1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: And we are back. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: This is Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and the 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 3: start of our number two and Matt a lot of 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: times we we talk a lot about fantasy football. But 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: I just did a Google search here during the break. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what you came up with. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: Of the different styles of fantasy football. 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Right right, And so we talked about dynasty versus re draft. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: There's a lot of. 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 3: Different things that you can do out there with fantasy 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: football beyond just a straight redraft. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: Let oh yeah there, we're dynasty for creative ones. So 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: I've been on the air with a lot of people 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: that I came up with this idea for a league 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: and it worked pretty well or you know, it's crazy. 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: The first thing I'd like to talk about here is 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: the difference between a dynasty league and a keeper league. 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: A lot of difference. Yeah, dynasty is like dynasty to 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: me is the closest to the NFL, you know where. 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm doing a lot of rookie drafts where 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: Genti's the first pick McMillan or Hunter or Hampton's the 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: next pick, and I have that guy on my roster 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: as long as I want, right. 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: You know, whereas a keeper league, you're redrafting every year 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: and you get to protect yes, five players, there's only 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: three players or two players. 30 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: In a dynasty there's only one startup, which is a 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: blast by the way, where like Josh Allen comes off 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: the board, you know, he never gets drafted again. You know, 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: there's just a rookie draft of dudes coming in. 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: This kind of sucks if you don't. If you jump 35 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: into a dynasty league. 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: Oh, if you get an orphan, you're in troge. It 37 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: takes a while. 38 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to rebuild because that whoever had that 39 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: team before probably didn't really care all that. 40 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 2: Much about it. That often happens. 41 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: That's a huge They dumped everybody the year before. I'm 42 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: gonna go for it this year and then I'm out. 43 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the reason you do this too is everybody 44 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: plays for money. I don't think that's a big shocker. 45 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: If you trade your future first, you have to get 46 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: money from this. I play for pride man ride, right, 47 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: But if you trade your future first, in most leagues, 48 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: you have to pay that year's dues, so you don't 49 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: just trade all your assets going forward, get every old guy. 50 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: You can win it and be like I'm out, you know. 51 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: But a lot of almost all my dynasty leagues, I 52 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: don't really know the people I'm in with, Like I 53 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: could pass them in the hall and I would know 54 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: they are. I mean, we've been in leagues together a bunch. 55 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: But there's also like these safe league systems where they 56 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: hold all them the commission doesn't run away for it. 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: My Dynasty League is the best software for it all, 58 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: but I urge everyone to try it. 59 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: There's some other variations here of things that you can do. 60 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: You've got a Guillotine league. 61 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're getting really popular, and I don't know a 62 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: ton about them. I think it's kind of like, so. 63 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: You don't get to use the waiver wire. I'm just 64 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: reading a definition. H yeah. Yeah. But if you whatever 65 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: team loses each week, I believe is out, That's what 66 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: I say, and their players all become all become free agents. 67 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: Yes, So it's a lot like I should know what this. 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: Is, but like so here, so here, it's a here's 69 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: the definition. These are the difference between you've got Guillotine League, 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: you get a pirate League, Vampire League, Kitchen Synk League, unbiased. 71 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: There's all kinds of different stuff there. 72 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: They both thought up. So the Guillotine League is these 73 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: are more popular than you think. 74 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. Instead of head to head matchups between managers, the 75 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: league is a free for all. 76 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: Yes, you don't play the head to head match up. 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Only one team gets eliminated every but the team. 78 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: That has the lowest score each week. 79 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: Done. 80 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: You're done. 81 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: You're done, and all those dudes become. 82 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: Those guys become free agents and then you get the 83 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: either bid on them or Yeah, I don't know if 84 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: it's a based on the order of finish or however, 85 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: maybe just. 86 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: Get x amount of you know, dollars to spend over 87 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: the court. Maybe I wan't to spend it now because 88 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: if I get eliminated, I can't take them heaven with me, 89 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: you know, after I get guillotined. The Pirate League, this, 90 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: this one's crazy too. 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with the baseball team that plays 92 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: down the show. 93 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: I say, this league everybody turns into Yankees, Dodgers and 94 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: Red Sox after they get good. 95 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: Pirate leagues allow you to steal one active player from 96 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: any team you beat head to head in a matchup. 97 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: Which is crazy if you think if you win like 98 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: your first four games of the can be loaded. You'll 99 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: be loaded. You might not lose again. Yeah, but I 100 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: might steal Barkley off you and then lose them to 101 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: CJ next week. You know what I mean, Like just. 102 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: What I thought, you know, vice versa. If I lose 103 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: my first couple of games, and I honestly, in my 104 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: re draft leagues, I never care about losing the first 105 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the season because I'm still trying 106 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: to figure out, like I'll because I'll take some flyers 107 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: on some guys, and. 108 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: You often start the wrong guys, right, you think these 109 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: are solid dudes, but they're not yet. 110 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you end up, oh, yeah, I'm owing two. 111 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: But I got the first waiver pick. 112 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Up a couple of weeks, right, someone big got hurt, 113 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll get hurt. 114 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: And this guy's got a much bigger role than anybody imagined. Ye, 115 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: and he's emerged. So that doesn't bother me, But in 116 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: this league it will bother me a lot because probably 117 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: getting wiped. 