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See, I told you it wasn't gonna 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: sound right, but there's there's no other way to say this. 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: I just knocked Tom off his chair. I'll give Tom 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: a minute to regain his composure. But it's the truth. 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: I had a flash one of those short, little yellow 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: school buses the other day. And here's what happened. One 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: of the shops in the neighborhood was working on a 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: yellow school bus and they had to put a new 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: ABS controller in it. Now, this was this is actually 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 2: one of those. It's the short bus, right, and it's 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: the one of those. You know. It started life out 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: as a two thousand and eight Chevy thirty five hundred 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: van looking thing, and then they cut off the back 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: and whack, and you know, they put the row seats 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: in the big yellow school bus body. So now you've 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: got a yellow school bus. Well, they correctly diagnosed it 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: needs an ABS controller, so they put an AB controller 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: and hydraulic unit in it. And you say to yourself, 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: g two thousand and eight, that's very old. That's yes, Jesus, 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: that's sixteen years old. Seventeen years old. That's old technology. 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: And when they were done, Josh took it for a 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: ride and he found out that now he's got an 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: ABS fault code that pointed to no configuration, meaning the 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: ABS controller was empty. It was empty software wise, it 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: had the mechanical functionality, so you know they've got it. 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: It's like buying a laptop, right, you buy a laptop, 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: you buy it, you get a hard drive, there's no 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: software on it, there's no operating system. So there's no 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: operating system in the ABS controller. So they brought it 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: to me and they said, could you flash the school bus? 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: And I said, I don't know. Is that legal in 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: New Jersey? I wasn't really, but they didn't get the 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: joke then either, But I just thought it was funny. 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: Like my wife always says, I always tell her, I 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: say it's a little joke, and she puts her thumb 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: and four finger about. You know, he goes, he had 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: very little. So yeah, I can flash the school bus, 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: I think. So of course I reached back into my 57 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: arsenal of diagnostic tricks and tools, and of course I 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: pulled out my OPIS, my OPIS IVS three sixty because 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: if anything could do it, that could I called up 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: and I spoke to Brian on tech support, who's always 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: a great time. Hi Brian out there in Arizona. And 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: you know, it kind of turns my head a little 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: bit because we're a repair shop in Waldwick, New Jersey. 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: Here's a guy working for Opus, an international company. Now 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: he's based out of Arizona, and he's pulling software from 66 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: god only knows where to Arizona to New Jersey to 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: go into this yellow school bus. And that's what we did. 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: I hooked up my Opus IVS, I gave him the 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: VIN We went through the you know, the formality and 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: the paperwork and the introduction, and he uploaded and stalled 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: and configured the software from remote. What's the point of 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: all this. The point is that in a repair shop, 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: you never know when you've got to turn and do 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: it from a different angle. And as the complexity grows, 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: and yeah, unfortunately, cars are going to get even more complicated. 76 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: I know that sounds difficult to believe, but they are. 77 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: They're not going to get simpler anytime sooner. I always 78 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: say this, carburetors and points are long gone, and you're 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 2: going to need some sort of diagnostic software passed through 80 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Flashing platform. You absolutely have to have it. I think 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: it's going to become essential. I think it's going to 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: be the backbreaker that's going to keep people from fixing 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: their own cars. An ABS controller is something most of you, 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: most of my di wires. Most of my listeners really 85 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: if they're mechanically inclined and so want to could install 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: it's if you can install a master cylinder, you can 87 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: install an ABS control unit. But the mechanical portion, even 88 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 2: as far back as sixteen, seventeen, twenty years ago, still 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: is not enough. You've got to be able to install software. 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to put an operating system 91 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: into that component. And in this case it was an 92 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: ABS controller. So, you know, kudos to Brian. I appreciate 93 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: his patience. He kind of bailed me out because it 94 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: sort of came up quick at the last minute on 95 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: Friday this past week. And Opus has always been very accommodating. 