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Of course, this was day 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 5: we're trying to cover it up and say, hey, this 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 5: is an arbitration issue. We're to keep this in house. 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 5: In fact, Roger Goodell's going to preside over in the 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 5: course of No. Hell no, this kind of stuff is inappropriate, 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 5: and we need to have a court system oversee this 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: whole thing, which means more importantly, emails, phone calls, text messages, 38 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 5: anything that they may have tried to keep under wraps 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: will eventually come to light. 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: Well here's the other thing too. 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: I mean, the NFL could try to say a lot 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: of court now that they have to go forward with 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: a case, the last thing you want to do Kelvin, 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: as you know, is exposed all that discovery Like that's 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: why a lot of cases get settled. People wonder why 46 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I thought they were saying no, that 47 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: they were innocent all this, and then all of a sudden, 48 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: it's like discovery shows. It's like, okay, turn over your 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: emails for the last five years, turn over your cell phone, 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: text messages, all this other stuff, and then you don't 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: want that on the public record, which is what happens 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: in the court case. But I'm going to say this 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: to you, this is no surprise whatsoever. And we know 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: the NFL and the bad way that it is treated minorities, 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: especially former black players and coaches. 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 3: It's well documented. 57 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: It's so bad that they actually had to have a 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: Rooney rule which was forcing owners to interview, even higher 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: to interview because coaching cycles would go by and there 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: would be six jobs open and not one black assistant 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 4: coach or anybody would get an interview. Forget about having 62 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 4: a chance, not even an interview. Right, of course, you know, 63 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 4: I blame players for this because they've allowed this to happen. 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: They continue go to teams that have racist owners or 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: owners that don't give minorities equal opportunity, that have done 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: bad stuff, and they still continue as long as you 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: allow the owners to do their dirt and treat the 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: coach black coaches the way that they have, they have 69 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 4: the power. Ask Donald Sterling when the players said we 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: will not play the playoff games if he's still an owner. 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: Guess how long that took for the NBA owners to 72 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: turn on one of their own. How long did that take? 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: Kelvin? Two seconds? 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 6: Right, maybe an hour? 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: Stop stop them, honey, trained, When you stop the money train, 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: you'll get their attention. As long as you keep taking 77 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: their money, they're going to continue to do this. 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: So bravo to the courts. And you know it's the idea. 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 4: That some people are willing to fight and that's the 80 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: only way things get changed. 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Kelvin, No, I'm just all I'm gonna really do is 82 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: add on I might. I'm gonna give you some some facts. 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: What a cover sheet? 84 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 6: All facts? Would a cover sheets? 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: When I'm about to give you two So the fact 86 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: that we had to have a Rooney rule just to 87 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: get an interview being a baseline, not even saying you 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: have to hire these folks right then you start to 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: do the math. The Runey rule now has been in 90 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: existence for twenty years. Rob twenty years. You know how 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: many black coaches we currently have? 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 6: Three? 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: Three out of thirty two? What is the NFL? The 94 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: NFL is seventy percent black. Where else can you have 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: a workforce that is predominantly one thing? And you only 96 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: have a nine percent representation and power structure. Now, some 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: will say, well, hey, we'll just hire the folks who 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: you know the best opportunity. It doesn't matter if they're black, white, 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: male females. Just give him opportunity. Well, in a utopian world, 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: that sounds great. Here's the thing. You hire from the 101 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: pools of coordinators oftentimes, Well you know what coordinators are. 102 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: They're ninety percent ninety percent non black in the NFL, 103 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 1: almost ninety percent white. 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 6: So how am I getting a fair shake. 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: When the pool that you would then pool talent from 106 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: brothers aren't in that? So then you also concern yourself 107 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: with the pipeline rob You say, all right, we gotta 108 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: start getting people in the pipeline. 109 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 6: We've got to get him in. 110 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: Well, only like sixteen of the top college coaches in 111 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: the country are black. I think it's sixteen of like 112 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy. So again, 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: where's the pipeline that you're gonna draw this talent from. 114 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: And you're in a league where you stare at potential 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: head coaches every single day, which has always been mind 116 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: boggling to me. Not everybody's gonna be a star. Not 117 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: everyone is gonna play ten fifteen years. You know there's 118 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: a guy man, this defensive back. This defensive back will 119 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: be a great coach at some point. Wow, this running 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: back is gonna be a really good coach. Yo, this 121 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: second string, third string quarterback would be a great coach. 