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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It is Sam here with a quick

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Speaker 1: little announcement, and that is that I'm doing my solo show,

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Speaker 1: Club Comic, in both New York and Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Club Comic. It's my solo show. It's comedic

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Speaker 1: club tracks, it's videos as stand up. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: a fake concert. It begs the question, you know, what

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Speaker 1: if chromatica ball were actually, in fact stupid. That's right,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm doing it on April twenty eighth at

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Speaker 1: Littlefield in Brooklyn, New York, with my dear co host

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Speaker 1: George opening the show. And then I'm doing it on

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Speaker 1: May tenth at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles, California. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's opening yet, but just trust and

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Speaker 1: believe that they will be very successful. So pretty much,

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Speaker 1: if you let me flop, I will never recover emotionally,

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Speaker 1: internally and spiritually. So get those tickets. They're in my bio.

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Speaker 1: I probably didn't have to tell you that because you

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Speaker 1: are a smart audience. You hear me. Don't let anyone

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Speaker 1: say otherwise. Anyway, Enjoy the episode. I hope this announcement

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Speaker 1: wasn't too intense. I've just been feeling pretty red. The

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Speaker 1: fuck up? Okay, enjoy the episode. Bye the podcast, Well

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Speaker 1: it starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Hello and me just say what's up?

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Speaker 1: I have to respond to that and just say, to

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Speaker 1: be completely honest, not much.

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Speaker 2: WHOA Yeah, do you remember Sup? And Mu? Of course

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Speaker 2: I remember Sup and whatever happened to that?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's still alive and well, I think

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Speaker 1: up now people just say not much. They don't. I

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Speaker 1: think ab ABBREVII has lost its luster because, like you know,

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Speaker 1: phones have full keyboards and right, the medium is the message.

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Speaker 1: But I think people still say when you start a

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Speaker 1: conversation with like, let's say you're on like a scruff

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Speaker 1: or something and you're like up, someone will be like

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because you're pointing to an interesting dynamic, which

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Speaker 2: you used to just say that to like an acquaintance,

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Speaker 1: I mean even I would say even beyond the queens,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say to your grandmother if she had

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Speaker 1: Her name is, Grandma Love twenty four. But I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's like we don't need to play these games

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Speaker 2: All that, and it's not ironic in any way. It's

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Speaker 2: They are referencing aim culture, they.

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Speaker 1: Are referencing, and it's you know what it is. The

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Speaker 1: SUP in this context is to scruff the the sex

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Speaker 2: You're describing this as very like alien from signs learning

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Speaker 1: My god, I you are once again leading me into

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're right, you're right. Here's a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Where do you? I would say I at this point,

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Speaker 1: I celebrate it, I think too. You know, George, I

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Speaker 1: think you're in a rush to grow up, and I

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Speaker 2: I think for me, it's also like the path of

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Speaker 2: Go back and make and make this like Wisa.

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Speaker 1: No, that's true, that's true. The tech lords are trying

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I'll answer my own question. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you should go back and change to wizad because that

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Speaker 2: Doom. I always love as a sort of linguistic flourish

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Speaker 2: You know, It's what I call I've I coined this

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Speaker 1: To you about this? You have never You've hidden your

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Speaker 2: Please, Okay. This is the thing is I'm not ready

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Speaker 2: Like it's I would say, you know, it's sort of like,

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Speaker 1: But the thing is that always I think it's always

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Speaker 2: Do you think BuzzFeed and Cards against Humanity as the

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Speaker 2: I actually think who I think it's a tough one

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Speaker 1: But in a way that okay, Like one is for

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Speaker 2: Yes, you could say it's two sides of the same coin.

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Speaker 3: Wow, our guests just fainted. This is crazy because that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had so many that's why we always have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the body count of this podcast is rivals that

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Speaker 2: of the Iraq War.

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Speaker 2: Not saying that's good or bad. Uh. And ifar be

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Speaker 1: Iraq War? Will you guys get the rest? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You ran the social accounts for the Iraq War, I think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that's what you got to take risks,

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Speaker 1: No, And it's such a thing where it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: It had an impact, and it's being felt to this

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Speaker 4: Globally, it made a way, It made a way, made away.

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Speaker 1: All that I can say Aboutga wishes sometimes, you know

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Speaker 4: Mean, Honey, after that Oscar and performance, I know she wishes.

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Speaker 2: So why was she dressed like Jacquelynova can get on

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Speaker 2: I say that. I'm saying that as someone who worships

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Speaker 4: Twist did okay as we all as we all do.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because Lady Gaga is that she studies craft, she

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Speaker 4: the oscars as like glammed up fifties, you know, old Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: She was like, I'm not doing that. That era is done.

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Speaker 2: much like our pure Jacquelinovac, that would put her back

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Speaker 4: Honey, you know, with some fierce vocals too, just sort

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Speaker 4: something that actually we wouldn't I would that. I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: That would be more exciting.

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Speaker 2: To say that. I imagine they're like, so what are

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Speaker 1: She's like, I saw this amazing little show at cheery

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Speaker 2: But she goes, you know, this is before you know

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Speaker 2: how she loves to romanticize old New York. She's like

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Speaker 2: I mean, this was the wild downtown scene. I carried

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Speaker 4: I was on my way to Covenant to the Sacred

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Speaker 2: She's like, I was on meth, I was on bath salts,

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Speaker 2: I was on coke.

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Speaker 1: I was stripping.

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Speaker 2: I was stripping. I was stripping again in the audience.

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Speaker 2: People were staring at me. I disrupted the show and

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Speaker 2: was thrown out. But that's what we did back then.

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Speaker 4: But that's what what That's what New York was.

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Speaker 1: Life was crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, record had just started. Actually it.

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Speaker 2: Was before I was undeclared at n YU.

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Speaker 1: There was so much potential.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, well Chris how well, let's please welcome to

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Speaker 4: Thank you. It's really an honor and a privilege, an

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Speaker 4: honor and a privilege to be here. I gotta say,

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Speaker 4: I gotta say, and I do want to say your

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Speaker 4: sup versus high conversation. Yeah, I was listening, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've been here the whole time. It's not a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It's just so it's so crazy because I never thought

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Speaker 4: of this, Like SUP is so sex coded, but like

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Speaker 4: you would never say like hi, like on like scruff

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Speaker 4: so it's so sexy, and I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: Size drag is pretending, especially on a sex app. SUP

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Speaker 1: is like it's being like I don't care, like it's

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Speaker 1: sounds it's it's projecting that image that people like the

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Speaker 1: share of, Like the guy on the mattress with bottles

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Speaker 1: all over the floor, that's like if looks like this,

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Speaker 1: the dick is good, Like it's like, but don't that's

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Speaker 2: Don't you think HII is the feminine version of SUP.

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Speaker 2: I mean I imagine like a sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: a date with Jake and so exactly Jake on the

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Speaker 2: lacrosse team. He's junior varsity, but you know he has

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Speaker 2: a beautiful, gorgeous kind and so gorgeous cock. Otherwise no

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Speaker 2: prospects in life and she could do better but in

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Speaker 2: that dick. So she texts him Hi, But do you

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can see that. But to me, honestly,

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Speaker 1: that would be her friend, Like her friends would see

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Speaker 1: that and be like, girl, you can't.

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Speaker 2: You have to say what you want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're needy, Like you can't be doing that.

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Speaker 4: No, that girl doesn't text first. That girl waits for

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Speaker 4: Jake to text. That girl waits for she waits for the.

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Speaker 1: Or when she texts Jake, she's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you like the Knicks like me too, Like I always

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Speaker 2: Like wait, okay, she's waiting for Guffman or waiting for

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, the next segment has already be gone,

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Speaker 4: and I it's waiting pouring out of me.

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Speaker 2: You know you know that figure, you know that meme

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Speaker 2: that's like texting the weed man for weed or whatever, texting.

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Speaker 4: The texting this subman for SOPs. That's you know what

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Speaker 4: I've been that girl. I am that girl. I see

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Speaker 1: Are you supper? Are you high?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely. And this is so it's like embarrassing to

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Speaker 4: say I'm definitely like for sex purposes, I'm definitely suck.

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Speaker 4: Like that's definitely like I want to project that distance.

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Speaker 4: I want to be like, oh, like I like you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not emotionally invested. I have nothing writing on this,

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Speaker 4: like I don't need this, when clearly I'm on this

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Speaker 4: because I crave it more than life itself. So it's

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Speaker 4: like you gotta I'd be lying. I would love to

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Speaker 4: I'm too staved in gender roles.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny because I think SUP is more confident

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Speaker 2: like I mean, it's of course rooted in misogyny, but

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Speaker 4: Because it's rooted in misogyny, it does a lot of

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Speaker 2: You right, you are being so in that sense you

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, literally, that's sort of what's happening.

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Speaker 1: If I were to see like George, Like if I

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Speaker 1: I would message you hi, like as a joke, like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, like this is like we know each other. It's

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Speaker 2: not like an imaginer world where we don't. Oh oh

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Speaker 1: It's like that to me is like it's literally a

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Speaker 2: It is, but it's also it's it's neuded, but it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like okay, but I'll say, like, are we

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Speaker 4: the thing. Well, and that's so high as a defense mechanism.

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Speaker 4: I just that's that's what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 1: Huh huh.

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Speaker 4: It's just something to think about. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's tough. And you actually are pointing to something that

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Speaker 2: Like Sam, you were saying that you have comedy voice,

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Speaker 2: So if you did I talk about this on the

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Speaker 1: Sure because I have heard it. Well, we'll bring if

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Speaker 1: we repeat it, who cares. I think it needs to

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Speaker 2: I think we didn't it was, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: I think I have comedy voice like always, like in

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Speaker 1: it's like kind of hot, like sorry, I'm like this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, never have I ever? But I'm I'm leaning in,

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Speaker 1: Well, and then it's like like when these guys are

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Speaker 4: I think you're projecting. I don't think it takes everybody

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Speaker 4: out of it.