96 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, if you're looking for a 97 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: tool or if you're looking for a support system, they 98 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: were great. Called up spoke to explain to them, Hey, 99 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: this is a school bus. We need this to go 100 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: out on the Monday morning run at eight o'clock. They 101 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: need this to take the kids to school. And they 102 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: snuck me and actually I actually think Brian gave up 103 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: coffee break. Not that it was longer than a coffee 104 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: break to do, but Brian sort of Brian's always very accommodating. 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: It's just some thing like all the folks at Opus, 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: they just do a great job and it's done. Of course, 107 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: then I got the road tested, so I put Danny 108 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: in the back and we took a right around Waldwick. 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: I wasn't meant to be a school bus driver, I 110 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: can tell you. There's just I don't have that kind 111 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: of coordination to. 112 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: You know. 113 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: But Danny my mechanic, he's he's just the big kid 114 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: at heart. I had to keep him from climbing out 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: the windows and doing all the things that school kids do. 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: So I mean you could just see it right driving down. 117 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: Two guys tired, and we were tired. This week. It 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: was I don't want to tell you it was a 119 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: brutal week, but it was a brutal week. We were busy, 120 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: we did you know, we did one hundred and twenty 121 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: percent over what we normally do in terms of volume 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: of work. It was just crazy. It was just absolutely 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: off the wall. And we did it on less vehicles, 124 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: which is I keep watching that number grow that you 125 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: people are spending bigger money on older cars, and you know, 126 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: I think if there's any indication of what kind of 127 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: shaped the economy's in. I think that's it, and I 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: think that that, you know, the interest rate is hurting 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: people from buying new cars, and they're hanging on to 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: the older ones. And I think the age of the 131 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: fleet just keeps growing. I'd be curious to know what 132 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: that is. And I'm not trying to be political here. 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you an observation from the bay that 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: I'm seeing. You know, we had one fella put sixty 135 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars into a twenty ten Honda Fit with 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen thousand miles on it. It made 137 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: no sense to me. Well it didn't. It didn't, but 138 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, just just crazy numbers, just absolutely crazy numbers. 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: So but in any event, kudos to Opus and Brian 140 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: and all the folks out there. My IVS three sixty 141 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: does it again, I can say I flashed the school bus. 142 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: I have to be careful how I say that, though, 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: because I'm going to get myself in trouble and that's 144 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: that's not my intention. So I'm sure you'll hear about this. 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure this will be in next week's Open. I 146 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: can see Tom's already foaming at the mouth that he 147 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: wants to include this. 148 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm already figuring out songs that'll go with this. 149 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: Well, but it's the truth. It is the truth. 150 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: You know. 151 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Listen, you're just you're you're just taking it in the 152 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: wrong connotation. Uh, you know, it's. 153 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see you guys going up the street 154 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: in that bus. 155 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: Now, I wish I saw that. It really was pretty funny. 156 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: I think research Kathy has a picture of it, because 157 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: Danny's Danny's at the back of the bus. You know, 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: remember that episode of Two and a half Men when 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: they put Jake on the bus and they send them 160 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: to school wearing the beige pants because it's it's it's 161 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: color neutral and they don't offend anybody, right, That was Danny. 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: Danny had his face pressed up against the glass. It's like, 163 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: you know, just that like he was like he was 164 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: twelve years old, least, it was his face pressed ump 165 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: against the glass. Well, as far as I know, I 166 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: was busy watching the road. You know. I got to 167 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: give credit to school bus drivers too. Isn't a side 168 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: that those mirrors stick out a good distance. Getting that thing, 169 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, getting that thing in and 170 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: out of the bay was harder than actually doing the 171 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: flash work because it's it's such a tight those mirrors 172 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: are so far out and everything hangs off that bus. 173 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: You know, we don't give bus drivers enough credit for 174 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: what they do. That that's a tough gig. That really 175 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: is that. That taught me a lesson and maneuverability and all. So, 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: but hey, you know, think of it like this when 177 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: you want to flash a school bus. Count on your 178 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: opus eight five five five six oh nine nine zero zero. 179 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car, doctor, I'll be back 180 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: