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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It's July thirtieth, and people are

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Speaker 1: she didn't do. With that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. I threw police in there. I should

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Speaker 1: make sure I make clear she's not being accused of crime.

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Speaker 2: No, no crime, but maybe a crime against humanity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this has gotten out of control. Robes and some

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Speaker 1: people listening to us might be already aware. But before

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Speaker 1: we even tell you what they're what they're accusing her

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Speaker 1: of doing, can you give an example of the kinds

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Speaker 1: of things being said right now about Oprah Winfrey.

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Speaker 2: Oprah is a greedy and heartless human. Oprah is this

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Speaker 2: is terrible. I don't even want to say this. Oprah

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Speaker 2: the fat Satan is bitch.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to say fat, but I felt worse

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Speaker 3: But how about this.

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Speaker 2: Don't think for one second that Oprah is a good human.

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Speaker 2: Oprah Winfrey is a vile, disgusting excuse of a human being.

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Speaker 1: Good Lord, have mercy. What did Oprah do? I actually

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of the comments before I had a

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Speaker 3: Oprah was the trending topic? Correct? Was it just her name?

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Speaker 3: Oprah was trending?

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Speaker 2: That was it? And so that's, you know, curious, what

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Speaker 2: And to think that it's all connected to the biggest

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Speaker 2: one of yes, the biggest earthquakes ever recorded in the

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Speaker 1: That is such a good way to put it. An

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Speaker 3: How is that actually possible?

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Speaker 1: Will you please connected?

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: So she is being accused of keeping a road, a

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Speaker 1: And of course folks were trying to get to higher ground.

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Speaker 1: It was a big story overnight, big earthquake off the

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Speaker 1: waves of consequence, as they put it, but still waves

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Speaker 3: I believe one of the largest recorded.

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Speaker 2: They actually called them a tsunami wave because they were

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Speaker 2: I don't have a gauge of how significant that is.

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Speaker 2: But there was no damage and there were no injuries.

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Speaker 2: But obviously people remember, yes, the disaster in Puquet in Thailand,

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Speaker 1: So that's the backdrop of the story. This was a

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Speaker 1: cut through, essentially, and that cut through is a private

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Speaker 1: road that is on private property owned by me. It's

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey. So somehow, some way robes it got going

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Speaker 2: You know, it really is remarkable that it feels like

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Speaker 2: As soon as they hear something that could possibly say

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Speaker 3: How dare you? They pounce with evil rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is disgusting and dispa and obviously

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Speaker 2: than this rumor that took off like wildfire on the internet.

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Speaker 1: It took off, and I'm still seeing her name and

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Speaker 2: It's as if they want to believe that she closed

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Speaker 2: Someone who's rich and someone who's powerful, or someone maybe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't in defensible prah Winfrey. They have statements

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Speaker 1: why can we not? Is this people though robes projecting

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Speaker 1: this really have nothing to do with a road? Does

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Speaker 2: Yes, and for people who already didn't like her, perhaps

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Speaker 2: When you have someone whose ideology is different than yours,

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Speaker 3: They're actually horrible.

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Speaker 1: That's on me. That didn't even politics didn't cross my

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Speaker 1: We don't have to because the Maui Police defended Oprah Winfrey.

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Speaker 1: Maui Police, yes, put out a statement and they said

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Speaker 2: And from what I understand, they put out that alert

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Speaker 1: And you just mentioned another I think another video that

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Speaker 1: It looked like literally they were shutting people out in

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Speaker 2: They had a very strict amount of cars, just traffic control,

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Speaker 2: So to keep order, police set a limit of fifty

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Speaker 1: You know what, even if you want to believe that

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say that.

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Speaker 2: These past two weeks have been any more significant than

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Speaker 2: They probably are thousands of miles away from Hawaii and

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Speaker 2: They prefer to jump to conclusions and just say horrible things.

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Speaker 2: That's scary to me that there are that many people

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Speaker 1: And when you say scary things, folks, we shared a

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Speaker 1: with this story that's kind of run amook, would you say, robes.

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Speaker 1: People are attacking and viciously attacking Oprah Winpley online because

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Speaker 1: So we're just going to say she's there lying. Is

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Speaker 1: I'm still in the past few seconds. These things are

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Speaker 2: There is a massive distrust for anyone who has money.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, But when do we ever give anybody the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: I loathe her. Someone wrote we should truly eat the rich.

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Speaker 1: And if anything, ever, mind you hear folks, don't believe

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Speaker 1: Right, folks, Well man dah, I'm sorry, all right, right right, Well,

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Speaker 2: We have nothing nice to say, we can say nothing

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Speaker 2: at all. And that's perhaps just a win for this Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: So we want to thank you all for listening to

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Speaker 2: us do our little rant, but we do hope you're

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Speaker 2: having a wonderful day to day.

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Speaker 3: I may Bee robot alongside TJ Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, everybody,