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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contains spoilers for the finale of Miss Marvel,

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Speaker 2: for the finale of Boys season three, and for all

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Speaker 2: of The Stranger Things season four, So be warned. If

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Speaker 2: you haven't watched any of that stuff, please watch it

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Sepsi, and welcome ext to a

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Speaker 2: Vision the Crooked podcast where.

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Speaker 1: We dive all the way down to the.

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Speaker 2: Upside down, crawling up the ladder and then falling down

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Speaker 2: as gravity reverses it to your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 2: of pop culture. Today's episode, we're gonna such Stranger Things

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Speaker 2: and the previously on we're gonna go to the airlock

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Speaker 2: where we're gonna talk about Boys, the Bowl Please season three,

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Speaker 2: take a victory lap. Who am I going to take

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Speaker 2: a victory lap with? I'm going to take a victory

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Speaker 2: lap right now with the Comics Encyclopedia, the number one

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Speaker 2: comics talker. She's writing, she's writing for outlets, she's writing

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Speaker 2: her own comics. She's a creator, a producer, and an

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Speaker 2: all around genius of nerd stuff. Please welcome to the stage,

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Speaker 2: Rosie Night.

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Speaker 3: Hello. Wow to be introduced like that by the Jason conception, imagine.

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Speaker 1: Imagine who could have dream? Rosie? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm happy to be a a wild day

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Speaker 3: off the boys and we are the things.

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Speaker 1: We get into that we write.

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Speaker 3: the Magni. I was right, and now we will get

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Speaker 1: But first let's get into Stranger Things.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Stranger Things season four, Uh, creative of course by

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Speaker 2: the the Duffer Brothers, starring Winoda Ryder, David Harbor, Milly,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Heaton, Sadie Sink Hope you're doing well, Max. Uh,

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Speaker 2: No recap to speak of, but let's just you know,

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Speaker 2: our good friends. They faced off against Vecna from different

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Speaker 1: And they did it.

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Speaker 2: They it was a multi part plan to lure Vecna

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Speaker 1: Will it will hurt everything. And it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you as I was rewatching it this weekend,

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Speaker 3: They didn't just do it because other movies do it,

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Speaker 3: That's all I happened. There was a moment, the feeling

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Speaker 1: Was watching this show? Okay, up next the airlock.

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Speaker 2: We're stepping out on the airlock to talk about the

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Speaker 2: Boys and Miss Marvel. First up season three of the Boys.

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Speaker 2: The season three finale Instant White Hot Wild, written by

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Homelander lands at the farmhouse where his soup son Ryan Butcher,

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Speaker 2: Lot of bad shit and she's trying to make up

440
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: for it, and she's not doing a great job.

441
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: She's doing a bad joke.

442
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: Homelanders like, I just want to talk. When is Wendy

443
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: ever believe that.

444
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: From this guy? Anyway?

445
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: This is Homelander. Grace and Ryan are terrified, clearly Homelander.

446
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: It reacts with the iconic and stereotypical Homelander simmering rage.

447
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: When Ryan refers to Malory as Aunt Grace, He's like, aunt,

448
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: okay whatever. Aunt Grace is like reaching for her cell phone, Homelander,

449
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: where this superhero?

450
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: Here's it? He's like, don't even fucking do it.

451
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: Ryan asks Homelander in a really actually like whenever this

452
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: show gets heartfelt, it's crazy.

453
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: But Ryan is really.

454
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: The touchstone for a real emotion in this show, and

455
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: he's like, Hey, you know, are you mad at me

456
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: for you know the thing where I burned Stormfront? The

457
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: woman you love, the Nazi woman you love into like

458
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: a little stump person with it was like melted face.

459
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: And also my mom died in that incident or.

460
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: It was mortally wounded. It was tough. Are you mad

461
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: at me for that? And Homelander's like, no, no, of

462
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: course not absolutely not.

463
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Was I was I still masturbating to that stump Nazi.

464
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Earlier in the season. I was.

465
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: But I'm not mad about that I killed. I'm Homelander,

466
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: and you know what, I kill people all the time

467
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: by accident.

468
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: It's really not a big deal.

469
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: I killed the whole passenger plane sort of by accident

470
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: once because I lasered through the pilot's skull and destroyed

471
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: the uh, the insurance panel. So that happens, And so

472
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you. And they embrace and they

473
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: fly off outside HQ pro Starlight protesters fired up by Starlights.

474
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Social media leaks.

475
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: A lot of social media meeks in these finales, yes, lot,

476
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: it's a lot of it. Are squaring up against pro

477
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 2: Homelander protesters. Meanwhile inside the building, the Deep and Ashley

478
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: are like.

479
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: What the fuck do we do?

480
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: Uh? The AG the the Attorney General General is coming here. Uh,

481
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: she's got a search warrant.

482
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: And when did man.

483
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: You know it's serious when the Attorney General is coming

484
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: in person.

485
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, because I.

486
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Take video because of a TikTok video saying that Mave

487
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: is not really in rehab, she is imprisoned in Vought HQ.

488
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: So they're like, what do we do. Here's what they do.

489
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: They spray some kind of sedative into mave cell and

490
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: they're going to get her out of there. Meanwhile, Hughing

491
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: and Butcher have their own concern. Soldier boy. Of course,

492
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: we've seen that this guy is suffering from a mighty,

493
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: mighty mighty case of PTSD, which is not an excuse

494
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 2: for what a terrible person he is, but he is

495
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: suffering from that. He's and now he's having to deal

496
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: with the prospect of murdering his the issue of his body, Homelander,

497
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: his son Homelander, and so he's kind of self medicating

498
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: as he's off to do with with whiskey. And then

499
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: there's of course the issue of the fact that Hughey

500
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: and Butcher could die at literally any second because they've

501
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: been taking the temporary v and Hugh he's like bleeding

502
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: black shit out of his ear.

503
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah right, he told you something like absolutely this was

504
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: a terrible idea, Quei.

505
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: Any times Starlight says, iying, just listen, because she's right

506
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the time.

507
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: I will say this is a great I feel like

508
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: the the use of ving this the temp V and

509
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: this show has been a really really great U microcosm

510
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: for how thoughtfully the boys hand or stuff because they don't.

511
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: They didn't use it to be like this is about addiction.

512
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: They used it to be about this is about toxic masculinity.

513
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: This is about an obsession with power.

514
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: And I think it's about power.

515
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly so good and it's and they even

516
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: have a great moment where Starlight says to Qui, She's like,

517
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: I thought this was the drugs, but actually it's you,

518
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: and it's it really is a very thoughtful, like forward

519
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: thinking use of addiction to tell a story that's really

520
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: about something else.

521
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because really the central critique of The Boys, if

522
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: you could say there is one, is what would happen

523
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: if people had ultimate power, superhero level power, and then

524
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: the people who oppose them have to take the position

525
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: that power must be limited. So what happens when those

526
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: people begin to dabble.

527
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: In unlimited power?

528
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: And I and that's been a super super interesting driver

529
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the a lot of the story this season. Butcher,

530
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: of course, uh is just like he's cannonballing straight ahead.

531
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: He does not care about any of this stuff. He's like, uh,

532
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: you know what we need to do. We to go,

533
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: we to go get Mostly we'll as Huie telepull us

534
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: to the bad guys and we'll take and after we

535
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: tight the lee, we'll kill.

536
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: Noir and that's it. We'll kill Helm and then we're finished.

537
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: A lot uh, and soldier boys like whatever, I'm gonna

538
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: go drink more whisky tonight. Vought paramilitaries take the sedated

539
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: mave across town.

540
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

541
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: So the AG can't find her, but of course, maybe

542
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: is a fucking superhero. Folks, you think she hasn't been

543
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: through shit like this before? She wakes up, sheet run

544
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: the car. She's wonder woman, and what do you just think?

545
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: You gotta dose her again?

546
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: I can't do its in Jurassic Weld. You got to

547
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: keep them, got to keep them comped up.

548
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: Man, she can go toe to toe with Homelander and

549
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: you're just once, yeah, what are you doing? She wakes up,

550
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: she kills that one and fucking escapes frenchyet over at

551
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: mm's house comes to MM and is like, uh, hey,

552
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: I know what we can do to take down Soldier Boy.

553
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

554
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: Now that we lost the previous sedative, we can use

555
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: the neurotoxin novachuk, which is a real life poison which

556
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: the Russians have often used to take care of troublesome dissidence.

557
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: There's only one dose on the Eastern seaboard, and so

558
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: they're going to try and get it. MM the moral

559
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: heart of the boys, And I would actually say, if

560
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: there is a hero on the Boys, it is MM.

561
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Mother's milk is the hero of the story, the moral center,

562
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: the beating heart, the one character who is always keeping

563
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: insight like what they are there to do and what

564
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: and what they are fighting about, and keeping those lines

565
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: clearly drawn.

566
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really funny. I had a moment when

567
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: I was watching it and I was like, EMMM doesn't

568
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: have powers, And then I remember that the whole notion

569
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: of the boys is none of them have powers, and

570
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: they hate soups, but they've gone so far down this

571
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of temporary v and experiments and stuff that

572
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: is it's easy to forget that. But he is not

573
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: only is he like a moral center. But what I

574
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: really love about him is it's not some pure botanical

575
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: He is like a great guy, and he is someone

576
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: who is very human in a way a lot of

577
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: the other characters have lost, and he is the one

578
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: who when Starlight says to him like, no, we need

579
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: to do something good, he is the only one who

580
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: will listen. He is the only one who remembers that

581
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: it's true she can't go to anyone else and get

582
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: that help. He is the helper, He is the care

583
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean even this episode shows it really well, we'll

584
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: get into it in a minute, but even in his

585
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: personal life, he makes mistakes, but he makes up for

586
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: them in a way, and he.

587
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: Feels bad about them like a lot of our other heroes.

588
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: MM in this case, right now, in this scene, he's

589
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: feeling bad because he punched his daughter's stepfather, who is

590
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: a homelander loving fascist and deserved it, but still.

591
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Don't want to do that. Yeah, you don't want to

592
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: do that in front of your daughter. I get it.

593
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: He feels bad for losing control. Frenchie tells MM, like,

594
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: you're the best human being I know. Just the respect

595
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: that French she shows to him is.

596
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Really great here.

597
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Uh. And then and then he's like, listen, you just

598
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: have to tell your daughter the truth about your family history.

599
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Your family was murdered by soldier boy, et cetera.

600
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: And also get back on the lix of pro man

601
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I love and Kamika.

602
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: That's like a I love them.

603
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: Back at Vaught, Ashley in the deep find Homelander in

604
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: his suite watching n NC news. Uh, just watching a

605
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: report about Vaught stock prices which are in the toilet.

606
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: Is the result of Starlight's various social media missives and

607
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: her most recent post, in which she secrets taped Homelander

608
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: going on one of his trademark psychotics creeds, which, let

609
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: me just say, they should have released the airplane tape. Originally,

610
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: this was like an actually crucial mistake that the boys

611
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: did when when Homeland was like, I'll kill a million people,

612
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: I call your bluff. Because here's the thing. If as

613
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: the champions of limited power, the Boy's backup is people,

614
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: it's public opinion, and they just needed to they should

615
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: have released the video.

