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Speaker 1: It's a late fifteen to ten touchdown sack.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into a very special edition of Chargers Weekly, as always,

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Speaker 3: joined by Matt Muddy Smith in person, though today top

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Speaker 3: golf El Segundo. The Chargers have just selected Joe Alt

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Speaker 3: fifth overall, the big massive tackle from Notre Dame and

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Speaker 3: money do you want to give a give an eye?

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Speaker 1: Told you so? No, I don't you. You've been saying it.

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Speaker 1: You've been saying it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's it's a product of what the

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Speaker 2: Chargers are and what they want to be and what

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Speaker 2: their identity is. And that is so important in this

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Speaker 2: particular sport is to have an identity, to establish a culture,

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Speaker 2: to be a particular type of football team that you

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Speaker 2: know when you walk into the facility every single day.

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Speaker 4: That's just how we play football.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's something that's been missing and one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons why when we talked about who do

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Speaker 2: you want him to hire? I said, I want to

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Speaker 2: hire a winner, And there's nobody that they could hire

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Speaker 2: that we better than Jim Harbaugh to walk through that

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Speaker 2: door and say I have won here, I've won here,

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Speaker 2: I've won here, I've won here. This is how we

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Speaker 2: do it. Follow me. You know, your losers, I'm a winner.

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Speaker 2: Let's make you winners along with me. And this is

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Speaker 2: the first step. You know, well it's not the first step,

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Speaker 2: but this is a step toward that result. And that's

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Speaker 2: we're gonna play physical football. It's not lip service. When

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh's at the owners meeting and says, offensive line,

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Speaker 2: what's the most important? Yeah, you know, exactly, five fingers

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Speaker 2: on a glove. You know, it's a fist. You work together,

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Speaker 2: and every other position group on the team benefits from

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Speaker 2: the offensive line and they don't benefit from anybody else.

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Speaker 4: Like that's.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what was announced. When when you draft Joe Alt,

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Speaker 2: when Malik Neighbors and Roma Dounsday and any defensive player

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Speaker 2: you want are there, and you take a six foot nine,

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty pound guy that is going to

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Speaker 2: beat the snot out of opponents with Rashaun Slater on

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Speaker 2: the other side, that's what you're announcing. Yet you better

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Speaker 2: strap it up, man, better be ready to go, because

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Speaker 2: we're gonna beat your ass for sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no surprise.

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Speaker 3: And you know you hear coach Bischoff saying this is

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Speaker 3: gonna be an offensive line centric football team. And I

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Speaker 3: think if you're a charges fan, you should feel good

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Speaker 3: that this team has an identity and it's been established

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Speaker 3: from the beginning. You already had Rashaun Slater who was

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Speaker 3: here earlier, with Zion Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you bring.

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Speaker 3: Joe Alton and you're able to protect Justin Herbert and

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Speaker 3: really bring this running game to life. Money this is

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Speaker 3: this is another big component of what they want to

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Speaker 3: do is run the football and Joe Alt's.

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Speaker 1: Going to provide that on the other side with Slater, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the key.

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Speaker 2: So you know, a couple of things there doing the show,

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Speaker 2: you know, doing the draft party. Here, we had Rashaan,

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Speaker 2: we had Zion, we had a Looie Gilman. We could

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Speaker 2: not have picked three better people to have won. A

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Speaker 2: Loe Notre Dame who gave us some insight into what

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Speaker 2: I'll start there. So a Looie when we were talking

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Speaker 2: to him, said, listen, offensive line at Notre Dame is

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Speaker 2: a special, exclusive group of people. That is the identity

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Speaker 2: of that football team. And he talked about how how

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Speaker 2: great it is. And I just happened to come back

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Speaker 2: played at the same high school he did, Kahuku, which

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Speaker 2: is known as like they're known as, you know, the

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Speaker 2: butt kickin high school team.

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Speaker 4: They're up by on the north Shore.

