Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, culture
Speaker 1: is just calling and it's a little bit of a tradition.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a yearly tradition. It's a
Speaker 1: bit of a yearly tradition. As I think, what's space,
Speaker 1: Teva said, I'm sorry, I did not understand. I believe
Speaker 1: it was Teva who said tradition, tradition. Oh is this
Speaker 1: from Fiddler? Fiddler? You need to know more Jewish culture?
Speaker 1: I do, I do, and especially after I mean, Jews
Speaker 1: have been trending. The word Jews has been trending all
Speaker 1: week on Twitter. Isn't that? Our guest is already shaking
Speaker 1: her head, being like, why are you going in this direct?
Speaker 1: Because Nick Cannon popped off and said all that crazy stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to say, celebrities have been losing their minds.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they two as human beings, are going
Speaker 1: through the same things that we all are. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to kill the Karen inside your brain, your head.
Speaker 1: Have you killed your Karen? Oh? No, she is. She
Speaker 1: is going around shutting down, shutting down everything, shutting down everything.
Speaker 1: You know what gags me that that sort of Kate
Speaker 1: Gosslin haircut. We talked about this. Yeah, but okay, so
Speaker 1: I have something to reveal. So I am working on
Speaker 1: a new show. It's called hot Dog. It's going to
Speaker 1: be on HBO, and you talk about this. I actually
Speaker 1: I asked if I could talk about it and they
Speaker 1: confirmed that I could. God bless, how much can you reveal?
Speaker 1: Because there's so much good There's so much good stuff
Speaker 1: to reveal. And I'll talk about it on the app
Speaker 1: because it's part of my summer of count Yes, spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to just say up top that I
Speaker 1: had my hairstylists on the show. His name is Dean Hi. Dean.
Speaker 1: He did the original American Idol Season one hairstyles. So
Speaker 1: when he talked for everyone, for all of them, so
Speaker 1: including like Tamira, including Tamira, she okay, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: like iconic, Justine Justin, he like they were like they
Speaker 1: basically were like Nicki. So this is this is where
Speaker 1: it all connects back. Nicki McKibbin had the original Karen haircut. Wow,
Speaker 1: and we can confirm because you can't really thought it
Speaker 1: was Kake Goslin. No, it's Nicki McKibbin I mean famously really,
Speaker 1: as our guest actutely put it in the sketch um
Speaker 1: the Mother's Day Sketch and SNL years ago, cascading waterfall
Speaker 1: on the front and knives in the bat that is
Speaker 1: pioneered by Nick McKibbin. And this gentleman Dean who is
Speaker 1: now doing your who does my hair? And I said
Speaker 1: to him as a joke, I was like, so did
Speaker 1: you give Kelly Clarkson her iconic chunky blonde highlights? And
Speaker 1: he was like, actually yes, And I was like what
Speaker 1: he was like, but that was a mistake, And I
Speaker 1: was like, it was not a mistake. It was, in
Speaker 1: fact one of the most iconic thing that's happened in
Speaker 1: her history. It's like the event to penicill and it
Speaker 1: was by accident, but it was it changed the world,
Speaker 1: I mean. And then I told that to my mom
Speaker 1: and my mom goes, well, he started a trend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It was like, did it really started trying? Did women
Speaker 1: start getting those blonde, streaking, shrinking highlights? Our guest is
Speaker 1: shi taking her head. Yes, I think we can give
Speaker 1: Dan the credit end, but for to originate the chunky
Speaker 1: highlight and the Karen haircut and the Karen haircut and
Speaker 1: not for nothing but maintain the integrity of Justin Guarini's curls.
Speaker 1: My god. He also was responsible really for like the
Speaker 1: Ryan Seacrest hair moment, which was the flat iron of
Speaker 1: it all. Think about this iconic person. Was was you
Speaker 1: have askedine if you worked on season two as well?
Speaker 1: Because he didn't work on season two, and I got
Speaker 1: I got more intel about that about Clay and Kimberly law.
Speaker 1: You know that he was responsible for Kimberly lacks glow up.
Speaker 1: I got all the t a lot of which I
Speaker 1: cannot say on here, of course, because it's too go
Speaker 1: o O D D D D D D good. Um.
Speaker 1: I was I was going to a Trenise rabbit hole
Speaker 1: the other night, and she had she had some. I
Speaker 1: was voting for Trenise. I was voting for Trinee several weeks.
