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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode a Gangster Chronicles. Not with my
Speaker 1: homeboy tonight. You know, unfortunately on other brothers, m C
Speaker 1: incapacitated at the moment. He's gonna be all right. He's
Speaker 1: in the hospital right now. We ask y'all, all y'all
Speaker 1: have to keep my man and prayers and also keep
Speaker 1: our brother Reggie writing prayer. It's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: going on right now. Dog, Well, let it be known
Speaker 1: clear that they don't have cold. You just you just
Speaker 1: up under some ovel. But he's gonna be all right,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hold it down to to come back.
Speaker 1: We got stuff going on with Trump right now. Man.
Speaker 1: Trump is out there acting the food but they like
Speaker 1: they're about to turn him his ass man, but they should,
Speaker 1: they should and and and you know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ship going on with that, Like you're shating the
Speaker 1: ride and then five people that got killed these basically
Speaker 1: getting away with it. Ain't nobody's been charged with murder yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy because motherfucker's
Speaker 1: died on here. Man, you know what not to be rude. Man,
Speaker 1: we got a special guest and like, man, we gotta
Speaker 1: pay t Q and the building with us. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then here, what's up? What's up? Somebody else gonna
Speaker 1: take the fall for this man, you know. And I
Speaker 1: even heard something that I heard something on what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing in this morning man to dude was talking about
Speaker 1: trying to part in himself Trump. Yeah, well he was.
Speaker 1: He was pretty warning not to do that. Don't even
Speaker 1: try that. But Trump doing what he want to do.
Speaker 1: But he's just showing the people how you getting down,
Speaker 1: and he's just being one honey with it. But one
Speaker 1: motherfucker don't dictate. And this is what he's doing, dictating
Speaker 1: ship right now on how he want to run ship
Speaker 1: or what people should be doing, because he wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, and he shouldn't be allowed that. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do that, Oh no, none of us could, you know.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's all full of ship. You know,
Speaker 1: you're inside the ride and and five people die in
Speaker 1: the process of that, and you just lock motherfucker's up.
Speaker 1: But ain't nobody being charged with the murders If I
Speaker 1: killed the police officer in the middle in the midst
Speaker 1: of a crime. They've been to put my ass on
Speaker 1: death road. They've been to do me bad. Oh yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know the other component thats
Speaker 1: you got with that, bro. You are in the government facility.
Speaker 1: You are inside of government facility. And I think, um,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if you
Speaker 1: go to a government facility and do something, man, ain't
Speaker 1: that like worse? Yeah? It is worse. It is. It's
Speaker 1: something right though. Man, I've been in that building before. Man,
Speaker 1: that place be that places fortified. There's so many people
Speaker 1: in there were guns constantly. How could that just happen
Speaker 1: like that? I think that's because that way of thinking.
Speaker 1: Then infiltrated some of them police, and you got twelve
Speaker 1: of them. That's that's being looked at. Two of them
Speaker 1: don't resigned. Trump had the motherfucker's in his pocket and
Speaker 1: he let him walk on when just walk on through
Speaker 1: that motherfucker like that? No, That's what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: because I've been for the Capitol building before too. And
Speaker 1: then you know if you walk close to that grass
Speaker 1: and somebody who secret service saying you gotta get back, well,
Speaker 1: like that man st looked up on that roof all
Speaker 1: the guns pointed at you, and constantly they ain't no way,
Speaker 1: ain't no way. There ain't no way, man. So he
Speaker 1: has something to do with that. And see these people
Speaker 1: knowing now all of them is kind of turned their
Speaker 1: back on them, and they're like, oh, he went too far.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people are generally upset though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if there is, they need to show it, and they
Speaker 1: need to show people that regardless of the color of
Speaker 1: your skin, you're gonna be You're gonna you, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be dealt with accordingly if you cross ther line like that.
Speaker 1: Look at Black Lives Matter. Trump shut the whole National Guards,
Speaker 1: at that ash Man, the whole nine. You just see
Speaker 1: none of that ship. And then you the cold part
Speaker 1: about it. You see the white boys, Nason, the police man.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have happened. Somebody would have got shot somebody. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole lot of deaths. Man.
Speaker 1: So you know that's the ongoing thing. Man. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about some stuff, don't t That's why
Speaker 1: I hit you up, man, because I know you don't
Speaker 1: do a lot of interviews, so we appreciate you coming on. Man.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing you third off with a group coming to age.
Speaker 1: Then y'all broke up and you put like one of
Speaker 1: the biggest records out of the nineties. After that, I
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you, how did you come up
Speaker 1: with that West Side? I don't know, man, that was honestly,
Speaker 1: that was that was organic, man. I walked into I
Speaker 1: walked into the studio and it was just good musicians
Speaker 1: in their gym. And at the time when I walked
Speaker 1: in there it was it was Mike Moseley, Rick Rock
Speaker 1: from the Bay and Uh and my Man Family Fammy
Speaker 1: og Tuna and Rick Rock was playing on the drums
Speaker 1: when I walked in, Fammy was playing on the piano
Speaker 1: and they was just playing a melody and to me
Speaker 1: it sounded like they was playing the track to Dear Mama,
Speaker 1: but they was doing some funky other beat to it.
Speaker 1: And so I was there to meet Mike Moseley because
Speaker 1: at the time I was signed to a to another label.
Speaker 1: I was signed to Atlantic and I was having problems
Speaker 1: with them, and I was there to meet Mike to
Speaker 1: do some writing with him, and like I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't pay attention because I just kept listening to what
Speaker 1: they was making in there, So I asked my I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: can I just get on that beat? And he came in.
Speaker 1: When I started writing, he started messing around on the
Speaker 1: beat machine, and about fifteen minutes, Man, it was a
Speaker 1: song man. You just legendary cats in there because Mike Man,
Speaker 1: all them cats man, they held debate down. They held
Speaker 1: music right and Rick Ruck still going to day he
Speaker 1: Ship jay Z and everybody else. Man, So you kind
Speaker 1: of gave them cast they start them. I mean now
Speaker 1: they was already popping. They was down here working on
Speaker 1: on some other projects actually, and then that day when
Speaker 1: we did west Side, we kind of hit it off
Speaker 1: and I just I went to the I just went
Speaker 1: to the Bay. That's where I kind of kicked off that.
Speaker 1: I just started recording with Mike and all them Bay artists,
Speaker 1: and uh that that ship happened for about a year,
Speaker 1: maybe before I even put anything out. I was just
Speaker 1: doing hooks in the Bay with like all kinds of people,
Speaker 1: man Mac maull and like Sam Queen and rbl Posse,
Speaker 1: all of these cats. Um just going studio the studio
Speaker 1: with Mike really um working with casts like Sam Bostic,
Speaker 1: Studio tone Um and Banks all them casts up there
Speaker 1: I used to work with. So when I did, when
Speaker 1: I actually did an album, that's how forty and Short
Speaker 1: knowledge them ended up on. It was through Mike and
Speaker 1: all it pick up to the homie too Short forty yeah, man,
Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy, man, It's like that you
Speaker 1: start not make sense because I always looked at you
Speaker 1: like it's an R and B singer, but you moved
Speaker 1: like a rapper. Yeah, I mean, that's what I was
Speaker 1: always around. Really, I didn't really. I didn't after I
Speaker 1: the group. That was like my experience with R and B.
Speaker 1: After that, I didn't really I didn't really have no
Speaker 1: R and B I was. I was always doing music
Speaker 1: with rappers. I used to always make music with rap
Speaker 1: producers and even when I left, I went to a
Speaker 1: rap label. So it's just it was always raped and
Speaker 1: and even even before I started doing music professionally, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to the n w A more
Speaker 1: than I listened to to any of the R and
Speaker 1: B music that was out at the time. When it
Speaker 1: came down to R and B, I was into like
Speaker 1: my mom the records, which was it was ohd Ship,
Speaker 1: it was you know, Marvin Gay Motown, you know Stevie
Speaker 1: Wonder that type of ship. So I didn't really I
Speaker 1: didn't really get into like the early nineties or the eighties,
Speaker 1: uh r and B. It was mostly rapped and and pop,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jackson and Prince and that's the ship
Speaker 1: I was into when I was young as far as
Speaker 1: like singing win everything else. Man, it was just wrapped constantly.
