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Speaker 2: What's hand him?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: You got mar Shaw, Bismall Lynch.

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Speaker 3: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 5: And you're listening to politics.

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Speaker 1: You know to be you known to be.

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Speaker 5: Gavin.

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Speaker 3: Uh. We have in the waiting room a long time

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Speaker 3: actress from childhood on epic shows like Who's.

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Speaker 5: The Boss to a producer, a writer, director, a Broadway star.

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Speaker 3: Activist, activist, ah, you know, someone that has been involved

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Speaker 3: in incredible things forever.

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Speaker 5: H and I you know what.

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Speaker 3: She's also a big fan of the NFL more sean,

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Speaker 3: she's also a big fan of the Dodge.

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Speaker 5: That Dodger. We'll hold that not again. Well, we'll hold

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Speaker 5: that slightly against her, Yeah, slightly. The great Alissa Milana Alyssa.

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Speaker 5: How are you, Alissa?

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Speaker 1: Hi? I am great? How are you?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, as well as people can be doing.

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Speaker 5: Right with the Dodgers winning the World Series, I'm still

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Speaker 5: having fully recovered from that. You're busy as a governor, right,

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Speaker 5: you have nothing? I know, I actually feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: You wait, so wait, you're not a.

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Speaker 5: Daughter's fan from San Francisco. I know I'm the Governor.

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Speaker 5: I did a go Dodgers video. Okay, look, I'm all

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Speaker 5: in with the Governor of New York. I won the bet.

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Speaker 5: It was a great thing.

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Speaker 1: The Giants had enough World Series championships. It was our

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Speaker 1: some point. But give us our moment for really.

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Speaker 5: Your moment, and you're gonna have so many moments coming up.

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Speaker 5: It means crazy. Wait to listen, are you Are you

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Speaker 5: a Bronx screw or Brooklyn girl.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Brooklyn girl. So my dad used to sneak

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Speaker 1: I have no choice.

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Speaker 2: We had a blueprint, huh on how to get the

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Speaker 4: It's right, we ain't paying that high ass cost to

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Speaker 1: He had a system. He had a system.

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Speaker 3: So, Lissa, you grew up as a kid as a

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Speaker 1: Was a Yankees? I was a Yankees fan because my

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Speaker 1: I may have snuck into a few clubhouses.

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Speaker 4: You come home, you've got the whole vibe, and then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So listen, you love the baseball players, any any

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Speaker 5: Hockey? Was it always baseball? The love of baseball?

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Speaker 1: I love hockey. I love hockey. My brother went to

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Speaker 4: The only thing I'm said about where hockey is. I

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Speaker 4: But I'll get out there and fuck around. If I could,

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So did you any sports?

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Speaker 1: Correct, that's correct. There. It was an open antie audition

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Speaker 5: But will you prepare? I mean? Is that is all?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, it said hey, let's let let's come down.

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Speaker 3: Marshaun, you may not remember you were, probably wouldn't been

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Speaker 3: and I grew up watching Who's the Boss? Does come

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Speaker 5: An actor as well, and as a few.

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Speaker 5: His But but Alissa, my claim to fame.

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Speaker 3: I was an extra that turned into an actual role

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Speaker 3: in the movie Angels Nowfield and your co star Tony

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Speaker 3: Danza was the other picture in the movie Father.

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Speaker 5: It was Matthew McConaughey claimed to Fame.

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Speaker 3: Danny Glover was in it, and I was the other

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Speaker 3: picture with Tony Danzer and I'll never forget. We're like

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Speaker 3: day eleven of shooting and Tony literally takes all the

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Speaker 3: But every day between sets he would roller skate around

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Speaker 1: In amazing shape and tap dancing too. Did he tap

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Speaker 5: He did tap dance?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 3: Dollars and eighty seven cents for your role in this

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Speaker 1: Got some more regrets that you didn't pursue it further.

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Speaker 5: I still remember the philadel hum interview. I mean, by

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Speaker 5: The time was just like nobody was just before magic

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Speaker 1: In your career, and I guess it's a lot like

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Speaker 1: And I mean or one bad coach. Yeah, so many

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Speaker 2: So, you know what I mean, capitalizing on.