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: These are opportunities to get them in the pipeline, because 123 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: you know what happens when these kids in high school 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: in college, all they think about is playing football, right, 125 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: They're all locked in. They don't see an example of well, 126 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: this is only gonna last. What do we always talk 127 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: about three or four years? But I can stay in 128 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: the game by being a coordinator, by being a head coach, 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: by being a general manager, by being you know, a 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: potentially maybe even owner. But having these positions, But subconsciously, 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: they don't even see that as options because they don't 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: see it reflected in their faces. They're barely coordinators, they're 133 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: only three head coaches, and we know they're also barely 134 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: general managers. So in the positions of power as a player, subconsciously, 135 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't see myself representing that. And there's no other 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: thing I was talking around g I can't think of 137 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: something else. Have a workforce as seventy percent women and 138 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: only have nine percent women as far as you know, 139 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: running managers or you know and general managers or running 140 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: the business whatever it is. So the NFL absolutely is 141 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: going to try to settle. It's gonna be on Brian 142 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: floores to see if he wants to, I like Colin Kaepernick, 143 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: because it'll be interesting to see. Does he want to 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: move forward for the real progress to happen where the 145 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: skeletons have to be shown in the closet or does 146 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: he say I'll take the five million, ten million, go 147 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: away and move on because he just went through another 148 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: head coaching cycle when he had an amazing defense in Minnesota, 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: when we know what he did down there in Miami, 150 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and he didn't get another head coaching opportunity, so he. 151 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: Wanted has a lawsuit against the league. 152 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: But right, but I'm saying, does or does he want 153 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 6: to just you know, will he settle? 154 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: But exposing them, exposing them doesn't do anything if the 155 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: players go along, well what I mean till. 156 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: The cow comes home. 157 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: Like you talked about what they have no shame. They 158 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: have no shame because they already no. They hire their sons, 159 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: they hire their relatives, they. 160 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: Have no shame. 161 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: There is no shame because there's no rep because there's 162 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: no there's no pushback. And there's the only way that 163 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: this stops is if players say, Okay, Owner X, you 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: don't give minorities an opportunity of you. 165 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: I'm not going there as a free agent. I don't 166 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: want to go to that team. I don't want to 167 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: play for that. That's that that that's the only way, 168 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: because then. 169 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: You have to change. You have to change what you're 170 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: doing to attract people to play. 171 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: But like you talked about with John Gruden or the 172 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: other day, I can't remember, I wasn't on, but I 173 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: know you and I have talked about it as well 174 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: in our text and whatnot. 175 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 6: Like with John Gruden, Man, that stuff comes out now. 176 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: He didn't want a case and maybe they shouldn't have 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: put out his emails and all that, but it's out 178 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: there now. And if the NFL gets some of those emails, 179 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: some communications, some text messages, some and it will be 180 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: hear how the owners. 181 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 6: Speak about these things. 182 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, if it older says, oh, let me go 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: get my token black interview real quick so I can 184 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: get it out the way to hire whoever I was 185 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: gonna hire if all that stuff comes out publicly to 186 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: be seen, not just what I think, because others will say, 187 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: you don't know that. 188 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 6: Come on, they just hired the best man for the job. 189 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: But if somebody sees it reads it, people will be like, WHOA, 190 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was like that. You and I 191 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: already know, but others may be informed now and see 192 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: it in their face. 193 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: So I give you credit because I just don't think. 194 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: I think the players who won't even fight for their 195 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: own health care and pensions. 196 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Are not going to fight for black coaches. I just 197 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: I don't. 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: They don't they have the worst. Would you admit that 199 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: they got the worst health care pension? 200 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: So they won't fight for their own and their families 201 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: and their future health. 202 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: How in the world this is why this has been 203 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: allowed to happen. 204 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: I blame the players more than I blame the owners. 205 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 6: I really do. 206 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: But I've really known the players, and I totally I 207 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: do understand that I'm saying the owners will then be 208 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: on you, me, other shows, the writers across the country 209 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and potentially the world, if it were to get out, 210 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the shame of it, more so than the players. 211 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 6: I'm not talking about the players. The players are I'm 212 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 6: just saying that they don't. 213 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. 214 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: In a good, in a realistic and honest world, your 215 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: your approach is right. 216 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: I just don't think they care. 217 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: And as long as they continue to play, and as 218 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: long as they continue to make money and the games 219 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: go on, they will say, oh, yeah, we got to 220 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: do a better job, and they'll keep doing business as usual. 221 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: I think there's some inflammatory emails and messages get out 222 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: by the right owners and the right general managers and 223 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: so on. I think they'll try to say face and 224 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: tuck their tails and try to you know, backpedal and 225 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: and and get and get some get right. 