Speaker 1: So I think that just kind of screwed I just
Speaker 1: I never was a rapper. I just always saying, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you came out here
Speaker 1: originally from Alabama. You're from Compton, right, Compton, California? Correct? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I left Alabama when I was a year old. When
Speaker 1: to come year old? So yeah, you come throm James
Speaker 1: here from the city right right, He's from me from
Speaker 1: the city. Man. And you know, one thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you make is for as far as as
Speaker 1: long as I knew and you you've had a really
Speaker 1: great fan base, man, have been able to tour a
Speaker 1: whole lot and go out to come for you real
Speaker 1: big overseas and everything. How did you wind up doing
Speaker 1: a deal with cash money because you was on you
Speaker 1: weren't on the to get that time you was on
Speaker 1: one of them. You know, I was having up. I
Speaker 1: was just having this issue with Sony where their international
Speaker 1: company was just a lot bigger and a lot more
Speaker 1: powerful than the domestic company, and like, you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of saw out of eye with that with that
Speaker 1: side of the company. But I'm an American artist, so
Speaker 1: I kept button heads with with the domestic side of
Speaker 1: the company. And it was like every time I would
Speaker 1: talk to Slim, he would always have the same idea
Speaker 1: that I would be trying to, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get across the Sony that they just didn't get. Like
Speaker 1: they was just some slick New York dudes. They was
Speaker 1: on this real slick R and B ship. They didn't
Speaker 1: really feel like like my subject matter and all this
Speaker 1: and that, Like they wanted to change the ship that
Speaker 1: me and Mike was doing. They didn't want Mike, Rick Rock,
Speaker 1: none of them on my on the next album that
Speaker 1: I was doing. Um, we did my album and then
Speaker 1: we can gotta deal. So once that West Side song
Speaker 1: came out and it did what it did, they wanted
Speaker 1: to just kind of take over and turn me into
Speaker 1: a a different kind of artist. I wasn't really for that.
Speaker 1: Um Slim had the best idea, Baby had the best idea.
Speaker 1: I'd always see them in passing and Um when we
Speaker 1: was on up in Smoke, they they told me that
Speaker 1: they have been trying to get me out of my deal,
Speaker 1: and Sony told him to stop stop calling me. Basically yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So they told me they was like, man, if you
Speaker 1: can get yourself out of there, you know, we gotta
Speaker 1: deal for you and we'll sign you in a minute.
Speaker 1: So I just kind of set about trying to get
Speaker 1: myself away, and and that's how it happened. Like really,
Speaker 1: you know, I had it ships with Ju being with
Speaker 1: v G. Like we would always see each other on
Speaker 1: the road. They fucked on music heavy. I funk with
Speaker 1: their music heavy, and they would always tell me how
Speaker 1: much Baby and Slim like my ship. So it the
Speaker 1: beginning of the relationship just came on mutual respecting each
Speaker 1: other's music. So we would hang out a lot. I
Speaker 1: would always go down there work with them, be in
Speaker 1: the studio of doing songs with him. We would cross
Speaker 1: each other out if they were doing the show. They
Speaker 1: would always be like, Hey, come get on stage with
Speaker 1: us tonight, and I get in their show. And do
Speaker 1: west Side. So they did a lot to like baby,
Speaker 1: put a lot of a lot of UH radio stations
Speaker 1: and ship in the South onto my music. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: this this seemed real, This seemed organic. Like this some
Speaker 1: the some niggas that really like what I do. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to change too much. So let's let's let's
Speaker 1: go on and do it. Yeah, man, there with some
Speaker 1: cold I read your stuff. There was some cold cats
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Um, it was like
Speaker 1: some shi night tapping niggers. You know, they look out
Speaker 1: for you, but they ain't looking out for you, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know, the whole thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, he had all these brothers out of the
Speaker 1: penitentiary that did ten in twenty and here it is
Speaker 1: on the bus and he's starving them. And then you
Speaker 1: got And my whole thing is the guys that death
Speaker 1: Road was pretty much the same way was being starved.
Speaker 1: Nobody never came up. Why do you think that those
Speaker 1: guys had that security and people look at them like
Speaker 1: that and don't they don't have problems because they got
Speaker 1: security like that, But then they starve you to death.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. I know I tell you this
Speaker 1: much from the side when you started looking around and
Speaker 1: you're saying, like, okay, all these niggas that that's these
Speaker 1: are all killers, right. We didn't literally pull the busses
Speaker 1: up to different penitentiaries and pick these niggas up. These
Speaker 1: niggas complaining about their food. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's looking grinding around here. I'm like, that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why I bounced. It's like, bro, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna be in this type of situation, right.
Speaker 1: It just don't make no sense where it ain't just
Speaker 1: like one two niggas eating like nigga, you are feasting,
Speaker 1: and it's very easy to take care of these niggas
Speaker 1: that you got on this bus. That's not hard to
Speaker 1: do at all. At the same time, I don't know
Speaker 1: what psychic psychological games being played. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the history, and none of these niggas are. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the private comments. These ain't my homies. I'm
Speaker 1: not from down there, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if he starving somebody as as some
Speaker 1: payback for something they did. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: funk going on. So I think the guys stayed there because,
Speaker 1: you know, getting out of prison and which is the
Speaker 1: same scenario we had it death bro, you know, getting
Speaker 1: out of prison and ain't got a you know, Robin
Speaker 1: still to eat, and you you you're thinking, Okay, the
Speaker 1: homie got me. You know, they want to stay there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because at any time half
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's that was on the line right there could
Speaker 1: did this Nike an end, you know what I'm saying. Whatever,
Speaker 1: they stay there, and so they love to just thinking
Speaker 1: one day this nigger gonna give me mine or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get mind doing it. And it never happened. It
Speaker 1: never happened. And it's crazy how motherfucker's that ain't really
Speaker 1: getting down like that, that can mind fuck a cat
Speaker 1: that's done twenty years. Yeah, it's a trip. It's a trip.
Speaker 1: Started stopped making sense to me. So that's when I
Speaker 1: had to get on and cut it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, man, you know when the thing he
Speaker 1: was that was a big part because y'all put on
Speaker 1: some plastic records during that time. So you're with these cats, man,
Speaker 1: and you rolling with them right, Um, you and Birdman
Speaker 1: is kicking it. Man, when did you start first kind
Speaker 1: of outside of him treating his home he's bad? Man?
Speaker 1: When did you first kind of like get the inkland?
Speaker 1: That stuff wasn't right over there, you know what. Um?
Speaker 1: When I first got to New Orleans, Um, Like, before
Speaker 1: I signed down there, I would spend my time with
Speaker 1: Julie or with d G right, and they would have
Speaker 1: me in the neighborhoods. I would always just be in
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods. But after I signed, when I actually was
Speaker 1: down there by myself, I started seeing how Now just
Speaker 1: imagine you go to a new place where where you
Speaker 1: didn't linked up with these niggas and that they running it.
Speaker 1: They got big records, you didn't. You know, y'all y'all
Speaker 1: doing y'all making good records and everything. But every time
Speaker 1: you're back at home, the people in the city is
Speaker 1: kind of who who loved me already? Because I was
Speaker 1: they already played my records down there a lot in
Speaker 1: the first place. That's why. That's how any of these
Speaker 1: people know who I am. Right, But the people will
Speaker 1: always be like, oh, why are you working with them? Ah?
Speaker 1: The niggas ain't ship ah, baby fucked up. He didn't
Speaker 1: see that blue blue. Man. It's always it was never
Speaker 1: nothing positive. People would always tell me, man, you should
Speaker 1: have signed a masterpiece all over the city. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: soon as I got there, Literally as soon as I
Speaker 1: got there. So one day I'm at the gas station
Speaker 1: and I'm right outside of a Baby's neighborhood. I walk
Speaker 1: in to pay for gas. Here comes see Murder, Magic, Silk,
Speaker 1: and Simonia all in the store like in babies neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I'm fresh, I'm fresh from l A. So you
Speaker 1: know what I'm thinking in my head, I'm thinking, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, damn, what is this ship about? Literally
Speaker 1: there they even say, and you don't know what you
Speaker 1: signed these fun as niggas far and so you imagine
Speaker 1: like I'm there, I'm the only R and B Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm about to really like, yeah, I'm about
Speaker 1: to get it because I'm literally the only singer around.
Speaker 1: He am about to be writing on everybody's ship. And
Speaker 1: then literally like first weekend, you just kind of get this.
