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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm Peter

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Speaker 1: Schreeger recording this on a Monday, November sixth, and I've

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Speaker 1: got my lovely producer, Aaron wan Kaufman here, Aerin. I

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Speaker 1: thought yesterday, with four games that were kind of billed

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Speaker 1: And yet what happens when you do that, when you

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Speaker 1: hype certain games, you get these other sneaky ones. And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start this podcast off by talking about

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Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs and the Minnesota Vikings and what an amazing

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Speaker 1: story that is. I'm personally close to this. Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 1: and I have become friendly over the years. He was

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Speaker 1: a Tennessee quarterback and then he obviously goes to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Steevens is the third stream quarter record as well, like

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Speaker 1: those beloved guys in the league. But why I have

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Speaker 1: a connection to Dobbs. He did this thing where he

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Speaker 1: did an externship with NASA and it was in the

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Speaker 1: off season a couple of years back where he was

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Speaker 1: in I think an aeroscience major or arow is that

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Speaker 1: even a thing?

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Speaker 2: Aaron aeroscience?

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Speaker 1: Is that? I think aeroscience engineering major in college. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: clearly this was not my forte And in our off

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Speaker 1: season shows for Good Morning Football, it's like, who's doing

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Speaker 1: something cool this offseason in the world of football?

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Speaker 2: Who wants to come on as a guest? And Josh

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Speaker 2: Dobbs came on.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was a summer of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: then he and I struck up a friendship over text

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Speaker 1: and like always just wish Josh Dobbs well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Cleveland. Then he goes to last

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Speaker 1: year on like short day notice, like maybe like a

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Speaker 1: random like fifteen days like heads up. He goes to

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Speaker 1: you know this dude, like good for him, Like Josh Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Then this year, with eight days you know,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and a couple of weeks later, he's beating

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys in a game, and we had this really

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Speaker 1: funny moment on the show where he was like, Dobbs

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Speaker 1: all the different team jerseys, and he did a little

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Speaker 1: Instagram video where he's like, I can't even get my

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Speaker 1: own jersey. They don't sell my own jersey. I'm the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback of the team. They don't steal a Dobbs jersey.

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Speaker 1: And we had such a fun time with that, And

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Speaker 1: then I reached out to Mark Dalton, who's the PR

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Speaker 1: to get me a Dobbs when you start selling those

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Speaker 1: Dobs jerseys. Sure enough, Mark gets it to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: past few weeks, almost as a goof, but also because

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline day that you know, the the Vikings

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Speaker 1: McCoy Culte. McCoy had played for Kevin O'Connell for three

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Speaker 1: years in Washington. He's a free agent. I thought that

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Speaker 1: I don't send a note to Dobbs. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine the whorld winning this guy. As

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Speaker 1: Jaren Hall, who's a fifth round pick and has been

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Speaker 1: what mighte be? Like? The second drive runs around like

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Speaker 2: Right away, oh, we got Dobs. Has the play? Tops

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Speaker 2: has the play? Now? I know Dobbs just got there.

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Speaker 1: Now everyone who's listening might say, yeah, well, Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 2: Here's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield got there on a Tuesday to the Rams

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Speaker 2: Baker was there all night with McVeigh. Josh Dobbs not

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Speaker 1: Jaron Hall this week took the number one snaps. He

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines and he's practicing the cadence with Garrett Bradberry,

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Speaker 1: I was amazed by this watching this and then he

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Speaker 1: goes out there, Aaron.

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Speaker 2: He was awesome. He was awesome. This is against the

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Speaker 1: It's against Arthur Smith coached offensive was hum and also

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Speaker 2: And it also was on the road, so you're dealing

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Speaker 1: He had never taken a snap with any of these players,

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Speaker 1: and sure enough. On a fourth and seven, wiggles out

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Speaker 1: to Powell. The Josh Doabs stuff is incredible. More and

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Speaker 1: more stuff keeps on trickling out. I want to say

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Speaker 1: it was Kevin Seffert from ESPN had a couple of

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Speaker 1: it with with Kevin O'Connell. I called O'Connell yesterday. We spoke.

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Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable because as the game is going,

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Speaker 1: what we did was for Josh to keep it simple.

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Speaker 1: like I am so blown away by what Josh did.

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Speaker 2: Josh Jobs did yesterday. And then here's the crazy part.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Vikings are five and four, and they're looking

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Speaker 2: Who's team? Who's that six? There's seventh? You know?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go through it, Aaron. You got Cowboys and Eagles, right,

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Speaker 2: There's a seventh spot sitting there. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be who the Buccaneers, the Falcons. Who's beat

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Speaker 1: the Falcons? The Buccaneers, I don't know. Panthers aren't doing it,

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Speaker 1: Giants are done, Commanders.

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Speaker 3: Mike's selling players off at the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I mean this Vikings team could be really, really fun.

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Speaker 1: And Josh Jobs is a heck of a story. The

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Speaker 1: other story I want to talk about is the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: So again, we were piping up the Chiefs, Dolphins into Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: There's no reason to talk about the other games. They're

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Speaker 2: What a story that is.

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Speaker 1: You saw the Jay Glazer report that you know, in

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Speaker 2: Building it up. He gets fired. But also Mick Lombardi,

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Speaker 1: Listen to Mike Lombardi, who's on a lot of these podcasts,

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Speaker 1: does a GM shuffle couse that's his son, Mike, Mick Lombardi.

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Speaker 1: He was a Belichick for years. He gets fired also,

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Speaker 1: dancing in the locker room and Antonio Pearce, who's rocking

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Speaker 1: two earrings, and I said, I'm good morning football. Think

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Speaker 1: it's the first head coach in NFL history to wear

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Speaker 1: DeVonta Adams nodding, smiling, like gosh, it was like a

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Speaker 1: I like Josh McDaniels. I don't play for Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: I'm a media guy and Josh mctaniels has always been

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Speaker 1: And now suddenly they're alive. They're four and five, they're

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Speaker 1: I look around the league and it's it's it's every

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Speaker 1: week is different story. Because I was ready to come

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Speaker 1: in and Aaron, I mean, like, we talked Seattle two

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Speaker 1: got the doors on off them. We talked the Niners

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Speaker 2: Did you watch any of that game? Oh yeah, Houston Texans.

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Speaker 2: Not only did c J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud though for four seventy and five touchdowns, the most

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Speaker 1: is wide open. I would say my Super Bowl pick

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Speaker 1: it as good as the Eagles. Look, Aaron, what was yours?

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Speaker 3: Google Google Squeeze. You have the Max Crosby Squeeze Mates.

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Speaker 2: Nothing? You collect them?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh great, all right, all the promo codes

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Speaker 1: Now, he's a picky eater, my son mel He'll eat

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Speaker 2: Steak dinner. Kids had steak one time in his life.

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Speaker 2: He claims he hated it. We don't force it. I

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Speaker 3: Yes, sign me up for that bet.

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Speaker 1: So sure enough, game's going on. I'm texting my wife.

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Speaker 2: Like in my head, like it's like a fantasy land.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna take him to like Peter Lueger tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: Me and my son wearing Chiefs and Dolphins logos. End

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Speaker 1: I will keep you up there, and I know everyone

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Speaker 2: My son, Mel was a slice of pizza.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the season with Peter Schreger.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Peter, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: I love having you on. I've been trying to get

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Speaker 1: Let me and you did me the favorite to come

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Speaker 2: You have c J.

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Speaker 6: I think when you get home at night, you kind

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00:19:15,346 --> 00:19:17,866
Speaker 6: of reflect and part of you know, a lot of

435
00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:20,106
Speaker 6: coaches my process to go back through the game, kind

436
00:19:20,106 --> 00:19:22,426
Speaker 6: of watch all three phases, kind of see some of

437
00:19:22,466 --> 00:19:24,306
Speaker 6: the things that we did well, what are some areas

438
00:19:24,346 --> 00:19:25,986
Speaker 6: that we can improve, whether some of the things that

439
00:19:26,066 --> 00:19:29,386
Speaker 6: popped up, and that game there was an ab and

440
00:19:29,426 --> 00:19:31,466
Speaker 6: flow to it. First half we probably didn't play as

441
00:19:31,506 --> 00:19:34,026
Speaker 6: well as we either wanted to, kind of got off

442
00:19:34,066 --> 00:19:36,586
Speaker 6: to a slow start, put ourselves a little bit of

443
00:19:36,626 --> 00:19:36,986
Speaker 6: a hole.

444
00:19:37,546 --> 00:19:39,386
Speaker 5: But in the second half we held into.

445
00:19:39,266 --> 00:19:41,346
Speaker 6: The field goal and then we were able to go

446
00:19:41,386 --> 00:19:43,706
Speaker 6: down and scoring get some points and then it was

447
00:19:43,786 --> 00:19:45,626
Speaker 6: kind of back and forth here till the end. And

448
00:19:46,506 --> 00:19:48,546
Speaker 6: in the end, it's about players making plays. So this

449
00:19:48,626 --> 00:19:51,066
Speaker 6: is a player's game. It's about the players when they're

450
00:19:51,106 --> 00:19:53,666
Speaker 6: on the field, and our players fought. The one thing

451
00:19:53,666 --> 00:19:55,746
Speaker 6: about this team, and I think it starts with Demiko

452
00:19:55,826 --> 00:19:58,826
Speaker 6: and his thought process and mindset is we're going to

453
00:19:58,866 --> 00:20:01,426
Speaker 6: battle to the end and we're gonna do everything in

454
00:20:01,426 --> 00:20:03,666
Speaker 6: our power to try to give ourselves an opportunity.

455
00:20:04,466 --> 00:20:06,346
Speaker 5: And we talked about it at halftime a little.

456
00:20:06,666 --> 00:20:09,426
Speaker 6: I mean, for as badly as we had played, it

457
00:20:09,466 --> 00:20:13,226
Speaker 6: was a one score game, so let's just for all

458
00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:15,946
Speaker 6: the things that have happened, kind of erased that and

459
00:20:16,146 --> 00:20:17,466
Speaker 6: let's get ready for the second half.

460
00:20:17,506 --> 00:20:18,626
Speaker 5: It's a one score game.

461
00:20:19,226 --> 00:20:21,666
Speaker 6: So we kind of kept chipping away, and you know,

462
00:20:21,706 --> 00:20:25,346
Speaker 6: those last couple series there, we scored. Dari makes the

463
00:20:25,346 --> 00:20:27,946
Speaker 6: field goal, which was interesting. It was a discussion. He

464
00:20:28,026 --> 00:20:30,786
Speaker 6: hadn't practiced that, but we were kind of looking at

465
00:20:30,786 --> 00:20:34,146
Speaker 6: it as points were probably at a premium, So Tamiko

466
00:20:34,226 --> 00:20:36,586
Speaker 6: and Frank talked about it and made a decision to

467
00:20:36,626 --> 00:20:38,226
Speaker 6: go ahead and kick a field goal and then went

468
00:20:38,306 --> 00:20:40,586
Speaker 6: up three. Then they scored and we got the ball

469
00:20:40,626 --> 00:20:42,746
Speaker 6: back and we were able to capitalize there at the end.

470
00:20:42,826 --> 00:20:47,226
Speaker 6: So there's certainly an emotional aspect to the game that's involved,

471
00:20:47,226 --> 00:20:49,386
Speaker 6: but you have to decompress at night and then come

472
00:20:49,426 --> 00:20:52,066
Speaker 6: in this morning. The coaches will go through the film

473
00:20:52,226 --> 00:20:55,746
Speaker 6: and the reality is we're it's Dono Cincinnati. I mean,

474
00:20:55,746 --> 00:20:58,146
Speaker 6: we're getting ready for Cincinnati against good football team next Sunday.

475
00:20:58,346 --> 00:21:00,426
Speaker 2: That's interesting. On to Cincinnati, you've heard that one from

476
00:21:02,186 --> 00:21:05,066
Speaker 2: that works. Let's go back to like.

477
00:21:05,466 --> 00:21:08,866
Speaker 1: January, February March, and the Texans are in this really

478
00:21:08,866 --> 00:21:13,706
Speaker 1: interesting time where you've got two picks in the first round,

479
00:21:13,746 --> 00:21:16,826
Speaker 1: you've got a void at quarterback, or at least we

480
00:21:16,906 --> 00:21:18,466
Speaker 1: thought so. I mean, there's a lot of rumors that

481
00:21:18,506 --> 00:21:20,626
Speaker 1: you guys might take a defensive player and no quarterback,

482
00:21:21,226 --> 00:21:22,746
Speaker 1: and you work out c J.

483
00:21:22,946 --> 00:21:23,386
Speaker 2: Stroud.

484
00:21:23,506 --> 00:21:26,586
Speaker 1: Now that it's you know, coming into fruition and he's

485
00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:28,346
Speaker 1: having one of the greatest seasons we've ever seen from

486
00:21:28,346 --> 00:21:31,586
Speaker 1: a quarterback as a rookie. What was the pre draft

487
00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:33,546
Speaker 1: process with Cj? When did you fall in love with him?

488
00:21:33,546 --> 00:21:35,226
Speaker 1: And when did you know that finally after a couple

489
00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:37,426
Speaker 1: of years of not taking a quarterback on the front

490
00:21:37,426 --> 00:21:39,226
Speaker 1: of the draft, this was the year and this is

491
00:21:39,266 --> 00:21:39,586
Speaker 1: the guy.

492
00:21:40,546 --> 00:21:42,946
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were positioned fairly well, as you alluded to,

493
00:21:43,106 --> 00:21:45,866
Speaker 6: with two and twelve kind of going into the draft,

494
00:21:45,906 --> 00:21:47,386
Speaker 6: so we knew we were going to have either a

495
00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:50,706
Speaker 6: some flexibility or hopefully we're able to get some good

496
00:21:50,706 --> 00:21:53,386
Speaker 6: players there at the top of the draft, we were

497
00:21:53,426 --> 00:21:55,586
Speaker 6: pretty confident that we were going to pick somewhere in

498
00:21:55,626 --> 00:21:56,106
Speaker 6: the top ten.

499
00:21:56,186 --> 00:21:58,626
Speaker 5: However, when whether we moved back or we moved up,

500
00:21:59,146 --> 00:21:59,826
Speaker 5: and you know.

501
00:21:59,786 --> 00:22:02,986
Speaker 6: Once the season was over, you know, we had done

502
00:22:03,146 --> 00:22:05,226
Speaker 6: quite a bit of work here as a scouting staff.

503
00:22:05,226 --> 00:22:07,026
Speaker 6: It's say lip in the college scout staff do an

504
00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:10,666
Speaker 6: unbelievable job during the fall accumulating information. And once you

505
00:22:10,786 --> 00:22:14,666
Speaker 6: really the line of demarcation is once the juniors underclassmen

506
00:22:14,706 --> 00:22:16,746
Speaker 6: actually declare, then you kind of know the pool of

507
00:22:16,746 --> 00:22:19,306
Speaker 6: players that's going to be available. And those are the

508
00:22:19,346 --> 00:22:21,466
Speaker 6: groups of people and players that you really have to

509
00:22:21,466 --> 00:22:24,906
Speaker 6: spend the most time on or with because sometimes you

510
00:22:24,946 --> 00:22:28,426
Speaker 6: have the least amount of information. But we had gone

511
00:22:28,426 --> 00:22:32,426
Speaker 6: through the quarterback group pretty extensively. You know, I think

512
00:22:32,466 --> 00:22:34,666
Speaker 6: it kind of separated itself there. There was kind of

513
00:22:34,666 --> 00:22:36,386
Speaker 6: a couple of groups of players. There was probably a

514
00:22:36,386 --> 00:22:39,106
Speaker 6: handful in one kind of category. Then there was a

515
00:22:39,146 --> 00:22:44,186
Speaker 6: tier below that we really went through every player, whether

516
00:22:44,226 --> 00:22:48,386
Speaker 6: it was an all star game combine thirty man visits,

517
00:22:49,146 --> 00:22:51,106
Speaker 6: I want to say we had I don't know, however

518
00:22:51,146 --> 00:22:53,386
Speaker 6: many it was a handful of quarterbacks in our building

519
00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:56,386
Speaker 6: is a part of our it's part of our process.

520
00:22:56,586 --> 00:22:57,746
Speaker 5: And then the zoom calls.

521
00:22:57,866 --> 00:23:00,386
Speaker 6: So you're just trying to accumulate as much information as

522
00:23:00,426 --> 00:23:02,906
Speaker 6: possible as many and give them different angles. Maybe you

523
00:23:02,986 --> 00:23:05,746
Speaker 6: feed them some information, see how they absorb it, then

524
00:23:05,826 --> 00:23:08,586
Speaker 6: follow up. Okay, we talked about this a little bit earlier.

525
00:23:08,786 --> 00:23:11,986
Speaker 6: See what their recall was. I think the most important

526
00:23:11,986 --> 00:23:15,506
Speaker 6: thing is with any player is they just have to

527
00:23:15,506 --> 00:23:18,466
Speaker 6: be who they are. So whatever their personality is, you

528
00:23:18,586 --> 00:23:21,666
Speaker 6: just want to see a consistency at every checkpoint from

529
00:23:21,946 --> 00:23:24,986
Speaker 6: whatever interaction you had, whether it's in the school, whether

530
00:23:25,026 --> 00:23:27,866
Speaker 6: it's at the combine, whether it's with one coaches, he

531
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,146
Speaker 6: act the same way with one staff member as he

532
00:23:30,186 --> 00:23:33,226
Speaker 6: does with another staff member, because you would be surprised

533
00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:35,906
Speaker 6: at times you find some gaps or they say one

534
00:23:35,906 --> 00:23:38,626
Speaker 6: thing to one person and then they say another thing

535
00:23:38,706 --> 00:23:39,746
Speaker 6: and you're like, wait a minute.

