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Speaker 1: dot com with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith in the

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Speaker 1: bet MGM studio and we are on our way to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana. It starts tomorrow, Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and so we're going to give you a little preview

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Speaker 1: of what some of the big topics are. First of all,

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Speaker 1: welcome and it's good to see you. I know you're

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Speaker 1: excited to go to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike, you know tis the season. It is combine time.

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Speaker 2: I am ready, I'm fired up. I can't wait to go.

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Speaker 2: But We've got to stop for a minute because i

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Speaker 2: want to do this preview and I'm very excited about

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Speaker 2: talking all things combine. Okay, but we have to talk

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Speaker 2: about social media first.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I saw you post a picture at ten Voice. If

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Speaker 2: you're not following Mike Keith on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Please follow and please follow.

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Speaker 2: I saw you posted a picture of you and Jim Nance.

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Speaker 2: A couple questions related to that one where in the world,

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Speaker 2: where you where you're hanging out with Jim Nance and

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Speaker 2: what do you talk to him about.

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Speaker 1: We were at a function for Pinnacle Financial Partners, and

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Speaker 1: I was taking that opportunity to congratulate him on one

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Speaker 1: of the great performances in sports broadcasting history in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl fifty eight. And here's why. Okay, the bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: you're calling the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: It's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Every play puts a pressure on you that you don't

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Speaker 1: have in the regular season. It's the same way for

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Speaker 1: announcers as it is for players or coaches. Every play

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Speaker 1: can take your breath away. In the regular season, it

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Speaker 1: becomes very obvious what the big moments are, and they

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Speaker 1: don't occur like every single instant. Something that happens in

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Speaker 1: the first quarter you don't jump up and down about

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Speaker 1: in the regular season in most cases, unless it's just

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Speaker 1: way off the level of spectacular. In the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it can be any play at any time. So you're

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Speaker 1: in this hyper focus that is just phenomenal. And then

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Speaker 1: you broadcast a game that has so many twists and

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Speaker 1: turns that Super Bowl had everything. You have longer commercial breaks,

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Speaker 1: which from a broadcaster standpoint, upsets your routine. You have

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Speaker 1: a much longer halftime, which I'm a broadcaster, standpoint, upset

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Speaker 1: your routine, and then guess what the game ends up

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Speaker 1: going over four hours. The beauty of the NFL and

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Speaker 1: why the NFL is so successful as a TV package

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Speaker 1: is because the games are right at three hours. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's perfect. Other sports are starting to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: Baseball has done that with the pitch clock, but the

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Speaker 1: NFL has that done well. The Super Bowl is naturally

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Speaker 1: going to be longer amy, I mean, you just understand

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Speaker 1: with the halftime show and all of that, and then

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Speaker 1: the game goes into overtime, second time ever crazy, and

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Speaker 1: then it goes into another overtime, and also you're playing

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Speaker 1: with new rules in postseason overtime for the first time, right,

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Speaker 1: Jim nance put on a masterclass of how you handle

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Speaker 1: all of those things. Keep the game in the road.

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Speaker 1: He kept Tony Romo in the road, and I thought

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Speaker 1: But that's a challenge. And then working in Tracy Wolfson,

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Speaker 1: He played point guard, he played shooting guard, he played

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Speaker 1: twenty three million people was the average viewership. At one

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Speaker 2: You know, for him, it's probably not very often that

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Speaker 2: opportunity to call, whether on TV or radio, right, a

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Speaker 2: that experience is like some of the challenges that he's navigating.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's a different medium, but it was probably

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Speaker 3: Than like, I've watched a lot of Super Bowls and

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Speaker 2: I mean, to be able to have a real, in

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Speaker 2: you're calling a game like that. I would bet that

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Speaker 2: that was a pretty special conversation for him.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was for me because I love the craft.

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Speaker 1: drives you crazy about Jim. If you're another broadcaster, is

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Speaker 1: he makes it look so easy.

