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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two d and

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Speaker 1: twenty seven and Tana show we're setting the stage for

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Speaker 1: the next few months as Dan, Spencer Burder and myself

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Speaker 1: breakdown our plans and goals and hopes and hit lists

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Speaker 1: for the two eighteen hunting season. And big thank you

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Speaker 1: the podcast. As I've mentioned before, I've been wearing a

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx and today the show,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, we have got an all star cast

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Speaker 1: for you. We have here on one side of the ring,

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Speaker 1: the nine fingered Wonder from Another Mother, Dan Johnson. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, we've got the one and only Further Hilliard,

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Speaker 1: Regional director for the q D May and then the

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Speaker 1: fourth man in this four way is the bearded baritone

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Speaker 1: from South Dakota Spencer New Hearth. So we got a

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Speaker 1: crowded house here today, but with hunting seasons a few

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Speaker 1: weeks weeks away for all of us, I think, or

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Speaker 1: most of at least, I figured we had to get

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Speaker 1: back to doing our annual goals, hopes and hit lists podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know we're you know, don't you remember doing these? Probably?

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Speaker 1: I think we did our first three years, maybe missed

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Speaker 1: it last year. Does that sound right? Do you remember that? Man?

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Speaker 1: We've we've done it every single year, so yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: we did every single year. Basically, what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is we're gonna talk through, you know, what our

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Speaker 1: plans are for the year, what our hopes and goals

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Speaker 1: are for the year, talk through if there's any like

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Speaker 1: specific deer we're after or any specific things we're trying

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Speaker 1: to achieve. Kind of set the stage, um, because you know,

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Speaker 1: each year you get to follow along with what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing and what Dan's doing, and you know, Josh and Spencer,

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Speaker 1: you guys are more and more involved. I want to

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Speaker 1: what we've got coming down the road. Um, and then

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Speaker 1: when we're talking in November December. Everyone can laugh at

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Speaker 1: failed in achieving all these goals. Um, so that's what

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Speaker 1: I feared we could do. And Uh, I don't know, Dan,

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Speaker 1: are you up for that? I'm always up for it. Mark,

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Speaker 1: That's what I like about you. So I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you real quick, Dan, because

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Speaker 1: as a booner on your wall. Yeah, that would be

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome to get a chance of buck like that.

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Speaker 1: Though I have. I found a pair of a matching

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Speaker 1: so you're saying you have a match set of antlers

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Speaker 1: a deer you have on camera this year? Absolutely, yep.

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Speaker 1: And he is a big bodied, mature looking, big head,

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Speaker 1: never seen him. Man. So so what about the rest

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Speaker 1: of your camera pool? Any other shooters? Oh? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: this time of year. Obviously the tjoil camera pictures are

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Speaker 1: shift and the other is the harvest. Right, so when

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Speaker 1: the crop, when the crop harvest, so when the you know,

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Speaker 1: the velvet comes off, they all start jocking for position.

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Speaker 1: There's a displacement, you know, the mature bucks all plan

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Speaker 1: I really don't know what bucks are consistent in that

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Speaker 1: ones that end up sticking around for the rug. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. What percentage do you feel like of summer

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Speaker 1: now we know who it is, Dan Man. I hope,

426
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: I hope your wife gets pregnant. Okay, So my question though,

427
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: for you too. Since you've listened to most of these

428
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: episodes except for the kid related ones, you've heard Dan

429
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: talk about his hunting seasons, both what he's done leading

430
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: up to them and what he's done during the season

431
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: for now like three or four years, so you've heard

432
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: what he's been doing, how he's been preparing for all

433
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Um. Last summer, we had a

434
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: guy named Joe Elsinger on the podcast, and he was

435
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: another guy who had listened to a lot of the

436
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: past episodes, so he was really familiar with what me

437
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: and Dan do and he gave each of us like

438
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: a piece of advice or like he kind of say, Okay,

439
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: based on what I know about how you've hund in

440
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: the past, this is the one thing I would recommend

441
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: you think about this year. And I really like that.

442
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting because because people that listen to

443
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: me and Dan talk, you know, every week over the years.

444
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: They kind of had this idea of what we're doing,

445
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: and they've they've kind of heard us talk through all

446
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: these things, heard about our mistakes, blah blah blah blah blah.

447
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: So I'm curious for the two of you, based off

448
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: what you know about Dan, what he's done in the past,

449
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: and what he's told you so far right now, about

450
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: how he's preparing for this year. I'll start with you, Spencer.

451
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: Do you have any one suggestion for Dan for this

452
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: year or piece of advice or mistake he should avoid

453
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: based on what you know about him and what he does. Um,

454
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I have anything like that. One thing

455
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: I've never heard Dan talk about is, Um, I believe

456
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: these properties you haunt our shared properties, And I guess

457
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what your relationship is with those other hunters,

458
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: if you're aware of like what their standards are or

459
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: is that correct that you haunt some shared properties? Yeah?

460
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: All the property that I hunt is shared. Yeah, Like,

461
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: are you aware of what they're doing when they're doing it? Um,

462
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: what they're after stuff like that. Yeah, I communicate with

463
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: them before the season. Is I mean they take a week.

464
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: They have a week long vacation that they take, uh,

465
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: and you know they go after they're on the same

466
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: property the you know, one of the weeks that I'm

467
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: there as well, So I just try to stay away

468
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: from them. Uh. We don't necessarily talk about strategy. UM.

469
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: We talk about UM. We may talk about it after

470
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: the season about what bucks are are aware and um,

471
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: but nothing like if I was sharing a property with

472
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: like one of my really good friends or uh my

473
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: brother or something like that. You know what I mean,

474
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: We're not exchanging information, if that makes sense, right. Yeah.

475
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: I was just curious what your relationship is with those guys,

476
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: if you think that could be something that changes for

477
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: you in the future, because I haunt shared properties as well,

478
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I guess my communication with those other hunters

479
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: is even less than that almost. Um. You know it's uh,

480
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: it can be a problem at times, like we both

481
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: show up there and then you look at each other

482
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I have to make an awkward

483
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: decision then. So yeah, um, yeah, I mean I've I've

484
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: I've been there. I mean I've We've gotten to the

485
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: point now where we kind of each have our own locations,

486
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: our own kind of areas. Um, they only overlap overlap

487
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, but they're they're less mobile than I am,

488
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm you know, I'm okay with where they hunt.

489
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: I stay out of their areas, they stay out of mind.

490
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm that guy who likes to go in and deep

491
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: and be mobile, and they're kind of you know, hey,

492
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: let's wait for the last thirty minutes of light to um.

493
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, they hunt closer to the field edges and

494
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So, uh, I don't know, it's like

495
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: our our strap. We're after the same deer because they

496
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: have trail cameras out too. However, they they hunt a

497
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: different style than me, so we're not necessarily overlapping. The

498
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: only the only problem I ever can I can ever

499
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: see is maybe if I set up somewhere and they

500
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: set up somewhere, not necessarily in the relative area, but

501
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: either my scent stream is ruining where they're at or

502
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: their scent stream is ruining where I'm at. The deer

503
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: are coming through one of those scent streams to get

504
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to where they're set up. So, but you know, we're

505
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: both friendly with each other. It's not like, uh, I

506
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not cutthroat, I'll put it that way.

507
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: What about this situation though, based on what you know

508
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: about where this person hunts or these people typically hunt,

509
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: would you like access a property or set up in

510
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: a property, or set up in a spot where you knew, Well, yeah,

511
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: when I head in to hunt this spot, I'm gonna

512
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: have to blow my wind right through where he typically is.

513
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be good for me. But I know

514
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna screw his stuff, his area or something like that.

515
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Or would you say I don't want to screw that

516
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: up for him? Um, that's a great question because I'm

517
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: typically the first one on the farm every morning, so

518
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't really have to deal with that. So you

519
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: just don't even know. Yeah, I just don't know if

520
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: they are there. Um, I typically am not running through

521
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: the same Like again, my tree stand locations are a

522
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: little bit different than where their their tree stands are.

523
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: And um, I mean, if it came down to it,

524
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: and I was let's say I had an encounter the

525
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: past two days and I was making in a big

526
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: move to go in after a deer that I felt

527
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: I had pegged. I mean, man, I'm I'm gonna do

528
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: what I gotta deal. I mean, would you go into

529
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: the area that he traditionally hunts? Um, maybe if you know,

530
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: if I knew he wasn't there, I flank you know,

531
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm I flank these guys a lot too, right, So

532
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: they they will they have their tree stand locations, and

533
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: then if I see the deer working around their history,

534
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, because they have ladder stands there there, right,

535
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and so I will move based off of maybe where

536
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: they're at, or set up where they're at. So I'm

537
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: using them almost like a pinch point, right, So I

538
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: know the deer funneling around maybe the stand location, I

539
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: might I might set up down wind of them, or

540
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: even further down wind to them, or or you know,

541
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: kind of quartered away from them. So yeah, I'm mean

542
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go out there and

543
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: hunt to my best ability. And yes, i'll probably be

544
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: uh you know, I'm not gonna go in and purposely

545
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: ruin any hunts. But if i'm if I'm if I

546
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: got a deer pegged, I'm gonna go in and I'm

547
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna try to set up on that deer. Yeah, yeah,

548
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: you gotta do that. Yeah, so you you talked about

549
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: these three bucks that we've already talked about since we

550
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: last chatted. I know you kind of expressed a little

551
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: bit you said, this might be the kind of season

552
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: where you focus on one deer or these three deer.

