WEBVTT - #262 Maggie Freleng with Brian Parnell

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you, Jason fire Away.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes when I talk to people after decades

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<v Speaker 2>in prison, twenty thirty going on forty something years, how

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<v Speaker 2>many people have you experienced that do have such a

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<v Speaker 2>strong support system, like they still have their parents, brothers, sisters,

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<v Speaker 2>connected with their children that they might have had before prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know the percentage, but I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>you this, For the people that do, it's a literal lifeline.

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<v Speaker 3>Just knowing that there's people out there that love you,

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<v Speaker 3>that care about you, that are concerned for your well being.

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<v Speaker 3>It can be literally the thing that saves people, and

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<v Speaker 3>it could be the thing that helps to free them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a gaping hole. It's as if his family

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<v Speaker 4>has been constrated along with him. In other words, we're

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<v Speaker 4>doing the time with him.

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<v Speaker 1>From love for good is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling

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<v Speaker 1>today Brian Parnell. On August twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Konstantinos Bulius, also known as Gus, finished closing up his

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<v Speaker 1>two pizza shops in the suburbs of Philadelphia. He went

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<v Speaker 1>home to his wife, Daphne and two children. Sometime later

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<v Speaker 1>that night, Daphne woke up to a loud bang. She

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<v Speaker 1>found Gus lying on the floor, shot in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Daphne and her children tried to help and called nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one. Gus was taken to the hospital, but by

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<v Speaker 1>the time he arrived it was too late. Gus Boulius

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<v Speaker 1>was gone. Responding officers took note of evidence at the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>collecting hair samples and several partial fingerprints, but after searching

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<v Speaker 1>the house, detectives decided, even with nothing actually taken from

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<v Speaker 1>the home, that it was robbery gone wrong. Detective Kenneth

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<v Speaker 1>Beam ran the prince through databases in Pennsylvania and surrounding states,

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<v Speaker 1>but no match turned up. Eventually, the case went cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Four years later, Detective Beam took the prince to the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI to run them through their national fingerprint system, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly he had a suspect, twenty nine year old Brian Parnell.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite having multiple alibi witnesses, Brian was arrested for murder

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<v Speaker 1>on September eighteenth, two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 5>That was a shock. I was really in shock, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my.

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<v Speaker 6>God, you know, this is like, oh man, I still

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<v Speaker 6>feel the emotions. I mean, talking about it right now

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<v Speaker 6>is making me tear of because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 6>you've ever been accused of something that you know you

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<v Speaker 6>didn't do, no affiliation with. And I've been living this

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<v Speaker 6>nightmare for twenty going into my twenty four first year.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Parnell was born in Philadelphia on Valentine's Day, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, to Corinne and DeAndre Parnell.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian Parnell is a very fun, loving kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a family very family orientated above all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how Brian describes himself. He grew up in a large,

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<v Speaker 1>loving family. His father was a mailman and his mother

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<v Speaker 1>was a federal law enforcement officer. His parents divorced when

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<v Speaker 1>he was little, but they worked hard to maintain family harmony.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was blessed with very very beautiful parents, not

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<v Speaker 5>just you know, my biological parents, but also my stepparents.

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<v Speaker 5>Even though my dad and my mom went through whatever

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<v Speaker 5>they went through, they never reflected that on us. They

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<v Speaker 5>made sure we were in, you know, a part of

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<v Speaker 5>each other's lives. Because my two younger sisters they have

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<v Speaker 5>a different mother than I do. They made sure we

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<v Speaker 5>all knew who we are. You know each other and

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<v Speaker 5>interact with each other. So when I say that we

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<v Speaker 5>were rooted in love. I'm very rooted in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's sister Tamra remembers this time fondly.

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<v Speaker 4>Bryan was always doing something. He had like dogs growing up, reptiles, frogs, fish.

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<v Speaker 4>He was your normal child. But in being your normal child,

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<v Speaker 4>he was very caring and concerned. He was compassionate. He

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<v Speaker 4>had like a imagination that was just out of this world.

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<v Speaker 4>My mother brought him this red outfit and he would

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<v Speaker 4>put that outfit on and he would do the Michael

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<v Speaker 4>Jackson's Billy Jean and then he would do the moon walk,

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<v Speaker 4>or he had that dance and that song down tag.