Speaker 1: It's just like this negative air about the ship, not
Speaker 1: necessarily within the camp. All that was cool at that point,
Speaker 1: but the people in the place where they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be holding it down. Didn't really seem to be feeling
Speaker 1: them like that. So they just they had that reputation. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what period this was. Was this about
Speaker 1: the time because because Juvenile was the nigga over there
Speaker 1: for a long time, man, because this was the beginning,
Speaker 1: Like this was right after his first This was right
Speaker 1: after back that ass up. So in between back that
Speaker 1: ass up and like that, that year behind that was
Speaker 1: all of the time when I was like traveling with them,
Speaker 1: trying to get myself office Sony and signed to them
Speaker 1: basically okay, so so so let me get this straighten
Speaker 1: up for the people. So you was running with them
Speaker 1: for a year or so before you even was able
Speaker 1: to get off of Sony. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like
Speaker 1: I was still I was still on tour and ship. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I would do shows and we would be in
Speaker 1: the same city or we would be close. Baby would
Speaker 1: send his van from me, or send a card from
Speaker 1: me or any of that. Sometimes I would do my
Speaker 1: show then to go today show. So it was just
Speaker 1: times when it was just like we were just at first,
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was just a respect of the music.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The nigga would call me,
Speaker 1: hey man, once you come down here, I want you
Speaker 1: to get on a couple of records with a couple
Speaker 1: of people. So I go around the end, write some books,
Speaker 1: sing them, we go do a show. Baby always paid me,
Speaker 1: bro always from the beginning to the end. I never
Speaker 1: had no kind of money problem with the nigga. But
Speaker 1: I know all of the niggas that did, and they're
Speaker 1: not lying, you know what I'm saying. Like I was there,
Speaker 1: I watched the ship, but I can't join in the
Speaker 1: in the whole. I can't joining the whole conversation about
Speaker 1: not being paid because he acted funny one time with
Speaker 1: my money at the end, and my lawyer got involved
Speaker 1: and I got my ship quick. That wasn't number like
Speaker 1: a little dirty day to like. Since then, it ain't
Speaker 1: never been no problem before the end, ain't never been
Speaker 1: no problem. But I'm not here vouching for the nigga
Speaker 1: saying that he ain't you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can did other people. He
Speaker 1: was just testing you at that time, probably so probably
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. But I got commentsening
Speaker 1: stuff Man, it's like if if it's like the walls
Speaker 1: start closing in and when you're from somewhere else and
Speaker 1: you're around some niggas, that and y'all just different and
Speaker 1: it ain't necessarily good or bad. It's just that it's different.
Speaker 1: You're looking at it from a different eye, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'm paying attention, like and I'm
Speaker 1: like this ship that ran this course. Um, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, what I did while I was there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to I'm gonna have for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life because it was all right, and
Speaker 1: it was all publishing ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to really get into I never signed
Speaker 1: my publishing to them or none of that kind of ship,
Speaker 1: so I didn't have to, like, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of desperation, a lot a lot of times
Speaker 1: niggas make niggas and make bucked up decisions because they desperate.
Speaker 1: They got miles to feed or whatever. The fun and
Speaker 1: and and they go all money ain't good money. And
Speaker 1: luckily I was in a position where I had some
Speaker 1: ownership of my ship, even the ship that I did
Speaker 1: with them, So it was it's kind of easy to
Speaker 1: make decision. This ship don't look right and take my
Speaker 1: ass home. You know, you were you were in a
Speaker 1: different situation and those other guys, because he had those
Speaker 1: other guys since they was kids, and they kind of
Speaker 1: came into the business with him. You was a veteran already,
Speaker 1: you had already put out a couple of records, You
Speaker 1: knew the game already, so he and then you came here.
Speaker 1: Lawyer up. I'm pretty sure when um he met those
Speaker 1: other guys, he was on some homely ship and they
Speaker 1: just started doing home business and they never got you know,
Speaker 1: it never got passed the homely business. He was just
Speaker 1: giving them whatever they could be comfortable. And sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: when you were kids, you accept that. Then what happens.
Speaker 1: He was like, you look at Wayne's situation. Wayne is
Speaker 1: thirty some years old now, Wayne, you know it was
Speaker 1: around when he was fourteen thirteen. It was cool. It
Speaker 1: was cool to walk around back then with twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred in your pocket and you know, a little compressed
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you're driving in. But as
Speaker 1: you get older and the records ain't selling like they
Speaker 1: used to, when the shows ain't coming, you know because Wayne,
Speaker 1: stay on the road, man, but that money ain't coming
Speaker 1: like it's supposed to. When you start kind of looking
Speaker 1: a little bit like, damn man, I've kind of been
Speaker 1: getting sunked over a little bit. Yeah, you know what happened.
Speaker 1: And then you can if the way I was looking
Speaker 1: at it, just like you know, I kind of heard
Speaker 1: some some some horror stories going in. But at the
Speaker 1: same time I knew I was protected as far as
Speaker 1: my copyrights and mine publishing with anything I wrote was
Speaker 1: gonna be mine, like regardless that was. That was whether
Speaker 1: I signed to them or whether I signed to somebody else.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. At Sony. It wasn't no way
Speaker 1: I was gonna go backwards, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But my thing was they came to me like, man,
Speaker 1: we expanded, like we we're about to do some real
Speaker 1: big ship. They started stretching out and grabbing people from
Speaker 1: every day. That's when they signed Gilly. When they signed Mac,
Speaker 1: Like when they offered me my deal, it was me
Speaker 1: and corrupt, they was offering him one too. So they
Speaker 1: was trying to turn the ship that they were doing
Speaker 1: into some global ship. Right. He he wanted to take
Speaker 1: over and so I'm looking at like then he had
Speaker 1: got that switched. They law firm from some you know,
Speaker 1: some country people that they were dealing with too, a
Speaker 1: bigger law firm, which my Lloyd was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this might be a good move. So, you know, they
Speaker 1: was trying to I think he was trying to get
Speaker 1: out the gutter a little bit, which I was intrigued
Speaker 1: by that nig was talking about are we gonna do
Speaker 1: sponsorships with this shoe company and that and blah blah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that sounded good. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That sounds like baby too, because Baby, to tell you,
Speaker 1: I know, baby, you know we deal with him with
Speaker 1: glasses man. Right when you went baby, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what Baby's problem is. When you with him, he would
Speaker 1: make you feel like he's about to have you on
Speaker 1: top of the world. Man, you feel and then when
Speaker 1: it's time to do all that ship you can't catch
Speaker 1: this nigger or I don't know it. Who is you?
Speaker 1: You know? That's what they called man? Baby? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Baby?
Speaker 1: Why his sister hold on, hold on no rowl up.
Speaker 1: Why do they call him baby because he acts like one?
Speaker 1: That's what his sister tell me, Oh, wow, you gotta
Speaker 1: get what he wanted. U. Hey, that's it, man, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's what his brothers said, that's what his sisters say,
Speaker 1: That's what his family say. So Baby, Man, you know what, Man,
Speaker 1: you was one of the first people. Man. You were
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to really bring that out there. Man,
Speaker 1: because because you know you are dude out here from
Speaker 1: the city of Compton. Man, when did you see him
Speaker 1: kiss them dudes in the mouth? Man? I had to
Speaker 1: ask you this for the fans. The fans require lines
Speaker 1: want to know and man, him and Wayne listening, that
Speaker 1: was doing that ship from the beginning. Bro Like Wayne
Speaker 1: used to call a baby Paul, and baby used to
Speaker 1: call Wayne's son. I never hear them call each other
Speaker 1: their names. It's always Paul and son. I saw a
Speaker 1: baby kiss his son Brian, just like he kissed Wayne.
Speaker 1: So to me, this ship was weird from the first
Speaker 1: time I saw it. I used to tell him it
Speaker 1: was weird. I they used to laugh at me because
Speaker 1: it used to stress me out and they didn't give
Speaker 1: a funk. And anytime I would get the clown and
Speaker 1: there talking about it, Baby would be like Nigga that's
Speaker 1: my son. I don't give a funk about what you
Speaker 1: gotta say about it or what nobody else gotta say
Speaker 1: about it. That's my son, and I'm kiss my kid
Speaker 1: and mouth and what the funk I'm gonna say. But
Speaker 1: then when you do that ship in public and you
Speaker 1: got all these people around watching, come on, man, you're
Speaker 1: putting us in a position where people gotta come to
Speaker 1: me asking me about why y'all kissing. I don't really
Speaker 1: want wanted to be in a position to be explaining
Speaker 1: that to nobody. Here was twenty some years later, you
Speaker 1: still explained, Still gotta explain. And and it's like somebody
Speaker 1: caught a picture I'm doing it at this video shoot.
