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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the Fish Stripes podcast channel where we cover your Miami

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Speaker 1: Marlins every day in our own way. I'm Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 1: you know that, managing editor of Fish Stripes. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot easier to record these pods coming off a win,

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Speaker 1: going into an off day. Coming off a win, for sure,

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Speaker 1: in what was a stressful but ultimately successful series for

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Speaker 1: the Marlins in Atlanta against the Braves, taking two out

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Speaker 1: of three, sweating it out until the very end, heading

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Speaker 1: into this new week in second place in the National

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Speaker 1: League East Division. Most of this podcast episode is my

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Speaker 1: interview with Rod Allen. He's the new analyst for Ballet

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Speaker 1: Sports Florida and Marlins Radio. We get into the work

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Speaker 1: that he's doing covering the team this season, how the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers organization. So the timing could not have been

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Speaker 1: I was delighted by how easy was to talk to

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Speaker 1: listening to that interview. In just a few minutes before that,

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Speaker 1: each game of that series between the Marlins and Braves,

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Speaker 1: forward with this Marlins team. Stick with us. So the

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Speaker 1: three game set between the Marlins and the Braves, starting

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Speaker 1: with Friday Night, a three to nothing shutout loss for

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Speaker 1: and he surpassed them. He was dealing six shutout innings

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Speaker 1: The dust settles. Marlins win two out of three in

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Speaker 4: But he brought it up, Miguel Cabrera. He is by

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Speaker 4: mine that maybe you should throw your hat in that ring.

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00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: I had been out of the game for about three

435
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 4: years and I wanted to get back into baseball, that's

436
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: no question about that. I love baseball, love analyzing baseball.

437
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: But you know, these broadcasters' jobs, they don't grow on trees,

438
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 4: and especially for a career minor league player like myself.

439
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't a huge major league name.

440
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: And you know a lot of those guys are the

441
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: guys that have the big league broadcasting gigs, not career

442
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 4: minor leaguers that spent fifteen years in the minors in

443
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 4: three years in Japan. These jobs usually don't come to

444
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: guys like us. But I really excelled at the job

445
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: when I had it for twenty one years.

446
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: I threw my name in that hat down in Miami,

447
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: I got an interview. I went down there. I interviewed

448
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: in front of some Marlin's people.

449
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 4: I interviewed in front of some Ballet's people and some

450
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: very prominent people, and apparently I nailed the interview with

451
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: my broadcast skills and they offered me the job. And

452
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: I thought it was just going to be on television

453
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 4: pre games and games, but that turned into radio, which

454
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 4: was my first love of broadcasting games. And I thank

455
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: Jason for that over the Marlins for providing me with

456
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: that opportunity. So that's how I got the job. I mean,

457
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: I knew the right people. They got me in the door.

458
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: So people said some very nice things about me, h,

459
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: the way that I handled my business, the way that

460
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 4: I've handled my life, and they gave me.

461
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: An opportunity to shine in that in that interview, and.

462
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: They ended up pulling my hat, my name out of

463
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Speaker 4: the hat.

464
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: So I'm elated to be here and the people have

465
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: been just wonderful to me.

466
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Speaker 1: And you made it sound like an easy decision to

467
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: at least go back into broadcasting. I'm curious about that

468
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: because I was familiar with you before you came to

469
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: the Marlins, you know, following along what you do on

470
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: social media and how you were saying busy saying around

471
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: your family. So was that an easy that really was

472
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: an easy call for you to go back. Was there

473
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Speaker 1: a certain point where you just realized that this family

474
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: time there was there was a way to balance the

475
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Speaker 1: family time and the work.

476
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: Well, if if anybody has been a part of an

477
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 4: organization or fraternity, and sometimes we in baseball we say

478
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 4: we're in a fraternity those of us have played in

479
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 4: the big leagues, I mean, it really hasn't been that.

480
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Many Major League just over the course of the history

481
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: of the game.

482
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what the numbers are, but there

483
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 4: ain't that many guys that have put on a big

484
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: league uniform and played the game. And then when you're

485
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: getting around that fraternity and you have that every day

486
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: and I had that basically for forty years, and I

487
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: missed that. And so even though the family was great,

488
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: you know, we had a couple of additions as far

489
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 4: as grandkids were concerned, and they were wonderful. They kept

490
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: your mind going, they keep you young, they keep you fresh.

491
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: But I love baseball and I wanted to talk to

492
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: some baseball again, and I wanted to get back in

493
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 4: the game. And I'm happy to be back in the game.