439
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Speaker 1: I don't.

440
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Speaker 4: I think that's what you think is happening. That's you're

441
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: the little voice.

442
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: And I also think your specific brand of comedy voice,

443
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 2: sam is kind of sexy, like I think you when

444
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: you're sort of like, no, I didn't like you'll you'll

445
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: do a sort of thing like that.

446
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: It's like it's fluty Okay, sure.

447
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't peg you. There are some girlies who have

448
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 4: like like comedy voice, like need to be hospitalized, And

449
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 4: you're not like Seth Rogen.

450
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 2: You're not Seth Rogen.

451
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: Well in bare community, Seth Brogan would have sexy voice.

452
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: That's actually one hundred true and quite frankly, I want

453
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: to have sex with him.

454
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 4: It's working everybody everybody here.

455
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well do either do you feel like you have

456
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: comedy voice? Like like you just like do you switch

457
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: when you're in a sexy situation? And are you good

458
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: at switching?

459
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 4: I'm definitely good. I'm I mean, I went to boarding school.

460
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm good at turning on like a more straight

461
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Speaker 4: like a more like less like like like like you know,

462
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Speaker 4: Sean cap Blanklyn Comedy.

463
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: You can go right to Kyle Kanane and a heartbeat totally.

464
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 4: I can drop in and I have I weaponized that.

465
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Speaker 1: You go Ron Holer yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like

466
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: to again, it's like, these are what my deepasten securities

467
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: are coming out.

468
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: I'd love to say I keep my normal voice, but no,

469
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: if I need to drop in to sort of like

470
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: reel them in, you know, honey, I'll do it.

471
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I'll do it.

472
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Speaker 4: I'll do it. I'll you know, George, you interesting.

473
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Speaker 2: I have the I have. I have a different kind

474
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 2: of comedy voice than sam because my comedy voice is

475
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: like sarcastic voice, Like it's like everything. I always sound

476
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: like I'm, you know, semi making fun of something, and

477
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: that is a huge turn off when someone is, like,

478
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: you know, let's say someone God forbid is attracted to me.

479
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: They want me to like return that favor rather than

480
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: pursuing you exactly exactly. And so I do think it's

481
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: difficult to be like, oh that feels good.

482
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Speaker 4: That was Samantha Jones, and that was like Samantha Jones.

483
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Speaker 1: I do think learning the sarcasm voice can kind of work,

484
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Speaker 1: because it's like sort of it's people like to be

485
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: to feel like you're being disdainful of them, and I

486
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: think that you're really serving that to them. Yes, so

487
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I can kind of be like you're negging or something.

488
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

489
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Speaker 4: It is true. This brings me to this other thing

490
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Speaker 4: I was just talking to like a group of actors

491
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Speaker 4: like about like okay, like like for sex, like role play,

492
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: like I don't know, like we're all like that's not

493
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 4: really like the I don't want to like play pretend.

494
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Speaker 4: I don't want to do like long form improv. Yeah,

495
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: and you know, be like a doctor and you're a

496
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Speaker 4: candy striper. I want to just sort of like I

497
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: want to be real. I want to be me, even

498
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Speaker 4: even if that's me putting on like a fake voice.

499
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Speaker 4: I feel like there's a parent like I don't know,

500
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Speaker 4: how do you? I don't know. Not to speak for

501
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 4: the comedy community, no.

502
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Speaker 2: I feel so I'm like, I am very you know,

503
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: very down to sort of be playful in a variety

504
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: of ways, or speak more aggressively or speak less aggressive, whatever.

505
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: But the idea of a full on role play where

506
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: I am playing a character is something that to this day,

507
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Speaker 2: I'm like that only happens in movies, even though I

508
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: know that's not true. I know people do it and

509
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: and people I know do it, and I've talked about

510
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: but that seems like so out of anything out outside

511
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: my sort of I've said anything that could that could

512
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Speaker 2: turn me on person.

513
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so I'm reflecting. I think if if it

514
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Speaker 1: were to go well, I could see that being so hot,

515
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: Like if everyone like nailed the role and everyone was

516
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: like properly cast and it like.

517
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: Like already got callbacks everybody else, Yeah, well we wouldn't,

518
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: and at that point we would need to bring in

519
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Speaker 2: an A twenty four, We would need to bring in

520
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: a director and intimate intimacy coordinator, a consultant sensitive sensitivity

521
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Speaker 2: reader for the script. Because I don't want to offend

522
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Speaker 2: any communities out.

523
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Speaker 4: There, absolutely, but if that were all to go perfect way.

524
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: Like I could be down. But I feel like it's

525
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Speaker 1: like you're setting yourself up for a trap, because especially

526
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Speaker 1: this is like there's no way in my life that

527
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I could be non comedic in that situation, right, And.

528
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Speaker 2: I guess that's what I'm afraid of, yes, because.

529
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Speaker 1: I even, like I've sometimes said, like my comedy origin

530
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: story is like I liked comedy, but then like when

531
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: I was in college, I was really moody, and like

532
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm gonna be like like I'm

533
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Speaker 1: going to try to write like something serious, like come on,

534
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: like let's get let's like really tap into something. And

535
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: like I was enjoying being intellectual in this way, and

536
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: I would have people read it and they would be like, oh,

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: this is so funny, and it was like, it's not

538
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: actually it's you were that.

539
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: It was you were that.

540
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, Okay, I

541
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: guess just inherently whatever I do will be funny, so

542
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I might as well lean into it.

543
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: Everyone was like this, and you're like, oh, so I'm

544
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: a genius.

545
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: I know exactly what we can't help, but I know

546
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: what you mean it I.

547
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: Do well the idea well, because here's the thing. Okay,

548
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: when you do normal improv, the goal is to get

549
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 2: a laugh, and what role playing is is improv with

550
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: a different goal. The goal is to be corny, like

551
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: the goal is to be hot, and so it is

552
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: difficult to unlearn one goal. I mean, it's like, if

553
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: I was trained as a hold on, I'm gonna come

554
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 2: up with a really good metaphor for this.

555
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: If I was, I'm waiting.

556
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: If I was I was trained only to land a plane,

557
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: but then I had to take off a plane. I'd

558
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: be like, well, I'm facing down, that's all I know.

559
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna give that. I'm gonna give that one.

560
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: Seven Doves.

561
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, White Track.

562
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: But okay, wait, wait wait I have another one. I

563
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: have another one. It's if I am if I am

564
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: uh you know, I am come de Garson, and I

565
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: am hired to literally create the US teams bathing the

566
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: swim teams bathing suits. Okay, I can't do that. I'm

567
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: trained in high fashion. They're all gonna have holes in

568
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: them and they're not going to be waterproof that we're

569
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: at least up to fourteen.

570
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: That was that was That was that.

571
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that niche. It's the eff between

572
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: high question and mains and Olympic sports and Olympic sports.

573
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: Ralph Tom guar Song got hired to build the swimsuits

574
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: for the Olympics.

575
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: Olympics. Yeah, okay, that's the base reality of the scene.

576
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah we're talking world building then, yeah, that's the impetus

577
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: of the drama that's about to occur in this I'll

578
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: say it comedy.

579
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: So they made a pitch, they said, we're pitching this

580
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: swimsuit style that sort of thinking like you know, we're

581
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: probably not going to land this account because like it's

582
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: not our vibe, but we should at least pitch.

583
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: And then they're like, you're thinking of it wrong. They

584
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: didn't the United States. The United States national team went

585
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: to them and they were like, make the swimsuits.

586
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: Okay, so they and it's fucked from obscurity exactly. We're

587
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: sort of okay.

588
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: And it's like that thing where like back in the

589
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: day before the Bill of Rights or whatever, when you

590
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: used to have if a soldier went to your house

591
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and asked to stay there, you had to let them stay.

592
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: That's what we still have a but for but for Olympics.

593
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: Also like hey, I'm sure that's more money than I mean, yes,

594
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Komna Garsna is a worse an iconic brand, but they're

595
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: not getting deals level of the United States swim team.

596
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that's a big account they've landed. They're not.

597
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: But there's account.

598
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: It was like it's not even that big of an account,

599
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: Like there aren't that many swimmers.

600
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: There's like there's.

601
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: Really not that many.

602
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: Has a really good swim team, so they're gonna win

603
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: gold medals, so you're gonna see your design like on

604
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: the run, on the metal stand getting a repeatedly getting

605
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: gold medals, but you don't really.

606
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: Have to control. That's not a guarantee. I don't know.

607
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: The problem is the problem is like reputationally for call

608
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: me Jarson, there's a lot at stake, there's.

609
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: A lot of shut and they're not equipped to do

610
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: They're not equipped to execute eve though it feels like

611
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: why would they get picked and they're not equipped to

612
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: execute it?

613
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: It Also they will actually like even if they don't

614
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: work well and they don't function well, if they look

615
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: amazing when they're on the stand, then they've done their job.

616
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I need to think of a better metap.

617
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: I don't even remember what this was an analogy for.

618
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: This is about improv.

619
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: This is about if you are used to using improv

620
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: for laps, but now you have to use it for horniness,

621
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: which is like, so you're you're trained in one way,

622
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: you're trained in one way.

623
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, wait, I do have a thing. Okay wait

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: even in improv training to bring it back a little bit, yeah,

625
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to bring it back right, Like I feel like the

626
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, you know, don't try to be funny,

627
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: like you. If you act grounded and normal in the scene,

628
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: inevitably something weird will happen. And the point is to

629
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: like point that weird thing out and then like expand

630
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: upon it. And I feel like that's sort of where

631
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I flop in a role playing situation, because I wouldn't

632
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: be able to like, inevitably there would be a point

633
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: where somebody would do something wrong and it would be like, well,

634
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: if you're a doctor, you wouldn't actually say that, And

635
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: then it's like do I just do I ignore it?