226 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 5: Uh. 227 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 6: But yeah, this is this was that was a. 228 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: Big win for Brian Flores and a big win, uh, 229 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: potentially a big win moving forward. We'll see how if 230 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: he takes a set of or how that all pays out, 231 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: because one thing, what the NFL got is some big 232 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: money and if they hit him with a ten million 233 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: dollar check, you know, like they did Colin Kaepernick. 234 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 235 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm 236 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 237 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 238 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 7: Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paula 239 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 7: and Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos they asked 240 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 7: you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask 241 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 7: you please don't listen to the show. The hosts are 242 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 7: two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports magicable. 243 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 7: Don't listen to the show so it can get camps. 244 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 6: What the he. 245 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: Get him? 246 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 6: Pore that fool. 247 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: Listen to the Tony Fusco Show on the iHeart Radio 248 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: app or wherever you get your podcast. 249 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: He's still moving. 250 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 5: We have some big numbers coming in out of the NFL. 251 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: And that is because, according to viewership numbers that the 252 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 5: NFL released on Wednesday, Evelyn Brown's first preseason game aka 253 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 5: the debut of Shador Sanders, was the NFL's NFL networks 254 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 5: most watch preseason contest since twenty fifteen. All right two 255 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 5: point two million viewers. According to the VOLT, that debut 256 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 5: was the number one program on Friday Night across both 257 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 5: cable and broadcast television. 258 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Big numbers, numbers and what those numbers rob and what 259 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: to me? What we have seen before, and by before, 260 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean from two from a couple different people, from 261 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: Shador and Joe Flacco, and if you want to add 262 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, now Dylan Gabriel. We don't really know much 263 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: about it. He's just kind of here, you know, he 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: hasn't really had a chance. So I'll put him. I 265 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: reserved for him on the side. 266 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 6: Right now. 267 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm really looking at this, and I mean this sincerely. 268 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: This ain't radio. This ain't trying to be funny. That's 269 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: gonna say, make make sure, make sure you don't lose 270 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: your credibility here. I'd kim legitimately be Kiff not understanding 271 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: why you don't run with Shador Sanders. 272 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 6: Here's why. 273 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: This is the Browns who have done nothing with quarterbacks 274 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: for the last thirty forty years. 275 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 6: In fact, let me read you something, Timkin. 276 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: Not true. 277 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield one beat the Steels in the playoffs. 278 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said. Baker Mayfield, the guy that got 279 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: rid of I Digress. When they got it right, they 280 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: got it wrong and let him go. Cole McCoy, Brandon Whedon, 281 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield, 282 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: was actually solid to good for them. 283 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 6: Let him go. 284 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett, Jameis Winston. We know he's just a turnover 285 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: weight to happen. My point is, and then, oh I 286 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: left out one guy, the guy you actually decided to 287 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: do something. No one else in the history, including Brett Farr, 288 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, no nobody got two 289 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty guaranteed. Deshaun Watson did from who the Browns. 290 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: The Browns need to do exactly what they think they're 291 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: gonna do and do the opposite, and that is they 292 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: need to give Shadoor a chance. And I mean this sincerely. 293 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. We know what Joe Flacco is. He's probably 294 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: the first or second best breaking in the case of 295 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: emergency in the NFL. Whether it's Kirk Cousins, yo cousin, 296 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: not my cousin, whether it's him, I know what I got. 297 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 6: He's been that he is. 298 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: He's perfectly fine as a backup, you know what, he is, 299 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: very very good. 300 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 6: Serviceable backup. 301 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: But for once, why don't you try to find your 302 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: guy and build up your guy. Why don't you give 303 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: you a chance and see if he isn't good, he's not. 304 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: You got Dylan Gabriel and you got Kevin Pickett Kenny 305 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Pickett to go with. And to me, and I mean this, 306 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: start to build something, do something. Joe Flacco's gonna win 307 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: you seven games, and you're gonna be right back here. 308 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: Trying to get a quarterback, trying to figure it out 309 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: should do is clearly selling out. 310 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 6: He's at the number two jersey. 311 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: He's why people are watching, people are gonna go to 312 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: the games. And he also happens to be a pretty 313 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: solid quarterback from what we've seen thus far. 314 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 6: And if he isn't, fine, Dylan Gabriel get in there. 315 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 6: But to me, why go? 316 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: And I mean this, Why go to Joe Flacco when 317 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: it's just a recyclable I know what it is. He's 318 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: two years removed from the last time he was good 319 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: with us. Now he's two years older. We let him 320 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: go when he won a playoff game. Now we want 321 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: him back, And I genuinely don't understand. Yes, well, he 322 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: seemed to be the better option, but you're gonna win 323 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: seven eight games, Max, why not go start to develop, 324 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: build for your future and have something moving forward that 325 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: also is a hot ticket. Item that's selling jerseys that 326 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: could sell out the freaking stadium. To me, I genuinely 327 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: don't get to Joe Flacco. You know what that is. 328 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: You've been there before, Rob, you know exactly what that is. 329 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 6: What first say out of stoff games? 