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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wednesday, March sixth edition of

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Speaker 1: Between the Horns. Miles Simmons back in the Saddle with

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Speaker 1: DeMarco far How do you DeMarco yeehaw, Miles. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: back in the saddle. Yeah, I love it. It is

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Speaker 1: just eleven am Pacific time here in a rainy O'gorea Hills,

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Speaker 1: California today. Do you have trouble getting down the highway?

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Speaker 1: It's funny, man, Um, when it rains, it's easier for

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Speaker 1: me to get here. That is crazy, because it took

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Speaker 1: me a long time to get here this morning, probably

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Speaker 1: because I'm I'm going through rush hour and you're not

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Speaker 1: what what what freeway? Are you taking? One on one?

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Speaker 1: One on one all the way over? Yeah? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so there was a big rig that like crashed

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Speaker 1: and apparently jack knifed in Calabasas sometime overnight. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so you could still see. So the thing about what

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Speaker 1: ended baron way out? Um, but no, it was interesting

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Speaker 1: is you know you see Google maps, right, and Google

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Speaker 1: Maps will sometimes tell you to go a different way

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Speaker 1: in order to avoid traffic. Oh yeah yeah, but like

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that when I'm going down toward like actual la.

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Speaker 1: It gets it really right. But when it rains and

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Speaker 1: like something happens and you know there's something that's impacting

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Speaker 1: one oh one coming up this way. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: just doesn't matter on the highway. You're one of those

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Speaker 1: people that adjust your route as you go when it

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Speaker 1: suggests you do it. I do. Oh, I ignore that

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Speaker 1: hell out of it. When I'm coming here the next time,

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Speaker 1: I will just ignore it. Man, stick with your plan,

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Speaker 1: stay with it. Why adjust on the fly? Well I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's only gonna make you're frustrated. Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It really works. But oh, we've got a lot to

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Speaker 1: go over with the NFL combine last week running into

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Speaker 1: this week. You know, the Rams have already started to

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Speaker 1: make some moves related to free agency, as you just

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Speaker 1: alluded to report on Todd Gurley that we'll talk about.

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Speaker 1: And then I owe you, owe me an apology. I

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Speaker 1: told you something was up. Look, I could care less

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Speaker 1: what people say, head coach and player. I believe what

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Speaker 1: I see. I hear you, Yeah, I hear you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's but you could tell something was up, something was up.

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Speaker 1: But what was said was basically what we already knew. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get back to that, okay, because I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: my apology. We'll get back to that two or three

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Speaker 1: between the Horns Ago sitting right where you're sitting. We

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Speaker 1: almost got into an argument. We'll get back to that

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Speaker 1: because I want to start with some of these moves.

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Speaker 1: So John Sullivan sly will not be picking up his

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Speaker 1: option for the twenty nineteen season. Dam And then, as

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Speaker 1: you just said, the Rams are reportedly going to release

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Speaker 1: linebacker Mark Barron at the start of the new league year.

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Speaker 1: And so I say reportedly because it's not an official

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Speaker 1: move yet. Part of the reason for that is because

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Speaker 1: if there is some trade interest from another team, they

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Speaker 1: can still contact the Rams and maybe they can walk

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Speaker 1: something out before the start of the new league years.

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Speaker 1: You're waiting for the coroner to say he's dead. If

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Speaker 1: you will, yes, I mean, you know everybody knows, but

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Speaker 1: we have to have the official word. We get it, sad.

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Speaker 1: I wish you could clone people. I wish you could

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Speaker 1: clone a Sullivan because he's so smart, he understands the game.

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Speaker 1: It's slowed down for him. He is so good and

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Speaker 1: so good for Jared Goff, It's just I think you

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Speaker 1: have reached your end with your body. And that's what

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Speaker 1: happens in professional football, especially at that position, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not games played or games started. You're going through

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Speaker 1: training camp, you're going through practices, You're going through a lot,

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Speaker 1: and then you factor in college, in high school. There's

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Speaker 1: just a lot of wear and tear on that body.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's a sad I hate that it

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Speaker 1: had to end on a loss, but that's just the

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Speaker 1: way it goes. Yeah, I agree with you because I

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Speaker 1: think Sullivan has been really instrumental in the development of

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff over the last couple of years, just helping

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Speaker 1: him see protections, helping him, you know, diagnose things at

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. I think so always been really

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Speaker 1: invaluable for that for Jared Goff, and that's why those

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Speaker 1: two get along so well. Absolutely. Look, he's a smart

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Speaker 1: that runs. I guess, how do you say this? He

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Speaker 1: make sure he slides to the right guy and they're

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Speaker 1: just trying to snap the football. Sometimes you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So sometimes that might lead to a few

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Speaker 1: delay of game penalties, which we saw protection issues. But

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Speaker 1: the last thing you want is somebody getting Scott Free

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Speaker 1: to your quarterback and knocking Jared's head off. So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate a center like that, but I wish you can

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Speaker 1: download that brain into a younger body. If you can,

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Speaker 1: just you know, sever the head and switch guys. Put

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Speaker 1: Sully's head on Alan's body. Away we go again, do

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Speaker 1: the matrix thing, you know where they like put the

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Speaker 1: thing in somebody's head like with a chip. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: then like boom, all of a sudden, you've got all Yes,

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Speaker 1: who is it that's isn't there a guy that's frozen?

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Speaker 1: His head was frozen? Um, the baseball player Ted Williams. Yes,

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Speaker 1: his head is frozen. Let's try that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Sulley's family would like it, but I mean I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get I'm trying to keep a good center, right,

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I think we can say that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it like this, diminishing skills, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you're talking about when your

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Speaker 1: body catches up to what you've been doing for so

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Speaker 1: long or whatnot, like this is, this is what it is.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to remember a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: Sullivan was kind of out of the league because of

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Speaker 1: a back injury, right, and so he missed all of that.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was the twenty fifteen season. Then came

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen, was in Washington with Sean McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I became the sort of natural partnership

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen when McVeigh came, they brought in Sullivan

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Speaker 1: and boom, you know, off it goes on the offense.

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Speaker 1: The downside of starting the same five guys for two

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Speaker 1: seasons in a row, do you get the wear and tear?