Speaker 1: Baby and Puffy had a video shoot, um and one
Speaker 1: of the photographers call him doing it, and like I'm
Speaker 1: on the edge of the picture making a face at
Speaker 1: him because all of the girls from the video shoot
Speaker 1: is watching them doing this ship and Wayne is about
Speaker 1: to leave Baby telling them by, just like they do
Speaker 1: every day, and like that'sh it just embarrassed to funk.
Speaker 1: That was the first time they did it. They that's
Speaker 1: just how they It's just them, bro. You know one
Speaker 1: thing that really liked and tripped me out with them. Man.
Speaker 1: I remember when cash Money first came out, they was
Speaker 1: wearing the blue rags. The next thing, you know, the
Speaker 1: red X came and uh, I was you know, and
Speaker 1: I saw Wayne in the video took the red out
Speaker 1: of his pocket and threw it on the ground, and
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I said, Man, this bold dude don't
Speaker 1: even know how the gang banging, right, because he can
Speaker 1: get d dpip like that right. And I don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about all that, but I know when they hooked
Speaker 1: up with shuged that, Uh he got the call in
Speaker 1: a few of them saying they from the neighborhood, and
Speaker 1: they this and that, and it was like, you never know,
Speaker 1: I don't know these dudes, So I don't know where
Speaker 1: that ship came from. I guess they was just riding
Speaker 1: with Shugar and and you know, getting in where they
Speaker 1: fit in. And you know, should have happened like that,
Speaker 1: especially in the music business. Now, you know, you see
Speaker 1: a lot of motherfucker's this way and then next year
Speaker 1: you're gonna see him another kind of way. Uh. In
Speaker 1: the hood, you don't you don't get too much of that,
Speaker 1: and you know, niggas don't respect that, but I means
Speaker 1: on man's on. You know what the record, Qayne is
Speaker 1: a cool nigger. Wayne is all you know, Wayne is
Speaker 1: actually an alright guy man, and Baby is not a
Speaker 1: bad dude. He just got sucked up habits. Yeah, A
Speaker 1: good way to put it. You know he's got it
Speaker 1: is what it is, man, The truth is the truth.
Speaker 1: You know it was what it is. I ain't the
Speaker 1: first or the last nigger that said talk bad habits.
Speaker 1: Just farther just kissing his sons in the mouth, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's a bad that's a personal
Speaker 1: habit he needs to work on. But you know, each
Speaker 1: his own. You know, I don't have none against that,
Speaker 1: if that's what you're into. But you know, you know
Speaker 1: he's bad stunning man. You know, kissing people in the
Speaker 1: mouth ain't too you know, ain't too stunning like that?
Speaker 1: Ain't two gangs to me? Well, you know some cats
Speaker 1: might feel that. You know, this is my son, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I raised then I can kiss
Speaker 1: my son. Will Smith kiss his son? That's that same
Speaker 1: thing or that different. I don't know that he's ain't
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. That's what let me ask
Speaker 1: you all this because y'all both got sons. I got
Speaker 1: two sons and they was one of the kids I
Speaker 1: kissed on the cheat. I've never kissed either one of
Speaker 1: my sons in the mouth. Then when they was little
Speaker 1: like babies, I didn't one of their babies and you
Speaker 1: do that just different. But what's my times? Got pasted
Speaker 1: like four and five? Dude. It was always pounds my sons.
Speaker 1: Even now it's a pound? What's up, pops? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I still I still kiss my kissing
Speaker 1: on the cheek, kissing niggas gonna check. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: But you know that another man, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: people know, James, the niggas was taking they was lip blocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, it was. It was. Now you're to
Speaker 1: kissing if I don't think the time kissing right niflocking?
Speaker 1: Still you got to clean that ship up. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I mean when I say I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: grab my son like this and go like this them
Speaker 1: his lips touching. Man. Yeah, oh yeah, they showing kissing. Bro,
Speaker 1: They kissed they you know. But I'm saying I can't
Speaker 1: say I got used to it. You can't never get
Speaker 1: used to it. But the nigger answered it the same
Speaker 1: way any time I said anything about it, And then
Speaker 1: it just became a joke because they literally didn't give
Speaker 1: a funk what I thought or what nobody because stage
Speaker 1: that's that. And Wayne was just like bathing me, that's
Speaker 1: my pault. I don't give a funk what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: T same thing, you know. One thing, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: give him, guys, because Wayne was with him for a
Speaker 1: long time, so baby was like it was like his
Speaker 1: father figure. That's why it was so like, and that's
Speaker 1: why I was so kind of puzzling. Uh, cut up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, that's some crazy ship man. You know, kissing
Speaker 1: your shoe and it ain't your shn it ain't you
Speaker 1: son to a different put you on a different level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I picked you out out there riding on that
Speaker 1: bus with them catch under that condition, man, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have I couldn't have fun with it like that,
Speaker 1: because if you ain't treating me right while we're out here,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna treat me right when we get you
Speaker 1: the hood. Real talk, And that's probably how some of
Speaker 1: them people was getting at you, like these niggas ain't ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that exactly, and you know
Speaker 1: how many times it's been a many times. And they
Speaker 1: get on the bus and came to me like, man,
Speaker 1: can I get surprised and some teeth? Mind, get me
Speaker 1: something to eat? You know what I'm saying, the funck
Speaker 1: And we just came on fucking tuning. We on our
Speaker 1: way back to this nigga and we just nigga passed
Speaker 1: out bags of money. Like what the niggas on that
Speaker 1: bus didn't get ship? What the fuck? Like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: and that's the bus full of killers. No, this ain't
Speaker 1: gonna somebody that much of the shoot up. Nigga, you
Speaker 1: need to break bread man, stop right here, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know it's funked up because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day they wind up back in the hood
Speaker 1: and and and these niggers keep pushing right. No, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I say this much. Though I say
Speaker 1: this much. I saw I saw the nigga not too
Speaker 1: long ago, and it was some of the same niggas
Speaker 1: still there, still there. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you say about that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Maybe act together, maybe didn't. Maybe the nigga is stupid.
Speaker 1: Maybe they I don't know. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: know it's some of the same niggas. That's just like
Speaker 1: with like with suld you know, motherfucker's don't know what
Speaker 1: else to do. Is that what it is? Yeah, time
Speaker 1: is I mean they gotta be making enough to live then, yeah,
Speaker 1: they well they're getting something plush Man death Row had.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's getting a little raggedy ass chick m still with
Speaker 1: their little hustle. I did shilling crack on the corners
Speaker 1: and ship. When you sing the industry like that, or
Speaker 1: working with the nigger that's making money like that, you
Speaker 1: come to get me. You're telling me you come to
Speaker 1: take me out the hood, right, that's what you should
Speaker 1: be doing. But if you go down like that, and
Speaker 1: then you know a lot of motherfucker's was coming and going.
Speaker 1: But then at the end of the day, the ones
Speaker 1: that was your killers man ain't going nowhere, and they
Speaker 1: were selling off that the homies they rather dies and
Speaker 1: niggas they broke bread with just they on the motherfucking
Speaker 1: on on board with this dude, and money is a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But you know, some cats feel like they gotta do
Speaker 1: what they gotta do to be relevant, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's a cool way to be Ain't the way in
Speaker 1: the world. A nothing that's nigga can run motherfucking killers
Speaker 1: and ain't supposed to happen like that, nah now at all. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Big Bro would have goes back to what
Speaker 1: she was saying earlier exchange, it's always that whole because see,
Speaker 1: as long as you got that whole, and you already
Speaker 1: know when you ship shaking in the hood, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So people would rather almost be on
Speaker 1: the road because you get this, go to some places
Speaker 1: and ship like that. But you would think man with
Speaker 1: all the bread baby was getting what was they per
Speaker 1: diemed like on the road? I'm pretty sure that perdem
Speaker 1: was like Fis or some ship like that wasn't Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't you know what, I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know. I honestly don't know, because like I didn't
Speaker 1: ride the bus with them niggas, and like I didn't
Speaker 1: my pay scale wasn't like everybody else's because I made
Speaker 1: most of my money for writing ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like we would do the tours or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know, I make a little money on the
Speaker 1: tours or whatever, but in the studio, burman Is is relentless.