536
00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:42,706
Speaker 1: Let's like in the movies where it's like that he

537
00:23:42,786 --> 00:23:45,746
Speaker 1: treated the cafeteria people poorly, like that kind of stuff.

538
00:23:46,186 --> 00:23:47,026
Speaker 5: In some respects.

539
00:23:47,106 --> 00:23:49,906
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even you know, whether they make a commentary

540
00:23:49,986 --> 00:23:52,986
Speaker 6: about something or their persona or their attitude, or how

541
00:23:52,986 --> 00:23:56,186
Speaker 6: they interact with other players that are in the building.

542
00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:58,186
Speaker 6: On the day, we usually bring in I don't know,

543
00:23:58,226 --> 00:24:00,466
Speaker 6: four or five players or groups of players in on

544
00:24:00,506 --> 00:24:03,946
Speaker 6: one particular day. We have a pretty extensive process from

545
00:24:03,986 --> 00:24:05,866
Speaker 6: the time that they walk in the building to they

546
00:24:05,946 --> 00:24:08,826
Speaker 6: meet with the entire group, and then we reconvene at

547
00:24:08,866 --> 00:24:11,146
Speaker 6: the end of the day and kind of recalibrate what

548
00:24:11,186 --> 00:24:14,186
Speaker 6: are our collective observations. You really get input whether it's

549
00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:20,746
Speaker 6: a strength and conditioning coach, position coach, offensive coordinator, player development, scouting,

550
00:24:21,146 --> 00:24:27,146
Speaker 6: training staff, medical, You're looking for consistency and behavior across

551
00:24:27,186 --> 00:24:28,626
Speaker 6: I would say the different areas.

552
00:24:28,866 --> 00:24:31,066
Speaker 5: So it's a pretty rigorous day.

553
00:24:31,506 --> 00:24:33,586
Speaker 6: We're not on the you know, let's bring them in

554
00:24:33,626 --> 00:24:36,706
Speaker 6: and bring him to a steakhouse like Yeah. In the end,

555
00:24:37,586 --> 00:24:40,266
Speaker 6: you're trying to simulate as much as possible. What is

556
00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:42,106
Speaker 6: it going to be like in the building on a

557
00:24:42,146 --> 00:24:44,186
Speaker 6: day to day basis when you're around these people when

558
00:24:44,346 --> 00:24:46,266
Speaker 6: in the end it's about football. There's nothing else they

559
00:24:46,306 --> 00:24:49,546
Speaker 6: have to worry about. This is their primary focus, and

560
00:24:49,666 --> 00:24:51,946
Speaker 6: some can handle that better than others. So I would

561
00:24:51,946 --> 00:24:54,746
Speaker 6: say as we work through that process, things start to

562
00:24:54,786 --> 00:24:58,146
Speaker 6: declare themselves there a little bit, you know, specific to CJ.

563
00:24:58,386 --> 00:25:00,826
Speaker 6: I mean, I think his personality. You feel it, you

564
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:02,786
Speaker 6: feel his presence when you're in the room with them.

565
00:25:03,226 --> 00:25:06,346
Speaker 6: There's a confidence, there's a competitiveness, there's an edge and

566
00:25:06,506 --> 00:25:09,426
Speaker 6: a good way of what you want and he has

567
00:25:09,466 --> 00:25:12,746
Speaker 6: I would say, he's It's that balance of confidence in humility,

568
00:25:12,866 --> 00:25:15,346
Speaker 6: like you believe in yourself, but you also have to

569
00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:17,306
Speaker 6: make sure that there are times when you take a

570
00:25:17,306 --> 00:25:19,906
Speaker 6: step back and you know, you put your ego aside.

571
00:25:20,026 --> 00:25:23,666
Speaker 6: So I'd say by the time we got to April,

572
00:25:23,906 --> 00:25:25,866
Speaker 6: we kind of had an idea and then really the.

573
00:25:25,906 --> 00:25:27,106
Speaker 5: Draft is about positioning.

574
00:25:27,346 --> 00:25:30,506
Speaker 6: So really those last couple of weeks in April, you're

575
00:25:30,546 --> 00:25:33,386
Speaker 6: having dialogue, you're looking at your options, you're getting more information.

576
00:25:33,706 --> 00:25:37,066
Speaker 6: Let's say, you know, we did pretty extensive work and

577
00:25:37,226 --> 00:25:39,586
Speaker 6: just kind of go back and just check and double check.

578
00:25:39,666 --> 00:25:40,706
Speaker 5: And part of the.

579
00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:44,626
Speaker 6: You know, part of this process is finding the right

580
00:25:44,666 --> 00:25:47,346
Speaker 6: people to talk to that give you the true representation

581
00:25:47,506 --> 00:25:49,266
Speaker 6: of really what you're going to get, you know, because

582
00:25:49,266 --> 00:25:51,506
Speaker 6: then they can bottom line it for you and say, look,

583
00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:53,026
Speaker 6: in the end, here are the things that are important,

584
00:25:53,026 --> 00:25:54,506
Speaker 6: and each player is going to be a little bit different.

585
00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:55,866
Speaker 5: So a lot of.

586
00:25:55,826 --> 00:25:59,426
Speaker 6: Discussions, a lot of dialogue, and we felt confident by

587
00:25:59,426 --> 00:26:02,306
Speaker 6: the end, and you know, we really didn't know where

588
00:26:02,706 --> 00:26:05,546
Speaker 6: or how things were gonna unfold on draft day.

589
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:09,546
Speaker 5: You know, I know Demiko and I you know, we've talked.

590
00:26:09,666 --> 00:26:10,506
Speaker 5: We talk every day.

591
00:26:10,706 --> 00:26:13,746
Speaker 6: I'd say during that time, I mean we talked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

592
00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:16,466
Speaker 6: went through scenarios, Hey, what are some different options, and

593
00:26:16,546 --> 00:26:18,146
Speaker 6: he was great. And then I'd say by the end,

594
00:26:18,146 --> 00:26:20,746
Speaker 6: we certainly had conviction. And then you know, when it

595
00:26:20,786 --> 00:26:22,626
Speaker 6: came time to make the selection, then we you know,

596
00:26:22,626 --> 00:26:24,586
Speaker 6: went ahead and did what we felt made the most

597
00:26:24,586 --> 00:26:27,586
Speaker 6: sense for our organization. So it was pick and then

598
00:26:27,706 --> 00:26:30,506
Speaker 6: you know, we were able to consummate the trade there

599
00:26:30,586 --> 00:26:33,186
Speaker 6: with Mani and move up to three and then pick

600
00:26:33,226 --> 00:26:33,906
Speaker 6: both players.

601
00:26:33,906 --> 00:26:35,386
Speaker 5: And you know, here we are.

602
00:26:35,586 --> 00:26:38,146
Speaker 1: Go back into your shoes because in the media, in

603
00:26:38,186 --> 00:26:41,346
Speaker 1: my world, it was understood that Bryce Young was probably

604
00:26:41,386 --> 00:26:43,386
Speaker 1: going one, and then there were stories that you guys

605
00:26:43,386 --> 00:26:45,586
Speaker 1: were going to take Tyree Wilson out of Texas Tech.

606
00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:49,226
Speaker 1: Then there was stories that you're gonna take Will Anderson second. Overall,

607
00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:51,906
Speaker 1: then there was the S two cognition test stuff that

608
00:26:51,946 --> 00:26:53,346
Speaker 1: can and all this stuff is going on, and it

609
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:56,466
Speaker 1: makes for great TV and good morning football when you're in.

610
00:26:56,426 --> 00:26:58,826
Speaker 2: That building and I'll give you a great show. Thank you,

611
00:26:58,986 --> 00:27:02,266
Speaker 2: great show, great show. We love that stuff.

612
00:27:03,506 --> 00:27:05,386
Speaker 1: But when you're in that building and there's all this

613
00:27:05,466 --> 00:27:08,226
Speaker 1: other stuff swarming, is it like we don't even pay

614
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:11,706
Speaker 1: attention to that stuff, all those rumors, or because I'll

615
00:27:11,746 --> 00:27:14,226
Speaker 1: say it like it is, Nick, no one knew what

616
00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:16,866
Speaker 1: Houston was doing two overall until that pick was in,

617
00:27:17,066 --> 00:27:19,266
Speaker 1: and no one knew what was happening at three overall

618
00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,826
Speaker 1: until that pick was in. So is that a source

619
00:27:21,866 --> 00:27:24,626
Speaker 1: of pride that no one was on your tail? There

620
00:27:24,666 --> 00:27:26,506
Speaker 1: is no leaks in this building and there's no one

621
00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:28,706
Speaker 1: giving it away. Or is it one of those where

622
00:27:28,706 --> 00:27:31,106
Speaker 1: it's like, this is what we were going to do,

623
00:27:31,186 --> 00:27:32,386
Speaker 1: what we weren't going to do, We don't care what

624
00:27:32,466 --> 00:27:33,106
Speaker 1: the media says.

625
00:27:33,586 --> 00:27:34,706
Speaker 5: No, it's a great question.

626
00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:36,826
Speaker 6: I think it's really a credit to a lot of

627
00:27:36,826 --> 00:27:39,386
Speaker 6: the people that are in the building. And I mean

628
00:27:39,386 --> 00:27:43,066
Speaker 6: Dimiko's really main message to the team, and the number

629
00:27:43,066 --> 00:27:46,066
Speaker 6: one rule is protect the team. So we all have

630
00:27:46,106 --> 00:27:49,506
Speaker 6: a responsibility to protect the team and do what is

631
00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:53,226
Speaker 6: right by the team, not by one individual or not

632
00:27:53,386 --> 00:27:57,386
Speaker 6: subject to i would say public perception or external factors.

633
00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,986
Speaker 5: So part of your job, I mean, that's what you

634
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:00,426
Speaker 5: all do.

635
00:28:00,506 --> 00:28:02,866
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot that you want to talk about,

636
00:28:02,986 --> 00:28:05,026
Speaker 6: need to talk about because there's a gap. There's no

637
00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:09,026
Speaker 6: football being played, so you have essentially when free agency

638
00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:11,066
Speaker 6: is over, as you know, middle of March. Free agency

639
00:28:11,146 --> 00:28:12,746
Speaker 6: is done the first or second week in March. You

640
00:28:12,786 --> 00:28:15,266
Speaker 6: have four to five weeks or what else is there

641
00:28:15,306 --> 00:28:17,386
Speaker 6: to talk about. There's no offseason program in no football,

642
00:28:17,386 --> 00:28:18,946
Speaker 6: so you're going to talk about the draft every day.

643
00:28:18,986 --> 00:28:21,026
Speaker 5: So I think the thing that you have to.

644
00:28:20,986 --> 00:28:25,346
Speaker 6: Guard against more than anything is misinformation during the spring.

645
00:28:25,626 --> 00:28:29,666
Speaker 6: And it goes back to trusting your work, trusting the

646
00:28:29,706 --> 00:28:31,786
Speaker 6: time that you've put in, trust the people in the

647
00:28:31,826 --> 00:28:35,746
Speaker 6: building that who have I would say invested a significant

648
00:28:35,746 --> 00:28:39,866
Speaker 6: amount of time and effort, and just have constant dialogue

649
00:28:39,906 --> 00:28:43,826
Speaker 6: and communication and quite frankly, you have to ignore the

650
00:28:43,866 --> 00:28:47,266
Speaker 6: external factors. We're cognizant that it's there, that's out there.

651
00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:49,346
Speaker 6: There's going to be a lot of discussion, what are

652
00:28:49,386 --> 00:28:50,466
Speaker 6: the motives behind that?

653
00:28:50,706 --> 00:28:51,506
Speaker 5: I mean, as you.

654
00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:55,306
Speaker 6: Know, sometimes things get a little bit jaded or shifted

655
00:28:55,346 --> 00:28:57,706
Speaker 6: a certain way and you try to pain or create

656
00:28:57,746 --> 00:29:00,106
Speaker 6: a narrative. So we just have to make sure that

657
00:29:00,146 --> 00:29:03,226
Speaker 6: we maintain our discipline and just do what we think

658
00:29:03,306 --> 00:29:06,386
Speaker 6: is in the best interests of the organization. And frankly,

659
00:29:06,546 --> 00:29:09,226
Speaker 6: and I've said this publicly multiple times, I mean, the

660
00:29:09,306 --> 00:29:10,866
Speaker 6: draft's a fifty to fifty proposition.

661
00:29:11,026 --> 00:29:11,866
Speaker 5: So there's going to.

662
00:29:11,826 --> 00:29:14,066
Speaker 6: Be players that you think it's going to go one

663
00:29:14,106 --> 00:29:16,066
Speaker 6: way and it works out the way you hope. There's

664
00:29:16,106 --> 00:29:17,946
Speaker 6: going to be other players for whatever the reason that

665
00:29:18,026 --> 00:29:20,306
Speaker 6: doesn't go the way that you would have hoped it would.

666
00:29:20,746 --> 00:29:22,946
Speaker 6: So there's no experts in what we do. There's no

667
00:29:23,026 --> 00:29:25,266
Speaker 6: experts in our field. There's no experts in our building.

668
00:29:25,626 --> 00:29:27,026
Speaker 6: I think we have a lot of people with a

669
00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:30,466
Speaker 6: lot of pride that care about their work and are

670
00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:33,786
Speaker 6: invested fully in the process. And we have to trust

671
00:29:33,786 --> 00:29:35,786
Speaker 6: each other, and we have to trust ourselves, and we

672
00:29:35,826 --> 00:29:37,666
Speaker 6: have to trust the work that we put into it.

673
00:29:38,306 --> 00:29:41,586
Speaker 6: So I'd say, really the draft is a culmination of

674
00:29:41,626 --> 00:29:45,186
Speaker 6: the effort of so many people. And then really the draft,

675
00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:47,666
Speaker 6: to a certain extent, you're prepared, but you have to

676
00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:49,826
Speaker 6: be able to adjust and adapt and kind of bob

677
00:29:49,866 --> 00:29:51,386
Speaker 6: and weave as you go because you have to be

678
00:29:51,426 --> 00:29:55,026
Speaker 6: prepared for a marriag to different scenarios. So I think,

679
00:29:55,066 --> 00:29:56,786
Speaker 6: more than anything, it's just a credit to the people

680
00:29:56,826 --> 00:30:00,186
Speaker 6: in the building. And the reality is at some point

681
00:30:00,186 --> 00:30:02,466
Speaker 6: the information is going to get caught off and there's

682
00:30:02,466 --> 00:30:04,506
Speaker 6: going to be certain people that have access to the information.

683
00:30:04,906 --> 00:30:06,946
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just part of running just a company

684
00:30:07,026 --> 00:30:07,706
Speaker 6: or a good business.

685
00:30:07,786 --> 00:30:09,826
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone needs to know all the details.

686
00:30:09,866 --> 00:30:12,186
Speaker 6: Yeah, And going going back to what Demko says, I

687
00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:15,706
Speaker 6: would say consistently is protect the team. So in the end,

688
00:30:15,866 --> 00:30:18,226
Speaker 6: we're about protecting the team and doing what's right for

689
00:30:18,266 --> 00:30:18,986
Speaker 6: the organization.

690
00:30:19,506 --> 00:30:22,186
Speaker 1: You take CJ Stroud at too, and there's a couple

691
00:30:22,146 --> 00:30:26,146
Speaker 1: of oohs and odds, and then didn'ting the Texans are

692
00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:27,746
Speaker 1: back on the clock? Could you take us through those

693
00:30:27,786 --> 00:30:29,986
Speaker 1: six minutes of you negotiating with money asen for it

694
00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:32,506
Speaker 1: the first year GM, who is a former colleague of yours.

695
00:30:33,386 --> 00:30:35,466
Speaker 1: Who is the Arizona Cardinals GM, and how you guys

696
00:30:35,506 --> 00:30:37,346
Speaker 1: decided to make them move up to number three.

697
00:30:37,826 --> 00:30:40,146
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'd say relationships are a huge part

698
00:30:40,186 --> 00:30:44,066
Speaker 6: of this business. Have a tremendous respect and admiration for Moni,

699
00:30:44,266 --> 00:30:47,746
Speaker 6: both personally and professionally. And we had added some constructive

700
00:30:47,786 --> 00:30:51,386
Speaker 6: dialogues probably a week or two about probably about a

701
00:30:51,386 --> 00:30:51,946
Speaker 6: week out.

702
00:30:51,826 --> 00:30:54,306
Speaker 5: From the draft just going back and forth.