right after this. Hey, let's do this. Let's jump down 181 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: to Kentucky and talk to Dave O seven Honda Cord. Dave, 182 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: what's going on? How can I help? 183 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: Oh? Thanks for taking my call. I've got this seven 184 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: two thousand and seven Honda Cord. It needs some drive 185 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: chefs the CV axles, and I like to use OEM 186 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: as much as possible. But when I checked on Honda 187 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: Dealership to get the OEM axles, they said eleven hundred 188 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: dollars each ouch twenty two hundred dollars for a pair. Obviously, 189 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to do a pair at a time. Yep, 190 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: Because it's got two hundred thousand miles on it, well, 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: when I check Rock Auto and local deal Auto Parts 192 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: Advance and all that, you know they're between one hundred 193 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: and two hundred. So, man, I'm really wondering, are these 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 3: aftermarkets any good or is there one that I can 195 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: and really trust. 196 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: So let me let me comment about Honda axles from 197 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: the dealer for a second. It's really amazing to me 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: the price disparity at the dealer between certain models for axles. 199 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: I have purchased brand new axles from Honda for newer 200 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: odyssees and newer records for three hundred and fifty bucks 201 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: three fifty three fifty. Now that's newer stuff like twenty eighteen, 202 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, things like that. It just, David, doesn't make 203 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: any sense to me. It's the same piece of steel, 204 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: it's the same set of boots, it's the same amount 205 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: of griefs Like, I don't get it. And then yes, 206 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: there are some it seems that as they get older 207 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: they go up in price. I've priced those one thousand, 208 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: eleven twelve thirteen hundred dollars axles. It's it's kind of 209 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: mind boggling. And you know, is the argument here or 210 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: is the conversation here, Well, they're trying to push us 211 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: out of the old car and get us into the 212 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 2: newer one. You know, I hate the thing negatively about 213 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: the world, but sometimes that's there, that that that is 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: a truer statement. 215 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: We want to take it into the dealership to get 216 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 3: anything checked, come out with a shopping list of all 217 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: these things that need to be replaced with extra hip 218 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 3: yep ps on them. 219 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. I you know, I can always 220 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: tell for the record. We're a little of subject here, 221 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: but that's okay. I can always tell for the record 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: when Honda is having a recall because I get a 223 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: variety of people, regular customers, new customers, old customers walking 224 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: through the door with a laundry list. You know, it's 225 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: one of those sheets of paper that they drop it 226 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: and the sheets unfold and hit the ground from top 227 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: to bottom. And I look at them and I go, 228 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: let me guess, recall. Yeah, had you know? Okay, let's 229 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: see what year is the car? They tell me, and 230 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: I kind of have this theory in my head. I say, yeah, 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: let's see, it's seven years old. You must need sixty 232 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: three hundred dollars worth of work. Yeah, had you know? Well, 233 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: you know it's it's sometimes I think the manufacturers do 234 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: recalls to generate work for the shop I I you know, 235 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: or they'll they'll they'll target a set group age group 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: of vehicle because all of a sudden it's, hey, you know, 237 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: let's let's scare Dave out of his eight year old 238 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: Honda and maybe he'll come in and buy a new one. 239 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: I don't get that, but I do, But I don't 240 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: onto your onto your question, my friend, I flat out 241 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: absolutely as the best axle out there in the ftermarket 242 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: that I've got access to in my experience. Are the 243 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: drive axles from Advance. I've been through them all. I've 244 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: put all the junk in, I've eaten all the junk, 245 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: I've taken them back out, and I've been through everybody's pile. 246 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: Are they labeled as car Quest? 247 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: They are labeled. When I look it up in the 248 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: catalog and I'm looking online my shop management system ties 249 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: right into my local Advance, it's labeled as Advance slash 250 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 2: car Quest. Okay, so it's you know, I I take 251 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: it as the Advanced car Quest brand. I think the 252 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: part number always begins with Nancy Charles Victor NCV. Right, 253 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: But don't don't hold me to that. They're typically you know, 254 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: a third of the numbers that you're talking from Honda, 255 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's listen. We all want cheap, right, 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: but we all want good. So I whenever I look 257 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: at a part I was telling the kid at the 258 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: gas pump the other day, I really don't care what 259 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 2: the gas costs as long as I can still get 260 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: it to a large degree, right, I'm happy to get 261 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 2: it as long as I'm getting the good stuff in 262 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: the car runs okay, you know, so like one more yeah, 263 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: go ahead. 