553
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: How wi we're how is that evolved over the last

554
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: month now that you've got Narlie. Charlie like, how serious

555
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: are about that? Or is it gonna be You're gonna

556
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: shoot a four year old. I'm gonna approach every season

557
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: like I always do. This season like I always do,

558
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: and that is check out the trail cameras when it

559
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm gonna get to the farm the

560
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: first evening and I'm gonna go check all my trail cameras,

561
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: the ones that won't be intrusive. I'm gonna make a

562
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: decision on what's showing up. And then from there it's, uh,

563
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: you start going in and you start putting the pieces

564
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: of the puzzle together, and you start collecting data. And

565
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: if I see a deer showing up on trail camera,

566
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: uh say at nighttime, I'm gonna bump in further down

567
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: wherever and maybe I can get eyes on him, or

568
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: maybe I can go in and set up another trail

569
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: camera or you know, oh this big scrape opened up,

570
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: let's put a trail camera over it. Um, you know

571
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot I can't I can't say right now

572
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: because September shift, the harvest and deer not showing up

573
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: on trail camera. I mean that's a big thing. So

574
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: I have to use whatever I can to make moves

575
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and if I'm not gonna waste my time chasing a deer,

576
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: that quote unquote doesn't exist. Yeah, Josh, do you have

577
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: any suggestion, advice, uh thing for Dan based on your

578
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: historical knowledge of him? Because Dan has annual patterns? You

579
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: know he doesn't He's got annual patterns every year. If

580
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: you check his trail cameras, he's doing the same thing basically.

581
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: So do you got anything for him? He kind of

582
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: answered one of my questions. I was gonna ask him,

583
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: if you know, being on a property where he shares,

584
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: does he ever use the other guys as you to

585
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: dictate what he's gonna do? Um, So he kind of

586
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: answered that. But then he's probably not gonna like me

587
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: very much about this one. But Dan, have you sat

588
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: all day yet? No? Well, then that would be that

589
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: would be something maybe to consider a November to check

590
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: this out further. I have made steps to that. Okay,

591
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: I bought a pair of hip waiters. I got I'm

592
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: getting a pair of hip waiters. I'll have it before

593
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the hunting season starts. This will allow me to access

594
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: my property via back door. And now I feel that

595
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: if I can come into the property from the back end, well,

596
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: all the pressure in the mornings comes from the front end.

597
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch these dear naturally coming back to

598
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: their bedding areas. And that might be the kind of

599
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: all day set type of scenario that sounds good. Now,

600
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: what about all this leg work you've been doing in

601
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: preparation with your elk hunts? Is that helping your knees

602
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: at all? Oh? Dude, I've lost ten pounds. I'm actually

603
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: feeling better. My back feels better. Um, I've been working

604
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: out more. I've been doing like less like meathead weights

605
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: and like like. I've become friends with the rowing machine.

606
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: I've been running on a treadmill. Um, I've been changing

607
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: my diet. Uh, and I feel good. However, I said

608
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: that about our Idaho trip that we went on. We

609
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: all know how that turned out. I think you've got

610
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: the right stuff of mine though, Like you said, I

611
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: think you were just trying to impress me with your

612
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: packs last time, and uh think now you've got the

613
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: right stuff in mind. Yep, me trying to impress you

614
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: with my own body. I had to share a tent

615
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: with another man again last week and it reminded me

616
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: of you and me I had to tell him that story. Um,

617
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: but I bought a bigger tent now, so it's it's

618
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: much It's much more in line with the tent you

619
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: had now that I've got a family of three. So yeah, man, um, alright,

620
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break to think our partners at

621
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Onyx and they are the producers of the Onyx Hunt app,

622
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: which is INSTEADY use on my mobile phone. You know,

623
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: just last week, for example, I was driving around in

624
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: the evening scouting some back roads looking for velvet bucks,

625
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting eyes on a really nice, dear,

626
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: really big tall eight pointer with with like seven eight

627
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: nine inch prow times. And after I saw that buck,

628
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I was curious about two different things. Number one, I

629
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: wanted to know who owned that property, and I was

630
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: actually able to see that on my Onyx Hunt app.

631
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: And then number two, I wondered how far away this

632
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: dear is from a property that I already could hunt well.

633
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: On the Onyx hunt app, there's a tool that allows

634
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: you to measure distances, so I pulled that up and

635
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: saw this deer was actually only three quarters of a

636
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: mile away from a spotic and hunt. So that was

637
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
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638
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639
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653
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Speaker 1: D to get off. What do you think, Spencer about

654
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: UM about your season? Have you been You have put

655
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: out some summer trial cameras, I've I have seen a

656
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: little bit of that. What's the story there? Uh So

657
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: my summer strategy and summer plans drastically changed a few

658
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: months ago, UM because South Dakota change their archery opener

659
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: from the third Saturday in September, which would land anywhere

660
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: from like, I don't know, mid twenties of September, they

661
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: changed that to September one. And so that has been

662
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: a huge change for me because typically in the past,

663
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: nothing that I would do in June, July, August mattered

664
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: because those bucks that I would scout or get to

665
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: know um or pattern would not be they'd be foreign

666
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: to me come the end of September, and then ultimately

667
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: October and November it didn't matter. So this year has

668
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: been different because I'll have a chance that some of

669
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: those deer um that I've been watching in July and

670
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: now August. So you know, if we're talking about goals,

671
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: like what my goal is this year, I would love

672
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: to shoot a velvet buck and so I've been doing

673
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: everything in preparation for that, um, getting my stands set

674
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: up for uh, you know, September one through ten. If

675
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: I was hunting those days, Um, you know, this is

676
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: where I would want that stand, even if it's not

677
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: going to be very good come November or whatever. UM.

678
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: I've been setting my cameras up that same way. I've

679
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: been scouting areas that are you know, going to work

680
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: come September one as well. And and that's my goal

681
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: I have. You know, I would say probably about ten

682
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: days before or most of the dear lose velvet or

683
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: starting to lose velvet, and so looking at my schedule,

684
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: I'll likely get like nine of those first ten evenings

685
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: to hunt. And my hope is to get a mature

686
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: velvet buck. Dan, I think we've talked about this for

687
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: but would you would you have interest in targeting a

688
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: velvet buck specifically? Man, I don't know, it's like this

689
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: time in my life. UM. Maybe it just depends on

690
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: the circumstance, right, because I would like to not shoot

691
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: a velvet buck. But however, it depends on the trip, right.

692
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: If I'm going to South Dakota on the first week

693
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: of September and that's when I have the trip planned. Well,

694
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: I may encounter one and I better be prepared to

695
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: shoot a velvet buck or like, uh, these guys who

696
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: are going out to the high country from mule deer, right,

697
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: so a lot of them are successful before the weather

698
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of comes in and shifts some off of wherever

699
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: it is that they're living. So yeah, I don't oh

700
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: you and I it would have to be a game

701
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: time decision, what about you? Further, I don't know. I

702
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: don't really have I don't really have this like a

703
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: goal to go shoot a velvet buck, but it'd be cool. Um,

704
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: I guess if I'm doing North Dakota, I guess I

705
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: wasn't really even thinking about that. Just I'm hunted in

706
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: September at all for white tails. So I guess I

707
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: need to totally ramp up my game if I'm gonna

708
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: do that and be ready for that eight spencer. I

709
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: got a question for you I talked about I talked

710
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: about in Iowa. We have this shift right as soon

711
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: as they come out of velvet their patterns changed. Were

712
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: you hunt, do you notice a shift in September as well,

713
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: and you think that by them moving that season date up,

714
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to still catch them on their

715
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: summer pattern. Yeah. Absolutely, And that's why I said that, Um,

716
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, nothing that I would do

717
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: in August would be relevant become like September only fourth

718
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. I would say, definitely, once you hit

719
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: like that September fifteenth time, UM, you know your your

720
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: bachelor groups are broken up, the velvet comes off, a

721
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: lot of bucks go nocturnal, and just things change, um.

722
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: And I would say that there's um a few times

723
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: where I haunt that the deck gets reshuffled with as

724
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: far as what the deer doing and what deer around.

725
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: And I would say that's one of them. Mid September. UM.

726
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: For us being the pheasant capital of the world. Once

727
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: pheasant season opens, that changes a lot of things as

728
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: far as where deer bedding. Um. And so that's another

729
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: time that the deck gets reshuffled. Everything that I haunt

730
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: is is egg country. These properties are not managed for

731
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: deer or the farmers are not even thinking about deer

732
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: when they're doing things. And so it happens again when

733
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: crop gets harvested or when cattle get moved out of

734
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: a pasture into a feed lot, and that's usually like

735
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: end of October, beginning in November, and then the rout

736
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: that happens gain you, you lose dear game deer. And

737
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: then um, once we get into December and things get

738
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: really cold and snow was on the ground. Uh that's

739
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: one of the biggest shifts as well that we have

740
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: because Uh, like I said, properties where I'm at aren't

741
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: managed for deer, and so the food sources can become

742
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of limited in the deer really congregating some specific areas.

743
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: So given that's the case, Spencer, Um, you're gonna get this,

744
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, you're gonna get this early September time

745
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: from you can finally take advantage of opening days, like

746
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: just two weeks away. Um, what's your game plan? What

747
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: do you have in place? Do you do you have

748
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: a buck picked out? Do you think you've got one

749
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: patterned already? Tell me about how you're gonna get it done.

750
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: So I threw up some cameras in June and I've

751
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: been checking on every I don't know, two to three

752
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: weeks since then and July kind of through the beginning

753
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: of August. Um, I was the most confident I've ever

754
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: been on a buck. I have a big five by

755
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: five that I would say is maybe in the one sixties. Um.

756
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: That that I was very confident as to where he

757
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: was betting, where he was feeding, where he was entering

758
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: the field, and how do you that kind of thing, um,

759
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: just by what I was. I've seen him in person

760
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: one time, how he entered the field, and my trail

761
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: camera he was becoming. Uh it was almost redundant, like

762
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: he would be there every third day, the last thirty

763
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: minutes to daylight. And that went on for like three weeks. Um.

764
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: So I felt really confident about that deer. But in

765
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: my last card pool he's there even last sometimes at night. UM.

766
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: So that's a buck that I was probably over confident on.

767
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: But with two weeks to go yet, it could change

768
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: where you know, all of a sudden, I'm I'm seeing

769
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: him a bunch again. But as far as my strategy, UM,

770
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be safe. I don't want to mess anything

771
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: up trying to get a velvet buck that that's going

772
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: to kick a deer out of some betting area. Um,

773
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: you know that would typically hold him all the way

774
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: through November or whatever. So it's uh, pretty typical early

775
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: season setups, um, field edges, overlooking beans, um, and just

776
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: planning on evening hunts. I got a question for you

777
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: in regards to the egg there right when I think

778
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: of and I don't know the terrain that you hunt in,

779
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's heavy into the egg. Um.