616
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: But that's neither here.

617
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: No, no, no no. But I think that's really I think

618
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: you raised an interesting point because I wonder if the

619
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: notion of it is like you see over these three

620
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: seasons as like the boys going from this tiny enclave

621
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: of like violent men to like spreading out and understanding

622
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: more about like community and bringing in different voices, and

623
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: maybe they like needed to have that journey. But obviously, yeah,

624
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: that's one of those I call it like a walking

625
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: dead thing. That's like my walking dead thing is where

626
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: like you can you could have done something five episodes

627
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: or a season ago. I'm been in the same place,

628
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: but you have to do the journey to get that.

629
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: So this to me is smacks of that.

630
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: I love this season, but there are notes of that throughout. Yeah,

631
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: this episode will continue. Ashley and the Deep are absolutely

632
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: shitting themselves because they now have to break the news

633
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: to an already pissed Homelander that may have escaped, and

634
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: it's it is one hundred percent more Ashley's than the Deeps,

635
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: but it's their fault. Homelander here is this, and he's

636
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: about to fucking blow his top and maybe kill one

637
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: or both of them. Only when Black Noir prodigal son

638
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: Black Noir returns, he's of course been on the run,

639
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: and Ashley in the Deep clear out clearly relieved. Noir

640
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: Show's Homelander a note that says soldier boy will come

641
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: we kill and then they embrace at a gas station somewhere.

642
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: Butcher socks Hughey, knocking him out so Hughie can't make

643
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: more v and come on the mission with them, he'd

644
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 2: Homelander then gets back to the car or Soldier Boar

645
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: wakes up.

646
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: And says, where's the congosler.

647
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: Christ And he was like, you know what, you were right.

648
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: He was a coward. He ran for it and he

649
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: less and now we're gonna do it. All sells, aren't

650
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: we uh? And so s B is like, great, we'll

651
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: go back to sleep. A Tran arrives at his brother

652
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Nathan's house. Nathan and now without the use of his

653
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: legs because of the attack by Blue Hawk, which is

654
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: essentially a train's fault, Nathan isn't doing great. Nathan is

655
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: surprised to see him, and a Train is like, hey,

656
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: I'm alive. After the events of herogasm, I got a

657
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: brand new heart. He does leave out the part where

658
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: it's Blue Hawk's heart.

659
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: Such an absolutely evil move by votes pr Pass and

660
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: she just did that to funk with him, like yeah,

661
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: come on, it's it's very cruel, it's very it's almost

662
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: like very like Arie Indiana, like you get the Hall

663
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: and will it make you? But I mean I will

664
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 3: also say as well, like we'll get into this later.

665
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: But something this season just does so well that all

666
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: the seasons have done well, but this is the extra

667
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: version of it. Is like this is just so searingly

668
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: real about how these corporations work and that relationship with

669
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: a tran I think is is very, very very key

670
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: for good way that these heroes are like token eyes

671
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: then and utilized as tools.

672
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: Someone on Twitter and I forget who and I apologize

673
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: to them for not getting their tag but said that

674
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: paraphrasing now, But it's like The Boys wields its satire

675
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: like Paul Verhoven, like RoboCop, like where it's just absolutely

676
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: bashing you in the face with the second Stashap Troopers.

677
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: That's what's great about the Boys. There's nothing subtle about

678
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: the Boys. They're still like there is a character named Stormfront,

679
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean.

680
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: This season and they did and some people they didn't

681
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: realize she was a Nazi. But like this season as well,

682
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: you introduced the legend, you know, the stan Lee character

683
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: by play by Paul Riser, and they literally have words

684
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: of him. He literally sits there and has a scene

685
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: where he talks about how he sat there making up

686
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: myths and earned millions. Like they're not afraid to just

687
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: be real. They you know, at one point, Soldier Boy says,

688
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: you know, shut up or I'll slap you, like Connery,

689
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: Like they're just like and then you get the stuff

690
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: with when they're talking about Disney or Warner Brothers and

691
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: and the kind of notion of how these superheroes are

692
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: wielded almost like a modern god pantheon. It's it's very

693
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: very funny. But you're right, the vere Hooven, Yeah, Jacob.

694
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Jacob Jacob Hall. This was Jacob har from.

695
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: The vere Hoven. Is such a good call because like

696
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: when Starship you know, he's maybe my favorite director, but

697
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: definitely one of them. And when Starship Troopers came out,

698
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, that was a movie that was widely misunderstood

699
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: by critics who were like, oh, he's making this horrific

700
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: pro military, pro America movie, and it's actually just an

701
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: incredibly grotesque satire of those very things and the boys.

702
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: If you watched it, you could be like, oh, is

703
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: this like, are we supposed to like them?

704
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: But I mean, all the all the Homelander fans suddenly

705
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: that was this season was like, oh wait, he's the

706
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: dead guy.

707
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think Eric Kripkey does a really good

708
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: job of balancing that constant on that constant knife edge

709
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: of well, we're making entertainment and you're choosing to watch it,

710
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: and the entertainment we're making is also the thing we're

711
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: critiquing constantly. That's really hard to do, and I think

712
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: they do a really good job in this season. This

713
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: season did a better job than any other season.

714
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Free so a Triann tries to reconcile with his brother,

715
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: but but Nate doesn't want to hear it. He's angry

716
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: because a Trian rather than bringing blue Hawk to justice,

717
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: which actually, listen, I wanted to see blue Hawk dead too.

718
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: But I think for actual act for what Nate want,

719
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: which is actual change in the community, someone needs to

720
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: pay a price in the in the legal system to

721
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: actually change things.

722
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: And now that's been taken from them because.

723
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Held accountable in the light of of the courts, so

724
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: everybody can see it didn't happen because his brother killed him.

725
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: A train initially tries to lie like a soldier boy

726
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: did it, but Nate knows it's not true. And then

727
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: they fight and Nate falls out of his chair and

728
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: that's it for that relationship. Starlight picks Huey up from

729
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: the gas station. She is super mad because he has

730
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: been lying for a long time about taking vee and stuff,

731
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: and Starlight, realizing that Butcher has not as he promised

732
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: to do, told Hueye that that one more dose of

733
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: combat he could kill him, tells him and Huey realizes

734
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: then that Butcher punched him to save his life. He

735
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: has some further realizations about just like what moral strength is,

736
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: and he apologizes to Starlight for everything.

737
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: She's like, fucking told you, uh, And.

738
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Then star gets a phone call from mave Mayve is

739
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: it m ms hue and mm give a star and

740
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Mavee some privacy may have credit Starlight's social media campaign

741
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: with giving her the opportunity to escape, but she's also like,

742
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: why don't you just fucking like a real superhero just

743
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: fucking bust me out?

744
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: What is that?

745
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Camiko uh can't stand to see Frenchy abusing himself

746
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: the way he is, you know, totally depressed about like

747
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: the way that his past has come up and he's

748
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: been re traumatized by things that have happened in his

749
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: past and his past failures, and he's storting lines and

750
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: generally acting like he doesn't care about life anymore. Uh

751
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: but Camiko, and you're absolutely right, this is like I

752
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: nothing can happen to them. No, that's I'll protect them.

753
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, real riot like their job.

754
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Nothing can happen to that.

755
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: And they did. They did a much better job of

756
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: this season as well. I think of of giving Kimiko

757
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: a space to eliza feelings and her relationships with people

758
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: and stuff and in multiple inventive ways. So I really

759
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: love to see this, and I love the way that

760
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: for Kamika was like I didn't think I could ever be,

761
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: you know better, but you saw something in me and

762
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: and don't give up because I see it in you.

763
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: I think that's really powerful and the just an incredible

764
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: performance all around by Karen Fukarhar unbelievable.

765
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: She dores so many episodes in this season. When I

766
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: was watching and rewatching for the for the prep where

767
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, fuck, but you.

768
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: Are with with with facial expressions, with gesture, with posture,

769
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: and she's just so fucking good.

770
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: She's great. Uh.

771
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: Mavee is freaking out after learning that Soldier Boy is

772
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: Tom Landers Dad.

773
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: Undistudable, Yeah, understandable.

774
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: Starlight, meanwhile, is like on the phone to Vaught trying

775
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: to raise the alarm so several thousand people at tower

776
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: don't die. She leaves a message on the answering machine.

777
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: The boys plus star may have come up with a plan. Okay,

778
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna go take down so Boy and save Butcher.

779
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Right.

780
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: Hugh is like, we're save Butcher too. He's like, good,

781
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: he saved my life mms.

782
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: And so sure. He's pretty sure that that Butcher has.

783
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Gone all the way bad because of all the compound

784
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: v he is taking. But Hughey says, listen really deep down,

785
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: like I mean deep, like all deep, Yeah, like all

786
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: the way down.

787
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: I think there's still so good.

788
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: And then he says the thing that I think is

789
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: kind of the central ethos of the stand that this

790
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: show is taking, which is we save everyone even if

791
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: they don't deserve it, especially if they don't deserve it,

792
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: which I think raises an interesting moral quandary which I've

793
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: been thinking about, which I'm now going to ask you

794
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: about now. Yes, So I think that unlimited power is

795
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: of course terrible. Superhero power is.

796
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: Of course bad, and that it should be critiqued and

797
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: should be fought against.

798
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: And if you're going to power yourself up, as as

799
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: our friends do here, it should be done very very carefully,

800
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: with a lot of a lot of oversight. But the

801
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: thing I was and I respect mm's stance and I

802
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: agree with it most of the time. The thing I

803
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: was thinking of in the context of our.

804
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: Broader world is.

805
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: When are you talking about power to win or are

806
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: you or are you talking about meeting structural power with

807
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: structure power? What I mean is this, if one side

808
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: is using power to win, at what point do you

809
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: decide the game? The rules of the game have now

810
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: been so warped that you have to meet that power

811
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: with power in order to balance things. And I think

812
00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: that that is a very seductive question, and everybody thinks

813
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: that they know the right answer, and usually what happens

814
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: is you pick up the scepter of power.

815
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: And you are wrong or you go too far.

816
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: But I also think that it's a it's a it's

817
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: a thing that needs to be thought about in debated

818
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: because if the other side has all the superheroes, and they.

819
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Are empowering and upholding like a despotic fascist system.

820
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: And the only way to bring them down is to

821
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: power yourself up for a little while.

822
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to seriously consider doing it.

823
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the Boys, It's the it's the Boys

824
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: asking the ultimate superhero question. It's the Magnio argument versus

825
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: the Childs Xavier argument. It's the notion of do you

826
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: meet power and violence with power and violence, or do

827
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: you try and take the higher ground and protect everyone. Well,

828
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: I really actually like about the way that The Boys

829
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: is presenting it is it's not this notion of kind

830
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: of a lot of times this gets pulled down to

831
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: almost like a non violence versus violence and non power

832
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: versus power. Here, it's more like we're gonna do what

833
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: needs to be done and try and reek as little

834
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: damage as possible, which I actually think is a pretty

835
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 3: radical That's like a very realistic yet radical notion where

836
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: it's like you have to do something terrible to stop

837
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: you have to do something terrible to respond to him,

838
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: but and all you can do is think how many

839
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: people can we save and how can we cause as

840
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: little damage? Collateral damage as possible.

