WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 3>today on Weird House Cinema, we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Akira Kurosawa's nineteen ninety anthology film Dreams, which is

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what it says on the box. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>collection of eight short vignettes that take the form of

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<v Speaker 3>dreams and nightmares. I had never seen this film before

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<v Speaker 3>this week when I picked it out for the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love this movie. But if you watch it,

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<v Speaker 3>you should know what you're getting into, especially if you've

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<v Speaker 3>liked other Corosawa movies. This is not Seven Samurai that's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a gripping, exciting story. This is a movie

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<v Speaker 3>that really asks for your patients as an audience member.

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<v Speaker 3>The pace is moody and slow. There is no central

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<v Speaker 3>or overarching plot. There are some themes and character types

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<v Speaker 3>that recur, but each of the eight short stories is

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<v Speaker 3>essentially self contained, and they partake of extremely varied tones, settings,

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<v Speaker 3>and pacing. Some of the stories are like a weird

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<v Speaker 3>kind of improvisational fairy tale. Some are frightening, baffling encounters

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<v Speaker 3>with monstrous entities. Some are kind of idyllic meetings between

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<v Speaker 3>a curious protagonist and a thoughtful character, and some are

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<v Speaker 3>apocalyptic visions of a doomed earth. You really get all

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<v Speaker 3>different kinds of dreams in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, this is a great film. I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>you picked this one, Joe. This is not a Chrosall

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<v Speaker 2>film I'd ever seen either. Generally, I'd seen just a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of his Samurai epics, Throne of Blood being from

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<v Speaker 2>years back.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's of my favorites too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I had not. I had not rewatched or

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<v Speaker 2>watched any Krosawa recently, so it was great to dive

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<v Speaker 2>into this one. And yeah, I absolutely agree. This movie

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<v Speaker 2>is true to the title, just steeped in the texture

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<v Speaker 2>of dream in a way that is I think, far

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<v Speaker 2>far more sublime than the mere trappings of the cinematic

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<v Speaker 2>dream sequence. Curasawa, with signature excellence here generates a strong

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<v Speaker 2>ambience of dreams, often, or at least it seems to me,

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<v Speaker 2>with a one two punch of first intriguing monotony and

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<v Speaker 2>then this emotional upwelling.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I think I know what you mean that

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<v Speaker 3>many of these stories have a kind of earlier middle

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<v Speaker 3>section where something is kind of either slow and contemplative

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<v Speaker 3>or frustratingly repetitive and monotonous, and then suddenly there is

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<v Speaker 3>a breakthrough. There's some kind of catharsis where something of

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<v Speaker 3>powerful emotional significance happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And I found this very very interesting and

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<v Speaker 2>very true to my experiences with dreams and my recollection

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<v Speaker 2>of my own dreams. Intriguing monotony. Here is not a

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<v Speaker 2>dig at the picture or a kursawa. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's ultimately kind of a revelation that we see dreams

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<v Speaker 2>presented in this manner, where like you know, generally our

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<v Speaker 2>dream the dreams that we have night to night are

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<v Speaker 2>not worthy of cinematic adaptation, but I think people may

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<v Speaker 2>recognize this basic form. Like I had this dream and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like I was trying to put together some

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<v Speaker 2>Ikia furniture and I couldn't put it together. And this

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<v Speaker 2>just kept happening for what seemed like hours, and then

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<v Speaker 2>my dad showed up and I had a conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>my long deceased father, that sort of thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with so like a one two punch of monotony, lost

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<v Speaker 2>in some sort of an environment or a situation that

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<v Speaker 2>may not have anything that's really driving it forward, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's some sort of emotional upwelling. It's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>the dream is the garden of the subconscious, populated seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>by weeds of various thoughts, memories, and observations, and then

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<v Speaker 2>some powerful emotional resonance emerges through and into this dream garden,

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<v Speaker 2>taking on its trapping.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a great way to put it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these stories are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that that emotional upwelling. It might be love,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be fear, it might be regret. So in

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<v Speaker 2>any way, what I'm trying to say is yes to

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. Dreams is not a fast paced film.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're more familiar with Chrosawa's action and drama films,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a different beast. I also want to highlight

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<v Speaker 2>that I watched this film with a fever. I'm I've

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<v Speaker 2>just returned from some extensive travel and something came back

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and this is a This is a good

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<v Speaker 2>fever film. I have to say. If you find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>sort of drifting in and out, this is the perfect

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<v Speaker 2>film to do it. There was a time or two

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<v Speaker 2>where I caught myself falling asleep a little bit, which

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes happens when you become horizontal and you watch films.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's extra interesting with this picture because like Kurrasawa

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<v Speaker 2>has already put you into the monotony of the dream sequence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, into the dream world, and so you find

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<v Speaker 2>yourself slipping into that dream world for real.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like all of them would be good to

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<v Speaker 3>fall asleep and then wake up again, to accept Mount

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<v Speaker 3>Fuji and Red. That one's got to be real tough

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of suddenly realize what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that one was, we'll get to that one. That

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<v Speaker 2>one was the rougher one for me. But anyway, this

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<v Speaker 2>is our first Karrosawa film on Weird House Cinema. We've

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<v Speaker 2>of course mentioned him numerous times in passing on the

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<v Speaker 2>show because, of course, a it's impossible to discuss Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>cinema without acknowledging a Kira Kurosawa. And you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly the case too with something like a Godzilla film,

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<v Speaker 2>even because those several of the Godzilla films we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about in the show were filmed by Ishil Hondakrasawa's friend

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<v Speaker 2>and a frequent collaborator under tow Host Studios. And then

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<v Speaker 2>on top of all of this, it's ultimately impop well

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss cinema at all without eventually referencing Krosawa, as

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of the most famed and influential filmmakers of

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<v Speaker 2>all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I would say the majority of his films, at

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<v Speaker 3>least the ones I've seen, are not really in the

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<v Speaker 3>weird house cinema space, and that I absolutely love them.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're a little bit more straightforwardly realism bound, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're often realistic period stories. They don't really get into

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of weird genres we talk about, though there

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<v Speaker 3>are some very weird things in Throne of Blood, even

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<v Speaker 3>though it is basically a Macbeth adaptation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Throwing of Blood is the one that previously I

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<v Speaker 2>considered that to be the Corosawa film we might get to.

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<v Speaker 2>But this, I think was isn't even better fit for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because obviously this is dreams, and what's weirder

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<v Speaker 3>than dreams? I mean, dreams are dreams are the classic

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<v Speaker 3>weird house cinema. Before there was cinema, there was the

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<v Speaker 3>weird house cinema of the inner space.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Oh, by the way, this is a Cura

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<v Speaker 2>Krosawa's Dreams, or sometimes just Dreams. It's often referenced by

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<v Speaker 2>that title. Not to be confused with nineteen ninety five's Memories,

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent animated anthology from Kutserhiro Otamo. These are two

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<v Speaker 2>very different films, but I have caught myself on multiple

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<v Speaker 2>occasions confusing the two titles in my mind. So I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect I'm not alone here. Memories is anime and it's excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also an anthology. This is live action and it's Corsawa,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also an anthology.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought it might be good at the top

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<v Speaker 3>here to go ahead and do a brief rundown of

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<v Speaker 3>the eight different dreams in this movie, with like a

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<v Speaker 3>one or two sentence summary of each, just so that

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<v Speaker 3>we can refer back to them more easily as we

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<v Speaker 3>go along, talking about the themes and the connections and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we can talk about the plot in more

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<v Speaker 3>detail later on. But okay, so the eight segments are.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one is called Sunshine through the Rain. In

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<v Speaker 3>this one, a young boy wanders into the forest during

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<v Speaker 3>a sunshower when it's raining, but the sun is shining

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<v Speaker 3>against his mother's ad vice, and he witnesses the marriage

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<v Speaker 3>ceremony of the fox spirits, which is something he should

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<v Speaker 3>not have seen. This first segment may be my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>segment of all. I'm really excited to talk more about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The second segment is the Peach Orchard. This takes place

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<v Speaker 3>on a festival day in Japan called the Day of

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<v Speaker 3>Hinomatsuri or the Dolls Day festival, sometimes the Girl's Day festival.

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<v Speaker 3>On this day, a boy follows a spectral girl dressed

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<v Speaker 3>in pink and white out to the terraces where a

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<v Speaker 3>peach orchard used to grow, and the spirits of the

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<v Speaker 3>now destroyed peach trees appear in the form of dolls

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<v Speaker 3>and perform They talk to him, and they perform a

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<v Speaker 3>traditional dance. The third segment is called the Blizzard. In

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<v Speaker 3>this segment, a group of four mountain climbers are struggling

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<v Speaker 3>to reach camp in the middle of a terrible snowstorm,

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<v Speaker 3>and the climbers they're overwhelmed by the snow. They begin

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<v Speaker 3>to succumb to the cold, and their leader has a

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<v Speaker 3>blood curdling vision of a snow witch. In the fourth

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<v Speaker 3>meant the tunnel. While walking home after the end of

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<v Speaker 3>a war, presumably World War II, a Japanese military officer

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<v Speaker 3>has to pass through a tunnel on a mountain road.

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<v Speaker 3>There he meets first an angry dog strapped with explosives,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a soldier, and then a company of soldiers

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<v Speaker 3>who died under his command. The fifth segment crows. This

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<v Speaker 3>one is more lighthearted. A painter is looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>works of How are we going to say his name

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<v Speaker 3>in this episode? I always Vincent the painter, Vincent van

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<v Speaker 3>goch or Vincent van Go. I'm just going to say

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<v Speaker 3>van Go. I know that's not the correct original pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. That's how I always learned it when I

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<v Speaker 3>was growing up the paintings of Vincent van Go. He

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<v Speaker 3>looks at these paintings, he admires them, and then he

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<v Speaker 3>sort of appears within the artistic world of van Go

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<v Speaker 3>and then finally meets the artist and learns things about

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<v Speaker 3>his vision and kind of interfaces with his view of

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<v Speaker 3>art and the world. After that, we get a segment

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<v Speaker 3>called Mount fou and Red. This is where the terror

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<v Speaker 3>really ramps up. Our Corrosawa surrogate here in many of

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<v Speaker 3>these segments are probably in all of them, you can

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<v Speaker 3>view the protagonist as some form of Kurusawa himself, either

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<v Speaker 3>as a child or a sort of alternate life version

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<v Speaker 3>of himself. In this segment, our surrogate finds himself in

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<v Speaker 3>a massive crowd of people fleeing a disaster. We see

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<v Speaker 3>Mount Fuji in the distance appear glowing hot, framed by explosions,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a man in a suit appears to explain

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<v Speaker 3>that these explosions are caused by a meltdown at a

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear power plant, and the people are being killed by

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<v Speaker 3>clouds full of radioactive isotopes, and it just gets worse

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<v Speaker 3>from there. Next we have the Weeping Demon. In this segment,

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<v Speaker 3>a man is climbing across a craggy, desolate landscape of

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<v Speaker 3>rocks and gravel, and he encounters a monstrous man with

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<v Speaker 3>a horn on his head. We learn that the man

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<v Speaker 3>has been mutated by nuclear fallout, and against a backdrop

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<v Speaker 3>of giant dandelions, he explains the cannibalistic hell of the

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<v Speaker 3>radioactive desert, and then in the final segment, we get

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<v Speaker 3>a rapid sort of down shift back into out of

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<v Speaker 3>all the horrors, into a more contemplative mode. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a segment called the Village of the Watermills, where our

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<v Speaker 3>Kurosawa protagonist kind of ambles into an idyllic rural village