780
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: Is there like a main timber or is it just

781
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: kind of like waterways and um uh fans cross fence

782
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: rows were these deer bedding? So it's it's fairly sporadic. Um.

783
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: South Dakota I believe is out of the fifty states

784
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: in tree coverage. UM. So I think it's either Nebraska.

785
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: North Dakota has the least amount of trees per square

786
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: mile and and work second to last. UM. So we

787
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of timber. A lot of these

788
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: d or do end up betting in low spots and

789
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: bean fields where there's uh some crper you know, a

790
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: slew or a dry slew. But then we also have

791
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: like shelter belts around you know, cattle yards where deal

792
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: with bed and then creek bottoms. Anything that has trees,

793
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: UM is almost guaranteed to have deer because we have

794
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: so few trees. Yeah, so the egg is a huge

795
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean once that egg comes out, is there a

796
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: big shift. Yeah, yeah, that that's a big one for sure. Um,

797
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, losing corner beans is huge, and then moving

798
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: cattle around is big too. I have some properties that

799
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: I have UM permission to hunt, but they have cattle

800
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: on them all the way through you know, the end

801
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: of October or beginning in November. And it's the prettiest

802
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: country that we have in this area. But the problem

803
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: is that it gets grazed down into where it looks

804
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: like a golf course, and uh, the deer just kind

805
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: of avoid the cattle and and you know, or some

806
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: place else, and they will move in until like mid November.

807
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: So the trees are super important. And even those areas

808
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: that are overrun with cattle, as soon as those cattle

809
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: are out, we'll see dear move in alright. So the

810
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: question I have then is with the inevitable shift of

811
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: crops coming out and you you hunting now this first

812
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: first week of September, what is stopping you from being

813
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: aggressive on you know, during that first week of September,

814
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: knowing that you know, as soon as that crops come out,

815
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: it's going to change everything. Well, the harvest here can change.

816
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: You know every year. Some years it's mid November, other

817
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: years it's early in November. And so I feel like

818
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: if I was super aggressive, I'm then giving up, you know,

819
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: like two months of of hunting on pressured deer. If

820
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I'm pressuring these deer on like

821
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: September one, I might not have a chance at them.

822
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: You know. Ever again this season where if I'm playing

823
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: it safe and uh, you know, hunting these field edges

824
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: where I'm I'm guaranteed not to bump anything. Those are dear,

825
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: I'll continue to see and I can get more familiar

826
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: with at least until those crops come out sometime in

827
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: late October at the beginning of November. Got it? You

828
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: know that buck you killed last year, Spencer um? Which one?

829
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: Oh man? Yeah? Sorry, you killed about twelve of them

830
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: last year, the big one, the really big one you

831
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: killed in South Dakota. I'm sorry for that. Yeah, that

832
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: was a dick move, um um, did you? Because I

833
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: remember that was kind of a surprise, if I if

834
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: I remember correct, I was a little bit of a

835
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: surprise for you. That buck kind of came out of nowhere.

836
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Did you learn anything from that hunt or that deer

837
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: or that experience that you're gonna apply this year. So

838
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: would I would contribute me killing that deer. Two that

839
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: it was totally unpressured that buck. I got married last

840
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: summer and we moved into a different house and so

841
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: that ate up a lot of what would be my

842
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: summer scouting and prep time and stuff, and so that

843
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: was an area that was largely untouched by me. Um

844
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: And so I think that deer was really comfortable. But

845
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: as far as applying that to this year, the biggest

846
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: change is that last year it was corn and this

847
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: year it's beings. And that particular spot there's some roads

848
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: around um and there's traffic in that area, and so

849
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: what changes when it goes from being beans to corn.

850
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: When it's corn, um, you know, that's a twelve foot

851
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: wall basically between those deer in that road, and they're

852
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: so well insulated that nothing on nothing bothers them then,

853
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: and so when it's all of a sudden beans, Uh,

854
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot tougher to make those deer comfortable in

855
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: that field. And so yeah, I'm kind of doing the

856
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 1: same thing where I'm staying out of the areas where

857
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: those bucks would be betting but at the same time,

858
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not going to be as great because of

859
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: having the beans now instead of corn. Gotcha, gotcha. So

860
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: so you mentioned this one big five by five that

861
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: you thought you had pegged. Um, first off, I think

862
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: it's funny that you call it a five by five. Um,

863
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: this is a white tail podcast man, that's a ten pointer. Uh.

864
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: And uh number two, were there any Are there any

865
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: other mature bucks on your radar that you've either seen

866
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: or got camera. Is there anything else that you might

867
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: be hoping to get eyes on early in season? Uh?

868
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: There are a few other deer on my radar, um,

869
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: but nothing as consistent or as big as this buck. Um.

870
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: I have a feeling if I'm gonna kill a deer

871
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: in those first ten days, it's going to be this one.

872
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't have many other mature deer that are um

873
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: showing themselves a lot or in areas that I want

874
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: to be hunting in early September. So Uh, to answer

875
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: your question, I think, if I'm successful, it's going to

876
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: be this big five by five. And what are we

877
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna know this book? As? Um? That's that's something I

878
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: was so bad at naming Dan's dear because I don't

879
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: name dear. I always to me that like that adds

880
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: some extra pressure. If I'm naming this dear, then it

881
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: feels like I have to get him, or like I'm

882
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: after that book, or or if you know, I have

883
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: some buddies that name dear, and then it's like implied

884
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: that they're actually hunting that deer when reality they've only

885
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: seen that book like once on trail camera during the

886
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: rout in the middle of the night. And so I've

887
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: always been very hesitant to add dear because I feel

888
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: like it adds some extra pressure. Like I'm looking at

889
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: my my trail camera inventory right now, and I'll tell

890
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: you what these files are labeled as. I have big ten,

891
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: no brows eight small, split G two young tall eight

892
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: young ten young split raw young straight eight. So you

893
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: you you could have a show on the Outdoor Network

894
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: with that one. So the creativity you've got there's inspiring, right.

895
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Um So this Buck's pictures are living in a folder

896
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: called big ten. Okay, So I really like the idea

897
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: of putting more pressure on you and making you feel uncomfortable.

898
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: Um so so hot, Dan, I'm gonna have you named

899
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: this buck and Spencer. You don't need to know this

900
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: buck as this name, but the rest of us will. Okay,

901
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: what do you got, dam You couldn't even you couldn't

902
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: name it Dan damn. Yeah, give me an estimated score

903
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: on him? What do you think I would say? Like? Okay,

904
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: how old? Um? I'm not familiar with this year. My

905
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: best guest would be five and a half. And he's

906
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: very wide too, right yeah yeah you uh, he's wide

907
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: and he is almost perfectly symmetrical, but he has a

908
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: split brow on one side. Okay, what's your favorite movie

909
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: of all time? Forrest Gump? Okay, there it is, Bubba. No,

910
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: that's dumb, don't I God, I'm so sorry I even

911
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: said that. Just name it, just just name it Forest. Okay,

912
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: god it, I'm I'm changing the name of the file

913
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: right now, perfect Forrest. I was hoping you're gonna say Jenny,

914
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: Jenny Forest. That will be good? All right? Um? Now, Spencier,

915
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: You've got a whole slew of other trips though, right

916
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: where else? What else are you doing? As far as hunts?

917
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: This here? So South Dakota is fairly liberal with their tags,

918
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: and so right now I'm sitting at for South Dakota

919
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: Buck tags, um, and I'm in line to maybe draw

920
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: one or two more. We'll see. There's still some applications

921
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: to be processed. UM knows all white tail? Uh? It varies,

922
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: And so I gotta think about this. The two archery

923
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: tags I have are labeled as any deer, so this

924
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: could be a white tail or meal deer, but primarily

925
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: where I haunted white tails. So it would be a

926
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: shock to me if I were to put an archery

927
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: tag on a mule deer. But I have that option, um.

928
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: And then I got to think. One of my rifle

929
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: tags is also in any deer tag, but again, there

930
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: aren't any mule deer around. I've seen one in like

931
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the last five years. And then my other tag isn't

932
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: any white tail tag, and that is in an area

933
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: that's probably about fifty fifty mule deer white tail. So

934
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: if if I don't get any other tags, and uh,

935
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I were to fill these four my guesses, they would

936
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: all be white tails. Do you have any Do I

937
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: have a preference? Yeah, Like if you were in an

938
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: area and you could shoot a mule deer or a

939
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: white tail, and what would you be like hedging towards

940
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: one or the other. I've shot quite a few white

941
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: tails at this point, and and not as many mule

942
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: deer that I would probably prefer a mutle deer. But

943
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: at the same time, like a lot of people keep

944
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: telling me, like, you know what tail hunting is it enough?

945
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: Pretty soon you're gonna want to elk count You're gonna

946
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: want to mule deer hunt and bear hunting all that stuff.

947
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: But I have not gotten to that point yet. I

948
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: am so happy like shooting a hunter and forty in

949
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: white tail that I uh, I would have a hard

950
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: time passing one for a chance at a mutle deer. Yeah,

951
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: what we're gonna sit down. Is that the same for nonresidents?

952
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: Can they get two tags too? Or is that just

953
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: for residents? Yes? Uh, South Dakota tags are guaranteed for

954
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: non residents. It's not a true over the counter system

955
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: where like you would drive to some gas station and

956
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: buy your tag um once you've got in the state.

957
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: That that's not how it works. You have to apply online,

958
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: but you're guaranteed the tag. But as a non resident,

959
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: you can get a tag that's good for the east

960
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: side of the Missouri River and the west side of

961
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: the Missouri River. The Missouri River cuts the state in half. UM.

962
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: On the east side of the Missouri River, it's probably

963
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: white tail. There are some mule deer along the Missouri River.