703
00:30:55,146 --> 00:30:57,386
Speaker 6: You know, he was certainly weighing some things on his end,

704
00:30:58,586 --> 00:31:00,026
Speaker 6: and then we're able to kind of get some i

705
00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:03,986
Speaker 6: would say general parameters sort of in place if if

706
00:31:04,026 --> 00:31:08,746
Speaker 6: this happened, here's what potential it would entail. Not knowing

707
00:31:08,906 --> 00:31:11,266
Speaker 6: that whether or not it would come to fruition or not,

708
00:31:11,466 --> 00:31:14,466
Speaker 6: so we didn't know. We went back and forth, so

709
00:31:14,626 --> 00:31:16,666
Speaker 6: there was a gap there where quite frankly, you know,

710
00:31:16,706 --> 00:31:19,226
Speaker 6: we didn't really know what was going to happen. And

711
00:31:19,866 --> 00:31:22,586
Speaker 6: it happened quickly because there's what is it, ten minutes

712
00:31:22,986 --> 00:31:25,546
Speaker 6: in the first round, So we make the pick and

713
00:31:25,586 --> 00:31:28,186
Speaker 6: then okay, Arizona's on the clock, all right, so a

714
00:31:28,186 --> 00:31:29,906
Speaker 6: minute or two go off, So then you're at five

715
00:31:29,946 --> 00:31:31,426
Speaker 6: to six minutes and you don't have a trade. And

716
00:31:31,466 --> 00:31:33,666
Speaker 6: then there's a lot of logistics that are involved, from

717
00:31:34,106 --> 00:31:36,866
Speaker 6: agreeing to the compensation, agreeing to the trade, getting that

718
00:31:36,946 --> 00:31:42,026
Speaker 6: information to the league, make sure the league confirms that

719
00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,946
Speaker 6: you actually have the trade, and then you're on the clock,

720
00:31:45,226 --> 00:31:46,826
Speaker 6: and then have to get a hold of the player

721
00:31:46,986 --> 00:31:50,106
Speaker 6: and make sure the pick gets turned in via Microsoft

722
00:31:50,146 --> 00:31:54,626
Speaker 6: teams or whatever technology is available. So there's a lot

723
00:31:54,626 --> 00:31:56,746
Speaker 6: of that can happen so I think you just kind

724
00:31:56,746 --> 00:31:58,546
Speaker 6: of have to maintain, you know, you have to take

725
00:31:58,586 --> 00:32:01,826
Speaker 6: the emotion out of it. But when the trade was

726
00:32:01,826 --> 00:32:04,826
Speaker 6: actually consummated, maybe the pick, you know, we were all

727
00:32:04,866 --> 00:32:08,866
Speaker 6: excited an emotion because we felt I would say convicted.

728
00:32:09,586 --> 00:32:13,586
Speaker 6: You're really about both players. So yeah, so it was exciting.

729
00:32:13,626 --> 00:32:15,626
Speaker 6: It was an exciting time for the people that are involved.

730
00:32:15,626 --> 00:32:18,226
Speaker 6: It's an exciting time for the organization, for ownership, and

731
00:32:18,266 --> 00:32:22,306
Speaker 6: they're certainly supportive of what we're trying to do. So yeah,

732
00:32:22,346 --> 00:32:24,386
Speaker 6: so you know, it was a cool moment just for

733
00:32:24,426 --> 00:32:26,746
Speaker 6: everybody involved. And then you kind of take a deep

734
00:32:26,786 --> 00:32:29,626
Speaker 6: breath and realize, all right, you're not picking until round

735
00:32:29,626 --> 00:32:31,226
Speaker 6: because you don't have a second round pick.

736
00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:32,306
Speaker 5: But I mean that's the way it goes.

737
00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:35,226
Speaker 2: Stroud gets there Anderson gets there. It's a pretty cool deal.

738
00:32:35,266 --> 00:32:38,386
Speaker 1: You've got now your cornerstone at quarterback, your defensive end

739
00:32:38,746 --> 00:32:40,906
Speaker 1: for the future. Now, was there a moment this summer

740
00:32:40,946 --> 00:32:44,586
Speaker 1: where you saw CJ. Stroud do something and say, oh boy, okay,

741
00:32:45,106 --> 00:32:46,146
Speaker 1: we got something here.

742
00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:49,666
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're just looking from the time they

743
00:32:49,706 --> 00:32:53,026
Speaker 6: walk in the building for improvement, because the reality is

744
00:32:53,306 --> 00:32:55,906
Speaker 6: whoever you pick, whenever you pick them regardless of how

745
00:32:55,946 --> 00:32:58,426
Speaker 6: talented or how productive they've been, they're really they're starting

746
00:32:58,426 --> 00:33:01,506
Speaker 6: from scratch. So they're just kind of putting the foundation

747
00:33:01,626 --> 00:33:04,986
Speaker 6: in place, learning the building, learning the people, learning, learning

748
00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:09,146
Speaker 6: the terminology, learning how to prectice, going out there making mistakes,

749
00:33:09,186 --> 00:33:11,346
Speaker 6: and then going back correcting do you not make the

750
00:33:11,386 --> 00:33:15,146
Speaker 6: same mistakes a second time? So the bottom line is

751
00:33:15,186 --> 00:33:17,506
Speaker 6: you're just looking for improvement from the time you start

752
00:33:17,586 --> 00:33:20,386
Speaker 6: until an endpoint. So you really have called six weeks

753
00:33:20,426 --> 00:33:23,066
Speaker 6: where you can evaluate. So you get into OTAs and

754
00:33:23,066 --> 00:33:25,226
Speaker 6: then you get into mini camps. After four or five weeks,

755
00:33:25,306 --> 00:33:27,426
Speaker 6: you say, all right, take inventory of where we are.

756
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,506
Speaker 6: All right, there's some things out have gone well, here's

757
00:33:29,506 --> 00:33:32,466
Speaker 6: some things that we could certainly fix or improve. And

758
00:33:32,546 --> 00:33:36,826
Speaker 6: I think CJ earned the job and earned the opportunity

759
00:33:36,986 --> 00:33:40,786
Speaker 6: with his performance. And I think that started from the beginning.

760
00:33:40,826 --> 00:33:43,186
Speaker 6: What the expectation was, like, nobody's going to be handing

761
00:33:43,186 --> 00:33:45,466
Speaker 6: anything when they walk in our building. You have to

762
00:33:45,466 --> 00:33:47,666
Speaker 6: earn it on a day to day basis with your attitude,

763
00:33:47,706 --> 00:33:50,786
Speaker 6: with your behavior, and your performance. And the players that

764
00:33:50,986 --> 00:33:52,946
Speaker 6: do those things, those are the players that we're gonna

765
00:33:52,946 --> 00:33:54,346
Speaker 6: be able to rely on. That we're gonna be able

766
00:33:54,346 --> 00:33:56,306
Speaker 6: to trust and then we're gonna we're gonna want to

767
00:33:56,306 --> 00:33:59,146
Speaker 6: put on the field. So we came back from from

768
00:33:59,186 --> 00:34:00,386
Speaker 6: the summer, I had a little bit of break there,

769
00:34:00,426 --> 00:34:02,586
Speaker 6: came back in training camp. I would say, there was

770
00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:05,426
Speaker 6: some good plays and kind of incrementally it got better,

771
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:07,146
Speaker 6: and I'd say after a week or two, you start

772
00:34:07,186 --> 00:34:09,946
Speaker 6: to see some things and then try to give him

773
00:34:09,946 --> 00:34:11,706
Speaker 6: a little bit more, see what he can absorb, see

774
00:34:11,746 --> 00:34:14,226
Speaker 6: what we can handle. And then by the time when

775
00:34:14,266 --> 00:34:15,826
Speaker 6: you know, I think we you know, got there to

776
00:34:15,826 --> 00:34:17,386
Speaker 6: the end. I think we kind of knew the direction

777
00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:19,786
Speaker 6: that we were going to go. And then you kind

778
00:34:19,786 --> 00:34:22,866
Speaker 6: of hit the reset button once a training camp is over,

779
00:34:22,906 --> 00:34:25,666
Speaker 6: and once the preseason is over, hit the reset button

780
00:34:25,786 --> 00:34:28,666
Speaker 6: and you're really kind of going back to square one's

781
00:34:28,706 --> 00:34:32,866
Speaker 6: Week one in Baltimore, which I would say not surprisingly.

782
00:34:32,906 --> 00:34:34,466
Speaker 6: I mean, they're one of the best teams in the league.

783
00:34:34,506 --> 00:34:35,506
Speaker 6: I think we knew it was going to be a

784
00:34:35,546 --> 00:34:38,066
Speaker 6: pretty significant challenge going into Baltimore, playing on a road,

785
00:34:38,066 --> 00:34:40,666
Speaker 6: playing against a really good team, and there were some

786
00:34:40,706 --> 00:34:42,866
Speaker 6: things that I think we learned about our team, and

787
00:34:42,906 --> 00:34:44,826
Speaker 6: not only CJ, but we've learned about our team. I

788
00:34:44,826 --> 00:34:46,586
Speaker 6: mean you know, it was a one score game, seven

789
00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:48,106
Speaker 6: to six at half time. The second half kind of

790
00:34:48,106 --> 00:34:50,306
Speaker 6: got away from us, but you know, there were some

791
00:34:50,346 --> 00:34:52,706
Speaker 6: things that we had to get corrected, corrected and fixed.

792
00:34:52,786 --> 00:34:54,586
Speaker 6: And you know then we turn around the next week

793
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:56,066
Speaker 6: and we lose at home in the row and two.

794
00:34:56,986 --> 00:35:00,106
Speaker 6: But I think the team stayed invested. The attitude was great,

795
00:35:00,106 --> 00:35:01,866
Speaker 6: that morale was great, and it really it starts with

796
00:35:01,946 --> 00:35:03,986
Speaker 6: Demko and his leadership at the top.

797
00:35:04,746 --> 00:35:07,066
Speaker 1: Let's go to that higher because you guys had been

798
00:35:07,106 --> 00:35:09,266
Speaker 1: through two different coaches who lasted one year, and it's

799
00:35:09,306 --> 00:35:10,546
Speaker 1: kind of like, we got to get this one right.

800
00:35:11,146 --> 00:35:14,306
Speaker 1: You guys brought in other people and you hired Demiko,

801
00:35:14,426 --> 00:35:17,186
Speaker 1: Ryan's former player, who was a very well respected defensive

802
00:35:17,786 --> 00:35:20,146
Speaker 1: coach and then coordinator for the Sanftisco forty nine ers.

803
00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:21,586
Speaker 1: Did you have the history of Demiko at all? I

804
00:35:21,586 --> 00:35:23,866
Speaker 1: know he was with the Texans and the Eagles for

805
00:35:23,906 --> 00:35:25,306
Speaker 1: a little bit. Did you ever were you ever in

806
00:35:25,386 --> 00:35:26,746
Speaker 1: front office where he was one of the players.

807
00:35:26,986 --> 00:35:28,506
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we never overlapped.

808
00:35:28,746 --> 00:35:31,746
Speaker 6: We played against the Texans multiple times when I was

809
00:35:31,746 --> 00:35:33,586
Speaker 6: in New England, but when Demiko was a player here

810
00:35:33,586 --> 00:35:36,306
Speaker 6: as as a matter of fact, we played against Philadelphia

811
00:35:36,826 --> 00:35:38,346
Speaker 6: when he played for I want to think he was

812
00:35:38,346 --> 00:35:40,746
Speaker 6: playing for Chip. Yeah, we played them during the regular

813
00:35:40,746 --> 00:35:43,146
Speaker 6: season there at one point. But as far as that,

814
00:35:43,346 --> 00:35:45,226
Speaker 6: I mean, we didn't have any of it. Say, we

815
00:35:45,306 --> 00:35:46,306
Speaker 6: knew of each other.

816
00:35:46,306 --> 00:35:48,746
Speaker 2: Sure, but there wasn't some long relationship with twenty years.

817
00:35:48,786 --> 00:35:50,666
Speaker 6: No, No, we didn't know each other. I'd say on

818
00:35:50,946 --> 00:35:53,026
Speaker 6: a personal level. It was just more of kind of

819
00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:57,306
Speaker 6: from afar and you respect. You know what a coach

820
00:35:57,426 --> 00:36:00,666
Speaker 6: does when you watch their team play. You know, we

821
00:36:00,706 --> 00:36:03,986
Speaker 6: played against San Francisco in twenty he was it twenty

822
00:36:04,026 --> 00:36:07,386
Speaker 6: one when we played against them in my first year here,

823
00:36:07,626 --> 00:36:10,786
Speaker 6: went out there and played against them. So then you

824
00:36:10,826 --> 00:36:14,026
Speaker 6: just start to accumulate information. You know, we made the change.

825
00:36:14,626 --> 00:36:16,466
Speaker 6: You know, we put a lot of say, thought and

826
00:36:16,506 --> 00:36:18,306
Speaker 6: effort into it, and you know there are a number

827
00:36:18,306 --> 00:36:21,346
Speaker 6: of people that are involved in that process, and you

828
00:36:21,386 --> 00:36:23,026
Speaker 6: know we went through that process.

829
00:36:22,626 --> 00:36:24,706
Speaker 5: And you know there was he was.

830
00:36:24,906 --> 00:36:26,946
Speaker 6: He stood out amongst the would say a pretty good

831
00:36:26,946 --> 00:36:28,986
Speaker 6: group of candidates for a myriad of reasons. I think

832
00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:30,546
Speaker 6: the big thing and that there's a lot of people

833
00:36:30,546 --> 00:36:32,586
Speaker 6: in this building that were around him as a player.

834
00:36:33,546 --> 00:36:37,466
Speaker 6: I would say, who he is is you know, he's.

835
00:36:36,786 --> 00:36:37,666
Speaker 5: True to who he is.

836
00:36:38,146 --> 00:36:40,826
Speaker 6: He has a great mindset, he has a great personality.

837
00:36:40,826 --> 00:36:44,026
Speaker 6: He's genuine, he's very competitive, he cares about people.

838
00:36:44,666 --> 00:36:47,026
Speaker 5: He's good at his job. He was a good player.

839
00:36:47,386 --> 00:36:50,026
Speaker 6: He's invested in the city of Houston, and he had

840
00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:52,906
Speaker 6: success and he was a part of winning programs. I

841
00:36:52,946 --> 00:36:54,906
Speaker 6: mean what John and Kyle have done out there in

842
00:36:54,946 --> 00:36:57,346
Speaker 6: San Francisco. I mean, there's not too many programs that

843
00:36:57,386 --> 00:36:59,466
Speaker 6: have had his much success. So you know, when to

844
00:36:59,546 --> 00:37:03,066
Speaker 6: put all those factors together, you know, we made a

845
00:37:03,106 --> 00:37:05,906
Speaker 6: decision that we did. There's a lot of excitement, and

846
00:37:06,026 --> 00:37:10,986
Speaker 6: you know he deserves, you know, every amount. He deserves

847
00:37:10,986 --> 00:37:14,346
Speaker 6: as much credit is anybody because he's put his imprint

848
00:37:14,386 --> 00:37:17,786
Speaker 6: on this team with his message and his just consistency

849
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:20,146
Speaker 6: day to day, and the players respond. They want to

850
00:37:20,186 --> 00:37:22,346
Speaker 6: play for him, they want to be here. He holds

851
00:37:22,386 --> 00:37:24,586
Speaker 6: him to a high standard, he holds him accountable. He

852
00:37:24,706 --> 00:37:28,746
Speaker 6: cares a lot about them, regardless win or lose. It's

853
00:37:28,866 --> 00:37:31,746
Speaker 6: the standard of performance has been established, the mindset has

854
00:37:31,786 --> 00:37:34,226
Speaker 6: been established. We know we're not going to win every game,

855
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,106
Speaker 6: but are we doing the things on a week to week,

856
00:37:36,186 --> 00:37:38,306
Speaker 6: day to day basis that put ourselves into position and

857
00:37:38,346 --> 00:37:38,666
Speaker 6: if we.

858
00:37:38,626 --> 00:37:41,066
Speaker 5: Don't, then here's the reason why. Here's the things that

859
00:37:41,106 --> 00:37:41,946
Speaker 5: we need to get fixed.

860
00:37:42,746 --> 00:37:46,106
Speaker 6: So, I mean, I can't say enough great things about

861
00:37:46,146 --> 00:37:48,066
Speaker 6: who he is not as a coach, but as a

862
00:37:48,146 --> 00:37:51,146
Speaker 6: human being as a person, and those things certainly matter

863
00:37:51,426 --> 00:37:53,346
Speaker 6: when you're running a football team, when you're around each

864
00:37:53,346 --> 00:37:55,986
Speaker 6: other essentially on a day to day basis for multiple

865
00:37:55,986 --> 00:37:56,706
Speaker 6: months out of the year.

866
00:37:57,146 --> 00:37:59,706
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he brings in Bobby Slowick as the

867
00:37:59,706 --> 00:38:02,626
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and you think about that forty nine ers tree.

868
00:38:03,066 --> 00:38:04,466
Speaker 2: You know, we've already seen.

869
00:38:04,386 --> 00:38:06,186
Speaker 1: Kyle have all the success here, but like now you've

870
00:38:06,226 --> 00:38:09,906
Speaker 1: got Mike Lafleur has already been elsewhere as in OC twice.

871
00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:12,706
Speaker 2: You've got Mike McDaniel now flourishing. And then here's this

872
00:38:12,866 --> 00:38:13,746
Speaker 2: Bobby slow who.

873
00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:16,266
Speaker 1: I got to be honest, I wasn't aware of what

874
00:38:16,266 --> 00:38:18,946
Speaker 1: his offense would look like because he never was necessarily

875
00:38:18,946 --> 00:38:20,866
Speaker 1: calling the plays in San Francisco. And then now he

876
00:38:20,906 --> 00:38:23,226
Speaker 1: comes in. You've got to be overjoyed with the connection

877
00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:24,946
Speaker 1: he's had with Stroud and these young receivers.

878
00:38:25,626 --> 00:38:28,306
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think there's a propensity

879
00:38:28,346 --> 00:38:31,306
Speaker 6: to kind of attach trees and well, this is going

880
00:38:31,386 --> 00:38:33,426
Speaker 6: to happen. And I think the reality is when you're

881
00:38:33,466 --> 00:38:35,746
Speaker 6: running a program, when you're starting a program, when you're

882
00:38:35,746 --> 00:38:38,186
Speaker 6: bringing somebody in, you sort of have to make it

883
00:38:38,266 --> 00:38:38,626
Speaker 6: your own.

884
00:38:38,866 --> 00:38:41,346
Speaker 5: So I think all of us have a foundation.