118 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: You know, right, I took McCaffrey first overall, and now 119 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: he's gone because I lost in round one. Now I'm 120 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: in trouble, especially if you'd like the first pick in 121 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: the draft. Everyone's always gonna take that, and your next 122 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: pick was until like twenty four, and that's your best player. 123 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: Now you know after a Week one loss. 124 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: You also have a vampire league. Okay, The vampire leagues 125 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: implement stealing players in an asymmetrical symmetrical fashion. Choose one 126 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: manager to be the vampire however you see fit. They 127 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: will not take part in the draft. 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: So if a twelve team league, eleven people draft, yes. 129 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: So everybody knows who the vampires. 130 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just kind of sitting in the room with 131 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: your teeth out. 132 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: They then build their squad through waiver wire and free 133 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: agent pickups, and normal teams are not allowed to use waivers. 134 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: At all, so the whole year they don't have any waivers. 135 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: And if you lose, you lose to the vampire team. 136 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: He can take a player out of your lineup, so. 137 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: You'd love to play him in Week one. This seems 138 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: gonna be bad. You could still lose, but it's. 139 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: Gonna be oh yeah bad. 140 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: I assume the draft isn't super deep. At least he 141 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: must be somebody, like give him a quarterback. 142 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: Like if it's a twelve team league, maybe only draft 143 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: twelve player. 144 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: I say that would be somewhat fair, because otherwise that vampire. 145 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: Then he would still have some recent I got. 146 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: A quarterback that plays, I have a chance, right, but 147 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: then your first win. Now the vampire is getting stronger 148 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: and stronger. Kitchen sync is one I my buddy Ryan MC. 149 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: That's the next one on here. 150 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: He might have even created it. I forget exactly what 151 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: it was, but it's really interesting. 152 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: Your team positions are as follows. Two to three super flexes, 153 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: eight to twelve flex players, two kickers to defenses, and quarterbacks. 154 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: You just basically start everybody. 155 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: You start the kitchen saying yeah, yeah, yeah, you throw. Okay, 156 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: that's different than I thought. Okay, that one's interesting. You 157 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: might get some zeros. You might yeah, right right. I 158 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: mean that's like best ball too, if. 159 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: You're carrying guys that you just have on are as 160 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: A hope this guy plays at some point. 161 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: I have two kickers if I canna start them both 162 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: and one of them was off that week or whatever too. 163 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of similar. To the no sitting league 164 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: where you don't have any bench spots. You start eight 165 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: to ten players every week and everybody plays. Sometimes that 166 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: takes strategy out of the equation. 167 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: That's why best Ball is so happy or so popular 168 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: this time of year is you can go to like 169 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Underdog Fantasy and you take a Best Ball team, which 170 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: I think is it's a deep roster. It's like, yeah, 171 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: eighteen guys, twenty guys, but you're done when the draft 172 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: is over. The software grabs whoever your best two running 173 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: backs were in week twelve in the lineup, Yeah, you 174 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: might have zero and zero and zero if you everybody 175 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: gets hurted. 176 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: I did those. I did a couple of those when 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: I was doing some stuff for four for four dots 178 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: and we just had some in house Best Ball drafts. 179 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they're fun. 180 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: They're fun, but I forget about them. The draft. The 181 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: draft takes a week basically, Oh, everybody's a long time 182 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: and you're drafting like twenty five players, but then you 183 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: don't do anything. 184 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: Then you don't do anything. Like again, Underdog is a 185 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: really good site for it, and they seem like that's 186 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: the most popular. Like two summers ago, I'm like I 187 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: think we had a promotion through one of my podcasts 188 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: where you get a hundred dollars free on Underdog. I'm like, 189 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: all right, I'll use it. And I did a bunch 190 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: of drafts, then I forgot all about them, and then 191 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: after the season, I'm like, I make money or lose money, 192 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I got forty bucks in my account. 193 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: I guess I didn't do great, you know, but a 194 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: one hundred was three year, you know. Yeah, And it's 195 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: not like boy week twelve, you're rooting for your best 196 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: ball guy. But it's fun this time of year. 197 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just to me, I like to I enjoy 198 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: the week to week strategizing of yeah, yeah, yeah, the 199 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: movement of it all. Looking at schedules. Okay, this guy's 200 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: got that there that you know, I'm going to start 201 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: my studs no matter what. But that second or third receiver? 202 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 3: Who am I starting this week? What's the quarterback situation? 203 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: Look like there's no strategy to beast ball, I mean 204 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: not just set and forget it. 205 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. The difference between an auction league and it's like 206 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: a straight snake draft. 207 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: I've never done an auction and I think it'd be fun. 208 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we did it when when I first started 209 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: at the Observer Reporter in Washington, I had done fantasy 210 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: baseball to that point, and we did it was kind 211 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: of an auction, but it really wasn't. There used to 212 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: be some magazines that were put out that auction prices 213 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: on everything. 