Speaker 1: Like well, at the time when I was there, like that,
Speaker 1: Nigga was about that catalog, that catale, all that catalog
Speaker 1: songs on top of songs on typ of songs. And
Speaker 1: the more I was in the studio, the more than
Speaker 1: Nigga would pay. So that's where I wanted to spend
Speaker 1: all my time. So a lot of times they would
Speaker 1: be off doing whatever they're doing, and I'd be refresh
Speaker 1: or I'm with Jazzy, or I'm with somebody making the music.
Speaker 1: And I didn't get paid at the same time as them,
Speaker 1: like none, None of my ship was like theirs. So
Speaker 1: that's why I said in the beginning like I just
Speaker 1: had just financially, I just had a totally different experience
Speaker 1: than them. That's why I think I lasted for so long,
Speaker 1: because a lot of the bullshit was going on over
Speaker 1: my head, Like we would literally go to the mall
Speaker 1: and tear the motherfucker down. Every nigger come out of
Speaker 1: there with boxes and boxes and ship. Right, it looked
Speaker 1: to me, at least at first, like everybody is fine,
Speaker 1: but it was also the trips when they was on
Speaker 1: the Chipley circuit, which I wouldn't take because I'd be
Speaker 1: in the studio. So I don't know what. I know
Speaker 1: that it started getting bad because we started traveling a lot.
Speaker 1: Like after we did his album, we really started doing
Speaker 1: a lot of touring, and that's when it was more
Speaker 1: kind of just stopping in different spots to being in
Speaker 1: the studio as opposed to like we would normally just
Speaker 1: me and Fresh would be camped up in Atlanta just record, record,
Speaker 1: record for weeks at a time. Then after Birdman's album
Speaker 1: came out, started traveling a lot, and that's when I
Speaker 1: started seeing like how the ship really was going for
Speaker 1: a lot of the niggas out there. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, just so you can get the picture of
Speaker 1: this baby in the kind of road like you do.
Speaker 1: You know how you don't fly on nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Say that, but they're all plus three six or five
Speaker 1: days a year, Yeah, with back with bags of money
Speaker 1: that I've never did them. Dude, don't give no planes
Speaker 1: at all. So you know, you got two of the
Speaker 1: biggest people man to me. And for the record, we're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of negative stuff about cash may not
Speaker 1: a negative is just the truth. But one thing out
Speaker 1: will say, cash money has had a stronghold on rap
Speaker 1: since the nineties even on up until you know the
Speaker 1: whole you got the Drakes because you know, every time
Speaker 1: you look up and say, man, the niggas it's done,
Speaker 1: Wayne is gone, juvenile gone, it's somebody else that kind
Speaker 1: of pop up and take that man on. So as
Speaker 1: far as them being you know, black executives, man, I
Speaker 1: gotta give them their props with that because they keep
Speaker 1: the train moving. That they keep the train moving, for sure,
Speaker 1: but you think about how much bigger they would have
Speaker 1: been because one thing about it, their level of production
Speaker 1: hasn't been the same since Fresh left. So you would think,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pay anybody, I'm gonna make sure this
Speaker 1: motherfucker's many stay straight. You don't make sure Wayne be cool,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's about it. Because
Speaker 1: everybody that's that's in there and that's managing people, they
Speaker 1: they should think like that. You would think you would
Speaker 1: take a tupack in, sit his ass and on the
Speaker 1: chef somewhere and keep him out of harm's way for
Speaker 1: everything and anything. You would think, you know, all of
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, I don't know if they motherfucker's
Speaker 1: just just friends, be friending each other and just get
Speaker 1: too loose with it. But you gotta think about what's
Speaker 1: making your money. If you lose what's making your money,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna make no money. And it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fun up thing that you know, why the industry
Speaker 1: have to take advantage of talent? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Why do they have to take advantage of you? I mean,
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker just can't one hundred, have been one
Speaker 1: hundred and stay one hunted, you still have a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers together right now in to day. But I've
Speaker 1: seen from the temptations all the way to the ship.
Speaker 1: Now motherfucker's have a problem with money, you know, feeling
Speaker 1: that they're being cheated. If you know what you're signing
Speaker 1: in and know what you're doing, it shouldn't be a problem. One.
Speaker 1: The biggest problem is though, the biggest problem is the
Speaker 1: temptation of Uh. It's some kind of thought process. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't I think the devil me, but it's some
Speaker 1: kind of thought process that that people have that I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just trying to take the quick,
Speaker 1: easy way out, or the easy money or the fastest
Speaker 1: money or whatever. But whatever that that little conversation is
Speaker 1: that people have with themselves. They lose a lot of
Speaker 1: ownership that way, right, And when you're dealing with the
Speaker 1: type of people that we're talking about, you got to
Speaker 1: have ownership. If you got ownership, they can't treat you
Speaker 1: like they treat everybody else exactly. A lot of it's
Speaker 1: been a lot of talented people that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: have been in a position of leverage and they've given
Speaker 1: their ownership away. And that roll of the dice works
Speaker 1: negatively more than it works positive when you know where
Speaker 1: the lt And this would I tell people, and and
Speaker 1: this happens a lot, man, with especially us, because usually
Speaker 1: we're coming out of the situation, like you said, man,
Speaker 1: the world we live in property. Right when we first
Speaker 1: fought in these situations, we got talent, but we don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have nobody around. It's like one person. I gotta
Speaker 1: give props to a Charlotte man. Yeah, when he came
Speaker 1: to us and he asked us what was most important,
Speaker 1: we told him, you know, we wanted to keep owning
Speaker 1: our content. And he said he never had no intention
Speaker 1: on taking our content man. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people when they're coming up them situations, the first
Speaker 1: thing they think of is a check, right m But
Speaker 1: they don't know what's behind that check. It ain't no sex.
Speaker 1: Thing is free money. Somebody give you a check. The
Speaker 1: bigger that check hills, the more they are going to
Speaker 1: take out of your stuff. And when we're getting the
Speaker 1: place right now, man, that we're all content. Remember you
Speaker 1: used to just be music that was valuable. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: particular interview that we're doing, for example, right now, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: gonna be looking at the twenty years from now, possible time,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years from now. So now we're in this
Speaker 1: thing to where you have to be really careful and
Speaker 1: cautious to all y'all out there when you are exampling
Speaker 1: these situations and endeavors. Don't just think about how much
Speaker 1: money you're gonna give me, your friend. You can go
Speaker 1: earn your money. You can work for your money and
Speaker 1: make plenty of money. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: have to really look better behind the things, behind the details,
Speaker 1: because the motherfucker's word and ships whatever on that paper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what you got that want to want to get it,
Speaker 1: get it quick, get that quick money, opposed to being
Speaker 1: talked how to let your money grow. We don't understand
Speaker 1: that that kind of shep let your money grow. I
Speaker 1: got a little money, but I keep doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: My money gonna grow. We gotta learn how to say it.
Speaker 1: We'ren't doing that. There's one chip that told me about
Speaker 1: the big coins I'm getting in the big coins now,
Speaker 1: So I mean, we don't know shit about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's right, you know, But I gotta ask you, man,
Speaker 1: what's that I heard you? If you did something with
Speaker 1: R Kelly Man? Is he a cool dude? Or is
Speaker 1: he just scanders like everybody says that was man? He Uh,
Speaker 1: he's a he's weird. He's very weird. But but he's
Speaker 1: a genius. He's weird because he's a genius. And most
Speaker 1: people I've been around that's that talented, that's that gifted,
Speaker 1: is some kind of thing about them that's just kind
Speaker 1: of off. So like he his that dude is just
Speaker 1: about music and about women and everything everything every other
Speaker 1: extension him it comes from them two things. So when
Speaker 1: you're working with him, it's tons of women around when
Speaker 1: you win the studio, if the women don't like what
Speaker 1: you're working on, you're gonna erase the ship and start over.
Speaker 1: Women are there to tell the nigga if it's good
Speaker 1: or not. And he gonna listen to the women over
Speaker 1: listening to anybody else. That's why he That's why he
Speaker 1: should sound like that. And yeah, the nigga, you know,
Speaker 1: he just he freaky nigga. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about the whole all the
Speaker 1: kids and all that kind of ship. I know all
Speaker 1: the time I spent around him, all the brawls that
Speaker 1: was there. They was getting paid handsomely to be there
Speaker 1: doing they was doing, and what none of them upset about? Nothing, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I could say about that was outside of that,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a lot of music.