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Speaker 1: Of course eventually, especially if you're coming off a back

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Speaker 1: or something's wrong with you to begin with. You know,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you go back to Chicago, you go

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Speaker 1: the RAM offense struggled. Usually you can talk about that

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Speaker 1: rule in the Super Bowl as well. That position in particular,

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Speaker 1: when your center gets knocked backwards, you have nothing pass

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Speaker 1: or run right, yeah, right. Do you think Brian Allen

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Speaker 1: is ready absolutely physically? Can't you tell you better throw

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Speaker 1: that kid some raw meat? That's no. I mean you've

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Speaker 1: he wants to go hit somebody, no doubt. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: at that no neck, big dude. I mean, like the

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Speaker 1: the the the anti Aaron Donald. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: a wrestler's mentality, crew cut hair, you know what I mean. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the guy is just ready to play right now physically.

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Speaker 1: So what you hope is he's ready to play mentally

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Speaker 1: to you don't know what you don't know as a starter,

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Speaker 1: So those words will show up in many camps, in

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Speaker 1: go mentally. But as of right now, physically, yes, put

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Speaker 1: and not just you know, in mop up duty when

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Speaker 1: spot duty when Sullivan would have to go out. No,

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Speaker 1: he punches well, he steps well, he finishes well, he

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're basically running plays. There's not really that

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Speaker 1: many adjustments the defense is. You have a pretty good

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Speaker 1: idea of what they're doing against you, So let's just

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Speaker 1: go run the play block the guy. I tell you

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Speaker 1: the block. But you know, the thing that's for any

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Speaker 1: they give you something you didn't prepare for. Then what

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Speaker 1: do you do. Do you have the stones to actually

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Speaker 1: yell out to Wit and say no, we're changing protection

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Speaker 1: going this way when you know you're right and they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know that that sort of stuff that all comes

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Speaker 1: think will come with the reps in the OTA's mini camp,

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Speaker 1: training camp. That that just you have to develop that chemistry, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's right for us now. I mean that that voice

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Speaker 1: that you're starting to grow. I mean, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: hard to do early, but you're gonna go through mini camps,

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Speaker 1: like we said, then through training camp, then through preseason

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Speaker 1: football into the regular season. So they're gonna learn to

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Speaker 1: this is where we go, don't fight me, right, And

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Speaker 1: I think you know, a guy like Whitworth is going

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Speaker 1: that he's right. You know. Yeah, he's gonna smack you

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Speaker 1: Even if he's wrong, he's right. Right, that's the benefit

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Speaker 1: of being in the league fourteen years. How much do

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Speaker 1: you think it helps Alan? You know, even going into

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Speaker 1: in college. Oh, tremendous Lee I mean, look, he's he's

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Speaker 1: used to. That shotgun snaps. I think every center that

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Speaker 1: be able to. Yeah. Yeah, so there is no adjustment period.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to learn how to do this or

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Speaker 1: learn how to function when you do X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that's ready to play physically right now,

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Speaker 1: right right? What do you also think? I mean, because

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Speaker 1: this possibility is starting to, I think, become more and

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Speaker 1: more real. So you could have Joe note Boom and

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Speaker 1: Brian Allen playing next to each other on the offensive

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Speaker 1: line next year, that is if Saffled is not retained.

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Speaker 1: And that is a distinct possibility because as I've been

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Speaker 1: reading it, Saffled has a chance to become one of,

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Speaker 1: if not the highest paid guards in the league, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: and he has earned it, and good for him. We

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Speaker 1: love him. Yes, get the cash, Yeah, absolutely, he's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. Love it. I hope that you can afford

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Speaker 1: him here. And you know me, I don't like to

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Speaker 1: waste words. So when I say Alan is gonna have

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Speaker 1: to shout out to Whitworth. Well, if Saffle's here, you

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Speaker 1: won't have to do that, right, Okay, there's somebody else

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews. Yes, I don't know, because that's a rumor. Yeah,

423
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Speaker 1: why don't you just like take the w I was

424
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Speaker 1: just saying, I was literally giving you a win. I'm

425
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: just like, I'm telling you that I agree with you,

426
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you why. And I was provi I

427
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: was providing an example. I know how it works. I'm

428
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: with you on this. I'm just saying, no, I'm with

429
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: you because you got it up in the first. If

430
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 1: you can have that same sort of versatility out of

431
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: a guy you already have, then away you go right

432
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: right yes, versus having to pay someone. Yeah, I'm saying

433
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: yes exactly. So again, like it's interesting now because the

434
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: ray is basically created and you know through through Baron

435
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,239
Speaker 1: getting released, and then also you have these guys who

436
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: are unrestricted free agents. There are a good amount of

437
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: unset positions for this team for next year. On the defense,

438
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: at starting positions, I should say, yeah, right, linebacker, outside back, yes,

439
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 1: you know, defensive line Donkinsue right, and then safety with

440
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: LaMarcus Joyner. So there's a lot there that still has

441
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: to be shaken out in order for you know, the

442
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: Rams to know what it is that they're going to

443
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: put on the field. Well, Franklin Myers is up, I

444
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: would say he's there and who where He's going to

445
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 1: be starting somewhere or at least competing for a starting job.

446
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: He's got the most experience of any young guy he's

447
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: working of the year. We talked about that. Yes, Joseph

448
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: Day is a guy that's been in the system, had

449
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: a red shirt ear, who's as big as a house

450
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: and is stronger for that red shirt ear. So I'd say,

451
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: some of your replacements along the D line, if that's

452
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: the way you want to go, they're already here, you

453
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if you want to add depth,

454
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: so be it. If you think you can get a

455
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: guy that's a premium player that can come in right

456
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: away and start, then so be it. But I think

457
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: some of your backups along the D line or some

458
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: of your replacements are already here. I think what you

459
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: don't have is you need to find an inside backer,

460
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: and you need to find guys off the edge. Now

461
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: that brings us to Fowler, right, People ask me this

462
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: more than girly, What about Fowler? It's a hard one. Man.

463
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: I think the guy can play, I really do. I

464
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: think he can play, but I don't want to pay

465
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: fifteen million bucks to find out with the franchise tag. Yeah, yes,

466
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, And that's sort of why I was

467
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: not necessarily surprised that the Rams did not utilize it

468
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: on a guy like him. You know what I mean?

