1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: George Washington wasn't Mexican. It's one more thing. I'm strong 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: and getty, one more thing. So I have said, I've 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: threatened for many times, so it probably won't get around. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll get around to it about the same time I 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: use my elliptical machine. But I really want to dabble 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: in some of the AI stuff that all a lot 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: of you have been using for a long time, the 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: chat GPT and a sort of stuff. I've never done it, 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: and it's the future and I don't want to like 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: be left completely far behind on everything that everybody's doing. 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: And I just sounds really interesting to me. That's one 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: of the reasons I'm probably going to upgrade to the 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: iPhone sixteen when it comes out, is that it's going 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: to have chat GPT right on there, and I think 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: then I would actually use it. And Apple is also 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: unveiling their own version of AI. I think it's kind 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: of interesting that they have spent the gazillions of dollars 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: to try to compete in that arena and they're going 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: to release it at the same time that they allow 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: chat GPT to be on the phone. Kind of a 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: weird thing. 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I needed to know the pix. It seems 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 2: odd and confusing. 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember a time when 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: somebody introduces a competitor that way or but anyway, I 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: want to start looking into this sort of stuff. And 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: so the new iPhone comes out in a couple of 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: weeks and I'll probably get that and I'll let you 29 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: know how it goes. Google. You remember when Google released 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: their Gemini chatbot and it couldn't come up with white 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: people of any kind. It when asked to depict the 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: US Founding fathers and Catholic popes, for example, it either 33 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: depicted women or women of color or men of color, 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: but never any white males, even though all the popes 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: have been white males and the Founding Fathers were all 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: white males. 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: Likewise, German soldiers from World War Two, which was famously 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: not a very diverse bunch, right, It was kind of 39 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: the whole deal. And it's really quite something that Google spent. 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: I was this New York Times article would have the 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: amount of money they've spent so far, but. 42 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: It's a ton. I mean, they've gone in bigger than 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: anybody thinking. That kind of like the way Google is. 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: If you become the biggest and the best you can 45 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: print money for a very very long time. And if 46 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: they can become the Kleenex or Xerox, if you know 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: that reference of AI, that's where all the money is. 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: So they've invested a lot of money. And their first 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: shot at it was give me a picture of George 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Washington and you have a brown lady. I mean, what 51 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: the hell? It's fairly basic. 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: Well, and it really betrays the impurity of the input, 53 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: if you will, how activist they are there, As The 54 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: New York Times says, besides, that was I'm sorry. That 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: was not a sin of omission. That was not a whoops, 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: we messed up that. We tried very very hard to 57 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: tip the scales and the whoops, we went too far? 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I'll just read the headline from the New 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: York Times article. Google says it fixed its image generator 60 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: that failed to depict white people. The company will allow 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: users of its chatbot to create images of people with 62 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence after disabling the feature six months ago. So 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: what they did, after spending unimaginable amounts of money, they 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: had to turn the thing off like the next day. 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: Ah do's shelve that for a little while that's really 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: quite extraordinary. And you'll remember Elon Musk, because we read this, 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: had said there, this is such a deep problem to 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: have spent all that money and you can't come up 69 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: with a white pope or a white founding fathers. A 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: sign of rots so deep you need to blow up 71 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: the entire team. That's what Elon Musk said. Who knows 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: something of what he's talking about with these things. That 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: was what I said, but he said it better. Weeks 74 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: after Gemini was launched, users notice it would not show 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: white individuals. Besides sparking controversy, the revelation eroded confidence in 76 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Google's ability to manage artificial intelligence capabilities. I'd say it 77 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: might be one of the most expensive mistakes in all history. 78 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it really could be. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: I already was contemptuous of Google corporate, and that just absolutely, 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, energized my contempt. 