636
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: Look it? Or do you? Or do you are do you?

637
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: Or do you call it out? Or you see something

638
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: say something.

639
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah or yeah yeah.

640
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: No that's really true.

641
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: No, I just can't get over it. I'm back to

642
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: the company, gertain they would they would know, they would

643
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: know how to make a swimsuit. Probably.

644
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: I really think that you guys like are not understanding that.

645
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good analogy.

646
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm still working through it. I'm so processing it.

647
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: They were trained in one thing, I mean they're they're

648
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: trained in one thing and they have to do another thing.

649
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: This is person good.

650
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: They've never worked with the water, I mean they've worked

651
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: with water materials, but like not to that level, not

652
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: to this level, not a level.

653
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the high there's swim suits.

654
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, you know it's it's a

655
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Japanese brand. It would be controversial, controversial choice for the

656
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: US to pick them anyway. And so there's a lot

657
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Speaker 2: to live up to.

658
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: There's a lot, just like when we have sex with

659
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: people and are doing exactly that's actually okay, it's okay, okay,

660
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: so we're actually okay, we're all aligned. That actually made

661
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: that was perfect, That was.

662
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: Really that was really good.

663
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: So after the raging success of that, should we do

664
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: our first segment? Yes?

665
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: Please, I am so down.

666
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay. Our first segment, Chris, as you know, is called

667
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: straight Shooters, and in this segment, we test your familiarity

668
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: with and complicity and straight culture by asking you a

669
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: series of rapid fire questions where we have to choose

670
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: one thing or another thing. And the one rule is

671
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: you can ask any follow up questions about how the

672
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: game works. Do you copy?

673
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: Okay? I do copy, And I don't know what I'm

674
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: gonna do, but I'm excited. I'm excited to be here.

675
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: I always think that I know, but I don't know.

676
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Sam, take it away, Okay, Chris flipping the bird or

677
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: missing your herd, Missing your herd Chris, gender trouble by

678
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: Judith Butler, or being in a filter bubble and not

679
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: knowing Austin Butler.

680
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: Gotta go being in a filter.

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Speaker 1: Bubble, okay, Chris, we need to talk about Kevin or

682
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: the problem with a pooh.

683
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: We need to talk about Kevin.

684
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, yeah, Chris, New Jersey or new rules

685
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: by Dua Lipa.

686
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: Oh honey, you know I'm gonna go on New Jersey

687
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: every day.

688
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.

689
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: I thought, Ris, it's from New Jersey. Yeah, it's in

690
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: your briefing packet.

691
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Pride about it though, Okay, Chris being a backwards hat

692
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: gay or being a painting your nails straight.

693
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, backwards hat gay. We need to return

694
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: to that.

695
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: That's tough, Chris.

696
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: The liberty bell or the literal hell of going to

697
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: the friggin airport.

698
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: So true, the literal hell of the airport.

699
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: The literal okay, Chris feeling your fantasy or numbing your

700
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: gums and teeth in preparation for surgery.

701
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 4: Wow, oh my god, I just had five cavities filled.

702
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: That's I should not have said that on the record,

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: but numbing, rennible, thank you, thank you. They're in the

704
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: weird places.

705
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: But Chris, okay, oh this one is this one is

706
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: avant garde. Okay, majoring in textile at Parsons or rebooting

707
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: The X Files starring Zara Larsen.

708
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, h Parsons. I'm gonna go Parsons School

709
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 4: of Design. Yeah.

710
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: Wow, don't you think majoring in textiles at Parsons a

711
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: phrase I just sort of came up with just sounds like, yeah,

712
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: I should do that, the.

713
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: Most glamorous thing a person can do. Yeah, if you have.

714
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight, I majored in textiles a Persons.

715
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so lovely. It's very like, oh yeah, I

716
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: don't like, I don't exist like in the time that

717
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: you guys exist.

718
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Even just saying the word textiles, I would say textiles

719
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: is one of the most beautiful words one can say

720
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: in the English language.

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00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're just.

722
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: Saying for a daughter, my daughter, textiles, my beautiful daughter textiles.

723
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: Also, just like, okay, if I were the person that

724
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: majored in textiles at Parsons, like I feel like my

725
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: friend would be sort of complained to me about like

726
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: social media, and I'd just sort of be like, oh, yeah,

727
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: that suff doesn't really bother me.

728
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: It's one of those literal hand in hand with the

729
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: Austin Butler bubble filter. That's what. Yeah, sort of like

730
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: there are two sides on the same point. I'll say it.

731
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Also, it also goes sort of hand and hand with

732
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: the company garzonn thing, because what if you managed in

733
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: textiles at Parsons, but then we're tasked with making the

734
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: bathing suits for the United States swim team. You're trained

735
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: in something different.

736
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: Oh my, you know what, you know, I'm gonna give

737
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: that to you. I am actually I'm gonna hand that.

738
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hand that.

739
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: That actually maybe makes more sense than the comedy Garconic example.

740
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: Actually, the comb Garson example made so much sense though,

741
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: Thank you.

742
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: We both were so on board. Wait wait is it over? Wait?

743
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: I will say it's so weird to do that segment

744
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: and not have the little music going like, wow, it's.

745
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Behind the curtain, babe, And don't say that because the

746
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: music will be there when people are listening to it,

747
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: so they'll be like, what is he talking about? I

748
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: can hear the music now?

749
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: I seem crazy. Actually, I I look crazy. But it

750
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: was very orienting. I was for me, and I should

751
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: have known that. I should have been prepared for that.

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: Sam, What would you give Chris? Oh hmmm, let me think.

753
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Let me think on that. Okay, I'm gonna think as well.

754
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: I think we're both gonna think on it.

755
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: We need to take all your time.

756
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: I think it is giving. It's definitely between seven hundred

757
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: and nine hundred.

758
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Let's say I think seven hundred and sixty two doves.

759
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Okay, that feels a little low. I'm gonna

760
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say I'm.

761
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah recently, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam, Sam, Sam, I just

762
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: want to say, you have been really good at crits recently.

763
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been. I've been really reading. Okay, So, Chris,

764
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: I felt like, obviously there was a confidence and I

765
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: like that you know how the game works, and that

766
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: was really cool. But for our previous conversation, I felt

767
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: like there was a certain energy where it almost felt

768
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: like a fan contest. You know, It's sort of there

769
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: was sort of a you weren't a sup gay in

770
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: this moment. You were a high gag.

771
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god. You never want to be a fan.

772
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: That's really that's actually the okay, that's the rudest thing

773
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: that I've ever it was ever said to be.

774
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about your performance, Chris, is you

775
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: could tell that you knew how the game worked, and

776
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: therefore there was not a sense of jois de vive

777
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: in your because you know, you knew exactly you You

778
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: obviously knew not to ask me follow up questions. You

779
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: obviously knew to like answer within a specific time and

780
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: not say too much else. You know, there was a

781
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: tracy flick quality you knew. Wow, yeah, you were. You

782
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: were like, I know how to do this, and I'm

783
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: going to excel and guess what it fucking blew up

784
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: in your face.

785
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 4: I well, okay, you know what this is. I think

786
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: George is still bad about come to Grissan, I redeem myself.

787
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: Georgie is still mad about that.

788
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: Redeem myself that.

789
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: Affected my score. And I'm going on the record of

790
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: saying that too. Of course, of course I get pedalized

791
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: for being too paired, to knowledgeable, too smart to to

792
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: too wonderful. And you know what, I resent that, and

793
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: I resent both of you.

794
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: And I can just tell you matriculated from elite institutions,

795
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: and we are a podcast of the people and oh yeah,

796
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

797
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: I mean you're part of the elite media proletariat of course. Yes,

798
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: this is where we're Okay, that's what we're doing. You know.

799
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Here I be truthful and really speak our minds exactly.

800
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: For out the Veneer without the sheet. You know, I don't,

801
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: I actually do. I do. I hear. I hear the criticism.

802
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: You know, I can only I can only do better

803
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: next time if I'm given the chance, and you know,

804
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: I'll take the times that I've been given.

805
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: And it's quite a few.

806
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a normal person. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

807
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: you're perfect. Yeah, over achiever.

808
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: It's like you're doing toxic You're doing a hustle culture

809
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: and you have to stop.

810
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: You have to stop, you need to slow down. You're

811
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like stressed out, you're giving yourself ulcers.

812
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: The best little boy in the world, syndrama's happenings, and hear.

813
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: Your heart beating from here.

814
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: You know, I love having It's so nice to have

815
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: a friend on the podcast, because when you have people

816
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: that you don't know that well, you I feel uncomfortable

817
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: being straight up rude to them. But when it's a friend.

818
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: When it's a friend, you can be like, you know

819
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: what whatever, But this.

820
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: Is what I'm talking about. Wow, And this is what

821
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: I was talking about with me and flirting is like

822
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: I would do that to someone I just met and

823
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: they'd be like, Okay, hey, you don't like me, relax.

824
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: And me being a fan, I'm like, oh my god, wait, Sam,

825
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, we're friends and that's me and that's me

826
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: being a fan and a friend. And that's the worst

827
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 4: thing a person could be. Wow.

828
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: It really is it?

829
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: Really? It really is.

830
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: Randomly, should we get into our topic?

831
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it is of the utmost importance.

832
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: So that you came here with a topic today that

833
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: is actually huge because it's something that we have been

834
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: wanting to speak on. Yeah, so I would love for

835
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: you to tell us what your topic is and tell

836
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: us what led you to it today.

837
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: Okay, so I do want to. I'm gonna say, please

838
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: let the record show I was not an overachiever here.

839
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: I did not know they wanted to speak on this.

840
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: I just came up with this on my own, all right.