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Speaker 2: It's not Punaho, it's not Saint Louis. It's in kind

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Speaker 2: we're big, we're strong, you're gonna feel it. So he

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Speaker 2: got excited when we brought that up. And then he

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Speaker 2: brought up Notre Dame. He's like, just know, like, when

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Speaker 2: exclusive group. Playing football at that place is special, he said.

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Speaker 2: But then there's another sub sect, which is the offensive

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Speaker 2: He's like, I can tell you man, that's where we

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Speaker 3: And I just talked to a Lowhi too, And you know,

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Speaker 3: how does the offensive line help the entire team?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: And Jim Harball alluded to that, like it helps everybody,

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Speaker 3: it helps the defense. Time of possession. This would be

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Speaker 3: a time of possession football team too.

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Speaker 1: Money. If you run the ball, you sustain.

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Speaker 3: Drives, you get first downs, You're gonna have that defense

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Speaker 2: And look, maybe the defense doesn't even have to come

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Speaker 2: back on the field for a change. Right, how many

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Speaker 2: game situation, you know, calling the game and all the

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Speaker 4: First downs, and they can't get it. They can't even

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Speaker 2: You think about the Jacksonville playoff game and you're talking

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Speaker 2: So you know, it is the running game that's what

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Speaker 2: that Zion he said, I said, you know kind of

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Speaker 2: you know what it's like the block for runners, and

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking when you see JK.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, he's like Gus Edwards, He's like, man,

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Speaker 4: Like that's a running back that I'm blocking for. So

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Speaker 2: And then the other thing I said, you know that

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Speaker 2: And I said, how much different is it in terms

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Speaker 2: you know how much better it is for offensive linemen

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Speaker 2: coming to work every day when you know you're pushing forward.

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Speaker 2: You're the one punishing the opponent and it's not the

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Speaker 3: Do you know sometimes you wonder you hear all these

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Speaker 3: were at the combat a couple of months ago talking

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Speaker 3: do the teams actually think.

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Speaker 1: And the board right now, we're.

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Speaker 3: In the twenties right now as we take Steelers are

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Speaker 3: on as we tape this twenty twenty exactly you know what,

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Speaker 3: you know what GMS and the league are saying that

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Speaker 3: tackle matters, yeah, right, because Latham goes off the board

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Speaker 3: right after all, and there has been a run on tackles.

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Speaker 1: So you wonder for the people. And over the last

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Speaker 3: Months, we've talked about the wide receivers, right, We've talked

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Speaker 3: and how any of those three guys would have a

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Speaker 3: I think that's where it got really interesting. If two

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Speaker 3: do you think the pick would have been different? And two?

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Speaker 3: What would you say to the fan that says we

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Speaker 3: should have taken Molak Neighbors?

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Speaker 1: What are we doing? We got to take my league neighbors.

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Speaker 4: I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 2: You know we talked to Matt Harmon last week about

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Speaker 2: all the receivers and yeah, man, watching I call play

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Speaker 2: Herbert's seventy yard bombs to Melik Neighbors. You know what

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like me calling, hey, Joe, all just

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Speaker 2: clean house man, and we got six yards on that

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Speaker 2: first down carry. I'm I'm gonna say that a lot,

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Speaker 2: and it's not as exciting as having a touchdown call.

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Speaker 1: Well you can make it, yeah, but you know.

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Speaker 2: Like they can clip those they play them on Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night Football. Of course I wanted Elik Neighbors, you know,

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Speaker 2: front office, yeah, you guys do the rest. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: this is not a one player draft. This is you're

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Speaker 2: Chargers right now, nine players that will make your team

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Speaker 2: second rounder, third rounder, your high fourth round. Those guys

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Speaker 2: better be starters. Like, this is not about one player.

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Speaker 2: This is about how what are these nine players that

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Speaker 2: you're going to get over this three day span gonna

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Speaker 2: look like? And how is that gonna change your team?

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Speaker 2: And it's not for twenty twenty four. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: something to Tom Tellescoud always say to us, He's like,

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Speaker 2: we're not drafting a guy for seventeen games. We're drafting

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Speaker 2: him for five years and hopefully a second contract in

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Speaker 2: ten years. So understand the Chargers look panay Sewell just

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Speaker 2: got a twenty eight million dollar dollars a.

