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Speaker 1: Walk about can an Hour number three Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton show, appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore

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Speaker 1: leading a response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman

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Speaker 1: on the Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are

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Speaker 1: more videos coming out of the stabbing, and you can

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Speaker 1: see no one coming to this young woman's aid, despite

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Speaker 1: the fact they can see her clearly being stabbed. I

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Speaker 1: would suggest, now, I know this is dark and it

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Speaker 1: is uncomfortable, But Congressman, as we bring you in, why

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Speaker 1: has the full video not been released? And I don't

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Speaker 1: say that because I am in favor of showing violent acts,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it's important that we see what

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Speaker 1: actually happens. And certainly, if you think about the George

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Speaker 1: Floyd video, the entire George Floyd video was shared and

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Speaker 1: used to drive the burning of so many American cities

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Speaker 1: and to set an artificial narrative about police. The narrative

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Speaker 1: that there is far too much violent crime and that

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Speaker 1: criminals who are arrested are let far too often back

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Speaker 1: on the streets is one that is actually accurate, and

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Speaker 1: in the case of this murder fourteen time arrested serial

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Speaker 1: felon who finally decided that he was going to kill

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Speaker 1: and that he was going to say that he was

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Speaker 1: motivated to kill this woman because she was white. And Congressman,

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Speaker 1: you represent a part of North Carolina and also a

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Speaker 1: part of Charlotte. What is the reaction from your constituency

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Speaker 1: and what do you think about why we have yet

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Speaker 1: to see this full video released.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I

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Speaker 2: wish you were under better circumstances of see the reaction

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Speaker 2: to folks that I'm hearing from back home in North

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Speaker 2: Carolina are simply the same thing that that that you hear,

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Speaker 2: the same thing that your your listeners are probably feeling

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Speaker 2: when they when they see this, when they hear about this,

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely discussed and it's a breakdown in the system.

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Speaker 2: And what we've seen, uh time and time again, and

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Speaker 2: certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is

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Speaker 2: a red county seeing a red state, but Mecklenberg is

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Speaker 2: a blue county. And we see in a lot of

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Speaker 2: cities around the country where you get these liberal judges

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Speaker 2: that get into, these liberal magistrates that come in and

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Speaker 2: they have these woke policies where they just are just

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Speaker 2: soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this guy was a convicted fellow with violent violent rap sheet,

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Speaker 2: had had skipped cord in the past, had had firearms

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Speaker 2: of senses. And this guy, I mean, he should have

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Speaker 2: never been on the street where he could do this.

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Speaker 2: And and unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where

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Speaker 2: this is just like a one off. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: would submit to you there are these things happen every

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Speaker 2: day through about our country, which is, by the way,

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Speaker 2: one reason that I'm co sponsoring with Elease defining a

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Speaker 2: bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments

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Speaker 2: that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. You know,

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Speaker 2: if these guys are being held under a cash bail,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be in jail, and a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: frankly that they shouldn't even be given bond where there's

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Speaker 2: such a dead danger and a menace to society. Congressman

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Speaker 2: really should have been in jail.

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Speaker 3: Congressman, we appreciate you being being here with us, so

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Speaker 3: you have signed a letter all ten members of the

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Speaker 3: North Carolina House Republican North Carolina House, these are Republicans

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Speaker 3: obviously the demanding the removal of unelected magistrate judge Teresa

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Speaker 3: Stokes who released this repeat offender, who went on tell

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Speaker 3: us about this process and is it likely to succeed

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Speaker 3: to try to have this judge removed because I know

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Speaker 3: state by state these rules can be can be very different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a magistrate judge, so she's matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, My understanding is she graduated law school, would

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Speaker 2: I you know, kind of know this stuff. But she

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Speaker 2: not elected, and she should be And I felt so,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican

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Speaker 1: I can't believe she didn't pass the Well, she didn't

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Speaker 1: pass the bar. But let's go into this because I

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Speaker 1: think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried to

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Speaker 1: interesting one that if you are a bartender and you

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Speaker 1: if you're a lawyer, there are significant consequences for bartenders.