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Speaker 4: Every opportunity that I have and whether I get the

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Speaker 5: But the list is interesting. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 3: Everyone thinks you guys are drinking champagne and has fires

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Speaker 5: However, you guys got a battle.

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Speaker 3: Man. It's a tough business in terms of the entertainment

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Speaker 3: It's a fucking tough business. You guys are in every

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to push back on that a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Listen what I mean. It's so I mean every and

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Speaker 5: the work you've done, and you even Ukraine and issues

441
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 5: obviously with healthcare, and and then even going back on

442
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 5: H and B and Ah's and so many different things.

443
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 5: But how often you get that blowback and you get it.

444
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 5: You're the tip of the spear. A lot of this

445
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 5: saying stay in your lane. Like I mean, to your point,

446
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 5: you're in Hollywood, you're out of touch, and so I

447
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 5: appreciate your reflecting on that, and I think you're right

448
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 5: for athletes to get the same damn thing. Well, it's

449
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 5: like it's like shut up and drip, don't dribble.

450
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 3: Or shut up and drill up and dribble.

451
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, unless you're a conservative, and then you're revered

452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 5: from those same folks.

453
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: I think there was a very specific campaign to paint

454
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: those of us on a certain political side who are celebrities,

455
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: as being out of touch. And I think they did

456
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: a really good job at that. By the way, I

457
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: only text Gavin when he pisses me off, So I.

458
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 5: Guess I'm referencing a lot of text messages. So you're

459
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 5: not alone.

460
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 3: Every show we have somebody, we all say, get out them,

461
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: get out and get out of get them, get it,

462
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: go out of open pulpit.

463
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 5: Yeah. So this so this has only texted me once

464
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 5: in ten years, is what she's still saying.

465
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Why is the proposal

466
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: for an amendment in the Constitution, which is a great

467
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: idea to end Americans.

468
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 5: I know she hates this twenty eight.

469
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: Why is it still listed on your website as the

470
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: twenty eighth amendment?

471
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 5: I told you we took, we killed all that.

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: Is it still your website?

473
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna check it out. I haven't looked

474
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 5: at the website. Well, tell nobody terms expectacy, we're not

475
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 5: talking about she's been running this twenty eighth amendment for

476
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 5: aut fit how many years now? How many serious? Well?

477
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: Me are the shoulders that I stand on? One hundred

478
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: and one years? But I've been specifically involved in the

479
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: Equal Rights Amendment since twenty seventeen, which would be.

480
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 5: The twenty eighth amendment. And we propose a constitutional amendment

481
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 5: as relates to gun safety, which if it were approved,

482
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: would be the twenty eighth, and so it came out

483
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 5: as a twenty eighth. She texted me immediately. I said,

484
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 5: I'm totally with you. I totally respect that we pulled

485
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 5: back on the rhetoric in the campaign, but apparently the

486
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 5: website has not.

487
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: So let me look at that.

488
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, sit there, you go.

489
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 5: Well done proving your advocacy. By the way, when you

490
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: were with when you went on that Donahue show and

491
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 5: and you kiss Ryan, did you get a ton of

492
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 5: hate and blowbacks?

493
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I did, I mean, and and the trolling at

494
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: that at that time it was what was the hat about? Oh,

495
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: people started saying that I was HIV positive and that

496
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: I am you know, that I was going to die

497
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: of AIDS and like all the things. Because at that time,

498
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: you have to understand, like fear was such a big

499
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: part of how politicians the country socially culturally addressed HIV

500
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: AIDS because it was painted as a disease just for

501
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the lgb TQ plus community or IV drug users. So

502
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: when Ryan White came along and here was this kid

503
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: who was in school who got HIV from aug a

504
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: blood transfusion, he literally became the the reinvention of the

505
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: storytelling of how HIV AIDS is spread. And he was

506
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a saint and you know, spoke in front of Congress,

507
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: he got kicked out of school, fought for the right

508
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: to go back to school. I mean, just really a

509
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: special fifteen year old kid. You know. Citizen activism is

510
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: to me the most powerful and so at that time

511
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: it was a really big deal. I don't even know

512
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: if you can equate anything to it now.

513
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: And then listen, did he take me back? Did he

514
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: live a pretty lonely life then? Because I mean people

515
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: kind of ostracize him and whatnot. Was he was he

516
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: really kind of like on his own?