841
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with my Tracy Flick energy

842
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: at all. And I do feel that this topic might

843
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: be literally too big to even get into. I don't

844
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 4: even think we can really possibly unpack in the short

845
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: time that we have together. But I do think a

846
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: hallmark of straight culture and just something that like I

847
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: want to unpack because I don't I don't fully even

848
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: understand it is marketing and or advertising? Yeah, it's it's

849
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: it's so much. There's so much there. Honestly, I'll say it.

850
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: I don't know the difference. What is marketing versus advertising?

851
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 4: They seem to be the same thing, but I feel

852
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: like they have different names, so they have to be different.

853
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Well, marketing as girls and advertising as boys.

854
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well marketing is also wait, hold on, is

855
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: gay is a gay guy marketing or advertising?

856
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: No, a gay guy marketing? A gay guy is marketing?

857
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 4: Which is which is a girl?

858
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: So that which is a girl?

859
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

860
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're right.

861
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: You're right.

862
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 2: Thankfully, the ground where we built is solid.

863
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: That's dichotomy that I have no questions about. But I

864
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: do feel that they're used interchangeably, but they are different.

865
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: But like it really and I also think, and this

866
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: is something that I as a gay man, I'm going

867
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: to say this, I don't think marketing and or advertising

868
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: works on me, like I don't see an ad and

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: I'm like I need it, do you know what I mean?

870
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: Well that you know of that, you know I feel

871
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: that way, Chris, I used to feel that way.

872
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 4: That they don't.

873
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Recent times they've figured me out in a way that

874
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: is like kind of insane.

875
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: What is getting to you? What is like? Because it's

876
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 4: like it's like I get it, Like it's the back

877
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: marketing and advertising. It's the backbunt of our nation. There's nothing,

878
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: there's no money without it, Like that's the only way

879
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: to make money I think in today's society, which is well.

880
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: Because it's all a uh what's the word. It's like

881
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: all an MLM scheme, like there is nothing actually being

882
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: marketed or advertised. It's just there. It's just sort of

883
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: air pockets of air that's like here, this, this, this, this,

884
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: and suddenly the banks are failing.

885
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: And suddenly and suddenly Silicone Valley Bank and I don't

886
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: understand it. It's like I want somebody to explain to

887
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 4: me why am that? Like, because I don't think I

888
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 4: don't think it works. I think of it as like okay,

889
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: mad men culture. And then it's like now it's like

890
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: even the gay ads, like the like the RuPaul's Drag

891
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: Race Bubbly ads which are like gay and it's like

892
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: Jinx Monsoon and it's like our you know, our girlies,

893
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: our favorite dragqueens, and like that also feels straight to

894
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: me because it feels like they're weaponizing gayness in order

895
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: to appeal to me, to steal my money.

896
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: It's all So I have a theory about this and

897
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: about why advertising is straight. Are you ready?

898
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: Oh? I'm ready?

899
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So advertising is basically applied psychology. You could argue

900
00:43:54,239 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: it is like weaponizing psychological uh attributes that people have

901
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: have in order to sell them products. Now, psychology traditionally

902
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: is female and gay coded. But then someone went in,

903
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: But then someone went in and said, how can we

904
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: monetize that? And that is what's straight about.

905
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stop you for a second because I think

906
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: you've made a big leap to say psychology is female

907
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: and gay coded. I'm thinking about I think psychology, I

908
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 4: think Freud, I think young, I think I don't well, yeah,

909
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: Freud is gay coded, and but also I don't know.

910
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: But also he's like all women have hysteria. Sure, Okay,

911
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: so I think you just would need to judge and

912
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: also queer coded because his answer to everything is like

913
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: you want to fuck your head?

914
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is all. It is very it is yes,

915
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 4: sex for word. Okay, I think that's that's fair. You

916
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: can keep going. I think that's fair.

917
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Don't you think I understand?

918
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: What? Of course?

919
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: I think there is an argument to be made that

920
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: Freud is extremely straight. When something is Freudian, that is gay.

921
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: Freudian slip is gay.

922
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Well, it's at least other, it's at least like, oh,

923
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: you're sexually de you are something wrong.

924
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: I guess that's what it is. Yeah, it's it's actually

925
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: not that compli. It's literally like the idea of Freud

926
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: brings to mind sexual devians aka LGBTQ.

927
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: Plus outside of outside Exactly, you're outside of polite society.

928
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: You belong over there, stay over there. But that's like

929
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 4: the exact opposite of advertising, because advertising is all about

930
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: selling polite society is getting people to join a mob,

931
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: conform a blob, a corporation, to everybody do the same thing.

932
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 4: That's what ads. Ads want everyone to buy one thing,

933
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 4: which feels so straight to me, I think, isn't that marketing.

934
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: One thing I think why ads maybe don't work on

935
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: us potentially, Okay, here's a theory. Straight people don't have

936
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: shame around buying stuff. Like straight people love to be like,

937
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: oh I got this at Target, whereas I think gay

938
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: people like to pretend they've they are the only person

939
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: that has it. They like to pretend they've always had

940
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: it and that they didn't just discover it two weeks

941
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: ago and no.

942
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: One told them about it, and they were the only one.

943
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: They were the only person to know about it. It's

944
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: so real. I honestly just say, every every piece of

945
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: clothing I say, I just say it's thrifted. And I

946
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 4: don't know that's true. I know, I definitely don't.

947
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: You're like, oh it's thrifted, Well it's vintage, I got

948
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: it four days ago.

949
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: It has to be Oh it's that need. It's exactly.

950
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean.

951
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing that makes advertising and marketing

952
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: and or who knows so straight, is that the queer

953
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: people need to be individual alone, specific, bespoke and whatnot,

954
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: and advertising is about the masses. But then there's a

955
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: complication because like we're like, influencing is basically advertising. Is

956
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: that like queer advertising.

957
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, I okay, I think it is. You know, how

958
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's the decline of the straight men.

959
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: I do feel like are like a bit lost right now.

960
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: It's like, what is our role in society? How do

961
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: we safely express ourselves? And I do think that is

962
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: very visible in the decline of advertising. George and I

963
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: talked about this before, where it's like ads did used

964
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: to at least have a confidence to them. They at

965
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: least like projected sort of a knowing.

966
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: I mean it's mad men, it's mad man, I mean

967
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: and lost.

968
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, now straightmen are lost. It's like, oh, this is

969
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: like I'm a like a They hire like a teen

970
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: boy to hold his phone in his room and be like, yeah,

971
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: I stink. That's why it's like shot shittily and it's

972
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: like edited horribly and it's sort of like, yeah, it's

973
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: just lost. It doesn't know how.

974
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: To Let me tell you something. We've gone from mad

975
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 2: men to soy boys, and it is a bad time.

976
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 4: We save masculinity, say that, say that there, we're in crisis.

977
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 4: It's a crisis. It's a crisis here.

978
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: But it's also like something again that when we were

979
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: talking about like the mad Men of it all is

980
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: like advertising was also a safe way for straight men

981
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: to be creative. It's like you're creative, Oh god, don't

982
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: be don't be a performance artist, don't be a cabaret performer.

983
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: Here what can you do? Make ads?

984
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: Make ads, which is really kind of gay, honestly, Yes,

985
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: making little portraits to like get your friends to buy pants.

986
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 4: That's really fun.

987
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: Yes, literally literally.

988
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 4: That's that's such a good point.

989
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: I do think there's something too where it's like ads

990
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: are like like in the mad Men setting, you're sort

991
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I'm almost removed from society. Like I

992
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: see it as the matrix. I see that you are

993
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: being told to buy these things. God, they don't work

994
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: on me. Yeah, it's God complex. But it's like I

995
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: am actually the one that can manipulate anyone, like just

996
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: try me, give me, come up with something.

997
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: But now I think it's shifted because like now queer

998
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: people like we're like, I'm like, ads don't work. I

999
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: have the God complex. I'm like, ads don't work on

1000
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: me because I'm removed from society and I see everything

1001
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: more presentational.

1002
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: I think in your mind, ads don't work on you,

1003
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: but you are buying stuff. It's more like you like

1004
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: like to you like to be knowing about ads and

1005
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: be like, well they don't work on but yeah I

1006
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: bought a shirt, like yeah, I'm paying attention to trends,

1007
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Like mean, yeah.

1008
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: You wouldn't. Yeah, you wouldn't. Necessarily You're still aware of

1009
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: what's cool and what's not. And you think about that

1010
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: as you're getting dressed in the morning, as you're presenting yourself.

1011
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: I mean, and that is and that is average, and

1012
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: we're saying that's advertising, we're gonna give that, We're going

1013
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: to give that to I feel like we're giving a

1014
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 4: lot away to advertising and marketing if we're saying that,

1015
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: like I mean, I.

1016
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: Mean, think about something like a tel far bag m

1017
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: Like you can say you're immune to advertising, but like

1018
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: and marketing, but that that is that that became a

1019
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: fetish object like something.

1020
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not through ads, but it did. It was

1021
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: through like even the absence of ads, which is a

1022
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: choice to advertise, but.

1023
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: Also through marketing. Because in my mind, I mean, maybe

1024
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: this is wrong, but in my mind it's like marketing

1025
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: is a marketing is like descent dominating some thing, or

1026
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: like marketing is like a marketing strategy, whereas advertising is

1027
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: like an advertisement like you are designing.

1028
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, a marketing thing could be like an event. It

1029
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 4: could be like.

1030
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: Right like so, which is why it's gay of course,

1031
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: because it's experience based, like you're going, you're going.

1032
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: It's a performance to the activation.

1033
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: Sponsored by fizzy water La. Yeah, in l a fizzy water,

1034
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: and that makes it fizzy water on our We're washing

1035
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 2: our face with fizzy water.

1036
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 4: Guess what if somebody's served me an ad for that,

1037
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: I'd be like no way, and then probably five days

1038
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 4: later I'd start doing it. And that's the thing that

1039
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: I am struggling with in terms of marketing and advertising.