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<v Speaker 3>along a river and he meets a wise old man

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<v Speaker 3>and observes the local customs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no surprise, but Christawa really nailed it here

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<v Speaker 2>with the order. It's just it's the perfect There's no

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<v Speaker 2>other order for these sequences that would make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you may have more to say about this

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<v Speaker 3>because you were watching the documentary, But I have read

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<v Speaker 3>that there were originally intended to be more dreams that

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<v Speaker 3>appeared in the film, but the segments got paired back

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<v Speaker 3>as production went along, in some cases, I think at

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<v Speaker 3>the writing stage. In some cases after some things were shot.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, whatever the original intentions, it does feel

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<v Speaker 3>complete and cohesive to me with this set of aid

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<v Speaker 3>even though I now know there were originally going to

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<v Speaker 3>be more. This just feels right. Somehow it got to

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<v Speaker 3>the right place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And from what I understand of Krisawa's approach to filmmaking,

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<v Speaker 2>this seems to line up with the way he approached

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<v Speaker 2>things like you just sort of fine tune it as

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<v Speaker 2>you go, and then the eventual final form presents itself

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<v Speaker 2>to you, and in that case, these are the segments,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the ore.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting, And this might not actually be a contradiction,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've always read about Kurrasawa as a very meticulously

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<v Speaker 3>planning in advance kind of filmmaker that like he can

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<v Speaker 3>sort of see all the shots in his head ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of time, and he sort of is editing in his

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<v Speaker 3>mind ahead of time. Have you read similar things?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely it was. I had not really consumed

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<v Speaker 2>much about the man or his approach to filmmaking prior

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<v Speaker 2>to checking out a couple of the documentaries on the

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<v Speaker 2>Criterion collection disc for this film, which I'll reference here

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<v Speaker 2>in a bit, But uh, there's a behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>some behind the scenes footage where you could see him

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<v Speaker 2>in action shooting with the picture, and then there's a uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a great twenty eleven documentary as well titled Kurrasawa's

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<v Speaker 2>Way that you know, gets into this a bit as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Yeah, one of the things that I found very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting is that like he's apparently, you know, very much

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a loner, a man of few words. There,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he would what he would say about his

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<v Speaker 2>process and A and and certainly in his directorial approach

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<v Speaker 2>was often succinct and to the point. But uh, but

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't. He was admittedly like not somebody that would

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<v Speaker 2>talk about theory a lot like it kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>he sees it in his head, he knows exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>he wants it to work, and then you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>amount of experimentation finding that that form. But he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>not spouting a lot of theory. He's not then doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of a film theory analysis of what worked

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<v Speaker 2>and what didn't. And it's kind of left to all

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<v Speaker 2>of the people that he influenced to come back and

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<v Speaker 2>continually rewatch and describe exactly what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was thinking about how, you know, sometimes people

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<v Speaker 3>break down filmmakers into oh, I don't know, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>the rough division would be like technical filmmakers versus humanistic filmmakers,

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<v Speaker 3>those who are more concerned with the technical expression of

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<v Speaker 3>an artistic vision. You know, they're using their techniques and

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<v Speaker 3>their skills to sort of put what they see in

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<v Speaker 3>their head on the screen, versus the humanistic vision that

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<v Speaker 3>is more concerned with themes and characters and film as

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<v Speaker 3>narrative and film as kind of I don't know, an

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<v Speaker 3>abstract product, something that you could explain and talk about

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<v Speaker 3>and interpret the meaning of. And I think you could

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<v Speaker 3>easily make the case that Corrusawa is very much both.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you could make the argument that he is one

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<v Speaker 3>more than the other, but in both directions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like he has he certainly has all those

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<v Speaker 2>technical abilities and those exceptional at them, but they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of they kind of almost seems like they're internalized

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<v Speaker 2>to a degree to where it's like all this is

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<v Speaker 2>going on inside. And again he's not discussing the theory

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<v Speaker 2>of how it's all coming together, but it certainly comes together.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I had typed up a list of themes

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<v Speaker 3>I saw emerging in multiple segments of the film that

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<v Speaker 3>I was maybe going to talk about here, but actually

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should save that for later in the episode,

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<v Speaker 3>after we talk about the plot in a little more detail,

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<v Speaker 3>or the plots all right, So we would usually say

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<v Speaker 3>an elevator pitch here, I think we've sort of already

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<v Speaker 3>given it. It's Kira Kurosawa takes you on a tour

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<v Speaker 3>of his dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would also submit, oops, I had another dream.

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<v Speaker 3>They they do like there's a transition that often pops

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<v Speaker 3>in to just say I had another dream.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, if you would like to watch Dreams the

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<v Speaker 2>cure Crosawa's Dreams. Fortunately, this one's widely available, various streaming

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<v Speaker 2>options out there. We can watch it digitally. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it on the Criterion Collection Blu Ray, which I written

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<v Speaker 2>from Atlanta's own videodrome. Some excellent extras on this disc,

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<v Speaker 2>as you'd expect, and I'll be referencing some of those.

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<v Speaker 2>It's must purchase for anyone, or must rent for anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to go for a deeper dive into this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>As of this recording, the film is not on Criterion Channel,

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<v Speaker 2>but as with any streaming service, titles come and go there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's simply the case, or it

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<v Speaker 2>has something to do with the Warner Brothers aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>this production. I'm not sure, but yeah, you can definitely

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<v Speaker 2>get it on Criterion Collection, Blu ray or DVD, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not on Criterion Channel right now, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Should we talk about the connections.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's get into it starting, I guess with Kira Kurosawa,

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<v Speaker 2>the director and writer who lived nineteen ten through nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight, and I really have to preface here and

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<v Speaker 2>say that it feels really challenging to do any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of brief summary of such a cinematic icon. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here it goes. This brief summary year based on some

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<v Speaker 2>information that I read at the excellent Akira Kurosawa dot

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<v Speaker 2>info page, which is really good, as well as the

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<v Speaker 2>extras on the disc that I just referenced. So, Krasawa

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<v Speaker 2>was the youngest child and a moderately wealthy Japanese family

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<v Speaker 2>descended from the former samurai class. His initial creative interest

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<v Speaker 2>was painting, which is interesting given one of our segments

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<v Speaker 2>in this film, but he followed his gifted older brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Hego in his passion for cinema. Hago worked as an

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<v Speaker 2>on site silent film narrator or benshi at this time

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently enjoyed some amount of success there, and as

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<v Speaker 2>Akira lived with him at the time, he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to gain entry into an array of films, plays, and

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<v Speaker 2>circus performances, which he would later cite as being very

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<v Speaker 2>influential on his craft. Now, Hago's work dried up with

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<v Speaker 2>the decline of silent films during the nineteen thirties, Akira

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<v Speaker 2>moved back with his parents and two of his sisters,

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<v Speaker 2>and Hago sadly died by suicide in nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty five, the Kurra Crosawa answered an advert

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<v Speaker 2>in the newspaper from Photo Chemical Laboratories PCL. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what would go on to become Toho Studios. They were

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<v Speaker 2>seeking new assistant directors to engage in a mentor apprenticeship program,

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<v Speaker 2>and so Akira submitted an essay. I've read that it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a cheeky submission where he's like, the

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<v Speaker 2>prompt was something like what would you do to fix

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<v Speaker 2>a Japanese cinema And he's like, it can't be fixed

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know, but at any rate he

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<v Speaker 2>won them over. He received a callback, and he went

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<v Speaker 2>on to work with numerous established and up and coming directors.

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<v Speaker 2>A special note his mentor, Kajiro Yamamoto. Kurosawa also took

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<v Speaker 2>to screenwriting during this time, saw the value of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he served as a second unit or assistant director

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<v Speaker 2>on numerous films and wrote screenplays for a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>films before co writing and filming his first directorial effort

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<v Speaker 2>with nineteen forty three's Sanshiro Sugata, a serious judo drama.

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<v Speaker 2>I've not seen this one, but I've seen some clips

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<v Speaker 2>from it, and they discussed it in the extras on

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<v Speaker 2>the disc. It would spawn a nineteen forty five sequel,

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<v Speaker 2>which he also co wrote and directed. In the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eleven documentary Kursawa's Way on the Criterion Collection disc, they

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<v Speaker 2>point out this picture's sublime portrayal of action. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a judo film. It's a wrestling picture, but like a

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<v Speaker 2>serious one, not like a Santo picture or some of

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<v Speaker 2>the latter, you know, Japanese pro wrestling of pictures and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. But the action is really interesting because it

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<v Speaker 2>has pointed out in this documentary, there's less of a

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the actual grappling, or certainly the most impactful

0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:02.439
<v Speaker 2>physical moments of the grappling war on audience responses, audio,

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>emotional responses to the impact. So we won't actually see

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<v Speaker 2>the impact. We'll see how people respond to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll see sort of the results of that impact,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very interesting. So Kisawa's wartime work included propaganda films,

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently also included, to varying degrees, the Judo Pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the sequel. His work during this time sometimes was

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<v Speaker 2>seen as too Western by sensors, and his nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>five film The Men Who Tread on the Tiger's Tail,

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<v Speaker 2>a period piece, managed to run a foul of both

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<v Speaker 2>imperial Japanese sensors and then subsequently American occupation sensors, for

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<v Speaker 2>being in one case too democratic and then in the

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<v Speaker 2>other case too feudal. I guess this is often the case.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're managing to piss everyone off, maybe you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>something right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't walk through every kisaw Will picture, but we

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<v Speaker 2>might reasonably summarize his post post war work along the

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<v Speaker 2>stepping stones of No Regrets for Our Youth in forty six,

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<v Speaker 2>the award winning One Wonderful Sunday from forty six as Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I Believe, and then nineteen forty eight Drunken Angel, considered

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<v Speaker 2>by many to be his first major work and his

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<v Speaker 2>first picture to feature Toshiro Mafuni, who Kurosawa would famously

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<v Speaker 2>utilize in many of his masterpieces to come, including nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifties Raschaman, which earned him international acclaim, including recognition at

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<v Speaker 2>the Academy Awards in nineteen fifty two, and from there,

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<v Speaker 2>Kirasawa went on to write and direct some of the

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<v Speaker 2>best regarded films in cinema history, including but not limited to,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four to seven Samurai, fifty seven's Throwne of Blood,

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>fifty eight's The Hidden Fortress, sixty one's Yojimbo, sixty threes,

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<v Speaker 2>High and Low, nineteen eighties Kejimusha, The Shadow Warrior, and

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five's Ron. These decades entailed various ups and

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<v Speaker 2>down industry changes, some unsuccessful Hollywood projects, most notably Runaway Train,

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<v Speaker 2>which would ultimately be directed by another director nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 2>various setbacks and excursion of the Soviet Union to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five's durso Uzala, and a comeback partially produced

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<v Speaker 2>by influential American directors who he had heavily influenced himself.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was increasingly important as Japanese studios were in

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<v Speaker 2>this time less likely to back him, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>was increasingly turning to outside and foreign financers. And certainly

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case with Dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it the case with his later films that they

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<v Speaker 3>were regarded both in Japan and internationally as masterpieces, But

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<v Speaker 3>they also didn't make a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I've read. I was looking at like some

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<v Speaker 2>contemporary Ebert reviews talking about like what happens when you

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<v Speaker 2>have like a master who you know, keeps doing their

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<v Speaker 2>own thing, but you know, doesn't necessarily it is not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily chasing what the audience wants. Then maybe some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at some information about how this film

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<v Speaker 2>Dreams was received, and I've seen it described as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a largely muted response both domestically and internationally.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, there was like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of excitement for it, especially among directors who admired his

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<v Speaker 2>work so much. And another interesting wrinkle is that apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this comes as a surprise I think for

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<v Speaker 2>many because I know when I started watching Krosawa films,

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<v Speaker 2>they were airing i think on Turner Classic Movies and

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<v Speaker 2>or American Movie Classics. Even it seems weird that they

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<v Speaker 2>would be on American movie class American Movie Classic showed

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different films, but at any rate, I

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<v Speaker 2>had ready access to them on television on cable, and nowadays,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have all these excellent criterion collection editions.