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<v Speaker 4>You would think he was Michael Jackson. I mean he

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<v Speaker 4>just was or is a loving, funny, precocious, curious kid

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<v Speaker 4>and an adult that to this wonderful man.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's first child, Brian Junior, was born when Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years old.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to take him out to the park when

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<v Speaker 5>we's River Drive and we would go to this old

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<v Speaker 5>big shop and buy the steel bread and I would

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<v Speaker 5>take him out there and we would see yeese and

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<v Speaker 5>that was like one of the most beautifulest things, just

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<v Speaker 5>to see his mind expand at an early age. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>being around him, it changed me as a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's daughter, Brianna, also brought some surprising changes to his life.

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<v Speaker 4>He would do his daughter's hair and I never knew

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<v Speaker 4>a man to do a little girl's hair, And he

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<v Speaker 4>would fix her hair and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was neat tamrasas. Brian was a great dad, gannaling

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<v Speaker 1>the love and support his family gave to him onto

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<v Speaker 1>his children.

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<v Speaker 4>My brother was in their life every day until this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Brian Junior, Brianna and his son Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>were born, Brian was ready to have a career to

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<v Speaker 1>support his family. He had a dream of opening an

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<v Speaker 1>automotive shop because he'd always loved cars. He even had

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<v Speaker 1>his own hot rod, so he enrolled at Lincoln Technical

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<v Speaker 1>Institute to pursue a career in automotive mechanics. Things for

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<v Speaker 1>the young dad and future mechanics were going great, that

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<v Speaker 1>is until September eighteenth, two thousand and one. Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>at school that morning.

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<v Speaker 5>That morning was one of the most hands down craziest

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<v Speaker 5>mornings of my life. We was setting up in the lab,

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<v Speaker 5>we was inside the shop, and we was getting ourselves

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<v Speaker 5>together for that day and principal comes to the door.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, far now, I want to see you in

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<v Speaker 5>my office real quick. And when I went in his office,

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<v Speaker 5>there was two guys in here, and once I came in,

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<v Speaker 5>they shut the door, and this like four or five

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<v Speaker 5>cops started walking up on the door outside the door

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<v Speaker 5>and they started telling me, hey, mister Parnell, we got

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<v Speaker 5>a matter with you involving a homicide. And I said, what,

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<v Speaker 5>because I've never been in that type of life, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>killing anybody, carrying guns or anything like that. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>get down like that. But when they turned around and

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<v Speaker 5>said to me, yeah, we have your DNA and we

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<v Speaker 5>got your fingerprints at a prime. See you choked this

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<v Speaker 5>guy from Westchester, I said, wait a minute, you got

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<v Speaker 5>the wrong guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian denied any knowledge of the crime or any connection

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<v Speaker 1>to Gus. Brian explained how he had only been to

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<v Speaker 1>the town Gus lived in twice in his life. He

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<v Speaker 1>was cooperative with police.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, whatever you want to do. I want to

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<v Speaker 5>give my hair and my samples up for DNA testing.

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<v Speaker 5>I offered all of that from the gate that approved

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<v Speaker 5>my innocence. I'm gonna give it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite his efforts to prove his innocence. Brian was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and charged with the murder of Gus Boulius and to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why we have to go back four years to

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the murder. Almost exactly four years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Gus Bullius arrived home after closing his pizza shop at

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<v Speaker 1>around two forty am. Gus's wife woke up to the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of voices in the hallway, a loud bang, the

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<v Speaker 1>thought of someone falling, footsteps running out the house, and

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<v Speaker 1>the screen door slamming shut. She ran out of her room,

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<v Speaker 1>where she found Gus lying on the floor. She and

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<v Speaker 1>their two children tried to help him, but it was futile.

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<v Speaker 1>Gus died on the way to the hospital. Detectives Gregory

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<v Speaker 1>Stone and Kenneth Beam were assigned to the case. After

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<v Speaker 1>inspecting the crime scene, they quickly concluded that this was

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<v Speaker 1>not a random attack but quote a robbery gone wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>although no money or property was taken from home. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, twenty miles away from the Bullius home,

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<v Speaker 1>about forty five minutes away by car, Brian was in

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<v Speaker 1>West Philadelphia at his girlfriend Lakeisha's house. With Lakeisha, her sister, Jovita,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brian's cousin Maurice. According to Maurice, they were all

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<v Speaker 1>spending the night.