517
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Well, yes he was, but again this is he has

518
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: an incredible mother at an incredible mother, and she gave

519
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: him the strength and the wherewithal to know that like

520
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: he could really do something and gave his tragic situation

521
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: real purpose. And he changed the world.

522
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: Quite literally changed. There was laws in his name, Doug

523
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 5: and laws Marshaun. I mean, like literally it started a

524
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 5: march of a movement and an organizational construct and his life,

525
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 5: you know, was made visible and continues to be visible

526
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: to this day in terms of movements aground the world,

527
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: not just here in the United States. And and back

528
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 5: to sort of building on shoulders, I mean, so many

529
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: of the laws we have enshrined today for LGBTQ community

530
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 5: come from his fight in his example and his advocacy

531
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 5: and his mom's advocacy and legacy as well, which is powerful.

532
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 5: But Alica, that's I'd forget. I mean, honestly, I'd forgotten

533
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: until we were getting together today you're you're being there.

534
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: I mean, and you guys don't even remember Phil Donniue.

535
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: It was like that was it back to there was

536
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: three networks back in the you know, the old days.

537
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 5: I mean Phil Donahue was, I meant God back then

538
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 5: and all eyeballs on it. So when you know he was,

539
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 5: that was That was a hell of a moment, especially

540
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 5: for a teenager, the two of you as teenagers in

541
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 5: this this amazing moment. But I love what you said

542
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 5: and let me I want to build on this, this

543
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: notion of your mind getting stretched at that moment, and

544
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: it's never gone back to its original form, that you

545
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: identified yourself as something bigger than just an actress at

546
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: that moment that you felt compelled to share your voice.

547
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: It gave my fame because you have to realize, like

548
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, born and Brokelyn moved to Staten Island, all

549
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was famous, right. I was eleven

550
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: years old. I was on TV top ten show and

551
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: it was very uncomfortable for me. I didn't understand, and

552
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: much credit to my parents, even though we struggled financially,

553
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: I never felt that. So for me, it was a

554
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: lot like why me, Like why am I famous? Like

555
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: why can't? And you know, it was the height of

556
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: all the teen magazines and posters on people's walls, and

557
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: it was like it was it was very isolating. It

558
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: was a very weird existence for a teenager. And everything

559
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: that went I went through in my life, they wrote

560
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: it and Who's the Boss? So like I started developing

561
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: breasts all of a sudden, We'd show up on Monday

562
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: and there was an episode called Sam's First Bra and

563
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: it was like so humiliating. I couldn't even I was,

564
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't wrap my head around it. And what it

565
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: did was what Ryan did, was it gave it purpose

566
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, this is why me, this

567
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: is why like I understand, I understand now why.

568
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: Not me?

569
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: Right exactly?

570
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: And you had the mindset for too. As as as

571
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: as big especially being young, it was.

572
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: A different again, it was a different time. It really

573
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: was a time where, uh, celebrity involvement in causes mental

574
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: meant a lot, meant a lot of awareness.

575
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: But you still do you still don't see I think,

576
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: do you still do? You see a lot enough in celebrities, entertainers,

577
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: musicians now, I know, athletes get very involved to a degree,

578
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: but you still don't see as much as you probably

579
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: should from people that have the power to do things,

580
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: which is unfortunate.

581
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but I get it. I get it. It's

582
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're putting yourself out. I mean, I just

583
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: I think about the twenty twenty four election and how

584
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, you had Taylor Swift and and Beyonce and

585
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: all of these these huge people endorsing Kamala and then

586
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: she lost, and so I would think there's an element

587
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: of like does my stock go down? Like I don't

588
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: feel that way, but I would imagine, you know, when

589
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: you're sort of paraded out almost like a show pony,

590
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: and an election you know, is on your shoulders, I

591
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: feel like when you don't win that it's not only devastating,

592
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: I would think, but also does your stock go down?

593
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: So that's why I consider myself more of an activist

594
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: because I will always be boots on the ground, and

595
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: there are there are a group of us, I mean,

596
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: whether it you know, be athletes or actors or celebrities

597
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: that just don't give a shit, you know.