494
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: So it was an easy decision for me to come back.

495
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Speaker 1: Right The announcement about you joined Ballet Sports Florida only

496
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: came about a month ago, right around spring training. Did

497
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Speaker 1: you know before that that this is coming together? Did

498
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: that officially wait on Celestia lockout, It just seems like

499
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

500
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Speaker 4: I mean I interviewed, I mean a couple of months ago,

501
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, so, I mean, I don't know what decision

502
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: was made, but I was getting a little antsy. I'm

503
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: not gonna I'm not gonna lie to you. And I

504
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 4: knew that I had a very good interview. I knew

505
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: I knew the right people. I kept in contact with

506
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: Brett over at the Valley's Sports Florida, and you know,

507
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 4: I knew I was still in the mix, and I

508
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: didn't know how it would shakeout. And I finally got

509
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: a call from him one day, I mean, very close

510
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: to spring training.

511
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: He was I. As soon as he gave me the call,

512
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: I hunt up the phone.

513
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Speaker 4: I'm making plans to get down the spring training because

514
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: I got to learn an old new organization.

515
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: So it was late, but.

516
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: You know, God is always on time, so I had

517
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Speaker 4: no problem with it. You know when he did finally

518
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 4: give me a call, yeah.

519
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad it worked out and that and we're going

520
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: to get into this team later on. About this twentywo

521
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: minles Seamon, what you were able to learn during spring

522
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: training on studying up kind of at the last minute,

523
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: from what you were able to do what I wanted

524
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: to do in the middle here, of course, is talk

525
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: about kind of the man of the hour all across

526
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Speaker 1: baseball and Miguel Caprera as he's reaching another milestone and

527
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Speaker 1: arguably this is the most prescigious one that you can

528
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: reach as an active player, get into three thousand career hits.

529
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Speaker 1: We're recording this on Friday, as he's at two. He

530
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: was close to it just the day before, and fingers

531
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Speaker 1: crossed that he gets it over the weekend so that

532
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: when people listen to this, he'll have already achieved that milestone.

533
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: He was already a very established star player for the

534
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: Marlins when he got traded to the Tigers fourteen and

535
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: a half years ago. And as you mentioned up top,

536
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: you were already with the team covering the Tigers winning

537
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: Emmy Awards on a team without him. But I'm sure

538
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: you were familiar with him and what he had accomplished

539
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: with the Marlins. When did that you're thinking about him change?

540
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: Where at first it's like, this is a great player

541
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Speaker 1: coming to the Tigers too, this is one of the

542
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: greatest players ever. What were the moments and the interactions

543
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: with him that made you realize how special he was?

544
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: Well?

545
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: I knew about Miguil Cabrera obviously when he was with

546
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: the Florida Marlins because of who he was and the

547
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 4: talent that he had. Everybody in baseball. If you were

548
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: in baseball, you knew about Miguil Cabrera. And when David

549
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: Brownsie was able to pull off that trade acquiring him

550
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: and also Dontrelle Willis, it was probably one of the

551
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: best trades.

552
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: That in the last twenty years.

553
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: I mean, there's been some other ones that I don't

554
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: really want to go into that, but just to get

555
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: a player of that statue to come to your club,

556
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: the team was already good team.

557
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: I mean, team had already done the World Series a

558
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: couple of years before that.

559
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: Ye had Bertlander and play, He had a lot of

560
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: talented people. Miggi was supposed to be that final piece

561
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: a team didn't play well that very first year he

562
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: got there. I think Meggie was pressing a little bit,

563
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: trying to do a little bit too much. But once

564
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: he started to relax, you saw the best right handed

565
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: hitter in the sport. Unbelievable talent, just the way that

566
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: he would make his teammates better, how he would make

567
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: his coaches better. He would even make the opposing players better.

568
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: Because so many guys studied Miggi's swing over the years,

569
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: J d. Martinez comes to mind, saying that he studied

570
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: Miggi's swing and it really helped him turn his entire

571
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: career around. But what MIGGI had you couldn't teach.

572
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: He said.

573
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: He learned baseball from his mom, who was an Olympian

574
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: softball player in Venezuela. He talks about his uncle at

575
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: age seven, of teaching him how to hit the ball

576
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: the other way, where Miguel has gotten seventy percent of

577
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: its heads, even up the way or the opposite way.