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Speaker 1: Year to play right tackle, eighty eight guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's a right tackle, look you know, and

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Speaker 2: look he could be the left tackle, but they just

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Speaker 2: you know, a decker that that's how they play it.

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Speaker 4: But you get the point, like.

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Speaker 2: Rashaun Slater's gonna sign a twenty eight million dollars a

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Speaker 2: year deal. He's an All Pro, he's a left tackle.

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Speaker 2: So think of this as a five year because you're gonna,

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Speaker 2: you know, if everything goes as we suspect it's going to,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know why it wouldn't, you're gonna pick

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Speaker 2: up Joel's fifth year option. So now you've got your tackles,

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Speaker 2: which very well could end up being the best tackles

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Speaker 4: Are we riot? You know, God knows the amount of incoming.

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Speaker 4: But there is no throwing downfield if you're.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you mentioned the Lions, because the Lions

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Speaker 2: Look, you know how many how many Stanford games I

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Speaker 4: Guy was a tight end for two years.

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Speaker 2: I think there's just so many different ways, and look,

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Speaker 2: I've just whatever. I basically people like, oh, you're a shill,

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Speaker 2: But I feel like I've been pretty consistent and I

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Speaker 2: have said, I get it, they're exceptional players. Maybe that

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think what is important.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that we can kind of

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Speaker 2: Is there any team in the NFL that has more

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: It is Dan Campbell came in with that attitude, I

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Speaker 2: We're gonna figure it out together. And he built a

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Speaker 1: And the Chargers have more talent than the Lions.

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Speaker 3: When when Campbell came in, I'm saying not now, but

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Speaker 4: Right face, were losing close games.

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Speaker 1: They were losing close games.

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Speaker 3: And so my point is that the Chargers have more

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Speaker 1: So I don't look at it as like a Lion

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Speaker 3: But I do think that it's it's gonna take a

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Speaker 2: I think the thing with with the Chargers, you know,

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Speaker 4: That identity, then you need to back it up.

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Speaker 2: You need you need to have the players to back

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Speaker 2: it up to play that style of football. And that's

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Speaker 2: what Dan Campbell did. We're gonna bite your kneecaps and

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, that's a line.

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Speaker 1: That's speaking of a line. Steelers just took it.

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Speaker 2: You know who by the way, very you know, you

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: If that's if you have Jim Harbaugh and coach Bischoff

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well guess what, guys, we're not bsing. We're not.

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Speaker 4: This isn't lip service. This is who we are. I

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Speaker 2: I said it to the media, and now we're proving

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Speaker 2: playing a physical brand of football, yeah, we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: you to the players to do that too, and they're

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Speaker 1: They let him go.

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Speaker 4: Just yeah, go ahead, get out of here, walk out

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Speaker 2: And you're the reason why we've been so one of

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Speaker 4: That's well, they let him go.

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Speaker 2: Two, did they invest any first rounders and wide receivers. No,

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Speaker 1: They get it.

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Speaker 2: They get it, you know, like and granted they can

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Speaker 4: But that's my point is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the Chargers are missing it. They're missing

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Speaker 3: Dobbas to Gus Edwards, the Hayden Hurst. You're gonna win

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Speaker 2: Or don't forget there's two sides of the football. They

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, Like we're talking about corner.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we had been pushing for that.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's more, there's more opportunities like that

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Speaker 4: If you can get them. You know. So that's kind

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Speaker 2: the AFC West. I just I have that belief in

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Speaker 2: now you've got to get it back together, shuffle it

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Speaker 2: already assembled. Staley's already there. You know, that whole offensive

436
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 2: line was already intact. Vernon Davis a freak of freaks

437
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 2: at tight end, Frank Gore a freak of freaks.

438
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 4: At running back.

439
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 2: So and not to mention just the defensive line, Alden Smith,

440
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Speaker 2: Justin Smith, the mod Brooks, Patrick Willis.

441
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Speaker 4: I mean that that defense stupid is a rookie. So

442
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 4: he inherited all of that.