214 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: Oh okay this guy. 215 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, So to save time on our draft, because straight auction, 216 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: you're bidding on the players, I said, why don't we 217 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 3: do this. We'll take the auction prices that are in there. Yeah, 218 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: you got to fill you got twenty one roster spots 219 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: that you have to raise. 220 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: A salary cap. 221 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: Everybody is a salary cap, but like three hundred dollars 222 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 3: or whatever, it was right, and you got to keep 223 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: you get a budget for what that is. 224 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Could we both own the same twenty dollars player? No 225 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: draft Like it was the first pick in the draft. 226 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this guy even though he's a dollar. 227 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: It's the best value I've ever seen. Yeah, okay, I'm 228 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: gonna use that. 229 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: I remember the one year we did Carlos Delgado was 230 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: a rookie for some reason. 231 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: On he was a catcher that could hit right well. 232 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: At that point, he caught in the miners. Okay, when 233 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: he came to the majors, he never caught. I don't 234 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 3: think he ever caught in the majors. 235 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: I think he played first for a while. 236 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: Right first, he was an outfielder, but he was on 237 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: our list. He was listed as a catcher. So the 238 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: guy who drafted him took him as a catcher for 239 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: really like a dollar, and he's like Gary Carter and 240 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: he's just like, I'm gonna take this Sea deal. Even 241 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: though his first name, yeah, it was a dollar catcher. 242 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Sea. Del Gatto guy. 243 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: I remember, like Mike Piazza was like gold because he 244 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: was a catcher hitting. 245 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: Well, that was our other rule. So if a guy 246 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: got called up from the mine during the season, wasn't 247 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: on the auction list. 248 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: You got him for a buck. So there's some studs 249 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: you get you I got, I mean Schemes was in 250 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: the mind. 251 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: I got his rookie year for a buck. 252 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: Was he rookie the year? I assumed he was awesome 253 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: from the start, right, yeah, so you would have got 254 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: Schemes for a buck. Well, he would have been on 255 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 2: the list probably, Okay, I thought his rookie year he 256 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: had not see. 257 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: Well he came up, but they I think they knew 258 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: they might have put him on the list because. 259 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: Overalls where you gotta drafted him even though he's a my. 260 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: Pool host in Delgado, kind of came out of nowhere. 261 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: Gotcha, And there was always a lot to do, I'm sure. Wow. 262 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: I mean Mike Trout was probably on the list before. 263 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: He gotcha, gotcha something everybody knew. Okay, but you could. 264 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: I mean so even like when you did trades, you 265 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: had to even the money out unless. 266 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: You capa the cap. The cap didn't go any cap compliant. 267 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 3: So yeah, so if I had I'm at two hundred 268 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: and eighty dollars, but I want to trade for a 269 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: thirty dollars player I got, I get, I gotta dump 270 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: some salary, so it is more like real. 271 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So there's some strategy to keeping 272 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: cap space after the draft. You don't want to be 273 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: all the way up against no. 274 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you better say some cap yeah. 275 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: Okay, because you have to sign a kicker in week 276 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: five like the real world, right, yeah okay. 277 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: And then if if the guy went on, if a 278 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: guy went on this, I'm remembering all this now. If 279 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: a guy went on the disabled list, you got half 280 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: of his cap space. 281 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, he shouldn't count as much. 282 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't like so if he was a twenty 283 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: dollars player, you got Well, he was on the disabled list, 284 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: you got ten. You've got ten dollars in cap space 285 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 3: to replace him. 286 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: Okay, but you can't leave him on the d L 287 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: the second if he gets. 288 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 3: It when he was activated, you got to bring him back. 289 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good way of doing it. 290 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 3: Thought of all that myself. 291 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: No, little, have you ever done a pure auction? 292 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: I have not. 293 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: I bet they get bonkers. 294 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: It would take all day. 295 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: It would take all day, it would take all day. 296 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: But a bunch of dudes pounding beers fighting for McCaffrey 297 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: sixty sixty one dude. Yeah right, But from what I 298 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: understand with auctions, the end is awesome. You're the one sitting. 299 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: There with if you haven't spend all your money. 300 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm like, I'll take him for a buck. 301 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: I'll take him for a buck. Like you can really 302 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: strategize things. Yeah, just some different When you heard of 303 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: DEVI leagues, No, I forget what dev y stands for, 304 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: but it's a form of dynasty. But you can draft 305 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: kids when they're coming out of high school. I mean, 306 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: these dudes are intense. I mean, you've owned Trevor Lawrence 307 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: since he was eighteen, and they're huge rosters and you 308 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: can't play him until you can't play him until he 309 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: gets the league, right, But you have all these college 310 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: dudes eating up space. But when you get there and 311 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Saquon shows up or gent shows up, it's like. 312 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: I don't think I like that. 313 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: It didn't interest me one bit, to be honest, because 314 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: I just I don't know recruiting, and you know you 315 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: really have to. You're drafting nineteen year olds. Half of 316 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: them bust, you know. I mean, it didn't interest me 317 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: at all. Have you ever done IDP? Yeah I did 318 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: a little when I didn't love it. 319 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: I don't love it because tackles aren't a real statistic 320 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: in right. 