264 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: Question half of you yeah? 265 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 5: Uh? 266 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: On the training. Uh, this seems to have a pretty 267 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: good transmission in it. It's got almost two hundred thousand 268 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: miles and it seems to be doing okay. However, I'm 269 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: real confused about the fluid changes. Are we supposed to 270 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: do two or three fluid changes and then drive the 271 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: car forty miles between fluid changes for a fifty thousand 272 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: mile real fluid change. 273 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: So that should be DW fluid Honda, you know, regular 274 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: Honda atf it's an older Honda. We will we will 275 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: change the fluid on those cars every thirty to thirty 276 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: five thousand miles. At most if we're if we're if 277 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: we get in there early enough, If we're getting in 278 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: there and it's older. Keep in mind, that's really a 279 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: manual gearbox, all right. That's not a true hydraulic like 280 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: a traditional automatic trends, that's a that's more of a 281 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: manual gearbox with a torque converter. Yeah, so the damage 282 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: is going to come mostly at the converter level, especially 283 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: with an overdrive clutch pack in it, with a with 284 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: a lock up and it has the fluid ever been changed? Uh? 285 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: I think it's been changed. I know at least once 286 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: and maybe twice. 287 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: Okay, how long? 288 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: Long? About every eighty thousand miles? 289 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like I tell everybody, you know what I'm 290 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: I'm a fan of changing fluid. But even if it's dirty, 291 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: if it's if it's going to break, I want to 292 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: know about it. I'm more aware of it. And if 293 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: in your mind, if in your mind it's gonna be Hey, Ron, 294 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: if the trans breaks, I'll put a trans in it, 295 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: because five grand for a trans is cheaper than fifty 296 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: grand for a new car. 297 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, then I would. 298 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: I would put fluid in it. And yeah, if you 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: want to do if you want to do two fluid changes, 300 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: absolutely all right. One of the things that is common 301 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: to fail on those trans is are the pressure switches 302 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: second and third gear. Third gear. Mostly you'll get a 303 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: you'll get a P zero seven series fault code. Things 304 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: like that usually switches, especially on higher mileage. So don't 305 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: let that panic you. If you see a fault code 306 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: after you change the fluid, it's not as a result 307 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: of the fluid change. It's more the result of age. 308 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: But you know this is this is about longevity, Dave. 309 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: If if the vehicle's kind of chugging along and it 310 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: just needs axles and it needs a fluid change, and 311 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: you're willing to put a trans in it. 312 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what about this switch? Is it available for 313 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: OEM or yeah, it's. 314 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: It's available OEM, and they're they're different colored. The way 315 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: if and when you have that fault, the way you're 316 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: gonna match it up is you're gonna get a wiring 317 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: diagram and you're gonna look at the wire color leading 318 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: to each individual's switch, and the wiring diagrams, the factory 319 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: wiring diagrams, like all data will have the factory wiring diagrams. 320 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: Get yourself a subscription to All Data di y and 321 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: you will see that, you know, it'll it'll be a 322 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: white red or a purple blue, and it'll say second gear, 323 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: third gear, and so on. And they're located in various 324 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: places around the trends and it's it's like changing an 325 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: oil pressure switch. It's it's it's really that simple. 326 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: And really, yeah, really a very common thing. 327 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: That's a very common thing. 328 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: And is there another common item too that's easy to replace? 329 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: Red than the whole training? 330 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: No? After that, after that, you're in trouble. 331 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: What about the filter that's built into uh? Does this 332 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: have a filter that I should change? At two hundred 333 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: thousand mouths. 