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Speaker 1: At times. They can even be criminally prosecuted for overserving

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Speaker 1: people who they know are a danger to the larger community,

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Speaker 1: and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a

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Speaker 2: That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look

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Speaker 2: for folks to run for judge, all they have to

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Speaker 2: do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected, right,

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Speaker 2: And I would say the vast majority of elective judges

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Speaker 2: one thing we've talked about doing is actually finding is

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Speaker 2: to your point about like with the bartender, like in

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Speaker 2: the dram shop laws where they can be held civilly

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Speaker 2: responsible for any you know, for any prenny injuries that happens,

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Speaker 2: is all of serving someone who drinks too much when

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Speaker 2: having a rug. We're actually looking right now at personal

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Speaker 2: liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then

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Speaker 2: that's the way to get people's attention. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: actually a bill that we're we're in the drafting phases

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Speaker 2: be some accountability. I mean, if somebody is doing something

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Speaker 3: And so what do you think about the the moves

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Speaker 3: get a little more forceful than that assistance from the

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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing to me that we have some

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm talking from from the district of Columbia right now, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm in new member of Congress. I'm

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Speaker 2: And and I'm glad that the president stood up and

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Speaker 2: you did something I sent in there, and it's actually

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Speaker 2: president has shown this is not a political stuff. The

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Speaker 2: President has offered this up to help, you know, to

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Speaker 2: a partisan issue, and I'm hopeful. I'm so hopeful that

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Speaker 2: there's an opportunity to get help, folks ought to take it,

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Speaker 2: because look, look at Chicago, they're overwhelmed. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we can kind of surgically say, in that case, it's

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Speaker 1: You know, Congressman, the North Carolina is a super fascinating state,

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Speaker 1: as you well know, because there's a very big difference

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Speaker 1: between let's say, the left wing college communities that encircle

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Speaker 1: meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't it unite

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Speaker 1: everyone to say, Hey, to your point, we just want

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Speaker 1: our big cities, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. You hit on it,

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Speaker 1: but I talked about it earlier. I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit better than it used to be,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen. And I

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear

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Speaker 2: I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine coming to America

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Speaker 2: Is a passenger there, you know, as you've gotten off

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Speaker 2: You asked about the video, I don't know why the

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Speaker 2: rest of the video hasn't been a case. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it may be the respect the victor. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: I understand that argument, but sometimes you have to see

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Speaker 1: And so I just would implore anybody listening out here

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Speaker 1: to me, we need the full unedited video of what

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Speaker 1: have to watch it, those of us who are adults, obviously,

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Speaker 1: to recognize what we have allowed to occur. Because it's

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Speaker 1: one thing if a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts.

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Speaker 1: The guy was arrested fourteen times, I think the oh,

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Speaker 1: the the guy deserves a second chance, third chance. Nobody

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Speaker 1: deserves a fifteenth chance. I'm sorry, and so I want

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Speaker 2: I think I think people need to need to see it.

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Speaker 2: It's ugly, and there's a video that has been there's

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Speaker 2: been additional video released. I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 2: have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after

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Speaker 2: he's stabbed her and she's there and she's and nobody,

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Speaker 2: nobody on this on the damn train even is doing

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Speaker 2: anything to help her. I'm like, and I just saw

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Speaker 2: the show with you, and I'm just I'm still kind

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Speaker 2: of stunned by seeing that that no one, no other

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Speaker 5: Guys, Jim from Franklin, Tennessee. And I was just gonna

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Speaker 3: Clay trapp Us Buck Sexton Show. Look, we've got a

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Speaker 1: Buck. This is again take away Trump and just pretend

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Speaker 3: But some black men in this country as well as

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Speaker 3: by the way, Latino men, and some jurisdictions are considerably

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Speaker 3: overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are.

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Speaker 3: I mean New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where that.

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Speaker 2: Is the case.

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Speaker 3: And they would rather the murder rate continue than to

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Speaker 3: do those than to accept those things that those things

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Speaker 3: will happen. Trump is right, the right has been correct,

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Speaker 3: and you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact dare

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Speaker 3: I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws or

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Speaker 3: I think Trump is on very very solid ground with this.