321 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: And I also think interceptions are for bad players a lot. 322 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: You take corners that get picked on. Yeah, I want 323 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: to get that sacks afye, you know, like that type 324 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: of thing, But it wasn't really for me. 325 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: You're really good corners, nobody throws at them, so no stats, 326 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: they don't. 327 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: Really help you. Or a deep free safety like Menka 328 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: doesn't make many tackles because he's not in the line 329 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: of scrimmage, but doesn't mean he's not good, you know, 330 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: like that kind of thing. You know, and you some 331 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: scorers are better for tackles than others, and they're better. 332 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: You better know that the stats. Yeah, the Broncos do this. 333 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: So that the league I was thinking about that I 334 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: thought was the kitchen Sink League was my buddy Ryan 335 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: created it where it's a dynasty startup. But if one owner, 336 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: I think they don't get a pick in the first 337 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: five rounds. So you start picking like late in the 338 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: dynasty startup, so all the good guys are gone, but 339 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: they're still you still build a respectable roster. But your 340 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: reward for doing that is you get every rookie pick 341 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: in the first round the next year, so you get 342 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: twelve of the best rookies after year one. So you're young. 343 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: But it's just do you want to be that guy 344 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: or do you want to be I can't exactly how 345 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: that goes, but there's a lot of these weird roles 346 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: like that. 347 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a lot of different ways you can 348 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: do it, and you know, a lot of it's fun. Yeah, yeah, 349 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: you know different ways. The guy that finishes last has 350 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: to buy the food, or he has to do this 351 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: or you know where silly had to work. 352 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, dress whatever. 353 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: So fun. I don't when people get angry at us 354 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: for talking fantasy football. And there are some like you 355 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: probably haven't tried it. 356 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not into you're not into it. 357 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: That's cool, I get it. 358 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: But it's fun. 359 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 360 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: Anyways, let's get to a break. 361 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: Bazillion different leagues out there though. 362 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. 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We can always come running, you know. 383 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: So, Matt Pro Football Focus has put together a list 384 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: of the three best players, yeah, on each team, something 385 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: they do every year. 386 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting. 387 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 3: And for the Steelers, the three best players listed are 388 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: t J. Watt, Sure, Cameron Hayward, I think they're the 389 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: easy two, and DK Metcalf. 390 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it's kind of like the quarterback conversation. I 391 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: only clicked on the Steelers. Would they be your three? 392 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: I have a top to would he be your third? 393 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: I mean everyone's gonna have Watton, Hayward, Minka has a 394 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: strong case. I don't think Zach Frasier's too far off 395 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: at this point, Like I think he's a top five 396 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: center already. 397 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: And I was kind of actually surprised that it wasn't high. 398 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: Smith grades really really well on Pro Football folks actually. 399 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: Her big those two. No, I'm not suggesting he should 400 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: be on there, but they have like four of the 401 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: top ten pass Rush grades. Yeah, you know, include and 402 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: cam I supposed to be a good one. I think 403 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: Minco would be my pick still of just who's the 404 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: best three. 405 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: My only problem with putting Metcalf on that list is 406 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: that you're greeting him on what he did in Seattle. 407 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: So by that metric, would that have been George Pickens. 408 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 409 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't care about their grades 410 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: so much. I mean, I don't that's what they're using. 411 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: We actually the three best dealers are Wa, Hayward and 412 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: Bosworth or boz Well what I call Bosworth the boz Yeah, 413 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: Boswell is better. I mean, if you think about it, 414 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean they should not put Kickers on there, yeah, 415 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're talking about who's the best at 416 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: what they do, he's the top of the list. But 417 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: I think Minco would be my third, just on the 418 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: eyeball test. 419 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 3: I don't think Fraser's far off though, No, I don't 420 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: think he is either. 421 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: And it's easier to be a top five center than 422 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: is a top five wide receiver, and but I don't 423 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: think Metcalf's the top five wide receiver. 424 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: But I think Fraser is the top five center. Let's 425 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: look at some of these other ones. Yeah, for the 426 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals, it's Trey McBride, Kyler, Murray, Buddha Baker. 427 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad Baker absolutely should be on there. Paris 428 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Johnson could be knocking on the door. A lot to 429 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: pick from, sort of stars. 430 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: For the Falcons, Jesse Bates, Chris Lindstrom, b Jon Robinson. 431 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with that. Lyndstrom's a certain type of guard. 432 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: He's a polar Space guy. Wouldn't fit every system but 433 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: that they asked him to do. It's Arthur Smith's own 434 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: stuff mostly still For. 435 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: The ravens Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Kyle, Hamilton. 436 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: Yep, Linderbaum or Metabuke. I think i'd take Hamilton and. 437 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: A Bookie wasn't all that greatly two years ago. 438 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: He was much better. Yeah, Rokwan is the same thing. 439 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: I think I'd go with Hamilton as the third. 440 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: For the Bills. This one might surprise some people. Josh Allen, 441 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: Dion Dawkins, Christian Benford. 