334 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Dave, I've never changed the filter Honda Trends. Okay, in 335 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: all honesty, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I don't 336 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: even know if there is one. I don't think there is. 337 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: I think there's a screen in there, but I've never 338 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: changed the screen. I've never changed a filter. We've just 339 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: done fluids on a regular basis and we've never had 340 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: an issue that doesn't Okay, it's not possible. I'll tell 341 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: you what. Sit tight, Dave, Let me let me pull over. 342 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: Take this pause when we come back, we'll finish up 343 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: and get to the rest of your questions. I'm ronnin 344 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: Eni and the car doctor. Eight five five five six 345 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: zero nine nine zero zero. I'll be back right after this. 346 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Don't go away. Let's let's get right back to Dave, 347 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: real quick, Dave, last question, what's going on? 348 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: Okay, Let's see when I do this fluid change, only 349 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 3: about four quarts comes out. So that's that's why I'm 350 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 3: getting back to it. It almost takes two or three 351 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: times to really do a fluid changes a correct correct right. 352 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: If you want to if you want to do it 353 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: all now, if you want to do if you want 354 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: to do a little at a time, do the four quarts, 355 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: put a couple thousand miles on it, let it work 356 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: its way through, drop it again, do another couple thousand miles, 357 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: and then the last time. If you want to do 358 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: multiple changes all at once, until the fluid color comes 359 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: back to a good resolution. 360 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: Back, real clear. 361 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: Right. 362 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: And you said this is a manual, so there's no 363 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: digital programming required. If I flip the trainee out, I 364 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: don't have to take it to the dealership to get 365 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: a programmed no sarch to. 366 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: My knowledge, that should be a straight in and out swap. 367 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: That's what we've done in the shop all the time. 368 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: Okay, there's a little bit of a jerk sometimes when 369 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: it down shifts, like going from fourth or fifth down 370 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: to third. Does that mean this pressure switch is starting 371 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: to get a little faulty. 372 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: No, if well, if it is, the tolerance on all 373 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: the pressure switches are very tight. So if there's a 374 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: pressure switch problem, it'll tell you. You know, I take 375 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: a scan tool, go looking pending faults. All right, don't wait, 376 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: don't wait for all. 377 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: That one pressure switch. 378 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: Yes, transmission, there's there's probably two to four pressure switches 379 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: on that transmission. 380 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: Oh and all data will tell us all about it, right, Yeah, 381 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: go take a look. 382 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: At a wiring diagram for the trends. It'll show you. 383 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: It'll show you the electronics and the pressure. That's another thing, 384 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: and that's a that's another good reason and to have 385 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 2: an all Data subscription or a technical support subscription. But 386 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, you can learn a lot looking at a 387 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: wiring diagram how a vehicle is built, because it'll show 388 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: you what components it has, so you're not you're not 389 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: hopscotching around ron. 390 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: Here's the last easy one. Who makes the good rebuilt transmission. 391 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: Honestly, my experience Honda, Honda, Yes, sir, I haven't, Yeah, 392 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't found anybody else. And I know 393 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: that even my trans builder in town, he will purchase 394 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: a Honda unit. And you know it's it's you know, well, 395 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: you're I guess you're as safe as you've got somebody 396 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: to go back and talk to if there's an issue. 397 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: Is there somebody else out there? You know what, if 398 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: you're a trans builder and you've got an idea and 399 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: where to go by, all means, give us a call 400 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: to shoot us an email Ron at cardoctorshow dot com. 401 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: But you know, in my experience, Dave, I've seen I've 402 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: seen Honda build the best trands for those vehicles. 403 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 3: So okay, all right, okay, And they're staying behind him. 404 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: They stood behind him, yep. Not that they've had to. 405 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: They usually if somebody else installs them or not talk. 406 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: To them, it should not. It should not as long 407 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: as you're a certified and staller. 408 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: So all right, okay, Hey, you're great, thank you, thank you, Ron. 409 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: You're very welcome, Dave. Good luck to you. Let's go 410 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: over to my Let's go over to Larry, North Carolina. 411 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: I know who this is. I spoke to Larry during 412 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: the week full disclosure. How are you, Larry? 413 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 5: Hey, you gave me a bunch of homework. 414 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me. Let's let's bring everybody up to date. 415 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: Larry's got a twelve Durango with a five seven. He 416 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: put an engine in it. He's got a misfire on 417 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: cylinder six. Stop me where I'm wrong, Larry. And he's 418 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: done the preliminary work. He's done cylinder leaked down test. 419 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 2: The cylinder leaked down was good. He swapped around injectors, 420 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: he swapped around spark plugs and coils, and he still 421 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: has a misfire on six. Is that where we left it? 422 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 5: That's where we left it. 423 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: And then I gave you some testing to do. So 424 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: what's the result of the testing. 