841
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part of it is I found myself thinking

842
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: of that.

843
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: Very interesting question a lot.

844
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: Over at Boys HQ and the Flat Iron, Soldier Word

845
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Butcher chatting about dads, and it turns out they both

846
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: had really bad ones. Butcher recks his phone rather than

847
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: pick up a call from Grace Mallory. We learned that

848
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy's dad was a complete piece of shit that,

849
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: even after Soldier Word became the superhero's dad was like,

850
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: you cheated, you took a shortcut. This is Cly resonating

851
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: with Butcher, whose dad, as we have seen in the flashbacks,

852
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: was also like a real, real, real piece of shit. Troublingly,

853
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy then says I always wanted to have kids.

854
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: I think I'd be a better.

855
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Father than my dad, which triggers Butcher to be like,

856
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: you know, hey, he's no your son. Demind him to

857
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: replace you. You didn't rise him truth bombs. But listen,

858
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy. Is he looking for that emotionalkitch? We don't know,

859
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: and it's unclear whether Butcher and Soldier Boys still have

860
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: a deal. Over at Vought Home, later finds Noir sharpening

861
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: his katana. He asks, Noir, uh, like a Soldier Boy.

862
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: What was what was he like that? Nora scribbles Homie

863
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: then asks Noir the key question, did you as Soldier

864
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: Boy's former teammate on Payback? No that And by the way,

865
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: I can see you because I have ExtraVision, I can

866
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: see your face under that fucking mask.

867
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Did you know he was my dad? And Norah's like yeah, uh.

868
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: They embrace, and then Homelander disembowels Noir, tears his guts out,

869
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: and Noir dies as his cartoon friends keep him company

870
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: throughout his final moments.

871
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think again, do we think is dead or no?

872
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: Generally I've kind of felt like he was near immortal

873
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: slash very good at healing in a Wolverine or Deadpool

874
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: star way in the past. This seemed pretty brutal and fine.

875
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: That's where everywhere I also, I have to say, like

876
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: this is to me, Noir's arc on this this season

877
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: has is a is proof of how inventive and thoughtful

878
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: the team behind this is because the using his this

879
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: is a character who is essentially faceless, emotionless in the experience.

880
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and is a clone of Homeless.

881
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And and and here is kind of like

882
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: that we only experienced so far in the show. Up

883
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 3: until this point, we've only really experienced his experiences through

884
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: other people's perceptions of them. And by adding this PTSD

885
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: imaginary friend to loocinogenic aspect of these animated characters, which one,

886
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: by the way, beautifully animated and Amazon's animation unbelievable, two,

887
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: it made his death have so much weight. It felt

888
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: really sad.

889
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: It felt really sad because it sucks, and he sucks.

890
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: He absolutely sucks. But you learn about his PTSD, you

891
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: learn about there's another thing, like we were saying, I

892
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: was saying about stranger things, and I think The Boys

893
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: does it in a way way more expansive and deep way.

894
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: This whole season is about these cycles of abuse and

895
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: cycles of trauma. The government is abusing these superheroes by

896
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: raising them. You know, Homelander was raised to be this

897
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: fascist Nazi piece of shit. Now does that mean he

898
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: could have changed a long way? Of course it does.

899
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: Does he constantly make terrible choices? Yes, but we get

900
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: to see you with his son as well, Like these

901
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: cycles continue until you break them. And this show has

902
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: done such a good job of just being really empathetic

903
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: to everyone, both good and bad and giving everyone a

904
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: kind of humanity. And it's so funny because if you

905
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, there's a character who wears a mask

906
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: and he's kind of like a Deadpool esque Batman character,

907
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: and then he started seeing all these animated characters and

908
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: it was really emotional. People will be like, what the

909
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: fuck are you talking about, But when you actually watch it,

910
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: when it hits, it hits, and then when he dies,

911
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I care because it's not the first

912
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: time he died, and the other times I was.

913
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 2: Like, eh, do I catch what I think is part

914
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: of I love what you said, because I think part

915
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: of what our heroes in this show do really well

916
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: is give each other the opportunity to like take the

917
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: off rint before they pass on their trauma to someone else.

918
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Before they act on it.

919
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: Act on that trauma as a way to take back

920
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: agency because something bad was done to them. Therefore I

921
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: can do something bad to somebody else. I'm taking back control.

922
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: This is the way the world works. But all of

923
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: our heroes, the way they talk to each other, the

924
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: way they suggest. You know that a character you know

925
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: talk to janis this French She says to mm as starlight.

926
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: You know the way Starlight comes clean and talks to Huge.

927
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: They're all giving each other these opportunities to like get

928
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: out of take the off ramp, yes the cycle before

929
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: they pass on the bad stuff.

930
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: I love that, and I'm very excited to see how

931
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 3: that kind of manifests for Butcher in the next season, because,

932
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: like he has these huge moments this season, especially when

933
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: he has that whole flashback to Lenny and his childhood

934
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: and the mistakes he made, and for the first time

935
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: he sees them. At every point when he is watching

936
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: that happen, he's saying, no, do something different, don't do that,

937
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: do this, He's already learning it. But the question but

938
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: then in that even after that experience, he couldn't just

939
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: be truthful to Huey face to face. It had to

940
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: he had to do it in some weird, convoluted way

941
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: that he turned to violence to push him away in order.

942
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: That You're right, just the fact that he is like

943
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: engaging with those memories in a.

944
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: Way, why he blaming himself.

945
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: He's he's actually taking for the first time seemingly in

946
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: his life, taking taking stock and processing those events and

947
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: finding out how they power him. Listen, Like, like for

948
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: anybody who's been to therapy. What happens you start talking

949
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: about shit, like the earliest stuff. It's that's always where

950
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: you go. You go for me anyway, you end up

951
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: going back to stuff from your kid and what that's

952
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: like the root of who everyone is, It's all comes

953
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: from there, Like, uh, all the feelings of like not

954
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: being accepted and being traumatized, it all comes from there.

955
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: And because that's the time in your life when you

956
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: just had no power, you no agency, uh, and you

957
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: were looking for it and you were looking for signals

958
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: about how to wield it. And so yeah, I loved

959
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: It'll be really interesting to see where Butcher goes next.

960
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: He's never going to be a classical hero. That's not

961
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: where he is, that's not what the show is. But

962
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what his you know, traditional classical

963
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: heroes journey is now that he's coming to terms with that,

964
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: and how it manifests itself in the next season.

965
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: Back at the Flat Iron, the boys find Butcher. He's

966
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: about to take some v MM gets in his face.

967
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: Hue pulls them away. They try in this moment to talk,

968
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: but you're into being like actual heroes for once, Like,

969
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: think about all the people that are in that tower

970
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: of thousands of people, there's janitors. It's just like normal

971
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: people going about their work. We need to stop Soldier Boy.

972
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: Uh maybe is like Dewey and she takes the novachuck.

973
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: She throws it twenty.

974
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Miles out the fucking window.

975
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 3: Sorry to whoever that yes, it went into.

976
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, oh, look at this, a little Starlight.

977
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: Perfew and then they're dead. Homelander needs to die, she says,

978
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: whatever it takes. Starlight is pissed, but then Soldier Boy

979
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: shows up and they all make everybody get in the safe.

980
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 2: At Vought, the Deep, a Train and Ashley are listening

981
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: to Starlight's voicemail. The Deep is like, uh, should we

982
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: should we do like an analysis to make sure it's

983
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: really her? And also should we evacuate a home? Layers like, no,

984
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: we stay in Project Strength. When the Deep lays out

985
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: his plan, you Nora's bait for Soldier Boy, Homelander drops

986
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: Norah's head just to help on the table, and then

987
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: Uh proceeds to tear into his teammates for being not

988
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: up to the standards of Homelander. He's like, you guys

989
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: fucking suck. He decides to teach them a lesson. He's like, Deep, Uh,

990
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: if if he wants to help, uh, here's what you do.

991
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: Anything whispers in his ear, and whatever it was he

992
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: said was clearly bad because the Deep very reluctantly agrees

993
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: to do whatever he says. Then he tells Ashley take

994
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: off your wig.

995
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: Here we learned that.

996
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: Ashley has has like a no hair.

997
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm interested in this because like I can't, I can't

998
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 3: help but think, look, we have a character hair soldier

999
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: boy who's radioactive, right, that's very Doctor Manhattan. To then

1000
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 3: have somebody who's in that realm losing their hair, maybe

1001
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: being sick, maybe having cancer, I think that that is

1002
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 3: going to become He does it to to shame her,

1003
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: because he's to shame because he's misogynistic, but I think

1004
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: it is going to lead to a bigger.

1005
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: I've been We've been waiting, We've been waiting for now

1006
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: three seasons for the turn from Ashley, and like maybe

1007
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: it's in sight, but we're not quite clear if it is.

1008
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: And then finally a Trane is like, how dare you

1009
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: kill pop Club? Remember when you did that back in

1010
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: season one? A fellow sloop and then he says noir

1011
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: was worth more than all of you put together. Uh.

1012
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: And what was the thing that Homelander whispered to the deep?

1013
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: It was for the deep to kill Lamar Bishop aka

1014
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: Dakota Bob's.

1015
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: Vice presidential candidate.

1016
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: Who and he does them by drowning him in his

1017
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: pool by I guess, waiting in the pool, which is

1018
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: the weirdest way to do it.

1019
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: It's like he had to like sit at the bottom

1020
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: like he was because he can breathe under the wall.

1021
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: I had to show off he has really had Truly

1022
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: what an oarc?

1023
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: What an arc? From that guy?

1024
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: Starlight punches our friend's way out of the safe. They

1025
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: of course need more nerve gas and Frenchy figures it out.

1026
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, guess what, there is a lab that

1027
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: has everything we need. It's inaught tower. Okay, So they

1028
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: come up with a plan. Frenchie will cook up the

1029
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: nerve agent while everybody else fights Homelander and Soldier Boy. Uh.

1030
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: And on the way out the door, Huey finds like

1031
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: under the couch another spare vial of some of that

1032
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: temporary view. Butcher Mave and Soldier Boy find Homelander watching

1033
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: old World War two footage.

1034
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: Of Soldier Boy. Oh Dad.

1035
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Homelander then tells everybody that Nor's Dwett, that Noir is dead,

1036
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: and then he is just like, hey, Dad, can we

1037
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: just like reconnect?

1038
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: Can we just like team up? Like no one could

1039
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: stop us if we team up? Like uh?

1040
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: And then Butcher alarmed to get it. This is like, Hi,

1041
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: this zeal Son. Don't lose folk Soka, you didn't rise him.

1042
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: Then Homelander brings out it's a very tough moment, terrible.

1043
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: He's add into the annual.

1044
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: Homelander wants them to be one big, weird, murderous, genocidal

1045
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: fascist superhero family, and Soldier Boy luckily, weirdly luckily, Soldier

1046
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: Boy is a complete piece of shit, and much like

1047
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: Homelander is, is triggered by any.