885
00:38:41,626 --> 00:38:43,906
Speaker 6: I'd say that we were raised on or who we

886
00:38:44,026 --> 00:38:48,666
Speaker 6: worked under, or who we learned under philosophies how that

887
00:38:48,786 --> 00:38:51,226
Speaker 6: was built. But the reality is when you go into

888
00:38:51,266 --> 00:38:53,666
Speaker 6: a building and start a program and bring people in,

889
00:38:54,346 --> 00:38:56,626
Speaker 6: is you're trying to put your own spin on whatever

890
00:38:56,666 --> 00:38:59,106
Speaker 6: that is. And it's usually a function of the players

891
00:38:59,106 --> 00:39:01,226
Speaker 6: that you have in the building and the things that

892
00:39:01,266 --> 00:39:04,226
Speaker 6: they do well. So your ability to adjust to adapt.

893
00:39:04,706 --> 00:39:07,906
Speaker 6: You have a core foundation the principles that are important,

894
00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:10,346
Speaker 6: but the reality is you're probably going to have to

895
00:39:10,346 --> 00:39:12,346
Speaker 6: bob and weave a little bit and you know, make

896
00:39:12,386 --> 00:39:14,306
Speaker 6: some adjustments as you go as reading something you know,

897
00:39:14,306 --> 00:39:16,866
Speaker 6: in fact, we're playing you know, Cincinnati this week with

898
00:39:16,986 --> 00:39:19,666
Speaker 6: Zach and Zach has made a comment how sometimes how

899
00:39:19,706 --> 00:39:21,546
Speaker 6: the offense starts at the beginning of the year looks

900
00:39:21,546 --> 00:39:24,386
Speaker 6: a lot different when you get midway, and really that's

901
00:39:24,386 --> 00:39:26,666
Speaker 6: sort of emblematic of what this league is about. You

902
00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:29,306
Speaker 6: really have to be able to adjust and make some modifications.

903
00:39:29,306 --> 00:39:30,906
Speaker 5: And adjustments to your personnel, or.

904
00:39:30,906 --> 00:39:34,106
Speaker 6: If something's not going well all right, maybe figure out

905
00:39:34,146 --> 00:39:35,826
Speaker 6: a different way to do it or come up with

906
00:39:35,866 --> 00:39:40,146
Speaker 6: another solution. So Bobby's a very smart person, works very hard.

907
00:39:40,426 --> 00:39:43,866
Speaker 6: He has an interesting perspective because he was on the

908
00:39:43,866 --> 00:39:47,026
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball, and sometimes I would say,

909
00:39:47,146 --> 00:39:49,826
Speaker 6: you know, I would speak from experience. When you work

910
00:39:49,866 --> 00:39:51,666
Speaker 6: on the opposite side of the ball, it gives you

911
00:39:51,706 --> 00:39:55,106
Speaker 6: a better understanding of what goes on on you know,

912
00:39:55,386 --> 00:39:57,666
Speaker 6: their respective side side of the coin.

913
00:39:57,706 --> 00:39:57,906
Speaker 5: There.

914
00:39:57,986 --> 00:40:00,426
Speaker 6: So in Bobby's case, he kind of had a background

915
00:40:00,466 --> 00:40:03,106
Speaker 6: in defense. Of course, his dad has been a very

916
00:40:03,226 --> 00:40:07,306
Speaker 6: successful defensive coach. His brother's down here in Miami coaching

917
00:40:07,346 --> 00:40:10,146
Speaker 6: on defense. So Bobby has a really unique background.

918
00:40:10,306 --> 00:40:10,706
Speaker 5: Very smart.

919
00:40:10,746 --> 00:40:13,426
Speaker 6: I mean, anybody goes to Michigan Tech, like you got

920
00:40:13,466 --> 00:40:14,186
Speaker 6: to be pretty smart.

921
00:40:14,226 --> 00:40:16,386
Speaker 1: So I think he also works for a pro football

922
00:40:16,426 --> 00:40:18,426
Speaker 1: focus for a while, I'm not mistaken, Like he was

923
00:40:18,426 --> 00:40:19,946
Speaker 1: on the analytics side doing research.

924
00:40:20,266 --> 00:40:20,866
Speaker 2: That's different.

925
00:40:20,946 --> 00:40:22,866
Speaker 6: So you learn a lot and then when you go

926
00:40:22,906 --> 00:40:25,906
Speaker 6: anytime you go into a situation, you're trying to figure out,

927
00:40:25,906 --> 00:40:27,946
Speaker 6: all right, these are things that are important. We want

928
00:40:27,986 --> 00:40:30,626
Speaker 6: to start here are who are the players? What are

929
00:40:30,666 --> 00:40:32,666
Speaker 6: we going to do and then you know, we're eight

930
00:40:32,706 --> 00:40:34,506
Speaker 6: games into the season. Now I think we have a

931
00:40:34,546 --> 00:40:36,506
Speaker 6: decent idea of some of the things that you know,

932
00:40:36,546 --> 00:40:40,226
Speaker 6: maybe either quarterback does well or certain players do well. Understanding,

933
00:40:40,266 --> 00:40:42,186
Speaker 6: we still have nine games out of us and there's

934
00:40:42,186 --> 00:40:45,106
Speaker 6: a lot of good coaches out there, so you know,

935
00:40:45,306 --> 00:40:47,746
Speaker 6: we've put together Dimico's put together a great staff.

936
00:40:47,746 --> 00:40:48,586
Speaker 5: They work well together.

937
00:40:48,626 --> 00:40:51,666
Speaker 6: It's a good combination of youth and experience and really,

938
00:40:51,746 --> 00:40:54,746
Speaker 6: whatever your background is, that's kind of your your starting point.

939
00:40:55,066 --> 00:40:57,106
Speaker 6: But the reality is you're trying to create your own

940
00:40:57,186 --> 00:40:58,906
Speaker 6: image of what you wanted to look like.

941
00:40:59,306 --> 00:41:01,346
Speaker 2: All right, Now, let's talk about you a little bit here. Okay.

942
00:41:01,346 --> 00:41:04,306
Speaker 1: You're born in lind Hurst, Ohio. All right, you're going

943
00:41:04,346 --> 00:41:07,746
Speaker 1: to have to lindn Hurst, Ohio. Okay, and you're from

944
00:41:07,786 --> 00:41:10,106
Speaker 1: what I call the John Cairol Mafia. You go to

945
00:41:10,306 --> 00:41:13,306
Speaker 1: John Carroll where all of you guys, I feel like

946
00:41:13,426 --> 00:41:15,346
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of the gms and coaches in the

947
00:41:15,426 --> 00:41:20,746
Speaker 1: league quietly went to John Carroll. You know, John, But

948
00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:23,866
Speaker 1: it's not a straight shot to New England. You start

949
00:41:23,866 --> 00:41:26,866
Speaker 1: off at Saginaw Valley State as a grad assistant. You

950
00:41:26,946 --> 00:41:29,946
Speaker 1: end up going to Central Michigan and then you end

951
00:41:30,026 --> 00:41:32,506
Speaker 1: up with the Patriots as a coach and you're coaching

952
00:41:32,546 --> 00:41:36,986
Speaker 1: them for a while before making the move to moving

953
00:41:37,026 --> 00:41:39,426
Speaker 1: over to the director of pro personnel. So take us

954
00:41:39,426 --> 00:41:41,946
Speaker 1: through your path a little bit. Let's go from from

955
00:41:42,146 --> 00:41:44,346
Speaker 1: graduating college and what you wanted to do for a

956
00:41:44,346 --> 00:41:45,506
Speaker 1: living and how you got there.

957
00:41:46,426 --> 00:41:49,746
Speaker 6: Yeah, so when I got to college, you know, I

958
00:41:49,746 --> 00:41:52,346
Speaker 6: thought I was going to major in political science, go

959
00:41:52,386 --> 00:41:54,706
Speaker 6: to law school, kind of take that route and switch

960
00:41:54,786 --> 00:41:56,506
Speaker 6: my majors a few times. I think I went from

961
00:41:56,546 --> 00:42:00,586
Speaker 6: marketing to finance. I enjoyed finance, even going all the

962
00:42:00,626 --> 00:42:04,346
Speaker 6: way back to when I was in my senior year

963
00:42:04,386 --> 00:42:06,226
Speaker 6: of high school. University school, we had to do kind

964
00:42:06,226 --> 00:42:09,946
Speaker 6: of a one month internship and I did an internship

965
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:12,786
Speaker 6: at Kidder Peabody, which is not defunct. And then eventually

966
00:42:12,826 --> 00:42:16,106
Speaker 6: Smith Barney worked for a guy with the name of

967
00:42:16,146 --> 00:42:18,466
Speaker 6: Jeff Rotsky. Jeff actually has been a really successful high

968
00:42:18,506 --> 00:42:20,546
Speaker 6: school coach. So Jeff kind of had the balance of

969
00:42:21,266 --> 00:42:24,586
Speaker 6: football business, you know, where he was basically a stockbroker

970
00:42:24,626 --> 00:42:27,506
Speaker 6: by day, and then he ended up coaching multiple high

971
00:42:27,546 --> 00:42:31,746
Speaker 6: schools in the city at Cleveland. So anyways, so as

972
00:42:31,786 --> 00:42:37,546
Speaker 6: a finance major, So I finished football December nineteen ninety

973
00:42:37,546 --> 00:42:39,666
Speaker 6: eight and then started working at Merrill Lynch.

974
00:42:39,706 --> 00:42:43,066
Speaker 5: I was working for. Jeff was working in finance. We

975
00:42:43,106 --> 00:42:43,866
Speaker 5: had a is that right?

976
00:42:43,866 --> 00:42:45,666
Speaker 2: What were you doing? Were you like a press off?

977
00:42:45,746 --> 00:42:48,186
Speaker 6: And he's doing research and we had a fee base

978
00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:50,106
Speaker 6: product that we were pitching at the time, so I

979
00:42:50,186 --> 00:42:52,346
Speaker 6: was kind of responsible for that. You know, where you

980
00:42:52,426 --> 00:42:55,026
Speaker 6: match up certain money managers. Here's a product we offer,

981
00:42:55,186 --> 00:42:57,786
Speaker 6: here's the uh, here's the fund, here's some of the

982
00:42:57,826 --> 00:43:00,866
Speaker 6: holdings within the fund. Essentially try to pitch that to clients.

983
00:43:01,506 --> 00:43:04,746
Speaker 6: So started doing that. In January, my best friend John

984
00:43:04,786 --> 00:43:07,586
Speaker 6: Priestep and I started working together. So John and I

985
00:43:07,586 --> 00:43:11,426
Speaker 6: are working together, living together. John played receiver for US

986
00:43:11,466 --> 00:43:15,426
Speaker 6: at John Carroll. He and I established an unbelievable friendship

987
00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:17,626
Speaker 6: from the time that he arrived on camp. So John

988
00:43:17,626 --> 00:43:19,146
Speaker 6: and I were working together, so we kind of had

989
00:43:19,146 --> 00:43:21,506
Speaker 6: a professional life making decent money.

990
00:43:21,626 --> 00:43:25,106
Speaker 1: Had the picture in subway ads and billboards like here

991
00:43:25,146 --> 00:43:27,146
Speaker 1: we are, this is the two guys, the two young

992
00:43:27,186 --> 00:43:29,986
Speaker 1: bros selling stock tips and yeah exactly.

993
00:43:30,106 --> 00:43:30,346
Speaker 2: Yeah.

994
00:43:30,506 --> 00:43:34,906
Speaker 6: So while we started working, you know, I think I

995
00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:37,706
Speaker 6: had an itch for football and sport, and I'd say

996
00:43:37,746 --> 00:43:40,666
Speaker 6: that my the root of that is, you know, my

997
00:43:40,826 --> 00:43:43,106
Speaker 6: high school coach, my high school head coach and office coordinator,

998
00:43:43,186 --> 00:43:46,906
Speaker 6: John Carroll Operella got rest his soul, had a tremendous impact,

999
00:43:46,906 --> 00:43:49,746
Speaker 6: I'd say on my life. He helped me as a player.

1000
00:43:49,786 --> 00:43:52,146
Speaker 6: He helped me via calm the player that I developed into.

1001
00:43:52,186 --> 00:43:54,746
Speaker 6: I mean, I wasn't very good, but he got the

1002
00:43:54,746 --> 00:43:57,066
Speaker 6: most out of me. I'd like to think that I

1003
00:43:57,106 --> 00:44:00,146
Speaker 6: worked pretty hard at football and cared a lot about football,

1004
00:44:00,586 --> 00:44:03,026
Speaker 6: and I love being around the sport and being around

1005
00:44:03,026 --> 00:44:06,866
Speaker 6: the game. So at the time I was single, I

1006
00:44:06,906 --> 00:44:10,506
Speaker 6: didn't have any sort of connections to anybody or anything.

1007
00:44:10,746 --> 00:44:15,026
Speaker 6: So I went on the football scoop or whatever. They

1008
00:44:16,746 --> 00:44:20,266
Speaker 6: a graduate assistant job. So I literally I drove to

1009
00:44:20,386 --> 00:44:24,506
Speaker 6: Concordy University, which is outside of Chicago. They interviewed there,

1010
00:44:25,026 --> 00:44:27,426
Speaker 6: and then I took another day trip up to Saginaw Valley.

1011
00:44:27,826 --> 00:44:30,826
Speaker 6: Literally didn't know a coach, didn't know anybody on staff.

1012
00:44:31,426 --> 00:44:33,826
Speaker 6: Just wanted to be in football. So I drove to

1013
00:44:33,826 --> 00:44:36,186
Speaker 6: Saganaw Valley, met with coach or Randy Ori, I was

1014
00:44:36,186 --> 00:44:38,026
Speaker 6: a head coach at the time. I went over there

1015
00:44:38,026 --> 00:44:40,466
Speaker 6: over the summer, said coach, look, I just just want

1016
00:44:40,466 --> 00:44:42,026
Speaker 6: to be in football. I just want to be involved.

1017
00:44:42,466 --> 00:44:44,826
Speaker 6: I'll take whatever job you have available. They had posted

1018
00:44:44,826 --> 00:44:47,106
Speaker 6: a position. It was an offensive grad assistant position or

1019
00:44:47,146 --> 00:44:50,826
Speaker 6: whatever it was. And then by the and along with that,

1020
00:44:51,426 --> 00:44:54,306
Speaker 6: I was able to pursue an NBA you know, so

1021
00:44:54,946 --> 00:44:57,546
Speaker 6: I could coach. I could still work on some schooling.

1022
00:44:57,706 --> 00:45:00,146
Speaker 6: So it was kind of two for one. I'd say,

1023
00:45:00,186 --> 00:45:03,746
Speaker 6: two areas that I was fairly passionate about. So started

1024
00:45:03,746 --> 00:45:04,586
Speaker 6: Saganaw Valley.

1025
00:45:05,066 --> 00:45:06,826
Speaker 1: Let me just put this in the perspective. So, you're

1026
00:45:06,866 --> 00:45:08,866
Speaker 1: making real money living in a city, right, You're living

1027
00:45:08,866 --> 00:45:09,306
Speaker 1: in Cleveland.

1028
00:45:09,426 --> 00:45:10,066
Speaker 2: We're living Yeah.

1029
00:45:10,066 --> 00:45:12,626
Speaker 6: I was making a decent amount of money at the time. Yeah,

1030
00:45:12,706 --> 00:45:14,666
Speaker 6: and then I took a graduate assistant position. I think

1031
00:45:14,666 --> 00:45:16,506
Speaker 6: it was making I don't know, twenty five hundred dollars

1032
00:45:16,586 --> 00:45:17,226
Speaker 6: a year, so.

1033
00:45:17,346 --> 00:45:19,786
Speaker 2: Twenty five hundred a year. But think about this you had.

1034
00:45:19,866 --> 00:45:22,546
Speaker 1: It's very easy though, for you to say, you know what,

1035
00:45:22,866 --> 00:45:25,106
Speaker 1: I've got a job, I've got a nice apartment paying

1036
00:45:25,146 --> 00:45:25,506
Speaker 1: my rent.

1037
00:45:25,786 --> 00:45:28,626
Speaker 2: I mean, Cleveland's cool city with my best friend. But

1038
00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:30,706
Speaker 2: the football which was so great that you gave it

1039
00:45:30,746 --> 00:45:34,666
Speaker 2: all up and drove with no connection to Saginaw Valley

1040
00:45:34,786 --> 00:45:37,066
Speaker 2: State to work for next to nothing, just to get

1041
00:45:37,106 --> 00:45:37,786
Speaker 2: your foot in the door.

1042
00:45:38,106 --> 00:45:39,626
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think a lot of us have been

1043
00:45:39,626 --> 00:45:41,946
Speaker 6: in the same situation. But I'd say going back to John,

1044
00:45:42,426 --> 00:45:46,346
Speaker 6: I'd say his family was a huge impact. They essentially,

1045
00:45:46,626 --> 00:45:50,306
Speaker 6: you know, helped me over a two year period. And

1046
00:45:50,386 --> 00:45:53,866
Speaker 6: John is from outside of Detroit, so he had family there.

1047
00:45:53,986 --> 00:45:56,346
Speaker 6: So that was the only people that I really knew.