330 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 4: Okay, obviously you don't know anything about Cleveland Browns football 331 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 4: because they sell out. They don't have any empty seats. 332 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: So whether should doors the quarterback or not, that's what 333 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: they love that team and they've been showing up. So 334 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: it ain't about selling tickets or or the TV rating 335 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: for the Browns games. 336 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: No. 337 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: No, I'm just trying to. 338 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: Say, like, like none of that factors in. People are 339 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: gonna watch the games on Sunday during the season. People 340 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: are gonna go to Brown's games. They've been bad, they 341 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: haven't won anything, and people still. 342 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: When they lost the team. No, No, that's not what 343 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you can't guarantee me that your door 344 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: is going to be better. You don't know that. 345 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 4: That's in your that's your emotions getting the best of you. 346 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: But I'm saying I'm going to look at the coaches 347 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: who are invested. You're not invested in this. 348 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 4: You're just a bystander who is saying, yeah, this is 349 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: a shiny new toy. 350 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: Let's just go put them. Just put them in. It 351 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: can't be any just put them in. The coach is invested. 352 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: That's his career, the general managers invested. 353 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 4: That's his career. They're invested. I think it's silly. 354 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: For guys like you and other people to just absolutely 355 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: think that these guys don't want to win. 356 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: Because I don't believe that. I don't believe that they're 357 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 4: not putting Shador Sanders in because they don't want to win. 358 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense. That's not the nature of 359 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: the game to win. They watch them every day in practice, 360 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: they watched the film. They don't believe he's the starting quarterback. 361 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: Come what part don't you get? 362 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: What's the only thing we've heard? No negative thing we've heard. No, No, 363 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: it's before he even got there. I keep telling you, 364 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: if he was that guy you're talking about what he 365 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: did at Colorado. You don't think the Raiders need a 366 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: quarterback long term? Tom Brady's right there. There were other 367 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: teams the Steelers need a team. 368 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: No, I'm telling you about other teams that needed quarterbacks. 369 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 4: And your ratings thing which is as weak as it 370 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 4: gets because Tim Tebow. I could give you ratings in 371 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: twenty twelve when Tim Tebow was a quarterback, and guess what, 372 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 4: they couldn't wait he won a playoff game for the Broncos, 373 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: and you know what, they couldn't wait to get rid 374 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: of him because they knew that he wasn't a good quarterback. 375 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: No, but that's my poet. Who want more in college? 376 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: Who want more in college? Tim Tebow? Or see or Sandy? No, 377 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: let me, I'm asking you a question. More Oka, who 378 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: was a first round pick? Who was a first round 379 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: pick Tim Tebow? Okay, who got their coach fired for 380 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: moving up to go pick Tim Tebow? 381 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 3: That ultimately it cost him his job in Denver? 382 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 6: Right? 383 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 4: And my point to you, yes, my point to you is, 384 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: I'm giving you exhibit A with this. The fans love him, 385 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: and the TV ratings and the selling of the jerseys. 386 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: He sold a more Mets jerseys than anybody. And guess 387 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 4: what didn't make it to the major leagues selling jerseys. 388 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: And all that. 389 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 6: That's that's window. 390 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: That has nothing to do. 391 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: With we thought was a tailback. Nobody thought Tim Tebow 392 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: was a quarterback. We all knew he was a half back, tailback, 393 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: tight end Deshaw you're looking at your door is an 394 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: actual quarterback. 395 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 6: And here's the part I'm saying. Let's say he sucks. 396 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Let's find out why am I rolling out old Joe Fleco? 397 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: That hasn't How do you get your job in the NFL? 398 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: How do you get your job in the NFL? It's 399 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: the only sport where you practice more than you play, 400 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: and you earn your key, you earn your spot. They 401 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: watch you more than you play. You practice ten times 402 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: more than you play in the NFL. 403 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: So that's that's what they go off of. 404 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 6: That's why people are watching great things. 405 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that no, you have heard. 406 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: And only see Did Patrick Mahons play in game one? 407 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: Did Patrick Mahons playing game one of the preseason? 408 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: I could go on. You gave this same argument for 409 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 4: justin fields, try jumping different if you're the Steelers. 410 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 6: Put the field. 411 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he would not write you would not 412 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: right because he's not with the team. And here's your 413 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: point year old quarterback. And now the first thing they 414 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: say the Jets, no, no, I'm not And the Jets 415 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: are like this dude can't even move the offense. 416 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: Did you read the stories about him? 417 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Can't throw the ball consistently, and that's why this Dallas 418 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: moved off of him. What I'm saying is, go see, 419 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: maybe shoulder isn't great. 420 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 6: You know what Joe Flacco is. 421 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: He's two years older from the same guy that won 422 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: you a playoff game that you got rid of. So 423 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: clearly you didn't want him. Man, Now he's two years older. 424 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: Didn't look great last year? No, no, no, your argument 425 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: was about selling jerseys and that's why that doesn't That 426 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. 