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Speaker 3: And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description of restorative

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Speaker 3: justice in one of the breaks. I was just curious

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Speaker 3: to see what the I know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I've heard people.

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Speaker 3: Talking about it for a long time. It's the kind

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Speaker 3: which is, we're going to have victims, I'm sorry, we're

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Speaker 3: going to have perpetrators reconcile with victims. Really, how do

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Speaker 3: you do that in a case like this? What reconciliations

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Speaker 3: are going to be for the maniac who stabs the

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Speaker 3: other than perhaps racial animus, which now is coming out

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Speaker 3: What are they even talking about when they say that

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Speaker 3: we need to have restorative just how about just justice?

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Speaker 3: How about just the closest by the way you can argue,

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Speaker 3: I think, very unfortunately, tragically, very effectively that there really is.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as justice, because you can't give

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Speaker 3: stop the next one, and you can take this person

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Speaker 3: out of society so he can't threaten or harm another person,

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Speaker 3: and you can try to prohibit or try to prevent

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Speaker 3: more of this from happening from others who see if

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Speaker 3: I do this, I'm going to be punished by this

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Speaker 3: state in a way that makes me very unhappy, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've got. My anger is grown All weekend I watch

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Speaker 1: this video, and that's why I think the full video

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Speaker 1: has to be released. We have to rectify the system

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Speaker 1: that we have created where we're more concerned about criminals

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Speaker 1: being treated fairly than we are innocent people being victims

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Speaker 1: of crimes. This is basically just a balance, right, and

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Speaker 1: all of life is trying to balance equities in some way.

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Speaker 1: Who is the good person, who's the bad person? Who

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Speaker 1: behaved in a admirable fashion, who behaved in a dishonorable fashion.

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Speaker 1: How do we reconcile that in the courts. I think

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Speaker 1: what this situation is emblematic of is we have become

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Speaker 1: far too concerned with how criminals are treated and not

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Speaker 1: concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of

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Speaker 1: criminals are treated. This should never happen. Let me hit

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Speaker 1: some of your talkbacks. Michael in Arizona, listening on news

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Speaker 8: People are missing the big picture here. It's not just

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Speaker 8: the right Republican outrage. It should be an American outraged, liberal, independent,

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Speaker 8: non voting, non caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all

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Speaker 8: of it. Everybody should be outraged. You shouldn't be able

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Speaker 8: to murder something like that on a train while you're

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Speaker 8: coming home from where, just sitting there my no business

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Speaker 8: and get stabbed and discussing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on

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Speaker 1: the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what

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Speaker 1: he said and vip email. Kyle says the congressman we

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Speaker 1: just talked with, Tim Moore says he was surprised no

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Speaker 1: one intervened. The answer is easy, Daniel, Penny, Kyle rittenhouse.

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Speaker 1: People are scared to get involved. Now you and I

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Speaker 1: were talking. I don't know if we said this on

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Speaker 1: air off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in

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Speaker 1: this situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly.

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Speaker 1: This is not a situation where a guy's walking around

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Speaker 1: with a weapon in his hand.

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Speaker 3: There was no warning, no warning at all. And you

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Speaker 3: can tell from the video he just stood up and stabbed.

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Speaker 1: And now what you and I have said, and again

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Speaker 1: this is in the video the congressman was referring to,

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Speaker 1: is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the

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Speaker 1: light rail, this Charlotte Public transportation, and no one comes

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Speaker 1: to the girl's aide. That's this girl is bleeding out.

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Speaker 1: She has no real idea probably what's happened to her

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Speaker 1: at all, because the stabbing happens so fast, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these

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Speaker 1: two at all. She gets stabbed, she looks up at him,

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Speaker 1: he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood, and other

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Speaker 1: people in that section of the train see her leaning

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Speaker 1: over as her blood is starting to pour out, as

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Speaker 1: her life is leaving, and no one does anything at

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Speaker 1: all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.