Speaker 1: We was working on, the best of both worlds. Part two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be what I was about to
Speaker 1: ask you. That was supposed to be and Man Woman.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be Birdman and R Kelly supposed
Speaker 1: to be Birdman and R Kelly instead of uh Kelly
Speaker 1: and jay Z. Kelly and jay Z had fell out
Speaker 1: and we all flew up to Chicago. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: come on, let's get done. Is what happened. We had
Speaker 1: we was on tour um with Nelly them after that
Speaker 1: first trial situation of his and booing Gotti. Baby had
Speaker 1: just signed him. We was in Chicago and they wanted
Speaker 1: to bring him out on stage and he was scared.
Speaker 1: He was like, they're gonna boom me. They're gonna boom me.
Speaker 1: So we all backstage trying to pump him up to
Speaker 1: come up, come on out. The nigga came out, they
Speaker 1: did Yester together, everybody went crazy, and then it was
Speaker 1: that was it. He was back on because he had
Speaker 1: been like out of the just like out of the
Speaker 1: way for a while after that little trial situation at
Speaker 1: the first one and uh after that, he just kind
Speaker 1: of felt like, man, Baby, I oh you because like you,
Speaker 1: you know, gave me my mojo back kind of some
Speaker 1: ship like that. So he was like he had fell
Speaker 1: out with jay z Um, they still got he still
Speaker 1: got an obligation to do the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: So he's like, well, I me and you just do it.
Speaker 1: And that boy and the baby was exciting, and Baby
Speaker 1: was like, man, I gotta get my people on this.
Speaker 1: He was like, I need teach you riding some ship.
Speaker 1: I need fresh doing some beats. I need Jazzy on
Speaker 1: this ship. And he wayne up here, and so Kelly
Speaker 1: was like, man, y'all, just come on up here and
Speaker 1: stay with me. We do all the ship at the
Speaker 1: house and we have parties, we have pool parties, have
Speaker 1: bitches all over the place, and let's just do some
Speaker 1: rock star ship. Sure enough, we went up there and
Speaker 1: that's what we did. Yeah, well man, and what was
Speaker 1: the end result of that? You know what I gotta ask?
Speaker 1: Uh so so, so you know you said when you
Speaker 1: said that was supposed to be that Part two was
Speaker 1: supposed to be even him right, So basically, I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, But like Nikki, Kelly just all of
Speaker 1: a sudden flip. I don't know if he stopped answering
Speaker 1: the phone, but we stopped working with the nigga stopped
Speaker 1: going up there all of a sudden, Best of both
Speaker 1: worlds Part two was out with him and fucking jay Z.
Speaker 1: They didn't know nothing about it. And boy, you're talking
Speaker 1: about hurt, but we was all hurt. Nigga. It was
Speaker 1: all sad because I have our six songs on that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is I'm about to bounce after this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, when this album comes out, I got
Speaker 1: some I got some copyright on this one. At the time,
Speaker 1: it was kind of you know, I was getting it
Speaker 1: was getting towards the end of it, I was I
Speaker 1: don't want to do my own thing. I was falling
Speaker 1: off overseas and like it was a big chunk of
Speaker 1: my money that used to come from overseas before I
Speaker 1: even went to cash money. And the nigga just would
Speaker 1: never let me, just never wanted me to go. Any
Speaker 1: time I would have a tour or something, somebody come
Speaker 1: up with something for me to do, he would always, well,
Speaker 1: how much money you ain't gonna pay you. I'll tell
Speaker 1: him he said, I'll give you more than that, And
Speaker 1: I end up staying. And then once it got towards
Speaker 1: the end of it, I'm like, man, I gotta I
Speaker 1: got some other other opportunities. So I had a situation
Speaker 1: for myself at Warner Brothers after this deal was over
Speaker 1: and this last the option for the last year was
Speaker 1: my option wasn't there. So when that option came up, man,
Speaker 1: I just bounced and I thought I was gonna be
Speaker 1: able to bounce with that best of both worlds part two,
Speaker 1: you know under my Belt. Yeah, oh that nigga low
Speaker 1: down for that. But again, like I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened behind closed doors. I know what I know Birdman
Speaker 1: was was he was shocked. As far as he was concerned,
Speaker 1: he was shocked. We was all shocked because the album
Speaker 1: was the ship. If I could have got away with
Speaker 1: them songs, nigga, who them niggas had a them niggas
Speaker 1: had a masterpiece. I don't know where them songs at.
Speaker 1: I don't know who got ownership of them or what
Speaker 1: because I ain't heard him nowhere, But like them niggas
Speaker 1: had a banger. And literally this was at the time
Speaker 1: at the time Baby was on some Looking back, I
Speaker 1: think he was just I think he was kind of
Speaker 1: hurt behind the hot boys. He felt like they did
Speaker 1: him some kind of way, which they didn't. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the other way around. But the nigga was just
Speaker 1: in this mode where this nigga turned down so many people.
Speaker 1: He could have had t I could have had Jeezy
Speaker 1: uh Bone, Thugs Webb and Boosey Jacket edge Um, and
Speaker 1: then there was so many artists that could have signed
Speaker 1: it cash money. That's like popping right now that he
Speaker 1: literally is like, nah, Slim, I don't want to sign them.
Speaker 1: Oh so he could have had all of them. He
Speaker 1: could have had jeez, you know them. Hell yeah, he
Speaker 1: could have fifty cents. Hell yeah, he could have had
Speaker 1: so many people. But he's just like he's tellings no
Speaker 1: nothing right. That's that's so damn like, ain't gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what's shining like, man, you know what's sing like? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: oh no, you know. But but the thing is, though, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta start doing better. Man's um black executives, man,
Speaker 1: because all will give you know, just like we SIMI.
Speaker 1: You know, we're having a little fun man, baby is
Speaker 1: you know Baby and Slim they've done some incredible things
Speaker 1: in the game. Man, you can't dispute that. And you
Speaker 1: know he with r Kelly, Man, his situation is unfortunate. Man.
Speaker 1: But this is what I think would have kept like
Speaker 1: R Kelly. R Kelly can't read it write. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know that, right. R Kelly kind of
Speaker 1: like a T said, R Kelly is weird. R Kelly
Speaker 1: kind of thinks like a fifteen sixteen year old kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I was mine, you know, so I think
Speaker 1: that's what the thing he was. Man, he probably feels
Speaker 1: more comfortable with around younger people. I wasn't there, so
Speaker 1: I will never sit up in the ques no man,
Speaker 1: you know, allegedly, you know, he's doing some other stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, to me, you know, even with his situation,
Speaker 1: different parents knew what they was getting into. You let
Speaker 1: your daughter go up there an audition with R Kelly.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, man, listen. I spend time at the
Speaker 1: man house. I spent time working with the man. I
Speaker 1: got songs with the man and and then it it'sn't
Speaker 1: been tons of women around the place. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, I wasn't there all the time. I don't
Speaker 1: know what didn't happened since then, this was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I know during the time that I was there,
Speaker 1: everyone and that was and some of them I went
Speaker 1: in depth with conversation. They were telling me about the houses,
Speaker 1: they didn't got, they didn't got put through college, they
Speaker 1: did this, did that. It seemed just like a cool
Speaker 1: situation for everybody involved. You know, Kills did a lot
Speaker 1: of ships, Man, Kills a lot of ship for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Man. I think it's one of them things. Man.
Speaker 1: You know how they say, you know, first they love you,
Speaker 1: then they hate you. It's just like, man, the media
Speaker 1: love to destroy artists. Man. Yeah, they find something man
Speaker 1: to run with. Man, they just running with it. They
Speaker 1: got it hard on for that, Yeah, they got a
Speaker 1: hard on for it. Man. And you know, nobody really,
Speaker 1: nobody really knows the truth of what went on. Man.
Speaker 1: It's just a sad situation. Man. But you got some
Speaker 1: real cool ship going on right now though. Man, It's
Speaker 1: way different outside the lame the music ship though. I do.
Speaker 1: I do. Me and my boy started up started a
Speaker 1: sports magazine website called Franchise Sports Media out here in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Um, it's a you know what, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a unique place for sports. Um. It's my second home.
Speaker 1: I've been had a place up here for years. I
Speaker 1: would I used to go back and forth between home
Speaker 1: and here until I just moved up here all the
Speaker 1: way two years ago. And yeah, you know when the
Speaker 1: Golden Knights came here, the hockey team, they came here,
Speaker 1: and they did real well out of nowhere and this town,
Speaker 1: like when they lost their minds for the hockey team
Speaker 1: and the experience. It's like going to a Laker game.