427 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 6: Guy is Joe. 428 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: That's when year old Aaron Rodgers. None of nobody cares 429 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: about that. 430 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 6: None of this makes sense. Joe Jesco Fields is on his. 431 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: Third team in three years. That's so good, guy, that's 432 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: the guy. 433 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: You hit the wagon too. We're good in twenty twenty. 434 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Why is that coaching general manager? We have Joe Flaco. 435 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 6: Here we go. 436 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: Man, you better start developing and building something and moving towards. 437 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: Nobody builds anything. That's not what they do because when 438 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: they were building. 439 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 6: No, no, they don't. 440 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: They don't do that anymore. 441 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: You let me let me tell you ja Aeron Rodgers, 442 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers didn't play for three and a half years. 443 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: They don't build anymore. They put the quarterback in day one. 444 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: They don't build anything. And if you're not ready, they 445 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: don't put you in. That's the point. If you're ready, 446 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: anybody else. 447 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 4: All those quarterbacks you mentioned got thrown in because they 448 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 4: think that their franchise quarterback. 449 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 6: They don't believe your door. 450 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: In door won't get thrown in. He's still may because 451 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: they're sitting there saying Kenny Pikett ain't nothing, and Dylan 452 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Gabriel can be in this coming. 453 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 6: Maybe it's him. I don't. 454 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: My point is it can't be that you're selling me. 455 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is the guy. Yes, he's a proven veteran 456 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl chat respectfully, but that can't be 457 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: you moving forward. Joe Flaco won with an amazing defense. 458 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: Man, Peyton Manning, win a Super Bowl and late in 459 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 4: his career, yes, with it the world were now okay, okay, 460 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: I'm asking you. Did they didn't put brock Brockwaller in there, right? 461 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 4: They put they won the Super Bowl with an old quarterback, 462 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 4: did they not? 463 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: That's my point. 464 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 6: They did. 465 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco won a Super They didn't say no, let's 466 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: play brocks Waller because he's younger and he and he 467 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: represents the future. 468 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: No, they did not. They put the veteran in. They 469 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: did not put him in. 470 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: Ever. Compared Peyton Manning to Joe Flacco, Peyton Manning is 471 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning arguably the top five quarterback all time. 472 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 6: Both they both won Super Bowl that both respect. 473 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Joe was a solid quarterback who had an amazing defense 474 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: al Brad Johnson at Trent Dilford. 475 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 3: He had one of the greatest Super Bowl runs. Go 476 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: look at the stats. 477 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: Nobody he had one of the greatest runs to a 478 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl any quarterback has ever. 479 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: That's why Joe. 480 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 6: Still Manning in the same name. 481 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 3: And my point is an old quarter played and it 482 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: ain't that Joe flat you're talking about. I want TV 483 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 3: ratings argument. 484 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: Since I'll give you that. Okay, least he's Aaron Rodgers. Okay, 485 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I get it. 486 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 6: That's Flaco. That's what the Browns just say. 487 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: No, we're gonna be stubborn and close our eyes because 488 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: we got Joe Flacco. 489 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 490 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 491 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 492 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: listen live. 493 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 5: What's crazy about this story? There's not even really a story. 494 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 5: This is just a matter of fact. So you guys know, 495 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 5: you know, the Associated Press does the All American Team 496 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 5: right for college sports, and that's been going on since, 497 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 5: as Rob says, since Moby Dick was a guppy. Like 498 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: forever and ever and ever. The AP decides who the 499 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 5: best players are in goldge football, and as part of 500 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 5: their one hundredth anniversary, they announced what they believe to 501 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: be the all time all a Mayor list of players. 502 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 5: So there's a who's who. You know, you got legends 503 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 5: like Deon Sanders, not surprising, you know. More recently, guys 504 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 5: like Brock Powers. They had met the all time tight 505 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 5: end because he was just a monster in Georgia for 506 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: a couple of seasons. When it came time to quarterback though, 507 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 5: that's the one that everybody could kind of focused on, 508 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 5: because there is a list depending on your age group 509 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: that everybody thinks, Oh, it's definitely Cam Newton, It's definitely 510 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 5: Tommy Fraser, it's definitely you know, Joe Monte. Whoever, whatever 511 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 5: your age and your region of the country, you have 512 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 5: a guy who you believe is the greatest college quarterback 513 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 5: either ever or the one that you've seen. Well, they've 514 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 5: decided the debate is over. Well, we're gonna tell you 515 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 5: right now who the greatest college quarterback was in NC 516 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 5: DOUABA history. And it's none other than a man that 517 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 5: you actually talked about last hour, Tim Tebow. Acquording to 518 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: these voters, all twelve of them with ap, Tim Tebow 519 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 5: has been crowned as the starting quarterback, the first team 520 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 5: back for their all time one hundred anniversary of all 521 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 5: American quarterbacks, edging out a close second. One was how 522 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 5: close it was Texas quarterback Vincian. 523 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I wish that I could get on these Fox Sports 524 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: radio they couple airwaves and tell you that they got 525 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: it wrong and make a ball humbug, big fuss. But Daggittt, 526 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: you ain't wrong when you're right, and they're absolutely right. 