578
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: He hit the ball to right field for a right

579
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: handed better than some left handers did. But the things

580
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: that he had really you just can't teach. You just

581
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: can't teach what Miggi had, as far as the persona,

582
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: the grace and just the skill. I mean that when

583
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: batting titles at sixty five inches and two hundred and

584
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: sixty five pounds, his extraordinary triple crown, the first one

585
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: in decades, MVPs all Star appearances, got smile, and just

586
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: the love affair with Miguel Cabrera just so special and

587
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: one of the things that's really special.

588
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: About for me with Miggi.

589
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: When he wanted to show out, he would hit home runs,

590
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: this is in batting practice, and everybody knew he would

591
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: do this because he did it more than once. He

592
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: would take a home run, he would hit one right

593
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: down the right field line. The next home run, next

594
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: pitch right center field, next pitch straightaway cent the home runs,

595
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: next pitch left center field, next picks left field.

596
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: He had that kind of talent that he could do

597
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: whatever he wanted to do.

598
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: And not only did they do in their bad practice,

599
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: he proved that he could do it in the game

600
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: on many many nights. Just a special player and it

601
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: was just an honor to watch him on a databay

602
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: basis with the front row seat, and that he's going

603
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame, there's no question, first ballot.

604
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: He is in year fifteen now with the Tigers, year

605
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: twenty in the major leagues after playing the first five

606
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: with the Marlins. You mentioned in there the connection that

607
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: he had about with the community with the fans over there,

608
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: which is something that I think Marlins fans are kind

609
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: of jealous about because with the Marlins, they wanted to

610
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: have him a lot longer, obviously, and they haven't had

611
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the experience of having a player who's just been that

612
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: consistent piece of a team for an extended period of time.

613
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: What is that relationship he had with the fans and

614
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: how they grew to adore him and celebrate him even

615
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: as he's reached the stage of his career he's not

616
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: an MVP anymore, but it seems like that love is

617
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: still the same.

618
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Well, he had a foundation there that he started along

619
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: with his wife, and it really provided a lot.

620
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: Of resources for the community.

621
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: He was always everywhere they asked him to go, and

622
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: of course him just being the face of the team.

623
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: Everywhere that he would go, he would treat people with

624
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: tremendous respect, and I think that's what people honor about

625
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: you with.

626
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: Not only are you a.

627
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: Great player, but you're a good person off the field,

628
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: and maybe became a really good person off the field.

629
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: And as far as the Martins are concerned, I mean,

630
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: you just know that at some point in time, at

631
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: least then you never you don't know how things are

632
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: going to go in the future. But sometimes it's hard

633
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: to retain a player like a Miguel Feberry if you

634
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: don't have those resources to pay him that kind of

635
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: money that he commands. He's a bona fide superstar. He

636
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: will go down. It's one of the best right handed

637
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: hitters in the game period. I mean, he's up there

638
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: with Willie Mays and those cats.

639
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: And if you had to predict it, what kind of

640
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: hits do you think it's going to be that it

641
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: is going to give him that milestone. I think I

642
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: already have an idea with what you mentioned about him

643
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: using the other fields, but I'm curious what do you

644
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: think would be the most fitting for him to reach

645
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: that milestone.

646
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: I think a double to right center field from Nigel

647
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: double to right center field, sand Up double touched the.

648
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: Left shoulder and as he cotched a bat over the right,

649
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: the one one grab off the right, three thousand former

650
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: goal cover.

651
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: For someone that has seen, like I said, the majority

652
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: of his hits how many years together with him eleven seasons,

653
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: that yeah, you saw the very very best of MEIGGI

654
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Speaker 1: And I think the last thing I wanted to touch

655
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Speaker 1: on is just the fact that he was so his durability.

656
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: To reach this kind of milestone, you not only have

657
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: to play twenty years, but you have to be an

658
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: everyday player for almost all of those twenty years. And

659
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: to do it at that size, there are a lot

660
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: of other bigger guys in baseball that you worry about

661
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: holding up when they reach that age of his career.

662
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: I think, to me, that's one of them. As much

663
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: as his pure hitting talent amazes me, it's the fact

664
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Speaker 1: that he's been able to stay on the field and

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: play that many games at that size that kind of

666
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: blows my mind.

667
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I told you a little earlier that

668
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: Mini's awfully gifted and some of the talent that he has.

669
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's no doubt that the Lord when he

670
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: stopped by his house, he gave him a little bit extra.

671
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 4: I mean, to do what he has done at that

672
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: level for so long and that size is just remarkable.