425 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 5: First, you wanted me to find out barometric pressures like 426 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 5: here in North Carolina day and my town is thirty 427 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: point one to three. The truck reads nineteen point eight 428 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 5: eight with a one point three vote on the map 429 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 5: sensor and a truck barrow when the computer says twenty 430 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 5: nine point seventy four, So it's I mean, it's within right. 431 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 2: Point, But manifold vacuum sounds low. What was mechanical vacuum 432 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: sitting there at IDOL sitting. 433 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: A manifold vacuum? The IDOL around twenty steady. It didn't 434 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: bounce for nothing when I outled it up to buy 435 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 5: one thousand to go to about twenty four. 436 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: Pounds twenty four inches something inches. Yeah, something doesn't make 437 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: sense in that statement. If we've got barometric pressure of 438 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: thirty inches and engine vacuum of twenty if you're looking 439 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: at a map sensor, I believe you should be seeing 440 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: about twelve ten to twelve. It should because a map 441 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: sensor generally displays manifold pressure, not manifold vacuum. 442 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pressure. Yeah, not team won a eight. 443 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: Right, So something doesn't make sense on that. Are you 444 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: going in your make model or are you going in OBD. 445 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 5: Two your MIC model? 446 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: Go in OBD two. Chrysler may be calculating that differently. 447 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: So let's and I don't think that's going to be 448 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: your problem, but let's just find out. All right, it's 449 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: a simple enough test. Remember, we're looking for what's good, 450 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: we're not looking for what's bad. Right, what else? What 451 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: else did I want you to do. There was something else, 452 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: wasn't there? 453 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: Or was that fewel enrichment? 454 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, pro pain, that's right. 455 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 5: I used a fuel enrichment and it didn't make no 456 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 5: difference on the misfire. Just kind of wanted to choke 457 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 5: it down right, Okay. And I was watching them, let's 458 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 5: see fire account's go to five hundred, and you know 459 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: we say it and. 460 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: It's only on cylinder six. 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 5: Right downer six. Short term fuel pressures five to eight, 462 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 5: long term negative eleven to fourteen. So holy injector reporses 463 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 5: are about twenty five twenty six hundred, all of them. 464 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 5: Even during this fire, it stays the same injector forces. 465 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: Okay, can you do? Can I ask you? You know I 466 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: was going to actually call you back yesterday and I 467 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: never got to it Friday. It was crazy. Can you 468 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 2: do some research on volumetric efficiency? They call it, They 469 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: call it a ve test or volumetric efficiency. Volumetric efficiency 470 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: is stand there and take a deep breath, Larry. A 471 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: volumetric efficiency test is how well does the engine breathe? 472 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: And it will define which way we're It's another way 473 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: we can define which way we're going to go with this. 474 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced you don't have a mechanical problem 475 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: in the engine. 476 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 5: I did look at the throw a blade position and 477 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: like not running. It was, like I said, running and 478 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 5: it goes to three. 479 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: I don't know what that. 480 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's closing it down. That sounds about right, 481 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: all right, that sounds about right. 482 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 5: Mass airflow was at point two pounds at idle. 483 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: No grahams per gram Grahams per second. I want to 484 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: know grahams per second. Okay, So and you'll have to 485 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: see that under OBD two because Chrysler probably won't show 486 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: you that under your make model. Okay, all right, So 487 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: I want to know grams per second. I want to 488 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: know grahams per second. I want you to read up 489 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: about volumetric efficiency. You're gonna end up if you google it, 490 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: you're gonna end up going to the Automotive Training Group 491 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: website ATG and then they've got a great explanation about 492 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 2: what VE is. It's a very simple test. Don't be 493 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: intimidated by it. You have to you have to have 494 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: a scan tool and basically you need to bring up 495 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: rough four PIDs, all right, four pieces of data, do 496 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: a road test, come back and it'll make the calculation. 497 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: It's a it's a plug in spreadsheet type of thing. 498 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: And I would tell you we're going to do a 499 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: ve test to learn about it on which vehicle larry 500 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: anyone but the one you're working on, right? 