Speaker 1: It's Vegas, so it's the entertainment. They all about the
Speaker 1: entertainment surrounding the game. So the kids are into it,
Speaker 1: the old folks is into it, the niggas is into it,
Speaker 1: the Mexicans into it. And when you know, man, I
Speaker 1: never gave a funk about no howk. But you go
Speaker 1: to one of these games up here to presentation, it
Speaker 1: takes you to the next level and it's kind of spreading.
Speaker 1: And the Raiders that's my team already, and it's starting
Speaker 1: to become like a sports town with that's like a
Speaker 1: little small college town with a big sports population. So man,
Speaker 1: we we ended up um getting official media credential for
Speaker 1: the Raiders, for the Golden Nights, UM, the Dodgers and
Speaker 1: the Lakers too, because this city is just a just
Speaker 1: a transplant of a bunch of l a people, to
Speaker 1: be honest, and we've been doing pretty well. Man. It's
Speaker 1: it's we we we report the sports in a different way.
Speaker 1: We curate our own highlight reels. Um. We get into
Speaker 1: the recruiting with the kids. We shoot a lot of
Speaker 1: eight they they reels for for their recruiting and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Um, we shoot all that, all of the
Speaker 1: Raider games, the v g K games, the UNLV games,
Speaker 1: and it's growing. Man, It's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, everybody in the music and most
Speaker 1: artists wanted to play balls in kind of way and
Speaker 1: vice versa. So it's just kind of you know, I
Speaker 1: always dreamed of playing football first. Then I stopped growing,
Speaker 1: so I went to my second love, which was doing music.
Speaker 1: And not that I'm never gonna stop doing that, but man,
Speaker 1: shoot on Sundays, I'm at the stadium on the sideline
Speaker 1: with my camera. Bro. You always have been heavy in
Speaker 1: the football specifically. Man. Yeah, yeah, we got we gotta
Speaker 1: get you where you validated, Man, where you got the
Speaker 1: pass for the Trojan games? Man, we get everything back
Speaker 1: open up? Man. Yeah, hell yeah. I'll be down there, bro,
Speaker 1: because I'm actually shooting myself. So you know a lot
Speaker 1: of them, a lot of the Raider highlights and stuff
Speaker 1: that you'll see on our site. It's it's Franchise Sports
Speaker 1: Media dot Com. That's me actually on the sideline with
Speaker 1: the camera. Like it's fun and it's like the because
Speaker 1: I led a team so much and I led a game,
Speaker 1: so much like being down there on the sideline and here,
Speaker 1: what's actually going on? And you're a whole lot of
Speaker 1: perspective when you you you own a media company, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's it's a way too
Speaker 1: to really bring the sports news to the people in
Speaker 1: a way that's just not dry, like you know this
Speaker 1: is this is it's dry, and I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: trying to wet up a little bit. Well, you always
Speaker 1: have been, like on the cup, like that's always respected
Speaker 1: your business acumen, because it seems like you always had
Speaker 1: something going on outside of music, like a real business. Um.
Speaker 1: What was the thing you had man, where you used
Speaker 1: to help the kids go to college? Man of the
Speaker 1: Black Universities everything? Yeah, yeah, NCR, National College Resources, um,
Speaker 1: Black College expot and it's expanded now. It's like it's huge,
Speaker 1: But you just used around when it first started. Those dude,
Speaker 1: he's one of the first people I talked about it.
Speaker 1: Talk to your body, Are you still doing it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're still doing it, man, it's just it's going to
Speaker 1: the point where my manager is just it's at a
Speaker 1: different level now. It's like fourteen different cities. Um, we
Speaker 1: didn't got to three hundred thousand kids in school over
Speaker 1: the time that we've done it. And we have these
Speaker 1: expos basically where kids could just come to this expo,
Speaker 1: bring your transcripts, bring your essay T or a C
Speaker 1: T scores, and literally get signed up right there. What
Speaker 1: we do is we have the colleges that come and participate.
Speaker 1: We haven't waived all their application fees and all of
Speaker 1: that other stuff, and the kids just show up and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: it's like a meat market, but it's a meat market
Speaker 1: for the kids too. You can literally go and interview
Speaker 1: schools for the experience that you want, and um, it's
Speaker 1: been working man. It's like it's just the more you expand,
Speaker 1: the more you find the need. A lot of these
Speaker 1: kids were qualified to to get higher education if they
Speaker 1: want to, but they just don't have the information which
Speaker 1: is the bridge to get them there. And like that's
Speaker 1: that's that's very serious. If it's just literally you meeting
Speaker 1: somebody that would allow you to get in school when
Speaker 1: you when you're thinking that you have no shot because
Speaker 1: you know, you in Houston and in the hood somewhere
Speaker 1: and you ain't got no money and you ain't got
Speaker 1: no scholarship. Man. It's so it's still so many opportunities,
Speaker 1: but it's hell to find them. So it's all about
Speaker 1: linking linking these kids with people. Man. It's some listen, bro,
Speaker 1: it's some horror stories as far as the situation that
Speaker 1: black children, black teenagers are in today, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about before depending like we are struggling to catch up
Speaker 1: in education and social skills and everything else because the
Speaker 1: breakdown of our families. Hey, bro it it that's the
Speaker 1: pandemic for us people. That's hard pandemic. And we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta pay attention because we can't afford to lose
Speaker 1: the whole generation. Hey, we came for to lose the
Speaker 1: whole generation. Bro. So this this program, um, Black College
Speaker 1: expot dot com, NCR dot com. Everybody that's watching this
Speaker 1: and you want to get your kid in school. You
Speaker 1: know a kid is under privilege that needs to get
Speaker 1: in school. Go to either one of those websites or
Speaker 1: just look up Just go to Google and look up
Speaker 1: Black College Expo. We got the ship on a lot.
Speaker 1: You will find us. Um, it don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: In two thousand twenty one for black kids that want
Speaker 1: to get into school to not get into school because
Speaker 1: they can't. And you know what, man, the one thing
Speaker 1: that coverage gives you I always tell people, Man, the
Speaker 1: degree from from a college, Man is a great thing, right.
Speaker 1: It's the social skills and it's the network of people
Speaker 1: that you meet. And it's a good thing because I've
Speaker 1: seen guys come from other confident Watts and they go
Speaker 1: to school somewhere, they go down, they go out of town,
Speaker 1: they go to Atlanta, they go to Colorado on different places,
Speaker 1: and they come back and hold different people talking because
Speaker 1: they've seen something different outside the hood. And me and
Speaker 1: James we are getting our nonprofit start, you know, kicked
Speaker 1: off man. We could be working with a nonprofit called
Speaker 1: Fathers to Fathers and we have some incredible stuff we're doing. Man,
Speaker 1: meet and James and eight. You know, we've got to
Speaker 1: speak for the home eight too. He's not here tonight,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, but we would love to get
Speaker 1: involved with that with you man. Just as far as
Speaker 1: getting word out, man, I think absolutely. Hell yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: we exchange that information. Um, we'll link you' all onto
Speaker 1: the site, y'all link us back and let's ship, let's link.
Speaker 1: We got man, we got programs going on in Land
Speaker 1: Will Unified, l A, Unified, UM, Inglewood across across the
Speaker 1: whole city. Like we got programs going in all the
Speaker 1: schools for for STEM, for for everything everything, Like even
Speaker 1: even though we I mean we even got the Latin
Speaker 1: College Expo. Now like since the last time I talked
Speaker 1: to you, it's expanded by the graceful guy. Like people
Speaker 1: have really came in and started to help with money.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is bottom line, you can
Speaker 1: have ideas all day, you can have execution all day.