81 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: But I know some people in the world of AI 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: and that Google had been sitting on the sideline while 83 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Open AI, Chat, GPT, Microsoft a number of others had 84 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: come out and they had sat on the sideline with 85 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the idea, we're going to get it right, and then 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: when we launched, we're going to land so hard and 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: so big. We're going to be the Google of search engines, 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. We're going to be 89 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the We're going to be the thing. And that was 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: what happened day one. 91 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: Well, Joe, you brought us an article not too long 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: ago for one more another, one more thing we did 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: where it went through all the different categories of AI 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: and JEM and I was like rated last in all 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: of them, not just Image Generation. 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: Quite a few of them. Yeah. 97 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. The fact that they spent more money waited on 98 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: the sidelines at the you know, you know, at the 99 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: deficit of letting other people get a head start on 100 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: them because we're gonna get it right, and then landed 101 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: with that is just stunning. 102 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: It brings me some weird joy it does. 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: I'm chuckling gleefully. 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: It's like, if you got a soft drink and the 105 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: cocin PEPSI are out there, we gotta get it out. No, 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna wait, let people enjoy their coke and PEPSI, 107 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: wait till they wait until they enjoyed jack soda, and 108 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: then you final land Valt having spent nine trillion dollars 109 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: and somebody opens a bottle and there's a dead mouse 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: in there. Google bubbles, you're. 111 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: Gonna love this. Well if it was a robot, No, 112 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna hold back to Google robot until 113 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: it's good and ready. Finally we're ready, they unleash it. 114 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: It kills a bunch of school children before it bursts 115 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: into flames. It could not have been worse. Well. 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the company also stumbled, says The New York Times, 117 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: with the initial launch of its chatbot Bard, which got 118 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: all kinds of facts wrong in its first public outing. 119 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: I mean it's displayed to the media. It didn't work. 120 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: The Bard gap was an embarrassing moment just as the 121 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: AI boom was starting to take off. So Google's back 122 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: out today with their Gemini thing. So I'm sure tons 123 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: of people will be testing out, trying to make it 124 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: be racist and sexist. Some people would call that reverse racist, 125 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: reverse sexist, but that's dumb. But if it's not fixed, 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: we'll know by the end of the day because it's 127 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: out there now. That's one of the seriously, one of 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: the biggest mistake launches in history, and in terms of 129 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: money spent, it might be the biggest. 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: Well yeah, because and I think we may have discussed 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: this at the time when the previous go to marketing 132 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: day backle occurred New Coke. They wasted a hell of 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: a lot of time and money on that, but nobody thought, 134 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: you know, coke is evil in general. 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna drink it, right, and diet coke. I 136 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't throw that in your eyes. 137 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: No, they just went back to the old product, which 138 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: was the same product, and they liked it very much. Google, 139 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: their whole thing has been impugned. 140 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: They were exposed. That is stunning. 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: In fact, yeah, it's more like the mouse in Google Bubbles, 142 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: which I have charmingly named their new soft drink. It's 143 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: more like the mouse of your imagining than the new Coke. 144 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: It just shows that they have no standards, or at 145 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: least no standards I appreciate for quality. 146 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm like I said, I'm sure we will know 147 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: soon because there's gonna be a lot of people out 148 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: there testing it. Whether you're just a tech writer and 149 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: want to see how good it is, or if you're 150 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: a you hate Google like we do and you want 151 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: to out it as being still so woke. They can't 152 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: get the damn thing right. 153 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: I'm telling you We are in a cold war against woke, 154 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: and everybody needs to know it. The New York Everyone 155 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: knows it. Well, everyone needs to know it. 156 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: The New York Times ended today's article with the company 157 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: reminded users that even with improvements, it's technology would make errors. 158 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Of course, not every image Gemini creates will be perfect, 159 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Google says in their release, but we'll continue to listen 160 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: to feedback from early Access Gemini Advanced users as we 161 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: keep improving. 162 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 163 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Again, it's not like it's a little too sweet for 164 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: me or a little fewer bubbles. No, there's a mouse 165 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: in the coke. It's not even close. And I mean 166 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: that's that's where you were. George Washington's a black woman. Okay, 167 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: you're not even close or heey. 168 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Washingtonz the father, the padre of our country. Muh muh no, 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: not buying it, Google, Well, I guess that's it.