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Speaker 1: In fact, people stand up and walk away. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is the lack of humanity. We are referencing now if

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Speaker 1: this again, we're a situation where the guy's waving the

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Speaker 1: weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your written house example,

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Speaker 1: I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play

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Speaker 1: where I would say the Daniel any analogy Buck is

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Speaker 1: particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds

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Speaker 1: the priminal prosecution brought against him and largely not even

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Speaker 1: cover this story is getting to the whole time. It

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Speaker 1: shows beyond any there's no doubt about the ideological manipulation

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Speaker 1: that goes on with these kinds of stories, and either

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Speaker 1: suppression or elevation into the public consciousness, depending on whether

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Speaker 1: it fits a narrative that is preferable to places like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times the Washington Post. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting as well. I mean that the video is. Particularly

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Speaker 1: it's horrific the additional video. As I'm watching it here, Clay,

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Speaker 1: everyone else on the train is black. She's the only

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Speaker 1: white person on the train, and they leave her, and

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Speaker 1: she is bleeding to death. I don't even see anyone

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Speaker 1: grab a cell phone to call the police. Yeah, call

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Speaker 1: for aid, call for an ambulance. They essentially leave her

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Speaker 1: to die. Uh And and there's no action taken from

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Speaker 1: anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: somebody's looking at their phone they didn't see. I'm not

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Speaker 1: indicting any individual in this video, but I'm saying collectively,

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Speaker 1: in the video, it is quite clear some people knew

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Speaker 1: what was what had just happened, and no one did

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Speaker 1: even the bare humanitarian minimum here, Call the police, See

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Speaker 1: if you can render aid, See if you can You

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Speaker 1: know every you don't have to be first, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to be a first responder to know you gotta

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Speaker 1: stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed in the neck.

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Speaker 1: You know, no one's taking their shirt off, No one's

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Speaker 1: trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here. Nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 1: No one did a darn thing in this video. And

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Speaker 1: the question We played the Brian Stelter audio for you,

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Speaker 1: and we'll play some more of your talk backs when

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Speaker 1: we come back. The question I asked, ask what percentage

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Speaker 3: Play without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like

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Speaker 3: But this would be a local crime story and we

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Speaker 2: Yep. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I bet you are caffeinated to the end degree today

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Speaker 1: to help get through the day, get a little bit

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Speaker 1: extra sleep. And we got a couple people who want

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Speaker 1: to weigh in. Truck driver Steve some good common sense

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Speaker 1: from a truck driver bb.

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Speaker 7: Hey, truck drivers Steve here, guys, Hey, if a person

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Speaker 7: consume McDonald's for a million dollars, sipping hot coffee and

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Speaker 7: burning their lips or whatever. There's no reason a judge

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Speaker 7: and a bible to be held accountable for someone that

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Speaker 7: shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place,

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Speaker 7: for killing that lady or them too late. It's actually anyone.

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Speaker 7: If someone's a repeat offender like that, the judge most

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Speaker 7: certainly needs to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting analogy. Look, judges have to be right

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time when it comes to

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Speaker 1: reviewing crime stats and who should be in who should

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Speaker 1: be out. I do think over time, if you are

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Speaker 1: a judge that is regularly letting violent people on the streets,

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Speaker 1: there should be severe consequences.

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Speaker 3: Welludges. Judges are not going to be thrown in prison

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Speaker 3: for making bad decisions as judges because nobody would take

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Speaker 3: the job as judges to be totally honest as a result,

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Speaker 3: because it's too many risks. But can they be removed

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Speaker 3: for being bad at their jobs? Yes? And should that

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Speaker 3: be done yes, But criminal liability for bad decisions as

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Speaker 3: a judge that doesn't involve bribery or something.

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Speaker 1: Like that, that's not happening.

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Speaker 3: So we just need to go. Let's keep this in

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Speaker 3: the realm of the professional accountability that's maybe achievable and

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Speaker 3: should be achievable, and we will follow this up with

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Speaker 3: more obviously tomorrow here on Clay and Buck