598
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: But but Melisten, that's but that's exactly what our partner,

599
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Morshawn's done. His wll career too, Like you know, he

600
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: looked to be honest with you. We started this podcast

601
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: more Shan got a lot of shit like the fuck

602
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: you doing this with Gavin, Dad or d and Marshawn's like, listen, man,

603
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: that's my brother, my family. I've known him, I know

604
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: who he is. So you might want to give me shit,

605
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: but fuck you. And so the point is, like, you know,

606
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 3: like we have people, some people like I don't want

607
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: to come.

608
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we had Marshan's back when he's kneeling on the sideline,

609
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: you know, and then I fell and expressing his quiet

610
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: point of view of.

611
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: Course sitting down, not kneeling, yeah, sitting there. But listen,

612
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: where Shawn's always done the same thing. He's going to

613
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: believe in what he believes in and do it no

614
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: matter what anybody says. And I appreciate that about you

615
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: as well, because you've done that since a young kid,

616
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: which is really rare because you've got a young kid.

617
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: Now we got young kids, and and and my kids,

618
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: some of my kids have done some of the stuff.

619
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: But when you see it at that young of age,

620
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool to see.

621
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: Well.

622
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: And also I think going back to like the fear factor.

623
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: I think when you're a kid, it's you're not afraid

624
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: of losing an audience or losing money, you know. I

625
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: think the the the more established artists, movie stars in particular,

626
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: that you you would think would be more vocal during

627
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: this time of political divide. I think there is an

628
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: element of like, well, if I'm not making twenty million

629
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: dollars a movie, how am I? How am I gonna

630
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: How am I gonna live?

631
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: Like?

632
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: How am I going to pay for everything that I

633
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: have to pay for? And so I think there is

634
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: like a fear that people are afraid to speak out

635
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: because they're afraid of alienating half the country. But I

636
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: have to tell you, I have never been. I get

637
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot of shit online. I have never been, and

638
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: I go to cons. I was just on Broadway for

639
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: three months. I have never met anyone face to face

640
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: who has ever except for at an NRI convention when

641
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I was protesting and this guy came over to me

642
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: with an AR fifteen wrapped around his back. But other

643
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: than that, there has never been anyone that has confronted

644
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: me in person about the political stand that I take

645
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: or the cultural stand that I take. And so I

646
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: wonder how much of it is just really having that

647
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: keyboard warrior mentality, or maybe maybe there are tual forms

648
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: like maybe that's a real the.

649
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: Online versus offline world. By the way, Marsham just curious

650
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: and just building out that. I mean, you know, without

651
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: reliving when you decided to just quietly express yourself on

652
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 5: the sidelines, did you get anyone in your face, anyone

653
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 5: ever confront you face to face? Yeah, face to face,

654
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 5: like Alyssa just said about her experience nine.

655
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, the thing is, I don't think

656
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: it's going to confine you, but it's more so like

657
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 4: you know, you have maybe some individuals from the organization

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Speaker 4: who probably want to understand, you know, I mean, where

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Speaker 4: you're coming from or why you're doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: But what I do notice a lot of the times,

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Speaker 4: like a lot of people is not a which is

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Speaker 4: why I don't mind sitting down having conversations with you,

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Speaker 4: but a lot of people not a knowledgeable enough to

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Speaker 4: understand and you know, I mean when it's a lot

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Speaker 4: of issues and shit going on, a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: I mean they're afraid to ask questions because they don't

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Speaker 4: want to feel like I mean not knowing or if

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Speaker 4: I'm asking a question, I'm not asking a dumb question.

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Speaker 4: And then I mean just the just the fact where

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Speaker 4: you know, it's you know, all these type of issues

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00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: going on and then you I mean, they they'll look

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00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: at you for you know, your response to you know,

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Speaker 4: what you got going on or the way you feel,

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Speaker 4: and because you know you don't think that you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe your thought process will be accepted the same way

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Speaker 4: that I mean. Another individuals is, uh, you know a

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Speaker 4: lot of people will tend to you know, shy away

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Speaker 4: from or not speak up because you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: go back to that same thing like.

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Speaker 2: Not being very knowledgeable about it.

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Speaker 1: I also think that there's an element of like the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can educate ourselves on issues is a

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Speaker 1: testament to how we are okay in life. I think

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Speaker 1: there's there's a certain amount of people in this country

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Speaker 1: who can't put food on their table, right so that

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Speaker 1: is the issue that is concerning them. It is not

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Speaker 1: you know, the the the umbrella of why that issue is.