1048
00:45:56,346 --> 00:45:58,786
Speaker 6: And you know, John was supported. Here's my best friend

1049
00:45:58,946 --> 00:46:02,026
Speaker 6: working together. He was supporting as anybody. So I went

1050
00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:03,906
Speaker 6: up to Saginaw Valley. We actually had a pretty good

1051
00:46:03,946 --> 00:46:07,746
Speaker 6: team my second year, so working on offense, kind of

1052
00:46:07,746 --> 00:46:10,506
Speaker 6: working with the running backs, handling some of the special teams,

1053
00:46:10,586 --> 00:46:12,706
Speaker 6: and then I was also going to class at night,

1054
00:46:13,026 --> 00:46:14,746
Speaker 6: and I loved it. I mean, I was in football,

1055
00:46:14,946 --> 00:46:16,626
Speaker 6: I was going to school. I think I'm a pretty

1056
00:46:16,666 --> 00:46:20,946
Speaker 6: curious individual in nature like learning. So two seasons at

1057
00:46:20,986 --> 00:46:24,706
Speaker 6: Saginaw Valley and then in January of twenty it would

1058
00:46:24,706 --> 00:46:28,986
Speaker 6: have been twenty excuse me, two thousand and one, there

1059
00:46:29,026 --> 00:46:32,546
Speaker 6: was a grad assistant position available at Central Michigan. And

1060
00:46:32,586 --> 00:46:36,066
Speaker 6: the reason I came across that was typically when you're

1061
00:46:36,106 --> 00:46:38,026
Speaker 6: a grad assistant and you're a college coach, you work

1062
00:46:38,106 --> 00:46:41,066
Speaker 6: summer camps that's your way to make a few. So

1063
00:46:41,546 --> 00:46:44,666
Speaker 6: worked a football camp at Central Michigan University when Mike

1064
00:46:44,706 --> 00:46:47,866
Speaker 6: the Board was a coach there, and then Butch Jones

1065
00:46:47,906 --> 00:46:51,106
Speaker 6: was a running backs coach at Central Michigan. So Butch

1066
00:46:51,146 --> 00:46:52,746
Speaker 6: and I had kind of maintained contact.

1067
00:46:52,786 --> 00:46:53,986
Speaker 5: So he was at Central Michigan.

1068
00:46:54,506 --> 00:46:58,266
Speaker 6: So through communication, through dialogue and discussion, he had mentioned

1069
00:46:58,306 --> 00:47:01,346
Speaker 6: that there was potentially a GA position that was available.

1070
00:47:01,386 --> 00:47:06,106
Speaker 6: So from January oh one till June so I was

1071
00:47:06,146 --> 00:47:08,226
Speaker 6: a great I had assistant at Central Michigan. I started

1072
00:47:08,226 --> 00:47:09,626
Speaker 6: working on a defensive side of the ball with the

1073
00:47:09,666 --> 00:47:12,106
Speaker 6: outside linebackers and John Mulligan was a defensive coordinator at

1074
00:47:12,106 --> 00:47:14,026
Speaker 6: the time. We actually had a really good stat John

1075
00:47:14,066 --> 00:47:16,306
Speaker 6: Mulligan was a defensive coordinator. Scott Leffler was the head

1076
00:47:16,306 --> 00:47:20,026
Speaker 6: coach a Bowling Green it was kind of quarterbacks coach coach.

1077
00:47:20,186 --> 00:47:23,146
Speaker 6: Butch Jones was he, you know, was the running backs coach,

1078
00:47:23,186 --> 00:47:25,826
Speaker 6: and Mike the Board who coach had you know, he's

1079
00:47:25,826 --> 00:47:28,146
Speaker 6: been an office coordinator and the SEC's been a head coach.

1080
00:47:28,226 --> 00:47:29,426
Speaker 5: So so started.

1081
00:47:29,706 --> 00:47:32,666
Speaker 6: So during the day I would I would go up

1082
00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:35,146
Speaker 6: there and do football, and then in the evening I

1083
00:47:35,146 --> 00:47:37,746
Speaker 6: would drive from Mount Pleasant to Saginaw and take my

1084
00:47:37,826 --> 00:47:39,306
Speaker 6: classes two or three times a week.

1085
00:47:39,546 --> 00:47:42,186
Speaker 1: So you stayed in Saginaw, but you were coaching at

1086
00:47:42,186 --> 00:47:42,866
Speaker 1: Central Michigan.

1087
00:47:42,946 --> 00:47:43,306
Speaker 7: How long?

1088
00:47:43,426 --> 00:47:44,186
Speaker 2: How far is that?

1089
00:47:44,426 --> 00:47:47,186
Speaker 6: It was about a forty five minute to sixty minute drive,

1090
00:47:47,266 --> 00:47:48,866
Speaker 6: so I didn't go back and forth.

1091
00:47:49,346 --> 00:47:51,506
Speaker 5: So it was in my apartment in Mount Pleasant.

1092
00:47:51,506 --> 00:47:53,466
Speaker 6: So I worked during the day and then if I

1093
00:47:53,466 --> 00:47:54,866
Speaker 6: had class, I think it was like two or three

1094
00:47:54,866 --> 00:47:56,346
Speaker 6: times a week, I'd go take class and then I

1095
00:47:56,466 --> 00:48:00,306
Speaker 6: come back. And that was kind of my routine for

1096
00:48:00,546 --> 00:48:01,786
Speaker 6: six months in the spring.

1097
00:48:02,786 --> 00:48:04,546
Speaker 5: It's because I wanted to finish Miami.

1098
00:48:04,666 --> 00:48:06,186
Speaker 1: He's going to say, why did you? Why did you

1099
00:48:06,506 --> 00:48:08,666
Speaker 1: through that NBA so aggressive? Was there always in the

1100
00:48:08,706 --> 00:48:10,626
Speaker 1: back of your head, like, well, if this doesn't work out,

1101
00:48:10,706 --> 00:48:11,986
Speaker 1: or is it just you always wanted it?

1102
00:48:12,386 --> 00:48:12,626
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1103
00:48:12,626 --> 00:48:15,546
Speaker 6: I would say I was interested in finance as interested

1104
00:48:15,546 --> 00:48:17,826
Speaker 6: in business, and I kind of started down that path.

1105
00:48:17,986 --> 00:48:20,346
Speaker 6: And my you know, my mom and dad always taught me,

1106
00:48:20,386 --> 00:48:22,386
Speaker 6: once you start something, you need to finish.

1107
00:48:22,506 --> 00:48:24,146
Speaker 5: So I did you know, I can very easily could have.

1108
00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:26,546
Speaker 6: Walked away, but I invested eighteen months of my time,

1109
00:48:26,626 --> 00:48:29,346
Speaker 6: so you know, I was, you know, this semester out,

1110
00:48:29,586 --> 00:48:32,106
Speaker 6: so I said there's no way I'm not going to

1111
00:48:32,186 --> 00:48:34,826
Speaker 6: do this. So and coach the board was great. He

1112
00:48:34,906 --> 00:48:37,026
Speaker 6: understood kind of my predicament that I was in. So,

1113
00:48:38,106 --> 00:48:40,026
Speaker 6: you know, education, I would say, is a big part

1114
00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:42,346
Speaker 6: of my life, but a lot of time, you know,

1115
00:48:42,386 --> 00:48:44,986
Speaker 6: and be able to message that to my daughters certainly

1116
00:48:45,026 --> 00:48:45,626
Speaker 6: be important.

1117
00:48:45,746 --> 00:48:48,106
Speaker 5: So I was able to finish my MBA.

1118
00:48:48,426 --> 00:48:51,666
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm interested in finance, I'm interested in investments.

1119
00:48:51,746 --> 00:48:54,626
Speaker 5: I was at the time. I still am to this day.

1120
00:48:55,386 --> 00:48:58,666
Speaker 6: So finished off that kind of January until June, and

1121
00:48:58,706 --> 00:49:01,786
Speaker 6: then in February of one. At the time, Josh had

1122
00:49:01,826 --> 00:49:04,426
Speaker 6: been hired by New England to be kind of QC

1123
00:49:04,626 --> 00:49:09,146
Speaker 6: quality control. So obviously our relationship goes back to our

1124
00:49:09,186 --> 00:49:12,106
Speaker 6: time together at you know, John Carroll, so that he

1125
00:49:12,146 --> 00:49:14,866
Speaker 6: had mentioned that, hey, there might be an opportunity in

1126
00:49:14,906 --> 00:49:17,586
Speaker 6: New England as a scouting assistant. Would you be interested

1127
00:49:17,586 --> 00:49:19,386
Speaker 6: in kind of play a personnel And at the time

1128
00:49:19,426 --> 00:49:21,226
Speaker 6: I had no idea what player personnel in the NFL

1129
00:49:21,386 --> 00:49:23,426
Speaker 6: was like zero, Like no idea.

1130
00:49:23,306 --> 00:49:23,746
Speaker 2: Did you even?

1131
00:49:23,826 --> 00:49:26,266
Speaker 1: I mean, so, so Josh McDaniels is working there already

1132
00:49:26,306 --> 00:49:28,626
Speaker 1: and you get this call and you're thinking, was it

1133
00:49:28,666 --> 00:49:29,986
Speaker 1: was the NFL even a thought.

1134
00:49:30,906 --> 00:49:32,026
Speaker 5: No, Peter, not at all.

1135
00:49:32,146 --> 00:49:34,786
Speaker 6: I mean I was certainly happy enjoying what I was

1136
00:49:34,826 --> 00:49:37,146
Speaker 6: doing in college. I thought, Okay, my next opportunity, maybe

1137
00:49:37,146 --> 00:49:39,986
Speaker 6: I can get a full time position in college football somewhere,

1138
00:49:39,986 --> 00:49:42,146
Speaker 6: maybe be a position coach or strict at earnings or

1139
00:49:42,186 --> 00:49:43,666
Speaker 6: whatever the natural progression was.

1140
00:49:44,386 --> 00:49:46,266
Speaker 5: So so I was.

1141
00:49:46,186 --> 00:49:49,146
Speaker 6: Working through Central Central and then you know, the middle

1142
00:49:49,226 --> 00:49:51,746
Speaker 6: of it was like June, June. We were just about

1143
00:49:51,746 --> 00:49:53,426
Speaker 6: to finish up, you know, and Josh said, hey, look,

1144
00:49:53,466 --> 00:49:55,346
Speaker 6: you know there's a position. Would you be interested? And

1145
00:49:55,426 --> 00:49:57,906
Speaker 6: I said, sure, I'll come up in interview, so I'll

1146
00:49:57,906 --> 00:50:01,066
Speaker 6: never forget. I got the call Nancy Meyer, who's one

1147
00:50:01,146 --> 00:50:03,306
Speaker 6: of to this day one of my best friends, who

1148
00:50:03,546 --> 00:50:07,066
Speaker 6: i'd say has the biggest influence in my life as anybody.

1149
00:50:07,146 --> 00:50:09,906
Speaker 6: So she connected me. Scott at the time was overseeing

1150
00:50:09,906 --> 00:50:13,946
Speaker 6: personnel and New Yeah. So Nancy said, hey, can you

1151
00:50:13,986 --> 00:50:16,346
Speaker 6: get on a flight in Detroit at whatever time it was?

1152
00:50:16,426 --> 00:50:18,906
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, no problem, this is probably midday, so

1153
00:50:19,146 --> 00:50:22,266
Speaker 6: and Detroit was probably two to two and a half hour.

1154
00:50:22,466 --> 00:50:24,306
Speaker 6: I mean, give her to I can't exactly, but it's

1155
00:50:24,306 --> 00:50:26,146
Speaker 6: a decent drive for Mount Pleasant to Detroit.

1156
00:50:26,186 --> 00:50:28,586
Speaker 5: And I said yeah, no problem, I'll I'll figure it out.

1157
00:50:29,426 --> 00:50:32,546
Speaker 5: So it was like a late evening flight, late afternoon flight.

1158
00:50:32,706 --> 00:50:35,986
Speaker 6: Grabbed my suit and went to the UH went to

1159
00:50:36,026 --> 00:50:38,306
Speaker 6: the airport, changed into my suit in a stall in

1160
00:50:38,346 --> 00:50:42,626
Speaker 6: the men's mentathroom, and then got on the plane. Got

1161
00:50:42,666 --> 00:50:45,506
Speaker 6: there that night, and then interviewed the next day. It

1162
00:50:45,506 --> 00:50:47,546
Speaker 6: was in scouting. It was a player of personnel assistant,

1163
00:50:47,666 --> 00:50:49,986
Speaker 6: so all the things that go along with that. I

1164
00:50:49,986 --> 00:50:54,426
Speaker 6: would say responsibility, scouting assistant, personnel assistant.

1165
00:50:53,986 --> 00:50:56,586
Speaker 5: Whenever you want to terament. So went up there and interviewed.

1166
00:50:57,626 --> 00:50:59,626
Speaker 2: You know, did you meet Belichick on that first interview?

1167
00:50:59,626 --> 00:51:00,946
Speaker 2: You don't even get to the Belichick level.

1168
00:51:00,986 --> 00:51:02,946
Speaker 6: It might have been a quick like hey, great to

1169
00:51:02,946 --> 00:51:05,386
Speaker 6: meet you, kind of a jove. And we were in

1170
00:51:05,426 --> 00:51:08,746
Speaker 6: the old Foxboro State at the time, so the offices

1171
00:51:08,786 --> 00:51:10,626
Speaker 6: were kind of up on a second floor. They were

1172
00:51:10,706 --> 00:51:13,186
Speaker 6: kind of hidden, so it was kind of a dilapidated

1173
00:51:13,946 --> 00:51:15,386
Speaker 6: rush for staying this but a little bit of a

1174
00:51:15,466 --> 00:51:19,466
Speaker 6: dilapidated setup. So anyways, so I went and interviewed, went

1175
00:51:19,506 --> 00:51:23,346
Speaker 6: back to UH Central and they called and they said,

1176
00:51:23,386 --> 00:51:25,066
Speaker 6: you know, would you be interested in this position?

1177
00:51:25,106 --> 00:51:27,786
Speaker 5: And I said, you know, absolutely, So went talked to

1178
00:51:27,826 --> 00:51:28,506
Speaker 5: coach to board.

1179
00:51:29,066 --> 00:51:31,706
Speaker 6: He was gracious enough to let me out and then

1180
00:51:31,786 --> 00:51:33,546
Speaker 6: so I was hired in the middle of June kind

1181
00:51:33,586 --> 00:51:35,826
Speaker 6: of two thousand and one in New England, went up

1182
00:51:35,826 --> 00:51:37,586
Speaker 6: there for a week or two, kind of got situated

1183
00:51:37,626 --> 00:51:41,266
Speaker 6: at organized, and then that fall of two thousand, training

1184
00:51:41,266 --> 00:51:44,826
Speaker 6: camp two thousand and one started. I'd say, really kind

1185
00:51:44,826 --> 00:51:47,826
Speaker 6: of got off to an inauspicious start if you were,

1186
00:51:48,346 --> 00:51:52,226
Speaker 6: you know, with coach Ravine passed away in literally a

1187
00:51:52,266 --> 00:51:55,186
Speaker 6: week of training camp, so there was sort of a

1188
00:51:55,346 --> 00:51:59,906
Speaker 6: recalibration and reallocation of responsibilities. So and at the time

1189
00:52:00,066 --> 00:52:01,826
Speaker 6: it was just whatever I'm asked to do, I'm going

1190
00:52:01,866 --> 00:52:03,866
Speaker 6: to do it. So they literally handed me a playbook

1191
00:52:04,146 --> 00:52:06,746
Speaker 6: and at the time we were literally hand right and

1192
00:52:06,746 --> 00:52:09,466
Speaker 6: breaking down the film. I think coach Dable Brian went

1193
00:52:09,506 --> 00:52:11,906
Speaker 6: through this, Josh went through it, where you literally you

1194
00:52:12,106 --> 00:52:16,866
Speaker 6: diagram each play all twenty two players, the play the alignments,

1195
00:52:16,906 --> 00:52:21,266
Speaker 6: the technique, the term. So one game took you literally

1196
00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:23,626
Speaker 6: six to eight hours to break down. This isn't you know,

1197
00:52:23,866 --> 00:52:26,746
Speaker 6: jump on a computer and input the information and evaluate

1198
00:52:26,746 --> 00:52:29,306
Speaker 6: the data. So and I didn't have any background in

1199
00:52:29,346 --> 00:52:33,146
Speaker 6: the system. I literally just got on campus. So they

1200
00:52:33,226 --> 00:52:35,426
Speaker 6: literally handed me a playbook and said, you're going to

1201
00:52:35,466 --> 00:52:37,426
Speaker 6: break the film down for the offensive staff. That's going

1202
00:52:37,466 --> 00:52:38,906
Speaker 6: to be your job during the year. So part of

1203
00:52:38,946 --> 00:52:42,466
Speaker 6: my job that was to stay a week ahead, so

1204
00:52:42,546 --> 00:52:44,986
Speaker 6: I would do three or four games and the opponent,

1205
00:52:45,066 --> 00:52:48,106
Speaker 6: and then by Friday before the Sunday game, I had

1206
00:52:48,106 --> 00:52:49,946
Speaker 6: to hand that to Charlie White, who was the offensive

1207
00:52:49,986 --> 00:52:51,866
Speaker 6: coording at the time, so that he could kind of

1208
00:52:51,866 --> 00:52:54,786
Speaker 6: start his preparation. So I was sort of the sort

1209
00:52:54,826 --> 00:52:58,266
Speaker 6: of the first introduction to the opponent. So did that

1210
00:52:58,466 --> 00:53:03,386
Speaker 6: responsibility all year in addition to my personnel kind of

1211
00:53:03,386 --> 00:53:06,706
Speaker 6: scouting assistant assignments. So that was my first year in

1212
00:53:06,746 --> 00:53:10,266
Speaker 6: the NFL, and you know, it just kind of kept

1213
00:53:10,346 --> 00:53:13,106
Speaker 6: I would say, snowballing from there. And then I would say,

1214
00:53:13,146 --> 00:53:14,826
Speaker 6: I don't want to say each year the job kind

1215
00:53:14,826 --> 00:53:17,746
Speaker 6: of changed or my role kind of changed, but I

1216
00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:19,746
Speaker 6: mean the thought process was trying to show up, try

1217
00:53:19,786 --> 00:53:22,426
Speaker 6: to put a good product out there, just work as

1218
00:53:22,426 --> 00:53:25,866
Speaker 6: hard as possible I can and make them, you know,

1219
00:53:25,946 --> 00:53:28,786
Speaker 6: want to keep me around, understanding nothing is guaranteed. I

1220
00:53:28,786 --> 00:53:31,466
Speaker 6: mean I think I was making you know, fourteen thousand

1221
00:53:31,506 --> 00:53:33,426
Speaker 6: dollars my first year in the NFL, and make work

1222
00:53:33,546 --> 00:53:35,506
Speaker 6: full time in the NFL. Living in Boston, I mean

1223
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:40,226
Speaker 6: I get an apartment with Actually I live with Clay Barnetts.