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently for a while they weren't all necessarily available

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<v Speaker 2>on home video, with the exception of Dreams because of

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<v Speaker 2>the Warner Brothers connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I see.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if the initial response was kind of muted,

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<v Speaker 2>more and more people had the opportunity to Sea Dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course it gradually earned it more of a following,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think is also seen as this interesting outlier

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<v Speaker 2>in Corosawa's filmography. You know, there's nothing else quite like

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<v Speaker 2>it among his other titles.

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<v Speaker 3>My general impression is that a lot of critics don't

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<v Speaker 3>put it at like his in his top tier list,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not in a lot of people's top

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<v Speaker 3>five Corosawa movies or whatever, but that it is nowadays

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<v Speaker 3>widely respected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, it's one of those filmographers though, right

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, if you're talking about the seventh best

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Carrosawa film, you're still talking about a great motion picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Krissawa was honored at the sixty second Academy Awards in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety and he went on to complete two more films,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one's Rhapsody in August and nineteen ninety three's Maddeo.

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<v Speaker 2>He was working on The Sea Is Watching in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, when he apparently suffered a fall, leaving him

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<v Speaker 2>unabuilt to direct, and his health rapidly declined in the

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<v Speaker 2>following years, and he passed away in nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>The Sea Is Watching would ultimately be made in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two by a different director, among a couple

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 2>of other posthumous screenplay credits. Now, to come back to

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 2>something I was talking about here earlier, one of the

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 2>things driven home by numerous Japanese and international directors in

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Kursaw was way the documentary is that he is really

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<v Speaker 2>the epitome of a director's director. I imagine you could

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<v Speaker 2>take that a step further now and say that he's

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<v Speaker 2>a director's director's director, or to that effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Meaning he is appreciated, especially by other practitioners of the

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 3>art form, not just by audiences, but especially like people

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 3>who make films really admire the way he makes films.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems really difficult to overstress his influence on

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>modern cinema and directors around the world, Directors who would

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>often and continue to analyze every minute detail of how

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.199
<v Speaker 2>his direction of actors, lighting, framing, use of space and

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>everything else came together on the screen and it can

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>almost be invisible, I think to many of us, because

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>if you're watching a Krosawa film, I mean, its magic

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 2>is going to work on you. You are going to

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to necessarily unless you're, you know, making

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>an effort to You're just it's going to. Its spell

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>is going to work. You're not going to be maybe

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>thinking about how he's shooting everything. Because in part of it, too,

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I think, is because he was so influential, many of

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the things he did simply became more or less standards

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 2>of filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's true that a lot of times

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 3>good technical directing does not really call attention to itself.

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 3>It manifests in utter absorption in the narrative and content.

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so you're.

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Watching seven Samurai, you might not be thinking a lot

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 3>about the you know, how every shot is being framed

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 3>and how he captures movement and light and stuff, But

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 3>you know that your attention is held very closely, and

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 3>that's sort of like how it comes through to the

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 3>average viewer.

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. All right, let's move on to some other folks

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>involved in this picture with with less detail we've covered

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the big one here, of course, is Shuro Honda. Who

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen eleven through nineteen ninety three. Famed director of Godzilla,

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>who we've discussed in the show I think three different times,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>most recently in our discussion of nineteen sixty four's matha

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Versus Godzilla. He was a creative consultant on this picture.

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.239
<v Speaker 3>I think I read that especially his experience in the

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 3>military was used to choreograph the sequence called the Tunnel

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 3>where we see military, we see army members marching information.

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, I have to say

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that the Mount Fuji segment also feels very Honda like.

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>You can imagine him at least standing in the background

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>nodding and being like, yep, you've nailed at Krisawa on

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>that one, all right. Getting into the actors here, starting

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>with the Dreamer, generally credited as I because we keep

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>having that dead for us, where we read the words

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I had another dream, and then here's our dreamer, our

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>dream walker. I. Our Dreamer is played by Akira Tera

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Hope born nineteen forty seven. Born into successful acting family.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 2>He's also a musician, having been in the nineteen sixties

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>band The Savage Joe. I included an album cover from

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.239
<v Speaker 2>The Savage They don't look very savage. They look just

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 2>like some very clean cut guys here. Yeah, they look

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>like they're they're ready to head down to the sokop. Yeah.

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>But he subsequently launched a successful solo career, and I

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 2>think in this he took on a more edgy persona

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and often had kind of like a like a nihilistic

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of like dressed in black, wearing sunglasses thing going.

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 3>On, holding a twelve string guitar, looking like nothing matters.

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, successful musician, award winning musician, and then

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 2>as an actor. He debuted in nineteen sixty eight The

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Sands of Krobi and later appeared in Karasawa was Ron.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>He's also in nineteen ninety six's Rebirth of Mathra and

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four's cas hern This is one Caserne

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>is not. I haven't seen either of these two films, actually,

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>but cass Herne is one that I've seen get video

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 2>stores for years because it has some sort of like

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>a space ninja on it. I don't know much about it.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>If you out there are fans, write in and tell

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>me all about it.

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 3>You know. I was gonna say in talking about the

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 3>themes of the film that one of them is the

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 3>self as both fluid and constant. The protagonist in each

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>of these dreams, I think you could say, is the

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 3>same person and yet is also quite different and both

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>in terms of apparent life history, some aspects of personality

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 3>seem to change. Sometimes the protagonist is assertive, sometimes the

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 3>protagonist is quite passive. That just varies a lot between

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>the segments, and there's no narrative continuity between them, but

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 3>there is a kind of thematic continuity, like the segments

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 3>are strung together by associations and preoccupations rather than causality.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 3>And so this was making me think. I was trying

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 3>to the performance, like, do the events of one dream

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 3>at all affect the protagonist in a different dream? And

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I think you could see it going both ways, Like

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 3>the events of the movie never seem to be literally additive,

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 3>and yet they may be kind of like the other

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 3>dreams are kind of stirring in the memory of the

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>protagonist in the other segments. You know, I don't know

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 3>exactly how you would read that into Tara Oh's performance here,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 3>but that does feel right. It feels like it's part

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 3>of his story that there is I don't know, somehow,

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 3>like not complete conscious knowledge of what was dreamt in

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>the other dreams, but a kind of vague sense of

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I've had a feeling like this before.

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean that's the way it often feels

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>with dreams. You know, you might bring the content of

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>one dream into the next. And also, at least in

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>my own experience, like, sometimes you're you, and the dreams

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're less you. And then so I feel like

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>this character is you know sometimes you know. I think

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>in general we can think of him as a Krosawa

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>stand in. Sometimes he's more of a voyeuristic figure or

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>even an avatar by which we experience the dream, though

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>his role is more personal and intense in certain segments,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>namely the Tunnel, which we'll get to.

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, I certainly had the Tunnel in mind for

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 3>his more like assertive and active roles. But almost always,

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 3>and I guess this is often true of dreams, he's

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 3>more reacting than acting on the world, and often reacting

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.959
<v Speaker 3>with a kind of futility. Yeah.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because again, there's all these or most of these dreams,

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>if not all of them, they begin with the sense

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>of being trapped in something like we're maybe not trapped

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>trapped is too strong a word, too nightmarish, like you know,

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>in the texture of dreams, like sometimes you're just there

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and you're a part of it. I don't know, it's

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>hard to really state it, but anyway, yeah, I liked

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>his performance. It kind of the exact details of it

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>change from sequence to sequence, and then to be clear,

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>in subsequences. I the Dreamer is played by a child

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 2>a couple of different actors I believe, Mitsunori Issaki born

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, and then another actor by the name of

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Toshiko Nakano playing younger versions of the Dreamer.

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 3>I think you could argue that the segments of the

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>film are roughly chronological in terms of the protagonists age.

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if exactly, but like the first one,

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 3>the protagonist is the youngest, the second one, he's the

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 3>second youngest, and then becomes an adult, and it does

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 3>seem to progress through a kind of maturity arc in

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 3>life from there.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe so, all right, Rolling through some of

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the other performances here, of note, we have Metsuko Basho

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>as the Dreamer's mother in the first sequence born nineteen

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 2>forty six, Japanese Academy Award winning actress, whose credits include

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine s Vengeance's Mine, nineteen eighty's Kja Musha,

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and a voice roll in two thousand and six is

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Tales from Earth. See that's a Goro Miyazaki.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Film adapted from the Ursula of the Win.

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, Yeah, Then of course eventually we're gonna get

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>our yuki Ono the snow Fairy or the snow Woman

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the snow Witch. More on the details of this character

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>in a bit, but this is of course a yokai

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that pops up throughout Japanese media, played here by Miko

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Harada born nineteen fifty eight. She was also coming off

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a major role in Kurosawa's Ron, and her other credits

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>include seventy nine's The Inferno, nineteen eighty eight's Tokyo The

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Last Megalopolis. That's one I haven't seen, but that one's

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of famous for a couple of different reasons, including

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the fact that hr Giger designed something for it, twenty

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>twelve's Helter Skelter, and Oh, I don't know anything about

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>this one, but sometimes the title just catches you twenty sixteens.

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>If Katz disappeared from the world, I'm enthralled. I need

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to know more about that one, but anyway, she's won

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 2>multiple acting award in her native Japan. All right. In

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the tunnel sequence, we have a ghostly figure from the

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>past that shows up, Private Naguchi played by Yoshitaka Sushi

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>born nineteen fifty five, another Ron cast member who was

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>also in a number of other pictures, including two other

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Kurosawa pictures, sixty five's Red Beard and nineteen seventies Dotsukatton.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Now late in the picture, we're going to have an

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>old man character who is fabulous, played by Chishu Ryu,

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen oh four through nineteen ninety three. Award

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>winning and long lasting Japanese actor, his work spans six decades,

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and his other credits include Red Beard, nineteen fifty three's

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Story and nineteen eighty five's Mishima, a Life in

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>four chapters. He also appeared in Vim Vendors Until the

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>End of the World in nineteen ninety one.

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 3>And in many ways, this old man is kind of

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 3>the soul of the movie, especially appearing as he does

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 3>in the last segment.

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's terrific. I really love this performance. This guy's

0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>great and.

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 3>He has some opinion. He's of all the segment. He's

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 3>just like saying opinions into the camera.

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but he's great.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 3>It's got that quality of like he's old, let him talk.

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and I think he may have. I think

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this guy speaks more than anyone else in the picture.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We get a lot as well from

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the Crying Demon. And this character was played by Chosuki Ikaria,

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen thirty one through two thousand and four.

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>His other credits in Beclue, nineteen ninety one's My Son's

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 2>and nineteen ninety eight's Base Side Shakedown.

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, one thing I didn't know about the cast

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.479
<v Speaker 3>when I pictured this movie is that it was going

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 3>to have Martin Scorsese acting in it.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, playing Vincent van Go. You have legendary

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>American director and noted Corosala admire. Yeah, he's definitely in

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that documentary Krosawa's way talking about his experience on the

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>film and his admiration for Krosawa's work. And it's interesting because, yeah,

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>so Scorsese himself an admire of Corosawa and study or

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 2>of Corosawa's work here playing a master painter admired by

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the dreamer, and so it's kind of a neat inversion there,

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>literally following the master into his work here.