501 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: Good one? 502 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: Right, We're going to find a good one, all right, 503 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: and you're going to typically see you know, you don't 504 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: want to do it on a turbo charged vehicle. You 505 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: want to do it on a non turbo vehicle. And 506 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: we typically see good ve as anything eighty eight percent 507 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: or higher. All right, eighty five, eighty eight, ninety I'm 508 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: good with that. I want to see if this engine 509 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: is I want to see what this engine does mechanically, 510 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: how hard? How hard does it get access to the 511 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: spark plugs on this. 512 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: Hard? All right? 513 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: Could you do a running compression test? 514 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 5: Yeah? I could? I reckon right and then running. 515 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: And if I had called you yesterday, the one question 516 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: I had for you was you were you were ready 517 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: to change the cam? Yes, I'm did you did you 518 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: reuse the cam? 519 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, it was a it was a 520 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: new cam, new Lifters, okay, but it was not OEM. 521 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 5: That's okay, That's what worries me. I think it's probably 522 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 5: a Chinese or something. Well, I think that's yeah. I 523 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 5: don't know if it is or not, but it's not 524 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 5: a dodge oem Right. 525 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: And then just because we've got sixteen new lifters in there, 526 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: are they all the right lifters? 527 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: You know? 528 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: Like did we look at them? Could one be shorter 529 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: than the rest? Could there be a mismatch in parts? 530 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 531 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right because because what you're slowly proving and 532 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 2: you know, whether you know it or not, and I 533 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 2: think you know what we're what we're proving here is 534 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: spark is good, fuels good, This is mechanical. But this 535 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: could be mechanical in the way. Was the engine assembled 536 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: right by the engine builder or is it one of 537 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: the components that was installed during the during the assembly? 538 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: All right, you got. 539 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 5: Some I got your bar mit pressure for the irregular OBD. 540 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 5: It's fourteen point five is what it says UNDERBD and 541 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 5: not in this. 542 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: Something's wrong there barometric pressure. But and it's just a 543 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: matter of asking Google, Hey, Google, what's barometric pressure in 544 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: North Carolina today? If Google says thirty inches. 545 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 5: But it's showing fourteen point five right here, just sitting cold, 546 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 5: not even running. 547 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: No don't. Don't. No, I think you're looking at the 548 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: wrong pid. 549 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 5: You're in year make model, You're I mean in OBD 550 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 5: now with the it's just PSI fourteen point five? Am 551 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 5: I not in the rock? 552 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you're in the wrong place. And the 553 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: reason the reason I think you're in the wrong place 554 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: is because if the engine was erroneously reading barometric pressure, 555 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: it would affect all the cylinders, not just number six. 556 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: Do this. Stop looking at that. Stop looking at that car. Okay, 557 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: learn barometric pressure, map, manifold, vacuum ve and everything else 558 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: we talked about on any other car in the household. 559 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: That's good, all right. 560 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 5: Well, luckily I have a Dodge ram with a hem 561 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 5: you signed age SOMN numbers should. 562 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: Right, those numbers should be fairly close. All right, kiddo, 563 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 2: I got a run. I'm past my time, all right, 564 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 2: but you know where to find. You're very welcome, sir. 565 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk again. I'm running any in the car. Doctor, 566 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: we're back right after this. Welcome back. Eight five five 567 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero. Let's go to 568 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: Staten Island, New York and talk to Tom. Tom, what's 569 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: going on? 570 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 4: Hi, Ron, thank you for taking my call twenty eighteen 571 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 4: infinity Q fifty, I was getting to P zero four 572 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 4: four eight then controlled that okay, And this was going 573 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 4: on for like three years, and I could, I could 574 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: connect my scantule, could click it on and off at will. 575 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: It'll work every single time. If I was under three 576 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: quarters of a tank and I cleared the code, it 577 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: would it would stay off until I filled up again. Finally, 578 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 4: if and I had to do that to pass inspection, 579 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: and finally if the three years, I think, you know what, 580 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 4: let me just replace the valve events of control valve 581 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 4: and they still tripped it. So now I'm thinking, like 582 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 4: a what could be the next uh part step in diagnosis? 