1224
00:53:40,226 --> 00:53:44,626
Speaker 6: So Clay Gary Barnett's sun was a successful a coach

1225
00:53:44,626 --> 00:53:49,586
Speaker 6: at Colorado. So we literally we were in a vacated

1226
00:53:49,946 --> 00:53:52,466
Speaker 6: two story building that got turned into apartments, like an

1227
00:53:52,506 --> 00:53:55,946
Speaker 6: industrial building got turned into apartments where the windows there

1228
00:53:55,986 --> 00:53:58,546
Speaker 6: was no locks, so you could open up and down

1229
00:53:58,586 --> 00:54:01,026
Speaker 6: and you could climb like literally through the windows, like

1230
00:54:01,106 --> 00:54:02,746
Speaker 6: if you wanted to. So matter of fact, I was

1231
00:54:02,786 --> 00:54:04,226
Speaker 6: locked out of the apartment one day and the only

1232
00:54:04,266 --> 00:54:04,746
Speaker 6: way get in.

1233
00:54:04,746 --> 00:54:07,546
Speaker 5: Was climb through the windows. So we lived in Providence.

1234
00:54:07,546 --> 00:54:09,866
Speaker 6: My first year is a thirty minute commute from Providence

1235
00:54:09,866 --> 00:54:10,866
Speaker 6: to Foxboro Stadium.

1236
00:54:10,866 --> 00:54:12,506
Speaker 2: He probably lived at the facility though, right, I mean

1237
00:54:12,546 --> 00:54:12,786
Speaker 2: who we.

1238
00:54:12,786 --> 00:54:14,946
Speaker 5: Can't exactly exactly, so you're there.

1239
00:54:14,946 --> 00:54:17,666
Speaker 6: I mean I was twenty whatever I was at the time,

1240
00:54:17,706 --> 00:54:18,906
Speaker 6: so I had nothing else going on.

1241
00:54:19,026 --> 00:54:20,506
Speaker 5: So that was my first year.

1242
00:54:20,546 --> 00:54:22,586
Speaker 1: And can I throw out some names? So like your

1243
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:26,506
Speaker 1: first year there, I think Brady's a backup. He's already

1244
00:54:26,506 --> 00:54:28,786
Speaker 1: been there a year. BLEDSOE goes down, where were you

1245
00:54:28,826 --> 00:54:29,026
Speaker 1: for that?

1246
00:54:29,746 --> 00:54:30,026
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1247
00:54:30,146 --> 00:54:32,186
Speaker 6: No, we were playing the Jets, so you know, we

1248
00:54:32,226 --> 00:54:34,066
Speaker 6: had the whole nine to eleven situation that we were

1249
00:54:34,546 --> 00:54:36,826
Speaker 6: going through. Actually, so before we get to plane the Jets.

1250
00:54:36,906 --> 00:54:39,946
Speaker 6: So you know, part of my responsibility as a scouting

1251
00:54:39,946 --> 00:54:43,666
Speaker 6: assistant was when we brought players in for workouts on Tuesday,

1252
00:54:43,826 --> 00:54:47,226
Speaker 6: was to transport them back and forth from the stadium

1253
00:54:47,346 --> 00:54:50,306
Speaker 6: to the hospital. So the Mass General Hospital is right

1254
00:54:50,346 --> 00:54:52,826
Speaker 6: in Boston Foxboro Stadium, you know, call it thirty minutes

1255
00:54:52,866 --> 00:54:55,186
Speaker 6: outside of Boston or so, so we had a group

1256
00:54:55,226 --> 00:54:58,186
Speaker 6: of players in nine to eleven. So I was driving

1257
00:54:58,186 --> 00:55:01,546
Speaker 6: to the airport and quarter to nine nine o'clock, just

1258
00:55:01,626 --> 00:55:05,186
Speaker 6: as the plane hours, I was parking the car in

1259
00:55:05,266 --> 00:55:09,186
Speaker 6: the garage of Mass General Hospital and we started to

1260
00:55:09,506 --> 00:55:12,346
Speaker 6: get some information like what's going on. So we had

1261
00:55:12,506 --> 00:55:14,666
Speaker 6: a handful of players that were in so they got

1262
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:17,546
Speaker 6: their physicals, then drove back to the stadium and then

1263
00:55:17,586 --> 00:55:20,306
Speaker 6: obviously everybody has their attention turned to what was going

1264
00:55:20,306 --> 00:55:21,106
Speaker 6: on in the television.

1265
00:55:21,146 --> 00:55:22,746
Speaker 5: So that was that day.

1266
00:55:22,826 --> 00:55:24,306
Speaker 6: So it was the week if we were supposed to

1267
00:55:24,306 --> 00:55:26,826
Speaker 6: play the Jets that week, and then that game got canceled,

1268
00:55:26,906 --> 00:55:28,986
Speaker 6: right so then we you know, shifted gears moved it

1269
00:55:29,026 --> 00:55:32,066
Speaker 6: to the following week. So during home games, I would

1270
00:55:32,066 --> 00:55:33,786
Speaker 6: go up in the press box and then I would

1271
00:55:33,826 --> 00:55:37,626
Speaker 6: actually kind of for self scouting purposes, chart our game

1272
00:55:37,746 --> 00:55:39,826
Speaker 6: so that could in put it into the system, you know,

1273
00:55:39,866 --> 00:55:42,626
Speaker 6: the following morning. So during the game, like that's what

1274
00:55:42,706 --> 00:55:44,426
Speaker 6: I was doing. So I was up there just charting

1275
00:55:44,426 --> 00:55:45,226
Speaker 6: a game, going through the.

1276
00:55:45,146 --> 00:55:47,466
Speaker 2: Game, Lewis Knox Blood so what's I mean?

1277
00:55:47,906 --> 00:55:49,026
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and then.

1278
00:55:50,426 --> 00:55:52,106
Speaker 6: Just kind of like all right, I'm just going to

1279
00:55:52,186 --> 00:55:54,066
Speaker 6: kind of keep doing my work and kind of preparing

1280
00:55:54,146 --> 00:55:57,666
Speaker 6: for tomorrow. And you know, Tom went in and you know,

1281
00:55:57,866 --> 00:55:59,706
Speaker 6: we actually almost won a game there at the end.

1282
00:55:59,826 --> 00:56:01,866
Speaker 6: And then you know, the following week we were owing two.

1283
00:56:02,226 --> 00:56:05,266
Speaker 6: Played the Colts, Okay, who were I mean, one of

1284
00:56:05,306 --> 00:56:06,826
Speaker 6: the best teams, one of the best offense in the

1285
00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:08,786
Speaker 6: league at the time with Peyton and Marvins.

1286
00:56:08,466 --> 00:56:09,786
Speaker 5: And the group that they had.

1287
00:56:10,786 --> 00:56:13,826
Speaker 6: So that was kind of my first introduction to the

1288
00:56:13,946 --> 00:56:17,746
Speaker 6: NFL the regular season, and then you know, fortunately I

1289
00:56:17,786 --> 00:56:19,946
Speaker 6: was able to stay in one place for twenty some

1290
00:56:19,946 --> 00:56:21,746
Speaker 6: odd years before I got here to Houston.

1291
00:56:22,026 --> 00:56:23,786
Speaker 2: You couldn't have been too much older than Brady, Like

1292
00:56:23,906 --> 00:56:25,546
Speaker 2: I would imagine you're a couple of years older than him,

1293
00:56:25,586 --> 00:56:26,586
Speaker 2: did you, guys?

1294
00:56:26,386 --> 00:56:26,986
Speaker 5: It's close?

1295
00:56:27,306 --> 00:56:30,506
Speaker 1: Would you guys bes like, was that like a division

1296
00:56:30,506 --> 00:56:30,986
Speaker 1: of labor.

1297
00:56:31,266 --> 00:56:34,026
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wasn't hanging out with the players, so to

1298
00:56:34,066 --> 00:56:36,466
Speaker 6: stay as far away from the players as possible to

1299
00:56:36,506 --> 00:56:38,386
Speaker 6: try to do my job. You know, I think there's

1300
00:56:38,386 --> 00:56:41,186
Speaker 6: a certain professionalism that you know, you respect the players

1301
00:56:41,186 --> 00:56:43,226
Speaker 6: and their privacy and what they're there to do. And

1302
00:56:43,426 --> 00:56:45,626
Speaker 6: my job was to work and focus on my job

1303
00:56:45,666 --> 00:56:48,546
Speaker 6: and not worry about things that you know, quite frankly

1304
00:56:48,586 --> 00:56:50,986
Speaker 6: don't matter. So because in the end, I think this

1305
00:56:51,106 --> 00:56:53,546
Speaker 6: league is about work. So if you keep the focus

1306
00:56:53,586 --> 00:56:56,026
Speaker 6: on work, keep the focus on the things that are important,

1307
00:56:56,066 --> 00:56:57,186
Speaker 6: Like that's the most important thing.

1308
00:56:57,786 --> 00:56:59,666
Speaker 2: All right, give me a Vrabel story.

1309
00:57:01,866 --> 00:57:03,706
Speaker 5: Actually I might.

1310
00:57:03,866 --> 00:57:08,026
Speaker 6: You know, so I the first year, my first year

1311
00:57:08,026 --> 00:57:09,746
Speaker 6: with the team was when you know, Scott and Bill

1312
00:57:09,746 --> 00:57:12,146
Speaker 6: has signed Mike in a free agency, so that I

1313
00:57:12,226 --> 00:57:13,946
Speaker 6: think we sent it up signing I don't know, twenty three,

1314
00:57:14,066 --> 00:57:17,026
Speaker 6: twenty four to twenty five players that year is free agents.

1315
00:57:17,066 --> 00:57:19,626
Speaker 6: So I mean Mike came in and then Mike would

1316
00:57:19,666 --> 00:57:22,106
Speaker 6: go through his kind of pregame warm up routine. So

1317
00:57:22,186 --> 00:57:25,146
Speaker 6: it kind of evolved into me throwing routes to Mike

1318
00:57:26,346 --> 00:57:28,866
Speaker 6: his I'd say warm up, you know, and he'd always

1319
00:57:28,866 --> 00:57:30,986
Speaker 6: make the comment about Hines Ward and his hands were

1320
00:57:31,026 --> 00:57:33,346
Speaker 6: as good as heines word hard to refute that when.

1321
00:57:33,266 --> 00:57:37,386
Speaker 5: You go back to his history. But Mike was Mike

1322
00:57:37,546 --> 00:57:39,386
Speaker 5: was as tough as a come. He was as smart

1323
00:57:39,386 --> 00:57:41,026
Speaker 5: as a come. He was as tough as a come.

1324
00:57:41,106 --> 00:57:42,186
Speaker 5: He was very instinctive.

1325
00:57:42,626 --> 00:57:44,626
Speaker 6: He cared a lot about football, but he and he

1326
00:57:44,666 --> 00:57:48,146
Speaker 6: had a great sense of humor, and he worked his

1327
00:57:48,226 --> 00:57:51,546
Speaker 6: ass off in practice. I would say that team there

1328
00:57:51,626 --> 00:57:57,106
Speaker 6: probably you know three, you know four with Rodney, Mike Willie, like,

1329
00:57:57,186 --> 00:58:00,106
Speaker 6: Mike would go back during practice, so when the offense

1330
00:58:00,266 --> 00:58:02,946
Speaker 6: was going against the defensive look team working on the

1331
00:58:02,986 --> 00:58:05,946
Speaker 6: cards for the next opponent, Mike would go back there

1332
00:58:05,946 --> 00:58:08,466
Speaker 6: at free safety just to give Brady a hard time,

1333
00:58:08,706 --> 00:58:10,666
Speaker 6: to try to make him work, to try to simulate.

1334
00:58:11,066 --> 00:58:12,506
Speaker 6: And he'd take a lot of pride and a lot

1335
00:58:12,546 --> 00:58:15,146
Speaker 6: of joy out of that. So and he'd talk a

1336
00:58:15,146 --> 00:58:19,066
Speaker 6: lot of trash during practice. But I mean, Mike cares

1337
00:58:19,106 --> 00:58:22,706
Speaker 6: about football a ton, and I think you see the

1338
00:58:22,706 --> 00:58:25,226
Speaker 6: way the Titans play, they kind of play to Mike's

1339
00:58:25,266 --> 00:58:28,826
Speaker 6: personality and you saw that. And Mike was a player

1340
00:58:28,866 --> 00:58:31,266
Speaker 6: like whatever he was asked to do, he did it.

1341
00:58:31,346 --> 00:58:33,906
Speaker 6: He played outside linebacker in three to four. Then we

1342
00:58:33,906 --> 00:58:36,106
Speaker 6: needed him an inside linebacker, and Bill told him, look,

1343
00:58:36,106 --> 00:58:38,866
Speaker 6: you're going to play inside linebacker and based defense. Mike

1344
00:58:38,906 --> 00:58:41,706
Speaker 6: had really never played inside linebacker before, but he went

1345
00:58:41,746 --> 00:58:43,346
Speaker 6: in there and he played well because that was the

1346
00:58:43,346 --> 00:58:45,666
Speaker 6: best thing for the team. And I think because of

1347
00:58:45,706 --> 00:58:47,946
Speaker 6: his intelligence, because of his instinctiveness, he was able to

1348
00:58:47,986 --> 00:58:50,746
Speaker 6: go in there and function. And then we you know,

1349
00:58:51,146 --> 00:58:53,706
Speaker 6: Charlie and Bill, you know, and go linees. John Rump

1350
00:58:53,786 --> 00:58:55,946
Speaker 6: in their situations put him in there a tight end.

1351
00:58:55,986 --> 00:58:59,146
Speaker 6: So you're trying to create as much value and versatility

1352
00:58:59,186 --> 00:59:01,866
Speaker 6: as a player, and I'd say Mike was certainly emblematic

1353
00:59:01,946 --> 00:59:04,506
Speaker 6: of that. And I think those are the always the

1354
00:59:04,546 --> 00:59:06,346
Speaker 6: situations that are hard. You know, Mike was there for

1355
00:59:06,506 --> 00:59:09,386
Speaker 6: or you know, on O nine and you know then

1356
00:59:09,586 --> 00:59:12,346
Speaker 6: the decision was made to to move on from him.

1357
00:59:12,546 --> 00:59:14,666
Speaker 6: You know, those are always, would say, the tough decisions

1358
00:59:14,666 --> 00:59:16,826
Speaker 6: that you have to make, and you know that the

1359
00:59:16,906 --> 00:59:19,626
Speaker 6: organization has to go through. Mike went on have a

1360
00:59:19,626 --> 00:59:21,906
Speaker 6: few more productive years and then he started his career

1361
00:59:21,946 --> 00:59:23,466
Speaker 6: in coaching, and you know, Mike's one of the best

1362
00:59:23,506 --> 00:59:24,666
Speaker 6: coaches we have in this league.

1363
00:59:24,866 --> 00:59:26,626
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, it's amazing.

1364
00:59:26,666 --> 00:59:28,906
Speaker 1: So you progressed in your career going on, and everyone

1365
00:59:28,906 --> 00:59:31,066
Speaker 1: knows Belichick as the greatest coach of all time, but

1366
00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:35,026
Speaker 1: he's got a KNIGHTE for personnel too. For the listeners,

1367
00:59:35,586 --> 00:59:38,386
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick as the evaluator, what did you learn from him?

1368
00:59:38,426 --> 00:59:41,466
Speaker 1: And you know how how important is he in playing

1369
00:59:41,506 --> 00:59:43,866
Speaker 1: a role in your career as you've been guided through

1370
00:59:43,866 --> 00:59:45,706
Speaker 1: that New England system that eventually in Houston.

1371
00:59:45,746 --> 00:59:47,186
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, massive.

1372
00:59:47,706 --> 00:59:51,386
Speaker 6: I think he's so invested in every aspect of the process.

1373
00:59:52,746 --> 00:59:53,746
Speaker 5: It's it's rare.

1374
00:59:54,066 --> 00:59:58,746
Speaker 6: I mean, it's uncommon, the level of detail, the overall understanding.

1375
00:59:58,986 --> 01:00:00,666
Speaker 6: So I think one of the things that I learned

1376
01:00:00,706 --> 01:00:03,546
Speaker 6: from him was, among many things, was just the big

1377
01:00:03,586 --> 01:00:09,106
Speaker 6: picture perspective of understanding all different pieces and phases fit together,

1378
01:00:09,386 --> 01:00:13,506
Speaker 6: from offense to understanding what's going on defense defense, understanding

1379
01:00:13,506 --> 01:00:16,426
Speaker 6: what offenses are trying to do, how they use personnel,

1380
01:00:16,986 --> 01:00:20,026
Speaker 6: what are some of the things that are important, how

1381
01:00:20,026 --> 01:00:22,826
Speaker 6: to evaluate players, how to focus on their strengths, what

1382
01:00:22,866 --> 01:00:25,866
Speaker 6: are some of the things that they do well? And

1383
01:00:25,906 --> 01:00:29,426
Speaker 6: I think just the breath and overall understanding of players

1384
01:00:29,466 --> 01:00:32,626
Speaker 6: in the league. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody

1385
01:00:33,146 --> 01:00:37,186
Speaker 6: who has that type of mental acuity as Bill has.