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah, is it true that he interrupted making Goodfellas

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to like fly in to shoot this.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't read that, but that sounds or hear

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that in the doc, but that that sounds likely. Yes,

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's the kind of respect that all of

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 2>these directors had for him.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I also found Scorsese's screen presence interesting because he does

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 3>not come in the way sometimes like a well known

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 3>director cameo and acting can feel where it's like, oh,

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's like I'm the big important person

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 3>now here. I'm ego crashing into the scene and taking

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 3>it over. He feels very in service of the scene.

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 3>He feels it's one of those performances where it feels

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 3>like he is just trying to do what Corrosawa wants

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 3>of him and is telling him to do.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Martin Scorsese occasionally does these little acting but sometimes

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>playing a fictional version of himself, sometimes playing a fictional

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 2>a different character. But he's generally pretty good. Sometimes it's

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>certainly a little broader in his performance, but yeah, that's

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a good point is he does seem to be essentially

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to play Vincent van Go here, and I was

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>also thinking this is also perfect like dream logic, you know,

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>like I had a dream last night and I was

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>having a conversation with Vincent van Go, but he was

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 2>also somehow Martin Scorsese at the same time. Yes, that's

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of the vibe here. Another fun little cameo, I

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>guess would say in that particular segment, the woman in

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.439
<v Speaker 2>the fields that the dreamer initially interacts with before being

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 2>sent in the direction of Vincent van Go is played

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>by Catherine Cadau. Kursaw was longtime personal translator and director

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 2>of that twenty eleven documentary Charsawa's Way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. Interesting, So she's the one washing washing in the

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 3>river who tells him that tells him to stay away

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 3>from van Go because he's a madman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, I just came out of the asylum. Yeah. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then getting to the music, the music here is

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<v Speaker 2>of course terrific, and the composer credited is Shinichiro Akibi

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>born nineteen forty three, Japanese composer whose film work includes

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Chris always Keji Musha Rhapsody in August and Madeo. His

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>other scores include TV's Future Boy Conan from nineteen seventy

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 2>eight that was an early directorial effort from Hayo Miyazaki,

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and two thousand and seven's Glory to the Filmmaker. He

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 2>won the Japanese Academy Award for composing multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in addition to some original compositions, this movie

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.439
<v Speaker 3>does also feature some classical compositions. Like I think there's

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 3>some Chapan in it and stuff. But yes, the music

0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 3>is wonderful special. Oh, it's wonderful throughout, especially thinking of

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>the mysterious music in the very first segment.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Also, I love the funeral procession music at the end.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, yes, I'm not sure at different points

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in the film whether we're looking at the composed score

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>or needle drop score, but at any rate, it's all

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>really good.

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:21.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, I also want to note that if you start

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>looking at the special effects credits on this film, you'll

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>notice a lot of Western names via those connections that

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Kurosawa had with George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. Its industrial

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 2>light and magic handling the special effects on this, you know,

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise Japanese production. Apparently they did this at cost, though

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I have to say watching the picture, I mean, it's

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>not like you really notice. It's not like ILM came

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>in and made all the Fox people look like wookies

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>or anything. I don't know. It's like the effects are

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess, really good and often invisible.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 3>They're very organic. Yeah. Yeah, the effects feel almost humble

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 3>in a way. Does that make sense, not flashy, just

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 3>kind of manifesting. I don't know.

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There is some behind the scenes footage on the

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Criterion collection just showing Carosawa directing the scenes where we

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have the makeup effects for the Fox people as well

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>as the hornet demons, and you know, he's he seems

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to be like, you know, sort of tweaking things a

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and in the case of the demons, saying like,

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>let's tone it down a little bit, like essentially they

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>look too much like monsters. We want we want the

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 2>viewers to understand that these are humans. So I get

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>the impression that carasaw will, maybe even's head of them,

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.839
<v Speaker 2>scale back a little bit on things, because you know,

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>often I think it's the case in this picture that

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 2>otherworldly beings they do have a kind of like stage presence,

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Like they certainly come off like human beings in makeup,

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 2>and there's not there. There doesn't seem to be an

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>overt attempt to portray them as overtly otherworldly beings, Like

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 2>there's a humanity to them that I guess is essential here.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's right. Should we jump into the plot.

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it?

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay? So, as I mentioned, there are these eight segments.

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.399
<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about some of them, I think,

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 3>in more detail than others. I wanted to start off

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 3>talking about the first one. I love all the segments

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>in this movie, but the very first one is probably

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>my favorite. So I want to kind of look at

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 3>it in some detail. And this is the one called

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 3>Sunshine through the Rain. So it begins with a young

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 3>boy coming out the front door of his house looking

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 3>like he wants to go play outside. But just as

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 3>he is heading out, it starts to rain. And I

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know, somehow that beginning in itself, even before we

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 3>really are thinking of this as a dream, that's so

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 3>evocative of childchildhood, you know, the feeling of wanting to

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 3>go outside and play and it starts raining, Or at

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 3>least it was for me. I don't know that that

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 3>feels like such a familiar and cutting kind of frustration.

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 3>So the boy, he's come out the door of his house,

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 3>but he stands under an archway in the gate that

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 3>goes around the outside of the home, and he's watching

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the rain come down, and it is a sunshower, so

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 3>the sun is shining even though there is precipitation. And

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.800
<v Speaker 3>then from the background, we see the boy's mother emerge

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 3>from the house and she hurries out into the courtyard

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 3>to gather some baskets of something. I think maybe she

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.959
<v Speaker 3>was drying some kind of food items in the sun

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 3>or something. And she's pulling the baskets inside, and she

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 3>calls out to the boy and she says, you're staying home.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 3>The sun is shining, but it's raining. Foxes hold their

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 3>wedding processions in this weather and they don't like anyone

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 3>to see them. If you do, they'll be very angry.

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.800
<v Speaker 3>And she runs back inside. So actually, maybe here should

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 3>we do a little sidebar on the folklore of the

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Kitsuni no yumeiri. This is the fox's wedding.

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Katsuni we've discussed on the show before. We're

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about fox spirits In Japanese traditions, so yo kai

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 2>with supernatural abilities often depicted as tricksters, though in this

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>case not so much tricksters and more in line with

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.440
<v Speaker 2>sort of global traditions of like fairy folk of the

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 2>unseen world who are out there going through their rights

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and observations, and sometimes humans can see into their world,

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>but perhaps at their peril.

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 3>So he's received this warning, but the young boy, he

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 3>is maybe not deterred. He looks out at the downpour.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 3>He stands there and stares for a bit, and then

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 3>he wanders off into the forest.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean mom's warning here was kind of asking

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>for it, like, don't go outside now because there are

0:43:58.280 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 2>fox spirits out there.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 3>You might see something amazing. Yeah, And I love the

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 3>scene in the forest here. So the forest is eerie

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.840
<v Speaker 3>and just pulsing with magic. So the trees are enormous.

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 3>We don't see really the tops of the trees. We

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 3>just see these column like trunks, and the ground is

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 3>covered in sprouting plants with long green leaves that come

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 3>up to the boy's waist, and we can see sheets

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:33.760
<v Speaker 3>of rain and mist are billowing sideways through the gaps

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 3>between the trees, and then you can also see individual

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.800
<v Speaker 3>shafts of sunlight crossing down through holes in the canopy,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 3>and all this together makes the air appear to have

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 3>a kind of silky, shimmering texture. It's so beautiful and

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 3>it looks like a place absolutely where magic happens. And

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 3>as we watch the scene, there is just this mounting

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>sense of the strange and unreal. For example, one thing,

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 3>you see a close up of the boy who is

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>he's walking silently through the woods. He's looking around, not

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 3>saying anything, and I noticed he's dry. It's raining, but

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:14.359
<v Speaker 3>he's not wet. There's no music, no talking, just this

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 3>kind of soft skittering sound of rain on the leaves,

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 3>and the boy just keeps looking around, wide eyed, like

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.959
<v Speaker 3>he is expecting to see something. And then he does

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 3>see something. There's a bank of white mist, and through

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 3>it he sees the outline of a shrine carved in stone.

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 3>And then slowly music begins. We hear drums and a

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 3>wood block and a flute playing a slow, mysterious melody.

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.880
<v Speaker 3>The rhythm on the drums in the woodblocks is also

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 3>kind of slow and stuttering, and over the background of

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 3>this music, the boy watches a procession of figures slowly

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 3>marching out of the fog. They are human dancer in

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 3>fox makeup rob as you were saying there, they're distinctly

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 3>human in forms, so they didn't try to make them

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 3>quadrupedal or anything. They're standing upright basically human, but their

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 3>faces are painted a rosy white color, with red fur

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 3>over their noses and cheeks, and they have whiskers. The

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 3>women are wearing veils over their heads, and the men

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 3>wear a sort of disc shaped hat. The first two

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 3>men in the procession are carrying these cylindrical objects. I'm

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 3>not sure what these are, but they might be some

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 3>form of paper lantern. I know that fox wedding processions

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 3>in folklore are sometimes said to be carrying paper lanterns

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 3>like you can see them as dancing lights.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's what this is supposed to be.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 3>And their style of dancing is so interesting and evocative.

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 3>There are these slow, almost glacial movements as they march along,

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 3>and then sudden moves where they bend and twist and

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 3>assume a pose, all looking in the same direction. I

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 3>think this is supposed to evoke when a wild animal

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 3>senses your presence or gets spooked and then suddenly like

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>flinches and freezes looking at you. Did you take the

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 3>same thing from it?

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Rob, That's a good point, you know. I don't think

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 2>I've literally put that together when I was watching it,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's a great read. I will note

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that this is definitely one of the many sequences in

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the picture that feels like it could possibly go on

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 2>forever in a good way, in that dream sense where

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 2>it's like this is this is happening, and and you're

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.240
<v Speaker 2>just in it. You know, who knows if the dream

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.319
<v Speaker 2>is going to is going to continue on to some

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 2>point of emotional upwelling, though of course it will in

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>this case.

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Lost time, very little consciousness of past or future. You're

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 3>just you're just stuck in this moment. And the boy

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 3>is watching this procession from behind a tree. He's very cautious.

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 3>He's trying to hide, and the dancers keep stopping and

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.240
<v Speaker 3>suddenly looking in his direction, but at first he stays

0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 3>hidden until the last time they stop and sudden he's caught.

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 3>They all turn and look at him, and the boy

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:04.959
<v Speaker 3>panics and runs away back home.

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>This is not played for horror or anything but and

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 2>again the makeup is is subtle, and it's definitely holding back,

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 2>but it is a frightening sequence in its own way,

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Like that, you know, the child has seen into a

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>world he should not bear witness too, and they have

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.479
<v Speaker 2>looked back and seen him as well.

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 3>But when he gets home, the danger is not over.

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually that you might think, Okay, he's escaped, he's back

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 3>home now. When he gets back to the house, he

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 3>finds his mother waiting for him at the front gate,

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.439
<v Speaker 3>and she's looking very stern, and he approaches her kind

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 3>of bashfully, like he knows he's done something wrong. But

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 3>she does not comfort him. Her face is very stiff

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 3>and her expression is cold, and she says, you saw it,

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't you. You saw something you shouldn't have. I can't

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>have such a child in my house. And angry fox

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 3>came looking for you. He left this, And then from

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:10.359
<v Speaker 3>a pouch in her sleeve, the mother produces a tonto knife.