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Speaker 1: And he's talking with you and he's throwing out certain

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Speaker 1: so well. Jim nance does the regular things in an

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Speaker 1: forty fourth anniversary of the Miracle on Ice, which Al

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Speaker 1: greatest play by play announcer in history, he's right at

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Speaker 1: was right on point with everything. It's amazing, phenomenal, and

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Speaker 1: His broadcast of Super Bowl fifty eight was a masterclass.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that everybody would understand that, who

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Speaker 1: have such respect for what he does. And my wife

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Speaker 1: Doing a game and that wasn't easy. I mean, we'll

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Speaker 2: And there were so many different ebbs and flows and

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Speaker 1: I've never had an experience in my life, not just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to have that experience.

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Speaker 1: let's preview the Combine, which starts tomorrow, it does on

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Speaker 1: the OTP. We will do that. Yes, thank you for

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Speaker 3: Well, Mike, I liked I was a little.

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Speaker 1: Proud of that picture.

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Speaker 3: I'll have to admit it was a great picture.

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Speaker 2: You guys looked very happy, and I like to live

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Speaker 3: So thank you well for that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: When you meet someone famous, we all win.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what we're going to do on the pre

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Speaker 1: Combine edition of the OTP is we are going to

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Speaker 3: Yes, get ready, and then there will.

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Speaker 1: Be OTP content that comes out of this combine that

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Speaker 1: because so many things happen, and as certain things become newsworthy,

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Speaker 3: It's a really good year.

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Speaker 1: And Titans fans are going.

440
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.

441
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing about this too. If there are

442
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: so many offensive tackles that are rated to go in

443
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: the first round, then wouldn't there be an offensive tackle

444
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: who would be really good at number thirty eight? Potentially?

445
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't that if you're the Titans, doesn't that open your

446
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: option to say, maybe we take that guy with that

447
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: high pick in round two, Yeah.

448
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: It definitely is a possibility. Coach Mack and Brian last

449
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: week on the OTP, if you' all listened, talked a

450
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Speaker 2: lot about this class. They disagree about it, right, They

451
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: had some disagreements about it and about who was.

452
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Speaker 3: Really the top guy. That was their issue.

453
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: There's about three or four who are like elite elite,

454
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: and that's where we had some discussion.

455
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: But if you have an O line.

456
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Speaker 3: Coach who's incredible, like.

457
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Speaker 1: Bill Callahan, Yeah, and his assistant is Scott Fuchs, who's

458
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: only a thirty year veteran O line coach who comes

459
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Speaker 1: in from Kansas to join Bill Callahan, do you not think, well,

460
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe we could do something different at seven and take

461
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman in the second round and coach him up.

462
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: I think these the numbers of quality offensive linemen actually

463
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: give the Titans options.

464
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, I think you're one hundred percent correct.

465
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: I think that.

466
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: The coaching aspect of it is a very interesting part

467
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: that I never thought about. I didn't think about ready.

468
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Rhett thinks the Titans definitely need this is what he said.

469
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: I've heard Coach Mac thinks you'll be able to get

470
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Speaker 1: somebody later who's very good, and he has total confidence

471
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Speaker 1: in the coaching staff. Rhtt thinks you take the pick

472
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Speaker 1: at seven as an offensive lineman and be done with it.

473
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Speaker 1: We will certainly discuss that more, and we'll probably taunt

474
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: them and pull it out of them, get them to argue.

475
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: I love that. That's good. On the OTP later this

476
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis, running back talk, lots of it, Derrick Henry,

477
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, Yes, Josh Jacobs, Tony Pollard, Austin Eckler. All

478
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: of those guys are interesting potential free agents. Yeah, free

479
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: agency doesn't start until March thirteenth.

480
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: Nope, We've got time.

481
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: But the thing that really makes their positions more interesting

482
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: is there is no feature back in this draft like

483
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson was last year. As a matter of fact,

484
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: there's no back in this draft who figures to go

485
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: in the top twenty five. Maybe it could be that

486
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: a back doesn't go until after fifty and then a

487
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: bunch could happen at once. Yeah, but who's the number

488
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: one running back?

489
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

490
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting to see, and I think

491
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: that this position group more than maybe any other except

492
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: for maybe quarterback, is going to be the most deeply

493
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: impacted by free agency because I think if you've got

494
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: to and you need somebody, where are you're gonna look?