442 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: Benford is a corner no one ever talks about that 443 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: really is a good player that just doesn't have the 444 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: pedigree or the household name. I got no problem with that. 445 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't look at Dion Dawkins though. 446 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: As a The thing is they don't really star laden team. 447 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: They really aren't. 448 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a solid roster, but it's not superstars 449 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: for as many games as they win. 450 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. For the Panthers, it's Derek Brown they missed all year. 451 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: J C. 452 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 3: Horn, Taylor Moten, Okay. 453 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: Moten's a lot like Dawkins to me, like quality player 454 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 2: that is a B level tackle, you know. 455 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: For the Bears, Jalen Johnson, DJ Moore, Kyler Gordon. 456 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 2: Gordon's a great slot all around type dude. Yeah, Like, 457 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm not fighting any of these so far. 458 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: I don't know that I want my slot though, to 459 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 3: be one of my three best players. 460 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: You'd rather you left tackle? 461 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, two cornerbacks and a wide receivers. 462 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: Like cayleb Williams on that list last year. Right. 463 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 3: For the Bengals, Borrow Chase and Bricks Burrow Chase Henderson. 464 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 465 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 466 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: For the Browns, Garrett question Mark, question Mark. 467 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: Denzel Ward. Okay, they love Denzel Ward. 468 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: Is he easyff favorite, easy, good player, But there are 469 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: some corners they fall in love with. 470 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and David and Joku. 471 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: Not great. 472 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: I don't know how they get over the David and 473 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: Joku drops. 474 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: They doesn't have a lot of candidates, true, yeah, I 475 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: mean other than Garrett's words are fine number two, but 476 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: then you're stretching. 477 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 3: For the Cowboys. 478 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 2: That needs to be Mason Graham next year. Yeah, Judkins 479 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: or you. 480 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: Know, Micah Parsons, Ceedee Lamb, Dak Prescott. Well, you're not 481 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: going to see a lot of running backs necessarily on 482 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: this list because some positions, by their grades, get judged 483 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: differently than others. 484 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure i'd love them sometime to really know their formula. 485 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't whatever. Tyler Smith could be in the conversation. 486 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: Parsons and Lamb are easy for. 487 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: The Broncos, Patrick Certain, Quinn, Miners, Courtland Sutton. 488 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it might be like Benito instead of Sutton. 489 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: Certain and Miners are strong. 490 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: For the Lions a Mon Ross, Saint Brown, Aiden Hutchinson, 491 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: Pinasol Yeah. 492 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 493 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: And the fact that Seul was third on that list. 494 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh these are an order too. Oh yeah, Okay, I mean, 495 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: like a branch doesn't make it, you know, there's yeah, 496 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: Gibbs doesn't make it. Golf. 497 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: For the Packers, Xavier McKinney, Josh Jacobs, in offensive tackles, 498 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: Zach Tom. 499 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: They're not a real star powered team either. It's not 500 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: a bad it's probably the picks. Tom's a solid right tackle. 501 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: They could use another stud. 502 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: For the Texans, Nico Collins, will Anderson, Derek. 503 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: Stingley pretty good, pretty young too. 504 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 3: For the Colts, Quentin Nelson, Bernard Raymond, DeForest Buckner. 505 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: I said they're not gonna have a great group. It's 506 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: not really Jonathan Taylor at this point. Yeah, all these 507 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: edge rushers, they keep drafting. 508 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 3: Left side of your offensive line in a thirty defensive 509 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: tackle who really hasn't had the last couple of years 510 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: have not been great. 511 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: And I don't think Nelson's quite what he used to be, 512 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: Like he's not on a Hall of Fame pace like 513 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: everyone thought he'd be after three years. And Raymond's been 514 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: really good for a short arm tackle. 515 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: Yeah it was twenty five when he came in. 516 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's a suspect or after. 517 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: Kind of Jacksonville. Josh Heinz Allen, Brian Thomas, Trevor Lawrence, 518 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: Lawrence is on the line. The fact that Trevor Lawrence 519 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: is on that list is damning for the Jaguars because 520 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: he maybe not good to be there, you would hope. Yeah, 521 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 3: there's the number one overall picking the draft, much like Lawrence. 522 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: We saw and that we know Lawrence had a bad 523 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: year last ye. 524 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot many candidates. It's got to 525 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: be Hunter next year. You know, you need Lawrence to 526 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: be on it. For the Chiefs, Mahomes, Mahomes, Chris Jones, Humphrey, 527 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie, Okay, I wouldn't think it's Kelsey anymore. 528 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 3: But for the Chargers justin Herbert Khalil Mack Rashaun Slater, 529 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: Fair Max. 530 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: Is still really good. 531 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: For the Rams, pookin the Kua, Matthew Stafford, Jared. 532 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: Vers, it's probably one of the d linemen. Solid. 533 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: For the Raiders, I may put Adams on there, Max Crosby, 534 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins, Bruck Bauers. 535 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: Nice to get Wilkins back. Those are the names for. 536 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: The Dolphins, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Ramsey, Jayleen Waddle. Yeah, hence 537 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 3: some of their problems right right, because you're not getting 538 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: a ton out of Ramsey and Hill lately, and they 539 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: both might be elsewhere soon. 540 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 541 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 3: For the Vikings, justin Jefferson easily, Christian darrisaw Brian O'Neil. 542 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: That you like receiver and two tackles. Good start for 543 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback. 544 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: For the Patriots. 545 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: That's gonna be tough. 546 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, Milton Williams, Okay, Robert Splaine, what do 547 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: you want? 548 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure he grades better for them than we would 549 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: have them ranked. 