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.239
<v Speaker 3>The boy takes it and he pulls the knife from

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.760
<v Speaker 3>the sheath and the mother says, you're to a tone

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 3>by cutting your belly open. And I was like, WHOA.

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 3>That hits hard because this is a little child. This

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 3>is not like a you know, not even like an

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 3>like the little kid, and it hits hard. But this

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:35.760
<v Speaker 3>to me felt so real as a child's dream turning

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 3>into a nightmare. It is so much more unacceptably threatening

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:45.879
<v Speaker 3>and dangerous than adults like to imagine children's dreams are.

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.360
<v Speaker 3>But this is, I mean, this is what I remember

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 3>children's dreams being like that. There's a way that the

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 3>child's mind is sort of uncensored. It is it like

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.959
<v Speaker 3>it goes to much more bold and horrible and frightening place,

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 3>says than adults want a child's mind to go to.

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 3>And this felt like a real dream in multiple ways,

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 3>with like the you know, the threat that you have

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 3>to cut your own belly open, but also in the

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 3>in the way that the mother is not comforting, like

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>he's done something bad and the mother has become alien

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and threatening to him.

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But then here in the dream, the mother offers

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 3>an alternative. She says, she says, go quickly and ask

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 3>their forgiveness. Give that back to them, talking about the knife,

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 3>give that back to them, and beg for your life

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 3>on your knees. And then the mother literally turns her

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 3>back on the boy. She turns her back on him

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 3>and goes inside and starts to close the gate in

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 3>her son's face. And as she's closing the doors of

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 3>the gate, she says, they rarely forgive even trivial things.

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 3>You must go prepared to die for your sin. And

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<v Speaker 3>then as the gate is almost nearly shut all the way,

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 3>she says that until they forgive him, she can't let

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 3>him back in. And then finally the boy speaks. He

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 3>pleads that he doesn't know where their home is, but

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 3>the mother says, of course you do. Their home is

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 3>beneath the rainbow. And so now we and the gate shuts,

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 3>and so, now afraid and alone, the boy sets out

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 3>again into the woods with the deadly knife in his hands,

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 3>and eventually he comes to a clearing and it's a

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 3>meadow full of flowers. It's just huge mass of flowers,

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 3>millions of flowers, all in bloom in spring colors yellow, white, pink,

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and violet, and this mysterious music swells and then we

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 3>can see the boy from behind. This is probably the

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 3>most iconic shot from the film. The boy is now

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 3>entering a narrow valley framed by dark mountains, and in

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 3>the middle ground there there's the meadow of the spring flowers,

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 3>and a rainbow bends over the field. And this has

0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:57.760
<v Speaker 3>got to be the most beautiful and certainly the most

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 3>frightening use of a rainbow in a film that I

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.759
<v Speaker 3>can think of, because it's a rainbow that's obviously not

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 3>just a disconnected vision that is pretty to look at,

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 3>as rainbows are often in movies. This is a place,

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 3>and it is the spectral castle of the vengeful Fox Spirits.

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.720
<v Speaker 3>And the boy stands there facing the rainbow. He's clutching

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 3>the knife. He is amazed and afraid, and he begins

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.839
<v Speaker 3>again to walk to its center, and the music is

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:28.440
<v Speaker 3>swelling up with these ominous notes on the woodwinds and

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 3>then fade to black. Yeah, and that's the end, So

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 3>we never see him face the fox Spirits. In the

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 3>true essence of a dream, these vignettes often begin in

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.319
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the action, or begin with a kind

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 3>of unexplained arrival, and they often stop right in the

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 3>middle of the story as well, usually right as the

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:49.800
<v Speaker 3>tension is kind of rising to its peak.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's the way it often is in dreams.

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.799
<v Speaker 2>How how many times have any of you ever had

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a dream that finished had a third act you know,

0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:00.279
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I guess that's the case, but generally it's like

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>things kind of peter out or shift. And yeah, I agree,

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>very strong opening segment here. I agree on the danger

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:10.959
<v Speaker 2>and seriousness of children's dreams displayed here, and it seems

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>a fitting way too, to look at the way that

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 2>children are you eventually thrust, maybe without warning, into you know,

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 2>out of their lives of protected curiosity and into a

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 2>more serious world of reality. Though of course in this

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 2>case it's it's it's not quite reality. It's a supernatural threat.

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>But still it's like his world of just sort of

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>play and curiosity has suddenly taken this sharp turn into

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a into threatening confines.

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree with all that, and I just love

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 3>so many things about this opening. The way it captures

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 3>this authentic feeling of a child's imagination and dream world,

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 3>the way that there is a thin line between beauty

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 3>and amazement and absolute horror, and that the way the

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.360
<v Speaker 3>story can just shift back and forth between the or

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of capture them both at the same time, especially

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:04.320
<v Speaker 3>with the image of the rainbow.

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, And again you have such an ominous use

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:14.320
<v Speaker 2>of the rainbow here, This rainbow gait to a certain

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 2>degree of more adult world.

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, do you want to look at the peach orchard?

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:21.520
<v Speaker 3>The next one in order. So this one also begins

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 3>with a young boy in a house a little bit

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 3>older than the boy in the previous dream, and it

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 3>starts with him taking a tray of cakes to his

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 3>big sister and her friends. And this episode takes place

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:37.919
<v Speaker 3>on Hina Matsuri or Doll's Day, also known as Girls' Day.

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know anything about this beforehand, so I had

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 3>to look it up. But this is a festival celebrated

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 3>at the transition from winter to spring. I think these

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 3>days it's often on March third, where families pray for

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 3>the well being of their daughters. It's sort of a

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 3>health and well being of our Daughter's Day. And the

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 3>festival includes the display of dolls known as Hena Nino

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:03.000
<v Speaker 3>or Hena doll, which are styled after the imperial court

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 3>of the Hayan period. So the protagonist, the boy, he

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.879
<v Speaker 3>brings a tray of goodies to his older sister who

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.359
<v Speaker 3>is with her friends, and they're in a room with

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 3>a tiered display of Hena dolls in the background, and

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.520
<v Speaker 3>the boy stops to look at the dolls and there's

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of a strangeness, a music sting that indicates something

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 3>is a little striking or unusual. And then he realizes

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 3>that he brought more food to his sister and her

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 3>friends than is needed. He thought that she had five

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 3>friends with her, but there are only four friends there now,

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and he insists that he saw another girl with them earlier,

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 3>but the sister tells him no, there are no other

0:55:39.960 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 3>girls here. He is being strange. But then he sees

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 3>the girl again. The other girl is dressed in pink

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:49.360
<v Speaker 3>and white, and she's watching him from the hallway, but

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 3>she disappears when he tries to get his sister to

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 3>look and see the.

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Other girl is already a little creepy.

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yes, So he follows the girl in pink out

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 3>through the back door, out into the bamboo forest, all

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:06.479
<v Speaker 3>the way to a green hillside with tiered terraces, much

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 3>like the tiered display with the Hena dolls in the house,

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 3>and the hill is covered in soft grass, and when

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 3>he arrives at the hillside, he's sort of ambushed by

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 3>a mass of people. They all come running out on

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 3>the terraces and they are dressed up like the Hena dolls,

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 3>but in life size, and I think there's sort of

0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 3>an Emperor doll Man, the leader of them all. He

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 3>addresses the boy sternly, and he says that they will

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 3>never return to his house again because his family cut

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.479
<v Speaker 3>down the peach orchard that used to be on this hill.

0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 3>And he explains that they are the spirits of the

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:43.840
<v Speaker 3>peach trees, which are celebrated on the Dolls Day festival.

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 3>And there seems to be kind of an implication that

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 3>because of the family's treachery, they will also withhold their

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 3>blessings from the family, and the boy begins to cry,

0:56:56.640 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 3>and the Emperor yells at him. He tells him it's

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 3>too late for tears. But then the Queen Doll remembers something.

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.759
<v Speaker 3>She says, this is the same boy who cried for

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 3>the trees when they were being cut down. They say

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 3>they remember he even pleaded with his family not to

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 3>do it, not to cut down the orchard, and the

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Emperor at first he scoffs at this. He says that

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 3>was only because the boy knew he would stop getting

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 3>peaches to eat, and all of the members of the

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 3>court laugh at him, but the boy protests. He says no,

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 3>He says you can buy peaches at the store, but

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 3>where can you buy a whole orchard of trees in bloom.

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>He says he was crying because he loved the trees

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 3>at themselves as living things, and then he starts to

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 3>cry again. And then the doll people seem sort of ashamed.

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 3>You can see them sort of looking at their feet

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 3>and hanging their heads. And the emperor accepts the boy's explanation.

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 3>He says he's a good boy and that he will

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>be allowed to see the orchard in bloom one last time.

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 3>And then there's a dance with all of the figures

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 3>taking place on the terraces, and they perform these choreographed

0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 3>movements to symbolize the flowering of the trees. And then

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the dance, the boy sees the

0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 3>peach trees blossoming again, and there are petals falling everywhere.

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 3>He also sees the girl in pink, and he tries

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 3>to run after her, but suddenly he's back in the

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 3>real world and all the trees are chopped down. Now

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 3>they're just bare stumps, all except one. There's one tree

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 3>that has a limb covered in flowers, kind of bouncing

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.160
<v Speaker 3>in the wind. And he goes over to it and

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 3>he looks at it, and the end, what was going

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 3>to happen next we don't get to see.

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.240
<v Speaker 2>This is also a strong segment. I mean, like they're

0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 2>all strong. It's not like there's a week one in

0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the bunch. This one maybe hit me. I think is

0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 2>weirder just because I wasn't familiar with the traditions, and

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 2>also I think my fever might have been spiking a

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 2>little bit during the sequence as well. But yeah, I

0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 2>also really loved this one. Similar in some ways in

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:57.600
<v Speaker 2>theme to the first Sega segment.

0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I thought this one was interesting because the Peach spirits

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 3>themselves seem to abide by a kind of child's internal logic.

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 3>The way that they think that he's actually a good

0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 3>boy because he cried because of the trees themselves and

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:17.240
<v Speaker 3>not because of just wanting to eat peaches. I don't know.

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 3>That just feels like such a like a kid's way

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 3>of thinking about this thing. Yeah, all right. The next

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 3>segment is the Blizzard. I think we can be a

0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 3>little bit more cursory and talking about this one. Basically,

0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 3>it is four mountain climbers who are going up this mountain.

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.439
<v Speaker 3>They get hit by this blizzard. They're struggling in the snow.

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 3>We see for a long time just them fighting against

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 3>the wind and the snow, trying to make their way

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 3>up hill but it is and they're trying to make

0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the way to camp, but they can't see which way

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.520
<v Speaker 3>they're going. There's disagreement about whether they're on the right track,

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and eventually they begin to sort of get snowed in.

0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 3>They succumb to the snow and they're being covered up

1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and they're freezing, and they sort of settle down, and

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.920
<v Speaker 3>there's the implication that if they do this and they

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 3>don't reach camp, they're going to die. And then we

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:11.480
<v Speaker 3>see things from the perspective of the lead climber. It's

1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:13.000
<v Speaker 3>sort of the leader of all of them, who's been

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 3>trying to rally his friends to keep going. We see

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 3>a figure begins to sort of put blankets over him,

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:24.400
<v Speaker 3>these shimmering blankets and shawls that go over his body

1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:28.959
<v Speaker 3>like layers of snow. And this is from what I've read,

1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.720
<v Speaker 3>this is supposed to be a traditional figure from Japanese

1:00:31.760 --> 1:00:34.760
<v Speaker 3>folklore known as the yuki onna, which might be like

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 3>the snow princess or snow fairy, snow witch, something like that,

1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 3>the snow spirit, who I think is often threatening in

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:45.880
<v Speaker 3>nature and here or she's ambiguous at first, but then

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I think by the end we can learn as definitely

1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 3>a threatening figure.