673
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: And he kept himself in pretty good shape. I mean,

674
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: it's not easy to stay in shape that many years,

675
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: but he has done that along. But I'm sure that

676
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: the training staff at Florida and also Detroit, which is

677
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Speaker 4: very good.

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Speaker 1: We're speaking with Rod Allen of Valley Sports, Florida. Here

679
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: a couple more things about the Detroit days, because I

680
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: look back on it and I'm pretty sure even though

681
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: the Marlins and Tigers they didn't play each other very often,

682
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: there was one time at the end of the twenty

683
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: thirteen season where the Henderson Alvarez no hitter in Miami,

684
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Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you were on that trip and

685
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: made that call, which I wanted to get your perspective

686
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: on that because that was one of the wildest endings

687
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: in Marlin's history. That's a game that we talked about

688
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot in the Marlins community. But as somebody that

689
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: has been around the game for so long at that point,

690
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: you've seen other no hitters, but what do you remember

691
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: from that particular game because of how unusual it ended

692
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: and for it to still be no hitter, it's something

693
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: that you probably haven't seen elsewhere right now.

694
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything like that, And I knew Alvarez

695
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: from I'm not sure if he was his first off

696
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: was with you guys, or if he had played somewhere

697
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 4: before he got to other Martins.

698
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Speaker 2: But I remember that game like it was yesterday.

699
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: That was the final weekend of the year the Tigers,

700
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: but were already in the playoffs and they were already

701
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 4: in postseason mode. Not to take anything away from Alvarez,

702
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: he pitched remarkable that day. But I'm not sure if

703
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 4: everybody on our squad played that day, If we were

704
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: really looking to win the game, if we were looking

705
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: to rest guys getting ready for the postseason. It turned

706
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: out that when we went into the postseason that year,

707
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: we didn't perform very well. So maybe we should have,

708
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: you know, maybe you know, put our best team out

709
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: there that weekend. But I think we got swept that

710
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: weekend down in Florida at the end of the year,

711
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: so we didn't go into the postseason the way that

712
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: we really wanted to.

713
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Speaker 2: But that was a bizarre game.

714
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Speaker 4: I think was zero zero in two, you know, very

715
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: late in the contest, but it was a game I

716
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: do remember.

717
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Speaker 1: That, yeah, for I'm sure most of the listeners remember.

718
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: But in case you don't, Henderson Alvarez obviously nationally gamed.

719
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: He has to bat for himself in the bottom of

720
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: the ninth ending was still no score. He was on

721
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: the on deck circle preparing to hit for himself. They

722
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going to happen if the

723
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: game remained tied and went to the tenth thenning, but

724
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately it was a wild pitch that ends up deciding

725
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: the game right there, and so he just wearing a

726
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: batting helmet. He's like celebrating pitching a no hitter crazy.

727
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: As we transitioned to the twenty twenty two Marlins, there

728
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: was one other guy that you had experienced covering in

729
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: Detroit way back in the day, somebody that they called

730
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: Minnie Miggie back then, obviously Old Garcia, who, yeah, in

731
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: a lot of ways if you look at him from

732
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: as you see the similarities between him and Miggy. He

733
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: came up with the Tigers, didn't spend a long with them,

734
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: but they traded him in the division to the White Sox,

735
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: so we got to watch him for several more years

736
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: head to head and have a couple of really great

737
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: years in that standpoint. So he signed with the Marlins,

738
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, before you signed with the Marlins. But now

739
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: getting to cover him again, what do you remember about

740
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: the start of his career and the kind of player

741
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: that he is even at this stage of his career.

742
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: Well, all you heard, you know, while he was in

743
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: the minor leagues was how you know, he looked a

744
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: lot like Miguel Cabrera and he idolized Miguel Cabrera. They

745
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: were kind of the same in stature, and you know,

746
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: whenever he finally showed up and he started coming to

747
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 4: spring training games.

748
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Speaker 2: Of course, he and Meggie were always around, and he

749
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: kind of married Meggie and everything that he did.

750
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: But it's tough for, you know, to give somebody that

751
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: tag of Minnie Miguel Cabrere. We just talked about micguil Corbret.

752
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 4: He's one of the best baseball players that I've ever

753
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: watched on this planet. So there aren't many that compared

754
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: to him, So that probably was unfair to Garcia in

755
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: those early days. But I saw a talent kid.

756
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: With a very strong arm.