1048
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: Kind of vulnerability or weakness.

1049
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: This is the toxic masculinity of which you spoke right.

1050
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: The way that society imprints on men to treat weakness

1051
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: or any kind of show of vulnerability.

1052
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: Is attack it. And this is what Soldier Boy does

1053
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: in this moment.

1054
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: He's like, you're such a fucking sniveling pussy star for

1055
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: attention and then they fight, which very again, very very

1056
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: lucky for Butcher and our heroes that Soldier Boy is

1057
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: so toxic because if not, they might have teamed up

1058
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: and become a family.

1059
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: It's kill everybody.

1060
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: It's really interesting as well, because like we've had this

1061
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 3: journey for Hue this season with the temp V where

1062
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: he is essentially living out his toxic masculinity fantasies where

1063
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: suddenly he's able to be the strong man and the

1064
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: man who can do all the things that his girlfriend

1065
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: can't do. And and he's seeing this kind of beautiful

1066
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 3: to him, this kind of like you know, Garden of Ambrosia,

1067
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: where he can be everything he's always been told he

1068
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: can be. But at the same time he's been hanging

1069
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: around Soldier Boy. He's just an absolute piece of shit.

1070
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 3: And like there's a line where he is like everything

1071
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: you say is gross, and I'm like please, son, Like

1072
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: he this is the lesson, Like this is what you are.

1073
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: This is the end game. You know, we were talking

1074
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: today before on preper about end games, like where do

1075
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: you end up if you follow that path? That is

1076
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: the ultimate version of it. So yeah, Also, I just

1077
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: had to say Jensen acles he was ready for this role.

1078
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 3: He is just like he is so happy to not

1079
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 3: be on TV.

1080
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: He's exploded from the soap opera world, from the CW world,

1081
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: and he is just fucking doing it.

1082
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: Man, he's great good.

1083
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: He is so good in this role.

1084
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: Uh, it's almost like this is gonna be this is

1085
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: not quite the comparison we're kind of. It reminds me

1086
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: of the first time I saw John Hamm and Madman.

1087
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: Where I was like, where the fuck is this guy?

1088
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: Like do they just have like handsome good actors, like

1089
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: in a warehouse somewhere where there.

1090
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: Was absolutely deep, like gut wrenching acting, And Jensen just

1091
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: like commits so deeply and he makes the character so unlikable,

1092
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: which is his power as an actor. You're not also

1093
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: Jensen being unlikable. You're watching this, You're watching I mean,

1094
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: this is it's the most basic take, right, but this

1095
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: is the truth. You are basically watching, like this is

1096
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: what I would be like if Captain America existed. It

1097
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 3: absolutely is.

1098
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: And the thing that makes it not obviously again this

1099
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: is it's not a subtle performance. But the thing that

1100
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: I love about what Accles does here is he makes

1101
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: Soldier boy so like marinated in his own like his

1102
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: own like self hatred of him, you know, like his

1103
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: own toxic self hatred and PTSD is this.

1104
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Intense stew that he just.

1105
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: Can't deal with in any other way other than smoking

1106
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: a lot of weed and drinking a lot of whiskey

1107
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: and then occasionally literally blowing up.

1108
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: In a so that I think is like the realist ship, right,

1109
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: is not just this notion of self medication, which for

1110
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: a lot of people can be the only way that

1111
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: you can treat yourself. But also this is a great

1112
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: example of the boys doing the most all version of

1113
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: an analogy. Yeah, the notion of his PTSD is that

1114
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: when he gets triggered, he literally explodes.

1115
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: It's a literal exclusion.

1116
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: It's not a violent it's not so but it works.

1117
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: And it's really really especially because they even have like

1118
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: a Geiger counter to measure how radioactive he is to

1119
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: see if he's gonna go off. But no one at

1120
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: any point does a good job of like trying to

1121
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: comfort him or stop it. It's more like even they

1122
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: just see him as a weapon. It's very interesting stuff.

1123
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: Ryan gets knocked out and then Homelander goes to tend

1124
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: to him, so our friends grab him and Soldier Boy

1125
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: lines him up to do the hero gasm on him.

1126
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: And depower him.

1127
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: But then Butcher is like, Ryan's gonna get zap too,

1128
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: and he feels bad about it. So now it's Butcher

1129
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: versus Soldier Boy and May versus Homelander with starlight and

1130
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: MM thrown in for some good measure, and we get

1131
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: some truly like movie level super action. It's it's like,

1132
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: it's just great superhero action, great great, great superhero action,

1133
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: which the show is delivered all absolute season. Now, I

1134
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: will say, small note, I think there's a great like

1135
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: device that's at play here, and you see it a

1136
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: lot in suspense movies, suspense books, where it's like, uh,

1137
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: it's like every time our heroes get the thing that

1138
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: they want in their grasp, it gets pulled away, It

1139
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: gets pulled away, it gets pulled away.

1140
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I will say it's a little it flirted with a little.

1141
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: Too, like just blast Homelander already, like it was a little.

1142
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a little the walking Dead thing, there's

1143
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: a little.

1144
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 3: There's a little moment earlier this season as well where

1145
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: Soldier Boy and uh, Butcher and Hue do get to

1146
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: the point where they could have just killed him, but

1147
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: Butcher and Butcher and hue having a little like you go, no,

1148
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: you go, and I'm like, they just kill.

1149
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: Just kill killing babe.

1150
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: There's lots of just killing babe moments.

1151
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: That is an absolutely minor. It's very.

1152
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 3: You're like, I love the characters, so I'm okay with

1153
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: chill him with them, but also just kill him ill again.

1154
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: I just want to acknowledge that.

1155
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: Huey gets on the PA he's in the security room

1156
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: and he calls trying evacuation, so everybody's all the civilians

1157
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: are leaving. Meanwhile, French, she is cooking up the nerve

1158
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: agent as Comiko to the dancing to the tune of

1159
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: Maniac from Flash Dance French. He finishes making the nerve agent,

1160
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: but then he gets shot in the ankle. Upstairs, Homelander

1161
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: pops out Mavee's eye. Terrible Soldier Boy gets the best

1162
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: of Butcher, Comiko and MM and the security room.

1163
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: Huie sees this. He sees the danger.

1164
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: He's about to take the vial of v but instead

1165
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: he turns up the lights in the studio to their

1166
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: highest level. Starlight gets super super powered up to levels

1167
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: we have never seen before, and she hits Soldier Boy

1168
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: with all that she has doesn't knock him out, but

1169
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: it stuns him and it's a big hit. Camiko and

1170
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: Starlight hold him as mother's milk slips that nova chuck

1171
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: in halo over Soldier Boy's mouth.

1172
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: He says, from my family, he's breathing it in.

1173
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: But Soldier Boy is super pissed. He's powering up to

1174
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: blast off. And then Mave, after stebbing Homelander in the ear,

1175
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: sees all of this and very very very regretfully understands

1176
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: that she has to be the hero.

1177
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: Now, she has to do something.

1178
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: So she's like, fuck, I guess I gotta, I gotta,

1179
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: I gotta do it. I gotta be wonder woman. She

1180
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: tackles Soldier Boy clear of the building, and Soldier Boy

1181
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: detonates in the air, wrecking the outside of Vaught. But

1182
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: it's fine and killing Mave, we think, But everyone else

1183
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: is okay, including Homelander. Fuck, this guy is still up

1184
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: and going.

1185
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: There's my guy. I can't believe this guy is. He's

1186
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: not even sprat. He's a termination. He's going to.

1187
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 2: He did take like a letter opener to the neck.

1188
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: But like, this guy is still going. He confronts Butcher,

1189
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: who's like raw in come but Ryan is like, Dad,

1190
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: let's go, and he means Homelander.

1191
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he means Homelander.

1192
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: But Ray, he's a he's a cut any but no,

1193
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: Ryan definitely wants to go with Homelander and then they

1194
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: just leave and Butcher's brain then starts bleeding black shit.

1195
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: And he passes.

1196
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: Sorry.

1197
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: Fast forward, we watch a Vaught news piece on h

1198
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: on Mave ri ip May the whole world is turning

1199
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: out uh to celebrate the life of Mave. Butcher in

1200
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: the hospital learns that the v damage is terminal and

1201
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: he has maybe eighteen months. MM tells Janine about his

1202
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: and his family's past, including the deaths of many of

1203
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: the family at the hands of Soldier Boy. He tells

1204
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: her how he's fighting just like her granddad did, to

1205
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: get justice. We learned that Mave is alive.

1206
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

1207
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: I was very very happy about this. She lost her eye, Yes,

1208
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: she did lose her powers also, but she survived and

1209
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: now she's just gonna lay low on a farm somewhere

1210
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: with Elena and they're gonna go off.

1211
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna live a great life. Over at Vought. Ashley

1212
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: and Anika UH see the security footage that may have survived.

1213
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: They see MM and the rest like picking her up

1214
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: and putting her in the van and spearing her away

1215
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: on the security camera.

1216
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: And as she's like a race that shit, they erase

1217
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: it immediately.

1218
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 3: The ton is it coming?

1219
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Is coming? They erase it is.

1220
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: She sick of it.

1221
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: Grace Mallory, back in power, oversees the return of her

1222
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: former teammates Soldier Boys his body to Stasi's containment. Sleep well,

1223
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: dear Prince Soldier Boy. The Deep watches Cassandra.

1224
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: His X on TV announcing the the.

1225
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: Very fast publication of her tell all. I guess she

1226
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: must have been writing. You're absolutely right she was writing

1227
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: it while she was with him of her new tell

1228
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: all in Too Deep, My journey to Freedom to Choose

1229
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: being the number two's of course, about her leaving a

1230
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: toxic relationship with her squid fucking soup ex boyfriend. The

1231
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: Deep at the Flatirn Starlight throws her starlight costume away.

1232
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: Doesn't double bag it and tie and double knotted as

1233
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: she as MM, who is ocd about cleanliness, would wish

1234
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: her to do. But of course they're welcoming her to

1235
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: the boys as wonderful.

1236
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: She is part of the.

1237
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: Team now, but then newsflash, the TV is announcing that

1238
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: guess who, Victoria Newman is replacing Lamar's Dakota Bob's new

1239
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: vice presidential candidate. That's right, Victoria Newman, who can pop

1240
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: people's skulls. Though no one knows it, it will now

1241
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: be one popped skull away from the highest the highest

1242
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: throne of power in the land.

1243
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: That bitch definitely has gotta go elsewhere.

1244
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: Homelander introduces Ryan to his and stormfronts right wing supporters

1245
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 2: at the protest that seems to be always going on

1246
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: outside Vought. When a counter protester throws a drink at Ryan,

1247
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: Homelander just lasers the guy's head off in the in

1248
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: the broad daylight, in front of everybody. Yeah, and Janine's

1249
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: stepdad is there and he's like, I love it, And

1250
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: then Ryan smiles and season is over.

1251
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

1252
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: What Wow?

1253
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: Season?

1254
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: If you didn't know who Homelander is meant to be,

1255
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 3: they made that I could shoot someone in the street

1256
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: and people would still vote for me.