1040
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: And that makes sense that advertising as a physical ad

1041
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: is like that, you know, being like the physical thing,

1042
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: because that's very straight. It's very like, you know, like

1043
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 4: I have like something to hold, like a hammer, like

1044
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: I have an AD in my hand. But I do

1045
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 4: feel like even though ads, I do think it's like

1046
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 4: there's straight coded. I feel like the the people, like

1047
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 4: the most famous advertisements are all gay as how like

1048
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: flow is a lesbian I think we I think we

1049
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: cann't no, no, I know what you're saying. The get go.

1050
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: I think that is fruity as hell.

1051
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: He kind of seems the get go.

1052
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: No, the get go's gay.

1053
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: The get go is gay, the get go is definitely gay.

1054
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: You know who's straight? This is controversial because he's so.

1055
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: But I think just then long in Apple ads, that's

1056
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: straight to me, that is very that is very straight,

1057
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: And I think, can you hear me now?

1058
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: Guy?

1059
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: Straight?

1060
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: Can I say this? Do you know who also was

1061
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 4: straight but was gay but was straight? Jared the Subway

1062
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: guy that was very straight.

1063
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 2: The way Chris? That was going to be my go

1064
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: to example, and I was like, maybe not now, and

1065
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: I last changed it to the can you hear me now?

1066
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: Guy? Okay? That means that I was onto something you

1067
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: might got That.

1068
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Mean you're you're not afraid to be provocative, You're being

1069
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: to be brought being the United States.

1070
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 4: I'm safe and I'm being and I've and I've been

1071
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: come to Garzan, I've been I was being so come

1072
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: to gars On in that moment, so please forgive me.

1073
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 4: But but many of these people are many of the

1074
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 4: ads that, aside flow the get go like the Cheetos guy,

1075
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: like the Cheeto, the the Cheeto guy, Tony the Tiger

1076
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: maybe straight but like I don't know, there they they

1077
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: have they have baggy energy, let's say it. And I

1078
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: think your point George about like how like this was

1079
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: the way for like straight guys to like sort of

1080
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 4: like zi it up, like let their hair down and

1081
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: let their freak flag fly. That's why we that's why,

1082
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: that's when. That's when when men were closeted and making advertisements,

1083
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: that's when ads were good.

1084
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that is that's genius. No, it's like it

1085
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: comes from the tension of it's like the subliminal Oh god,

1086
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: it's like it comes from literally the tension of them

1087
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: not being able to fully express themselves through art. So

1088
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: they're like, well, I better fucking get this advertisement right

1089
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: otherwise I will off myself.

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00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: Well literally, that's it. That actually is. I think that's

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00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 4: actually really true.

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00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: I think that so much like there's also so much

1093
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: like sexual subliminal messages in messaging and advertisements, which I

1094
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: know people it's like if you talk like a right

1095
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: wing person or whatever, they'll be like they'll say it's intentional,

1096
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: but I genuinely don't. I think it's someone's like Freudian.

1097
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: It's like why is like in some of the camel

1098
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: cigarette adds the camel is literally sexy, and you're like,

1099
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: why did you make the camel sexy?

1100
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: What was it? What about that was gonna make me

1101
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: buy a cigarette? But yet it must have it worked.

1102
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: We're also pointing to something where I'm like, like people that,

1103
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: like people that go to like an office every day

1104
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: from like nine to six. I'm like, what happens when

1105
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: you get horny in the middle of the day and

1106
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: you still have to work?

1107
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: Like, right, well, they have three martinis and then sexually

1108
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: harassment secretaries especially.

1109
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 4: Really what yeah and knock them up? That's actually literally

1110
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: what happened?

1111
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Wait it does? I feel like the sexuality in the ads,

1112
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, they were horny at the office,

1113
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Like that's not their fault.

1114
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had to get out. They had to get

1115
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 4: it out somewhere. So it was either you know, and

1116
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 4: once again sexually harassed very much so that culture.

1117
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 2: They also had to make the ads weirdly horning.

1118
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 4: They had to get it out. Oh god. I mean

1119
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: it's like, will there ever be like a return to

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00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 4: that like that day that I mean of like good

1121
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: advertisements and like of like mad Men era, like you know,

1122
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: like just like straight men, you know, kill into the

1123
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: game with their ass.

1124
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Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder because we I mean, okay, this

1125
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: sort of must bring us to discussing a little bit

1126
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: present day, like almost like millennial oriented advertising. I mean,

1127
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of I literally have a photo of this

1128
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: on my phone. Uh. I want to say it was

1129
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: probably twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I was visiting New York.

1130
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: I didn't live here yet, and I took a photo

1131
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: of a Seamless ad that said it was like times

1132
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: when you should order food, like you know, when it's

1133
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: like two, you know, you don't want to go outside

1134
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: or whatever. And one of them said the phrase it

1135
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: is hotter outside than a twerking unicorn, like a completely

1136
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: nonsensical it was when you remember when like the idea

1137
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: of towrking was a punchline. Yeah I tried torking.

1138
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it was tumbler humor.

1139
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, tumbler humor.

1140
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: Yes, that's random, that's random humor, random random, Like eh, God,

1141
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: but that's like, but like that must have worked, Like

1142
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 4: that probably worked, which is so sad.

1143
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, seamless was like the caing Like seamless was, you know,

1144
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: back to the earlier conversation like the BuzzFeed like it

1145
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: led to such a dark trend in advertising, and it

1146
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: even they all did the same like drawing style. I

1147
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: don't know what you call that, but there's a name

1148
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: for it. That's like the millennial blank and then.

1149
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: Like comic sans esque like.

1150
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, like simple cartoony well, and the copy being so aggressive,

1151
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: very actively being like, yeah, we're not your dad's advertisement,

1152
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: like we say fuck, even though they didn't.

1153
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: But basically, so would you say then that there are

1154
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: two schools of advertising or of yeah, of advertising that

1155
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: directly correlate to the too famous apocalyptic eth thought, car

1156
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: Humanity and BuzzFeed, Yes, exactly.

1157
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: So which one is?

1158
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: So?

1159
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: Which one is a way so seamless as BuzzFeed.

1160
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: Because cars gets humanity is like we're not your dad's

1161
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: advertising company, we curse. And then BuzzFeed, No, it doesn't

1162
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: directly correlate because then where would you put a hymns

1163
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: ad ah, that's still that's buzzfeedsfeed. Yeah, but BuzzFeed is

1164
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 2: very like, uh, it's so in your face, Like there's

1165
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: something about the minimalist millennial aesthetic of like that the

1166
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: pale pink, the helvetica, fond.

1167
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: That's very thigs. It's like you see the end of

1168
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: those figs, like all those ads on the subway for.

1169
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: Like literally scrub rubs.

1170
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not.

1171
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 4: That many people need scrubs. I think, like I thought

1172
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: were a doctor shortage.

1173
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like thirty doctors. There's as US Olympic.

1174
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: Smers wearing come to garcan exact same amount.

1175
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if you were a doctor and you were

1176
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: approached to design the US Olympic swim uniform by come

1177
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: to Garzan, Like that would be really difficult.

1178
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: The big example is like, so that's another thing. I'm like,

1179
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: who are you marketing for? Like what like that feels oh,

1180
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: you're right, like but it also has that aesthetic of

1181
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: like sleek and minimal and you know, well.

1182
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: The sleek and minimal thing. It also points to, Okay,

1183
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: the main sort of uh value proposition of a direct

1184
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 2: to consumer brand like Casper, like the Scrubs brand whatever

1185
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: is like is like the world is complicated and chaotic.

1186
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: Don't even venture out there like everything. Have you ever

1187
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: tried buying a mattress? Like millions of people die trying

1188
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: every year, Like you can't, no one could ever or

1189
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: do it? Like with your anxiety and your a d D.

1190
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: How could you ever? So you have to. So I'm

1191
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: making everything simple. It's like fetishizing lack of choice and simplicity.

1192
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: George, you know what I call this. This is the

1193
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: Willy wonkafication of modern society. And it's happening all over Brooklyn.

1194
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: Everything is a game. Everything is for children. Everyone is

1195
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: a toddler, right, It's like there's everything every it's it's all.

1196
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 4: So it's so simple because we're not adulted, because men

1197
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 4: aren't men anymore, let's say, right exactly, we're all babies

1198
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: running around Brooklyn. There's this store, the Nuts Factory, that

1199
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 4: opened like down the street from me, that I'm so

1200
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: obsessed with hating. It looks like it's for It's like

1201
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: it has like wheels that turn, like for children. It's

1202
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: just like a big store for nuts. Nobody likes nuts

1203
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: that much that nobody.

1204
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: That's actually gonna make you scream and squeal.

1205
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: We were both introduced to that store by Alison Roman.

1206
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: No No why because why when she was a chefs

1207
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: and she's supposed to be a chef.

1208
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: No, no, she's not. She wasn't like either, you know,

1209
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't think she was positive or negative about it.

1210
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: She was just informing us of its grand but she

1211
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: was nuts neutral. Yeah, she was nuts neutral, And I'm.

1212
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: Nuts negative because that is a symptom of the willy wanting.

1213
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: We don't need nuts that bad. Everything doesn't need to

1214
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 4: know delivered to her homes like made easy. Something should

1215
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: be hard.

1216
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: You know, when you like have a goal when you're

1217
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: like seventeen and you like don't achieve it, and you're

1218
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: like twenty five and you're like, oh, I'm kind of

1219
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: glad I didn't achieve that, because that's embarrassing. I feel

1220
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: like that's what like all of Brooklyn is now. And

1221
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: it's like, no, we weren't actually like that idea was

1222
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: cool when I was twenty two, Like I'm thirty three,

1223
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: Like that's not cool now, and like you weren't supposed

1224
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: to listen to me and like cater to me. You're

1225
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: supposed to be catering to like a thirty five year

1226
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: old because but it's I'm stupid.