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<v Speaker 5>If nobody else on this planet knows, I know that

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<v Speaker 5>he was with me that entire night until the next morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Brian had an alibi witness. Brian was with his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 7>at the time, the mother of his child.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mark Howard.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a professor of Government in Law at Georgetown. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>also the director of the Prisons and Justice Initiative, and

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<v Speaker 8>I co teach a class informally called Making an x

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<v Speaker 8>Honery with my childhood friend Marty Tankliffe, who was himself

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<v Speaker 8>an x honore of course, and we have our students

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<v Speaker 8>reinvestigate possible wrongful conviction cases and if they feel strongly

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<v Speaker 8>about it, to advocate for the person's inno sense and exoneration.

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<v Speaker 1>The Making an Exonery program created a partnership with Discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>who carefully reviewed Brian's case and concluded that Brian Parnell

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<v Speaker 1>did not kill Gus Bullius.

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<v Speaker 7>Brian did not know the victim. Brian did not know

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<v Speaker 7>that part of town. He'd only been there a couple

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<v Speaker 7>times in his entire life. It was not an area

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<v Speaker 7>that he frequented. He had zero connection to the victim.

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<v Speaker 7>He'd never been to the pizza shops. Brian had zero

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<v Speaker 7>connection to any of that, so then.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did the police home in on Brian. At the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene, Detective Stone and Beam collected DNA, a sliced

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<v Speaker 1>window screen in the dining room, hair samples, and several

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<v Speaker 1>partial fingerprints from the window sill, ledge, and screen, and

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<v Speaker 1>those fingerprints are what would later lead the police to

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Parnell. This episode is underwritten by AIG, a leading

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<v Speaker 1>services and other support to underrepresented communities and individuals. After

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<v Speaker 1>police cleared the murder scene, Detective Beam took the partial

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints they had recovered to the Pennsylvania State Police Lab

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<v Speaker 1>to run them through the Pennsylvania State Wide APIs, the

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<v Speaker 1>Automated fingerprint identification system. He also compared them to prints

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<v Speaker 1>from surrounding states New Jersey, Delaware, and DC. Each state

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<v Speaker 1>has to be queried individually. The night of the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>Beam got a hit on one person, but he determined,

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<v Speaker 1>after visually reviewing the prince that they did not match,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he immediately eliminated this person as a suspect,

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<v Speaker 1>and that person was never questioned, investigated, or arrested. The

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<v Speaker 1>lead was completely ignored. Now it's time to take a

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<v Speaker 1>step aside and talk about fingerprints because they're not a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect science.

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<v Speaker 7>It's an approximation. It's humans making judgments based on similarities

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<v Speaker 7>to their naked eye. So keep that in mind. This

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<v Speaker 7>is not science, This is really more art.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingerprints have to be compared manually by experts. Detective Beam

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<v Speaker 1>was actually considered the best fingerprint guy in Chester County

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<v Speaker 1>after just a few FBI training courses in latent print testing.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have an academic or doctorate degree in forensics,

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<v Speaker 1>and Beam was the sole person left to determine who

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<v Speaker 1>these prints belonged to.

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<v Speaker 7>And again, if prints were partial fingerprints, okay, so they

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<v Speaker 7>weren't even full fingerprints, they're not good material to make

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<v Speaker 7>a strong match.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you do have a full print fingerprinting has

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<v Speaker 1>been more or less debunked as junk science in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of justice, similar to teeth impressions and fiber comparisons.

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<v Speaker 9>And fingerprints have been accepted as evidence in courts for

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<v Speaker 9>over one hundred years, and people assume that it's reliable.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mary Moriarty, chief public defender in Hennepin County, Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>She's talking to Wrongful Conviction junk Science host Josh Dubin.

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<v Speaker 9>You are first looking at a fragment of the print,

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<v Speaker 9>and it is totally within the subjectivity, the subjective discretion

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<v Speaker 9>of a fingerprint analysis or examiner to decide whether there

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<v Speaker 9>is enough information on that print to even go ahead

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<v Speaker 9>and compare it. So just think about that. It is

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<v Speaker 9>completely subjective.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pennsylvania State Police search for the person who matched

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<v Speaker 1>the partial prints for over a year. They then concluded

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<v Speaker 1>the person whose prince they matched was not in their system,

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<v Speaker 1>and they registered the prince to the Unsolved Latent print database.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing. Brian's Prince had been in their

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<v Speaker 1>system at the time of the murder. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in the past on an unrelated minor charge. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>when they searched for matching prints. Brian's did not come

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<v Speaker 1>up as a candidate or match, But despite that, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested for the murder.