757
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: He had some power that he hadn't realized yet, but

758
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: he has realized that power as a late last few

759
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 4: years in Milwaukee. But just a really good player, really

760
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: good worker, because he learned from Miguel. He learned how

761
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: to take body practice. He learned how to drive that

762
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: ball the other way. We're going to see obviously he'll

763
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: hit some home runs the right field, and there's no

764
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: doubt he learned that from Meggie. How to hit the

765
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: ball to right field. Anybody practice instead of just launching

766
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: home runs like so many guys doing the big leagues.

767
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: But I watched him mature as a man. He didn't

768
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: have any kids when I first met him. Now he's

769
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: a father, he's a husband, he's been sured, he's matured,

770
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: and he turned into a really nice, really nice centis

771
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: and I know he's very happy to be in Miami.

772
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: Also had Marcus Tims in Detroit. He was the hitting

773
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: coach now for the Tigers, and I watched Marcus play.

774
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: He was a DH on those really good teams when

775
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: Jim Leland was a skipper.

776
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: He was a favorite of Jim Leland.

777
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: And I don't know if many people know this about

778
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: Marcus Tiens, but he hit the very first pitch that

779
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: he saw in the big leagues for a home run

780
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: against Randy Johnson. So that's what Marcus Tims did in

781
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: the big league. So, I mean, there's just so many

782
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: guys that I know in baseball, and those are just

783
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 4: two of the guys. But you asked the question about Garcia.

784
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: It's been fun to watch him grow and I know

785
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: he's going to get better. It looks like he's pressing

786
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: a little bit to me right now, you know, trying

787
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: to prove you know, the contract and all that kind

788
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: of stuff. But he's a really good baseball player and

789
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: a really good citizen. He's going to be great for

790
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: the city of Miami in the state of Florida.

791
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, flipping that around to the players that have gone

792
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: off to a hot start. So we're recording this twelve

793
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: games into the year five and seven, a lot of

794
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: close games that they've played, even when they've lost. So,

795
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, overall, the performance has been at least better

796
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: than last year. It's been a step in the right direction.

797
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys that have kind of

798
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: surprised you a little bit in unexpected ways? You were

799
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: at spring training, you were able to as much as

800
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: you can, you know, understand who these guys are, But

801
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of them, especially on the pitching side, are

802
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: pretty young guys who don't even have a long track record,

803
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: So there's only so much that you can learn until

804
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: the real lights flip on and the real game start.

805
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Who have been some of the bright spots that have

806
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: stuck out to you?

807
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, as you said, I was on a

808
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: press course when I finally was told that I was

809
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: going to be fortunate enough to be one of the

810
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: broadcasters for the Marlins.

811
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Speaker 2: I got down the string training pretty much.

812
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: After that lockout lifted, and I had to learn the

813
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: entire organization. Only players, but all the front office people too,

814
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: and they've been wonderful to me. Everybody's welcomed me with

815
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: open arms. I feel like I couldn't be in a

816
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: better place. But as far as the players are concerned, obviously,

817
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: Sanchez and center fielder comes to mind. I had heard

818
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 4: he had tremendous power. I watched him a little bit

819
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: last year. He's gotten off to a terrific start. I

820
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: just love the way that he plays the game. I

821
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: love his calming influence. I love the fact that he

822
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: likes to read, he likes to study, so he likes

823
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: to calm his mind. So I don't think he's going

824
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 4: to have any prolonged slumps or any of those kinds

825
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: of things. Jazz Chisholm is a star in the making.

826
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: This guy will be an All Star and he real

827
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: Winter Gold glove. He has a chance to hit twenty

828
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: five and steal twenty five, and you could take it

829
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: even a step further. He can go thirty thirty. He

830
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: reminds me of a young heir Rick Davis.

831
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Speaker 2: When I saw young Eric Davis.

832
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Speaker 4: You know, with all that power, that real slim frame

833
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: and that ability to steal basis, I don't think he'll

834
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 4: skill as many bases as Eric did be because that's

835
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: something that they did back in those days.

836
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Speaker 2: But I just love Jazz, and I know that he.

837
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: Makes a few mistakes here and there, and he's flashing

838
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: and he's stylish. But I got no problem with that easier.