964
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: On the west side of the Missouri River, it's probably, uh,

965
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: white tails. Mule deer got you interesting, a lot of

966
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: opportunities there down, don't come. Don't come. You've you've done

967
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: a very poor job of hiding the success that you've

968
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: been having out there. So secrets out, Spencer. What's so

969
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: where else though? You? I know you're going to some

970
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: other places, right, Okay, So I force South Dakota tags

971
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: that will lead up most of my time UM, and

972
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: then I have some openingvites to like come on Kentucky

973
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: or Oklahoma that I might do. But for the most part, Uh,

974
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: I'll be focusing on on South Dakota. I should draw

975
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: rightful analog tag. I'm gonna go archery animalo hunting this weekend, um,

976
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm also going to be applying for bison tag.

977
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: So there's a good chance that I don't leave the state. UM,

978
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: but I'll still be busy. You gotta tell us about

979
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: the bison. I know you told me about this like

980
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: last week over the phone or something, but tell us

981
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: what the deals of that hunt. So we have I

982
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: believe it's like the the third largest wild or third

983
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: largest publicly owned bison population in Custer State Park that's

984
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: at the like the foothills of the Black Hills in

985
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: the western part of the state. And they give out

986
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: like fifty tags each year. It might be less than that,

987
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's like thirty. I don't remember. Um, but uh,

988
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: getting a tag isn't isn't super hard. You're able to

989
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: draw sometimes with like four or five points. So once

990
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: you do draw, you have a certain amount of days

991
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: that you are allowed to go haunt at like the

992
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: end of October, and your your tag can fall into

993
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: like two categories non trophy bison or trophy bison. And

994
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: so because of the cost, I would be getting the

995
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: non trophy bison tag. Um. And when you get out there,

996
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: you have to have a biologist with you that approves

997
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: of you, you know, taking a shot at or harvesting

998
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: uh a specific bison. So that's what would be And

999
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: because these things are in a state park, UM, they're

1000
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: not super wild. Like it'll honestly probably be one of

1001
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: the easier hunts that I would ever do. It would

1002
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: just be special because it is bison, and I would

1003
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: probably try it with my bow. What differentiates this trophy

1004
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: versus non trophy classification? I think age structure. So I

1005
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: think the bi elogists there are very familiar with what

1006
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, an older bison looks like versus younger bison.

1007
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: And so I think you're going off the width of

1008
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: their horns. Are they called horns on a bison? Right? Yeah?

1009
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: So I think you're going off the width of that.

1010
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: Or maybe if there's like a a younger male that's problematic,

1011
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: that he's you know, running off a bunch of females

1012
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: or something that they would have you try to get

1013
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: that one or whatever it might be that I'm not

1014
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: super familiar with. I just know it would be a

1015
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: smaller bison. So you draw a bison tag. It's sometime

1016
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: in that last part of October. What happens if it's

1017
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the like the night before your bison hunt and you

1018
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: happen to check your trailcra picture and you see that

1019
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: forest is moving in daylight, uh, and you've got the

1020
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: perfect wind and conditions the next day cold front, you know,

1021
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: the winds just where you want it. Maybe a high

1022
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: bear metric pressure, whatever it is you like, whatever your

1023
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: flavor is. Um, would you still go on the bison

1024
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: hunt because you got that tag and it's the special hunt?

1025
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: Or do you say, right, I gotta put that hold

1026
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: because Forest is ready to go. Now, I would go

1027
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: on the bison hunt for sure, But I've made that

1028
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: mistake in the past where I've you know, it's been

1029
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: approaching the rotten like a deer, just slowly been showing

1030
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: up closer to daylight. And then I go chasing a

1031
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: different tag that I have in a different part of

1032
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: the state or something, and I come back and I

1033
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: had multiple missed opportunities or a missed opportunity. Um, that's

1034
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: something that I considered with other tags I have, but

1035
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the case with the bison tag. Yeah, Um, Dan,

1036
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: do you have Now this isn't this isn't quite as applicable.

1037
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: But given what you know about Spencer, other than telling

1038
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: him that he should have kids, do you have any

1039
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: recommendations for him this season? That's Joe, dude, don't have kids?

1040
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? No? I don't. I mean, I can't.

1041
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: I can't give him a vice, man, I don't. I

1042
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: don't know. The only thing I would say is, don't

1043
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: be afraid if you feel there's gonna be a shift coming,

1044
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to get aggressive on a couple of

1045
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: those early season hunts. Um. You know, maybe even if

1046
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: it has to be like a quicker running gun inside

1047
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: a timber line to catch him maybe a little bit

1048
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: before daylight. I don't know, that's just I guess that's

1049
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: just what I would try to do. If I had

1050
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: a deer coming out on a field edge and it's

1051
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: a little bit past dark, I'd probably be a little

1052
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: bit more aggressive and bump into maybe a stage area

1053
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: or a first kind of pinch point between where you

1054
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: think he's betting. All given the correct wind direction, of course,

1055
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: so you probably do. I'm assuming a lot of your

1056
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: hunt adjustments, Spencer. Is it more observation based than trail

1057
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: camera base? Just because the fact there is so little

1058
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: timber that you can just see much farther was that?

1059
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Would you say that's accurate? Yes? I would say that

1060
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: if I'm moving a stand location mid season or something,

1061
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: it's because I was hunting a different stand and you know,

1062
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: saw a buck using a different trail or in a

1063
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: different area. Um, I I don't get a ton of

1064
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: relevant information from my trail camera. So yeah, I would

1065
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: say that it's mostly observation based. I love hunting places

1066
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: like that where you can see far because number one,

1067
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a huge just tool. Just being able to

1068
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: observe from a distance is so helpful. And that's a

1069
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: harder thing to do here in place like Michigan with

1070
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: so much timber um in flat land, there's just not

1071
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: a whole lot of great observation points. But I love

1072
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: going to places, you know, like out west, where you

1073
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: can see so much further like that. I mean, that's

1074
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: just fun. It's just fun to be able to see deer,

1075
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: lots of deer, and observe that movement, even if it's

1076
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: out of shooting range. That's just that's just a cool.

1077
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: So I'm jealous of you from that perspective. Um, And

1078
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: on that front talking about hunting these big, wide open places, Um, further,

1079
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: are you hunting North Coota this year? Is that actually

1080
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen? We'll see. I gotta make my mind up

1081
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: here real quick. I'm I'm probably gonna make my decision

1082
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: here this week. And uh, I got some things I

1083
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: gotta work around with work, see if I can get

1084
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: those rearranged. But I think if I can do that,

1085
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a go. It's two

1086
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: weeks a week, I know it's two weeks away, so

1087
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: I'll probably be out there. I don't think I'm gonna

1088
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: be able to get out there the first, um September one.

1089
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I gotta look at a calendar here real quick, if

1090
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: you'll pull up, I think I'm gonna try to get

1091
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: out there like that Tuesday. So like the fourth, September four.

1092
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: How long are you gonna be a budget to it?

1093
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Probably a week, probably a wee probably till the eleventh.

1094
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: So here's here's my dilemma that I'm torn between. Is

1095
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: that my original plan was to go to Montana for

1096
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: well then you know, actually, now that you just told

1097
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: me that, that makes this decision much easier for me, Um,

1098
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: because I was if you were going to go there

1099
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: for opening Day in North Dakota, I was seriously considering

1100
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: joining you there just because it'd be fun to be

1101
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: hunting together for a few days and then hopefully fill

1102
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: a tag in you know, three or four or five days,

1103
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: and then still have time to go to Montana. But

1104
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: if you're not going to be there to the fourth anyways,

1105
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go Montana first and hope that I

1106
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: can get it done there, and then maybe by the

1107
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: time I get it done, you know, you'll be just

1108
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: arriving or only starting there, so that could work. Um,

1109
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: what are you gonna be How long are you gonna

1110
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: be out there for? I have from like September one

1111
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: through the tenth that I've kind of budgeted for those

1112
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: that hunt Montana hunt, and then you know, now that

1113
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: you're going to Dakota, I'm gonna try to make it happen,

1114
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: make it work, to sneak over there too. Um. So

1115
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: have you been have you been thinking about anymore? Have

1116
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: you thought through have you looked at any more maps?

1117
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: Because I'm yeah, I've been. I've been looking at it

1118
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: on not ex I've just been looking at that stuff

1119
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: a lot here and out there, just trying to figure

1120
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: out some places. I got a pretty good idea of

1121
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: where I want to go, where I'm going to stay

1122
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: in camp and all that good stuff. Um, and then

1123
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: some of it's just gonna be get out there. I'll

1124
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: probably I'm probably not going to hunt the mornings. Um,

1125
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: just use that time to do a little scouting or

1126
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: do some glassing and see what I can, you know,

1127
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: see what I can figure out where they're, where they're going,

1128
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, and then try to set up

1129
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: on them in the afternoon and kind of do a

1130
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: little bit driving around out there and kind of ground

1131
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: tooth and the stuff that we weren't able to get

1132
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: to um when out and shed hunted. Yeah, you um

1133
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: see here and me mobile here and be kind of

1134
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: running down and right, didn't you You've kind of put

1135
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: together a new mobile set up this year, isn't that right?

1136
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: A little bit? Um, I'm just kind of tweaking up

1137
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: from what I had. But I was just so sick

1138
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: of like carrying sticks on the bottom of my backpack

1139
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: and making all sorts of noise and they never stayed together.

1140
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: So I got some of those, um got what they

1141
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: call the talents mark, is that what they're called? Yeah,

1142
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: So I got those. Are gonna strap them on the

1143
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: back of my tree stand. Hopefully, well we'll be a

1144
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: little bit easier. I was talking about maybe thinking about

1145
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: maybe getting some like individual steps and just be a

1146
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: little bit more lightweight. But then I got to thinking,

1147
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like strapping up ten or twelve steps

1148
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: every every time I'm going in. And um, I've got

1149
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: the muddy sticks with the kind of the rope attachment

1150
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: system that I really like. They're quiet, they're they're easy

1151
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: to use, um, but they're just a little clunky getting

1152
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: it out. So I'm hoping those stick talents will will work,

1153
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: um well for what I want. And uh, I've got

1154
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: a I got a new tree stand last year. I

1155
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: got the xop Vanish I think it's called. UM. Really

1156
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: like that really comfortable, really light, easy to get in

1157
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: and out and up in the tree. Um. So I'm

1158
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: just trying to fine tune that and I think I'm

1159
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: think I'm where I want to be. But then you

1160
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: got me thinking about trying to harness a couple of

1161
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: weeks ago when you had that podcast talking about the

1162
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: harness stuff. So now I'm toying around with that. So

1163
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna stick with the tree stand. But man,

1164
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: the saddle stuff is really intriguing. Yeah, I still haven't

1165
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: gotten mine, so I'm hoping i'll have I'll have one

1166
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: of them in time for that hunt. But it is

1167
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: really very intriguing option. Um, So what are you thinking

1168
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: for that hunt? What's your what's your what's your goal there?