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<v Speaker 7>It came completely out of nowhere because it was four

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<v Speaker 7>years after the crime had taken place.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Beam was determined to close the case. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Beam still had the Gus Boulias murder on his mind.

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<v Speaker 7>At some point, four years after the crime, at a

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<v Speaker 7>conference in Miami with the FBI, the detective brings these

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<v Speaker 7>prints and then asks the FBI to look at them

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<v Speaker 7>in a database and it comes up potentially being similar

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<v Speaker 7>to twenty four people. One of those people is Brian Parnell.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's Prince eventually popped up four years later as a

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<v Speaker 1>potential match among dozens of others when the FBI ran

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<v Speaker 1>them through their National Integrated Automated Identification System i APHIS database.

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<v Speaker 7>But we're talking about a very weak, partial fingerprint that

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<v Speaker 7>one person who was hell bent on solving this crime,

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<v Speaker 7>who had a tremendous amount of pressure on him to

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<v Speaker 7>find somebody, decided this is the guy, and Detective Being

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<v Speaker 7>just fixates on Brian Parnell from that point forward, doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>even look at the other twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite testing the hair and DNA found at the scene

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<v Speaker 1>of the crime, neither of which showed up as a

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<v Speaker 1>match for Brian, he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think when he found Brian, it seemed convenient,

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<v Speaker 7>even though obviously Brian had no motive, didn't know the victim,

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<v Speaker 7>didn't really go in that area, but he was close enough.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the fact that Brian's African American likely played

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<v Speaker 7>a role. The fact that Brian had a previous criminal record,

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<v Speaker 7>although very minor one. I want to emphasize, no violent crimes,

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<v Speaker 7>nothing whatsoever. Just a couple minor offenses, and most of

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<v Speaker 7>them have been dismissed. But I think that was convenient

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<v Speaker 7>for the detective to say, you know what, let's just

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<v Speaker 7>close the case. Let's get this guy. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 7>declare it a match. He's going to get convicted and

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<v Speaker 7>be done with it.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor at trial was first Assistant District Attorney Patrick Carmody.

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<v Speaker 1>At trial, the fact that the DNA and hair samples

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<v Speaker 1>did not match Brian was a hurdle for him.

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<v Speaker 7>So they suddenly developed with this very common as you

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<v Speaker 7>know in wrongful conviction cases. Oh well, then there must

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<v Speaker 7>have been a second perpetrator me.

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<v Speaker 1>Although there was no effort to ever find the second perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution had no murder weapon, no witnesses, no motive,

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<v Speaker 1>and no connection between Brian and Gus Boulius. Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>also forty minutes away. The partial fingerprint was the only

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<v Speaker 1>evidence used against Brian. In fact, during police interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>Gus's friends, family, and colleagues, they gave the names of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple people who actually could have committed the crime.

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<v Speaker 7>The victim's wife thought that the person knew him and

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<v Speaker 7>came through the front door. There were a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>people with motive, with opportunity, people who had talked about

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<v Speaker 7>killing the victim, people who had grudges against the victim,

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<v Speaker 7>people who thought the victims stolen money from them.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, according to police reports and interviews, on the

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<v Speaker 1>day before his murder, Gus told his business partner that

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<v Speaker 1>he had become aware that a couple of his employees

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<v Speaker 1>were discussing breaking into his home to rob him. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the murder, there was nearly fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in cash hidden in the rafters of Gus's home

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<v Speaker 1>office in his basement, and his colleagues knew about that money.

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<v Speaker 7>And the lead detective, Kenneth Beam, for some reason, was

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<v Speaker 7>fixated on two partial fingerprints on the screen of a

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<v Speaker 7>window coming into the house and decided that only the

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<v Speaker 7>person who matched those fingerprints would have committed the crime,

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<v Speaker 7>and therefore he rejected all these people who were obvious

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<v Speaker 7>suspects and didn't investigate them because he decided their fingerprints

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<v Speaker 7>didn't match.

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<v Speaker 1>And Prosecutor Carmody ran with this. He was determined to

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<v Speaker 1>get a conviction after all this time, which allegedly included

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<v Speaker 1>bribing Brian's alibi witnesses. Here's Brian's ex girl friend, Lakeisha,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people he was with that night, talking

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<v Speaker 1>to someone from Brian's team.