443
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Speaker 2: So I think it's important to remember that thirteen and

444
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Speaker 2: three turnaround and what he had in front of him

445
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Speaker 2: from a six and ten team. So I guess you know,

446
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Speaker 2: my big takeaway is is you always want a coach

447
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 2: to be authentic. You hear that all the time. You know,

448
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,280
Speaker 2: if you're going to change a culture and establish a culture,

449
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Speaker 2: the most important thing is to be yourself and be authentic.

450
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Speaker 1: He's told no lies, He's told no lies.

451
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Speaker 4: This is what did Bucky Brooks tell us.

452
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Speaker 2: I would bet my house that the first pick is

453
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Speaker 2: not going to be a wide receiver of the Jim

454
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Speaker 2: Harvoy era.

455
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would bet my.

456
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Speaker 3: House buy Bucky's house is safe. Just to paint a

457
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Speaker 3: picture for you guys, we are top golf El segundo.

458
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 3: It is freezing outside. It's freezing. The draft is still

459
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Speaker 3: going on, and I'm looking down just to see if,

460
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Speaker 3: if anything wild has happened. One of the things that

461
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Speaker 3: stands out to me is we kind of push it

462
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Speaker 3: forward to tomorrow money rounds two and three.

463
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Speaker 1: No corner has been selected.

464
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Speaker 3: We're in the twenties, all right, So no quinnyin Mitchell,

465
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Speaker 3: No Terryn, Arnold, kool Aid McKinstry is still on the board.

466
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 3: Wiggins from Clemson. So like, as much as I'm thinking,

467
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Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver could be an option, Quarner quarter

468
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 3: quarter could be another option for the Chargers early in

469
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Speaker 3: the second.

470
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Speaker 4: Oh, they need one.

471
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Speaker 2: And then that's see and that's And now it's gonna

472
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Speaker 2: sound like I'm talking down to the people that follow

473
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Speaker 2: and listen, and I'm not. I appreciate you, but I

474
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Speaker 2: think it's just natural. Like what about our wide receiver room.

475
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 2: It's the worst wide receiver from the room in the league. Okay,

476
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: how about the cornerback room? You know, how about the

477
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 2: corner room, Like Mike Michael Davis is gone.

478
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Speaker 4: You know you've got Yes, we got Zon. That's it.

479
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: That's like in Christian Fultons, who they just signed. Like

480
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 2: nobody's saying, what about our wife?

481
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 4: What about our corner room?

482
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Speaker 2: You know what corton quarterbacks are in the NFL, And

483
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: like nobody's saying, what about our Why wouldn't we trade

484
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Speaker 2: down and take you know, Quinnon Mitchell, or trade down

485
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 2: to take Terry and Arnold, or trade down and take

486
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: Nate Wiggins. We never got one of those. It was

487
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: all drap the wide receiver, our wide receiver. And I think,

488
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: and I think that's the I think that's the the

489
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: trouble I'm having connecting is, yeah, we all want Justin

490
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: Herbert to be the best quarterback in the league. But

491
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Speaker 2: the idea that you're gonna sacrifice his stats for wins

492
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: and for identity, like, well, we need we.

493
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Speaker 4: Need he needs a wide receiver. You can't do this,

494
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Speaker 4: Just sure you can.

495
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Speaker 1: Justin stoked.

496
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Speaker 2: You get a tackle like you pair a tackle like

497
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Speaker 2: Slater with Joe Walt and nobody more happy than Justin

498
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Speaker 2: Herbert right now.

499
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Speaker 4: I mean, you get JK.

500
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: Dobbins next to him for play action because he's ripping

501
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: off six yards per clip like he has his whole career.

502
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's excited. You know, he's happy about this.

503
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Speaker 1: So there's guys out there.

504
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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert will be fine, Yeah, he'll He'll be fine.

505
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Speaker 2: This is how we played football at Oregon. This is

506
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: Mario christobal football, O.

507
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 4: Line run game.