469
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Because for a defensive end, and it depends on how

470
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: Fowler would be classified, but a defensive end, franchise tag

471
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: number is seventeen million, and then, as you just said,

472
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: for a linebacker, it's basically fifteen and a half. Right,

473
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: So it's exactly that, are you going, do you really

474
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: want to find out by placing the franchise tag on him?

475
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: And then that's basically your starting point for average annual

476
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: value if you're going to talk a long term toe,

477
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm more than willing to be wrong. By not paying him. Okay,

478
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: I could live with that. If he proves to me

479
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: that I should have, then I can live with that

480
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: versus the opposite. Right, Yeah, I understand that because I

481
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: mean that's a large number, and that does impact the

482
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: way you have to go about things and go about

483
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: paying different people. And one of the things that less

484
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: Need pointed out last week is that a lot of

485
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: guys that signed extensions. So Brandon Cooks, you also had

486
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley signed one. You had Rob Haven's side, as

487
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: we just mentioned, sign one. He said that they deferred

488
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: a lot of money till this year to start. So

489
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of articles about this. The cap

490
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: increase numbers. It's almost like paying those guys a net

491
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: of like thirty five to forty million, right, So even

492
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: as the cap goes up, you still have to account

493
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: for paying these guys more money. And that's why you

494
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: have these guys more cap casualties, right like your barons,

495
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: like your Solivan's that sort of that you're not bringing back.

496
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: Although Sullivan you can say was twofold why they're not

497
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: picking up that option, But that's why you have to

498
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: sort of create this money somewhere in order to make

499
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: moves in the offseason that can continue to get you better. Yeah. Well,

500
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, anybody on defense, anybody that's playing

501
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: defense right now, you better follow Aaron Donald's model. Get better,

502
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: keep getting better, right, keep improving, because as this offense

503
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: keeps improving, you would just bet most of the money

504
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: is going that way on that side of the ball,

505
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: based on the way the league works. Yeah, so you're

506
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: going to have to play like gangbusters and try not

507
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: to get old too fast, right. Yeah. Well, you also

508
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: have a guy like Corey Littleton who's a restricted free agent,

509
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's going anywhere, But that's another

510
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: guy where eventually you're going to have to either pay

511
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: him or figure out what you're going to do without him. True.

512
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Interesting this year? Yeah? Yeah, interesting next year? Interesting? John

513
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: Johnson too, why not throw him in there? Fair? Yeah?

514
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I just mean John Johnson, is it's not a free

515
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: agent John Johnson a contract twenty twenty. I'm just I'm

516
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: just I know how agents think. Sure, yeah, yeah, they'll

517
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: be knocking on the door if they can. But yeah,

518
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's some decisions to make. But I mean,

519
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna if it's not your turn. If you're not

520
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: in line, if you're trying to jump the line, you're

521
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a transcendent year, not just a

522
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: good year for here. I mean, you're gonna have to

523
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: be one of the league's best to jump that queue,

524
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: so to speak. Yes, because there are guys that have

525
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: been waiting their turn to get paid, no doubt. Yeah. Um.

526
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: And that's the interesting same thing too that Sneed was

527
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: talking about is that you know, you have these urgent

528
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: you have the urgent business first, right, which is you know,

529
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: the guys that are going to be free agents next week,

530
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: and then once you get through that waive of free agency,

531
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: then you have you know, OTA's mini camp and all that,

532
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: and then that's where the guys who are already here

533
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: that might be up for an extension, that's when those

534
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: talks will meet. Stuffing is right. You know, July was

535
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: when we saw Cooks Girly and Rob Havenstein. All happened

536
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: right early August as well. It's Simple Minds comes to

537
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: mind when I start when you start talking like that

538
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: that song mind Yeah, that group Simple Minds. Don't you

539
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: forget about me? Oh yeah, eighty songs? Yeah, yeah, that's

540
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: when when I when you start talking like that, like

541
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: you guys that aren't necessarily front burner but need to

542
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: have something done contractually. Look exactly when you come right exactly.

543
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: That is a great song. Like play at the end

544
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: of the night at the bar. You already like touch tones.

545
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: Now you have this no touch tones. It's basically like

546
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: a jukebox, but now it's all everything is digital. Yeah yeah,

547
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, like, man, I love to take over.

548
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: You control this. You're the DJ, yes, yes, yeah. You

549
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: pay like five bucks and it gives you like five

550
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: to like ten songs. Where were we? Oh my god, uh,

551
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: where were we? We cleared the bar. We took over

552
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: the juke box and like play heavy metal music and

553
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: cleared the entire bar. It was funny. Oh yeah, oh

554
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: I can't remember where we were, Oh my god, funny. Anyway,

555
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, yes, anyway, yeah, but I think that that's

556
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: where those guys will yea yeah, yeah yeah, start to

557
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: get there. We'll find out, all right. So let's turn

558
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: into this Todd Gurley conversation, because I don't feel like

559
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I owe you an apology. I just don't. You sat

560
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: there and told me nothing was wrong with him, I said,

561
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I cannot assume that anything's wrong with him, and I

562
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: can't report that anything is wrong with him. If he says,

563
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what you were implying, I say, if he

564
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: says there's nothing wrong, and the coaching staff says there's

565
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: nothing wrong, by the way, which is still what they say, right.

566
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: The only thing that they've talked about now is managing

567
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: his workload. So let's just taments possible that was a

568
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: report and arthritis that again, it's a report, So let's

569
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: just set the scene. So this comes from Jeff Howe,

570
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: who's a Patriots supporter for the Athletic the Patres Beat reporter,

571
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: and he said from a source, even a league source,

572
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: just a quote source, that Girly has arthritis in his knee. Now,

573
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: when you say arthritis, there's a lot of different things

574
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: that that can be. And that is something that from

575
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: what I've read over the last week or so, it's

576
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: almost expected when a guy has a surgery like in

577
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: ACL surgery. It's not that uncommon and in its simplest form,

578
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: and this is again just my you know, blame in research,

579
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: if you will. Right, when you have arthritis at the

580
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: simplest form, it's inflammation, and what do they tell us

581
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: was wrong with Girly's knee it was inflamed? Yes, right,

582
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: So I mean like, so, I'm so this is Congress.