527 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: You can make an argument. He's one of the top 528 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: ten college football players of all time any position, and Daggett, you, 529 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: dag near might even go top five. 530 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 6: And I'm not mad at you. I mean, what he did. 531 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: Is spectacular, especially considering he was a quarterback. Now, granted, 532 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: he looked like a running back, tailback, fullback playing in 533 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: a quarterback position. Let me throw some numbers at you, 534 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: my guy, Rob g He completed sixty seven percent of 535 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: his passes for ninety three hundred yards, when we don't 536 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: even think about him as a high percentage completion passing quarterback, 537 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: eighty eight touchdowns and only sixteen interceptions. Look at that 538 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: touchdown inn exception ratio for again, for a guy that 539 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: we don't think of. 540 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 6: As carving defenses up. 541 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he added almost three thousand rushing yards and fifty 542 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: seven rushing touchdown. He has a Heisman Trophy winner. He 543 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: helped his team win back to back national titles. He 544 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of came on the second end of that as 545 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: a starter. And again he is sixth in Florida, Florida 546 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: in rushing yards total. Sixth at Florida, the same place 547 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: where Emmett Smith comes from, and so many other backs, 548 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: Fred Taylor and so on and so forth. Six in 549 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: rushing That is absolutely crazy. Fourth in all time in 550 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: passing yards at Florida. This is absolutely astonishing what he's 551 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: evil doing. You also add in the pop culture flair. 552 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: You are in one of the greatest, most iconic speeches 553 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: to his team getting fired up. 554 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 6: You know he's got blood on his forehead. 555 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean like he to me is that guy when 556 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: I think of a college football quarterback. 557 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 6: Again, not traditional. 558 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: He wasn't a guy like a Peyton Manny who was 559 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: throwing the ball off pristine and beautiful. He wasn't Andrew 560 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: luck where it just looked like a prototypical quarterback. He 561 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: wasn't John Elway in the sense of Matthew Stafford, where 562 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: we kind of went, well, that's a quarterback. You kind 563 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: of knew it off the bat. But he just epitomized 564 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: college football. Win it all costs, whatever it takes. Leader 565 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: of this team, get on my shoulders, will get it 566 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: done by any means necessary. So I don't have it. No, 567 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. To me, I 568 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: it was. It was a no brainer for me. He 569 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: embodied what a quarterback, a winning quarterback in college Now 570 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: pros you start to think more Tom Brady, the Joe 571 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Montana guys who throw the ball who fit the mold 572 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know who are more of 573 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: a prototypical if you will. But for what he did 574 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: at Florida, what he meant pop culture wise, winning national 575 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: Championship as well. 576 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 6: I don't have a problem with it. 577 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 5: I only got two words for you, Doug. 578 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 6: Stop it. 579 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 5: What what are you saying right now? 580 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: Now? 581 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to be as as nice and as 582 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 5: respectful as possible because Tim Tebow is straight with the 583 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 5: Lord in ways that I'll never be. And I want 584 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 5: to make sure I get into the Pearly Glate gates. 585 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 5: And I feel like Tebow could put in a good 586 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 5: word for me if I really needed it. 587 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 6: So you need to get to the Pearly gates. I 588 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 6: could throw a word. T Bow can as well. 589 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 5: I mean, Whileo's I don't want no disrespect to you, 590 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 5: but Tebow's were probably counted like fifteen times more than 591 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: the Dovie. 592 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: Can't believe then, you don't know the Lord. 593 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 5: Tim Tebow in parts of Florida is the Lord. And 594 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 5: you know that basically what I just said, what you 595 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 5: just said, right, No, but look, Tim Tebow was great. 596 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: Tim Tebow, you know, for my generation, is easily the 597 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: best you know, college quarterback. I think. 598 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 6: Ever, now you better say somebody great, Robie. 599 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you why. The guy who should have 600 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 5: been at the top of this list is Tommy Fraser 601 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 5: from Nebraska. Tommy Fraser, unlike Tim Tim Tebow, gets credit 602 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 5: for being a two time national champion. Tommy Fraser is 603 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 5: a legitimate two time now because he was starting both 604 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 5: of those seasons ninety five back to back. Tim Tebow 605 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 5: was a gadget guy. The first time, I believe in 606 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 5: it was Chris Leak at quarterback in Florida the first nine. 607 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 5: Here's another fun fact about Tommy Fraser and Nebraska. He 608 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 5: is the only player in college football history to earn 609 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 5: MVP honors in three consecutive national championship games. Now, if 610 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 5: that's not impressive enough as it is, I mentioned they 611 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: went back to back ninety four ninety five. That means 612 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 5: he was named MVP in ninety three in a game 613 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: that they lost. That is icon legendary. Jerry West the 614 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 5: logo type stuff. You can't do that anymore. That doesn't 615 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: exist in sports nowadays. Tommy Fraser was that incredible as 616 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: a college quarterback. And the last reason, and this is 617 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 5: the reason why I'm gonna give him the nod over 618 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 5: t but what gets close, But this is whath I'm 619 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 5: gonna give him the nod. Okay, the nineteen ninety five 620 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 5: Nebraska Cornhuskers are widely regarded as one of, if not 621 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 