1386
01:00:37,226 --> 01:00:38,986
Speaker 5: So I mean it taught me a lot.

1387
01:00:39,666 --> 01:00:42,226
Speaker 6: And I think you know the fact that he had

1388
01:00:42,306 --> 01:00:46,186
Speaker 6: enough faith and confidence and trust and you know what

1389
01:00:46,226 --> 01:00:48,466
Speaker 6: I brought to the table. I mean certainly speaks to

1390
01:00:48,466 --> 01:00:51,666
Speaker 6: his humility and just allowing people to do their jobs.

1391
01:00:51,666 --> 01:00:54,706
Speaker 6: So I mean we could spend you know, one podcast

1392
01:00:54,706 --> 01:00:57,026
Speaker 6: talking about the things offense Bill, but I'd say his

1393
01:00:57,266 --> 01:01:01,586
Speaker 6: just level and depth understanding of every aspect of football,

1394
01:01:01,706 --> 01:01:05,826
Speaker 6: from you know, coaching what the punt team should look like,

1395
01:01:05,946 --> 01:01:09,066
Speaker 6: to the technique that you need to understanding you know,

1396
01:01:09,066 --> 01:01:12,106
Speaker 6: what should happen on this double team block or the

1397
01:01:12,186 --> 01:01:14,746
Speaker 6: three technique, the backup three technique, and what are his

1398
01:01:14,786 --> 01:01:16,586
Speaker 6: strengths and how the team is going to use him.

1399
01:01:16,626 --> 01:01:20,826
Speaker 6: So just his overall breath and understanding of multiple aspects.

1400
01:01:21,026 --> 01:01:23,986
Speaker 6: What that taught me was, Okay, you want to have

1401
01:01:24,426 --> 01:01:27,426
Speaker 6: is why the scope as possible? Just understanding because any

1402
01:01:27,506 --> 01:01:31,026
Speaker 6: end it's a players German league, it's very personnel driven league,

1403
01:01:31,186 --> 01:01:34,066
Speaker 6: and I think everybody has their own way that they

1404
01:01:34,106 --> 01:01:36,386
Speaker 6: evaluate players, or how they view the game or how

1405
01:01:36,426 --> 01:01:40,506
Speaker 6: they you know, how they go through preparing for an opponent.

1406
01:01:40,586 --> 01:01:45,706
Speaker 6: But I would say just team philosophy, understanding coordinators that

1407
01:01:45,826 --> 01:01:48,306
Speaker 6: typically spills over into how they call a game, it

1408
01:01:48,386 --> 01:01:51,786
Speaker 6: spills over into how they assemble the team. So those

1409
01:01:51,786 --> 01:01:54,426
Speaker 6: are all some things I think that you know, over

1410
01:01:54,466 --> 01:01:56,466
Speaker 6: the course of twenty some odd years, you saw that

1411
01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:58,626
Speaker 6: and they kind of was able to develop my own

1412
01:01:58,706 --> 01:02:02,626
Speaker 6: process and you know realize, okay, well this is didn't work.

1413
01:02:02,666 --> 01:02:05,346
Speaker 5: Here's a reason why. Just understanding the why behind it.

1414
01:02:05,426 --> 01:02:07,946
Speaker 6: So you know, I can't thank billing Off for the

1415
01:02:07,946 --> 01:02:11,066
Speaker 6: opportunity that he provided for not only myself but a

1416
01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:13,466
Speaker 6: number of people that have been in that building through

1417
01:02:13,506 --> 01:02:13,866
Speaker 6: the years.

1418
01:02:14,146 --> 01:02:16,586
Speaker 1: All Right, so you're in New England for nearly twenty years,

1419
01:02:16,986 --> 01:02:19,106
Speaker 1: you're a rising star, and I tak for the last

1420
01:02:19,146 --> 01:02:21,386
Speaker 1: ten of those twenty your names. Your name would come

1421
01:02:21,466 --> 01:02:24,706
Speaker 1: up every year for the GM candidacy at some team

1422
01:02:24,866 --> 01:02:27,226
Speaker 1: and it was always all right, there's this Candidcate and

1423
01:02:27,226 --> 01:02:29,386
Speaker 1: then Nick Casara, we he'll never leave New England or

1424
01:02:29,906 --> 01:02:31,506
Speaker 1: is this going to be the time he finally does

1425
01:02:31,586 --> 01:02:35,066
Speaker 1: leave New England. You took the Houston job, you went

1426
01:02:35,146 --> 01:02:37,706
Speaker 1: for it. What was so compelling and what was so

1427
01:02:37,786 --> 01:02:40,706
Speaker 1: appealing to that Houston job that you finally left the

1428
01:02:40,746 --> 01:02:44,506
Speaker 1: Foxborough I'd say friendly confines of where you were comfortable

1429
01:02:44,506 --> 01:02:46,306
Speaker 1: and where you'd raised a family and your daughter's got

1430
01:02:46,306 --> 01:02:48,546
Speaker 1: to go to school in the same school, and everything

1431
01:02:48,586 --> 01:02:50,906
Speaker 1: you want in a career you left.

1432
01:02:50,906 --> 01:02:52,666
Speaker 2: Finally you took the leap. Why Houston.

1433
01:02:53,506 --> 01:02:57,466
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, our family has been very blessed.

1434
01:02:57,466 --> 01:03:00,186
Speaker 6: I mean what this league is done for us. I mean,

1435
01:03:00,226 --> 01:03:03,026
Speaker 6: we certainly can't repay the people that will provide the opportunities.

1436
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:06,426
Speaker 6: And I think we all you don't want to check

1437
01:03:06,466 --> 01:03:10,546
Speaker 6: challenge ourselves, and you know, sometimes you need to make

1438
01:03:10,586 --> 01:03:13,626
Speaker 6: decisions that you know, quite frankly, you know, puts you

1439
01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:15,946
Speaker 6: maybe out of your comfort zone. Because anytime you take

1440
01:03:15,986 --> 01:03:19,026
Speaker 6: on a new situation of going to something new, there's

1441
01:03:19,026 --> 01:03:22,026
Speaker 6: typically a reason that they're sort of starting over because

1442
01:03:22,066 --> 01:03:26,026
Speaker 6: things aren't going all that well. But you know, there

1443
01:03:26,026 --> 01:03:28,746
Speaker 6: had been some opportunities at different points. I mean, you know,

1444
01:03:29,586 --> 01:03:31,426
Speaker 6: you know, Houston was a team that you know, and

1445
01:03:31,546 --> 01:03:32,706
Speaker 6: mister McNair was here.

1446
01:03:32,786 --> 01:03:34,586
Speaker 5: You know, they had expressed some interests.

1447
01:03:34,346 --> 01:03:36,786
Speaker 6: Or some sentiments, and you know, when Billy was here

1448
01:03:36,826 --> 01:03:38,506
Speaker 6: for a period of time, I mean, you know, there

1449
01:03:38,546 --> 01:03:41,306
Speaker 6: was some things, some dalliances through the years, and I

1450
01:03:41,346 --> 01:03:42,866
Speaker 6: think as we kind of got to the end, it

1451
01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,186
Speaker 6: was an opportunity that.

1452
01:03:44,266 --> 01:03:46,986
Speaker 5: You know, we thought might be a chance.

1453
01:03:46,786 --> 01:03:49,546
Speaker 6: To build something here, you know, from the ground up

1454
01:03:50,186 --> 01:03:52,986
Speaker 6: after twenty some odd years. So I think more than anything,

1455
01:03:52,986 --> 01:03:55,186
Speaker 6: more but curiosity and the challenge in front of us.

1456
01:03:55,226 --> 01:03:57,266
Speaker 6: And you know, i'd say the reputation ownership that they

1457
01:03:57,346 --> 01:04:00,986
Speaker 6: had in terms of providing people with the opportunity, you know,

1458
01:04:01,066 --> 01:04:04,106
Speaker 6: they deserve so anyway, so you know, we out here

1459
01:04:04,346 --> 01:04:07,866
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, you know, candidly, I mean the

1460
01:04:07,946 --> 01:04:10,386
Speaker 6: first couple of years probably didn't go the way that

1461
01:04:10,426 --> 01:04:12,186
Speaker 6: any of us would have hoped. But I think the

1462
01:04:12,226 --> 01:04:14,706
Speaker 6: one thing that you you do, you hope you just

1463
01:04:14,826 --> 01:04:18,186
Speaker 6: learn along the way and you just got to make

1464
01:04:18,186 --> 01:04:19,866
Speaker 6: it work. You got to figure it out. So just

1465
01:04:19,866 --> 01:04:22,386
Speaker 6: take it one day at a time. Just be disciplined,

1466
01:04:22,466 --> 01:04:24,586
Speaker 6: just be consistent, you know, try to make good decisions.

1467
01:04:24,626 --> 01:04:26,746
Speaker 6: If it's not going the way that you either wanted

1468
01:04:26,786 --> 01:04:28,386
Speaker 6: to or hope to, you know, do something to get

1469
01:04:28,426 --> 01:04:31,466
Speaker 6: it fixed. So, you know, it's a team that had

1470
01:04:31,466 --> 01:04:34,546
Speaker 6: had some success at different points. You know, i'd say

1471
01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:36,426
Speaker 6: be remiss. I mean, look, th realit. We've faced a

1472
01:04:36,426 --> 01:04:38,666
Speaker 6: lot of challenges here, you know, the last couple of years.

1473
01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:41,106
Speaker 6: But I think we've worked.

1474
01:04:41,146 --> 01:04:42,786
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a light now, Like it's

1475
01:04:42,826 --> 01:04:44,626
Speaker 1: funny because I don't want to say it was so

1476
01:04:44,666 --> 01:04:45,986
Speaker 1: dark because in the moment you don't look at it

1477
01:04:46,026 --> 01:04:48,946
Speaker 1: that way. But through the Watson stuff, through the Watson trade,

1478
01:04:48,986 --> 01:04:52,266
Speaker 1: through those different coaching stats, and now it's like people

1479
01:04:52,266 --> 01:04:54,226
Speaker 1: are talking about the Texans in there, this fun, young,

1480
01:04:54,506 --> 01:04:56,706
Speaker 1: energetic team, and of course you would have loved that

1481
01:04:56,786 --> 01:04:58,586
Speaker 1: from go, but it's almost like you had to walk

1482
01:04:58,626 --> 01:05:00,346
Speaker 1: through the mud to get to this point.

1483
01:05:00,346 --> 01:05:01,306
Speaker 2: Does it feel that way?

1484
01:05:01,546 --> 01:05:03,746
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the reality is, Peter, things are never

1485
01:05:03,786 --> 01:05:06,146
Speaker 6: as bad or good as you think they are or

1486
01:05:06,426 --> 01:05:08,986
Speaker 6: people make them out to be. So I'd say everybody

1487
01:05:09,026 --> 01:05:12,346
Speaker 6: has challenges that they face on a day to day basis.

1488
01:05:12,426 --> 01:05:14,626
Speaker 6: Every program is going to have to deal with something.

1489
01:05:15,106 --> 01:05:16,466
Speaker 6: I think what we have to do is just try

1490
01:05:16,466 --> 01:05:21,066
Speaker 6: to fix problems and find solutions, and sometimes it takes

1491
01:05:21,226 --> 01:05:24,106
Speaker 6: a few steps back in order to go forward. I

1492
01:05:24,106 --> 01:05:25,786
Speaker 6: think there's a lot of people that invested a lot

1493
01:05:25,786 --> 01:05:28,506
Speaker 6: of time into this building, through a lot of good people,

1494
01:05:29,506 --> 01:05:32,146
Speaker 6: you know, and I think the players have remained committed

1495
01:05:32,786 --> 01:05:35,546
Speaker 6: through sort of the ups and downs. You know, when

1496
01:05:35,586 --> 01:05:37,666
Speaker 6: you bring Demico into the building with the you know,

1497
01:05:37,746 --> 01:05:42,146
Speaker 6: his mindset, his attitudes infectious, and it's about the players.

1498
01:05:42,146 --> 01:05:44,626
Speaker 6: So continue, hopefully, we continue to add good players into

1499
01:05:44,626 --> 01:05:46,906
Speaker 6: the building with the right thought process, with the right mindset,

1500
01:05:46,946 --> 01:05:49,706
Speaker 6: that are committed to winning, that put the team, you know,

1501
01:05:49,986 --> 01:05:52,626
Speaker 6: above themselves, because in the end, that's what it takes,

1502
01:05:52,746 --> 01:05:56,906
Speaker 6: is reading a quote or you know, after you know,

1503
01:05:56,946 --> 01:05:59,226
Speaker 6: the Rangers won the World Series. You know, Boach made

1504
01:05:59,226 --> 01:06:02,106
Speaker 6: a comment, you know, just about like the selflessness of

1505
01:06:02,106 --> 01:06:04,426
Speaker 6: his team that they don't care about like who gets

1506
01:06:04,466 --> 01:06:07,546
Speaker 6: the credit. They care about each each other and it's

1507
01:06:07,586 --> 01:06:10,026
Speaker 6: not about you know, who did what. And you know,

1508
01:06:10,066 --> 01:06:14,586
Speaker 6: when you have multiple people and multiple players that have

1509
01:06:14,706 --> 01:06:18,066
Speaker 6: that mindset and you overlay allow over they overlay that

1510
01:06:18,186 --> 01:06:21,266
Speaker 6: with a competitive nature, you're going to give yourself a chance.

1511
01:06:21,266 --> 01:06:24,306
Speaker 6: I mean, your reality is this league is so damn competitive.

1512
01:06:24,426 --> 01:06:24,866
Speaker 5: I mean, the.

1513
01:06:24,866 --> 01:06:28,346
Speaker 6: Margins are very small, and it's designed for everybody to

1514
01:06:28,426 --> 01:06:30,226
Speaker 6: kind of be in the middle. It's kind of where

1515
01:06:30,266 --> 01:06:32,706
Speaker 6: we are now, and there's some outliers on both sides.

1516
01:06:32,746 --> 01:06:35,146
Speaker 6: So you just want to put yourself in a position

1517
01:06:35,186 --> 01:06:38,786
Speaker 6: where you give yourself a chance. I mean, what going

1518
01:06:38,826 --> 01:06:41,186
Speaker 6: into last week, was it seventy five percent or eighty

1519
01:06:41,186 --> 01:06:43,186
Speaker 6: percent of the games in week seven or eight.

1520
01:06:43,546 --> 01:06:45,026
Speaker 5: Or one score games in the fourth quarter.

1521
01:06:45,186 --> 01:06:47,946
Speaker 6: So I think that speaks to the competitive nature of

1522
01:06:47,986 --> 01:06:51,106
Speaker 6: our league for the amount of i'd say good good coaches,

1523
01:06:51,146 --> 01:06:54,426
Speaker 6: good players, and so you're either going to rise to

1524
01:06:54,466 --> 01:06:57,466
Speaker 6: the challenge and embrace that or you're going to cower

1525
01:06:57,506 --> 01:07:00,946
Speaker 6: and walk away. So again, regardless of how bad or

1526
01:07:00,986 --> 01:07:04,226
Speaker 6: good people think it's going or it looks on the surface,

1527
01:07:04,466 --> 01:07:06,826
Speaker 6: you got to find the silver lining somewhere and you

1528
01:07:06,986 --> 01:07:09,866
Speaker 6: just got to find solutions and just keep people moving

1529
01:07:09,866 --> 01:07:12,706
Speaker 6: in the right direction. Understanding that you know, you can't

1530
01:07:12,706 --> 01:07:14,146
Speaker 6: accomplish anything by yourself.

1531
01:07:14,146 --> 01:07:15,746
Speaker 5: It's going to take a team effort.

1532
01:07:16,386 --> 01:07:18,026
Speaker 6: So if you can just get as many people with

1533
01:07:18,066 --> 01:07:20,346
Speaker 6: that mindset, and quite frankly, I kind of view my

1534
01:07:20,506 --> 01:07:22,826
Speaker 6: role as just to kind of be a facilitator. Sure,

1535
01:07:22,866 --> 01:07:24,306
Speaker 6: sort of get out of the way, just sort of

1536
01:07:24,426 --> 01:07:27,386
Speaker 6: get everything on the right track, empower the people that

1537
01:07:27,426 --> 01:07:29,786
Speaker 6: are here that you believe in, that you trust, and

1538
01:07:29,866 --> 01:07:32,346
Speaker 6: give them the opportunity to do their job. So, you know,

1539
01:07:32,386 --> 01:07:34,546
Speaker 6: hopefully I've been a good steward in that respect. And

1540
01:07:34,666 --> 01:07:36,546
Speaker 6: certainly we don't have everything figured out, and we have

1541
01:07:36,546 --> 01:07:38,346
Speaker 6: a lot of work in front of us, but it's

1542
01:07:38,386 --> 01:07:40,826
Speaker 6: always exciting when you can see the fruits of your

1543
01:07:40,906 --> 01:07:42,506
Speaker 6: labor at least start to come to fruition.

1544
01:07:43,106 --> 01:07:44,586
Speaker 1: My last question, and we're going to let you go.

1545
01:07:44,586 --> 01:07:46,586
Speaker 1: You've already given us more than enough time. And I'm

1546
01:07:46,586 --> 01:07:49,386
Speaker 1: loving this. I could do this for three hours with you.