583
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: Perhaps it is okay and I and maybe it's because

584
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: of my job that I sort of like, I feel

585
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: like I'm chilling. I'm not going to get an apology

586
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: out of But I don't think again, I don't think

587
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: that explain what Jeff House said was, Oh, it sort

588
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: of explains his limited production excuse me, limited usage in

589
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. True, here's my take. Whatever was wrong with

590
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: him at the end of the year he started the

591
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: year with so obviously he can play with it. It's

592
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: just when it acts up or gets aggravated or you

593
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: twist the wrong way. This is what could happen. That's

594
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: what happens when you have a reconstructed knee that's arthritic.

595
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: I think they all become arthritic or have swelling or

596
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: some sort of problem. Yes, it always happens, but you

597
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: have to manage it properly and make sure you take

598
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: good care of him to keep him fresh for an

599
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: entire football season exactly. But whatever was going wrong with

600
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: him or going on with him towards the end of

601
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: the year was the same knee he was running on

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: when he put it in the box twenty one time exactly. Yeah,

603
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: So don't get it twisted. It's not like the guy

604
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: is done. It's just now we know what the issue is,

605
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: you can stop telling us never mind. I don't think. Okay,

606
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: but it's still not garbage. Everything that you didn't say anything,

607
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: that's I have to build on the blank right, Well, okay,

608
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm just like I could see. I'm like, the guy

609
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: is he's he's hobbling, there's something wrong with his leg. Okay,

610
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: but then I hear there's nothing wrong with his leg.

611
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Then what did I just see on game day? I

612
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: don't know that in nineteen eighty four when you, yeah,

613
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: listen to what the man says. Whatever the guy in

614
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, big brother. So I think that's obvious.

615
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: But what I don't know is what do you lose

616
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: or what do you gain by by not telling someone

617
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: that you've you've got a bang up leg. I don't know. Yeah,

618
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: that's that's That's the only thing I don't know. Yeah,

619
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't know either. But again I and I go

620
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: back to this a lot. I think the the NFC

621
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Championship game was one thing, right, Todd Gurley dropped two

622
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: passes early on in that game, and there were critical passes,

623
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it turned out and then CJ comes

624
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: in and I think at that point Sean McVay probably

625
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: feels more comfortable as saying let's go with the VET.

626
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: But Todd Gurley still had that six yard touchdown after

627
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: the Brandon Cooks thirty six yard passed down the left

628
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: sideline when the Rams are going in a halftime and

629
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: it was thirteen to ten, and everything was like happy

630
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: and it seemed like the Rams are gonna get back

631
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: on track because they had the ball first in the

632
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: second half. Anyway, we know how that came into the

633
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was a different beast because everything was bad

634
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: for the Rams offensively. So if we're going to talk

635
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: about how, you know, we had ten carries I think

636
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: thirty five yards in that game, that was because the

637
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Rams again had two first downs in the first half.

638
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: They were one of ten on third down three quarters.

639
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that, if you want to talk

640
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: about how Todd Gurley was ineffective, you have to start there,

641
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: because that's what happened. It was an offensive performance it

642
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: was an offensive issue. It was not just a Todd

643
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Gurley issue. Counterpoints, since this just became crossfire. If that's

644
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: not that's not Congress. That's just saying, if you had

645
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: a healthy Todd Gurley, you'd have more than two first downs.

646
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: How do you know that? I saw it? What did

647
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: the what? Whose option? Did the RAMS just not pick up?

648
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: I saw it all your law? Whose option? Did the

649
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: RAMS just not pick up? Whose options? Yes? We were

650
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: just to say, thanks, so what is the prop don't

651
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: put it all on one I'm not putting it all

652
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: on one guy, putting it on the offensive line, because

653
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: the offensive line was having real trouble blocking anybody, right, true,

654
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: very true. And then they got going in the second

655
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: half of a little bit and Todd Gurley had a

656
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: ten yard carry and there was a holding bla Todd Well,

657
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm no, no, no, no, no, I'm not blaming the

658
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: loss on top you are. But I think a lot

659
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: of people, but a lot of people are trying to

660
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: blame McVay like he lost his fastball. Okay, there's a

661
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: lot that goes into it, Belichick's game planning, the fact

662
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: that Todd Gurley was half a Todd Gurley, and you

663
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: factor in what was going on up front. There was

664
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot going against the Rams. It's not one guy's fault. Yes,

665
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: what I'm just saying, if you had a full compliment

666
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: of Todd Gurley plays stuff, he feels he can run

667
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: with confidence, you probably have more than two first downs

668
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: in that game. Maybe that's all I'm saying. Okay, but

669
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: you still have to do better than one of ten

670
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: on third down. And that's not necessarily just Todd Gurley, right,

671
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think he got yanked in New Orleans.

672
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: He played, He played the majority of plays. Because he

673
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: dropped a few passes. Even if Todd remember Todd fumbled

674
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: in the end zone versus Seattle, you give him the

675
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: ball the next week. You don't take him out because

676
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: of mistakes. That was a long time ago. I'm just saying,

677
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: But you don't yank him because of mistakes. You yank

678
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: him because he's ineffective or he can't do some of

679
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the things, and you put in a healthy back. That's why. Now,

680
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: because he fumbles or he misplayed a few balls that

681
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: got picked, I can care less if they scooped and

682
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: scored on that, you don't yank him because of that.

683
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: He's too good for that. Come on, I didn't really

684
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: expect us to have this kind of a passionate Todd

685
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Gurley this. Well, we missed last week, man, I know

686
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: up frustration, I guess so anyway, anyway, but what I

687
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: wanted to get to with this conversation go the way,

688
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: is that Sean McVay and Lesnied both said that they

689
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: think that the Rims have to do a better job

690
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: of managing Todd's workload going forward. Yeah, which means you're

691
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to have other people. Maybe Malcolm Brown is

692
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: back in the mix. I hope I love him. I

693
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: would have to think so, especially because Malcolm Brown is

694
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: a restricted free agent, So it's not like, what's interesting.