1257
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: They made it.

1258
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 3: It's right there, bab he literally blows up a guy's head,

1259
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: and Todd and everyone else is.

1260
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, this is great love that I knew. I

1261
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: think the.

1262
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 3: Ryan thing is a really good choice because it's just realistic.

1263
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: That's what happens. When your dad is a fascist, You're

1264
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 3: probably going to become a fascist, and if you go

1265
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: out of it, it will be later. And I think

1266
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: that there was a moment. I'm a softy in some ways,

1267
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: even though I love like action and stuff. So there

1268
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 3: was a moment at the end of season two where

1269
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: I loved the idea of Butcher being there for Ryan

1270
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 3: and that being a way of him showing his love

1271
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: for Becka. But the reality was he was shipped to Becca,

1272
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: he was shipped to die, and he basically abandoned Ryan

1273
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 3: and allowed Homeline.

1274
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: As Ryan extreame don't leave, Yeah.

1275
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: And he's like bye, and he left up with Grace

1276
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 3: and then he opened up this space for for Homelander.

1277
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: So I think it will be really interesting. I think

1278
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: we haven't really seen a soup with a sidekick yet,

1279
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: so I'm very excited to see the Robin Batman Homeland

1280
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: Ryan thing that they'll obviously do next season.

1281
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: Can't wait for a season four coming next year. Miss

1282
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: Marvel Finale episode six No Normal teleplay by Will done A. C.

1283
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: Bradley and Matthew Chauncey story by Will Done, directed by

1284
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: a deal in Billal We open on Jersey City agents

1285
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: Diver and Berry of the Department of Damage Control or

1286
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: examining the wreckage outside the Circle K Bruno's apartment, obviously

1287
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: above that this is what happens when the wrong people

1288
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: get powers. Diver says absolutely.

1289
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely about absolutely.

1290
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely letting us know that the Department of Damage Control

1291
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: is gonna be a part of the Sentinel program eventually

1292
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: all of these people who very very clearly don't like

1293
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: Howard for or at least she is she is for sure,

1294
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: and well, listen, I think what they were signaling two

1295
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: episodes ago when the Clandestines were were being put in

1296
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: prison but then the guards just started being really physical and.

1297
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: Abusive towards them, is letting us know.

1298
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: That this is an entire This department is staffed with

1299
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: people who feel this way, and we're headed that way.

1300
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: I think that that. I think this episode is really

1301
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: interesting in that way because we see a distinct extremism

1302
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: from Sadie Diva, which is not surprising because she's been

1303
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: going that way. But then are the DODC agent who

1304
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 3: he met in No Way home. He takes a ton

1305
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: against that. I'm very interested to see if we'll get

1306
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: some kind of split.

1307
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is well, we'll get there,

1308
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 2: but I think that that is going to happen. Notably,

1309
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: Deaver says that she wants whoever this powered person is

1310
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: that they haven't caught but they're looking for. She wants

1311
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: him brought in and studied. Sounds like the Sentinel does. Meanwhile,

1312
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: Bruno and Comrade are on the Path train and they're

1313
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: headed for Manhattan. The plan is to transfer there and

1314
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 2: then to head upstate, which I'll just say a in

1315
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: an episode filled with Easter eggs about mutants and the

1316
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: X men heading up state felt like it means something.

1317
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: But listen, and there's a teenager who can't control his

1318
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: powers and he's thinking about heading up state.

1319
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 1: That's just like an X that's so many experts.

1320
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this, So loo watch this episode

1321
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 3: with this in mind. Compared it to the other episodes.

1322
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: Not only is the camera moment and that's like part

1323
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: of the story. We have Agent Divas starting talking about

1324
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: experimenting on people. That screams Weapon X. It screams that

1325
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: they could need genetics for the drones that will inevitably

1326
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 3: become the Sentinels, as Jason so rightly pointed out last week.

1327
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 3: And the other thing is this looks different. This episode

1328
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: opens with these huge, sweeping shots of the New York

1329
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 3: skyline and these towering images of the Statue of Liberty,

1330
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: and then we go swiftly onto the train and it's

1331
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: all very urban. It looks like it looks like a

1332
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 3: zero S X Men movie. It evokes that exact thing.

1333
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 3: It's letting you know where you are, it's it's placing

1334
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 3: you in the mindset of that. And that continues throughout

1335
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: this episode, not just thematically but also like literally, as

1336
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 3: we'll get into.

1337
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: Back at the can Household, Kamala tells her family that

1338
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: she has superpowers.

1339
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: She is the super hero.

1340
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: The family reaction is very proud and very positive, which

1341
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: is wonderful, although and fairly so, and understandably so, Uniba

1342
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,520
Speaker 2: and Usuf are worried about the danger inherent.

1343
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: In a superhero life.

1344
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: Nakia calls Kamala, learns about the destruction of the show

1345
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: k and that Bruno is missing. She rushes upstairs trying

1346
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: to call Bruno. She's in a panic, but then Munia

1347
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: enters and Rosie prediction comes true.

1348
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: Her mom made her a suit. Oh it's so great,

1349
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: take a victory lap night.

1350
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 3: We're just this is our most predictive series in one project.

1351
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 3: And the thing I love about this is they made

1352
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 3: the suit so narratively intertwined with the show and what

1353
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: was important about the show and what worked about the

1354
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: show an intergenerational story about family acceptance. It also does

1355
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 3: something that contradicts one of my worst but also I

1356
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 3: understand most necessary tropes in superhero comics. For a long time,

1357
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,480
Speaker 3: I felt like, over this one hundred year history of superheroes,

1358
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: so much of what the heroes and the people that

1359
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: we look up to do is predicated on lying. They

1360
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: have to lie about their secret identity, They have to

1361
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: put their family. Spider Man, how many times is aren't

1362
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 3: May in the hospital because of him in his secret identity?

1363
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: You know, Batman, even Clark Kent Superman's had that problem

1364
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 3: at times. Like but what I love about this is

1365
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: that contradicts this and in a way that it's not

1366
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 3: only oh, my family are know about it, but they're

1367
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: proud of me, and they're actually co conspirators. And her

1368
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: mumble made her this gorgeous costume, classic superhiotrope as well.

1369
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: This costume looks too legit.

1370
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 2: My neighbor is a great seems stressed, but like this

1371
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: is the other thing, a stark level costume. Not to keep,

1372
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: not to not to bring it back to the X

1373
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 2: Men as we're going to do multiple We're.

1374
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: Going to bring.

1375
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 2: Acceptance, acceptance and community is that's the key to an

1376
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: X Men mutant story, and that's what this whole show

1377
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: and then and in particular this episode is about, is

1378
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: we are co conspirators because we're a community.

1379
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 3: I totally agree. And also something that I think they

1380
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: did really cheekily here that I'd love to know if

1381
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: it was purposeful as well, because I feel like this

1382
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 3: whole episode they basically got to write an X Men's story,

1383
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 3: which is really fun. But they also the whole show

1384
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 3: is about found family. But that's not just family. Who

1385
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: isn't your family. It's about like finding your family again,

1386
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: which I think is really cheeky because found family is

1387
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: the heart of why we all love the X Men

1388
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 3: so much. So there's just so much good stuff here.

1389
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: I love that the costume now includes the red Dagger scarf,

1390
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 3: you know that kind of hint about the connection between

1391
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 3: the Red Dagger and the Clandestine and a collaboration in

1392
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 3: their future, which we'll see more of later this episode

1393
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: I needed. I love predictions, but this if Manieba after

1394
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 3: them showing she's a brilliant seems to just showing her

1395
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: punky roots and all that. If she hadn't made that costume,

1396
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: I would have been actually pissed. Usually I'm like, my

1397
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 3: predictions are wrong, I don't care, but this one meant

1398
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 3: a lot and the moment is so well live it.

1399
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,879
Speaker 3: The actress who plays Maniever is so spectacular and obviously

1400
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 3: imman Bellani is just so wonderful. So they just that

1401
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 3: delivered and the costume is stunning. Jamie mckelvey's brilliant costume

1402
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 3: design just brought to life on screen.

1403
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

1404
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: Bruno and Comrade arrive at the mosque. Naki's like, what

1405
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 2: are you doing here, and they're like, mosques are suppose

1406
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: he place as a refuge And then one of the

1407
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: funniest lines of the entire show, this is a mosque

1408
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: in America very much? Do you don't understand that this

1409
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: will not be respected as a place of refuge. Nakia

1410
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: then suggests that they head to the high school because

1411
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: it's Saturday, no one's gonna be there.

1412
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: Damage Control and Agent.

1413
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: Diva enter the mosque and they're looking for that high

1414
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: level threat that is Comrade Shakob Dollah stands up for

1415
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: his flock ably, but of course Diva and her goons

1416
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: are gonna search anyway. The chic while that's going on,

1417
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: is already escorting Bruno and Comrade out the back door

1418
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 2: to an alley where Kamala finds him.

1419
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: No time for catchups, however, I just.

1420
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 3: Want to say really important moment there, which is where

1421
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: we get another X Men moment where she Gabdullah says,

1422
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 3: you know, just because he's being peaceful, he's he's meeting

1423
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 3: them as friends. He offers them cookies. Agent Diva once

1424
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: again doesn't take off her shoes, disrespectful, racist bitch like

1425
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 3: she is just the worst. But he still comes to

1426
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: her with cookies. He comes to her with friendship. And

1427
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: you know, the kids want to know why, and he says,

1428
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 3: just because they make you their enemy, it doesn't mean

1429
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: you have to make them yours. That's your Charles Xavier moment,

1430
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 3: right that just because they hate and fear us doesn't

1431
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: mean we shouldn't protect them, doesn't mean, we shouldn't come

1432
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 3: with peace.

1433
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: And that was when I realized.

1434
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is this is textures.

1435
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: They really are.

1436
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: This is text going for it.

1437
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: And it is early X.

1438
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: Men too, because I will one thing that I think

1439
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: in the mid two thousands to now that X Men

1440
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 2: stories have done really well is is radicalized in a

1441
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: way that felt earned. We can get in later when

1442
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: we talk about the X Men.

1443
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: But at a certain point.

1444
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: When you've been engaging with the Charles Xavier philosophy for

1445
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: that long and all you were met and all you

1446
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: are met with is jen literal genocide like twenty million

1447
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 2: dead on Genosha, constant genocide, you have to ask, at

1448
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: what point is it enough? We're not there yet, but

1449
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: it's uh. I love what Shakob Dilla said there, and

1450
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: thank you for bringing that up.

1451
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 1: Okay.

1452
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: Kamala finds Bruno and Camraan in the alley and they

1453
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: all get away just before the sirens find them. Kamala

1454
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: calls Kareem. It's like, listen, I have a friend. He

1455
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: is a clandestine I'm sorry about that. I know you

1456
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 2: don't like them, but we got to I have to

1457
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: get him out of here. And he's like, Okay, I

1458
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: know someone who can get him out, get him to

1459
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 2: the harbor at midnight. Very mysterious, but hello, Kareem, he's

1460
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: bought some secret connections. We need to know more about this.