839
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just what the young kids like to

840
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: do these days. I mean, I like to sign up

841
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: Joey Wendel. Obviously you have to like so Layer. You

842
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: have to like or see in right field. Even though

843
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: they're not playing all that well right there, from an

844
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: offensive standpoint, they will turn the corner. I Gillard's got

845
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: some real nice leadership skills. You have to love the

846
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: story of Stallings behind the plate. I mean the career

847
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: minor leaguer basically who got to the big leagues because

848
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: Chris Archer wanted him as his everyday catcher, and he

849
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: turns himself into a gold Glover. So when the pitching side,

850
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: Pablo Lopez has been so impressive, he reminds me of

851
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: any about Sam Chitz. I said this on the air

852
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: the other day with that change up. But you guys

853
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: know Anybot he pitched for the Martins through a no hitter,

854
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 4: he struck out seventeen, one of the eri tied, so

855
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 4: he looks just like Pablo to me. On then that's

856
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: just me, and of course Sandy's special. The entire rotation,

857
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: it's special. I haven't gotten a chance to meet all

858
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: the bullpen guys. I'm in Atlanta as we speak, and

859
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do radio for the next six days, and

860
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: I'm going on the early bus today and my goal

861
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: is to learn and meet every reliever because I pretty

862
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: much have talked to a lot of the starters, talked

863
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: to all the position players. Now I get a chance

864
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: to meet all the relievers. I've watched a lot of them.

865
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 4: They got some power arms in the back of that bullpen,

866
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: and Bender and bass and some of those guys that

867
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 4: have just done a really good job in the early going.

868
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: So I just think that anything can happen. I know

869
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 4: a lot of people aren't poking the team to be really,

870
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: really good this year. But I've been on some teams

871
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: and be a part of some teams where you just

872
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: get on a roll, man, you just start winning some

873
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: games and the next thing you know, you get to

874
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: trade deadline. You're making You're making some acquisitions instead of

875
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: you know, trading people away and you can kind of

876
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 4: ride that into the postseason. I mean there will be

877
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: twelve teams in the postseason this year. So that's my

878
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 4: Donnie Manningwin also a really good friend of mine. We

879
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: played the it in Puerto Rico way back in nineteen

880
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: eighty three. Routinemates on the Conglish team coglist creoles I

881
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: think was the name of our team. So I go

882
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: way back and don you magically, and that makes it help.

883
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: That makes it easy too for a guy like myself

884
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: that you know so many people like him and the

885
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: willing dissipate in the bullpen coach, and you can get

886
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: the information that you need that you can give the

887
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 4: listeners a true assessment of what's going on beyond the field,

888
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 4: because I can tell you.

889
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: What's going on on the field, but it's.

890
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: Always nice to have somebody that will tell you some

891
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: other things and they trust you.

892
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course, in that big answer, you did touch

893
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: on the starting pitching and the great rotation that they have.

894
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: And I've been people that listen to me a lot.

895
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm a little I kind of pumped

896
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: the brakes a lot before getting too excited about certain things.

897
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: I love the depth of the rotation and how like

898
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: every single night they put a guy out there that

899
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I can trust to give them a decent outing. I

900
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: think the question is kind of the upside of these pitchers,

901
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Which of them do they reach at ultimate potential that

902
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: they have? And I thought you'd be like the great

903
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: person to ask about that because in Detroit you saw

904
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander from the very beginning go all the way

905
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: from a rookie to the MVP of the league. From

906
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Max Scherzer, who was really kind of an unproven guy

907
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: when the Tigers acquired him and egos to be a

908
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: perennial Si Young in future Hall of Fame sort of guy.

909
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: What is it that separates player from being you know,

910
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: pretty good starting pitcher, consistent one even then all star,

911
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: from being at the kind of level that Scherzer and

912
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: Verlander reached, Because that's ultimately going to be so important

913
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: for this Marlin team to have somebody at least at

914
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: the top of the rotation that is dominant, not just good,

915
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: but dominant.

916
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: Well supreme confidence first and foremost.

917
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: And when Berlin and showed up in two thousand and six,

918
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: he and jo Zamaya was another one of the rookies

919
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: that was on that Tigers team and O six that

920
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: went to the World Series, and those are the two

921
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: young rookies that were outstanding of Verlander. You could see

922
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: he would be very, very talented with the fastball about

923
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 4: to one hundred miles an hour. But I think with

924
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: separated Berlander is the fact that he always had some

925
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 4: offense around, and David Gotski had always built some really

926
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: good offensive teams. So I don't think Verlander had to

927
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: pitch in all that much stress earlier on in his career.

928
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: Of course, Sandy's fishing a lot of stress. He doesn't

929
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: get a lot of run support. But Sandy can win

930
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: an All Star, Sandy can make an All Star team.

931
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: There's no doubt Sandy can win a Sali Young. He

932
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 4: has that kind of stuff with the velo getting up

933
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: to one oh one in that unhitable change up on

934
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: the slider. If he puts it all together for twenty

935
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: five starts, there's no question he can win. Asai Young,

936
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: I told you about Tooblo on how fond I am

937
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 4: of him, where he goes about his business many nights.