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<v Speaker 10>The DA or whoever he was was, asked me all

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<v Speaker 10>the questions and the police officers were bullying me. Basically,

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<v Speaker 10>they told me that they would offer me their eight

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<v Speaker 10>thousand dollars to say that Brian did it a house

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<v Speaker 10>and witness protection and then I declined, and then they

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<v Speaker 10>basically told me if I didn't cooperate and do what

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<v Speaker 10>they wanted to do, they would take away my children.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might be wondering what about Brian's defense and

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<v Speaker 1>alibi Brian's parents were lucky enough to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>hire private attorneys. His defense team were lawyers Ronald Joseph Tarik,

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<v Speaker 1>kareem Elscha Boz and Gerald Aston, and they came highly

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<v Speaker 1>recommended to Brian by another incarcerated person. But quickly Brian

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<v Speaker 1>realized they were not going to help him to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent that he needed.

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, I want you to talk to my family,

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<v Speaker 5>my entire family. And they didn't do none of that.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, I called him, nobody answered the phone. Said

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<v Speaker 5>that's not true, because they call you and they tried

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<v Speaker 5>to sell Oh, I didn't get no calls from your family.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>They told Brian they were dropping his alibi defense and

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<v Speaker 1>that meant both alibis, because Brian also had a physical

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<v Speaker 1>inability to commit this murder the way the police and

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution said it went down. Police insisted the killer came

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<v Speaker 1>through the window, but Brian he was on crutches at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the murder.

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<v Speaker 7>At least a week before the incident and after the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Mark again, and.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no way he would have been able to climb

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<v Speaker 7>through the window when he was on crutches and couldn't

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<v Speaker 7>walk I mean, it just defies credulity.

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<v Speaker 1>But his defense did not bring up his injury or

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<v Speaker 1>call his alibi witnesses. They did not question the validity

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<v Speaker 1>of the fingerprints or call their own experts. And alternate

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<v Speaker 1>suspects were also not presented. So I had to ask Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that feel?

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<v Speaker 5>It hurts, And to be real with you, I said

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<v Speaker 5>to myself, they're railroad. This is a railroad job, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's a sloppy rail road job. It's blatant. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>it's emotional. I'm sorry if my voice is breaking up,

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<v Speaker 5>but it hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>In First District Attorney Carmody's closing statement, he said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank mister Parnell for not wearing gloves

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<v Speaker 1>that day. He gave us the evidence. The defense can't

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<v Speaker 1>explain away the fingerprints, bottom line, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>convict them, and it did.

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<v Speaker 7>The fingerprints are what led to Brian being convicted. A

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<v Speaker 7>very weak partial fingerprint. So imagine a jury of well

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<v Speaker 7>intentioned people who are believing law enforcement, believing the evidence

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<v Speaker 7>coming forward in trial hearing. It's a one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 7>match that is completely fictitious. It's just outrageous. And the

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<v Speaker 7>trial was an absolute farce. We're talking a murder trial

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<v Speaker 7>with a person getting a life sentence, and it took

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<v Speaker 7>place in under two days, and that includes the full

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<v Speaker 7>trial and the jury deliberations.

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<v Speaker 1>After only two hours of deliberation, Brian was convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>second degree murder and burglary on July fifteenth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, it was devastation to the entire family.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Brian's sister Tamera again.

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<v Speaker 4>It says if his family has been incarcerated along with him,

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<v Speaker 4>in other words, we didn't do to crime, but we're

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<v Speaker 4>doing their time with him. It's like a gaping hole.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the person still exists, but you can't have

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<v Speaker 4>regular contact or interaction with them that you normally would

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<v Speaker 4>have on a day to day basis. It's horrible because

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<v Speaker 4>you have to try to function as a family unit

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<v Speaker 4>as if they're there, but they're not there. And especially

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<v Speaker 4>when you know they've not done something, or they've been

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<v Speaker 4>incarcerated for something they did not do, that even hurts

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<v Speaker 4>even more.

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<v Speaker 1>And she says Brian's incarceration deeply affected his children, who

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<v Speaker 1>were so young at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>They had a hard time grasping in the beginning that

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<v Speaker 4>he was away in jail with bars and guards, in

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<v Speaker 4>a place an institution where we don't have any control

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<v Speaker 4>over him coming out. Because they didn't understand. They wanted

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<v Speaker 4>him to come with them when we would go visit

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<v Speaker 4>at the prison. They wanted him to play with him.