1461
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: Our friends then break into the school where they meet Nokia,

1462
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: who's definitely pissed because Kamala didn't tell her about the

1463
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 2: powers and the bangle and stuff. Kamala apologizes, but there's

1464
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 2: no time to apologize because damage.

1465
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: Control is outside. Pause here. I think, damage control, how.

1466
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: Are they following him? How did how are they one

1467
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: step behind camera all the time. I think they've developed,

1468
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: as the Sentinels in the comics, they have this technology.

1469
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: They have developed somehow a way to target onto a

1470
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: power signature and to follow it.

1471
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: It's obviously at very early.

1472
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: Days, it's not super refined, but they've figured out a

1473
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: way to do it.

1474
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 3: I agree, it's essentially in the MCU world right. There

1475
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: is only so much fantastical stuff, and we're getting a

1476
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: lot more into it. But I definitely think you could

1477
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,440
Speaker 3: do something like power signatures, heat signatures. There's a radioactivity

1478
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 3: because the waves of power. It's not genetic mutation yet,

1479
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 3: that's not what they're sensing. But they are sensing powered stuff.

1480
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 3: And I was I just want to say, like when yeah,

1481
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 3: the high choosing the high school, that is another X

1482
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: Men moment, you X school and you know that is

1483
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: something where as we'll see that there is no way

1484
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 3: that it cannot evoke, especially the X Men comics, but

1485
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 3: especially those Zeros X Men movies where the d O

1486
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 3: d C are coming through these halls. So you've got

1487
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: these military people in these school halls. It feels like

1488
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 3: an X Men movie. They they know what they're doing

1489
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 3: and there's a great moment where as.

1490
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: The even the way they're geared up, well we'll get

1491
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 2: to this, but like even the way they're geared up,

1492
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, this is X two X Men United exactly, exactly.

1493
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 3: Totally they have They have a moment that comes up

1494
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 3: like just in one minute, which we would which is

1495
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: just so throwaway, is like they what are they using

1496
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 3: to prepare for this fight? Right in the high school

1497
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: and they choose softballs, and the X Men playing softball

1498
01:18:59,200 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 3: is like one.

1499
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: Of the beloved t's an absolutely touchdown.

1500
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 3: Technically they in the Clemont stuff, you know, it's baseball,

1501
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 3: and throughout comics it kind of has changed between the two.

1502
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: But you know that that was when I was like, oh, okay,

1503
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: they know no. I was like, they're not doing this.

1504
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 3: You're literally using softballs in your part, Like this is

1505
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 3: a thing that you're doing, and you know that you're

1506
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 3: essentially letting these kids, Bruno, Nokia, you know, Cameron soon

1507
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: to be joined by Kamala's brother. You're letting them have

1508
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: the X Men moment, and I just love that.

1509
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: Kamala tries to get Bruno and Nakia to leave, but

1510
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: before they even talk about that, Zoe shows up. She's like,

1511
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: I was in the theater of filming tiktoks because of

1512
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: the lighting. Babe, get a ring, light ring.

1513
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: They're very, very cheap.

1514
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: She wants to be a part of this big fight

1515
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: mission and you know what, why not?

1516
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: Sure?

1517
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: Actually she has an important role to play. Everyone is

1518
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: staying put, including Kamala's brother Amir shows up, and so

1519
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 2: it's time for the big plan. And here it is

1520
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: distract damage control so comrade can get the safety. Meanwhile,

1521
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: Zoe will leverage her social media file to put out

1522
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 2: a call to action to the community to get eyes

1523
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: here so people can see what's happening, so damage control

1524
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: can't just go like full like kill the mutants or

1525
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: capture the mutants so they can well capture the powered people.

1526
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: We'll just call it an individual and enhanced individuals so

1527
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: that they can study them. By the way, you know,

1528
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: just want to mention love the.

1529
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: Use of the.

1530
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: The Circular Star Wars and New Hope Stun ray.

1531
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: That's what.

1532
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: You know, established in nineteen seventy seven. This is what

1533
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: the stun looks like. It's that little hollow, smoke ring

1534
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: circle that goes out and hits people. Okay, outside Divers

1535
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: on the phone with Agent Cleary, Damage Control is ready

1536
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 2: for a siege.

1537
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: They're outside the school.

1538
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: They're getting ready to charge in, and Cleary is like,

1539
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: are you fucking crazy? Even yeah, you're gonna tack kids

1540
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 2: in a school. Don't do this, like stand down absolutely

1541
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: right now. I want to hear you say it. And

1542
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: Dever's like, yep, standing, yeah, you got it, hangs up

1543
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: and goes Nope, call additional units.

1544
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: We're going in.

1545
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 2: Uh now our heroes for our friends. Their plan works.

1546
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: There's only a few hiccups.

1547
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

1548
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: One hiccup is Kamala and Comrade almost kiss, and then Bruno's.

1549
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 3: In the classic The X Mans.

1550
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: Trigle, gotta have that love. Trigle love love a love

1551
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 1: triangle between enhanced the individuals. Uh uh.

1552
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: And then the other little wrinkle is Comrade figures out

1553
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: that his mom is dead and that uh and that

1554
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: Kamala has been hiding this from him. And then naturally,

1555
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: because he learns this, he's already not in control of

1556
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: his powers, but then he just takes all the safeguards

1557
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: off and we it's kind of cool because we get

1558
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: to see what Commrad could really do. He pulls all

1559
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: the lockers down on the damage.

1560
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: Control goons, but and then.

1561
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: He steps out of the high school doors and faces

1562
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: down damage control. This is Magneto at the police station,

1563
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: is the first, That's what it is.

1564
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 3: And also he has his this is his Magneo moment,

1565
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 3: you know, and Zoe.

1566
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: Has Zoe has gone.

1567
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 3: He's gone, right, but like, and Zoe's called all these

1568
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 3: people via her social media and they're all outside watching

1569
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 3: very Spider Man two on the train. Right. The public

1570
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 3: is here, The public is in support, but for Cameron,

1571
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 3: it's too heartbreaking and and it's very interesting because they

1572
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 3: get to have Kamala and Cameron get to have this.

1573
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: Eric and Charles moment, it is very Eric.

1574
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Where is that?

1575
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: Kamala realizes that what Cameron needs she cannot give him.

1576
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 3: But what she can do is give him a chance

1577
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 3: to leave. This is not the right choice. Don't become

1578
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 3: this danger, don't become the thing that they want you

1579
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 3: to be. And if you can't do that, just go

1580
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: and I'll let you go. And I was like, wow,

1581
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 3: it's Charles and Eric, baby, it.

1582
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: Is in miniature is Charles and Eric. Uh?

1583
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: So Cam faces down damage troll, Kamala uh protects him.

1584
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: This is all.

1585
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 2: Witnessed by the crowds, who Zoe called Kamalavin like is able.

1586
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: She has just been practicing enough, working at it enough,

1587
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: has hit that emotional level into and intellectual level and

1588
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: physical level where she's she unlocks like the final level

1589
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: of her powers and we can see everything she can do.

1590
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: She's got the two in big in hand.

1591
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: She's punching Comvi's across the fucking She's giant, She's giant manning.

1592
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: She's like bullets are bouncing off her.

1593
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: She's catching the hum vy that that Comraon accidentally through

1594
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: at like the entire community.

1595
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: She saves all their lives. And then, as you said,

1596
01:23:59,520 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: they have that.

1597
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: At Eric and Charles moment, she puts this like shield

1598
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 2: of light around them and then they have it out.

1599
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: They have that talk and and she is like fine,

1600
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: punches a hole in the ground as like just crawl

1601
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: through there, escape to the harbor.

1602
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 4: Go.

1603
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Damage Control tries to arrest Kamala, but the entire neighborhood

1604
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: stands in between them and just crazy Dear. They deer

1605
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: est her, and then Kamala escapes. Cleary calls Dever and

1606
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: he is fucking heated. He relieves her of command. The

1607
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: question is, well, let's let's finish this.

1608
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: There's no glow. He relieves her a command.

1609
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,919
Speaker 2: Later, all of Jersey City is buzzing about the historic

1610
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: events and they all got to witness it. And and

1611
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: not only that, but they have their very own superheroes

1612
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: protecting they are. And as Spider Man does Manhattan, as

1613
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: Daredevil does else kitchen.

1614
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: This is so great.

1615
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: They got their own superhero. Kamala in her room, posing

1616
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: in her suit as one would naturally do if one

1617
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 2: was a superhero. She talks to her dad and they

1618
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 2: talk about just life and her journey, and he says,

1619
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 2: you know what Kamala means. It means kind of means

1620
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: Marvel sort of, you're like our miss Marvel and the

1621
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: name is coined.

1622
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful moment.

1623
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 3: Love that.

1624
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Cam makes it to Karachi where Kareem gives him

1625
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: a little head nod and takes him in. And then

1626
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 2: we fast forward. One week later, Brunio and Knakia pull

1627
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: up in com Run's whip, his sports car, which I

1628
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: have to say, who's paying the insurance?

1629
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions about that. Can you just

1630
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: keep doing?

1631
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: Can you just keep driving this car? I understand did

1632
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 2: he sign over the title and everything? Anyway, I'm not

1633
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: gonna worry about it. Bruno has big news. He has

1634
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: been studying Kamala's biological makeup and also her powers, and

1635
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: he says.

1636
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: You know what, your geets are a little different.

1637
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: It's almost like you've undergone a mutation. Burning man. The

1638
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: fact that they threw that in there, it almost felt

1639
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 2: too much about it.

1640
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, they want to.

1641
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 3: They had to do it because the truth they had

1642
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,919
Speaker 3: to tell you. You've heard, We've heard the term mutation

1643
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 3: in the MCU before and.

1644
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: You're like, ooh, but this one.

1645
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 3: They were like X men. They were like, right, now

1646
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 3: the plan will we see it for see? Who knows?

1647
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 3: But the plan right now, she is a mutant. This

1648
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 3: is X Men. She is an X Men style muntant.

1649
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 3: And you that is how powerful that theme is that

1650
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: you can put that there and everyone's like, oh shit,

1651
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 3: she's an x Like, this is X Men, the X

1652
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 3: Men in the MCU and you started it.

1653
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: Here as old King Mike on Instagram DMed me, uh,

1654
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: he dm me, he dm me that the meme picture

1655
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: of the guy who was you know, outside is Hater's

1656
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: funeral and he said how the X Men undressed as

1657
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: they watched the final nail go in the in Humans coffin. Yes,

1658
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: it is true, irony that the character who in the

1659
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: comics was created because Marvel was looking for a way

1660
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: to have X Men that they owned as their own IP.

1661
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: To put in the movies and it was gonna be

1662
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 1: the Inhumans.

1663
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: To now have that character in the in the TV

1664
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: and film property side now be revealed to be a

1665
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: mutant is just crazy, unbelievable shit.