495
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's free agency when in previous years you get

496
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: somebody in the draft because they're cheaper. Right with this

497
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: draft class of people, that idea might shift a little

498
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: bit and that could have a big impact. It's it's

499
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting year in running back world.

500
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: If you need help for twenty twenty four, where you're

501
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: gonna go right right, because it's a little it's a

502
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: little different year. Yeah, I think as we go to

503
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver and everybody loves wide receivers and corners are

504
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: always the most fascinating part to me of the combine.

505
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: They're the most fun to watch workout.

506
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: Well because what they do looks more to me, looks

507
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: more like football, yeah.

508
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: For them because they're like actually interacting with the football.

509
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: They're interact with the football. But the other thing too

510
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: is they run and they cut and they jump and

511
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: that's what they actually do in the games. Yeah, I

512
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: could give a flip how high and offensive guard verticals.

513
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: You don't want to watch the big guys.

514
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Job again, I mean, you're just sort of is it not.

515
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: The best part of the combine.

516
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: But Amy, your whole thing is you. You like I mean,

517
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: you love Ripley's Believe it or not and stuff like that.

518
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: You're that, You're that person you watch stupid petricks, stupid

519
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: human tricks. That's your that's your thing. I'm more I'm

520
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: about functionality and football, and you're about goofery in some

521
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: ways when it comes to that, it's true.

522
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: I want to see a giant human lift themselves off

523
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: the ground, Amy and arrive safely back at Earth.

524
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Speaker 3: I think that is the most athletic thing a human.

525
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: I would rather see how long their arms are and

526
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: how quick they are in certain drills. And but for

527
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: the wide receivers up and for the corners and maybe

528
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: even the safeties. As the game goes today, it's a

529
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: lot more all of those things. The measurables seem to

530
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: translate more than most positions.

531
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Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree with that.

532
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: The work outs that they are doing more accurately simulate

533
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: what you're going to see on Sunday.

534
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: Yes, offensive lineman typically.

535
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: But you like but you like to watch them jump

536
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: because you think it's funny.

537
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: I don't think it's funny. I think it's incredible. Okay,

538
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: it's amazing. It's athleticism that it's fine.

539
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean with some of them, it is athleticism, and

540
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: it's fine. With some of them, it's just not very.

541
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: Well some of them it's really bad. Well you like that,

542
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: God love admit it. I will never, okay, I will never.

543
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison is the number one wide receiver. He is

544
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. Yes, I think he's the best player

545
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: in the draft, regardless of position regard. I mean, if

546
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: you were picking number one based on that, he's number one.

547
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: But who's the number two wide receiver? Blak Neighbors lsu Romea, Dunzie, Washington,

548
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: or I give you another option, which I think is

549
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: really intriguing and I think is going to be one

550
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: of the stories of the combine as you not watch

551
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: the workouts but listen to the whispers. Is wide receiver

552
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: to actually Georgia tight end brock Bowers.

553
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

554
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: It is interesting because brock Bowers is such a phenomenal

555
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: tight end prospect with athleticism that is so unusual. I

556
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: just saw a clip this morning before I came in

557
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: here of Georgia handing him the ball in a game

558
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: against Vanderbilt earlier in his career and him running a

559
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: sweep amy he looks like a running back with the ball.

560
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so natural, and he's got shake, and

561
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: he's he uses his size well. And if you've watched

562
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: him play against really good teams, against really good competition,

563
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a difference maker. And does somebody

564
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: just say that's something that changes us dramatic even more

565
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: so than one of the receivers. And there are a

566
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: bunch of good ones. Yeah, but does he become that

567
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: second pass catcher better said, who is taken? Because he

568
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: is just such a weapon.

569
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: I think it's really possible that there is a team

570
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: that sees him on the board and goes I mean,

571
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: we've got to have that.

572
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean, throw out all of our needs and everything else.

573
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: We need that human because his skill set is so

574
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: outside the realm of what everybody else on the field

575
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: can do.

576
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: We need that in our lives.

577
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: So I think that there is definitely a possibility that

578
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: he goes higher than any other tight end would.

579
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: Because of what he's able to do.