1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my understanding is that it does kind of vary. So.

1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yuki Ona is a pretty famous yokai, generally regarded as

1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:04.440
<v Speaker 2>a yo kai because she's often more of a personification

1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:08.200
<v Speaker 2>of the snow or of blizzards, though some tellings depict

1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:10.480
<v Speaker 2>her as more of a yuri or a ghost that

1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:13.440
<v Speaker 2>of a woman who died in the snow. As Heroko,

1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yoda and Matt All discussed in the book Yokai Attack.

1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.840
<v Speaker 2>There as many different versions of this tale, as there

1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.120
<v Speaker 2>are mountains in Japan. The tale of the Yukiyono was

1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:26.439
<v Speaker 2>famously adapted in the nineteen sixty five film Kaitan, which

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>we might come back to. The core stories involve her

1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:34.200
<v Speaker 2>sparing a handsome young man during a blizzard like after

1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>like brutally killing his compatriots with winter powers, but then

1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:43.480
<v Speaker 2>sparing him on the condition that he never tell anyone

1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:47.000
<v Speaker 2>about this, and so the young man survives, and then,

1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:49.000
<v Speaker 2>as luck would have it, he meets a beautiful young

1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:51.400
<v Speaker 2>woman the next day. The two fall in love, they're married,

1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:54.720
<v Speaker 2>they eventually have children, and yet the whole time, this

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.120
<v Speaker 2>need to tell the story of the woman in the

1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:01.440
<v Speaker 2>snow steadily builds up inside him, till one day he

1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:05.320
<v Speaker 2>breaks and he tells his wife about what happened in

1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the snow that day. And I don't want to spoil anything,

1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:13.280
<v Speaker 2>because it's pretty pretty amazing, but essentially we see the

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:16.880
<v Speaker 2>ramifications of him breaking his promise to the YUKIONO.

1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, the Yukiona in this segment is is quite scary,

1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:26.320
<v Speaker 3>and eventually though the climber does sort of overcome her influence.

1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:28.440
<v Speaker 3>She's sort of lulling him to sleep in the snow,

1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:32.560
<v Speaker 3>and there's one moment when she is sort of defeated

1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:36.280
<v Speaker 3>or blown away. She turns into some kind of white cloth.

1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:39.520
<v Speaker 3>It's like a white piece of clothing or flag or something,

1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:43.560
<v Speaker 3>and just like blows away in the wind. But then

1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.160
<v Speaker 3>the man wakes up after the blizzard is gone, and

1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:49.560
<v Speaker 3>he sort of tries to he revives his compatriots. I

1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:53.120
<v Speaker 3>think they're all still alive, and he sort of shakes them,

1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:54.760
<v Speaker 3>tries to get them to wake up, and then they

1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:57.320
<v Speaker 3>realize their camp is like right there, they're right beside

1:02:57.360 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 3>it and they didn't know because of the storm. A

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of reviewers flag this, I at least from what

1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.640
<v Speaker 3>I've seen online, as their least favorite segment. I think

1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:10.280
<v Speaker 3>primarily because of how slow and monotonous parts of it are.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is very dreamlike in that respect, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>the first half of them just fighting through the snow

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<v Speaker 3>and the wind is blowing. But I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>like this segment, and I really like the part where

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<v Speaker 3>the snow witch speaks. You know, when the snow witch

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<v Speaker 3>comes up over him while he's lying down. She's putting

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<v Speaker 3>the shawls over him, and there's some kind of modulation

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<v Speaker 3>on her voice, like it's doubled or something, so it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds very strange. And you hear her saying, the snow

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<v Speaker 3>is warm. It's so frightening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. And my understanding is that that this it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like the general vibes of the Yukiona. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a take on hypothermia and the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>like giving in to death in the cold snow zihia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty creepy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>The snow is warm. Okay. Next segment is the tunnel.

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<v Speaker 3>As we explained, this one begins with a military officer

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<v Speaker 3>walking by himself on an empty road that cuts through

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<v Speaker 3>the mountains, we somehow understand I think that he is

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<v Speaker 3>coming home from war. I would guess by his uniform

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<v Speaker 3>that it's World War two, And he seems weary and

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<v Speaker 3>beaten down, but he's still kind of clutching a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of formal dignity, has a kind of headheld high aspect

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<v Speaker 3>that some of the other characters and protagonists here wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily have. And as he comes up the road, he

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<v Speaker 3>faces the entrance to a tunnel. It's hard to say

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<v Speaker 3>exactly why, but there is something really just cursed and

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<v Speaker 3>ominous about this tunnel. I don't think it's a set

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<v Speaker 3>made for the film. It looks like it's probably just

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<v Speaker 3>a real concrete tunnel somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what a location. It's amazing, like just again,

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<v Speaker 2>so ominous, and you know, it reads on so many levels,

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<v Speaker 2>like like what is this? Is it a gateway to

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<v Speaker 2>the underworld? It is nothing else, literally a gateway through

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<v Speaker 2>the mountain. Yeah, so many ways to take it apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't go in there. But then from inside he hears

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<v Speaker 3>howling and whimpering, the sounds of a dog, and then

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<v Speaker 3>a dog runs out of the tunnel, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>from what I've read, supposed to be an anti tank dog.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is a dog strapped with timed explosives, which

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<v Speaker 3>was explored and then there were many of these trained

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<v Speaker 3>as a weapon by multiple armies in World War Two.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure how much they were actually used in combat,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were at least trained. So in this case,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a dog with a kind of saddle on

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<v Speaker 3>its back, covered in pockets, and the pockets are stuffed

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<v Speaker 3>with grenades. It is a bleak and horrifying image.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and certainly fits with some of the themes explored

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<v Speaker 2>in the picture about humanity's relationship to nature. Here a

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<v Speaker 2>great example of nature being twisted beyond mere domestication into

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<v Speaker 2>actual weaponization. Pretty horrific.

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<v Speaker 3>So the dog approaches the officer and snarls at him,

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<v Speaker 3>but does not attack, and then the officer walks on

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<v Speaker 3>into the tunnnnel, which is cavernous and echoing. We see

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<v Speaker 3>these tracking, these moving shots going through the tunnel, just

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<v Speaker 3>looking up at the ceiling of the tunnel as kind

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<v Speaker 3>of light plays on it as he's walking along, and

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<v Speaker 3>we can see the officer's breath, we hear his boots

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<v Speaker 3>kind of clapping and reverberating as he makes his way

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<v Speaker 3>down to the other end, and then we see at

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<v Speaker 3>the emerging side of the tunnel the sky is dark

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<v Speaker 3>blue and illuminated by a red lamp, which I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting. Kind of reminds me of that Charles Dickens

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<v Speaker 3>ghost story we talked about last October, the signalman with

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<v Speaker 3>the ghost or the premonition appearing by the red light

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the rail tunnel. And so after

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<v Speaker 3>the commander comes out the other end of the passage,

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<v Speaker 3>he stops because he hears steps behind him. Who's that

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<v Speaker 3>He turns around to see and it is a ghost.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a soldier in combat uniform with rifle and

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<v Speaker 3>helmet and his skin painted blue blue fleshed being who

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<v Speaker 3>should not be and the commander recognizes him. This is

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<v Speaker 3>someone known to the protagonist. This is Private Naguchi, but

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<v Speaker 3>Private Naguchi was killed in action and Noguchi is confused.

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<v Speaker 3>He believes maybe he is still alive. He remembers going

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<v Speaker 3>home after the war and being given rice cakes by

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<v Speaker 3>his mother, remembers being comforted by his mother, but the

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<v Speaker 3>commander has to explain to him, no, that was a

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<v Speaker 3>dream you had. This is a dream about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the dreams of others. That was a dream you had.

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<v Speaker 3>You were shot in battle and you passed out, and

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<v Speaker 3>you woke up, and you told me you had that

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<v Speaker 3>dream where you went home and saw your mother and

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<v Speaker 3>she gave you rice cakes. Then you died in my

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<v Speaker 3>arms a few minutes later, and Noguchi is so confused.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he points out a light in the mountains beyond

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<v Speaker 3>and he says, that's that's my parents' home, that house

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<v Speaker 3>right there where the light is. But the commander argues

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<v Speaker 3>with him. He tells him that he has to act up,

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<v Speaker 3>that he is dead and he has to go to

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<v Speaker 3>his rest, and he eventually the ghost seems to give in.

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<v Speaker 3>He turns about face and he walks back into the tunnel.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not over because then here comes everyone, the

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<v Speaker 3>entire company who served under this commander, and they come

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<v Speaker 3>marching out of the tunnel. Information they're you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>like calling out drill instructions. They call him marching and

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<v Speaker 3>they stand in order in front of him. And here

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<v Speaker 3>there's a confrontation where ultimately the commander has to accept

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<v Speaker 3>his responsibility for their death in battle, where he says

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<v Speaker 3>he would like to blame the stupidity of war for

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<v Speaker 3>the deaths of his men, but he knows in his

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<v Speaker 3>heart that he bears personal responsibility for sending them into

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<v Speaker 3>certain doom because it was it was a feudal attempt,

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<v Speaker 3>but he sent them into battle anyway. And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like this moment highlights a theme that I think appears

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<v Speaker 3>in multiple segments of this movie, which is the theme

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<v Speaker 3>of individual responsibility versus a kind of collective blame or stupidity. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's a theme of the inadequacy of placing blame

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<v Speaker 3>for tragedies on abstract, impersonal forces or diffuse collectives. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's the case here, But then the same thing happens

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<v Speaker 3>in the next segment in Mount Fujian Red where or

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<v Speaker 3>actually two segments later, where there's like a bureaucratic man

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<v Speaker 3>in a suit and glasses who kind of contrasts a

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<v Speaker 3>force of impersonal stupidity and arrogance that allowed the nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>meltdown in that segment to occur. But then he acknowledges

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<v Speaker 3>that he is personally to blame somehow, though he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>explain how. And this seems to be something that's on

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<v Speaker 3>the dreamer's mind. It's one of these themes that comes

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<v Speaker 3>up in multiple cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I want to also flag he hear that

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<v Speaker 2>the makeup for the soldiers the ghosts here is really

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<v Speaker 2>really well done. It is it is again you get

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of Corosawa pulling back from anything too monstrous,

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<v Speaker 2>like these are not like, this is not zombie makeup

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<v Speaker 2>or what you might think of a zombie makeup. It

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<v Speaker 2>really but it's also not like straight up kobuki makeup either.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like somewhere in this perfect place between

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<v Speaker 2>kabuki makeup and like just a corpse like.

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<v Speaker 3>Pallor Yeah, the blueness of their makeup is so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a color choice. It doesn't exactly suggest rot. It

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<v Speaker 3>suggests a kind of changedness and like become a different

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<v Speaker 3>kind of being. Yeah, but anyway, so the commander accepts

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<v Speaker 3>his responsibility and he orders his men to turn about

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<v Speaker 3>face and to march back into the tunnel, to essentially

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<v Speaker 3>accept their destruction and go into death, go into their rest.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you might think the encounter is over, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is another escalation because we get the return of

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<v Speaker 3>the dog. So the anti tank dog runs back out

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<v Speaker 3>again and begins it starts snarling and menacing the officer,

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<v Speaker 3>and once again it just ends at this moment of

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<v Speaker 3>heightened menace where we don't know how it resolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Great segment though, really everyone in it is stellar, just

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean everything about it, the way it's framed,

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<v Speaker 2>the costuming, the location they use, just everything lines up

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<v Speaker 2>on this one for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>The next segment is Crows. This is the one that

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<v Speaker 3>has the paintings of Vincent veng Go. So it begins

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<v Speaker 3>with the Khorsaur protagonist in a museum looking at Vengo's paintings.

