WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Neta Fornario 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.239 things we simply don't know the answer too well. Hold there, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.080 Welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.960 joined as always by Steve and de Yeah. So okay, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.080 we're gonna jump into another unsolved mystery. This we wait, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:39.520 we cover unsolved mysteries. I thought this was a cooking show. Yeah. Tonight, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.480 on Thinking Sideways, the podcast we discover why Steve can't 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.479 remember anything from his life. I was drapped on my 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.040 head a lot as a baby. For me, it's just 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.080 the booze and lack of sleep. What are we talking 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.440 about today? Today we are going to talk about the death, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.080 the mysterious death of Netta for Narreo. So they're looking 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:00.520 at a picture of a right here. This is what 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:01.920 you see on most of the web page is a 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.280 deal with this little mystery. Except that's not actually a 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.920 picture of her. That's a picture of somebody named Mona Mathers, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.160 who figures kind of in this story a little bit. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.640 But it's not Netta. It's not Netta now now it's Moena. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.200 Do we have a picture of Netta? No, I've not 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:18.760 been able to. I thought that that was Netta for 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.839 the longest time checking it out, but now it turns 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.960 out that's Moina Mathers. So we're talking about Netta but not. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.680 But yeah, I just wanted to let people know that 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.880 if you go check this out in the web and 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.680 you see this picture of this kind of good looking 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.319 woman with kind of wild she looks crazy. She's got 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.760 a bird's nest hair do. Yeah yeah, but she's still 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.240 she's still you kind of good looking, you know, but 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.479 spite the hair, yeah, despite the crazy hair. Well, So anyway, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.440 let's talk about Netta. Okay, so just a quick brief 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.040 intro summary here. In late summer nine, Netta four an 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.920 area thuring three years old, resident of London, England, left 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.280 London and traveled to the island of Iona and probably 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.760 mispronouncing that I think it's Iona, might be Ilana. I 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.760 think it's you know, it's in the Scottish Hebrides. It's 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.640 um anyway, it's it's one of those little bitty tiny 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.720 islands out there that's got a quint little village and 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.360 not much else. So anyway, yeah, a lot to that. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.600 She was planning an extended stay there. Uh. In late 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.799 November the same year, she went missing. After two days search, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.640 her naked body was discovered on top of a quote 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.000 very amount unquote because I'll talk about this a little later, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.520 but everybody believed that this island was like full of 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.360 ghosts and fairies and stuff like that. Well, it was 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.200 the twenties and you know Scotland. We've talked about this before. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.760 Oh yeah, she had she or somebody most likely her, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.200 had cut a large cross in the turf using a dagger, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.360 which was found near near her body, and laid down 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.519 on the dagger. She was not technically completely naked. She 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.800 had a very thin black cloak on her, but that 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.000 was it. And this is late November in the Scottish Hebrides, 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.000 so obviously it must have and really cold. Yeah. Yeah. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.280 Some accounts say that she was clutching some papers in 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.120 her hand, one of her hands letters of a mysterious 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.200 nature and but other accounts say that those letters were 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.080 found in your luggage back in her room. She was 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.600 staying with this lady named Mrs McMurray McRae. Uh. Some 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.920 say that blue lights were seeing in the vicinity of 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.400 her body, but of course there's more than more often 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.040 than not, there's blue lights in these mysteries. So yeah, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.600 I know, I know. And a strange man was supposedly 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:32.480 lurking nearby wearing a black cloak. Yeah stalker. Yeah, I know, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:38.000 the twins obviously. Yeah, maybe he was wearing her black cloak. Yeah. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.600 Any way, back to the start, So why didn't you 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.200 go to Iona. Iona's a very tiny island. It's about 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.600 a mile wide, about four miles long. You get to 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.600 it by taking a ferry from the Isle of Mole, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.600 which is to the east of it. You get to 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.119 the Isle of Mole by taking a ferry to there. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.680 Not an easy place I assume for this little journey. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.800 She probably had to take like a long train ride 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.640 and maybe then uh you know, a couple of ferry 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.840 rides at the like from London. It would have been 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.640 from London to the coast, right, yeah, and then on 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.040 a ferry and then likely another train across the island 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:16.440 or the bus or a car or something. And is 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.640 probably not a whole lot of car traffics. Probably most 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.080 of the community's done via train. Yeah yeah, yeah, that 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.640 that just doesn't sound like a quick and easy afternoon 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.760 johned Now, not someplace you go to the week go 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.400 for just the weekend or you just happen to be 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.000 at if you just happened to live in the Isle 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.720 of mold That it's a quick, easy, happy John from 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.160 London one of the ways. Anyway. The population that the 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.279 latest census count of the is a hundred and seventy 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.040 seven people. I assume it was fewer people back in 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.919 those days. The only town is called again I'm sorry 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.280 for the mispronunciation, but it's called bail Moore, but the 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.320 locals call it the village, Yeah, the village. The island 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.200 is also home to the Bay at the back of 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.560 the ocean, which is an oddly named bay for such 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:06.320 a backwater ionas has got a really interesting history. It's 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.760 and it actually the earliest structure found on the island 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.600 was constructed they guess about a hundred years previous to 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.920 Christ and it was what they call an iron age 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.680 hilltop fort was it was probably something that mainly was 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.080 like earthen earthen ramparts kind of thing, probably not as serious, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.960 but but so it's been inhabited for a long time. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.320 But in five sixty three a d A monk named Colomba, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.159 who later became sync Colomba, founded a monastery there. He 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.040 had been exiled to the island for various reasons that 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.360 I don't really need to get into, but if you 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:38.960 want to hear more about it, I can. I can 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.520 point you towards some links. And anyway, so he and 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.080 about a dozen other monks founded this monastery, and this 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.279 monastery turn as it turned out, would play a crucial 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.320 role in converting most of the UK to Christianity, and 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.920 the island became a center of a very important monastic system, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.839 and it would also be a major center of learning. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.440 And it's believed, although nobody knows for sure that the 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.479 Book of Kells was created there, or maybe at least 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.320 part of it was created there. They're not sure if 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.440 the Book of Kells was actually created in just one 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.680 place or in a number of places and assembled. They're 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.240 not refreshed my memory. What is the Book of Kells again? 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.560 Look Atkels is a very very heavily illuminated a series 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.520 of the Gospels. It's not all of the New Testament, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.960 but but some of it, and very elaborately illustrated. And 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.880 it came out of this region. Yeah, and so they're 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.359 not sure if it came out purely out of Iona 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.279 or not out of iona or just some pages if 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:30.960 it came out of this place. They don't really know 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.400 for sure it's it's but it's a very well known 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:39.000 historic Scottish book of the Bible. About yeah, illuminated version. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.640 Do I'm sorry, do we need to tell people what 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.080 illuminated means? And so if you don't know what illuminated 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.280 text is, it just means that it's been very elaborately 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.640 like embroidered and illustrated. You know, you see a lot 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.320 in like Italian kind of or like you know the yeah, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.960 actually Italian Catholic stuff, right, it's the like gold filigree 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.560 with like drawings along the sides and like with the 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.760 huge starting letters and drop caps or what they're called, yes, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.320 and the I think these are the kind of books 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.160 where it would take let's just I'm making up a number, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.200 but let's just say five months a month to make 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.000 all of the illustrations for one pain and they were 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.640 actually gold leafed and all of it and you had 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.280 to paint the gold on oh yeah, yeah no. And 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.520 if you don't know what one of those are, I mean, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:35.000 if if you just haven't seen one before, check they're 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.840 fantastic to to think that somebody sat there with an 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.240 ink pen and a brush to paint all that color 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:47.240 so painstakingly, and then to brush on liquid gold. Yeah, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.239 that's the amazing part. Diana was also a great place 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:52.800 to be for a while. It was the place to 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.440 be if you were royalty and you were dead, you 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:59.880 were looking for a place. Yeah. Apparently as of the 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.040 year fifty nine, they were sixty kings buried on the 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.640 island there because were they buried or interred, They were 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.640 interred and and and actually interred can me either being 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.840 buried or being put in a like a corrupt or 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.320 male often royalty. I don't know, it's my my impression 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.440 that often royalty is actually like interred in a masolem 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.520 or Yeah. Well, sometimes they would do the burial mound 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.000 where they would erect you know, they put everything in, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.040 They give you a little stone structure, and then they 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.840 would cover that in the big burial mounds. So I 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.160 think that's why it's kind of a gray area. Yeah. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.240 I think in this case they were buried in the 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.559 soil though, because the reason that they were buried there 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.720 is there was a belief that the soil of the 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.320 island was holy and that it would remove your sins 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.959 and cleansy so that you could enter heaven more cleanly. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.520 Really interesting. Yeah, and if your royalty and you spent 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.760 your entire life like in a scheming and you know, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.920 murdering your opponents in your competition, then you probably want 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.280 a little soul clansy before you enter heaven. But anyway, yes, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.400 there were forty eight Scottish kings ain't Norwegian kings and 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.080 four Irish kings buried there as of the year fifteen 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:09.320 forty nine. And it's even mentioned in Shakespeare's Macbeth tragedy. Yes, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.120 so yeah, there's a there's a reference to it in there, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.319 and it's the references about Duncan's body He's carried to 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.920 columb Kill and colm Kill means Columbus Island, which is 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.920 another word for Eona carried to colm Kill, the sacred 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:26.040 storehouse of his predecessors and guardian of their bones. So 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.800 even Eana. Really it was a happening spot. If it 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.480 made for such an IDEO, that's really surprising. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.319 And so I'm going into all this this travelog thing 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.240 because just as a trying to Yeah, yeah, it's kind 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.319 of fun and besides, which maybe explains from motivation because 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.760 exactly what why would a person might that be motivated 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.800 to ghost, you know, go live on this island. Diona 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.559 is also supposedly inhabited by ghosts, fairies, sea fairies and 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.920 all kinds of stuff like this. It's got a long 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.840 long list of legends about this about this place. So 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.680 Netta would find would have found that at active because 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.640 she was into the occult, in the astral projection and 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.640 stuff like that. She was a member of Alpha a Omega, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.160 which was an offshoot of the Hermetic Order of the 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.000 Golden Dawn, which is another cult group and I don't 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.880 know about at that time, but I know that, like modernly, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:22.320 Shakespeare's Scottish Tragedy is pretty well read and regarded in 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.240 terms of kind of occult ghost story stuff. I can 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.920 see how it would be a draw um for her 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.320 as an occult member, for any occult member really, I mean, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.680 if they if they were read in that sort of 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:41.200 shakespeare lore situation or I guess anymore, it seems yeah, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.559 these guys were and that they weren't just into Shakespeare. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.640 They had all sorts of like magical beliefs. There were 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.959 these things called the Secret Chiefs, which were like these 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.920 cosmic beings, beings that they believed that they had like 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.680 a direct phone line to cosmic chiefs. They're they're they're 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.320 called the Secret Chiefs, I think and to see. And 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.280 so these were cosmological beings that controlled a lot of 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.840 the chaos of the universe, and and they could be 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.640 communicated to according to the leaders of these of these cults, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.600 that they could communicate with these people. Uh so, the 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.640 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, it was in national 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.920 projections and all kinds of stuff. I had no reason 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.960 to believe that they were into like any of the 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.360 really ugly stuff like you know, human sacrifice and animal 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.600 sacrifice and all that stuff. I don't think they were. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.280 Um well now, and maybe I'm thinking of the wrong group, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.880 but I remember there was something that I read about 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.400 one of the one of the guys. It was a 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:43.520 founder I had asked for somebody to be buried alive 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.880 in front of some building that they had. That was 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.480 I believe that was say Colombu built as monastery. Yeah. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.120 I wasn't sure if I was getting it confused, because 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.160 I remember there was something about somebody needs to be 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.560 buried lying in front of this building. All. Yeah, that 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.520 was a friend of his friend volume and then they 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.080 know uncover his face so that he can say goodbye 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:11.400 to everybody, and he's obviously having second facity again. Up again. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.800 It's really weird, But yeah, is a weird sect of 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:21.920 Christianity people back in those days. I mean, I guess 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.520 life was a little cheaper back in those days, and 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.240 he didn't really need to He didn't really expect to 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.040 live beyond about at thirty five. So maybe this guy 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.680 figured out, what the hell, if I go out on 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.240 a high note like this, I'm gonna be sure to 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.079 get to heaven the whole. The Hermetic Order of the 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:41.280 Golden Dawn was founded by Samuel mathers uh the group 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.760 with attractive a fair followers ship. In the early nineteen hundreds, 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.840 there was a bit of a sex scandal and so 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.520 he lost some of his some of his temples, but 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.240 the ones that remained that remained loyal to him he 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:57.720 renamed the alphae Omega or in other words, Alpha and Omega, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.760 and then after he died in nineteen eighteen, he was 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.720 six seed in the leadership role by his widow, Moyna Mather's. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.880 Moyna Mather's is the one I showed you the picture 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:10.160 of the one, the one who appears on Yeah. So, um, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.280 Netta was a member of this particular sect or cult 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.680 or whatever. But she was just a member, right, Yeah, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.240 she wasn't, as far as I know, in any kind 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:22.200 of leadership role. Moya eventually succeeded in expelling someone named 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.040 Dionfortune from the Order. The Unfortune was a woman who 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.680 actually was friends with Netta for an area, but she 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.640 published some of the air some of the cult secrets. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.280 I believe it was in about two she actually published 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.560 some of those. And also it was rumored that Moyna 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.000 was jealous because her abilities to do things like astral 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.440 projection and stuff like that were superior to Moynas and 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.840 so she just didn't really like it like her, And 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.000 so she succeeded in getting her expelled from the Order, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.439 and Dion went on and joined some other cults and 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.360 you know, did pretty well with them and remained friends 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.600 with Netta for an area. Anyway, I'll talk about Moyna 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.079 and Dion later. So back to Netta. I haven't talked 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.200 about Netta much at all so far. We talked about 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.080 her for about a minute and a half and giving 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.079 a travelog and a history of this alpha and it's 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:18.880 all back story. It's very important stuff. It really pays. Yeah. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:23.000 Her full name was Nora Emily Aditha Fnario. Her nickname 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.320 was Netta, and I don't know Nora's nice. I don't 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.080 know about all four names. So she headed to the island, 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.520 and she, upon landing, found lodging with a lady called 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.200 Mrs McCray. And I had not been able to definitively 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.240 establish what Mrs mcgray's full name is, but that's okay, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.800 we don't need to know. She was Mrs McGray. I 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.480 seem a kindly old lady. Apparently they became friends at 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.080 Netta spent her day's wandering around the island and spent 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:52.080 her nights doing supernatural stuff like trances, astral projection, stuff 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.240 like that. So she spent some of her days sleeping. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.400 Probably did a little sleeping too. She also believed that 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.200 she could heal people with their psychic hours, and actually 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.280 sent a letter to her housekeeper in London. So she 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.720 still had her digs back in London, and she had 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.000 been in communication, but she in this letter she said 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.320 she wouldn't be sending any letters for a while because 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.920 she quote had a terrible case of healing unquote to 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.840 work on. I don't nobody knows what that means. It's 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.160 a little mysterious that she apparently was either healing herself 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:30.280 or healing somebody else. And it's a weird phrase. Yeah, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.160 it's not phrase. I think Netta was an odd person. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.760 I think I generally feel though, that I can get 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.160 into the minds of people in this kind of you know, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.840 new age. I've been there, right, Like we've all kind 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.000 of had that phase where we go through and we're like, well, yeah, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.440 projection and a tarot cards and all that stuff. I 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.320 don't know if you guys did I went through that phase. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.600 I didn't think it too seriously. I read what's his name, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:04.000 don Juan, Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the the guy who 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.560 wrote these books about how he went out to this 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:11.440 guy's yeah, and it was like Carlos Castanana. Yeah, Carlos Castanada, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.280 who it turns out, by the way, I was I 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.239 was going to do a little bit about Carlos Castanado 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.000 because he's an interesting guy of himself, because he was 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.640 the guy I really got into his books when I 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.080 was like, you know, eight nineteen years Yeah, that's exactly 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.600 what I did. Yeah, yeah, and you get into this 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.000 stuff and it turns out the guy was. The guy 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.040 was actually very very manipulative and ran a little cult 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.640 with a lot of little acolytes and stuff. The guy was, Yeah, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.200 the guy was, and he was a massive fraud. Oh yeah, 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.480 and like a drug addict and and like all of that. Notwithstanding, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.440 like you know, we've all kind of been through that phase. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:47.360 Maybe Steve, I guess hasn't been. But I generally feel 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.480 like I can get into this kind of like mindset, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.280 like I can at least understand it a little bit. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.120 But you know, the what is it a terrible case 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.440 of healing like that. She was like a little out 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.640 of my realm of being able to understand what's going 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:08.360 on there. Yeah, she's so. Nedda was either very gifted 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.160 in the psychic manner or she was a bit unbalanced. Yeah, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.600 it could be, but she is. It's it's really kind 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:17.920 of hard to say. It's kind of a kind of 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.399 a head scratcher, but apparently her friend Dion believed that 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.879 she was psychically well, psychically gifted, very gifted in it. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.119 She also she also told her landlady Mrs McGray that 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.000 she sometimes went in to trances and said it at 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.800 one time she had gone into a trance that lasted 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.560 for a week. What I'm sharing, Mrs McGray found a 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.240 little weird, but she she told Mrs McGray that she 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.080 shouldn't worry if if she wanted to a trance, and 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.280 she shouldn't call a doctor, she should just let it pass. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.240 But she apparently never wanted any major trances while she 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.520 was staying there with Mrs McRae. On the morning of 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.719 November seventeenth, which was a Sunday, Uh, Nedda started packing 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.760 her luggage frantically. When Mrs McGray found her, she told 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.400 Mrs McGray that she needed to return to London right 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.480 away because several in viduals, she said, we're attacking her telepathically. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:08.680 This has been Gray was a little skeptical about this obviously, yeah, yeah, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.440 but and then but but then she did notice something odd, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.000 which is that she and again you don't know if 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.280 this was inserted into the legend after the fact or what. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.720 Supposedly though, she noticed that Neda's shiny silver jewelry had 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.000 basically tarnished black like overnight. And now some people, some 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.040 people have metabolisms and skin discretions such that they do 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.119 actually tarnish silver, and that well, yeah, it does happen. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.240 Doesn't happen overnight? I cannot think of because I looked 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.520 this up to try and find out what causes that, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.800 and it's something Casa doses and I can't think of 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.879 what it is, but it is. It's acidic, you know, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:50.200 it's it's acidic sweat basically. And I can tell you 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.040 as somebody who has something at least a minor Kate, 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.960 I don't know how long does it take to turn 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.600 bright silver black. I don't think I've ever turned to black. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.760 I mean I always stopped wearing it. It might have 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.600 been an exaggeration, you know. I'll wear like a sterling 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.640 silver necklace or a ring or something like that fairly constantly, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.160 and it takes, you know, a month or two. Yeah, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.639 it's really seriously tarnished. I think that maybe what happened 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.640 here is that when she first met Netta fresh off 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.240 the boat or silver was shiny and then and she 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.080 just remembered it and being shiny, didn't remember it, didn't 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.000 notice that much after that. You know, you're living in 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.879 a kind of cold neighborhood. Yeah, under your shirt. Yeah, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.399 it's a cold neighborhood. And it's like, yes, it probably 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.080 didn't turn black. Ye, I didn't turn dark overnight, and 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.720 it probably wasn't actually black. It was probably just darkened. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.159 It's very tarnish. Yeah, although you know, I've got to 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.960 admit that silver does if you let it to get 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:49.560 exposed to elements, it will eventually get black. Oh yeah, 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.199 I found a quarter recently. I mean, this is this 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.359 is a weird little little segue to it. But I 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.960 was wandering on a beach and looked down and went, hey, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.200 that's not a rock and picked up what turned out 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.439 to be a quarter from So it's pure silver, and 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.480 it was pitch black because it had been in the 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.440 water for a while and it had just continued to 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.520 tarnish and tarnish and tarnish, and to the point that 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:16.840 I had to rub on the front of the face 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.880 with my finger for a minute to get the tarnish 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:20.439 to go off enough to be able to read it, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.320 because it just it does happen, but it takes a 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.320 while for things to turn that black. But yeah, no, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:30.320 it does not overnight. So it would either be a 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:37.680 lie or super paranormal, right that everything turned black overnight. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.240 They don't know that it would be a lie. I 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.560 wouldn't call it a lie. I would call that a 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:49.040 lapse in observation. Yeah, and she didn't. Necessarily, she might 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:50.840 have said, you know, I noticed at that point that 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.360 her silver Chris effects are on her neck and turn 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.800 turned really dark. And it didn't say the word overnight. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.320 And then somebody else like sort of interpreted it that way. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:04.240 But as happens, things get inserted shocking. Yeah, so she 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:05.639 and she might have said something. In the US, she 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.320 was probably being questioned by the local authorities whoever they were, 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.480 always said, did you notice anything odd about her appearance? 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:11.919 She would have said, well, you know, I did notice 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.600 that their silver cross it kind of turned dark. And 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.560 in a very religious community, that would be if you're 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.400 very strong, your faith and everything is based upon that, 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.480 that would be the kind of observation you would think 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.920 was important to bring forward, especially if she's doing these 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.040 and I don't I'm not gonna sound like I'm ripping 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.959 on her, but these kookie things at night that I 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:39.000 don't understand. In other words, her trances up all night 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.960 doing who knows what it's like. He's like, wow, that 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.800