Speaker 1: I remember I was very crest fallen when she was eliminated. Crestfallen,
Speaker 1: Crest fallen, and wow, Dean, what an impact, an icon
Speaker 1: and you've got an iconic beard. Um, but listen, um,
Speaker 1: speaking of iconic, we have the third of our series here. Well,
Speaker 1: this is her fourth time on the fourth time on
Speaker 1: and I guess, like what like six or seventh time
Speaker 1: on the podcast, six or seven time on the podcast
Speaker 1: she was okay. So I think she planted the seed
Speaker 1: in the way that we on this podcast have talked
Speaker 1: about Ellen. This actually is huge. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this because look, if you go back all the
Speaker 1: way to Lost Culture, is this third episode which had
Speaker 1: our guest fourth I believe, oh yeah, fourth episode because
Speaker 1: it was an Andresen Daved Mazzoni, then our guests. I think,
Speaker 1: so something like that. Anyway, very early on we literally
Speaker 1: have an episode called Ellen and the Ellen, and we
Speaker 1: were speaking out even then it was me who was
Speaker 1: saying I had a bad feeling about Allen, and you're
Speaker 1: so right. I was dead on. You were a thought
Speaker 1: leader in that way. I mean, here's the deal about
Speaker 1: the Ellen of it all. And after we say this, well,
Speaker 1: we can talk about it for this for a second
Speaker 1: and then we have to bring him a guest. But
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I feel that this news cycle about
Speaker 1: Ellen's show, how being a toxic behavior, being a toxic
Speaker 1: workplace reported on by busfeed, reported on by busfeed. If
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're curious, yes, we are drinking
Speaker 1: on this episode. We're having a brunch moment. I'm having
Speaker 1: a vodka watermelon cayenne drink bone and our guest are
Speaker 1: drinking watermelon vodkas. You're so you you're drinking watermelon bourbon drink. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm drinking so you already see its effect. I'm drinking
Speaker 1: a watermelon bourbon. They're drinking watermelon vodka. And so let's
Speaker 1: understand that as as you listen. But I um never
Speaker 1: had a good feeling about Ellen from the beginning because
Speaker 1: of the way she handled the Matthew Fox alleged, well,
Speaker 1: that punching a woman in the stomach incident, and then
Speaker 1: and so now a public transit worker, public transit worker,
Speaker 1: you know, alleged. I just didn't love the way that
Speaker 1: it came off on. The thing that I'm reacting to
Speaker 1: about this Ellen moment is it's being very pawned off
Speaker 1: on her executive producers. And here's the deal. It's like
Speaker 1: Ellen didn't get to be Ellen by just clocking in,
Speaker 1: coming to work and doing Ellen and going home. Ellen,
Speaker 1: if your name is on that show, you are responsible
Speaker 1: for the workplace environment. And you've got more than ten
Speaker 1: people saying that it's toxic and not appropriate and so
Speaker 1: and just in terms of the culture of like bullying there,
Speaker 1: so she is responsible for that. And also things trickled
Speaker 1: down from the top, so it's not this thing that
Speaker 1: just the executive producers on her show have to deal with.
Speaker 1: It's something that she has to deal with. It's really
Speaker 1: disturbing and really disappointing, and it feels like God, I mean,
Speaker 1: the comment that's most chilling to me is, um, one
Speaker 1: black employee I think a writer or someone uh walked
Speaker 1: in and then producer was like, oh, you have boxed
Speaker 1: breads too. We'll we'll get you confused with the other one.
Speaker 1: Come on like that. It's like that point of ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, it's not even like sophisticated thought, not
Speaker 1: that any racist thought is even sophisticated, but it's like
Speaker 1: just it's just so crazy that people feel comfortable to
Speaker 1: make comments like that, and it is her responsibility because
Speaker 1: it is her face and brand. And I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: what's bothering me it always has bothered me, is the
Speaker 1: dichotomy and what appears on screen and what goes on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Because everyone knows that works in this industry,
Speaker 1: that she has a reputation for not being nice and
Speaker 1: so for her brand to be I'm the nicest woman
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. It just it's it's it's lies and it's
Speaker 1: it's just the sort of stuff that I hate about
Speaker 1: the industry, which is that no one is actually projecting reality.
Speaker 1: Sure except our guests, except our guests. You know, the
Speaker 1: only real person in Hollywood is our is our guests,
Speaker 1: And um, we should say that the Ellen discourse, which
Speaker 1: we started on this podcast eventually led out into Patty
Speaker 1: Harrison's feud with Ellen. That she's accounted, but it all
Speaker 1: started here. Before you start to give Patty Harrison credit
Speaker 1: because talk about toxic mean that one and toxic fultree
Speaker 1: fultry and someone who has contributed to the rise of
Speaker 1: Patty even our guests. She was like shaking her head,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck I say? I don't think our
Speaker 1: guests had anything to do with Patty And for you that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Patty, if you're listening, you owe our guests.