695
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: You remember a few years ago CJ. Anderson actually was

696
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: a restricted free agent, signed an offer sheet with the

697
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Dolphins because that was Adam Gase's first year there, and

698
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: then ended up going back to the Broncos regardless because

699
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: they match that offer sheet. Right. I don't think this

700
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: is the kind of situation that Malcolm Brown is going

701
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: to be in because Malcolm Brown simply has not been

702
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: on the field to have that kind of production. However,

703
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I think he could be that kind of back no

704
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: doubt whoever it is, if it is Malcolm, if it

705
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: is CJ, if it's Joe Bag of Donuts, the next

706
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: guys you draft or bring in. I think what you

707
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: mean by manage Todd Gurley's workload is now it's not

708
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: up to him. Right when the backup says I'm in,

709
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: it means you're out, not wait until I tap my

710
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: helmet and then I'll bring you in. It's we're gonna

711
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: have some prescribed downs where you're out of the game

712
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: and let the backup carry the load here or there.

713
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's just the way you are when

714
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: you end a season the way you ended it. Yes, yeah, yeah,

715
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: and that's fair. It was funny that sneeze exact quote was,

716
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, the Rams maybe could use a Batman and

717
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Robin or he said another superhero figure, which is kind

718
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: of funny. It's a very less sneat quote. I knew

719
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: where he was going with that. Yeah, I remember Batman

720
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: had to save Robin like constantly. You know what I mean?

721
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: That was Robin's function was to get into so much

722
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: trouble that Batman had to go bail him out. Yeah,

723
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: we don't want that, you know, and I guess I'm

724
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: not as familiar with Batman and Robin comics things like that.

725
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: But it's interesting when you're talking about Malcolm Brown though,

726
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: because you've said this on this podcast before, I think,

727
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. I think that if Malcolm

728
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Brown had been healthy, you know, those last two games

729
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: of the season where the Rams needed to sign C. J. Anderson,

730
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: we would have seen the same type of performance out

731
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: of Malcolm Brown, Oh, no doubt, even when Todd was

732
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: ripping the league apart early in the year, right, Malcolm

733
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Brown found a way to make you say his name

734
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: at least twice carrying the football, yes, per game. So

735
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy doesn't get injured towards the end

736
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: of the year, I think the same thing happens just

737
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: with him, right, Yeah, exactly, And I mean he averaged

738
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: four point nine yards per carry and only playing about

739
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the snaps at the point where he

740
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: got hurt. My god, he was like drilling linebackers. It

741
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: was fun to watch. It was like that, that's not

742
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: fun mop up duty when you got a guy planned

743
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, that ain't fun for the defense. Well then,

744
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's so athletic too. You know, he made

745
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: that catch in New Orleans where tiptoed the sideline and

746
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: still extended the ball over the pylon for a touchdowns. Yeah,

747
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that I think Malcolm Brown

748
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: can do that he brings to the offense and it's

749
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: why he should be back. And I think you don't

750
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: necessarily have to do too much with that running back role. No, No,

751
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: I look at the end of the year when I

752
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: and I'm sure this is gonna come up, I'll just

753
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: jump when you see Malcolm Brown walking around in street

754
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: clothes or in sweats, and then Cooper Cup goes the

755
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: opposite way and he's in sweats, and you're like, wow,

756
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: that's a lot of firepower on the sideline, you know.

757
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: And here you are in the NFC Championship Game and

758
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: two of your best players are out. So imagine if

759
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: they're back. Wow, imagine if this offense was at full strength.

760
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: You know, a lot went down last season. You changed returners,

761
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: you lost a backup tailback, you lost Cooper Cup, and

762
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: you still want up in the Super Bowl. Yeah, And

763
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: then people still find ways to say McVeigh can't coach

764
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: just because of how one game ended, Yeah, just saying

765
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: sorry the other kind of crazy thing that he said

766
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: about McVay. And he actually got asked this, yeah, asked

767
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: about this at the combine. Did you see the clip

768
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: of him talking to Bill Belichick before the Super Bowl? No? No, no,

769
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: So basically he went up to Bill Belichick and you know,

770
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: do you have the miked up NFL films, wired segments,

771
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is. So he's going up to Bill Belichick saying, man,

772
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for you year, what's right

773
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: about football? You know, let's have a game today whatever

774
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: it is. But you know, just basically showing is a

775
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: apreciation and respect for Bill Belichick. And you know, Bill

776
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Belichick says to him, oh you're taking over, buddy, blah

777
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. And then of course Bill Belichick

778
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: goes out and kicks his butt. But well, he scored

779
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: one touchdown from a defensive too offensive standpoint. No, no, no no,

780
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: I just I just mean from a defensive into offensive

781
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: scheme standpoint, right, like you can call a spade a spade, right, yeah, yeah,

782
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So but what was interesting at the combine.

783
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: It must have been some New England reporter after McVeigh

784
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: has done this podium pressor you know, there's this usually

785
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: a little scrum or whatnot swirled standing there. And so

786
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: they asked him, like, do you have any regret over

787
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, talking to Bill Belichick before the game like that,

788
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: and like saying what you said? He looked he's just

789
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: looked kind of funny. He's like, no, Like I was

790
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: showing my respect to one of the best to ever

791
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: done it, who's ever done it, And you know what,

792
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: like that's just who I am. And you know, I'm

793
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: not going to change. The pressure is real, man on

794
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: this side for stories to be first, I just people

795
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: will try to come up with anything to make a story. Well, yes,

796
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: that going up to Belichick showing respect is the reason

797
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: why he kicked your Come on, dude, really right, okay, okay,

798
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: I what did Bryce Harper say? That's a clown question, bro, Yes, yeah,

799
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper. Can you imagine committing to anything aside from

800
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: like a marriage for thirteen years for three hundred million bucks? Absolutely? Yeah, sure,

801
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: I can think of a lot of things, including marriage

802
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: for my god. Absolutely wow. Well crazy what a contract? Yeah?

803
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: What a country? Go play baseball? Right? Um? But yeah,

804
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: but speaking of free agents. So the free agent market

805
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: for the NFL, I think it is most interesting almost

806
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: at the safety position, oh boy, because you've got befast

807
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the Rams though maybe Yeah. I mean, now you've got

808
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Landon Collins who doesn't receive the franchise

809
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: tag in New York. Earl Thomas is out there, LaMarcus

810
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Joiner obviously the Rams. And then you've got a guy

811
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: now Eric Weddle is out there, Yeah, is also out there.