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<v Speaker 3>He's looking at starry Night and one of his self portraits.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he experiences a little Stendel syndrome and just walks

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<v Speaker 2>right into that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes into the paintings. I think the first one

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<v Speaker 3>he enters is so Vengo did a number of paintings

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<v Speaker 3>of the bridge at Arla ar l e s if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that right, Arla's or Arla, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>the specific one that he appears in is the Langlowy

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<v Speaker 3>Bridge at Arla with women washing. So that's a painting

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<v Speaker 3>you can look up if you want. It shows like

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<v Speaker 3>a bridge with a sort of you know, drawbridge characteristic

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<v Speaker 3>that can be raised so boats can pass underneath. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a carriage, a horse drawn carriage on the wooden

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<v Speaker 3>part of the bridge, and then down in the foreground

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<v Speaker 3>there are women washing clothes in the river. And our

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<v Speaker 3>protagonist just sort of wanders into this scene and it's

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<v Speaker 3>reproduced in a spectacular way. I love the way that

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<v Speaker 3>the color qualities of the van Go paintings are recreated

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<v Speaker 3>in the sets and the lighting that Kusawa puts together here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, agreed, And I also like this is a nice

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<v Speaker 2>pivot from the more serious, or at least the more

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic vibes of the last segment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the protagonist here wants to meet ven Go and

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<v Speaker 3>he wanders around looking for him. He asks the locals

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<v Speaker 3>where he is. They say he's a madman. But he

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<v Speaker 3>finds van Go in a wheat field painting or observing

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<v Speaker 3>the wheat field and talking about painting. This a major

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<v Speaker 3>visual theme here is van Go's painting wheat field with crows,

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<v Speaker 3>which shows like, you know, these the tall staves of

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<v Speaker 3>wheed and then the crows flying up out of them

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<v Speaker 3>into a blue sky. The version we see a van

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<v Speaker 3>Go portrayed by Martin Scorsese, and this vignette seems to

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<v Speaker 3>resemble the figure, at least as I found in a

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<v Speaker 3>Vango painting called Painter on the Road to Tarasan or Terrascon. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure how to say that, but he's got

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<v Speaker 3>a you know, a wide straw hat and just a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff with him. You know, he's got all

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<v Speaker 3>his gear and his painting and a satchel and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>The VANGOI meet is very distracted, you know, he's never

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<v Speaker 3>really giving the protagonist his full attention. His attention is

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<v Speaker 3>on the scene and the landscape. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of idea of like, you know, what's really valuable here

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<v Speaker 3>is this scene and its beauty, and I must consume

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<v Speaker 3>it and process it and turn it into something and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what that's what matters. And I'm sort of halfway

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<v Speaker 3>giving you enough attention to talk to you, but only

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<v Speaker 3>about what I I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing, doesn't he This is the part we have a

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<v Speaker 2>line where old Marty van Go says, well, why aren't

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<v Speaker 2>you painting? Like you got your stuff? Like what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing out here? Like this is this is why

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<v Speaker 2>we're here, This is the reason we exist. Get to paint?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you talking to me? Why aren't you painting? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a nice little, uh, gentle self criticism

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<v Speaker 3>here from Corsawa. You know that apparently Corsawa was personally

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<v Speaker 3>very interested in Vango, like he had read a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of his letters and stuff and was interested in the

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<v Speaker 3>man's life as well as to his work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again makes sense given Chrisau was an early

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<v Speaker 2>interest and in a career as a painter before pivoting

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<v Speaker 2>to a film.

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<v Speaker 3>Next couple of segments, Mount Fujian Read and The Weeping Demon,

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<v Speaker 3>or sort of the nuclear horror segments. So Mount Fujian Read.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, the protagonist just finds himself in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of a disaster scene. I think when we first

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<v Speaker 3>see him, everybody else is running in one direction and

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<v Speaker 3>he's walking in the opposite direction. He's like the only one.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going against the flow of the crowd, and he

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<v Speaker 3>sees Mount Fuji just it looks like hot lava. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, glowing hot, and there are these explosions,

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<v Speaker 3>and he learns that it's due to a nuclear meltdown.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we talked about, they have these discussions. A

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<v Speaker 3>man in a suit appears and he kind of explains things.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this long digression about the different colored like the

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<v Speaker 3>different colors of fog and what radioactive isotopes they represent,

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<v Speaker 3>and how each one kills you in different ways, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, well, we color coded them so you can

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<v Speaker 3>know which type of fog is killing you, but it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't help you survive. It seems to be some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of commentary on like the absurdity of like false senses

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<v Speaker 3>of security provided by technology and that there are these,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, threats that people just kind of rush into

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<v Speaker 3>and we're given false assurance that it's going to be okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but in fact that that was all you know, that

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<v Speaker 3>was all just rosy talk, and in fact this is

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<v Speaker 3>real stupidity and people are really to blame for this disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot to unpack here with just

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<v Speaker 2>the symbolism of all of this. Because Mount Fuji, of

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<v Speaker 2>course is a dormant volcano. It's the tallest peak in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>I believes the last eruption was seventeen oh seven, But

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time it is very much a symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of Japan. And then on top of that we have

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<v Speaker 2>the like the dream logic here as well of the

1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:42.080
<v Speaker 2>mountain we learn is not actually erupting. It is nuclear

1:16:42.840 --> 1:16:47.120
<v Speaker 2>meltdowns happening like behind the mountain. But at the same

1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:50.479
<v Speaker 2>time everything has like the flavor of volcanic eruptions, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like both things at once without being either.

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<v Speaker 3>This one also has that horrifying sense of futility because

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<v Speaker 3>it ends with a really just gut wrenching scene with

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<v Speaker 3>there's like a woman with two children who have joined him,

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<v Speaker 3>and the protagonist is trying to protect them as like

1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.320
<v Speaker 3>the fog clouds billow toward them, and he's in this

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<v Speaker 3>utterly feudal gesture. He's like waving at the fog clouds

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<v Speaker 3>with his jacket, trying to fan them away. But there's

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<v Speaker 3>a sense that everyone is just doomed and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>anyone can do. Again, ends right at the height of

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<v Speaker 3>the action, and then goes on to the next segment,

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<v Speaker 3>another nuclear horror segment called The Weeping Demon, where our

1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:33.559
<v Speaker 3>protagonist is wandering in this volcanic landscape very much it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost like the slopes of Mount Fuji maybe, where there's

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of dark volcanic soil and all these rocks

1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:43.280
<v Speaker 3>and mist and fog billowing everywhere, and he encounters this

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<v Speaker 3>monstrous looking figure with a horn on his head, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think is initially styled to be some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of onny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely some onny vibes to this creature. I also

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<v Speaker 2>have to flag that I again am sick and I

1:17:59.600 --> 1:18:01.920
<v Speaker 2>had a few while watching this film. I think my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes shut for a second at the very end of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mount Fuji segment and then reopened during the Weeping Demon,

1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was one segment, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a similar vibe, like he's heading off

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<v Speaker 2>into the nuclear waste at the end of Mount Fuji

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<v Speaker 2>and now here we are in a different atomic wasteland.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then after this we get a long discourse

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<v Speaker 3>from the demon as he explains this hell they have created.

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<v Speaker 3>He sort of explains himself as a mutated product of radiation.

1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:38.080
<v Speaker 3>And then they sit under these tree sized dandelions that

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<v Speaker 3>are twisted and mutated by the radioactive fallout. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he talks about these different kinds of demons, these like

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<v Speaker 3>grades of demons. The demon with one horn is scary,

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<v Speaker 3>but the demons with one horn get eaten by the

1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:54.519
<v Speaker 3>demons who have two or three horns. And they're also hungry,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we see there's like a scene where the

1:18:57.640 --> 1:18:59.759
<v Speaker 3>demon is like, come, I'll show you, and he leads

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<v Speaker 3>the protagonists to this overlook where they look down at

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<v Speaker 3>these gross like pools of pink and red water, where

1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:08.800
<v Speaker 3>all of these demons are like running around them in

1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:13.120
<v Speaker 3>circles in a way that suggests representations from Dante's Inferno,

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<v Speaker 3>where you know, in hell you will have the damned

1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:18.519
<v Speaker 3>sort of like running in pointless circles around something.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and it uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like they're they're calling out, they're you know,

1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:27.519
<v Speaker 3>they're ready, they're gonna come eat them soon. But they're

1:19:27.560 --> 1:19:31.240
<v Speaker 3>in pain themselves. They're suffering. Their their horns cause them pain.

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<v Speaker 3>And we learned so many things. The demon explains he

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<v Speaker 3>was again there's this thing of like eyebear individual responsibility.

1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:43.400
<v Speaker 3>He explains, I was a farmer who destroyed my harvest

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<v Speaker 3>as part of a scheme to keep prices high. And

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<v Speaker 3>and but they talk about other people who did other

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<v Speaker 3>things who may have become even worse kinds of demons themselves.

1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:58.519
<v Speaker 3>And so another just bleak, horrifying segment that also ends

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<v Speaker 3>with the demon just menacing the Krusauur protagonist and the

1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:04.519
<v Speaker 3>protagonist is running away down the side of the mountain,

1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:07.920
<v Speaker 3>looking constantly like he's about to go headlong and tumble away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like he's berating him right, like, get out

1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:12.120
<v Speaker 2>of here. Do you want to become a demon too?

1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So this one was at once like as bleak as

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<v Speaker 2>the previous segment, but also since we had these monster

1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:25.480
<v Speaker 2>like beings, it also felt like a little more escapist.