1666
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: Especially because like Kamala, everyone's assumption was she just was

1667
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 3: a mutant because that is how people in the comics

1668
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 3: get their powers. But then it ended up being that

1669
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 3: she got her powers through terogenesis, she made her an inhuman,

1670
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: the most famous in human arguably ever honestly and the

1671
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: most well known because of past successful The comic was

1672
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 3: the very funny thing is it put her in this

1673
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 3: very hilarious group of characters like Spider Man, like Falcon,

1674
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 3: where it's like they were almost a mutant. But then

1675
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 3: it revealed that they all at times they almost made

1676
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 3: the mutes. So this feels very full circle.

1677
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Though I'm still talking to those birds.

1678
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 3: Now, you know, I'm saying in the comics they never

1679
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 3: really they never really bds.

1680
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: Is that a secondary mutation?

1681
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: So I have a I have a theory.

1682
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: Well, let's go let's do the Oh, okay, okay, let's

1683
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 2: go through the stinger and then and then we could

1684
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 2: dive into it. So Stinger, Kamala's in her bedroom when

1685
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: the Bengal starts acting weird, She's suddenly thrown through her

1686
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: closet door, crashing into the closet, and then when she

1687
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: comes out, it's not Kamala, it's Carol Danvers. They have

1688
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 2: switched places in the universe somehow, and we can only

1689
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: assume that Kamala is somewhere where Carol just was what

1690
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: is going on? And then we're done, and then it says, uh,

1691
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: miss Marvel will appear, will be back again in the Marvels. Okay,

1692
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: let's talk about everything. First of all, let's just say

1693
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: we were right.

1694
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were right, we were right.

1695
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: We read about about this story, which yes.

1696
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: Me, okay, I'll explain this thinger. So, so this is

1697
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 3: very funny because I think it is a very interesting

1698
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 3: choice because I think for maybe fifty or sixty percent

1699
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 3: of people who watched it, they were like, oh, maybe

1700
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 3: Kamala shape shifted into Carol. That's a comic book powers

1701
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 3: They were like, maybe that was weird, why did it happen?

1702
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: But if you are a comics reader of a certain age,

1703
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 3: or you have read a lot of old comic books,

1704
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 3: you were immediately like, oh my god, they just Rick

1705
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 3: Jones us Jones. Now, who is Rick Jones mass. Rick

1706
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: Jones is like the Marvel's perennial sidekick. He is very

1707
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: much maligned. He began as a Hulk sidekick. He's been

1708
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 3: a sidekick to Captain America, where he was essentially.

1709
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: Captain America by pretending to be Bucky.

1710
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Let's just say that in the comics. So the origin

1711
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: story of Rick Jones is the reason that Bruce Banner

1712
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 2: is the hok is because Rick Jones is a fucking

1713
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: moron and he wandered into wandered into like a Gamma

1714
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: bomb experiment site and was just like hey, and so

1715
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Bruce Banner had run out and like tackle him into

1716
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 2: like a ditch so he wouldn't get it radiated. And

1717
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: that's how Bruce Bayner got I radiated.

1718
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: And at some point.

1719
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 3: Someone was like, oh, yeah, we should like make him

1720
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,879
Speaker 3: like a superhero. He's gonna from this team, the Team Brigade.

1721
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna be an accessible kid hero and

1722
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 3: and kind of throughout comics he's been. He's been in

1723
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 3: that role for many many characters beginning he's.

1724
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: A bomb and he was a rock star.

1725
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's always just a really generic dude. That's

1726
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: like the funniest thing. And it's like he is just

1727
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 3: a perennial that guy in London. We would call him

1728
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 3: a side man. Yeah, it's like so it's like it's

1729
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 3: really funny. But the reason he is relevant here is

1730
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 3: that in the original Captain Marvel comics, Marvel Marvel was

1731
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: given the Naga Bands which we were right. We did

1732
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 3: predict that the Negga bands may be the Bangles, maybe

1733
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 3: a representation of them. Remember we saw the bangle first

1734
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 3: come off a blue skinned arm, which implies they were Cree.

1735
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: Captain Marvel was given the Nagga bands. When he and

1736
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: Rick Jones wore the Negga bands, they could switch places. Yes,

1737
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Rick Jones essentially became Captain Marvel's Earth alter ego, and

1738
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 3: when he tapped the Negga bands, Captain Marvel would take

1739
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 3: his place. Now, whenever one of them was not on Earth,

1740
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 3: the other one was stuck Nega bands in the negative zone.

1741
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 3: It is very interesting to then see that here because

1742
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 3: that is essentially what we just saw happen to Kamala.

1743
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 3: The big question is, as we have briefly mentioned before

1744
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 3: in Marvel, we have not met the negative zone. The

1745
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 3: negative zone is an important Fantastic four location. There are

1746
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: a lot of connections that could be made. Yeah, what

1747
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 3: we have met is the quantum realm, and there is

1748
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 3: a version, a later version of the bands that are

1749
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 3: the quantum bands. So which one is it gonna be?

1750
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 3: That's kind of the big question. But that's that's the

1751
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 3: Rick jonesiness of it all and that is all.

1752
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: So let let me add it well before we go there,

1753
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 2: let me add another wrinkle to this, another X Men

1754
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 2: style wrinkle in the comics UH Rogue, famous X Men.

1755
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: Who's whose power is that she touches someone and then

1756
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: she takes their memories And if she touches.

1757
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: A powered she touches a music power, she steals.

1758
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 2: Their powers for a time, and for a time because

1759
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: she had come into contact with Carol Danvers, Captain Marvel, UH,

1760
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:51,520
Speaker 2: Captain Marvel's psyche became embedded in Rogue and would occasionally

1761
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 2: come out at different times and it would be Carol Danvers,

1762
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 2: where am I?

1763
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 1: What?

1764
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 3: What?

1765
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Body? Man?

1766
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 3: What?

1767
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Was?

1768
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Are they?

1769
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: Are they not just Rick joinsing Kamala? But are they

1770
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 2: roguing Kamala?

1771
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 3: Are they roguing?

1772
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: Are they roguing Kamala? And Captain Marvel.

1773
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to work out, like Saul just put Freaky Friday,

1774
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 3: So I'm basically saying like I'm trying to work out

1775
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 3: what the purpose of this choice is. It definitely seems

1776
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 3: like it's setting up the Marvels, right. Carol has to

1777
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 3: find where this young girl went missing or get back

1778
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 3: to where she was, so she enlists Monica, and obviously

1779
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to get over that beef that Monica

1780
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 3: understandably has with her for like constantly just breezing on Earth.

1781
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,959
Speaker 3: But what I think is really interesting is we definitely

1782
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 3: know one thing. Carol was off Earth and nobody knew

1783
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 3: where she was. That is a recurring talking point in

1784
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 3: this season where people like, where's Captain Marvel? Why does

1785
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 3: nobody know? We assumed she would just being her usual

1786
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 3: off in the universe, leaving everyone by themselvesself, But obviously

1787
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 3: she was trapped in this place, and in some way

1788
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 3: it's connected to the band, or the band called Carol

1789
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 3: back because of her connection to the Cree. It is unbelievable.

1790
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 3: I've always ever since they did introduce Carol into the MCU,

1791
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 3: I've wanted them to do the rogue stuff. I hope

1792
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 3: that if it happens, that is another addition of rogue

1793
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 3: coming in. Maybe they need rogue to separate the two

1794
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 3: of them or something. But seeing as we only have

1795
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: one bangle, I think the Marvels is going to continue

1796
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 3: our art to fact trend and we're going to have

1797
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 3: to see Carol seeking out that other bangle to kind

1798
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 3: of get control of this. Now what I really want

1799
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 3: to know because this could be very fun. I have

1800
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, this I'm hoping whatever the Marvels is

1801
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 3: is a little bit of a recontextualization of Captain Marvel

1802
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 3: in the way they did with Thor and with Doctor Strange.

1803
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 3: Because I loved this end with Brie Larsen. There was

1804
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,799
Speaker 3: so much more humor in it than Carol's been allowed

1805
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 3: to have before, and it was very kind of wacky,

1806
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 3: and her costume was badass. So I would, yeah, I'd

1807
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 3: be very happy to see where this is going to go.

1808
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 3: And I really want to know if Caroly and Kamala

1809
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 3: will be able to communicate because Rick James Jones and

1810
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 3: Captain Marvel they can communicate when one of them is

1811
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 3: in the negative zone. So it will be really fun

1812
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 3: to see if that's something they bring in. And also

1813
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 3: another thing, this is kind of more serious narrative, but

1814
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 3: like I wonder if because now Caroly and Kamala are

1815
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 3: so connected, I wonder if they'll follow the comic book

1816
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 3: ark that they took, where Kamala comes to that realization

1817
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 3: that Carol is not necessarily the hero on a pedestal.

1818
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: That she and it's different. Yeah, there's a different. I mean, listen,

1819
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Carol is Carol. Carol in the comics has taken the

1820
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 2: side that I would prefer her not to take. I

1821
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 2: can come multiple multiple times across the history of the

1822
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: Marvel she's on the wrong side of both civil wars.

1823
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: Like I love her, but she she she's a cop.

1824
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: She's just she's a space cop. She's a space cop.

1825
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 2: I don't want to see who she votes for. Let's

1826
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 2: just put it that way with Carol, who again I love.

1827
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 2: Let's talk about you know what we've talked so many

1828
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: times about how how are they going to bring the

1829
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 2: X Men?

1830
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: How are they going to do it?

1831
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: First of all, let's just say that what this shows us,

1832
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 2: and what WandaVision showed us as well, is that mutants

1833
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 2: are here. Whatever however they do it, they've already laid.

1834
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: The groundwork for mutants are already here.

1835
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 2: Now, what we didn't know and what we said in

1836
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 2: the past was super important track to be laid to

1837
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: eventually introduce these mutants is we need to get to

1838
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 2: a place where powered people are hated and feared or else.

1839
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,440
Speaker 2: Why even have the X Men? They're just like superheroes,

1840
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 2: Like everyone we've we're getting there now. Ye yeah, we're

1841
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 2: the way that Deaver acts the way they exactly department, which,

1842
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 2: by the way, is hilarious because Department of Damage Control

1843
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: is just like the fucking Keystone Cops and the car exactly.

1844
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 3: So this is this is the thing I'm really interested in.

1845
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 3: So I think that two routes that Diva could go.

1846
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 3: I think that we will either see her essentially go

1847
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 3: to Sword and steal some kind of technology from DODC

1848
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 3: and take it there and create what the sentinels are

1849
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 3: because we saw the big size mechs, we saw something

1850
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 3: like that, So I feel like that could happen, or

1851
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 3: a really interesting route, which is another incredibly important thing

1852
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 3: to have in an x Men story. I wonder if

1853
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 3: she doesn't necessarily continue her route as a agent, but

1854
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: she becomes the x Men hate the pat that enhanced

1855
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: individual hating politician. That's such a key part of the

1856
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 3: x Men law, and I could definitely see her running

1857
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 3: on a platform. It's very easy to stoke mass violence

1858
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 3: and mass fear and mass confusion when you have a

1859
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 3: huge political platform. So I think that could be another

1860
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: route where we go on this escalated version and then

1861
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 3: once she is in power, she can take over DODC

1862
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 3: or she can create it. Even by the way stream version.