508
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: When I need to make a play, Justin, You're gonna

509
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: go out there and make a play. And that's what

510
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: he did at Oregon and that's why some people dinged

511
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: him coming into the league. He's now a stranger to this, like,

512
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: this is what he did at Oregon and it led

513
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: to a Rose Bowl victory for Oregon over I think

514
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: it was Wisconsin they played. But like he knows, he's

515
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: comfortable playing this way.

516
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Justin maybe Justin uses his legs a little

517
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: bit in this offense as well. Yeah, we've seen him

518
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: as a runner and he does a very good job

519
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: of protecting himself when he runs safe for maybe the

520
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 3: first game he's ever played against the Chiefs when he

521
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: leveled the linebackerund or bounds. But it's just gonna be

522
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: a different style of offense. But you're right, money, Like

523
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: we've kind of neglected talking about the defense because I think,

524
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Speaker 3: especially around the draft, it's just an exciting position to

525
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: talk about wide receiver and you envision Justin Herbert and listen,

526
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 3: if it was Moleak Neighbors or Marvin Harrison or Roam

527
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: with dunesday, it would have been we would have been

528
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Speaker 3: thrilled up here talking about that.

529
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Speaker 2: I know, I say it all the time and it's

530
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Speaker 2: gotta be tiring for the people listening. But I wish

531
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Speaker 2: those of you that could have lived the life that

532
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: I lived when I was calling Stanford football and when

533
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: I got to go up on the farm. And I

534
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: can't begin to tell you after seeing it, like the

535
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: first two times, when I'm looking at my schedule and

536
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Speaker 2: what games I get to call, and I see Stanford, Oregon,

537
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Stanford CAL Big Game, Stanford USC and I know I'm

538
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: gonna go watch Toby Gerhart punish dudes. It was fun, man,

539
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: it was fun watching those fourth quarters.

540
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Speaker 4: Dude.

541
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Speaker 2: I watched USC quit at the Coliseum. I watched them

542
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: quit a football game, literally quit to the point where

543
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Speaker 2: I was told after the game that that someone came

544
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: up to Toby and was like, hey, man, are we

545
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: not done? And there was still like eight minutes left

546
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 2: in the game. They're like, you're really gonna keep. That

547
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: was fifty five to ten games, and that was the

548
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: what's your Deal game?

549
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Speaker 1: What's your deal?

550
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: They quit?

551
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: Like you know how much fun it is to watch

552
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Speaker 2: a team make another team quit because they just.

553
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Speaker 4: Don't want to the pounding anymore. Like it's fun. It

554
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: is fun.

555
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: And I watched and I called a ton of those

556
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: San Francisco games with Frank Gore and Colin Kaepernick, and man,

557
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: it was fun. It was a lot of fun. I

558
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: remember that open I think it was the opener. It

559
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: was Green Bay, San Francisco, a candlestick I called from

560
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 2: that stinking shipping container that was bolted at the top

561
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: of candlestick where had to call those games from. And

562
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: watching Jim Harbaugh and those tight ends and Delaney Walker

563
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: and Frank Gore just pound those guys was a lot

564
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: of fun. And I think it's hard to wrap your

565
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: head around right now, but trust me, you're you're gonna

566
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: come around to it. You're gonna dig it. It's gonna

567
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: be it's gonna be different. And it's just one pick,

568
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe the next three picks are wide receivers.

569
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Speaker 1: They could it could be.

570
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Speaker 3: But but making teams submit, I think that that's probably

571
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Speaker 3: the theme and what they're trying to accomplish this year,

572
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Speaker 3: and especially in the fourth quarter, playing sixty minutes of

573
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Speaker 3: football and not as a cliche like we are literally

574
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Speaker 3: we're playing sixty minutes of football.

575
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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts is we get out of here money?

576
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Speaker 3: I'm looking Chop Robinson just went No corner has been

577
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: selected right now, and I feel like the Eagles probably

578
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: will take one. If you guys are listening to this,

579
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Speaker 3: you already knew who the Eagles took.