Speaker 1: You ain't got money, you ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 1: help nobody. And it's a lot of people with money
Speaker 1: that I want to help and just don't know how
Speaker 1: to help. It's just it's all about trying to find
Speaker 1: ways to bridge these gaps. Its ways people people, People
Speaker 1: that want to give money away can get all kinds
Speaker 1: of kickbacks and all kinds of extra perks for their
Speaker 1: life just because they gave the money away and they
Speaker 1: want to get the money away. So it's like we
Speaker 1: we just um, we just had an online galla uh
Speaker 1: to be last month, um trying to raise some money
Speaker 1: to expand some more. So that's what it's about, man,
Speaker 1: It's about if we get these kids it's cool, then
Speaker 1: then the people that's running the country won't have us
Speaker 1: in the type of situation that we in right now. Right,
Speaker 1: That's it. It's like we we gotta make a farm team, bro,
Speaker 1: just like the baseball teams do. Got plant the Sea's
Speaker 1: gotta contivate them and put them into places where they
Speaker 1: need to be to lead us. The only way we're
Speaker 1: gonna do that is with education, right yeah. Man, that's
Speaker 1: one thing that means James always say, man, that we
Speaker 1: have to use this platform. Man. You know that the
Speaker 1: platform man is dope. Man, we come on and tell
Speaker 1: these stories. But me and James, and I think I
Speaker 1: speak for James too when he can elaborate if he
Speaker 1: wants to um. Our biggest thing is to get this
Speaker 1: type of information out to the neighborhood. Man. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: the people that's watching, for the kid that may be
Speaker 1: watching this. There's somewhere in Uston Dallas Comfence, somewhere in
Speaker 1: his room thinking like, Man, I want to go to
Speaker 1: school and make a change, because we got to catch
Speaker 1: the kids when they early. And James He speaks on
Speaker 1: that all the time, man, about the importance of catching
Speaker 1: these guys when they are young like that do make
Speaker 1: a change, because there's people man. You know, literally when
Speaker 1: you turn sixteen and seventeen. Man, it's like you at
Speaker 1: the four in the row, you can need to go
Speaker 1: this way or that way, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And younger than that, even younger than that. Man. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of kids don't have a sense
Speaker 1: of belonging to something. They don't. They don't they don't
Speaker 1: have nobody that care. Now, if you got a program
Speaker 1: and theydn't know they can go to college, They're gonna
Speaker 1: go to school so they can go to college. I
Speaker 1: think that it's a saint. It's a saint in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Her name is Dr Teresa Price, Dr Teresa Right. She's
Speaker 1: the director of Black College Expo National College Resources, and
Speaker 1: she getting kids in school left and right. Right, ain't
Speaker 1: no way in hell. I mean, it's it's at least
Speaker 1: worth a try, you know what I'm saying. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit up here and promise the world to every
Speaker 1: single child and say that every single child that can
Speaker 1: get in school. But bro, I have seen some stories.
Speaker 1: I have seen some situations where I was saying to myself,
Speaker 1: ain't no way in hell nobody excepting this mother, and
Speaker 1: she is too. I'm thinking two or three of them
Speaker 1: right now, one in medical school, a nurse, and one
Speaker 1: trying to run for office. Literally, man, literally, man. It's
Speaker 1: it's all about some kind of foundation. A lot of
Speaker 1: times they missed that foundation. The community has to find
Speaker 1: a way to put our arms around them and build
Speaker 1: an alternate foundation, because every every kid needs some kind
Speaker 1: of foundation, right. I gotta have it exactly, man, Like
Speaker 1: I said, Man, that's a beautiful thing. Man, and you
Speaker 1: can come this see in Man, what was the lady's
Speaker 1: name again? Dr Teresa Tosa Price? Drresa Pricing right there now, man,
Speaker 1: because because because see people like man, and that's the
Speaker 1: important stuff. Man. We spend a lot of times as
Speaker 1: blacks man being stuck on bullshit. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 1: somebody has skip over all this good information that we're
Speaker 1: giving right now and they want to go back and
Speaker 1: hear us talk about you know, a bird man was
Speaker 1: doing this and tell me this. You know, they want
Speaker 1: to hear that. They want to hear the bullshit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? We got to hear him a
Speaker 1: little bit of that to give him the stuff like this,
Speaker 1: you know that. But that's a beautiful thing. Man. Any
Speaker 1: Way we can be involved in health, man, because that's
Speaker 1: our big core mission right now. We are going to
Speaker 1: actually be going to the city of Dallas. We're getting
Speaker 1: that stuff worked out right now. You know, this COVID
Speaker 1: stuff makes stuff kind of you gotta move the right way. Know,
Speaker 1: you gotta move the right way because everybody's gotta be safe. Man.
Speaker 1: But that's shooting. That's something change we need to bring
Speaker 1: down here with us. Yeah, you go down there because
Speaker 1: like James said, man, that the average person man that
Speaker 1: joins the gang man, they are really looking to belong
Speaker 1: to something and dedicate They like to something, why not
Speaker 1: dedicated to something positive? And you'd be surprised at how
Speaker 1: many of them you could slip rights. They don't know that,
Speaker 1: you know, Levis and the T shirt and the khakis
Speaker 1: and the hat, that's all they know. Put the brothers
Speaker 1: and shooting and watch your smile, watch you and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm surety shocked. You know. That's all you gotta do
Speaker 1: is give him a chance you can change, and they yeah,
Speaker 1: you can they'd be ready to go that, man, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and when what I want to do, all the links
Speaker 1: to the stuff that t Q was talking about will
Speaker 1: be in the um looking the description of the show.
Speaker 1: We have all the links right there. Man. Let's let's
Speaker 1: go out there. Let's see somebody get blissed. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: instead of just delivering bad news all the time, let's
Speaker 1: hear some positive stories. Let's do some talking. Man. Let's
Speaker 1: look up a couple of years from now, somebody said
Speaker 1: they was watching this, they was watching this episode and
Speaker 1: they got in school. I mean we're doing something right. Yeah, exactly, man, exactly, man,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm serious. Tis, I'm gonna be on you
Speaker 1: because we already got some stuff going on with the
Speaker 1: sports stuff that I'm plugging you with. Man, be on
Speaker 1: you about this. Man, Let's go see Dr Teresa. Man, Man,
Speaker 1: that's nothing, that's easy. Dr Teresa is the person that
Speaker 1: got me in the music industry. And she went from
Speaker 1: the music and from radio to the music industry to
Speaker 1: doing this and this is what she's been doing ever since.
Speaker 1: And in my in my music career, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of me getting out there was performing at
Speaker 1: this expo because it was so big. Like we man,
Speaker 1: we had fifty sixty kids at the l A Can
Speaker 1: interesting and every year that's still our biggest one. So
Speaker 1: this is the first time we did it since what
Speaker 1: I think two thousands. Because of COVID, we had to
Speaker 1: do the virtual version mm hmm yeah yeah see and
Speaker 1: see that's why it's important man that we get that
Speaker 1: message out there. Man. I really appreciate you. Man, We
Speaker 1: appreciate you man coming on man. Yeah, and then thank
Speaker 1: you all for having me, bro. Thank congratulations on the deal,
Speaker 1: on the success and all of that. Man. I like
Speaker 1: what y'are doing. Bro. Thank you're bading me anytime? Oh
Speaker 1: for sure. Man, we didn't go ahead, we we we
Speaker 1: definitely go ab you back man again. Man, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. There we go. Man. I guess
Speaker 1: that's another episode right there. Man. Remember keep the Homeboy
Speaker 1: REGs you right in constant prayer. Um, our brother is
Speaker 1: out there fighting right now. Man. Uh, he's fighting right now.
Speaker 1: I know James had an update. Um he got updated
Speaker 1: on him when we Saturday. James, Yeah, the same thing
Speaker 1: he said. He moving his eyes. Um, they're keeping him
Speaker 1: up under uh that Anesthesias ship. They're keeping him sleep,
Speaker 1: So it sounds serious to me. But Reggie's a fighter,
Speaker 1: Reggie fighting if he wouldn't need to give up a
Speaker 1: long time ago, and I'm just praying for him. And
Speaker 1: well there, you know, like I said, my sister got
Speaker 1: it and my full little cousins got it, and it
Speaker 1: ain't nothing to play with. It's real ship. That that
Speaker 1: ship is real. So then I had it all December, bro.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's nothing to play with. Anybody out there
Speaker 1: that think that ship is just some I don't wish
Speaker 1: that ship, don't nobody. So if you ain't got to
Speaker 1: get it, don't get it right. It's definitely, it's definitely.
Speaker 1: You know, I went through it. I went through my
Speaker 1: boat with it, man. And then that's the thing about it, man,
Speaker 1: because when we caught it, man, my daughter had the
Speaker 1: first and she just only had a headache for a
Speaker 1: couple of days. My wife, she was still running around
Speaker 1: the house like it wasn't up wrong. And that was
Speaker 1: the scary part about it, because she could have been
Speaker 1: out there interacting with people are doing everything it was.
Speaker 1: There's some people that just don't care. So let's be
Speaker 1: responsible because everybody's not gonna get the same result. It
Speaker 1: may be somebody you may not. You may be asymptomatic,
Speaker 1: but you may go see your grandmother something who going
Speaker 1: her and make killer real talk. Man you know, man
Speaker 1: piece and prayers, Man of love of y'all. Man we
Speaker 1: out of here, yea man. Well. That concludes another episode
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