1169
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: What are you gonna shoot? Anything that would be remotely mature?

1170
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to kill a three and a

1171
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: half year old. Um, that's kind of it's kind of

1172
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: my goal anywhere I go. Really, I mean, I try

1173
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: not to differentiate it too much from from where I'm at,

1174
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: But you know, if I get out there and there's

1175
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: just an abundant amount of those three and a half

1176
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: year olds, maybe I'll try to be a little bit

1177
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: more selective. But if I'm spending the time to drive

1178
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: all the way out there, and and I don't want to,

1179
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill the first thing I see,

1180
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: but I don't want to. I don't want to be

1181
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: too picky and then go with an unfilled tag. Um,

1182
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: if there's anything that remotely makes me happy, I'm gonna

1183
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make it happen. So you'd shoot?

1184
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: Would you shoot? Let let's say it's like a really

1185
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of like average run of the mill, three and

1186
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: a half year old buck. You see the very first

1187
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: night you're out, you're out there, you're like an hour

1188
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: in and like like a nice buck, I oh it's

1189
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: a nice buck. Definitely. A three year old comes walking by,

1190
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: he's at twenty five yards, you're gonna shoot him right away?

1191
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: Or do You're like, you gotta see what else is

1192
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: out here. You've only been here an hour. Yeah, No,

1193
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a that's a conundrum I would face.

1194
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: I probably would not shoot that buck the first night. Um,

1195
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: if we're like, but then that's the old adage, you know,

1196
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: don't pass the don't pass the deer the first day

1197
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: that you kill on the last day. So this is

1198
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: North Dakota right further Yeah, right, so can other tag

1199
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I probably would only get one

1200
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: if I did, you know, I probably only do one.

1201
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: Um if you can even get a second teg, I

1202
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that. I don't know the

1203
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: answer to that. But man, we found some nice just

1204
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: like really quality sheds water out there, so I think

1205
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: I have a decent idea of what's running out running

1206
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: around out there. Um. So if it was something that

1207
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: was like whoa, Okay, that that looks like a real

1208
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: nice you know, first night, I probably would pull the trigger. Um.

1209
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: But if it was just kind of like ah, if

1210
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: if I questioned at all, I wouldn't. I don't know

1211
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: if that gives you a real straight answer, because I

1212
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: don't even know if I know. But um, it just

1213
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: had to be a heat of the moment kind of thing.

1214
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: I think. Now, what if you've got to no questions

1215
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: to ask? Like nice buck? Definitely three, maybe four? Um,

1216
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: he's in front of you, but then the drop time

1217
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: buck is a hundred yards behind him, but heading your way.

1218
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: Do you take the Yeah, nice buck, that's a sure thing.

1219
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: Or do you wait and see if the draft time

1220
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: or will come by. Where are we at during the week, Uh,

1221
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 1: we'll say we're middle of the week exactly, dead center.

1222
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, you and your scenarios you did, Yeah, shoot

1223
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: the one that was in front of me, and shoot

1224
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: the one that was in front of me. Is that

1225
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: the right call, Spencer? Uh? Yeah, I shoot that one.

1226
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: If you're out of state public land like that, for sure,

1227
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: you shoot that buck. You get out of your tree stand,

1228
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: you go scare the ship out of that buck so

1229
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 1: he goes. Not turn the rest of the year market

1230
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: on your map and go hunt him the next year.

1231
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: It sounds like a good plan, Dan, I thought you

1232
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: were gonna say scare the ship off any deer that

1233
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: are near marks stand. I can see that happening too. Um. Yeah, man,

1234
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really cool hunt. I'm yeah. In

1235
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: a perfect world, I'll finish off Montana in like four

1236
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: or five days and meet you there right in time.

1237
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: And Um, like you said, we did see good sign

1238
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 1: and I think there's some promise there, so for sure

1239
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: the rest of you go ahead, Spencer. Will your standards change?

1240
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: Maybe you already answered this, but will your standards change

1241
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: like the last one or two days of that hunt?

1242
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: Would you then shoot like a two and a half

1243
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: year old if it came out? I probably wouldn't. Probably

1244
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot a younger, dear, Um if I if I

1245
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: think he's three and a half, i'd shoot him. I

1246
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't shoot a young deer just to fill a tag. Um. Um,

1247
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I haven't really even thought

1248
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: about that. Um, that's a good question. Who is that

1249
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: damn that asset? Yeah, I'll have to think about that one.

1250
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: If I just wanted to fill my tag with the dough,

1251
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: and again, I have to look at the regulations see

1252
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: if I could even do that. Um, you know, I'm

1253
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: not sure those honestate hunts. So it's always the last

1254
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: five minutes of the last night when the big boy

1255
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: rose through. Well that's how that's how it happens on

1256
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: TV anyway, And everything on TV is reality, Josh exactly.

1257
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: So I probably would not shoot a dough Dan, I

1258
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't shoot a do out there. I'm hoping to

1259
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: kill a couple of dolls in Michigan this year. Um,

1260
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I shoot a dough out there. The

1261
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: rest of your season, Josh, is kinda different than usual,

1262
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: right this year. Yeah, it's kind of weird because of

1263
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: our Ohio debacle. Um, so what's what's your plan for

1264
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. What kind of goals and

1265
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Speaker 1: thoughts do you have about the rest of the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a different year, and um, you know, I'll

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: be completely honest, I was totally totally complacent with the

1268
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: whole Ohio thing and and really just was relying on that.

1269
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know why it was, knowing the situation

1270
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: that we were in, we knew it wasn't gonna be forever,

1271
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: but I just kind of got lazy and didn't really

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: find any backup spots down there and um, you know,

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01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: paying for it now. But um, I kind of mainly

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: just relying on public land this year in Michigan. I've

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: got a couple of of opportunities where some some private

1276
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: might work out. But um, the more I've been thinking,

1277
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited about it. Um not being limited

1278
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: to just a couple of spots. I've I've got quite

1279
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: a few, um areas around me that I'm gonna check

1280
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: out this year, and I'm just gonna try to be

1281
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: real aggressive and um and not worry about not worry about,

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, blowing something out. And I'm gonna kind of

1283
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: just be aggressive all season long if I can and

1284
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: get in some places that maybe I wouldn't have gone

1285
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: in the past, and see see what I can make happen.

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: If if nothing happens, so be it. Um. But man,

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: it would be pretty cool if if I could run

1288
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: into a three and a half year old Michigan and

1289
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: public land, that'd be pretty cool. Um. I've got a

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: I've got a small place up north. My my in

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: laws have a little ten acres up up in northern

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01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: Michigan that I've got a camera out and I hung

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: a stand a couple of weeks ago and did a

1294
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: couple of things up there to get that ready. UM,

1295
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: try to hunt that maybe a little bit more this year.

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01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: But um yeah, really really, I don't have any other

1297
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: trail cameras out besides that. So I'm just gonna kinda

1298
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: you go back the seat of my pants and see

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: what happens. And it's kind of exciting at the same time, UM,

1300
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: not really being not really know on what's out there.

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I got a question, what what's the

1302
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: chances that let's say you strike out in the Dakotas

1303
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: you come you come home, and you know, you do

1304
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: your thing in Michigan. But is there a chance that

1305
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: you're being able to make a second trip out to

1306
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: North Dakota to hunt. Yeah, that'd be a possibility if

1307
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: I could. I could probably work that into my into

1308
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: my schedule to get back out there, maybe for four

1309
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: or five days or something. Um, I could probably make

1310
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: that happen if I needed to. I hope I don't,

1311
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: but UM, it could definitely definitely be an option. It's

1312
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: a cool area. Yeah, it's just as a long drive.

1313
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that's super because yeah it's it's a long drive. Um,

1314
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: so goals then this year, whether there being you're hoping

1315
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 1: to kill a three and half yell in North Dakota

1316
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be three and a half for

1317
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: public land in Michigan too. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm

1318
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna go for it and see what happens. And like

1319
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: I said, if if I don't kill a buck, I

1320
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,959
Speaker 1: don't kill a buck. Um applied for some public land

1321
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: public land doe license stuff. I can kill a doe,

1322
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be cool too. I mean, you don't

1323
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 1: see a ton of them on public land. So, um,

1324
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: is there is there anything you do differently this year?

1325
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: Because because last year, I know you you did some

1326
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: exploring of some of the public land around you where

1327
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: you're at. Anything this year that you know you want

1328
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 1: to do differently or that you learned from that experience

1329
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, yeah, check out more places. I kind

1330
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: of I kind of got zeroed in on like two

1331
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: different you know, two different pieces that I was going to.

1332
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: I'd i'd move around while I was there, But I

1333
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: want to go check out some of these other spots that, um,

1334
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: I've looked at on that and now I've kind of

1335
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: walked some of them. Um, so I just want to.

1336
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be

1337
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: committed to just one spot or two spots. UM, just

1338
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: be willing to kind of go outside of my comfort

1339
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: zone check out some some new areas. Yeah. Did did

1340
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: you guys try getting any private access in North Dakota

1341
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: or is the public so expansive where you're at that

1342
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: you don't need it? We didn't, Um, and it wasn't

1343
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much that, um, there's so much public.

1344
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: It was more so that we just didn't enough time. Um,

1345
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of we're kind of more focused on shed

1346
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: hunting than scouting. And we had you know, six days

1347
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we figured out hit these main public

1348
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: spots we wanted to and then we also want to

1349
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: check out this stuff in Montana. So then we went

1350
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: to Montana to to do that because I wanted to

1351
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: do a little shed hunting and scouting there as well.