580
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's true, you know, yeah, No. I In

581
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: terms of next pick, I think, hey, listen, man, I

582
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if it's O line on line and

583
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: there's a center sitting there. Jackson powers Johnson slips out

584
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: Sax Frazier. If Graham Barton is there and Barno like Zach,

585
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. And Neck Fraser state champion wrestling exactly.

586
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: You know Nick Hardwick, wrestler turned turned offensive lineman at center. Yeah,

587
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: give me, give me all the wrestlers. I am all

588
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: about it, you know, Lorenzo O'Neil, you know, state champion

589
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: out of Fresno State and conference champion out of Fresno State.

590
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: Fingers strength, you know, that's what it's all about, especially

591
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: at the center position. So there's gonna there's gonna be

592
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: a lot of great players available when they pick again,

593
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: just because you had six quarterbacks go off the board

594
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: in the first twelve. So now your pick thirty four

595
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: becomes pick twenty eight, which is kind of thirty four

596
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: to thirty five. That no, thirty thirty seven becomes thirty one.

597
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: There you go.

598
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: So you're essentially you get a back end of the

599
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: first round, or is what your second round pick becomes

600
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Speaker 2: because of all the quarterbacks.

601
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Speaker 3: Just real quick reaction to Bondecks going to Denver and

602
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: brock Bowers, Yeah, going to the Vegas Raiders.

603
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: Interesting.

604
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: Our friend Tom Telesco not you know, it's very interesting

605
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: because they just took Michael Mayor in the second round

606
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: a year ago. But I think that speaks to Bowers

607
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: being more of a weapon than just a tight end.

608
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: Let's just put him out there at Yeah, deal with it.

609
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: How are you gonna how are you know? What are

610
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: you going to cover Brock Bowers with? If we have

611
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: Mayor attached to the line and Bowers is in the slot,

612
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: how are you going to do that? You know, you're

613
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: you're your linebacker and your safety. You're too slow, your

614
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: corners too, you're too small. Good luck figure it out.

615
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: So it's interesting. I thought for sure the Jets were

616
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: going to take them. Uh they took Shano instead, which

617
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: I get. You know, you can't really trust to thirty

618
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: five year old tackles to make it through the season

619
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Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers back there, But I really thought the

620
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Jets were going to take him. So, yeah, we'll see

621
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Speaker 2: Brock Bowers twice a year. Looking forward to that. Bonnick's rookie,

622
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Absolutely give us all of that.

623
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Speaker 2: We're gonna go see Drake may in New England, another

624
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: rookie on the on the schedule. We'll get to see

625
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison. They're playing the Arizona Cardinals this year, so

626
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a heavy dose of that. It's gonna

627
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: be It's gonna be fun. It's definitely gonna be fun.

628
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: I'm excited, as you can tell. I'm all about it.

629
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Speaker 2: I I wanted Jim Harbor to be the head coach

630
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: of the team, and that means I signed up for

631
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: the way Jim Harball plays five.

632
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna close the podcast like this. I'm

633
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: gonna put you on the spot. I want you to

634
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: pretend like you're calling a seven yard Gus Edwards rush.

635
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 3: But Joe Alt just destroyed the man in front of them.

636
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: All right, go all right, let me let me visualize it.

637
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: Here we go.

638
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: I had Chargers left Hash at their own thirty five

639
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: with a first and ten. They were able to force

640
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: three and out on the opening POSSESSI let's see if

641
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: they can establish a tone here at Arrowhead and we

642
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: got offset. I as in the backfield is Gus Edwards,

643
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: Joe Alt, the new right tackle out there getting his

644
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: first taste of some regular season action. And here we go,

645
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: is under center Herbert snap hands to Edwards and oh

646
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: my god, George carl Is okay, he may not survive

647
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: all still just laying on top of him like he's

648
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: taking a nap, and Edwards goes for seven second down

649
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: of three.

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Speaker 1: That's the perfect way to it. We'll be with you

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Speaker 1: throughout the weekend.

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Speaker 3: We'll recap round Steward three and obviously everything the Charges

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Speaker 3: do throughout the weekend for Buddy of Chris from Top

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Speaker 3: Golf El Segundo's is Chargers week