550 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: And as I said yesterday, the Patriots somehow are favored 551 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: in eleven of their games right now. And your third 552 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: best player is Robert flipping Spallaine. 553 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they need like digs to rebound or bar more 554 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 2: to show he's healthy. Robert Splaine, Right, he should not 555 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: be in your top three. He shouldn't be anywhere on 556 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: this list. He wouldn't be an all of Bama's top three. 557 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 3: No, would he make any other team's top three list. 558 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't think he wouldn't even. 559 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: Been on the Raiders list. 560 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: No, we just did the Raiders better than Christian Wilkins, right. 561 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: The Raiders was Max Crosby. Christian Wilkins, brock Bowers right right. 562 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: Now, I'm maybe we'll come to one and be like maybe, 563 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: I don't think and the rosters a lot better now 564 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: it was last year, but not seven games better, no, 565 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: six games better whatever. 566 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 3: For the Saints, the Mario Davis, Eric McCoy, Chrys Olave's. 567 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: I'd still have a lave in there. Yeah, McCoy is 568 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: a good center. 569 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: Splain wouldn't crack that now, He's not better than those three. 570 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: For the Giants, Dexter Lawrence, Andrew Thomas, Malik Neighbors. 571 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: They don't lack stars. 572 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 573 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 574 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: For the Jets, Quinn Williams, Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner. 575 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Their their question is like who's four? 576 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: For the Eagles A J. Brown, my lot of Lane Johnson. 577 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, se Kwon Barkley. I mean it's tough running back. Yeah, 578 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: I mean I can't argue with those three, but yeah, 579 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ones that Patriots could use. Some 580 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: of those guys. For the Seahawks, Blaine would not crack 581 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: the evenings list. 582 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: Seahawks have Devin Witherspoon, Jackson Smith and jay By Charles Cross. 583 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: And need to get a little better. Yeah, it's okay. 584 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: You know, San Francisco is Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, George Kettle. 585 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Trent Williams doesn't make a list anymore. 586 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: I mean coming off kind of a down injured year 587 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: for the Buccaneers. Mike Evans, Tristan Wurfs, Antoine Winfield pretty good. 588 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Godwin's coming off a really good year. 589 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: The Titans. 590 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: Moose Blaine might be in this conversation. 591 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons, Yes, Calvin Ridley to Vandre Sweat. 592 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: He would not crack that one. But Sweat's coming off 593 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: a really good year. Yeah, it'd be nice if it 594 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: was Latham or Scronsky, Well, war it would be great. 595 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: Were the Commanders, they're the second worst group. Yeah, the 596 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: last one here. Jane Daniels, Terry McLaurin, Bobby Wagner. 597 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: Wagner still. 598 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: Says a little bit about the roster. 599 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, who else would you pick? That's what I'm hearing thinking, 600 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: is Tunsel's coming off a bad year or two? The 601 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: one guards Cosmy is good, but he got hurt. Yeah, 602 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: pains not as good as he was when they signed him. 603 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: Saints Truel. That roster's not as goods people think, especially 604 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: on defense. I can't argue with the picks. I don't 605 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: think it's debo. 606 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: Not that you want to see a fall off from 607 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: Cam Hayward or t J. 608 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: Watt. 609 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: No, of course not KF not be on this list. 610 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: But if we do this list a year from now 611 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: and one of the Steelers two offensive tackles is on that. 612 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: List, you'd be pretty happy, really happy. Yeah, Porter could 613 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: be on that list. I mean it was a premium position. 614 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: That's why Joe March drafting premium position. 615 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 616 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Right, who Frasier, I actutely think is knocking on the 617 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: door already. 618 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were only one center on there, though. 619 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't Cooy was the only one. Coy. Yeah, they 620 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: weren't real kind No rag Now Linderbaum didn't make it, Okay, 621 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. 622 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if you want your best player to 623 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: be a center. 624 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: No, I don't think you do. 625 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: But I do think like at one point for the Steelers, 626 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: you know DERMANI was you know, Rod Woodson, Dermany, Dawson, 627 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: Greg Lloyd. 628 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure Pouncey made that list a lot in 629 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: PFF history. Well, they were always mean. 630 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: To him already, they hated. 631 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: The bouncy for whatever reason. They love some corners and 632 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: they're some centers they don't like. 633 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's pouncy, does more than any other center 634 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: in the league. But we're not going to grate him 635 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: as high as Bene Jones and Tennessee who blocks in 636 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: a phone booth. 637 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember us doing the drive and that was 638 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: like the exact right up. We were talking about like 639 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: the top thirty two centers they did back then, and 640 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: he was like twenty five first line. She guys ask 641 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: him to do more in any center in the league, but. 642 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, he does more combo blocks and polls. 643 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: And single blocks against Dexter Lawrence types or Chris Jones. 644 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna grade him worse than some slappy and 645 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: yeah Jacksonville. I don't think they grade on a curve. 646 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it's different if your blocking Chris Jones one 647 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: on one as opposed to you know, Isaiah louder Milk, 648 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: it's not the same level, you know, same assignment. No, right, no, 649 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: especially with help. Yeah, it's one of the problems that 650 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: I have with their grading. 651 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 652 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the many problems I have with the 653 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: grading system. 