1352
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: So it was just more so the fact that if

1353
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: we had more time down there, I think it definitely

1354
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: would have made sense to try to get some permission, um,

1355
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of good look and stuff

1356
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: that is under private ownership. UM. I think that's a

1357
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: possibility once the season starts. You never know, especially out

1358
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: there there's just not as many people, not as much pressure. Um,

1359
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: there's probably a little bit better chance of getting permission

1360
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: kind of last minute like that, especially you know early

1361
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: bow season. Hey we're just here for three more days.

1362
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: Any chance we could you know, sit out here a

1363
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,560
Speaker 1: couple of times. Um, there's a chance that could work out. Um,

1364
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: but kind of like you said, Josh, hopefully don't need

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01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: to do that, but if you do. I believe that

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: North Dakota is a purple fence post state where if

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: it's not posted no hunting that you can legally trespass.

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01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: That's probably not very helpful with like archery equipment, but

1369
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: maybe that would give you an indication of landowners that

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: are you know, possibly open to hunting if their land

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01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: isn't posted. That would give you better odds of you know,

1372
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: finding a place that you could get permission for. Yeah,

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01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: that's such a that's such a weird thing to me,

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: Like I I never would even think about that because

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: I've forgot just in Michigan or wherever else, you would

1376
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: never think that would be okay. But for those that

1377
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: aren't familiar that can you explain that Spencer so there

1378
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: are some states and it's fairly random. I'm not even

1379
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: familiar with which other ones there are. I think maybe

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01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: one of the Carolinas is that way. North Dakota is

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01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: that way. Um. And then there's like some parts of

1382
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: other states, like in South Dakota, for example, there are

1383
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: some areas where if the property is not posted no hunting,

1384
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: that you can then legally trespass and haunt that property. Now,

1385
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: the regulations are more specific than that as far as

1386
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: what's allowed and what's not allowed, but that's kind of

1387
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: a simple way to put it. And there's also some

1388
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: areas that, um, if the property isn't posted for no hunting,

1389
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: that it's also acceptable to paint your corner post purple,

1390
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: which then indicates no trespassing. M hm, wow that's unique.

1391
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: What about, um? What about what are the laws over

1392
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: there by you, Spencer? As far as recovering dear like

1393
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot of states by us here, like you can't

1394
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: even you can't trespass even to recover a deer. You

1395
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: need written permission to recover a deer over property lines?

1396
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: What's that by you? So to recover a deer you

1397
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: need permission? Um? But where I'm at Um, you know

1398
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: it's uh, very small town field. You know all the

1399
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: landowners around you. You you probably know where they live

1400
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: or know their phone number. And on very rare occasions

1401
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: I would say people have problems with that. But otherwise

1402
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: it's you know, usually as easy as a phone call

1403
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: or a go and knock on their door and they say, hell, yeah,

1404
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, go get it. We have. We have some

1405
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: other unique laws too because of our pheasant hunting. Like, uh,

1406
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: I believe you're allowed to make on armed retrievals of

1407
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: small game like a pheasant if it lands on private property. Um.

1408
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: Some people would get that confused with like deer recovery laws. Um.

1409
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: But as far as like a deer goes, um to

1410
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: cross the fence line or go into another property, you

1411
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: need to have permission. M. Interesting. Um, it's hard to

1412
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 1: keep track of this. All the different states have so

1413
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: many different ways of approaching that kind of stuff. It's

1414
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: just another reminder to me, how like, every time you

1415
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: hunt somewhere new, you really need to like scour the

1416
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: regulation books because every one of these states got wonky

1417
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,520
Speaker 1: different things like that. I uh, you can't make any assumptions.

1418
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the one thing you should always remember. Yes,

1419
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: So I I know a few people who have hunted

1420
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: North Dakota in the pastor at family in North Dakota,

1421
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: And what I've been told is that it used to

1422
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: be really great for that. Uh you know that not

1423
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: a whole lot of landowners had stuff posted. But the

1424
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: oil boom happened and you had a huge, huge influx

1425
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: of um out of staters that were living there for

1426
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, six months, twelve months at a time, and

1427
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of them were early twenties men or whatever.

1428
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: That A lot of ground then became posted after that.

1429
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: So I think the North Dakota strategy of hunting like

1430
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: that has changed, like in the last decade or so.

1431
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: Versus what it was like in the early two thousands,

1432
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: you would have had a lot more opportunity. Um. But

1433
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: that's just weird to think about. And maybe that'll flip

1434
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: again here um as the oil industry kind of leaves

1435
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: North Dakota. All right, that is an interesting thing to

1436
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: think about. I have it. I have it pulled up here.

1437
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: This is from the North Dakota Game and Fish website.

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01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: No hunting is allowed without permission from the landowner or

1439
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: leasy on private lands. In North Dakota that have been posted.

1440
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: So there we go. But if it's on posted, if

1441
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: it's on posted, yes, I believe look into that more

1442
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,879
Speaker 1: before you go after here. I believe that's the case. Okay,

1443
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: that's good to know. Good little tip there, Spencer, thanks

1444
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: for that artward pause here for the last break of

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: this episode, and just want to thank our partners at

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Speaker 1: White Tailed Properties for their support. And we're back today

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Speaker 1: with another one of my quick YouTube recommendations. They have

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Speaker 1: this land beat YouTube video series where they're getting all

1449
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Speaker 1: such different advice recommendations as far as hunting and property management,

1450
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Speaker 1: all sorts of things like that. And in one of

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Speaker 1: their more recent videos, it's titled Fall Food Plots Great

1452
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: mid to late season hunting. White Tail Properties land specialist

1453
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Speaker 1: Tom James walks us through what he likes to plant

1454
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: in small woodland food plots. He likes to combine a

1455
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: cereal grain like oats or cereal rye and brassicas and

1456
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: I love that combination to That's something that I use

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Speaker 1: on my boom food plots. And in this quick video

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Speaker 1: Tom explains why that works so well, how he does it.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a quick and helpful video. That I would recommend,

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Speaker 1: so check it out. We're at the White Tailed Properties

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. If you want to learn more about their

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Speaker 1: Properties dot com. Um. What about Well, you know what,

1464
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: we better we better wrap this up a little bit here.

1465
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about my goals and some things going on.

1466
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: But Dan had to drop off early, so you guys

1467
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: now are in charge of grilling me um and making

1468
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: me look like a fool if you want UM since

1469
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: Dan can't do it. UM. You know, the only things

1470
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: I guess I would say about my hunting season this year.

1471
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: We all kind of know that I'm chasing Holyfield still

1472
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: here in Michigan, UM, and I do have that North

1473
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 1: Dakota and Montana hunt in the beginning, and then I've

1474
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: got that Boundary Waters Minnesota hunt in the middle of October. UM,

1475
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be a lot of Michigan stuff

1476
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,480
Speaker 1: after that. I'm trying to slip in a quick Nebraska

1477
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: trip to UM. But you know, so, I just don't

1478
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: know what the situation is going to be here at home.

1479
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if holy Fields still around. I do

1480
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: get the shed in January, but I don't. I have

1481
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: not had any sightings or anything of him since then.

1482
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: I've been driving around my main Michigan properties try to

1483
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: get eyes on Bucks. I have seen two good deer

1484
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: within like half a mile three cores a mile of

1485
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: that property. One was a really nice big eight pointer. Um.

1486
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: Another one was almost just a big six. He does

1487
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: have g threes, but they're like just barely an inch long,

1488
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,959
Speaker 1: So there might be an eight, might be a six technically,

1489
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: but super tall, really tall times um braw times. You

1490
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: saw a picture last night, Josh right, yea. Um, So

1491
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 1: there's those couple of good Bucks in the general area.

1492
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: But I haven't checked my summer trail cameras yet. I

1493
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: just put them out a couple of weeks ago. I'm

1494
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: not going to touch them until closer towards the end

1495
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: of the month. I'm planning on trying to, like on

1496
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: my main Michigan properties. I'm gonna try to do all

1497
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: as much of my intrusion as possible just in like

1498
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: a day or two period. So like in that one

1499
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: day or two period, I'm gonna try to finish my

1500
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: food plots, do my last couple of stand adjustments, check

1501
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: the cameras, and they get out of there, So just

1502
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of have a flurry in a short amount of time,

1503
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: but not a bunch of activity like every couple of days,

1504
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: over and over and over again all through August. Um So,

1505
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get that finished up here in the next

1506
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: week and half. Um So, I think you know here

1507
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: in Michigan, holy Field is the number one goal. But

1508
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: then a four year old, just about any four year

1509
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: old I will probably take a shot at if it's

1510
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: a good quality mature buck. Um. We do have two

1511
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: tags here in the state. Um So I could always

1512
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: depend on Holy feeling that second tag. And I've got

1513
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, my main Michigan spot where holy Field is

1514
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: a couple of the little places. And then there's our

1515
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: northern Michigan deer camp that me and further hunt um

1516
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: be amazing too shoot a mature buck up there, and

1517
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: as you've seen, Josh, we're getting some mature bucks on

1518
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: camera finally, so that's a possibility. Um. And then I've

1519
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: got this new property on the west side of the

1520
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: state where I think there's a good chance of seeing

1521
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: some good deer. I'm not sure exactly how much time

1522
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna be well spend over there, but at least

1523
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: a week in November, I'm gonna be there. So it's

1524
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: gonna be four year olds in Michigan with Holy Fields

1525
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: the number one buck, that buck Survivor. There was a

1526
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: three year old last year. If he shows back up,

1527
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: which I haven't seen him yet, but if he shows

1528
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: back up, I would love to get a crack at him,

1529
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: since I have so many pictures and studings of him

1530
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: last year. Um, Montana, North Dakota it's gonna be probably

1531
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: a four year old or older. UM. Not gonna be

1532
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: too terribly picky other than that. UM. And then Minnesota

1533
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be anything. I think. If I see a deer,

1534
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: I'll probably shoot any deer, just because I don't know

1535
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: if we're gonna see any deer at all. It sounds

1536
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: like it's big timber, big woods, few deer, very few sightings.