580
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: But he may go higher than anybody thinks because somebody

581
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: covets the fact that he is so unusual in terms

582
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: of his skill set.

583
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: I think you're on now.

584
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he is not just another pass catching tight end,

585
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: but he's devastating on third down. He's devastating in the

586
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: red zone. He will block because of his athleticism. You

587
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: can line him up anywhere. I mean, in some ways,

588
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: he's almost the tight end dream of an offensive coordinator

589
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: in today's game, because he can stay on the field

590
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: in every situation. You can use him in every way,

591
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: and you can take other pieces because so many teams

592
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: like to play two and three tight ends. You can

593
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: take brock Bauers and you can put other players with

594
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: him who fit in different ways. And that's the great

595
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: thing because suddenly it improves your tight end core in

596
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: such a way that you're able to have more flexibility

597
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: roster wise too.

598
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a person that as soon as he steps

599
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: on the field, a defense has to acknowledge him and plan.

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00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Forg You just have to.

601
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: So then what can you do with all of the

602
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: other because this defense has to do something with him.

603
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: Let's play a little game I love, and you're going

604
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: to get to quiz me. Okay, all right, the four

605
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: teams who were in the Conference championship games. Would you

606
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: mind throwing them out one by one please? Detroit great

607
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: rookie tight end who was a difference maker. Okay, keep going.

608
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: San Francisco Hall of Fame tight end who was the

609
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: best in the game this year.

610
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: Kansas City Hall of.

611
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: Fame tight end who basically helped Patrick Mahomes win the

612
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for them. Baltimore, Baltimore, Mark Andrews perennial Pro

613
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Bowl tight end who has been the best friend of

614
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson throughout his career. He's been the one constant.

615
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: It's very interesting.

616
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: What do they all have. They have a tight end,

617
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: They all have devastating tight ends. They have playmakers, they

618
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: have game changers at that position, they have quarterbacks best

619
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: friends at that position. Wow, can you tell I love

620
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers, Mike.

621
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Speaker 3: That was a really good, little.

622
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, little demonstration.

623
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 3: That was pretty solid.

624
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: All right? Wow, Other Indianapolis. This has been fun? Right?

625
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Are you having a good time? What time is it out?

626
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: We've got to get in the We've got to get

627
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: in the car soon.

628
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: We haven't done this much.

629
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: We haven't feel good. It really does. Who comes out

630
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis as the top projected edge rusher. Does someone

631
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: do a Trayvon Walker performance where they go, how can

632
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: we not draft what is that? He's six four two

633
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: seventy five and he runs like a wide receiver and

634
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: he does do the vertical like he's a basketball player

635
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: and the three cones like.

636
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: It happens every year.

637
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: It happened. Yeah, but is it an edge rusher and

638
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: these these are like corners. Can't get enough of them?

639
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

640
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you listen, it will sound crazy,

641
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: but if the Titans filled enough needs throughout the course

642
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: of agency that they got there, and they had an

643
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: edge rusher rated the highest on their board at seven.

644
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: You always take him.

645
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean you just you can't get enough of them

646
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: because look at what's happened when they've had injuries over

647
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: the last few years. And the thing is drafting them

648
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: is so smart because once you have to pay them

649
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: in free agency, whether it's your own guy or somebody

650
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: else's got you overpay, yeah, because I mean it's an

651
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: integral part of every team. It's just like I can

652
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: give you the final four again in the NFL and

653
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: they have a devastating tight end, but all of them

654
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: have more than one edge rusher who can do it.

655
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: It's why San Francisco traded for Chase Young. Yeah is

656
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: and he didn't play that great in the regular season,

657
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: but then in the Super Bowl, particularly in the first half,

658
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: he was a dominant player well.

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Speaker 2: And just in every conversation we've heard about what this

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans defense is going.

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Speaker 3: To look like.

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Speaker 2: Right, the more edge rushers you can have who can

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Speaker 2: be quick and violent, aggressive, the better.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that happens, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's what they do.

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Speaker 3: But you can see it.