5: the best team in college football history, as great as 622 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 5: Tim Tebow was and as talented as those Gators teams were. 623 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 5: Matter of fact, you could do a thirty for thirty 624 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 5: on one of those teams when it was you know, 625 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 5: Tebo cam Newton's on the team, Percy Harvin's on the team, 626 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 5: Riley Cooper's on the team, or nan is on the team, 627 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: the pouncies on the team, like the cast of characters 628 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: alone on that team with Urban Meyer as the coach 629 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 5: would make for an incredible FX like mini series. But 630 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: nobody viewsed any of those Gator teams as one of 631 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 5: the greatest teams in college football history. And that nineteen 632 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 5: ninety five Nebraska team is like one that is almost 633 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 5: a mythical team because it wasn't just that they won 634 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 5: and that they were the champions. It's that they bludgeoned 635 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 5: every single team that they played, and they did it 636 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 5: in a way that was not as flashy as like 637 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 5: the you guys of the eighties. It wasn't as exciting 638 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 5: as what you might see with Burrow and the twenty 639 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 5: nineteen LSU team. But they just grinded you over and 640 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 5: over and over. Power to the left, power to the right, 641 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 5: option up the middle, and look for all those reasons. 642 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: Tommy Fraser is the greatest college quarterback ever. 643 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: Man. If you don't cut that out, Tommy Frazer gonna 644 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: send you a thank you card. He was absolutely spectacular, 645 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: and it was a more amazing football players to watch. 646 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 6: Without a doubt. 647 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: He was in that era of me, you know when 648 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: you really start watching sports. You know, I'm ten, eleven, 649 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: twelve whatever. It was like that run. Maybe a little 650 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: bit older, but that was like I remember that. He 651 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: was incredible. But since you want to go there, let 652 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: me spit some facts to you. What a cover sheet 653 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: the man? The man completed. 654 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 6: Forty nine percent of his passes is a different era. Oh, 655 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 6: you want to give me some numbers? 656 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: No, let me cook, dangan, let me put this apron 657 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: on a cook forty nine percent of his passes for 658 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: you can't even give me fifty Tommy, I continue the 659 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: same year you talking about, nineteen ninety five, demand. 660 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 6: Threw for thirteen hundred yards. Thirteen hundred yards. 661 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I'll spot you his entire career, he 662 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: only threw for thirty five hundred yards his whole career. 663 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 6: He only threw for seventeen passing yards. 664 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Let me get back to my guy, Jesus's favorite, Tim Tebow. 665 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 5: I'm glad you're a Mintigan now before you were on the. 666 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I got admitted. I listen, I'm gonna get in. 667 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 6: But you know, I might get it. 668 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: He might have it's a line. If it's in a line, 669 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: I might be that last third. He might get in 670 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. 671 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 6: You know. He held on the things longer than I did. 672 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: Look at it, sixty seven percent of his passes for 673 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: ninety three hundred yards, eighty eight touchdowns. And I just 674 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: told you Tommy only threw for thirty two in his career. 675 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: So when they're looking at a quarterback, they ain't saying 676 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: you gotta be a getting Payton Manning, but you got 677 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: to be better than fifty percent complete career completion percentage. 678 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: That's atrocious. So that is the difference. Tommy was spectacular. 679 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: Tommy is what they were concerned with when they started 680 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: to do that with brother quarterbacks. 681 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 6: Well, he ain't gonna be a quarterback. He's just an athlete. 682 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: They were thinking of Tommy, not Lamar, not Cam not 683 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, some of these other guys that could do it, 684 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, and run and pass. 685 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 6: He's what they were worried about. 686 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: Just a running back who, by the way, can throw 687 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: a pass every now and again. That was Tommy Fraser, 688 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: which is why they ran. They ran the ball with him. 689 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: They ran the ball runningacks. Nebraska's running over everybody. Tim 690 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: t By at the time was a very much still 691 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: a passing quarterback while also running till we got to pros. 692 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 6: But stay focused on college. We ain't gonna talk about 693 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 6: the pros. 694 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 5: Right then, let me just say one thing for a 695 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: guy who couldn't throw, the fact that Tommy Frasier was 696 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 5: named the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award recipient and ain't 697 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 5: Toenny five kind of you know, your argument collapsed on itself, 698 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 5: But just quickly, can we get to the calls here 699 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 5: we're talking Obviously there's guys who were great for one season, 700 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 5: two seasons. But because of the way college full paul 701 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 5: as you're talking about the greatest of all time, it 702 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 5: naturally eliminates the one hit wonders. So that's why a 703 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 5: guy like Joe Burrow. 704 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 8: Joe Burrow could have had that right so that's that's 705 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 8: my question is if you were to say, because I 706 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 8: think it's really two guys, it's Camon and Burrow, which 707 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 8: one of those guys if they had played another year 708 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 8: or two at that. 709 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 5: Level, would we do you think either one of them 710 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 5: would would have overtaken t Bow or Tommy Frasier. 711 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 6: I think they both had a chance. 712 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: Cam because the way he was kind of dragging the team. 713 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: He had a he had some he had a really 714 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: good defense with that Auburn team. His offense wasn't the greatest. 