1537
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 1: So it's more so like an adventure of just getting

1538
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: in there and if you see a deer that's the success.

1539
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: And getting it out um is a project in itself. UM.

1540
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my season's goals, you know, in

1541
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: the main deer it's not like you know usually Josh,

1542
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: We've got our Ohio property We've got a bunch of

1543
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: bucks down there we're chasing that we've seen year after year,

1544
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: but you know we don't have that this year. Um,

1545
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be kind of Michigan is the spot

1546
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 1: with history. Everything else is going to be kind of

1547
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: showing up brand new, figuring things out. But but kind

1548
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: of like you said, Josh, I mean, that's that's kind

1549
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: of exciting and it's in its own So are you

1550
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 1: willing to I know in the past you said that

1551
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to take multiple deer off of your

1552
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: holy Field property, But is that something that you would

1553
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: consider this season that since I don't think you shot

1554
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: one there last year, but would you take to this year? Yeah,

1555
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point. Um. I haven't shot

1556
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: a buck on that property. Um, since two thousand and fifteen.

1557
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: That the first year I saw holy Field was two

1558
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: killed a buck on that property opening night and then yeah,

1559
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: I didn't try to shoot any other deer there because

1560
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: of that one buck roll there. Um, and then the

1561
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 1: subsequent subsequent years I've just been chasing holy Field. But

1562
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: this year, yes, I would shoot multiple bucks on that

1563
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: property this year, because like I just said, haven't taken

1564
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 1: any deer off this property and three years, any bucks

1565
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: off this property three years, and um, it would have

1566
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: to be it has to be a really good one though.

1567
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: It had to be like either one of these four

1568
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: year olds I know, like survivor or one of these

1569
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: no brainer dear. Um, you know, if it's like the

1570
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: biggest buck I've ever had an opportunity in Michigan, Yeah,

1571
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it because I could always still hunt

1572
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: holy Field that second tag. But in years past, you know,

1573
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: I've shot some three year olds on this property, So

1574
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's nothing. It's not the kind

1575
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: of buck that's like gonna send you over the edge.

1576
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: But in this area, the three year old is not

1577
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: terribly common either, So I've taken some deer like that.

1578
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: Um this year, no like twiners like that. It's either

1579
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna be like a no brainer, like drop your job,

1580
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: gets you really pumped holy fielder survivor or just just

1581
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: wait it out. Um. But I'm not budgeting a whole

1582
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: bunch of time to that property either. You know, in

1583
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 1: past years I hunted it too much early I think

1584
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: when the past years when I was hunting holy Field.

1585
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: So this year it's gonna be like Opening Night if

1586
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: the conditions are right, and then nothing till November unless

1587
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I get some kind of intel that tells me that

1588
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: I need to change that. Um. But you know, two

1589
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: years ago I hunted and I've talked about this at

1590
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: at Nasam, But two years ago I hunted like almost

1591
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: every weekend for him because I kept thinking these little

1592
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: mini cold fronts might get him moving. And then last

1593
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: year I thought, he know, he historically starts moving around,

1594
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: which is what he did the two years prior to that.

1595
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: So I thought, Okay, as soon as that date range hits,

1596
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start hunting him hard. And so I started

1597
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: hunting him hardy and I didn't see him for like

1598
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: seven eight days. UM. So I think I pushed it

1599
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: too soon. Now he's a little bit older, I think

1600
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: he's just even tightening up his daily activity even more

1601
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: so this year, I'm gonna try to play it even

1602
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: more cool and wait till October or November one and

1603
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: then hunt him hard during that one time period where

1604
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: he seems to be every year. The last three years,

1605
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,520
Speaker 1: he's been moving during that time frame on this property.

1606
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna kind of put all my chips into

1607
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: that basket. Um unless you know of cameras running, I'll

1608
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: be trying to observe from a distance. On the nights

1609
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: I can get away and and and scout from a distance.

1610
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: So if something that tells me to do something otherwise,

1611
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: then I will just But that's kind of what I'm

1612
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: working with. And um you know, I've been making all

1613
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: sorts of different stand adjustments and property adjustments, doing a

1614
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: few things differently with my food plots this year to

1615
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: try and make those a little bit better. So you know,

1616
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: each year that I've been hunting Holy Field, I've been

1617
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: like trying to just sweeten things a little bit more,

1618
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: just improve the stands. It's a little bit more improved,

1619
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: the food plots, a little more improved. Whatever habitat work

1620
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I can do just a little bit more. Um So,

1621
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: I definitely learned some things last year as far as

1622
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: where I was seeing them. So I'm gonna be setting

1623
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: up a few more stands this week and some new

1624
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: locations based on what I learned last year. Um So

1625
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: my focus here is gonna be much more back in

1626
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: the cover, on the back of the property versus up

1627
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: in the front towards that food that I focused on

1628
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: the first couple of years. Um, but that's kind of

1629
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: that's kind in my head's at right now, doing these

1630
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: other haunts, doing these other haunts. Mark in Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana.

1631
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Do you worry at all about being able to age

1632
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: a deer that's unfamiliar to you? You know some of

1633
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: the like the area that you hunt in Montana, those

1634
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: bucks seem like their bodies are smaller, they almost look malnourished.

1635
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: They're not malnourished, but uh, you know, I think it's

1636
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: very different than the deer you see in Michigan. Does

1637
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: that worry you at all about being able to age

1638
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: one of these bucks that you've never seen before? Yeah, yeah, No,

1639
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: it definitely was something that I noticed, um last year

1640
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 1: in particular, when I went to that property in Montana.

1641
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: I was looking at these deer and thinking, uh, I

1642
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: don't think I think that's just a two or three

1643
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 1: year old. When I look back on video later in

1644
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: the year and started thinking, maybe, you know, and not

1645
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: only not only are the different bodies sides, but also

1646
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: this is really early in the year. So a lot

1647
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: of the criteria that we look at to try to

1648
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: age bucks usually those things like how big is their

1649
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: neck or how you know, where's their neck meet their

1650
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: chests or different things like that. A lot of times

1651
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: those things are much easier to distinguish when you get

1652
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: closer to the rut. You know, in September, a lot

1653
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: of these even mature buck will look younger in September,

1654
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: much more sleek. Um. So I do think that's a

1655
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: little bit of a challenge that I Um, I think

1656
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: I've learned a little bit now that I've hunted out

1657
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: there twice, But this year I'm definitely gonna be thinking

1658
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: about that a little bit more. Um, maybe even look

1659
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: at some pictures online or doing some different things just

1660
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to try to like make sure my eye is tuned

1661
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,560
Speaker 1: to that western white tail a little bit more, um

1662
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Because like I just think between the body size, the

1663
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: time of the year, and even like the antler size,

1664
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: it's just all just the ratio. It just seemed a

1665
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: little different. Um. So yeah, that's that's definitely gonna be

1666
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: on my mind. And then throwing it bucks still have

1667
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: any velvet on. I mean that that makes it tougher too.

1668
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: I Mean that's a good point, and you don't see

1669
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: what you're talking about earlier spencer. I think I would

1670
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: actively try not to shoot a velvet buck. So if

1671
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: I had two bucks in front of me on our

1672
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 1: North Dakota Montana hunt, I'm trying not to shoot the

1673
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: velvet one. Um, I don't know why. I just don't

1674
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: have that desire. And then number two, I don't want

1675
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: to deal with it. I've heard it's a real challenge

1676
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: to deal with velvet like lots of times it ends

1677
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: up getting all messed up, or you need to pay

1678
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: to get like this fake velvet to put on it

1679
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: because they can't preserve it. How do you have a

1680
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: plan for dealing with that? Uh? No, I do not,

1681
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if it's like I'm not so

1682
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: much like attracted to the idea of getting a velvet buck.

1683
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: I think it's more that the hunting style is different, um,

1684
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, just like that time of year sitting at

1685
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: tree stand is so different when it could be eighty

1686
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: five degrees and there's mosquitoes and stuff. Um, and just

1687
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: that their pattern is different, that they're still potentially on

1688
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: their summer pattern. I think the challenge of something brand

1689
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: new like to that something brand new like that is

1690
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: is appealing to me and it's less about the velvet um,

1691
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: but at the same time, that would be something unique

1692
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: with a deer that I've never you know, had a

1693
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: chance to harvest before. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm I'm

1694
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: right there with you as far as how much fun

1695
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 1: is to start hunting that early September when I started

1696
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, two or three years ago, whatever

1697
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: it it's I'm hooked on that, like, that has a

1698
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: lot of fun. They're on that that pretty consistent bed

1699
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: defeed pattern. They're on the following those summer habits. It's

1700
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: a cool time year to be out there. I you know,

1701
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: this is my third or fourth year not doing it,

1702
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: and I think, Josh, you're gonna feel the same way.

1703
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: So that's it's awesome to get out there at that point.

1704
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: Did you have another question? I got a couple of

1705
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: questions for you, and this is this isn't uh, this

1706
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: is from Michigan. Are you worried and I thought this

1707
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: is maybe where Spencer is going. Are you worried with

1708
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: how many trips that you're taking that it could negatively

1709
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: impact your ability to have a run in with Holy Field. Yeah, um,

1710
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of taking the I'm almost swinging the pendulum

1711
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: in the far opposite direction of last year, almost too far,

1712
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: maybe because last year, because I was so obsessed with

1713
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: holy Field, I canceled all my other trips and I

1714
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: just hunted holy Field the whole year and I didn't

1715
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: get shot anything. Now this year, I'm going the opposite.

1716
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I told myself, you know what, I'm not gonna let

1717
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: my obsession over one buck like did find my whole season.