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Speaker 1: But you always have to keep it in mind, which

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Speaker 1: is why it's it's such a position of focus for

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Speaker 1: all thirty two NFL teams. So we mentioned does somebody

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Speaker 1: put on a combine performance through the roof? Laatu Latu

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Speaker 1: from UCLA was great at the Senior Bowl, how to

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Speaker 1: his medicals? Look? Is Alabama's Dallas Turner the man? The

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Speaker 1: guy I'm most interested to see. Florida State's Jared Verse,

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Speaker 1: who came from Albany and was the biggest transfer in

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Speaker 1: the portal two years ago, goes to Florida State and

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Speaker 1: just shows out. I want to see him. Does Jared

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Speaker 1: Verse put himself in another universe?

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Speaker 2: H oh that's enough for that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who builds the case to take their current projection

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Speaker 1: as a second round pick to a first round pick?

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Speaker 1: Is it some of the interior offensive lineman? Is it

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Speaker 1: some of the wide receivers who right now are being

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Speaker 1: mentioned as second round picks. They leave Indianapolis a projected

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Speaker 1: first round pick. That's always fascinating because there's always somebody

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, I mean, like kool Aid McKinstry from Alabama

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Speaker 1: who was mentioned as a top ten pick. Now for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, his status has fallen, and does he put

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Speaker 1: himself back in the discussion as the top corner that

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Speaker 1: would be picked or at least a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Those are the things that are the most interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch as the week goes on, and you know, they

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Speaker 2: go through processes that we can't see where they're doing

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Speaker 2: the interviews. Obviously, there's the medicals. There's the way in

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Speaker 2: all of these pieces start to fall into place, and

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Speaker 2: you see guys making money and you see guys losing money,

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Speaker 2: and it happens every year all the boards. You can

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Speaker 2: almost see it happening in real time. People moving up

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Speaker 2: and moving down, and that's just how the combine works.

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Speaker 2: And so It's going to be interesting to see as

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Speaker 2: we get people in interviews with coaches in meeting rooms

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Speaker 2: and be able to get on the board with different coaches,

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Speaker 2: and then obviously those medicals. Again, once all of those

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Speaker 2: pieces start to come together, we're gonna see some things

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Speaker 2: start to move up and down.

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Speaker 1: What players get the franchise tag that sometimes happens at

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Speaker 1: the combine, which is interesting. And then finally, will players

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Speaker 1: take the cognitive tests their agents are telling them not to?

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Speaker 2: Which is very interesting after what we saw with Yeah,

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Speaker 2: people saying that he didn't perform very well, and that

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Speaker 2: became a big topic of conversation. I can see why

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Speaker 2: an agent would be like, don't even touch it, don't

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Speaker 2: do it. I don't know how I feel about it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a fun little thing, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: deciding factor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at c J. Stroud.

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Speaker 2: Is it a deciding factor? Have you ever heard somebody

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Speaker 2: say didn't do great on the cognitive test?

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Speaker 3: Cut him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Really? Oh yeah, okay, well then yeah, if I'm an agent,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was certainly a big red flag with Vince Young. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: and then there was a dispute over you know, whether

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Speaker 1: the test had been administered properly or whether he had understood,

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly what the what the rules and so

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Speaker 1: forth were, and there was a big controversy with it,

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Speaker 1: and obviously there have been controversies at different times over

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Speaker 1: the years with guys who maybe don't understand because there

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Speaker 1: are different tests. It's like when you take the SAT

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Speaker 1: or the ACT.

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Speaker 3: There's different rules, there.

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Speaker 1: Are different strategies. Yeah, on one you guess, on the

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Speaker 1: other you don't. And there are strategies with the cognitive

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Speaker 1: tests as well, according to how they're prepared for these tests.

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Speaker 1: Do they get that wrong? And then do you ask

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Speaker 1: the question, well, if you don't understand the directions, that

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Speaker 1: is that another thing? So are they just better off

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Speaker 1: because then they also don't have to spend that time

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Speaker 1: preparing for the cognitive tests as part of their preparation

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Speaker 1: for the combine.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean it frees them up to run a

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Speaker 2: little faster, jump higher.

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Speaker 3: Jump higher.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine a world though, where Ryan Fitzpatrick did

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Speaker 2: not take the cognitive test? I mean, think of what

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Speaker 2: would we talk.

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Speaker 3: About about him?