1863
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 2: What a great platform for Armor Wars for roady O

1864
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 2: to be like, they're using my friend's technology to hunt

1865
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 2: people down.

1866
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: That's what they're using it for. I have to stop this. Uh,

1867
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: it's awesome, that's great.

1868
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, and so I think the X

1869
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: Men are around somewhere. I agree as we said, as

1870
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 2: we said last episode, like it would be no problem

1871
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 2: for Charles using his powers of Magneto with the abilities

1872
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: he has to just hide the whole school from everybody.

1873
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 3: If Kamala exists as she does and is her only

1874
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 3: interactions with Damage Control have been when she manifests her

1875
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 3: powers in a very public way. There is no reason

1876
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 3: that other people who a mutants might not have been around.

1877
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 3: And it's actually very narratively easy to explain it. You

1878
01:38:55,680 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 3: have these big government backed superheroes. You don't need to

1879
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 3: go out there, you don't need to put yourself in

1880
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 3: that risk. Captain America exists, the Avengers exist. That is gone.

1881
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 3: Now there is a new or there is a new

1882
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 3: generation of heroes. There is a potential that a more

1883
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 3: responsible adult in that situation at Charles or maybe even

1884
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 3: a magneto on the other side of things or a storm.

1885
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 3: You know, that's one of them. She's one of the

1886
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 3: most perennially popular characters and has been the head teacher.

1887
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 3: I think that we could see a world where they're

1888
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 3: gonna come out of that hiding to help these young people.

1889
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: Well, I think that the cool thing is that we've

1890
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 2: gotten to a place where it is actually the anti powered,

1891
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 2: the anti enhanced individual kind of like feeling makes a

1892
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 2: lot of sense because the previous people who had powers,

1893
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 2: everybody knew who they were.

1894
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: There were no.

1895
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 2: Spider Man is the first character who had a secret identity.

1896
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: Nobody knew who he was.

1897
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 2: But crucially, Tony Stark co signed for this person. So

1898
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 2: it seemed like, you know, you could see how the

1899
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: general public Okay, well Tony's that's just fine.

1900
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay.

1901
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 2: But but Deaver nailed it. This is what happens when

1902
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: the wrong people get powers, and and that is the

1903
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 2: dynamic that's going to be at play now that mutants

1904
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 2: are starting to come to the Foe. Now, now we

1905
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 2: mentioned that clearly Damage Control has some kind of technology

1906
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 2: where they can track powers, they can hone in you know,

1907
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: in a very very primitive way on a power signature

1908
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 2: comrades in this case, and follow that person. They're going

1909
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,839
Speaker 2: to hone that I think right, And I already mentioned

1910
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 2: my crazy theory that that Arnhem Sola's like algorithm is

1911
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 2: going to be a part of this process.

1912
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: That's actually really small. I think it makes sense.

1913
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 2: We know what they knew about doctor Strom way back

1914
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 2: in the day.

1915
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 3: Look, you know what the history of real world has

1916
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 3: told us. Yeah, any government does not have a problem

1917
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 3: with using Nazi technology or Nazi a film's science. That

1918
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 3: has been the history of.

1919
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: Many whoever has done the best tech. It's exactly care

1920
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: I like who you are.

1921
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 3: I do not believe that d O DC wouldn't have

1922
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 3: Shield tech because they care about er that is that

1923
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 3: that is gonna be what I think.

1924
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 2: I am like what we've again, we've been like, how

1925
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: do they do it?

1926
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: How do they do it?

1927
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: I think that there's a world where as I mentioned

1928
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 2: last episode, they have this technology where they can track powers.

1929
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 2: They had that Hydra algorithm that Shield had that allowed

1930
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 2: them to kind of like crunch numbers and figure out

1931
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 2: who's going to be a threat. They combine those two things.

1932
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: They turn on the computer one day and they just

1933
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 2: see like some mansion in upstate New York is just

1934
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 2: all lit up with power. What and so Diver or

1935
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 2: whoever happens to be in control of this program at

1936
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 2: that point in time, just says, you know what, send

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Speaker 2: in the upgraded drone and that gives us, gives us

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Speaker 2: our entree to the X Men. It's just like a

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Speaker 2: a classic the Sentinels are at the mansion fight between

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Speaker 2: the X Men and the Sentinels.

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Speaker 3: You know, we know how much X Men the animated

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Speaker 3: series is impacting this at this point with the theme

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Speaker 3: with the show coming out, you know, maybe they'll have

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Speaker 3: them at the mall classic style, you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: the classic fight where you find the Jubilee, you find

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Speaker 3: the more rare at kids. I feel like there is

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Speaker 3: a lot of scope. We have been thinking about this

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Speaker 3: a lot because we love the X Men shock spoiler

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Speaker 3: a lot, but like, I'm so impressed by how casually

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Speaker 3: and easily they made it seem absolutely possible.

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Speaker 2: Now Here's my question is, are have Charles and have

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Speaker 2: Charles and Magneto split yet in this in where we

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Speaker 2: are post end game, post blit, all this stuff is

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Speaker 2: for like, are they still together or did they split? Because,

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Speaker 2: as someone on Twitter replied to me, you could very

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Speaker 2: easily see Magneto saying, well, look, look who they accept

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Speaker 2: who has powers? These normal people, they accept them, but

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Speaker 2: if we were to come out, they would hate us.

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Speaker 2: So we should just the power people are here and

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Speaker 2: they're taking the spot that we should have as Homo superior.

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Speaker 2: We should just reveal ourselves. And I could see that being,

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Speaker 2: if not the break, the kind of philosophical argument that

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Speaker 2: starts the break, whether or not they've actually split up.

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Speaker 3: So I still think this is the biggest question because

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Speaker 3: we are, you know, so far away from World War

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Speaker 3: two now, but Magneto's origin is absolutely vital. So I

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Speaker 3: will be very interested to see in my because of

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Speaker 3: the stories I enjoy. I think I love to see

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Speaker 3: a contemporary Charles and Eric, but we are in the

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Speaker 3: realm of multi versus old timelines, et cetera. Time travel.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there is the way that you can still have that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're just slightly younger, Maybe they have a you know,

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Speaker 3: we've seen Wolverine. He's a character, never really agent.

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Speaker 2: Eric is a they can make Eric a grandchild of

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Speaker 2: another way they could do it too. But I do

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Speaker 2: think listen, if the again the Zola theory is all mine,

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Speaker 2: it's no, this is it's crackpot.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, like you could.

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Speaker 2: See if if they maintain Eric having that lineage Jewish

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Speaker 2: superhero survivor of the Holocaust or children child of survivors,

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Speaker 2: where he'd like, go, look.

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Speaker 1: All their all their technology is.

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Speaker 2: Nazi anyway, Their main security international security apparatus was like

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent Nazis. Their Captain America was powered up

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Speaker 2: and was supported by active.

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Speaker 1: Nazis work for active Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know, but still, yeah, I think that's we need

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Speaker 2: to do something about this, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So then I think the funniest thing is it is

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Speaker 3: like very wild to be talking about this where next

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Speaker 3: week we will both be in San Diego Comic Con

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Speaker 3: and we will buy two weeks probably have an idea

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Speaker 3: of where this is all going, because I feel like

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Speaker 3: bringing in the term mutation playing the X Men team,

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Speaker 3: We're probably going to get at least a title reveal

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Speaker 3: or a release date for an X Men project at

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Speaker 3: San Diego, maybe casting for the Fantastic Four that seems

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Speaker 3: a little bit closer. So I'm very interested to see

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Speaker 3: how much more that will lay out, because I think

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Speaker 3: you make a really great point, and like, look, we

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Speaker 3: are both Marvel stands, Like we remember the world the

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Speaker 3: four Marvel studios, and we remember the desolate times of

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Speaker 3: the nineties and the like Captain America movies and stuff.

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Speaker 3: As much as I love them, it'sah it, we are big.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of love for these franchises. But

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Speaker 3: there's probably never been a more pivotal moment since they

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Speaker 3: chose to make Iron Man and they cast Robert Downey Jr.

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Speaker 3: And they ended the movie with him saying I am

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Speaker 3: iron Man, and they took that near bankruptcy inducing deal

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Speaker 3: to put that movie up. There's probably never been an

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Speaker 3: as pivotal moment since then as there is now of

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Speaker 3: them getting this right, because if you don't get the

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Speaker 3: X Men and or the Fantastic Four right, you're probably

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Speaker 3: gonna that the road of the MCU is going to change.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like it's I'm so excited, and for me,

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Speaker 3: this is a great way to start with a young Also,

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Speaker 3: this is very very in the weeds, but I do

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Speaker 3: think it's very cute and I think it's intentional. In

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Speaker 3: the comics Cininically thanks to Chris Claremont's X Memoran Our

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Speaker 3: favor X Memoran, Jean Gray aka Marvel Girl, is Charles

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Speaker 3: Xavier's first student. I love that in the MCU there

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Speaker 3: is a world where Miss Marvel is his first student.

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Speaker 3: I think there are parallels here that they're trying to

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Speaker 3: make that would be really lovely and would hark back

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Speaker 3: to the past of the X Men while also doing

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Speaker 3: something new.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait for the X Men to finally make

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Speaker 2: their appearance. I And to your point, it's obviously like

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Speaker 2: a huge, huge, huge step for the for Marvel to

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Speaker 2: introduce the first family, the Fantastic Four and of course

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Speaker 2: the X Men, who's been the flagship heroes for you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe not the last ten years, but certainly the previous

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Speaker 2: thirty five to forty, so it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: huge deal. I'm weirdly more worried about the Fantastic Four intro,

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Speaker 2: of course, though that's a class movie, because I think

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Speaker 2: because I think that they've really like every To your point,

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Speaker 2: this entire the finale of Miss Marvel was like an

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Speaker 2: X Men story, and if and how hard they went

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Speaker 2: into the Outsider no thiss, the the creating your own community,

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Speaker 2: the like just embracing who you are despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that like society is going to shun you if they

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Speaker 2: do that, that like, if they commit to it, that

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Speaker 2: this hard. When they introduce the X Men, it's all

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Speaker 2: gonna be fine. I can't wait to see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for us.

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Speaker 2: It's a big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining

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Speaker 2: us on X ray Vision.

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Speaker 3: things in your diary for cool uh events for the

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Speaker 3: Godzilla signing, So I'm gonna be signing Godzilla Versus Batcher

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Speaker 3: with Mark Martinez, who did an brilliant cover for that

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Speaker 3: there on the release day, which is going to be Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: the third of August, and then on on Saturday, the

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Speaker 3: sixth of August, we will be at Pulp Fiction, which

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Speaker 3: is my local comic shop in Long Beach, doing a

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Speaker 3: massive Godzilla Day with a ton of cool artists. Oliver

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Speaker 3: will be there, the amazing artist. We will have a

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Speaker 3: It's just going to be really fun and that will

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Speaker 3: be really cool. And next week I'll be doing a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff at San Diego, so you will be

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Speaker 3: able to see there live vicariously through me. There, Jason,

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Speaker 3: you will also be there.

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Speaker 1: Next week's episode.

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Speaker 2: and we're going to do this really we've decided this

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