1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:31.080
<v Speaker 2>So I was again, all of these segments are excellently

1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>put together, but in a way, this one felt like

1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:39.040
<v Speaker 2>a nice turn away from the seriousness of the previous

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Fuji sequence.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we get a very sharp turn into different

1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:48.439
<v Speaker 3>territory for the last sequence, which is the Village of

1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:52.639
<v Speaker 3>the Watermills. So our protagonist here the Dreamer, arrives by

1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:57.280
<v Speaker 3>foot in a small rural village beside a river. There

1:20:57.280 --> 1:20:59.960
<v Speaker 3>are these old wooden water wheels turning in the current,

1:21:00.000 --> 1:21:03.280
<v Speaker 3>and I guess they're running mills, and they're flowers blooming everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and kursaw, what really takes time to show us the

1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:10.160
<v Speaker 3>nature around there, to show us like green water plants

1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:12.600
<v Speaker 3>waving in the stream, kind of like hair blowing in

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<v Speaker 3>the wind. And the dreamer comes in and he watches

1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:19.479
<v Speaker 3>the children as they sort of gather on a little

1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:22.240
<v Speaker 3>island in the stream that's bridged, you know that they

1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.120
<v Speaker 3>reach by bridge and they pick flowers there, and they

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<v Speaker 3>take the flowers and they lay them all on a stone.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very just beautiful, kind of gentle scene. And

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<v Speaker 3>the dreamer meets an old man who's working on a

1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:38.160
<v Speaker 3>water wheel mechanism of some kind, and they have a

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<v Speaker 3>long conversation where the old man just kind of explains

1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:42.840
<v Speaker 3>his philosophy. They talk about all kinds of things. He

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<v Speaker 3>A big part of it is him talking about how

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<v Speaker 3>they don't need technology in this village. The man's like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't you have electricity here? And the man's like, we

1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:53.320
<v Speaker 3>don't need it and he's like, yeah, but what about

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<v Speaker 3>at night when it gets dark? And the guy's like,

1:21:55.600 --> 1:22:00.720
<v Speaker 3>night is supposed to be dark. And so the main

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<v Speaker 3>thrust of the old Man's philosophy is that people and

1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.559
<v Speaker 3>people in the cities think that labor saving technology will

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<v Speaker 3>make them happy, but secretly it just makes them more miserable,

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't realize it until they have already destroyed

1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:18.679
<v Speaker 3>the natural world and they can't get it back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this segment is great in so many ways, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's definitely another rumination on this idea of the

1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:35.400
<v Speaker 2>idyllic rural Japan versus modern urban Japan, something that you

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<v Speaker 2>see in multiple studio ghibli pictures. So if any of

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<v Speaker 2>you are certainly more familiar with the works of Miyazaki,

1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you've seen this kind of vibe. And I believe and

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<v Speaker 2>I would go as far as to say, like this

1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:50.479
<v Speaker 2>the sequence too, like it feels very much in line

1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:52.760
<v Speaker 2>with like a Miyazaki film too, and that we have

1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:56.559
<v Speaker 2>just such vibrant colors, like this is the world in

1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:59.160
<v Speaker 2>full bloom. This is like it is almost like an

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<v Speaker 2>Eden to some extent. And oh and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I should mention that that documentary Cursaw Was Way also

1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.519
<v Speaker 2>features interview segments with me asz Aki. He's one of

1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the many directors who talks about his admiration for Cursawa's work.

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<v Speaker 3>This segment absolutely has strong me az Aki vibes, yeah,

1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:22.479
<v Speaker 3>in that love for verdant nature and the environmentalist outlook

1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:25.200
<v Speaker 3>and all that sort of thing. And then also I

1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:28.440
<v Speaker 3>think in this next moment, because after this, the protagonist

1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:31.880
<v Speaker 3>hears what sounds like a celebration, He hears laughter and

1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:36.880
<v Speaker 3>shouting and happy music, and the old man explains to him, actually,

1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:40.040
<v Speaker 3>what he's hearing is a funeral. It's a good, happy funeral,

1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.679
<v Speaker 3>and this is another part of his philosophy. He says, well,

1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:46.400
<v Speaker 3>when someone dies young, it's sad, but when someone dies

1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:49.240
<v Speaker 3>in old age, it's a joyous occasion because they lived

1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:52.280
<v Speaker 3>a full life. So the people march and they sing

1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:55.400
<v Speaker 3>happy songs. And the woman who died in the funeral

1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.200
<v Speaker 3>that's being celebrated today was almost one hundred years old.

1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.320
<v Speaker 3>In fact, she was this old man's first love when

1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:03.800
<v Speaker 3>they were both very young. She broke his heart she

1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:06.120
<v Speaker 3>married another, and then he just laughs about it.

1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I love his laugh here.

1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's also The protagonist asks the old man about

1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:15.200
<v Speaker 3>the stone where the children laid the flowers, and the

1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:17.920
<v Speaker 3>man tells the story. He says that long ago a

1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:20.920
<v Speaker 3>traveler came to the village, much like our dreamer here,

1:24:21.400 --> 1:24:24.559
<v Speaker 3>but he arrived sick like he brought the sickness of

1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:27.840
<v Speaker 3>the modern world with him, and he collapsed and died

1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:30.679
<v Speaker 3>beside the river, and the people took pity on him

1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:33.160
<v Speaker 3>and they buried him right where he fell, and the

1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:36.360
<v Speaker 3>stone is his grave marker, and the children place flowers

1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:38.720
<v Speaker 3>on it. It's hard not to think about the man

1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:41.880
<v Speaker 3>who died as being kind of suggested as another version

1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:45.680
<v Speaker 3>of the visitor of the dreamer here and then from here,

1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the old man goes off to celebrate the death of

1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:51.000
<v Speaker 3>his first love, and the traveler watches the funeral march

1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:53.880
<v Speaker 3>and listens to the happy music, and he feels kind

1:24:53.880 --> 1:24:57.479
<v Speaker 3>of infused with the goodness and the happiness of this place,

1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.639
<v Speaker 3>and we hear the music as well. That's the end.

1:25:01.120 --> 1:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>The music is so terrific here, as I mentioned earlier,

1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know exactly what you call this type

1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:11.080
<v Speaker 2>of song, like how this factors into traditional Japanese music,

1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:13.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's very joyous, like the old man explains it,

1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.080
<v Speaker 2>like this is a celebration of life, and you totally

1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:19.479
<v Speaker 2>feel it. You see it on the faces of all

1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of the villagers in this procession. It's just such a

1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>great vibe.

1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I want to come back to that joy in just

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<v Speaker 3>a minute, but I guess before we wrap up, I

1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:30.360
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to mention a couple of the other interesting

1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>themes and threads I saw tying together these very different narratives.

1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:38.160
<v Speaker 3>One thing that I noticed, Rob, did you notice this

1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:43.400
<v Speaker 3>theme of the dilemma of being destroyed versus being transformed.

1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:47.920
<v Speaker 3>That like, in several of the more nightmarish scenes, especially,

1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:50.439
<v Speaker 3>there is a dilemma faced by the characters in which

1:25:50.479 --> 1:25:53.479
<v Speaker 3>they can either be annihilated, they can cease to exist

1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:58.400
<v Speaker 3>or live on transformed into something tortured and unnatural. This

1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:01.479
<v Speaker 3>is a major theme of the Weeping Demon. It comes

1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:03.679
<v Speaker 3>up in Mount Fuji and Red, where they talk about

1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:06.599
<v Speaker 3>the idea of immediate death versus a slow death from

1:26:06.680 --> 1:26:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the effects of radiation. It comes up in the Tunnel

1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:12.920
<v Speaker 3>because the dead soldiers can't acknowledge that they are dead

1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:15.640
<v Speaker 3>and they must cease to exist. Thus they go on

1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:20.439
<v Speaker 3>in this baffled, twisted state of blue undeath. This clearly

1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:24.439
<v Speaker 3>seems to be something that is on Krosova's mind. Another

1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:29.880
<v Speaker 3>thing is across multiple scenes, I noticed a repeated theme

1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:33.599
<v Speaker 3>of people getting no help from authorities and in fact

1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:39.120
<v Speaker 3>authority figures suggesting that you must die like. There are

1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:42.840
<v Speaker 3>multiple scenes where someone is denied aid by someone who

1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:45.439
<v Speaker 3>should help them, or by an authority figure like a

1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:48.719
<v Speaker 3>parent the mother in the first sequence, or a government

1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:51.280
<v Speaker 3>official or a military commander.

1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:52.400
<v Speaker 2>And a corporate world.

1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes. In all these cases, the authority figure suggests there

1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:58.400
<v Speaker 3>is nothing I can do to help you, and you

1:26:58.479 --> 1:27:02.120
<v Speaker 3>must die. But then finally, and I think this brings

1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:05.479
<v Speaker 3>us back to the last segment. There is a more

1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:09.240
<v Speaker 3>theme that you get in both negative and positive visions,

1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:13.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's something about the holiness of nature, something about

1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:16.160
<v Speaker 3>how the holiness of nature is not appreciated, but that

1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:20.400
<v Speaker 3>there is promise in coming to see it. And so

1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.519
<v Speaker 3>I think the clear statement of the idea is that

1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:27.360
<v Speaker 3>the natural world is absolutely vital to us, but that

1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:31.439
<v Speaker 3>we remain blind to how important it is until we

1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:35.040
<v Speaker 3>have already destroyed it. This theme is made very plain

1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:36.800
<v Speaker 3>in the speech given by the old Man and the

1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:39.599
<v Speaker 3>final Dream, where he's talking about the virtues of living

1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:43.559
<v Speaker 3>simply and being in harmony with nature. He talks about

1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:48.440
<v Speaker 3>the false promise of happiness through technology and convenience and materialism.

1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.519
<v Speaker 3>But you see this theme occur at different levels through

1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I think most of the segments, like the boy in

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<v Speaker 3>the peach orchard is redeemed by proving that he hated

1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:01.040
<v Speaker 3>the idea of cutting down the peach trees, and that

1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:04.320
<v Speaker 3>he loved the orchard for the living beauty of the plants,

1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:07.000
<v Speaker 3>not just for the produce. Not just for the material,

1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:08.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, the peaches they grew.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that segment we see that some level of

1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:15.559
<v Speaker 2>regeneration is possible, like the we see that one plant

1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.360
<v Speaker 2>that is growing back the promise of the future. Yeah.

1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:20.960
<v Speaker 3>And in the crows segment also this is part of

1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>what van Go like, he discusses this kind of almost

1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:31.160
<v Speaker 3>life or death drive to find purpose and positive meaning

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<v Speaker 3>in life by like seeking out what's beautiful and valuable

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<v Speaker 3>in nature and kind of processing it through, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to take that scene of nature and to make it

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<v Speaker 3>part of himself and to make himself part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then of course that brings us back to the

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<v Speaker 3>funeral at the end. There's something relieving and gorgeous and

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<v Speaker 3>cathartic about the funeral because it suggests a kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a way of happiness, happiness and purpose and goodness even

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<v Speaker 3>in death, by finding your life in the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>state that these villagers find it that you know that

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<v Speaker 3>they live in harmony with nature, and they realize they

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<v Speaker 3>see beauty around them and they take part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't, you know, they don't remain blind to it.

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<v Speaker 3>They become part of it and they work with it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it makes even death a happy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, return to nature or return to traditional values.

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<v Speaker 2>This is you see this as a recurring theme in

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese media of this time period especially, but also I

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<v Speaker 2>think globally as well. I mean, this idea of of

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<v Speaker 2>returning to nature, returning to the garden, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>see that certainly throughout the later half of the twentieth

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<v Speaker 2>century and on through storytelling today. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a revelation that thankfully we've completely abandoned.

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<v Speaker 3>Or could hope to put into a kind of happy synthesis,

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<v Speaker 3>because I also don't think it's quite fair to fully embrace,

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<v Speaker 3>like the the philosophy that all labor saving conveniences are

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<v Speaker 3>bad or something, you know, that happiness is necessarily through

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<v Speaker 3>like destroying all machines and not having electricity. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it is, but I'm not sure that's the case.

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<v Speaker 3>But certainly there is a lot of wisdom in the

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<v Speaker 3>movies plea to be more conscious and protective of nature

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<v Speaker 3>and to see ourselves as being in an absolutely vital

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<v Speaker 3>kind of personal relationship with it, each one of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and also together as a community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, that's the dream. Anyway, in this case, Kurosawa's Dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, I guess that's what I've got on Dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>Rob is the is the cold medicine flagging? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably so, I believe. I believe I'm running out of

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<v Speaker 2>energy here, but this is a great one. I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad you picked Dreams for us to watch here for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode of Weird House Cinema. Again, it's widely available,

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<v Speaker 2>It's well worth watching, and again it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>think of. I love dream sequences in films and television,

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<v Speaker 2>but I find it rare that a filmmaker actually captures

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<v Speaker 2>some true essence of dream and a character of Saul

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely nails it here. Yeah, yeah, all right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>gohe and close it up. But hey, we'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week with another cinematic masterpiece. Stay tuned for that one.

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