812
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: There are going to be options for the Rams at

813
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: safety no matter what happened, some high profile names at safety,

814
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: and there are teams that are safety needy, so some

815
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: of these guys will go other places, which means you

816
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: might have a chance to sign your guy back. Yeah. Yeah,

817
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: So I think having a lot of safeties on the

818
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: market actually helps the Rams with LaMarcus, Yeah, because I

819
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: mean when you look at the lists and I have

820
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the free agent lists of safeties and how people are

821
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: writing them up. LaMarcus is the fourth or fifth guy

822
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: you talk about, which is good good for the Rams.

823
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: You may be able to get him back, right, yeah, right,

824
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: right if if you're gonna let him test the market,

825
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: well that if that's an indicator of the market. You

826
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: may be able to make a deal with him. Yeah. Well,

827
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: and I think part of it too is you don't

828
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: necessarily want to use that franchise tag again. You know,

829
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: the ram were closed apparently on getting a multi year

830
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: deal done with LaMarcus Jorner last year before that franchise

831
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: tag deadline in July. I guess it's July fifteenth usually

832
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: every year. But they obviously they didn't get it done.

833
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that, of course you want to keep. Yeah.

834
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: I think the Giants they're making a mistake with letting

835
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Landon Collins out the door. You drafted him, He's a

836
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: homegrown guy. You should keep that guy in uniform. I

837
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: think the same should be said for LaMarcus. He's a

838
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: guy you drafted. He's a guy that's grown up pretty

839
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: much on two systems, in your system. He knows how

840
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: it works here and what you've gone through. I think

841
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: it's important to have those guys back. But I understand

842
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: the business of football. Yes, there's only so much money

843
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: to go around, right. Yeah, but we talk about the

844
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: safety market and how top heavy it is. You may

845
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: have an opportunity there to get him back. Well, you

846
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: have another guy. And I think Blake Countess is a

847
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of potential, you know. I mean he's a guy

848
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: that kind of reminds me a little bit of Rodney

849
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: McLeod and that, you know, played special teams first few

850
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: years in the league, and then Rodney ascends and he

851
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: becomes one of the better starting safeties in the league.

852
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Got a nice lucrative deal from Philadelphia and he's excelled there.

853
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: I think Blake Countess, maybe he's not necessarily at that level,

854
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: but I think he can come in and he can

855
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: be a really good, serviceable safety for you. He's a

856
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: restricted free agent, so we'll see what happens there. Absolutely

857
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: love him. Um. You know, as I was watching the

858
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: combine and texting you while you're at the combine, that

859
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: was funny. I was watching special teams right all year,

860
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and you know that is a professional, really good special

861
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: teams that the Rams have out there. Their kickoff units

862
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: are good, their punt punt return units are good, and

863
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: they're pretty much all the same guys. Blake Countesses in

864
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: that group. Yes, he's one of the aces of special teams.

865
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: And I found myself when I was watching the combine,

866
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: watching all these young guys run like this. I wish

867
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: you can have a true three deep in the NFL.

868
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: You can add players, so you wouldn't have to break

869
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: up such a good special teams group. You know, you

870
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: can go into the next season with the same group

871
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: and they just get better and better better, and then

872
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: you replace from there. But the way it is annually,

873
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: you have to churn the bottom of your roster. So

874
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: some of those guys that have been here for a

875
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: while that are special teams aces may get replaced by

876
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: younger guys, some guys who just saw running in pajamas

877
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: in Indy. That's just the way it goes. Yeah, you

878
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: think you like the singlets or more pajamas than like

879
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: underwear to you, isn't that what people sleep in? That's

880
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: what I do you sleep and stuff that tight well,

881
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean kind of that material. Yeah, I I this

882
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: is weird. That's pajamas to me. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

883
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: but I gotta be in loose fitting clothes. Oh, I

884
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: like see, I never mind, let's just not go there.

885
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to go there. I mean, but that's

886
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: what you see. I mean, you basically saw a lot

887
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: of replacements for a lot of guys that you saw

888
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: on special teams well right, And I think a lot

889
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: of the guys that are on special teams that are

890
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: aces are either restricted free agents or they are going

891
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: to be free agents. Yet guys like Sam Shields, I mean,

892
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: was integral to the special teams unit this year, he's

893
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent, somebody that there Hims

894
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: definitely would like to bring back. Bryce Hager excuse me,

895
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: is at the end of his rookie deal, so he's

896
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent. You know, how do

897
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you replace those guys. You might have to do it internally.

898
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: You might do it with undrafted free agents yea, and

899
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: different things like that. But that's why I think, you know,

900
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: John bones Fossil is one of the best special teams

901
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: coordinators in the league because he, no matter what, he

902
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: finds the guys and figures out what they do best

903
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: and then he inserts them and they just they blossom.

904
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: If this was Survivor, he'd be the cook because it

905
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you'd bring him, it's going to be

906
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: something good at the end of the day. You know,

907
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: he can make it happen with whatever. But you know,

908
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: I think gone are the days, especially on this team,

909
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: where you'll see you know guys that are in their

910
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: fifth and sixth year that only do special teams. Oh yeah, yeah,

911
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: you won't see that anymore. So. I mean at some point,

912
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: if you're on special teams for one, two, three seasons,

913
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: at some point you're gonna have to cycle into either

914
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: offense or defense to stay around or you're going to

915
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: be cycled out. That's just the way it goes because

916
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: as you saw at the Combine, they're always looking to

917
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: replace you with the younger, faster, stronger. It's funny. I mean,

918
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: Cody Davis was a guy, you know, the safety, but

919
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: he mostly was on special teams. And then last year,

920
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: you know he gets yeah, you know, he reaches free

921
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: agency and he signs with a Jack Chase Reynolds remember that, Yeah,

922
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: the only running back in the league that lasted five

923
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: years without a carry. How yeah, right, special team? Right. Um,

924
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: So you mentioned this guy a little bit earlier. Cooper

925
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Cup the latest updating his recovery. I think they talked

926
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: about it last week at the Combine and he said

927
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: that Cooper Cups should be ready to go for training camp. Good. Um,

928
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: just come back and be the guy that we saw.

929
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing that that that hurts you

930
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: with him is obviously you missed him last season, no doubt.