715 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 5: Any fun fact about Cam Newton's championship team. Nobody else 716 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 5: on that offense played in the NFL. 717 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: Nick case in point right and then and the Lions 718 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: drafted a Nick Fair tackle. Yeah, so he you know 719 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: he would He had a couple of coffee in the 720 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: late for a little bit, but that the team offensively 721 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: was just Cam and he was that spectacular. 722 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow was throwing to some guys. 723 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: As we know because they're all in the pros, and 724 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: but I was telling you earlier some of the throws 725 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: he was making. Man, I mean I was blown away 726 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: at Joe Burrow. I'm like, this is he the best 727 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: quarterback i've ever seen. It was insane what he was doing. 728 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: Those two guys put on a show for one singular year, 729 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: so how they had to double that up another year 730 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: or two or three. I don't think we'd be having 731 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: these conversations at all. But also at last point you 732 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: can disagree. I do think there's something to the extra 733 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: and I think Tim Tebow with just the drama and 734 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: even in his faith, because it was polarizing whether you 735 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: loved it or hated. 736 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 6: Maybe you loved Jess, maybe hey Jesus, whatever it is. 737 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: And remember he had the blood coming down his face 738 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: one time because he was running with no helmet, Like 739 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: there has to always be something that makes you extra, 740 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: Like Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer. Yeah yeah, yeah, 741 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: but there are other people who might've been technically better. Right, 742 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: A lot of people say Ray Robinson, Naza, Ray Leonard Sugar, 743 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: Ray Robinson, A lot of people may say Floyd. But 744 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: it was the talking, it was the dancing, it was 745 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: his stance on political things like sometimes to be the greatest, 746 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: it isn't just the play. And I think Tim always 747 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: had that in his favor, Like the speech I mentioned, 748 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: just just you gotta have something if you're just the 749 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: guy that just was really good. Sometimes that's not good enough. 750 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: It was Tiger because he was different. He was black, 751 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: he was Asian, he was pimping his fist, he wore 752 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: red on Sundays. He was more emphatic than any other 753 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: You ge what I mean? You gotta give me something else? Yeah, 754 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: because there's always somebody that's good or great. What separates you. 755 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 5: And shout out to Kaplin asent. Tiger Wood was by 756 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 5: the way, first one in history. That's why and only 757 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 5: and only No. So, yeah, I agree with you, and 758 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 5: I think I think that's why Tim Tebow probably did 759 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 5: get this nod. But in that same line of thinking, 760 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 5: and this is why I actually, you know, if I'm 761 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 5: disregarding Tommy Frazi's for the purpose of this conversation, Yeah, 762 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 5: but this is why I'm I wouldn't even have Vince 763 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 5: Young number two. I would put Matt Liner number two 764 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 5: because Matt Lioner won at a high er time that 765 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 5: Vince Young, and similar to Tim Tebow, there was a 766 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 5: moment in time, especially because there was no NFL in 767 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 5: Los Angeles where they were the biggest show in town. 768 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 5: Doubt like that they were an NFL team with Snoop 769 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 5: Dogg at every game, celebrities on the sideline like they 770 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 5: were a Hollywood script, you know, legends him and Reggie Bush, 771 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 5: you know, Big Mike William, Dwayne Jerrard, like all these guys. 772 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 5: They were celebrities in college before the NIL. Like if 773 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 5: the NL exists back then, you know what what fifteen 774 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 5: million dollars a year for these guys. 775 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: We're talking about his mama getting the house. His mam 776 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: would have had a Beverly Hills mansion exactly. 777 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 5: And that liner was like the you know, the the 778 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 5: George Clooney of that team where it's like, oh, look 779 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 5: at this handsome, tall quarterback and all he does is 780 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 5: win games. 781 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: No he d That team was By the way, though, 782 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: Vince Young and that that National Championship game any sports, 783 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: not just football college football, NFL, and that is one 784 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: of my top two three favorite games of any sport 785 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: in any time. 786 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 6: I mean, that was amazing. 787 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: All the celebrities and stars, specifically the stars I mean 788 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: on the field, they lived up to the hype, you 789 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you, Matt played great, Reggie 790 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: was great, Lindell White was great, Vince Young was great. 791 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: On the defensive end huff for the Texans was great. 792 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: Like the what was the running back he ended up 793 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: going to the league? Cedric was Cedri Benson? 794 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 5: No, Cedric Benson was before? That wasn't Jamal Charles, Was. 795 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: It Jamal char I think it was like everybody was great, 796 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: all the stars played. 797 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 6: That was just an amazing game. 798 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 5: Well you know, you know how big of a game 799 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 5: that was. It is because I think we can all 800 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 5: agree that Reggie Bush is on the short list of 801 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 5: greatest players ever. Like you mentioned crazy, Reggie Bush was 802 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 5: so hyped for that game. He tried to do a 803 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 5: lateral in the first quarter on like a forty yard 804 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 5: run and it led to a fumble. But he was 805 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 5: so pumped and it's like, Yo, this is the biggest 806 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 5: stage of probably ever gonna play on. I'm about to 807 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 5: make something happen. And then it backfired wildly. 808 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 1: They did backfire. But what a game, What a game 809 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: that was, Man, that was a great time.