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00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: It's the immediacy of like I can't feed my kid.

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Speaker 1: So in a way, it is a sort of a

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Speaker 1: luxury and a tech to be able to have to

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Speaker 1: think and to educate yourself and to have these conversations

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people can't even you know, they're

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00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: one financial dilemma away from being completely bankrupt.

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Speaker 5: Amen, But just you know, go back, just because you know,

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00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 5: just sort of the origin story, which I appreciate Ryan

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Speaker 5: being a big part of that, and and sort of

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 5: the spark of your advocacy because you're so defined in

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Speaker 5: this context. And that's why this conversation is so appropriate

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00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 5: we're having in the dialectic we're having around the benefit,

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00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: the pros and cons at a time of such polarization,

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Speaker 5: perhaps even more than any other time in our respective lives.

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00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: But was there You mentioned Audrey Heppern, you mentioned the

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Speaker 5: people that sort of iconically you looked up to it

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: when you when you were a young actress. But was

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Speaker 5: there a mentor in particular? Was there someone in particular

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Speaker 5: from an advocacy perspective that you really identified with that

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Speaker 5: sort of became a north star for you when you

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Speaker 5: were growing up?

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Speaker 1: Oh? So many people. I mean, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ruth Badery Ginsburg was hugely.

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Speaker 5: Even years ago. Listen, years ago, way back.

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Speaker 1: Way back, way back, I think. But again, I grew

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Speaker 1: up in a family that was very politically aware, like

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Speaker 1: my parents were part of the student strike in the sixties.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's I don't know. I think that

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Speaker 1: there was a different level of civic responsibility that we

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Speaker 1: don't really have anymore. And I think that there were

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Speaker 1: so many, so many activists were a steinum, so many

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Speaker 1: people to look up to as a kid, as a

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Speaker 1: young person, you know, and to be sort of at

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Speaker 1: the cusp of you know, I was born in seventy two,

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Speaker 1: so the cusp of the idea of feminism, you know,

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Speaker 1: and how you know, when you look at textbooks on feminism,

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Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't happen until the seventies. There was

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Speaker 1: not one textbook on feminism before a certain time, which

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Speaker 1: is so crazy. But you know, as I've gotten older,

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Speaker 1: Angela Davis, Martin, Luther King, you know, all of the people,

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Speaker 1: all of the people guy.

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Speaker 3: But look at look at by the way, look at

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Speaker 3: the athletes, Alssa, you got, you know, from Jim Brown

731
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Speaker 3: back in the day to Kareem Bill Walton Alli. I

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Speaker 3: mean that was the forefront of what these guys did

733
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: was amazing. You don't have Jane, but you don't have

734
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Speaker 3: that level of star power that's involved, like these guys

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00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: were back to the day. I remember mar Sean the

736
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Speaker 3: famous photo of it was it was Jim Brown, Ali

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Speaker 3: Kareem and I think it was camera was But for fourth,

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Speaker 3: I mean, just a level people.

739
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: How about this. Does anyone remember how Roberto Clemente died.

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00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: He was a UNISEF ambassador and he died on a

741
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: plane crash. Unis delivering supplies after an earthquake.

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Speaker 5: That's right now.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't even if there was any un ambassador there

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00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: was any danger, they would not be sending anyone anywhere,

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Speaker 1: especially not on a small plane.

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Speaker 3: So Leslie, you you as a mom now with your kids,

747
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Speaker 3: are they into I mean, I know one's a baseball player,

748
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Speaker 3: but are they do you have would you want them

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Speaker 3: to follow your same path in regards to the entertainment stuff.

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Speaker 1: So before I had kids and I was asked that question,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's no way they need to

752
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: go to school, they need to go to college, blah

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00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: blah blah. But then I had kids, and I I

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Speaker 1: realized that they kind of come out who they are

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Speaker 1: and it is our job as parents to give them

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Speaker 1: other experiences than to to you know, hopefully plant other

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Speaker 1: seeds of wonder. But like my daughter came out a

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00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: performer and she's doing musical theater, oh wow. And I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine taking it away from her. It's her people,

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00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: it's it's what she identifies with, it's how she expresses herself.