583 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 4: Since I replaced them a control above and I'm still 584 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: tripping the code. 585 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: So four four eight is generally considered a circuit performance fault, 586 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: all right, not a vent, not not the valve itself. 587 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: So four four eight can set for a circuit problem 588 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: for the canister event control all right, or the PCM 589 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: is commanding it and it doesn't respond properly. Now there's 590 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: a bulletin that talks about reprogramming the ECM applicable to 591 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: sixteen and seventeens. But but not eighteen. And now the 592 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: problem is going to be you know, this is this 593 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: is the story of you know what, what? Where? Where? 594 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: Where was yours done at eighteen? You know where's yours 595 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: in the in the build year? Right? Is it an 596 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: early eighteen? Is it a late eighteen? 597 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 5: You know? 598 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: Is there is there a software update for this? And 599 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: I can't tell you. You know, it's funny. I opened 600 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: the show talking about computer flashing and software and here 601 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: I am finishing the hour. It's it's it's just it's 602 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: just that important that we go and look at that. 603 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: You know, using a scan tool. You're not a You're 604 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: not the typical home mechanic. I'm going to be blunting. 605 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: Just ask, and I bet I know the answer. You 606 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: probably used an oe part correct. 607 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: Yes I did. 608 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured as much. Just for giggles, Do you 609 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: still have the old vent valve? 610 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: Yes? 611 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I if you own it? What is it own? 612 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: I would? 613 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 4: Oh I didn't, I didn't try that. What'should? What'should? 614 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see, I would expect somewhere between fifteen and 615 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: thirty five homes twenty to forty doesn't bother me, but 616 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: you know, just to see, do I have high resistance? 617 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: Do I have low resistance? Is it in the range? 618 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: And then again, if you've got a new one and 619 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: you've got the old one, they should probably own the same. 620 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: But if they both own the same and they're both 621 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: sixty oms, then they're made wrong and there's a problem 622 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: there too, Right. So four four eight also can mean 623 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: it's it's not seeing the drop in tank pressure as 624 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: it expects when it commands the vent valve on. Right, 625 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: So let's let's let's talk about the theory of this 626 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: for a quick second. All right, I gotta be I'll 627 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: tell you what. Sit tight. Let me let me, let 628 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: me come back, because otherwise I'm gonna run crowded into 629 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: the break. Let me don't go anywhere, tomm I'm running 630 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: any of the car. Doctor. We'll be back right after this. 631 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: Let's go, Tommy. You're right there, tom Yes, sir, So listen, 632 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: I've got two minutes. So I want to I want 633 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: to talk about EVAPP systems in general, because I think 634 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: that's going to be more likely to help you fix 635 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: this car. Okay, So P zero four four eight sets 636 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: because the PM commands the vent valve closed to check 637 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: the system for integrity, right, suck in, right? Can you 638 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: hold your breath? Do you leak? 639 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: Right? 640 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of doing the same thing, right. 641 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: So what it does is it closes the vent. It 642 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: either closes the vent when the system is under a 643 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: high state of vacuum based on engine operation and temperature, 644 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: or it closes the vent sucks in by opening the 645 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: purge or leaving the purge open then closing the purge. 646 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: So now the systems in a state of vacuum, and 647 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: it looks it looks at what fuel tank pressure sensor? Okay, 648 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: all right, so you know, think of think of your house. 649 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: Right. 650 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: You got a front door and a back door. The 651 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: rest of the house is closed. If you open up 652 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: the back door, air can kind of wander in. If 653 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: you open up the front door, you can pass air through. 654 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: If you close the back door, and we're to suck 655 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: at the front door and then slam it shut. You 656 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: put the house in a state of vacuum. All right, 657 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: Try putting the system into a state of vacuum. If 658 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: you can open the purge, close the vent, watch the 659 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: fuel tank pressure sensor. Open up the gas cap. Does 660 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: it lose pressure right away? How does that react? Do 661 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: some of the testing like that and then call me back. 662 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: I'm running eny in the car. Doctor. 663 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 4: Come. 664 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: Mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you