938
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: Sanchez was funny for me to watch pitch than Verlander

939
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 4: and shars are just the way that he would carve

940
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 4: up the lineup.

941
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: You know what Shirts was going to do.

942
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: He came into his own in Detroit, number one pick

943
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: back in Arizona. They always thought he was going to

944
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: break down because of his mechanics and you know, the

945
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: flailing elbows and different things like that.

946
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: But all he has done is turned.

947
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 4: Himself into a perennial Cy Young Award winner, a World

948
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: Series champion, and he's going to be a cy Young

949
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he's going to be in the Hall of Famers. Well,

950
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: so we're talking about two Hall of Famers there, and

951
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: when you start looking at this stuff, you look at

952
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: mozart Or.

953
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Obviously he's very.

954
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: Young, but a lot of people compare him to a

955
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: young Johann and Santana with that change up, with the

956
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 4: fastball up in the nineties. You never know where these

957
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: guys can get to, especially if they're able to reel

958
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 4: off twenty twenty five stars Rogers.

959
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: Who's pitching to night.

960
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 4: There ain't many left handers walking around starting throwing ninety

961
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: eight miles an hour with good change ups and breaking.

962
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: Paul's still a work in progress, so you never know

963
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: how it's going to turn out for these guys, I

964
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: think what's going to.

965
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: Help all of them is the offense.

966
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: Once the offense starts to roll a little bit, takes

967
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: a little bit stress off of Sandy. Sandy could have

968
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: two wins by now with any kind of offense whatsoever.

969
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: And you mentioned those two guys, very Land and surs

970
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: of that. David Price was also there in Detroit, and

971
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 4: when I started my broadcast career, I had a chance

972
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 4: to watch Randy Johnson win fourth straight. Cy Youngs and

973
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: Kurt Shillings. Been so fortunate to watch some really good

974
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: pitching in my broadcast career.

975
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: You did bring up the offense as we've finished a

976
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: couple questions here about how for the most part this

977
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: year it's been kind of up and down, with a

978
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: couple of games that have been tough. And we mentioned

979
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: already Garcia getting off to a slow start individually. We're

980
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: only twelve games into the season. As people listen to this,

981
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: it's only going to be fifteen games in less than

982
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: ten percent. What is that part of the season that

983
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: you get to as someone that's been through all these

984
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: years that when you start really knowing what a team is,

985
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: when do they start having to like think more seriously

986
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: about making those adjustments in order to ultimately get this

987
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: team to the playoffs, because that's a pretty big goal

988
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: that they have for themselves, and they need to make

989
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: a decision whether eventually whether it's the current guys they

990
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: have or whether they need some help from the outside.

991
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think you know you have to see.

992
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you mentioned the fact that more than

993
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: fifteen games then, but there's some nice additions. I mean,

994
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 4: you talked about Winde, who can play anywhere. He's a

995
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: really good baseball player and selfish guy. You need those

996
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: guys in your clubhouse, and he could really help you

997
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 4: win some baseball games with its intangibles on the field,

998
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: You've watched Stallings basically earned the trust of the entire

999
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: pitching staff and just over a month with the way

1000
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: that he prepares and the way that he calls games.

1001
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: We've talked about Garcia, We've talked about so Lair. They're

1002
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: not off the.

1003
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 4: Great starts yet, but while they're still not necessarily getting

1004
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: it going, you got guys like Jazz Chisholm and Sam

1005
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: Chins that are performing at a very high level right now,

1006
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: very elite level, and helping the team win some games.

1007
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 4: There's no doubt the offense is going to be better.

1008
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind that they're going to

1009
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: be a much better team offensively. So that's his the key,

1010
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: and I love Jazz chising at the top. I was

1011
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: waiting to see how long it would take. I know

1012
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: they kept saying the right things about him being in

1013
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: that nine hole would be better, and so Layer just

1014
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: looked like he was kind of squeezing the sawt of

1015
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: dust out of the boat in that leadoff spot. And

1016
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 4: I like the way the offense runs there. You got

1017
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: left at the top. It's got some speed if he

1018
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: gets on me steal, and he can also get you

1019
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: on the board with a home run early. So I

1020
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: think the lineup that they had last night is a

1021
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: little bit better for me. But I don't know how

1022
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 4: they're going to do it. I don't think Jazz lead

1023
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: off every dady, but I definitely like him at the

1024
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: top of the line. But I think it's a better

1025
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 4: team with him at the top. Of my personal opinion.