931
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: Jared Goff definitely missed him last season. But you missed

932
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: he missed the reps. So I don't think he's reached

933
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: his full potential as a player, and it takes certain

934
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: reps to get there. Yeah, so this just delays the process,

935
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. You know what I mean, I do. Yeah,

936
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: So if he stayed healthy, if he played all how

937
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: many games they played, nineteen games last year, Yes, if

938
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: he played all nineteen going into next season, when he

939
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: gets to game twenty, he's going to be that much better.

940
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: So it's going to take him a little bit more

941
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: to reach his potential, that's all. It takes a little

942
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: bit of time just to recover from that injury in general.

943
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: You know, and I think what we've seen in Sean

944
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: McVay mentioned this. You know, Cooper cup is already concerned

945
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: about what he might miss in the offseason program because

946
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: he won't necessarily be able to fully participate on the field. So, right,

947
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that, at least seems to me,

948
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to prevent him from, you know, hold

949
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: him back you know, prevent him from hurting him son.

950
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Another name from the past, there was a tennis play.

951
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: You like tennis, I do like tennis. Have you ever

952
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: heard the name Thomas Mooster? I don't think so. Clay

953
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: court specialist, really big guy. But when he blew his

954
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: knee out, instead of taking time off, he just went

955
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: out there in a wheelchair and hit balls, huh without moving.

956
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: So he always worked on something while he was recovering. Yeah.

957
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: I imagine Cooper Cups the same way. Yes, yeah, yeah,

958
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: me too. There was a video we posted on Instagram

959
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: in like lately January. I think it was when we

960
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: were already in Atlanta for the Super Bowl, and it

961
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: was just him, you know, like walking, like carrying something

962
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: heavy on his back or dragging something heavy along the field,

963
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: and you know it's basically like, yeah, I'm working. Yeah,

964
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back as soon as possible. And

965
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: that's another thing. While we circle back to that conversation

966
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl, you have that guy in the game,

967
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: you have more than two first awt it's definitely different.

968
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yeah, I agree with you. The the

969
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: the Edelment effect also works against the Patriots. It'd be

970
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: the Cup effect. Yeah, yes, it probably would be um

971
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: something sort of off topic, but I want to talk

972
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: about it because you know, sort of the conversation at

973
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: the combine is Kyler Murray to the Cardinals stuff at

974
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: number one overall? Do you think it's a smoke screen?

975
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: I hope not screen. No, No, I hope that doesn't happen.

976
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: That's that guy. Can that guy changes the franchise. He's

977
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: a problem. He's the same problem that The same thing

978
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: is what happened to the same teams in the Falcons

979
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: division when Vic came in early. He's just an issue,

980
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: a run past issue, the same problems that you're having

981
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: with with Baltimore right now with Jackson, just his athleticism

982
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: is enough to give your problems on game day. It

983
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: may not win you a super Bowl, it may not

984
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: make you a playoff team, but during the year, that

985
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: guy is an issue. Yeah, you don't want him in

986
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: your division? So you think he really could go number

987
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: one overall? Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely? Interesting? Oh yeah, yeah, I

988
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: just it's just so interesting me because you've got the

989
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: same GM there that just drafted just trade it up

990
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback last year? Right, what do you

991
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: do with John I mean, obviously you trade him, which

992
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: is what the big rumors are, but it just I

993
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: don't ever recall seeing something quite like this. Well, no

994
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: one expected to see this out of Kyler Murray. I

995
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: mean what you saw in college plays in the pros now, Okay, yeah,

996
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at it from a Rams perspective.

997
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: You got enough to deal with with Russell Wilson in Seattle.

998
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: Now you're going to add another one, a younger and

999
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: a faster one. Oh man, That's that's an issue. No,

1000
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: it totally is an issue. That's a problem. But I

1001
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: just it's so interesting to me because like, you committed

1002
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: to a guy last year. So this is the league.

1003
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: I hear the NFL stands for not for long. And look,

1004
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: you can always, you know, change courses. Ogletree was paid

1005
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: and then traded. You drafted Greg Robinson, he's out of here.

1006
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: It happens. You paid Tavon, he's gone. So teams can

1007
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: change gears on the fly. You've seen it here. So

1008
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you this. If if the Cardinals had Murray

1009
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Week two here in LA, that game is different. I

1010
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: still think the Rams win, but it wouldn't look as

1011
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: bad as it did. For their offense. Even with the

1012
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: same game plan. I mean, you wouldn't lost thirty three

1013
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: to nothing. Probably you would have gotten a few first

1014
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: downs at least his legs. That little guy stays on

1015
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: the field. You know what's funny too. I mean it

1016
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: sort of seemed like the best play that Arizona had

1017
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: in that second game that the Rams played down in

1018
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: Arizona was Josh Rosen running for his life. Yeah, and

1019
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: it was very effective in some certain instances. Now imagine

1020
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: if that's him, that's exactly what I was. That's an issue, right,

1021
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: It definitely is an issue. So, I mean, I don't know,

1022
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: it seems like with the way the wind is blowing,

1023
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: if you will, that that's going to happen, and that

1024
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is going to be the number one overall

1025
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: pick and the Rams are gonna have to deal with

1026
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: him twice a year. Well not, I wouldn't say this

1027
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: is this is wholesale. But if I'm less sneed and

1028
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: I see this, Remember he's in my division. If the

1029
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: Cardinals take him at number one, then that might change

1030
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: my board slightly. Really yeah, I may, I may really

1031
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: really start to like some edge guys more than I did.

1032
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Because you're gonna need some guys to run this guy down. Well,

1033
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: you already need guys to run down Russell Wilson, and

1034
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: so it's not like it's not like that's you know

1035
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: that that's four games a year, right, right, You're gonna

1036
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: need some guys to run him down. Yeah, no, doubt out.

1037
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that's interesting. So I mean something to keep monitoring.

1038
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess, oh yeah, the course of the off season. Yeah.

1039
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't happen if you Rosen. I mean,

1040
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: if you're Rosen and like this team trades up to

1041
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: get you, I don't feel about that. I don't know.