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<v Speaker 4>Parents can't play with their children in the prison system,

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<v Speaker 4>or they have designated area for the playroom for children,

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<v Speaker 4>but the incarcerated people can't go in that room, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard for a five year old or an eight

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<v Speaker 4>year old to understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also hard for their mother to understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom in the beginning, she engulfed herself with this case,

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<v Speaker 4>Like her dining room table used to stay full of

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<v Speaker 4>his files and Affidavid's, the whole everything. She had crime

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<v Speaker 4>scene pictures, everything, and she really studied the case a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more than any family member. Yeah, it's like, how

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<v Speaker 4>do you help parents wrap their mind or adjust to

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that their child has been incarcerated wrongfully, let alone,

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<v Speaker 4>but for twenty one years you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also personally hurt Brian's mom because she was

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and she taught her kids to cooperate and

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<v Speaker 1>respect the law.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's where it becomes a double betrayal for my

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<v Speaker 4>mom because she's like my children. I raised him. I

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<v Speaker 4>raised them, and I raised him to be truthful and

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<v Speaker 4>honest and to cooperate with law enforcement. How do you

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<v Speaker 4>take incarcerator or make someone guilty of some and fix

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<v Speaker 4>things to make it like it was they did the crime. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that hurts. It's a dagger.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually looked at law enforcement officers through the eye

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<v Speaker 5>of my mother, and when I say I used to

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<v Speaker 5>have that belief that certain gods would do above and beyond.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't get me wrong, but there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>good ones out there because of my mother, and that

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<v Speaker 5>right there is where I try to keep it. I

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<v Speaker 5>try to keep it still in that realm, because I

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<v Speaker 5>believe it or not, there are a lot of police

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<v Speaker 5>officers that really mean and do good. You have a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>While in prison, Brian has enjoyed studying law and assisting

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<v Speaker 1>others who are incarcerated with legal work. He's even helped

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<v Speaker 1>some corrections officers with the law when they were helping

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<v Speaker 1>their family members. Brian says when he gets out, he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to advocate for the wrongfully accused, help change the

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<v Speaker 1>laws that results in mass incarceration. He plans to call

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<v Speaker 1>his organization home Front.

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<v Speaker 5>Me and my son came up with My oldest son

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<v Speaker 5>came up with the concept of calling it the home

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<v Speaker 5>front to help family members in my situation. Geared towards parents, siblings,

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<v Speaker 5>and children, more so, to teach them how to advocate

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<v Speaker 5>for their family members that's incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 1>But at fifty years old. Above all, Brian works every

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<v Speaker 1>day to prove his innocence so he can get out

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<v Speaker 1>and be with his growing family.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a whole bunch of beautiful nieces and nephews,

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<v Speaker 5>and I even have now two granddaughters and I have

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<v Speaker 5>one on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, how old your granddaughters?

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<v Speaker 5>The oldest is five and the youngest is two.

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<v Speaker 1>After being incarcerated for so long, Brian says, what he's

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<v Speaker 1>gone through is a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't wish this on nobody. It's a nightmare to

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<v Speaker 5>be accused of killing a man. I walk through these

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<v Speaker 5>walls at this institution day in and day out with

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<v Speaker 5>the conscience clear because I know I never killed nobody

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<v Speaker 5>a day in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian has filed multiple appeals and they've all been denied.

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<v Speaker 1>As of two thousand and five, one of Brian's attorneys,

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Joseph, was placed on administrative suspension and has not

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<v Speaker 1>practiced law in Pennsylvania since. Brian is also represented by

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<v Speaker 1>the Pennsylvania Innocence Project, which is seeking additional testing of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>This could result in a DNA profile that could then

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<v Speaker 1>be uploaded to the national database, and that could be

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<v Speaker 1>the very thing that finds who actually kills Gus Bulius.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information on the case, go to Justice for

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Parnell dot com and follow at Justice for Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Parnell on Twitter. Next week on Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling,

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<v Speaker 1>Davonna Enman, and Life after Exoneration, It's a.

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<v Speaker 11>Lot more to it than just being free, because the

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<v Speaker 11>prison part it was hard, but it's not harder than

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<v Speaker 11>being thrown back into a big old ocean and you

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<v Speaker 11>don't know what's in it or what's there no more.

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