1227
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 4: That's what it's happening now. And now we're like age

1228
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: out of it. But it's like it's it's proliferating, it's everywhere,

1229
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: and there's no there's no quarter. It's like you either

1230
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 4: have to live in I'm sorry, it's like and some

1231
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: of us, I don't want to live in Bushwick to

1232
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: like feel like I'm an adult. I don't want to

1233
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: live a far away and like and be and like

1234
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: and that's just not for me. It's like you either

1235
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 4: have to live there or like to feel like a

1236
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 4: real person. Or it's like every every avenue it's chuck

1237
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 4: E cheese or like an arts and crafts wine bar,

1238
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: so you can, you know, do some fun activity instead

1239
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 4: of just getting a fucking drink like a normal person.

1240
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it.

1241
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: And then that's the same part of it.

1242
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: Yes, no, But it's also like it's creating. I mean,

1243
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: this is a hallmark of all advertising basically, but it's

1244
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: like creating problems where there are none, like trying to

1245
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: convince you that going to the grocery store is the

1246
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: most harrowing possible experience one could have. So we need

1247
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: to innovate now because people are dying. Like, okay, actually no,

1248
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: it's fine.

1249
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: This is where I have to admit that I literally

1250
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: still subscribe to Blue Apron because I am twenty two,

1251
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: and that is part of the problem, and that is

1252
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 4: so that is shock. Shock. That is really that sort

1253
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: of complicates everything that I've said.

1254
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: And that's where you draw the line, like it's like

1255
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: you're so smart, you're not affected by advertising, and you

1256
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: subscribe to Blue Apron.

1257
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: I should never have said anything. It's really and it's really,

1258
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 4: it's really, it's it's it's hard for me.

1259
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: That's where that's I mean, Chris, the pandemic really stunted

1260
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot of.

1261
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 4: Us stunted growth. We're stunted. It's exactly. It's but that's

1262
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: what it is, and that's my that's my cross to

1263
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 4: bear in regards to this this journey. And we all

1264
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: have we can all have one all get one thing,

1265
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: one thing.

1266
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: Yes, like we can all be baby in one area

1267
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: of our lives.

1268
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 4: Really, how are you? How are you baby?

1269
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great baby.

1270
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm all baby baby.

1271
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: How are your baby? Because I will say I am

1272
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 4: Blue Apron baby.

1273
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: That is you know that My biggest baby thing actually

1274
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: is that like if I like put lotion on, like

1275
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: within an hour of like a meal or anything, like,

1276
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: I'll be like, well, I can't do the dishes, like

1277
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: I can't because I just put lotion on. Like it's

1278
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: so dry and again.

1279
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: That is so specific your baby for loshada, But I

1280
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 4: but you need.

1281
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: My hands get so dry with the soap in the water.

1282
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: In the winter to come on.

1283
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: Here's how I'm I feel like every single time I

1284
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: have to go to a formal event. And I'm not

1285
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: talking about like you know, a big premiere. I'm talking

1286
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: about a wedding, like just a normal formal event, I

1287
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: without fail find myself that day going to buy a shirt.

1288
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: And it's like, at this point in your life, you

1289
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: should have like you should not have to be like

1290
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: calling out of work sick to go to go to

1291
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: wear it at like a christening, Like yeah, every time

1292
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: I have to it's like I'm going to somewhere where

1293
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: there's no way around it, and I have to be

1294
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: wearing a suit, nice shoes, about a shirt, maybe a

1295
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: tie somehow It's like, well, I haven't done my dry

1296
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: cleaning while I like I no longer fit into this shirt,

1297
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: Like this suit that I have is dirty because I

1298
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: keep saying I'm gonna watch it and it's been seven years.

1299
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Speaker 4: Not to be the meme that's like you know, my

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 4: parents at thirty five, like exactly, you have another kid

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 4: and like buy a house and be like, how do

1302
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 4: I tie a bow tie? But like literally I just

1303
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 4: like like did the same the same thing happened to me.

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01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: The way I this is actually humiliating, the way I

1305
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: occasionally still like have to remember how to tie a tie,

1306
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: Like I never fully internalized how to tie a tie.

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Speaker 4: Oh never never never never never never never never never

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: never never, And like a regular tie like that, I

1309
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 4: can sort of do a bow t I forget it.

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: And then for work I had to like wear a

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: bow tie like at for like you know, the Oscar party,

1312
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 4: and I was like, wait, I'm gonna be on camera

1313
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 4: and like I literally brought something that I cannot physically

1314
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 4: put together by myself. Yeah, and that I had to

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01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 4: go ask someone to physically at the hotel time my

1316
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 4: boat tide. I was like, that's probably not good. That's

1317
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 4: probably maybe I hate the nuts Factory because I see

1318
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 4: too much of myself in sort of of society. And

1319
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 4: I got it. Maybe that's actually a breakthrough that I'm

1320
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 4: having in real time that I don't I don't like

1321
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 4: about myself.

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Speaker 2: Do you think like when the shopping mall was invented,

1323
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: bitchy gay guys were like what are we babies. We

1324
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: can go to the main street and shop.

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 4: We can go to the tailor, we can go to

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: the cobbler, we can go to the hat store. That

1327
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 4: is such a That is actually God. I guess maybe

1328
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 4: it's just the society just keeps changing no matter what,

1329
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 4: we're losing something, We're losing something important.

1330
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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember when you found out that people

1331
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: were actually buying stuff off of Instagram?

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sam, You're this is such an important

1333
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: point because there was when you were like there were acts.

1334
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: I was like, well, obviously I'm not buying something.

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: Never, I'm I don't even know how to do that.

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm seeing people wearing the Instagram shirt, I'm seeing people

1337
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: wearing the Instagram hat, and I'm saying, wait, people are

1338
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: literally clicking by now and they're using this to shop.

1339
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: And it was like, are they right or am I right?

1340
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: And it was truly like am I getting left behind?

1341
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: Or are they completely correct?

1342
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 4: I am never on the forefront of that type of culture,

1343
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 4: Like people just like do just buy, They just like

1344
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 4: adopt new things so fast, and that's not me. I

1345
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 4: can't do that. So like that sort of like I

1346
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: like that took a while. But then you know what,

1347
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 4: I did buy two pairs of shorts off Instagram and

1348
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 4: they were great.

1349
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: And off Instagram, and I love it.

1350
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: What is going on here? I thought we were all

1351
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: on the same page. Wait, did you both click on

1352
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: an ad from a brand, an Instagram brand you'd never

1353
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: heard of, and buy the shorts or correct? It wasn't

1354
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: like a jud It was like.

1355
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: Just a random couldn't tell you that brand?

1356
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: Me. Wow.

1357
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: I realized everyone else was doing it, and I was like, oh, oh, okay,

1358
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: so I'm missing out. Actually I'm actually getting left behind.

1359
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: That's I got to keep up.

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Speaker 4: It's that's me with TikTok right now. I mean, it's

1361
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 4: like I didn't I thought that would pass. I thought, hey,

1362
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 4: I thought, hey, TikTok, flash in the pan.

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: It still is. Biden's gonna outline it, just wait it

1364
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: out for a little bit. If I literally still have

1365
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: not looked at a for you page, I don't know

1366
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 2: what the app looks like. And I'm like, Biden will

1367
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: ban it, and I'm just gonna wait it out. I'm

1368
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: not gonna invest in something just for Joe Biden to

1369
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: band it.

1370
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: I hope to god you are right.

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01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 4: I really I really do too, because I can't. I

1372
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: can't bridge that. I can't get over the hump there.

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 4: And then I say that, But then one day you're

1374
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 4: literally buying shorts off Instagram, and then you're and then

1375
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 4: you're in, and then you're in the middle of it.

1376
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, and that's the thing about culture.

1377
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: The revelation that both of you have bought sworts on

1378
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: Instagram is really messing with me.

1379
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: I bought a speedo off Instagram.

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 4: That's even crazier.

1381
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: Wait, the one that you were in the Hampton, the

1382
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: like tidi one. Yeah, oh my god, that was so cute.

1383
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 4: Okay, well, here we go interesting and now the floodgates

1384
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 4: are open. The floodgates are open, George. Soon you'll be

1385
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 4: buying come to Garson right off of Instagram.

1386
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: One of the Olympics.

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: They're like, they're going like hotcakes because the team did

1388
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: not want them, because.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 4: They were not good enough, they were not up to

1390
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 4: standard enough.

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: I feel like we should at least mention Well okay,

1392
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: what I was going to say is that we should

1393
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: at least mention influencer marketing. But I think as part

1394
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: of that, I just want to say I do think

1395
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: we are going. One of the ways in which society

1396
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: is perhaps becoming less straight is that we are going,

1397
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: and not in a positive way. I might add, is

1398
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: that we are going from advertising centric models to marketing

1399
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: centric models. Like I think I am way more influenced

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01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: by let's say, a celebrity wearing something that they were

1401
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: clearly paid to wear than I am influenced by like

1402
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: a print advertisement or a subway.

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01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 4: A billboard you know, yes, yeah, that which feels and

1404
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 4: that is queer because it is more specific. It's more

1405
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's like you like, you have to like

1406
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 4: something about their vibe, you know, not any celebrity. It's

1407
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: gonna like it's gonna make you want to buy something,

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 4: but it's going to be a specific celebrity. But it

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 4: just turns out that, at least in my opinion, the

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: people who are like the most successful of that are

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 4: the worst people ever. Of course, why is that? Why

1412
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 4: is that? Why is that true? Why is it actually

1413
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 4: somebody cool? Like? Why is it?

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01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: What's what's that?

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? It should be like why aren't Why is it us?

1416
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 4: Like when we wear something like everybody wants it? Like

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't get that.

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I know, Well, it's because you know, what we're

1419
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: peddling can't be sold, and it is sort of talking

1420
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 2: like this.