1042
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: It's it's weird if you're Rosen and you see a

1043
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: team trade up to get you and then another guy. No,

1044
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: you see a team trade up to get you, You're

1045
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: there for a year. You know. It's like it was

1046
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: a disaster of a rookie season. I mean it was

1047
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: sort of similar to what we saw here with Jared

1048
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: goffin sixteen. Nothing went right. You know, the offensive staff

1049
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: was not good enough to get him to where he

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00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: needed to be. You hire a guy like Cliff Kingsbury,

1051
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: who is an offensive guru, right, and you think, man,

1052
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: this is going to be great and then you know,

1053
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: like all this stuff happens. Yeah, but if you're Rosen,

1054
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: where am I being traded too? And what's that situation? Like? Right,

1055
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: it could be better for you? Maybe it could You

1056
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: never know, but that's the way it goes in the league.

1057
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: I guess. I just I just think it's interesting. I

1058
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: don't ever recall an instance seeing you know, a quarterback

1059
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: that's in a second year that was a number that

1060
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: was a first round pick. Basically get given up on.

1061
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: That's a favor of a younger guy. It's a weird

1062
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: deal because it was a it was a head coach

1063
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, and then you fired the coach after year one.

1064
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think all the GM who made

1065
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: the pick is still there. But I think that's what

1066
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: makes it interesting to me. It is interesting, But I

1067
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: think all bets are off when that happens. Okay, anything

1068
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: can change if you're going to do that after year one,

1069
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: If you fire a coach after one year, everything's going

1070
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: to change, yeah, no matter who's here. Yes, yeah, no,

1071
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: it's true. All right, So we will keep an eye

1072
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: on that throughout the NFC West, but then free agency

1073
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: will start next Wednesday at one o'clock specific time. So

1074
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: you get the legal tampering period. Yes, exactly. I love

1075
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: the legal tamper know right, Yes, it's teams can negotiate

1076
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: with the agents, right, but you can't talk to the

1077
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: player like the team can't talk directly to the player. Right.

1078
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: Why what is the point of that, Because, I mean,

1079
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: you should want to keep if you're an agent, you

1080
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: want to keep your your player. Clear of that, because

1081
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: coaches and teams are going to talk about how much

1082
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: they love you, how much they need you, how much

1083
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: the guys around you respect you, and all this sort

1084
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: of stuff that takes you away from the dollars and cents. Okay, yeah,

1085
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: he may like, but what good scheme fit? Like you

1086
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: just have to know that. But a head coach may

1087
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: get you to take a million bucks less. Yeah, because

1088
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: we love you and if we pay you this, we

1089
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: can't afford that guy. Then we can't beat this team.

1090
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: An agent's only looking out for his client's best intran Yeah,

1091
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that that's the first time it's

1092
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: ever been explained to me that it really makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

1093
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: don't get on the phone with the coach before you

1094
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: signed as from like a scheme standpoint. You know you

1095
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: want to talk. You would want to talk a little

1096
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: bit of x's and oh's, wouldn't you before you signed

1097
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: with the team. Well, I mean I would. I mean, look,

1098
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: it's like because it would be like if I were

1099
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: to go get a new job and I didn't ever

1100
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: talk about exactly how they want to to use me. Well, look,

1101
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny story, and I hope he

1102
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mind me telling the story. And if you do,

1103
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: text me and I'll apologize. Grant Wistrom got a deal

1104
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: from Seattle when he left, and from what I understood,

1105
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: his agent sent him the contract and said, don't read it,

1106
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: just sign it regardless of scheme fit. Look at the numbers.

1107
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: Look at how much they're gonna pay you. Yeah, so

1108
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay you X amount. And then you find

1109
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: out you have to play nose tackle Who cares? So,

1110
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're in this point March April, this

1111
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: is all about business. This is all about money. We'll

1112
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: get to scheme fits later. That's their job to fit

1113
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: you and where they need you. That's fair, Yeah, that's fair.

1114
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: But I think next week is when we're really going

1115
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: to start to find out what the market is for Saffled,

1116
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: for Fouler, those guys that I think you know as

1117
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: you and I sit here, those would be that you

1118
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: guys that I would say are probably the biggest priority

1119
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: that the Rams bring back with you. Yes, man, Look, Roger,

1120
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: do you need a billboard? Do you need a statue?

1121
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: You know what you need? What do you need to

1122
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: feel like loved and respected? Because that's all the other

1123
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: team is gonna say, yeah, yeah, how much we respect you.

1124
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: And they're gonna show with money. Yes, you know, Um,

1125
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: but if they want to break the bank can be stupid.

1126
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: You have to take the cash exactly. If you want

1127
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity to win again, to win a Lombardi Trophy

1128
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: with guys, you know, to finish what you started with

1129
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: this team, you gotta factor that into your business decision

1130
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, no doubt any other parting shots uh no, Um,

1131
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: the combine was fun. Oh my god, dude, if you

1132
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: ever want any sort of ammunition against or ammunition for

1133
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: making the game safer, do you see how fast those

1134
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: kids are and how big they are now? Yeah, you

1135
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: better make this game safe. D line in those edge rushers.

1136
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, good lord, what was the kid? The

1137
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf ya six three two twenty eight A four

1138
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: three yeah, oh my god. And he's in twenty seven

1139
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: reps as a wide receiver and he's defenseless receiver. Guess

1140
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: my black? You know what? It was so funny. I

1141
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: was standing there for John Gruden's press conference because it

1142
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: was right before Sean mcvagh's on Thursday morning, and Gruden

1143
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: is talking about He's like, man, you see this guy,

1144
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: he game Metcalf, he comes in, he doesn't look like

1145
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: any wide receiver I've ever seen. You want to tell

1146
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: a cornerback, go get tackled that guy? Yeah, my god,

1147
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: yeah he beat me to it. I mean the first

1148
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: thing I thought was that's Jim Brown. Yes at receiver, Yes,

1149
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: and all the rules favor him. Good lord. Yeah, I'm

1150
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: all in favor of making the game safer. If this

1151
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: is what you're gonna throw at us now, yeah? Wow,

1152
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: all right, Well everybody that will do it. For this

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Speaker 1: edition of Between the Horns for DeMarco far I'm Miles Simmons.

1154
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: You can stick with us on the Rams dot com

1155
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: as we bring you everything from the offseason news. Free

1156
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: agency again starts next Wednesday, but you won't get an

1157
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: apology from Miles. Absolutely not to talk to you that