1718
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do other fun stuff and I have

1719
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: other experiences. So now all of a sudden, I've stacked

1720
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: myself up with all these other trips. Um. That is

1721
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: a little concerning to me. Um. But but the more

1722
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: think about it, I really think that I only have

1723
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: a handful of hunts in the season when I actually

1724
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: have a real chance at that buck. I think, given

1725
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 1: what I've seen now and as long as I'm there

1726
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: on that during that right time frame, I think I

1727
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,759
Speaker 1: think leaving this property alone completely except for like seven days,

1728
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: is better than like dabbling on a property like fourteen

1729
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: times but scattered throughout the year. I think this is

1730
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:09,560
Speaker 1: like my my hypothesis right now. So yes, that's a possibility,

1731
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: and I am going to have maybe a cell camera

1732
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,520
Speaker 1: two up there. So I'm gonna be kind of monitoring

1733
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: the area, and if all of a sudden you start

1734
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: showing up a bunch if I'm around home, I will,

1735
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, close enough to that property, I will change

1736
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: that plan and go in there. But there's a possibility

1737
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: could be in Minnesota or something or wherever Nebraska, and

1738
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: I could get a bunch of daylight pictures of him,

1739
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: and I might be kicking myself. Okay, here's here's a

1740
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: scenario for you. It is that it is the night before,

1741
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 1: the afternoon or whatever evening before you're leaving for Minnesota,

1742
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 1: and you get a cell camera photo that holy Field

1743
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: is sitting in one of year food plots in daylight.

1744
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: The next day looks perfect. You could get in there

1745
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: and potentially kill him. Are you leaving for Minnesota that

1746
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 1: next morning? I am calling up Andy and saying I'm sorry,

1747
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Andy, we gotta push the Minnesota trip back,

1748
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm at least flexible on my dates on

1749
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: that one, on most of these trips at least um

1750
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will definitely push if you're halfway. How

1751
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: about if you're halfway to Minnesota. In that case, I'm

1752
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: probably sticking with Minnesota because I think that Andy's a

1753
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: nice guy, but he probably punched me in the head

1754
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: if I turn this around and try to do that.

1755
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I feel like there's a good

1756
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: chance it's something on these Michigan properties. I just don't

1757
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: know if holy Field is gonna show, and if he

1758
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,879
Speaker 1: does show, I think there's a chance. Next next question,

1759
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: are you planning on being more aggressive with dough harvest

1760
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: on your main piece? Yes, Ish, I'm still in the

1761
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: same boat as I am every year because this property,

1762
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: I know I need to do more dough control on it.

1763
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I feel like if I

1764
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 1: start being aggressive with dough control, it's gonna blow any

1765
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: chance at Holyfield. So I'll probably do what I've done

1766
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 1: in past years, but try to do a better job

1767
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 1: of it. So I'll probably be targeting him on this property. Um,

1768
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: and if he's still alive, you know, if I haven't

1769
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: killed him in this December, I'll probably set like a

1770
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: deadline like if I don't kill him by December fifteen

1771
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: or eight or something like twenty, whatever it is. If

1772
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't get him by then, then I just have

1773
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: to switch to dough hunting and um at that point,

1774
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: just all right, he's made it this far. I gotta

1775
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: try to kill some doughs and start start doing that.

1776
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna force you to come help me and

1777
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: try to get some other friends to come help me.

1778
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Um because I need to be even. I need to

1779
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: get more off this farm than I have in years past. Um. So,

1780
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's that's all what you mean. You know,

1781
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: it's a dilemma have every year. I'd love to start

1782
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 1: taking some doughes earlier in the season, but it's just,

1783
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: you know how it is. It's so small here. If

1784
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: any basically me where I shoot a doll in this property,

1785
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: they could run into like one of the two main

1786
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: betting areas and it would force me to completely blow out,

1787
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: you know, the one mature buck in the area, and

1788
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: and they just they won't tolerate that. If it happens once,

1789
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of s ol So that's that's a tough

1790
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: thing about this, Hilaria. Anything else, gentleman, I got one

1791
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: more question. Yeah, are you are you willing to go

1792
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: after I think you did last year if I remember right,

1793
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: But would you are you going to be willing to

1794
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: hunt your place or the place where Holy Fields app

1795
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: during the firearms season. Are you gonna You're gonna stick

1796
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: with your sanctuary method and try to completely stay out

1797
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: of there. I think I'm planning on sanctuary strategy again.

1798
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: But if you know, if I'm if I'm seeing him

1799
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: actively like that last day or two, I'm willing to

1800
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm willing to bend on that. I'm not. I'm I

1801
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: don't need to be so locked on that. UM So, yeah,

1802
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: I would, I would push it in hunt opening day

1803
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: or something like that if I had a really good

1804
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: reason to UM. But in general, I think that keeping

1805
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: it relatively low pressured there is still I think that's

1806
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: been a good thing. I don't think. I don't think

1807
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: that that buck would be six years old this year

1808
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: if I was hunting him hard during gun season, because

1809
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: I just think there would have been too many chances

1810
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,919
Speaker 1: that I'd push him and he'd be on a neighbor's

1811
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: where they're just letting guns guns fly. Now this year

1812
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be weird, though, because, as you know, Josh,

1813
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: in a handful of counties across the state, they have

1814
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: now implemented some new regulations because of c w D,

1815
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: and they are now taking our two week firearm season,

1816
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: and they're now extending that through the entire muzzleloader season.

1817
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: So we have a two week firearm season, and then

1818
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,799
Speaker 1: in southern Michigan it's it's about a three week muzzleloader season,

1819
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little less than that, but somewhere around that timeframe.

1820
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: Now that's all going to be general firearm. So there's

1821
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: gonna be almost a five week general firearms season where

1822
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: I hunt and mark. Can you can you clarify one

1823
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: thing that that's for. That's for a sixteen county CWD

1824
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: managements on. It's not everywhere in the state UM, and

1825
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: not all of southern Michigan. There's sixteen counties where that's

1826
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, you can find that all in on

1827
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: Michigan's d and our website. Yes, so that's the counties

1828
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: where CWT has been found and then all the counties

1829
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:32,480
Speaker 1: that touched them right basically well basically like UH surveillance

1830
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 1: areas that they set up that they want to get

1831
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: more deer tested on, and yes, most of them do

1832
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: touch UM counties where cw D has been detected. Yeah,

1833
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: So so that's one of the new things we're gonna

1834
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: be dealing with this year. I have some concerns, you know,

1835
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,799
Speaker 1: just persist like selfishly about how that's going to impact

1836
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: like my own personal hunting. UM, I worry a little bit.

1837
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, as you know, Josh,

1838
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: you've been well, you've heard all the different controversy around

1839
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: these new regulations. Has been a lot of people worried

1840
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 1: about it, upset about it, lots of opinions about what's happening. UM.

1841
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to get into all that today,

1842
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll say it for another time because we're

1843
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of running out of the podcast, like all in

1844
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: its own probably and you could probably get some you

1845
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: should probably get some people that are much more versed

1846
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: in it than I am, or have a have some

1847
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: more background and have a biologist, a couple of biologists on.

1848
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: I could really go into it. Um. But yeah, it's

1849
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: it's there's been a ton of drum over it, and

1850
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of passionate deer hunters here in Michigan,

1851
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: and UM, a lot of people that have been working

1852
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 1: for a long time to to see some good change

1853
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: here and you know, may not be the case right now,

1854
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 1: we will see. UM, So I'm gonna say we wrapped

1855
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: this one up here, um, because I've got other things

1856
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I got to run off to actually, but we have

1857
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: got Josh, your number one goal is to kill a

1858
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: three and a half year old in North Dakota or

1859
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 1: public Liane Michigan, would you say that's it? Yeah, Yeah,

1860
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: that's it. And Spencer, your number one goal is to

1861
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: kill uh forest or a buck like that? Would you agree? Yeah?

1862
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: It made sure, velvet buck, okay. And my number one

1863
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: goal is to kill holy Field. And Dan isn't here,

1864
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: so we can make up a goal for him. Um,

1865
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it's probably to kill Narlie. Charlie,

1866
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess. So that's that's what we got ahead of us.

1867
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: We have hunting seasons kicking off for at least the

1868
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: three of us were kicking off in two weeks. Dan

1869
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: will be six weeks from now. Um. But over the

1870
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: next four months here on the podcast, I'm going to

1871
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: try to have both of you guys, and of course

1872
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Dan and myself sharing what's going on through our journeys

1873
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:56,719
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and Spencer speaking of following along with hunting

1874
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: season and what's going on. We are back us here

1875
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen with the third season of Radio.

1876
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Right Yes, September five is the first planned episode of

1877
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: season three eut Radio. So for those who aren't familiar,

1878
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: For people new to the podcast, can you give us

1879
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: like the thirty second cliff notes on what radio is

1880
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: what they have to expect. So each week through the

1881
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: fall from September to January, that's what we did last year.

1882
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I will talk to notable white tail experts across the

1883
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: country and see what they're getting for deer movement, UM

1884
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 1: and hopefully bring you the most timely uh buck intel

1885
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: anywhere possible. UM. You know, we will be recording these

1886
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,879
Speaker 1: interviews with people on like Tuesday, episode goes up Wednesday,

1887
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: and uh you know that today you'll be able to

1888
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: listen and hear what they're predicting for buck movement, what

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01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 1: they've been seeing for buck movement. Uh. You know, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about factors like moon phases, weather, crops, dad is

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Speaker 1: hunting pressure, all those different things, uh, with hopes of

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Speaker 1: providing you with uh you know, like I said, the

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Speaker 1: most timely dear intel available. Yeah, it has been a

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Speaker 1: really well received, UM kind of new format that we

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Speaker 1: added to the show. People are really finding it helpful.

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Speaker 1: So like Spencer mentioned first week in September, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: start getting too wired Hunt podcasts a week. The RUT

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Speaker 1: Radio will be on on Wednesday, are regular episodes on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So between those two um as you just said, lots

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Speaker 1: of great real time information that can help you guys,

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Speaker 1: and you'll be able to follow along with the four

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Speaker 1: of our hunts and seasons pretty close to real time

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Speaker 1: as well. So Spencer further appreciate you guys joining me today.

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Speaker 1: And that is it for us today. So, like I

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Speaker 1: always mentioned, if you haven't left a rating review on iTunes,

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Speaker 1: would really appreciate that. If you're not following us on

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Speaker 1: Instagram or Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, would appreciate that too.

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Speaker 1: And until next time, all I want to say is

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Speaker 1: thank que for falling along, thanks for being here, and

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Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt. M h m hmmm