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 4: Gay comedian.

1422
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: It's literally just.

1423
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: Like this, you know what I was thinking about? Even

1424
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: like professionally made ads, like targeted ads are getting so

1425
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: targeted that now like every ad I get, it's like

1426
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: there's a gay married couple like cutting a cake, and

1427
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, now all of them have this.

1428
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy really, but you're the.

1429
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 4: Only one getting that. It's like you're getting those ads.

1430
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm getting a completely I'm getting like those ads, but

1431
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 4: like it's like maybe it's an interracial couple. And then

1432
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 4: literally like like slightly different and then like AI like

1433
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 4: the mind literally like Bobbles the mind. Where this can go,

1434
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 4: like with the chat ChiPT of it all.

1435
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: When Netflix shows you a movie using like the one

1436
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: gay element of it, advertise it, Huh, there is a

1437
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: sort of there was an Arobaros snaketting its own tail

1438
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: thing that happened to me where there was that. I

1439
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: think it was that rom com on Netflix with like

1440
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: Lucy Lou and Hey Diggs, Oh.

1441
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about, but I could never

1442
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 4: tell you the name of it.

1443
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: I think it was that one, and Pete Davidson plays

1444
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: a gay guy almost like as a it's almost like

1445
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: a nod to the.

1446
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 4: Audience that feels homophobic.

1447
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: But yes, but here's the thing, I as a gay

1448
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: man was advertised that movie with a thumbnail of Pete Davidson, Wow,

1449
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: when in fact so clearly Lucy Lou would like it

1450
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: showed me Lucy Lou. And but it's literally like it's

1451
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: too the AI the chat GBT is too is like

1452
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: smart in the wrong way. They're like, he wants to

1453
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: see himself and and Pete Davidson is gay and actually.

1454
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 4: Want to see Lucy Lou. I want to see Lucy

1455
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 4: Lou wearing a fears outfit and then maybe a click

1456
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 4: on it. Oh god, that's a part of the decline.

1457
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 4: That's a part of the decline of aver. Like if

1458
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 4: the mad Men era, back in the mad Men era,

1459
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 4: if they had that technology, they would have been serving you,

1460
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: Lucy Lou. That would have been they knew that, they

1461
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: would have known because they were closeted gay man and

1462
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 4: they know what they like.

1463
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: And that's that's really true.

1464
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: That is a right.

1465
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 4: That's what we've disco interested.

1466
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: One more thing about ads, why do I ever see

1467
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: an advertisement for like AT and T, Like, I have never?

1468
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: Why should I never see one of these ads? It's like,

1469
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: no one's like, oh, I'm gonna go buy a new

1470
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: phone now because that ad was really convincing. Same for cars,

1471
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm like this, I should never ever see this car.

1472
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: When I want a car, I will go and like

1473
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: look at the No one's being like, oh that was

1474
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: a fun ad. I'm going to buy a fifty thousand

1475
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: dollars thing now.

1476
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 4: And so you were saying that advertising doesn't work on you,

1477
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 4: is what I'm hearing.

1478
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing is it's like sometimes advertising is

1479
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: literally not even about using the advertisement to sell. It's

1480
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: about like just like the company wanting to publicly be

1481
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: known for something.

1482
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: Yes, well here's the thing, because then when you're ready

1483
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: to buy a car, you will remember an impactful, an

1484
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: impactful ad, I will you.

1485
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not, I say, I'm like, I don't.

1486
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: Know, well no, because none of them currently are impactful.

1487
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: If they were impactful, you would remember them. We're in

1488
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 2: a the app a golden age.

1489
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 4: We are a yes, we were in a state of crisis,

1490
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 4: as we've at an emergency state of crisis. We are

1491
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 4: in the advertising community.

1492
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: We are read.

1493
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 4: All the advertisers, advertisers in code read call them in.

1494
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 4: We gotta we gotta fix it from the ground up.

1495
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 4: We've got to fix it.

1496
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: Do you understand how bad the state of advertising has

1497
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: to be if people are buying short on Instagram? Although

1498
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: I guess that's all so advertising, so I really don't

1499
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: even I don't know what to say. I'm speechless.

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 4: Well there, that's where That's why it's so impossible to

1501
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 4: sort of make make parse this out.

1502
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'll say this not to victim blame.

1503
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: Have audiences gotten stupider? I think yes. I mean I

1504
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 2: feel like because they are being trained onto these terrible ads,

1505
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 2: like it's like, yeah, we can you can sort of

1506
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, isn't this hymns ad stupid?

1507
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: Isn't this seamless ads stupid? But those are successful companies.

1508
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you can even name that. The fact

1509
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 4: that you can name the ads means that something works

1510
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 4: and that actually as fucked because there were so many

1511
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 4: ads that I couldn't I couldn't name. But when you

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01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: said seamless, when you said hymns, I can see that

1513
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 4: out of my head and that's so what maybe there

1514
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 4: was actually good.

1515
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're like the IRA war and that they

1516
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: are impactful either way.

1517
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, beyond measure. And I am directly responsible for all

1518
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 4: of them.

1519
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah that congratulations.

1520
01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, well that is kind of juicy. I'm

1521
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: trying to think I have any final Oh my only

1522
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: final thoughts on ads in general is also I like,

1523
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: all a large majority of my ads are for underwear

1524
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: and like shorts that guys like where they're like just

1525
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: talking about their junk all the time, and it's like

1526
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: this is also like a misunderstanding, but correctly so where

1527
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: they're like it's like guys who are straight like being like,

1528
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: oh I can't like like finally shorts that don't shave,

1529
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: and it's like you are I'm just seeing your balls

1530
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: through these shorts, and it's like this is porn, Like

1531
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking at porn. This is what this is.

1532
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: You're porn? But are you mad at it?

1533
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: I would love it.

1534
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: If instead of ads, it was just porn.

1535
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 4: For that that would be so much better, and then

1536
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 4: I would maybe even watch it. I'd actually pay attention

1537
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 4: to the ads. If it was just porn, then they

1538
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 4: would have my attention, my unmitigated attention.

1539
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 2: And guess what put product placement in it. I don't care.

1540
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. Also, if instead of ads, people are

1541
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: seeing porn at their jobs, then they'll be better at

1542
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: making ads that have sexually uh.

1543
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 4: Inspired exactly because they were so horny back in the day.

1544
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 4: People will be more horny, So the ads would be

1545
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 4: better if they.

1546
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: Poor sex back in ads.

1547
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's back in the workplace.

1548
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: In the workplace, in the workplace, and back in advertising.

1549
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 2: That I think is that we can all agree on

1550
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: and this time it can be progressive and kink positive

1551
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: and like there should be a toxic like mad men.

1552
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: Your office should have a room where it's like, if

1553
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: you're in this room, sex team for sex.

1554
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 4: A sex form literally and roleplay can even happen too

1555
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 4: if you're into that, which is actually so yeah, yeah,

1556
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 4: that actually a consensual sex room in every office. That

1557
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,839
Speaker 4: would actually solve some problems.

1558
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: See, that would actually be helpful because some people won't

1559
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: have something.

1560
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 4: Some people do want to have sex with their colors.

1561
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: HR executives listening to this, bring this back to your

1562
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: company at the next ideas meeting, at the next all hands,

1563
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 2: raise your hand and say, you know, I heard something

1564
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: on a podcast. I listened to a Straighter Lab brought

1565
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: to you by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players, and I'm

1566
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: gonna narrate it you right now.

1567
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 4: It's actually a million dollar idea, like they should pay

1568
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 4: like it's such a good idea.

1569
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

1570
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: Once something, I'll just say this, talk about marketing. Once

1571
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:15,520
Speaker 2: someone figures out an ethical way, an ethical way to

1572
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: monetize the sexual tension of a workplace, that person will

1573
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: become president. I'm talking as well as more like somehow

1574
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna, like somehow figure out what we're gonna do

1575
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: with power dynamics, what we're gonna do with gender dynamics,

1576
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: like pay disparity, like women in tech, all of it.

1577
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: There is a way to do it, and I am

1578
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: whenever anyone figures it out. I'm telling you it's gold.

1579
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 4: We need our best minds on this. We really do

1580
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 4: we really do we really?

1581
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 2: Maybe the comet gar socist to do that.

1582
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 4: That's a great next task for them.

1583
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: Well do we? I think we've kind of like literally

1584
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: unpacked all of advertisment.

1585
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 4: I think that there's nothing, there's nothing left to say

1586
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 4: about though, you know, I have one last thing. Not

1587
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 4: to segue, but your shout out segment is sort of

1588
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 4: an advertisement that's basically just adds, yeah, well it's it's.

1589
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: Influential marketing, okay, you can. You can say it that, yeah,

1590
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: And it's actually it's building our brand more than it's

1591
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: building the brands and the things that we shout out.

1592
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 4: It seems like it's sort of sort of you know,

1593
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 4: sort of like specific things.

1594
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 2: And as we've said, marketing is gay and advertising it.

1595
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 4: Is an experience. It is an experience that's fairer that

1596
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 4: the shoutouts are experience.

1597
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of, should we do a fund segment shout out,

1598
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: let's do it, Sam, please describe it, Okay.

1599
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: Shout outs is our homage to the classic tradition of

1600
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: straight culture, where we shout out anything that we enjoy.

1601
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: Imagine it's two thousand and one, you're at TRL and

1602
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: Times Square shouting out to your squad back home about

1603
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: anything that you like. And I actually have one now, WHOA,

1604
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: So I'll start and wait, Sammy, if I've done this

1605
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: one before. I don't think I have. But I'm feeling

1606
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: very brain dead today and I can't remember what things

1607
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: I talked about the podcasts and what I haven't okay,

1608
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: what's up? Everyone from coast to Shining Coast. I want

1609
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to the show that

1610
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: comes on after Drag Race called The Exhibit. I'm starting recently.