1026
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: You mentioned just a little bit ago about how you're

1027
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: on this road trip calling the games on the radio,

1028
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: right right, So I'm curious about that. Obviously, most of

1029
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: your broadcasting for has been on TV. You've done excellent

1030
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: at that. How is it different, How's it more challenging?

1031
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: How is it how have you been preparing for that

1032
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: compared to what you would normally do for TV broadcasts.

1033
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's like riding a bike for me,

1034
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, I don't mean to be

1035
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: popular about it by any stretch of the imaginations. To

1036
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 4: be a good broadcaster, you have to put in a

1037
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: tremendous amount of work. You have to talk to people,

1038
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: you have to study. I mean I've been up studying

1039
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: all day and watching MLB Network. I mean I've been

1040
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 4: studying the Braves websites. I studied the Marlins website. So

1041
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: I can't have as much knowledge as I can when

1042
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: I go into that broadcast. Within the game just kind

1043
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: of takes over.

1044
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: Then.

1045
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: Deefner, I've known him for years and listen to him

1046
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: a lot. He makes all the analysts sound very, very good.

1047
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 4: He asked all the right questions. He brings you into

1048
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: the broadcast. He doesn't force you as an analyst to

1049
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 4: find your own space that he asked a lot of questions.

1050
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: Of course, on television, the pictures they are visually for

1051
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 4: you to see, so you don't have to talk a

1052
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: whole lot about what they're seeing, but maybe you can

1053
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: give an antidote or something about what they might not see,

1054
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: maybe first guess of something that's going to happen in

1055
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 4: a baseball game. From on television standpoint radio, you're pretty

1056
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: much get in, you get out to play by play

1057
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: guy does the.

1058
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: Majority of the talking.

1059
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: Every now and then there's an extended period of time

1060
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 4: for the analyst to get in, but for the most part,

1061
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 4: you're just kind of getting in and getting out, just

1062
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: kind of adding to what he does as far as

1063
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 4: the play by plays concerned.

1064
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to talk over pitches.

1065
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure I'll do that a couple of times tonight

1066
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 4: because I'm a little antsy to.

1067
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: Get back in the radio boot. But that's where I.

1068
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: Got my start, and I did a few radio games

1069
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: last year for the Arizona Diamondbacks, so it's not foreign

1070
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 4: to me.

1071
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: It's baseball, and I love talking baseball, and we.

1072
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: Have a whole lot of baseball ahead. So one hundred

1073
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: and fifty games, and how many of those games do

1074
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: you think you're going to be on the call for

1075
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: what's the schedule looking like for you versus I don't.

1076
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: Know, maybe close to one hundred I think, you know.

1077
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: I mean because I have a combination of some television

1078
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 4: broadcasts that I'll do, and I'm doing pre and post

1079
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: game shows, and I'm doing some radio as well, So

1080
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day it might

1081
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: end up being around one hundred. And you just never know.

1082
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: Sometimes guys need based off here and there, and maybe

1083
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: I do well enough that they might add me in

1084
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 4: here or there.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to get to listen to you for better

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Speaker 1: or worse, just having baseball back, but pretty high expectations

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Speaker 1: for this team, so hopefully more wins and losses that

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Speaker 1: you're on the call for. This has been Rod Allen

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Speaker 1: Valley Sports, Florida and from Marlins Radio, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to be listening to you on this road trip, always

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Speaker 1: enjoying your studio work that you've done so far. This

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Speaker 1: has been Eli Susman for the official show, and this

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Speaker 1: has just been such a pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Rod.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: And as I said before, I expect this team to

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Speaker 4: do some special things because we talked about some special players,

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Speaker 4: and trust me, there are a lot of managers in

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Speaker 4: baseball and that are talking about how talented this group is.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully it all comes together for him.

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Speaker 4: We can have a really fun summer talking about some

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Speaker 4: good baseball and look forward to seeing you again, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my pleasure. You can follow Roddie's great on social media,

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Speaker 1: pulled on Instagram and on Twitter, so be sure to

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Speaker 1: follow him over there, keep up with him, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure by the time everybody's listening to this celebrating Miggie

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Speaker 1: reaching three thousand career hits, a career that started in

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Speaker 1: Florida almost twenty years ago and finally reaching this great milestone.

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Speaker 1: So next up after that is this Cooper stand right

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Speaker 1: after he decets her.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no doubt about that