1547
01:07:49,386 --> 01:07:51,386
Speaker 1: You get to the combine and you get in an

1548
01:07:51,386 --> 01:07:54,546
Speaker 1: elevator and there's a kid there with a tie on

1549
01:07:54,906 --> 01:07:57,066
Speaker 1: and an ill fitting suit and he's got a resume

1550
01:07:57,066 --> 01:08:00,786
Speaker 1: and a Manilla folder and he says, Hey, I what

1551
01:08:00,826 --> 01:08:03,306
Speaker 1: would be your thirty seconds of advice for getting into

1552
01:08:03,306 --> 01:08:06,586
Speaker 1: the league and how to position yourself best for you

1553
01:08:06,586 --> 01:08:08,866
Speaker 1: needy to someday be a general manager and NFL team.

1554
01:08:09,066 --> 01:08:12,066
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, just be yourself, be true to

1555
01:08:12,066 --> 01:08:14,906
Speaker 6: who you are, be authentic, and just do the work

1556
01:08:15,026 --> 01:08:17,186
Speaker 6: because in the end, it's going to be about the work,

1557
01:08:17,506 --> 01:08:20,866
Speaker 6: and try to learn and maintain as much curiosity along

1558
01:08:20,906 --> 01:08:23,346
Speaker 6: the way. Understanding you're going to face some challenges is

1559
01:08:23,386 --> 01:08:26,826
Speaker 6: not going to be easy, and wherever you start doesn't

1560
01:08:26,906 --> 01:08:30,226
Speaker 6: really matter because really all of us were given an

1561
01:08:30,306 --> 01:08:31,746
Speaker 6: opportunity to start.

1562
01:08:32,226 --> 01:08:33,266
Speaker 5: Once you're given an.

1563
01:08:33,106 --> 01:08:37,586
Speaker 6: Opportunity, ultimately it's going to be about your performance, about

1564
01:08:37,906 --> 01:08:40,466
Speaker 6: your mindset, about your intent on a day to day

1565
01:08:40,506 --> 01:08:43,226
Speaker 6: basis so and in the end, it comes back to

1566
01:08:43,266 --> 01:08:43,706
Speaker 6: the work.

1567
01:08:43,826 --> 01:08:44,706
Speaker 5: So do the work.

1568
01:08:45,826 --> 01:08:50,986
Speaker 6: Remain curious and take whatever opportunity comes before you because

1569
01:08:50,986 --> 01:08:52,706
Speaker 6: you never know where that's going to lead. And no

1570
01:08:52,906 --> 01:08:55,946
Speaker 6: job is too small. Don't think your first step is

1571
01:08:55,986 --> 01:08:58,746
Speaker 6: the most important step. So just be willing to take

1572
01:08:58,786 --> 01:09:02,266
Speaker 6: it and dive right in and jump in and understanding

1573
01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:03,346
Speaker 6: that you know it.

1574
01:09:03,266 --> 01:09:06,786
Speaker 5: Could lead you astray, but just keep working and don't

1575
01:09:06,786 --> 01:09:07,266
Speaker 5: lose hope.

1576
01:09:07,266 --> 01:09:09,946
Speaker 6: And if you really believe in what you want to accomplish,

1577
01:09:10,306 --> 01:09:12,226
Speaker 6: you know there's a lot of people that are going

1578
01:09:12,266 --> 01:09:13,506
Speaker 6: to be there to help you along the way.

1579
01:09:14,546 --> 01:09:16,386
Speaker 2: So just like to you know, bring it back to

1580
01:09:16,426 --> 01:09:16,946
Speaker 2: my industry.

1581
01:09:16,946 --> 01:09:19,226
Speaker 1: In the sports media, it's everyone wants to be on TV,

1582
01:09:19,306 --> 01:09:21,386
Speaker 1: everyone wants to write for the New York Times, everyone

1583
01:09:21,466 --> 01:09:23,826
Speaker 1: wants to be calling games. But you just said something,

1584
01:09:23,866 --> 01:09:26,186
Speaker 1: No job is too small, Like the jobs that I

1585
01:09:26,226 --> 01:09:29,106
Speaker 1: had in my twenties. If I don't do those, I'm

1586
01:09:29,146 --> 01:09:32,186
Speaker 1: tucking blogging for websites that don't exist, and writing for

1587
01:09:32,226 --> 01:09:34,586
Speaker 1: free newspapers in New York City, then we don't get

1588
01:09:34,626 --> 01:09:36,626
Speaker 1: to the point we're at now where we're doing the podcast.

1589
01:09:36,666 --> 01:09:37,266
Speaker 2: We have a show.

1590
01:09:37,266 --> 01:09:39,186
Speaker 1: And I think Nick and our worlds are similar and

1591
01:09:39,266 --> 01:09:41,946
Speaker 1: parallel that like, yeah, everyone thinks they can do it,

1592
01:09:42,026 --> 01:09:43,906
Speaker 1: but you gotta wait your time, and you also have

1593
01:09:43,906 --> 01:09:44,546
Speaker 1: to put the work in.

1594
01:09:45,146 --> 01:09:47,786
Speaker 6: You need to have patience, you need to have the

1595
01:09:47,866 --> 01:09:50,386
Speaker 6: right attitude, you have to have the right mindset, and

1596
01:09:50,786 --> 01:09:53,466
Speaker 6: you know, quite frankly, like you have to put the

1597
01:09:53,506 --> 01:09:56,106
Speaker 6: ego aside. Just because you work in the NFL, just

1598
01:09:56,146 --> 01:09:58,986
Speaker 6: because you work in the TV industry, quite frankly, it

1599
01:09:59,026 --> 01:10:00,026
Speaker 6: doesn't really mean anything.

1600
01:10:00,066 --> 01:10:02,386
Speaker 5: And that's why I guarantees us is the next day.

1601
01:10:03,266 --> 01:10:06,066
Speaker 6: And again it's about opportunity and it goes back and look,

1602
01:10:06,106 --> 01:10:08,586
Speaker 6: you guys, you know, you guys have a great show

1603
01:10:09,026 --> 01:10:11,706
Speaker 6: because you put the work in and it takes a

1604
01:10:11,706 --> 01:10:15,626
Speaker 6: lot of work behind the scenes, and candidly, not everybody

1605
01:10:15,706 --> 01:10:18,146
Speaker 6: is cut out for that, but you've put the time in,

1606
01:10:18,226 --> 01:10:21,186
Speaker 6: You've put yourself in a position, and you know, it's

1607
01:10:21,226 --> 01:10:23,706
Speaker 6: a credit to your mindset because again, none of us

1608
01:10:23,706 --> 01:10:25,746
Speaker 6: were given anything in life, period.

1609
01:10:25,906 --> 01:10:28,466
Speaker 5: So it's about what we do with those opportunities.

1610
01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:30,906
Speaker 6: And reality is there's a lot of people that are

1611
01:10:30,906 --> 01:10:33,226
Speaker 6: helping us along the way, and those are the people

1612
01:10:33,266 --> 01:10:35,026
Speaker 6: that we need to lean on. The most and tell

1613
01:10:35,066 --> 01:10:36,466
Speaker 6: them how much we care about them and tell them

1614
01:10:36,506 --> 01:10:38,466
Speaker 6: how much we love them. So a lot of respect

1615
01:10:38,506 --> 01:10:41,146
Speaker 6: for you know what you've done and what you guys

1616
01:10:41,186 --> 01:10:43,786
Speaker 6: have accomplished. I mean, you know, all seriousness. You've got

1617
01:10:43,786 --> 01:10:45,946
Speaker 6: one of the great shows on television because of the

1618
01:10:45,986 --> 01:10:48,346
Speaker 6: people and because of the work. And it's no different

1619
01:10:48,346 --> 01:10:50,426
Speaker 6: than any end. It's about the people and it's about

1620
01:10:50,426 --> 01:10:51,706
Speaker 6: the work, and that's the reality of it.

1621
01:10:52,066 --> 01:10:53,866
Speaker 1: You know, my feelings about you as a man, and

1622
01:10:53,906 --> 01:10:57,026
Speaker 1: I respect you as what you're doing in Houston. It

1623
01:10:57,026 --> 01:10:59,306
Speaker 1: feels like the bedrock is there now and you guys

1624
01:10:59,306 --> 01:11:01,426
Speaker 1: are building something and I'm excited to watch it. Last

1625
01:11:01,506 --> 01:11:04,986
Speaker 1: night's game, yesday's game was exciting, and it's just a

1626
01:11:05,386 --> 01:11:07,186
Speaker 1: I think it's just a window and what could be

1627
01:11:07,306 --> 01:11:09,746
Speaker 1: the future for the Houston Texans, all those young players

1628
01:11:09,786 --> 01:11:11,826
Speaker 1: and just to throw some more on it, like Dalton

1629
01:11:11,826 --> 01:11:14,546
Speaker 1: Schultz making plays and Nico Collins making plays and Mark

1630
01:11:14,826 --> 01:11:16,946
Speaker 1: seeing guys like Shaquille.

1631
01:11:16,466 --> 01:11:18,226
Speaker 2: Griffin, like these are not just rookies.

1632
01:11:18,306 --> 01:11:18,746
Speaker 5: You have some.

1633
01:11:18,786 --> 01:11:21,106
Speaker 1: Veteran acquisitions that are making plays too. And I love

1634
01:11:21,146 --> 01:11:24,186
Speaker 1: the makeup with the team and Nick, I really appreciate

1635
01:11:24,266 --> 01:11:25,346
Speaker 1: you coming on during the season.

1636
01:11:25,346 --> 01:11:26,706
Speaker 2: We'll do this again in the offseason.

1637
01:11:26,746 --> 01:11:28,466
Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to go through your career

1638
01:11:28,546 --> 01:11:31,826
Speaker 1: more but an hour of your time after the biggest

1639
01:11:31,906 --> 01:11:34,026
Speaker 1: Texans win in probably two years.

1640
01:11:34,106 --> 01:11:35,026
Speaker 2: I so appreciate it.

1641
01:11:35,066 --> 01:11:37,266
Speaker 6: Man, Thank you, you best for Peter, Thank you, and

1642
01:11:37,426 --> 01:11:38,506
Speaker 6: keep j mack in line.

1643
01:11:39,586 --> 01:11:41,506
Speaker 2: Real quick, mccordy, real quick.

1644
01:11:41,746 --> 01:11:44,106
Speaker 1: What was your scouting report on mccorty, because you didn't

1645
01:11:44,146 --> 01:11:46,106
Speaker 1: draft him out of ten out of Rutgers, but he

1646
01:11:46,186 --> 01:11:47,826
Speaker 1: did eventually sign him as a free agent.

1647
01:11:48,546 --> 01:11:50,906
Speaker 6: Love j Mack, him and Devin. I mean, you're not

1648
01:11:50,906 --> 01:11:52,586
Speaker 6: gonna find too better. I'll give you a quick story

1649
01:11:52,586 --> 01:11:56,666
Speaker 6: on James. Actually, so he got released. I want to

1650
01:11:56,666 --> 01:11:58,946
Speaker 6: say Cleveland. It was Cleveland. I think he was in Cleveland.

1651
01:11:58,986 --> 01:12:01,586
Speaker 6: They released him. It was in May or whatever it was.

1652
01:12:02,266 --> 01:12:05,706
Speaker 6: And before he was released, I walked into Bill's office

1653
01:12:05,706 --> 01:12:08,346
Speaker 6: and said, hey, what do you think Mac? And you know,

1654
01:12:08,386 --> 01:12:09,986
Speaker 6: he said, hey, all right, let's look at it's take

1655
01:12:09,986 --> 01:12:11,746
Speaker 6: a look at it. So we ended up trading for

1656
01:12:11,866 --> 01:12:13,866
Speaker 6: him before he was released, just to get him in

1657
01:12:13,906 --> 01:12:16,786
Speaker 6: the building. And I would say everything that you all

1658
01:12:16,826 --> 01:12:18,866
Speaker 6: are seeing. I mean, you're to talk about salt of

1659
01:12:18,906 --> 01:12:21,146
Speaker 6: the earth and just a great human being. I mean

1660
01:12:21,226 --> 01:12:23,866
Speaker 6: him and them actor like it's just you don't find

1661
01:12:23,906 --> 01:12:27,386
Speaker 6: people like that. So we were excited and ecstatic to

1662
01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:30,146
Speaker 6: get Jason in the building because I mean, he'd been

1663
01:12:30,186 --> 01:12:32,986
Speaker 6: a good player at Tennessee. You know, in Cleveland, he

1664
01:12:32,986 --> 01:12:35,066
Speaker 6: had some injuries, didn't work out, but he helped our

1665
01:12:35,066 --> 01:12:38,546
Speaker 6: team immensely, and he you know, he you know, he

1666
01:12:38,666 --> 01:12:40,666
Speaker 6: went through some tough times. I mean, there's another talk

1667
01:12:40,666 --> 01:12:42,826
Speaker 6: about somebody that went through some tough time. Yeah, went

1668
01:12:42,866 --> 01:12:44,666
Speaker 6: through some tough times at Tennessee. And then we were

1669
01:12:44,706 --> 01:12:46,546
Speaker 6: fortunate to get him in New England and you know,

1670
01:12:46,626 --> 01:12:48,186
Speaker 6: end up going to the super Bowl, and you know,

1671
01:12:48,306 --> 01:12:50,866
Speaker 6: to have him and Devin celebrate together, you know, it

1672
01:12:50,946 --> 01:12:52,026
Speaker 6: was a pretty special moment.

1673
01:12:52,426 --> 01:12:54,106
Speaker 1: He might make the biggest play in this super bill.

1674
01:12:54,146 --> 01:12:57,026
Speaker 1: He knocks the pass from Brandon Cooks and he darts

1675
01:12:57,146 --> 01:12:59,786
Speaker 1: off his man to go make it. I've been honored

1676
01:12:59,786 --> 01:13:01,746
Speaker 1: and blessed to be his teammate now for two years,

1677
01:13:01,786 --> 01:13:03,586
Speaker 1: and I was so proud of him yesterday. Who's calling

1678
01:13:03,626 --> 01:13:05,986
Speaker 1: the game. And you know, I don't search social media

1679
01:13:06,026 --> 01:13:07,506
Speaker 1: for my own, but I just typed it his and

1680
01:13:07,546 --> 01:13:08,626
Speaker 1: it was universal praise.

1681
01:13:08,706 --> 01:13:11,306
Speaker 2: I was like, just like, that's my guy who he

1682
01:13:11,426 --> 01:13:14,426
Speaker 2: des it was great. All right, Nick Seria, this is awesome.

1683
01:13:14,426 --> 01:13:14,586
Speaker 7: Man.

1684
01:13:14,626 --> 01:13:16,026
Speaker 1: Go do your thing and you got a game against

1685
01:13:16,026 --> 01:13:18,386
Speaker 1: the Bengals. We're on to Cincinnati. Is such a familiar refrain.

1686
01:13:18,706 --> 01:13:19,546
Speaker 1: Good luck, my truth.

1687
01:13:19,746 --> 01:13:30,666
Speaker 7: Thanks guys.

1688
01:13:31,586 --> 01:13:35,186
Speaker 1: It's time for delivering results presented by Uber Eats. Each

1689
01:13:35,226 --> 01:13:37,986
Speaker 1: week we give out an award for who delivered results.

1690
01:13:38,026 --> 01:13:40,666
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one might not be an obvious one.

1691
01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:45,026
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Cleveland Browns defense. Another shutout,

1692
01:13:45,306 --> 01:13:49,626
Speaker 1: another win, twenty seven to nothing, complete destruction of the

1693
01:13:49,626 --> 01:13:53,746
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, held the Cardinals under seventy yards of offense.

1694
01:13:53,826 --> 01:13:54,626
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

1695
01:13:55,106 --> 01:13:57,546
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is the man in front, But of course

1696
01:13:57,586 --> 01:14:01,146
Speaker 1: you've got guys like Miles, Garrett and Emerson and Ward.

1697
01:14:01,786 --> 01:14:04,466
Speaker 1: This team is legit. They If the playoffs were to

1698
01:14:04,506 --> 01:14:07,666
Speaker 1: start today, the Cleveland Browns would be in. And you

1699
01:14:07,706 --> 01:14:10,426
Speaker 1: know what their defense is leading the way. That was

1700
01:14:10,466 --> 01:14:13,386
Speaker 1: delivering results presented by Uber eats, where you get almost

1701
01:14:13,426 --> 01:14:17,706
Speaker 1: almost anything, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL.

1702
01:14:18,466 --> 01:14:24,306
Speaker 1: Order Now, Fun Interview, Fun Podcast, Rare Monday one.

1703
01:14:24,466 --> 01:14:26,146
Speaker 2: Aaron, always a pleasure with you.

1704
01:14:26,506 --> 01:14:30,306
Speaker 1: Jason English, our friend from the iHeart Team is not here,

1705
01:14:30,386 --> 01:14:32,426
Speaker 1: so we will have to give him crap for that.

1706
01:14:33,266 --> 01:14:36,906
Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody out west and Arizona football continues

1707
01:14:36,946 --> 01:14:40,266
Speaker 1: to win. That is the official team of the season

1708
01:14:40,306 --> 01:14:43,346
Speaker 1: with Peter Scheger. We had Jedfish on August fourteenth. They

1709
01:14:43,346 --> 01:14:45,706
Speaker 1: have been one of the best surprises of college football.

1710
01:14:46,106 --> 01:14:49,786
Speaker 1: Matt Schneider, Jason Kleinman, our executives out on the LA

1711
01:14:50,066 --> 01:14:53,306
Speaker 1: side of things. They are Arizona football fans and Arizona alums.

1712
01:14:53,346 --> 01:14:56,746
Speaker 1: I know they listen to this podcast. Another win, another

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