1611
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: This show is so funny. It is a reality show

1612
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: about like fine art where you win an exhibit a

1613
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: show in the big museum, and it is the tone

1614
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: is so confusing because they are actually trying to do

1615
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: like nuanced art like pieces, but they're like trying to

1616
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: reality show afia and does not connect and so there's

1617
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: like a little like boss woman walking around judging people

1618
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: truly just like you're like, I don't think it's well,

1619
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: there's a nuance that's sort of missing, and then it's

1620
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: like don't and it like doesn't work. And like also

1621
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: there's like real artists on it, like there's this guy

1622
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: that went to college with Misha, who's actually his name

1623
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: is Misha, and he's like very successful, and it was

1624
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 1: sort of like why'd you do this show? You're embarrassing yourself.

1625
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: I see people tweeting about you on the internet just

1626
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: saying like the gay guy on the exhibit, and it's

1627
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: like you have a whole studio, you have shows around

1628
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: the world. Why did you say yes to this? But

1629
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: it's amazing to watch someone successful sort of try to

1630
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: maneuver in a reality show setting. Reality shows are a

1631
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: weird world for art to be seen. But at the

1632
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: same time, I'm kind of invested and I might watch

1633
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: the entire season and find out who wins next week

1634
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: on the exhibit.

1635
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: Wow, I got just personally speaking, I now want to

1636
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: watch that. I had never heard of it.

1637
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know you really sold it.

1638
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: Well it marketing.

1639
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: It actually is just so so jarring and weird because

1640
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: it's clunky and bad. Then at the end, I was like,

1641
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: I need to keep watching this.

1642
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 4: Oh I feel like as a society of run out

1643
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 4: of ideas for reality television competitions. If that's where we're at,

1644
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 4: and that's okay, But I'm like, I feel like I

1645
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: could let that into my life.

1646
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on after Drag Race.

1647
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: I someone needs to I've well, I mean I've said

1648
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: this for decades. Someone needs to figure out what's going

1649
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: on with the art world. And if that is a

1650
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: reality show, then I'll watch because something is to the

1651
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: bottom of it there. I've met these people.

1652
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: Something is a mess and in that community.

1653
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I just thought of one. Oh my god, it's

1654
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: actually marketing related. Okay, what's up, friends, acquaintance's, lovers, and

1655
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: future lovers. I want to give a shout out to

1656
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: the person who thought of the concept of yogurt covered

1657
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 2: pretzels and named yogurt covered pretzels. Guess what, that's not yogurt.

1658
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: It's not yogurt is there's no way that's yogurt, which

1659
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: is some sort of there's some concoction of sugar corn

1660
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 2: syrup and like whatever that thing is that's meat based,

1661
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: that that's in gelatine, not meat based, animal based. My

1662
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: point is, if you've had a yogurt cover pretzel that

1663
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: does not that's not what yogurt tastes like, and that's

1664
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: not what yogurt is like when you like dry it

1665
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. So it's clearly something else. But yogurt is

1666
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 2: so healthy coated that you can just call something white

1667
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 2: that Frankly, if it wasn't for the association with yogurt,

1668
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: would look pretty disgusting, like something that is white coated.

1669
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 2: And I say more, you just decided to pull that

1670
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: yogurt covered pretzels and then suddenly it's healthy coated Suddenly

1671
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: you are seeing that and you're saying, well, I'd rather

1672
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: have that than a chocolate covered pretzel. I'd rather have

1673
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: yogurt than chocolate. I'm suddenly doing it's keto friendly. Suddenly, Well,

1674
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. I was not born yesterday,

1675
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: and you will not be tricked me. Even though I

1676
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: do eat them on the regular, but I don't think

1677
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: they're healthy, and that's why I'm smart.

1678
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 4: Wait, I'm confused. I do you know for a fact

1679
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: that it's not yogurt or you just know?

1680
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: But like, in what world would that be yogurt?

1681
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 1: Is maybe they made special yogurt. Maybe it's like that.

1682
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a different type of yogurt.

1683
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look up.

1684
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: There's so many types of yogurt.

1685
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: Are yogurt covered?

1686
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 4: We have absolutely yogurt because I always I always assumed

1687
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 4: that they were.

1688
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: They can't lie.

1689
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: Gurt covered snacks don't actually contain much yogurt. Black covering

1690
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: is not the same thing as yogurt. There's a small

1691
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: amount of yogurt powder involved, according to Time Magazine, but

1692
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: the majority of the mixture of stuff like sugar, palm,

1693
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: kernel oil. Wait, I was literally right, an extra salt Wow,

1694
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm sort of shock. To me. It's like a it's

1695
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 2: like you've had yogurt, Like that's not what yogurt is.

1696
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I assumed it was like a different version

1697
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 4: of the yogurt that.

1698
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: I assume there were multiple versions.

1699
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I shouted out to people who

1700
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: thought of it, because they're geniuses. I mean, does anything

1701
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,799
Speaker 2: sound healthier when you're looking for a snack like yogurt

1702
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: covered pretzels? Like pretzels you are told from a young

1703
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: age are the healthy alternative to like chips, and then

1704
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 2: yogurt is like has protein, and then.

1705
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 4: Your way pro way pro way protein and fat way protein.

1706
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 4: Actually you're basically at the gym when you're.

1707
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: Eating exactly.

1708
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: You are.

1709
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wait, mine was actually randomly snack related

1710
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 4: to Okay, all right, I can go okay. Yes, Hello,

1711
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 4: all you chicos and chicas out there, thanks for listening

1712
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 4: to this ad. I want to shout out my favorite

1713
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 4: little snack that I had right before recording, saltines with

1714
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 4: peanut butter. They're so good, it's so simple, it's classic,

1715
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: it's delectable. I feel like Carrie Bradshop when I eat

1716
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 4: them alone in my apartment and stuck them up and

1717
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 4: it's on my little snack and I like look out

1718
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: the window and eat them. And sometimes you're working, you're

1719
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 4: nine to five in the office, and you don't have

1720
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 4: time to go to lunch, you don't have time to

1721
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 4: go to the cafeteria. And what you need, excuse me,

1722
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 4: is a little bite of happiness, a little some peanut

1723
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 4: butter and a nice salty little snack. I know peanut butter,

1724
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 4: A lot of people are allergic to it, and you

1725
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 4: know what, I don't care. They were pressing out on

1726
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 4: things that make me happy. So I want to give

1727
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 4: it up to saltys and peanut butter, Chiffy peanut butter specifically.

1728
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 4: It's really fucking fantastic and it made my little tummy

1729
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 4: go yum today.

1730
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: God, I always am into a shadout of peanut butter.

1731
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: One of the finest, only good things Americans have invented.

1732
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 4: I Black American, don't don't forget George. Is that true? Yeah?

1733
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, everybody knows that.

1734
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Wait, I do want to say, our producer Olivia uh

1735
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 2: texted us the full ingredients of yogurt coating, and I

1736
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: would like to dramatically read them. Yogurt coating typically consists

1737
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 2: of sugar partially hydrogenated, palm kernel, oil way powder, non

1738
01:23:53,320 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: fat yogurt powder, titanium dioxide, sounds toxic, soy less thin, scary, salt,

1739
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: and artificial flavor.

1740
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: We had three of those things sound terrifying to me.

1741
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: There should be a class action lawsuit.

1742
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I deserve money and I've only had

1743
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: like ten yoga curro pustles in my whole life.

1744
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Sam, I interrupted you.

1745
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh well, I was gonna say, Chris, you bring

1746
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: up something that I think about all the time. Also,

1747
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: which is like the ideal snack makes me feel like

1748
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw. The ideal snack makes me feel like a

1749
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: nineties girl who cares about health but also is like

1750
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: wants a fun treat during the day. And it's like, yeah,

1751
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: there's something so specific.

1752
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 4: You have to That's how you know that you're eating good.

1753
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 4: It's like it's not too much, but it's like it

1754
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 4: hits the spot. You're being a little indulgent, but not

1755
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 4: too indulgent, you know. Yes, it's writing that line.

1756
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: It's really something to that.

1757
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 4: It really, it really is. And saltanes and peanut butter

1758
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 4: will do it for Yeah, but yogurt coding pretzels. I

1759
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know.

1760
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: It sounds like they're ontanes. Saltanes really are that girl

1761
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: that has been around forever and no one she's never

1762
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: gotten her moment, no doing it better. It's like when

1763
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: Kerry Hilson was a songwriter, like she she can't be

1764
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 2: the star, but now she's the backbone.

1765
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 4: She's the backbone. She's the backbone of society salteens. We

1766
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 4: don't give her enough credit. Good when you're healthy, good

1767
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 4: when you're sick too. Every way.

1768
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 2: Well wow, Chris, well, wow, this was an absolute delight.

1769
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for having the podcast.

1770
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 4: This was amazing, This was really this was a delight.

1771
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 4: And you know what, I've I learned a lot about myself.

1772
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 4: You really speaking of call and you really called me

1773
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 4: in Tracy flick energy. You know, you know, please, don't

1774
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 4: you know?

1775
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I can feel you're still beating yourself up about that.

1776
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: I know it's okay, it's.

1777
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 4: Ok and George should be beating himself about that's no.

1778
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 2: It's true. Wow, Although I still the thing is, I'm

1779
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: so confident about that specifical one that I'm like, no,

1780
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: I that was good. Like, you can't. There are other

1781
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: things I can be insecure about, but I'm like, that

1782
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: was good.

1783
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 4: So that's good. I'm happy. I'm really happy.

1784
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 2: Well, well, god, this was like one of our more

1785
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 2: informative episodes. I feel like we really like we got

1786
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time on the topic.

1787
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we really did the work, all right.

1788
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,839
Speaker 1: Did the work well. Thank you leg thank you so much.

1789
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 4: Thank you Mane. This was so fun. This was really fun.