654 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: Cover guys in o' linement tend to Okay, I'll use 655 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: it as a guideline, but definitely not a rule. 656 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but interesting list. I just disagree with too 657 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: many of their choices. 658 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: No, I mean there's good players left off. 659 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the better the team, the more good players as 660 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: you have. 661 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: Eagles have a ton, Yeah, Eagles have a ton. You 662 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: Chiefs have a fair amount of good ones that didn't 663 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: make it. Of course playoff teams, but yeah, it's kind 664 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: of an interesting You get a feel for the team. 665 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: Like the Bills stood out to me like they've been 666 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: a ton of games. Who's their second best player? 667 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert Splain still isn't cracking that list. 668 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: No, only one team he makes it, and I would 669 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: hope that he's not on their list next year, even 670 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: if he has a really good year. 671 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 3: They got nothing against because he's a former steel that's 672 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: not the intent. He is a he's a he is 673 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: what he is. He's a He's a solid football player, 674 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: but he shouldn't be one of your stars. 675 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: No, No, I mean they were happy to sign him, 676 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: The Raiders are really happy with them. Great and he's 677 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: having going on to have a good career. But as 678 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: much as the Patriots have invested in that roster in 679 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: the last three and sixty five days. He needs to 680 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: be eighth or twelfth, twelfth, Yeah, right, right right. I 681 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 2: mean Milton Williams is a good one on there, at 682 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: least they invested in them. But Drake may needs to 683 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: be on there. Dravan Henderson, Yeah, Campbell. 684 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: Right, let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson. 685 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Driver and 686 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more right 687 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: after this. 688 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: He is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 689 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 690 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 691 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is 692 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and Matt by this time tomorrow when 693 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: we get together, let me have some ideas about any 694 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: potential rule changes that. 695 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: He comes up with. They're chatting about it as we 696 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: speak right now. I would imagine, and I would think Wednesday, 697 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: all that stuff comes out. 698 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: Push push schedule or not schedule, playoff. 699 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: The playoff formatting. We talked about that the other day. 700 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: That's big. I mean, tush push has been talked to death. 701 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: But that playoff and all that kind of stuff could 702 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: be a monster change. I'm not sure it'll happen, but 703 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: I wonder. 704 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: I guess it would go into effect right away. 705 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: No reason not to. It doesn't change how anyone plays. 706 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: No, I mean, you're still going to try to make 707 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's the right idea. 708 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: It's not like, hey, I built my team to win 709 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: this division, only you still could win the division and 710 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: get in the playoffs. 711 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just one of those like that's one of 712 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: the things that I don't like about changing the way 713 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: the playoffs are formatted. There should be some kind of 714 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: reward beyond just making the playoffs for winning your division. 715 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: That's my biggest problem with it, you know, because it 716 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: helps build rivalries. The AFC nor is one of the 717 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: best examples. These coaches all know each other. There's not 718 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: a ton of change that. Again, I've told the story 719 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: a million times, but the Ears with the Browns, Phil 720 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: Savage would start every draft meeting with a prayer. He's 721 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: a religious guy. And then how do we beat the Steelers? 722 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: You know, it was the best team in the division. 723 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: We're the worst even in the division. So to get 724 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: to where we're at but we need someone to cover 725 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: hins Ward or block this guy, you know, right right, yeah, 726 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: I mean there's I mean, I don't think why you're 727 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: black as an accident after the Raven situation, you know, 728 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: like it's it's there's something to be said for that, 729 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: and that's the path to get in the playoffs. I 730 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: do think you should at least host a game. 731 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's your reward for winning your division, 732 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: being the best of your four team group. 733 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a good idea or a 734 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: bad idea, but what if all the division winners hosted 735 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 2: a game? But even if you're the seven seed, you 736 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: might play a tougher game, but at least you get 737 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: it in your building. 738 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 3: That's your rules and what's kind of what's happening now though, 739 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: if you were the if I'm the if I was 740 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 3: the four seed, I'm playing the toughest wildcard team. That's 741 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: probably which is where everybody well that wildcard team was 742 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: thirteen and three and that division winner was nine and eight. 743 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, but they wont when your division 744 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: right right right? Yeah? I can't it as is I 745 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: do too. 746 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's again it matters, you know, 747 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 3: whether you win your division if you if you do this. 748 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: And here's the thing, it's not like everybody plays the 749 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 3: same schedule. 750 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: Right, So the fact you have six of your seventeen 751 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 2: games in the division, is that more than like Major 752 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: League Baseball percentage wise? Yeah, or hockey or basketball or 753 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but it has to be near 754 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: the top of the league in terms of what percentage 755 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: of your schedule is division games amongst all sports. It 756 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 2: has to be super high. 757 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, because those games matter more. 758 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, so even the conference matters a little more. 759 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: Right. 