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Speaker 1: So at this point I got to kind of be like, now,

762
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: mind you much different time. Like when I was a

763
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: kid and you were an young actor, it was all

764
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: about you know, I wanted to be on TV or

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Speaker 1: be in the play Annie or whatever. Now it's like,

766
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: I want a YouTube channel. That's the goal.

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 5: Because I have to ask dyslexia. You and I share

768
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 5: that in common. Not easy in your profession, not easy

769
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 5: in any profession. But I mean take me back, I

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00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 5: mean you did you you have a difficult time reading?

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Speaker 5: Was it writing, spelling? Did it impact your confidence? Have

772
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Speaker 5: you overcome issues of dyslexia? Your kids experiencing any signs

773
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 5: of that, which often is the case.

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Speaker 1: It was very difficult. But this is like one of

775
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Speaker 1: those weird conversations where I think that, like being a

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00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: child actor was actually very beneficial for me because I

777
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: was tutored on the set, so I didn't have to

778
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: worry about catching up with the rest of the class

779
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: or learning at a specific pace, like the tutor recognized it.

780
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: My mom's dyslexic, so she was always watching out for it,

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Speaker 1: and I got to learn at my own pace with

782
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: a tutor, so she not only you know, made me

783
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: feel like a genius, but also gave me such a

784
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: love of learning and an understanding of the learning difference

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00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: that I have. And it was hard in the business

786
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: as far as like auditioning and having to read side,

787
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: so I'd go into sides or like the scenes, so

788
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: I'd usually go in for auditions completely off off the script,

789
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: so I'd have everything memorized. I'm actually oddly good at math,

790
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: which there's certain people in that are dyslexic that can

791
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: do math.

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00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: Davin Field is geometry statistics, I mean absolutely true.

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00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean I think that, uh, you know,

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00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: it is my superpower. I say, because oh I like.

795
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: That, see Doug, because of superpower, don't look down on

796
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: us with dyslexia.

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00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's how we look at even problem

798
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: solving because we see things in a different order or

799
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: a different perspective or so I love it. I love

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00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: it creatively too. I mean, it's I think it's been

801
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: a part. It's part of why I'm me.

802
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 5: Well, listen, you've loved it, love it. We can talk

803
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: to you for hours. I got to be honest with you.

804
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 3: I've always been a huge fan of years, and now

805
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: I know why because you've I mean, what you've done

806
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: and where you came from.

807
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: And how long, Doug, how long she's done it. Resilience

808
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: and longevity, that's the next level, and especially starting that young,

809
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 5: how so many people don't have this exact ample, and

810
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 5: how she keeps coming back in terms of standing on

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00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: principle and standing on purpose, and I admire the hell

812
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 5: out of that. And thanks for taking Sorry to cut

813
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 5: you off, Doug, but just thanks for taking so many

814
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: hits for so many other people. Thanks for being a

815
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: voice for a lot of voice people that don't have

816
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 5: a voice, and having the courage your damn convictions. It's,

817
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: as we say, increasingly rare.

818
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: So thank you for saying that. It is. It has

819
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: been the honor of my lifetime to be able to

820
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: do what I do. So thank you, and thank you.

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00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 5: Look to see you.

822
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: We look to see your son as thirteen and the

823
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: bigs one day and I want to represent them.

824
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Okay, great, check them out a transaction chat Myla Buliari

825
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I think you'll be impressed.

826
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: That's it.

827
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 5: That's why he asked you about your agent. I guess

828
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 5: he was trying to subsect and what that was about.

829
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Listen, if you ever need a female host guest host

830
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to come in for you know, for all the obvious reasons.

831
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: Well not what are you suggesting three of us?

832
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

833
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: Not only that, We're gonna invite you to a cracking

834
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: game as a hockey guru.

835
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: With Sewan in Seattle some time.

836
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: In the new year.

837
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: I would love to do that. I've no for me,

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00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: love love, love to do that. Thank you so much, great, thank.

839
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 5: You, great to be with. Thank you for doing this. Hey, Doug,

840
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: we love hearing from our listeners and if you have

841
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: any questions or comments, you can email us. Doug, where

842
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: do you email us?

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00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: It's Politicken at iHeartRadio dot com. That's Politicken at iHeartRadio

844
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: dot com. We want all the questions, good, bad, and

845
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: different ugly to Doug to beast mode.

846
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: Send your questions to Politicking at iHeartRadio dot com.