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Speaker 2: He made forty nine, He did a great job in it,

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 1: His fellow Harvard man Pat mcinally, who ended up being

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Speaker 1: the punter for Cincinnati, made fifty. He made fifty out

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Speaker 1: of fifty. Yeah, but that was the wonder Like now

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Speaker 1: other tests are used.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are different, but it's the same kind of

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Speaker 2: standardized testing.

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Speaker 1: If you were a prospect, would you take it?

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Speaker 2: I think if I were advising myself, and if I

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Speaker 2: was not the prospector I was, if I was an agent,

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Speaker 2: I would say don't take it.

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Speaker 3: If it was myself. I'm a rule.

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Speaker 2: Follower by nature, and I think if someone told me

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Speaker 2: to take it, i'd take Well.

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Speaker 1: When did you become a rule follower?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I've been here a long time. I

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Speaker 3: kind of skirt the rules.

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Speaker 1: Now as you have your own rules.

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Speaker 2: Originally I was rule follower. Yeah, I wouldn't want anybody

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Speaker 2: to be mine. It's a job interview. I'm gonna do

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Speaker 2: whatever they asked me to do.

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Speaker 1: I think I would take it according to what position

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Speaker 1: I play. Yeah, if it was something that mattered specifically

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Speaker 1: to the position, I would probably do it. I was

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Speaker 1: an okay test taker. I can't say, you know, because

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Speaker 1: people say I'm as a bad test taker, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, generally those were the people didn't.

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Speaker 3: Study, right, that's why your best Yeah, that's why you're study.

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Speaker 1: That's why you're been ninety percent of the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: bad test takers didn't go to class. Well, yeah, ding ding.

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Speaker 1: But there are some people clearly who do take tests

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Speaker 1: better than others. I was okay, I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't my favorite thing to do, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: horrify me to the point that I froze, and that

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Speaker 1: I had a friend that that did happen. He would

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Speaker 1: study and everything, but he would freeze because he would

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Speaker 1: get so nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think is also something you don't want. That's

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Speaker 2: the thing about this time of.

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Speaker 1: Year, isn't it fun? Though?

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Speaker 3: Everything is a thing.

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Speaker 1: Everything's yeah, just like all this. So that's what that's

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Speaker 1: why we're going to the combine. I love it because

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Speaker 1: everything is a thing.

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Speaker 3: Everything's a thing.

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Speaker 1: Where people go to eat at night, and what happens

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Speaker 1: in the medicals and what we're going to hear about

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Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks. It's the most wonderful time of the year. Tagline,

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Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time of the year.

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Speaker 3: Oh twenty twentyfl combine where everything's a.

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Speaker 1: Thing where everything's a thing nice or twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: NFL combine the most wonderful time of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's taken by Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, but and here's the thing. That's why we're

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Speaker 1: going to do an OTP every single day. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow it'll be the head coach and the general manager,

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday we'll be talking about draft, and Thursday Coach

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Speaker 1: Mack will be on, and Friday Coach Mack will be on.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a full mac attack.

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Speaker 1: It's a macapaloosa. Yeah, so we're I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: going to be so much fun. So please subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the OTP anywhere you get your podcast. If this is

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Speaker 1: do a lot of fun stuff. We love doing these shows.

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Speaker 1: We love not sleeping. We love being there in all

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Speaker 1: the hooplaw, knee deep in the hooplaw.

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Speaker 3: Titans draft coverage, knee deep in the hoopslaw.

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Speaker 1: Start stolen that from Starships. We built this city, big

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Speaker 1: hit in the mid eighties before some people were born.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Uh, it really is fantastic and we're excited to

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Speaker 1: bring it to you. We appreciate all the people, the

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Speaker 1: OT people. We want more OT people, and uh, let's

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Speaker 1: make it happen. Let's let's get to Indianapolis. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it for Amie Wells. I'm Mike Keith. Thanking

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Speaker 1: you for joining us for the pre combined edition of.

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Speaker 3: The ot Pepe Titans draft coverage. Where everything's a thing.

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Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time of the year.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna workshop this. Welcome to the big show where

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Speaker 3: the Lenson's going ever boughty nose.

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