760 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 2: There's not that many NFC games for a reason, right, 761 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 2: you know, Like AFC is like we got all these 762 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: damn quarterbacks we got to deal with. How are we 763 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: going to do that? I mean, that has to be 764 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 2: one of the even if you're not in the North 765 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: against If we're going. 766 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 3: To do it this way, then how about you just 767 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: whatever fourteen teams finish with the highest I was going 768 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: to say the best record, and then we'll just pull 769 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: them out of a hat and decide who goes where. 770 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: It's the NCAA Tournament. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, Okay, 771 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: well Bama has two losses, but they're one of the 772 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: best teams are going doesn't but. 773 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 3: They're going to be in this bracket, and that team's 774 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 3: going to be in that bracket. 775 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: It's the NCAA tournament. Yeah, you know, it's March madness. 776 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter. Why kind of what it would be? 777 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: Why stop? 778 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: Why stop with this? Let's just okay, open it up. 779 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. What if the best four teams in the AFC 780 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: are all in one division? They all go, Yeah, because 781 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: they deserve it. Yeah. I like it the way it is. 782 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: I just don't see a reason to reinvent the wheel here. 783 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 2: Hmm. 784 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what we're real Because last year the 785 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 3: Vikings went fourteen and three and were a wild card. 786 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: They should have lost their last two games, right, Yeah. 787 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 3: They had an opportunity to win the division and they failed. 788 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: And then they didn't have a brutal game. They were 789 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: on the road, but they played the four seed, right, 790 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 2: I mean, he played the worst division leader. It's like 791 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: you had to play the Lions again. Yeah. Yeah, I 792 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: would just leave it as it is. 793 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I still think division games matter. And if you 794 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 3: take away that home if and now all of a sudden, 795 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 3: your division winner can end up again the reason they 796 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 3: wanted they want to do well. That one year Seattle 797 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 3: went eight and nine, and they would have been this 798 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: or eight and or seven and eight, seven and nine, Yeah, 799 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 3: there's seven, eight and one, whatever it was, whatever it was, right, 800 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 3: and they hosted a game. 801 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so that happened once once in the right, right, 802 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: right right. And I know the playoffs formats have sort 803 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: of changed over the years or how many teams go 804 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: and all that, but is that the only I think 805 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: it's the only time in NFL history that a team 806 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: of the losing record hosted a playoff. 807 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 3: But that's the one that everybody always well that one 808 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: time Seattle once once, right, right, right, yeah, I mean 809 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 3: there's by the way, they won the damn game. 810 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: And they won, right yeah, that was the Lynch beastquake game. 811 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: I think I beat the Saints. 812 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: Which again goes there, well that shouldn't happen. Well then, 813 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 3: right right, maybe you maybe you weren't quite as good 814 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: as what you thought you were. I think rivalries are 815 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 3: I mean, hey, i've seen the Steelers, you know, in 816 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 3: in two thous an eleven had to go to an 817 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 3: eight and eight Denver team. I think the Steelers won 818 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 3: eleven games that year. Yeah, you know, it is, it 819 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 3: is what it is. They lost that game. Part of 820 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 3: it was because they Bryan Clark couldn't play there because 821 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: of yeah, right, situation. But it is what it is. 822 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: You know. I lean that way too, and we did 823 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: break this down earlier in the week, but it should 824 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 2: be noted. I think what they are trying to accomplish 825 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: is no one resting players, right, you know, I mean. 826 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 3: Come up with a different penalty to the teams start 827 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: finding them. 828 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you can winning your division deserves more than 829 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: a wild card. You can remember it is. 830 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: You can rest your players, but we're going to find you. 831 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, they're not on the injury report. You're getting 832 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 3: find a million dollars. 833 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I know, I mean, I just 834 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 2: it doesn't even have to be a negative penalty. It's 835 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 2: just give them some incentive to play. But I don't 836 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: think that's it. Yeah, someone smarter than us configure out, 837 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 2: you know. But I do think if you win your 838 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: play win your division, you should host a playoff camp. 839 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: Those fans are like, we helped get you there. We 840 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 2: get to go to the playoff camp. You know, we 841 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: won the division were the best team against the Ravens, 842 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 2: Bengals and Browns. 843 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 3: You know, I think the blind draw, do the blind 844 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 3: draw for the playoffs, but. 845 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: They just totally pick out why not? 846 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 3: Why not? Then everybody's in the same boat. 847 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: I think it's fine now it is, word's not broke. 848 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 3: Don't fix it, give up, give out four top seeds 849 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 3: and you know, make those two. I don't know, I 850 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 3: don't know it. Just don't mess with what's. 851 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: Not a lot of change and it doesn't have to happen. 852 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 2: I don't know. In the end, I just think if 853 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 2: you win your division shows a game, I do too. 854 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 2: You know, however that works. 855 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 3: Out anyways, Matt, that's going to do it for today's show. 856 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 3: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for CJ Wolfy here 857 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: on site running the CJ Wolfy hotline in the soundboard today, 858 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 3: and for Tyler Vittmeyer making sure our video gets out 859 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 3: there on the YouTube gives a thumbs up on that. 860 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 3: We appreciate that. I am Dale Lolly. 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