Speaker 1: This is so career you do. I think that Bowen
Speaker 1: is saying that because our guests is, you know, iconically
Speaker 1: and famously a writer on Shrill, a real mover and shaker.
Speaker 1: And not only that, I mean. In addition to that,
Speaker 1: she is a writer at the Saturday Night Live, which
Speaker 1: I think you know you know more about how she
Speaker 1: moves and shakes over there. Yes, she's um. She's very
Speaker 1: much leader, thought leader, thought leader at SNL. Um has
Speaker 1: influence over the Thursday rewrite table lunch. Wow, it's just
Speaker 1: sort of press with them on the scale for the
Speaker 1: kind of really how to eat. It's very important, very important.
Speaker 1: This is why I want to I really I feel
Speaker 1: like I have like a proximity to the show because
Speaker 1: you guys are on it. But I also like don't
Speaker 1: understand like what you guys are eating for lunch, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there's always more I could know.
Speaker 1: Very important. This is the split Sider article that we're
Speaker 1: missing food like bad. Alright, So before we start to
Speaker 1: absolutely give too much sorry because the wall has already
Speaker 1: been broken, let's just say, um, lots of things uh
Speaker 1: in store in the future for our guests as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's true. Um. So, yes, this is our third installment
Speaker 1: of Summer of kunt We'll get into that in a minute.
Speaker 1: For people who are new to the concept, she's one
Speaker 1: of our best friends for over a decade, well from
Speaker 1: let's just get this straight for me over a decade
Speaker 1: and what about for me? I don't know your life.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the intimate details of your life.
Speaker 1: But what can you say the first time day that
Speaker 1: you met our guests? Yes, I remember, I've told her
Speaker 1: this recently. I was like, I don't remember. What can
Speaker 1: she finish your sense? Okay, so let's bring her into
Speaker 1: the conversation. Everyone, please give a welcome into your ears
Speaker 1: to suit Green. Hi, how are you even? Oh god,
Speaker 1: I'm so good. I'm thinking about lunch now. Sorry to
Speaker 1: be honest. Wait, what is the deal with SNL lunch?
Speaker 1: It's bad, that's a deal. It's that like we don't
Speaker 1: get fed there. It's so funny. Apparently like the it
Speaker 1: has to know. This is what happened with guilt, honey,
Speaker 1: up the guilt started on the guild. Because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm now all guilt. You are what they call it, captain.
Speaker 1: You are the w for shrill as of um three
Speaker 1: days ago. And then that morning I was told, and
Speaker 1: then that evening honey, I'm at the meeting and you
Speaker 1: would rather be at the meeting than not because I
Speaker 1: told you. I was like, you were immediately like, that's
Speaker 1: fucking disgusting. No, I didn't say that's disgusting. I said,
Speaker 1: I said, you already do so much work. You have
Speaker 1: two jobs, you're so you're so busy all the time.
Speaker 1: I just know that like adding another thing to your schedule,
Speaker 1: which is like another duty. I was like, is that
Speaker 1: something you want to do? But you said absolutely, the
Speaker 1: Fight for Justice, Unions, collective war, Writer's Troumbo, Honey Tumbo,
Speaker 1: never forget, Never forget Trumbo, number four, never forgets Trumbo.
Speaker 1: That is not a burden, Okay, that is actually that's
Speaker 1: actually a purpose. Okay, that's duty. Collectivism, collectivism over individualism. Funny,
Speaker 1: actually so funny because I mean, we gotta started off
Speaker 1: talking about the wa all connected. That have you guys
Speaker 1: seen when Chelsea Peretti hosted the w g A West
Speaker 1: like w g A Awards, and she's it's the funniest
Speaker 1: monologue in the world. It's like joke for jokes, so funny.
Speaker 1: It's also like written like to me for me, like
Speaker 1: so that's why I love it. It was, it was
Speaker 1: and probably the smartest kind. She comes out on stage.
Speaker 1: She comes out on stage and it's like a ballroom
Speaker 1: people are like eating eating dinner or whatever. It's like noisy,
Speaker 1: and to get everybody quiet down, she goes lunches here. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just wanted everybody to pay attention. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Writer's room. Absolutely joke, absolutely joke. I love that she's
Speaker 1: so good. She's so good. Boone and I have been
Speaker 1: doing a bit because we're now roommates. Yes, so we
Speaker 1: should just say be transparent. Study and Bowen. As you know,
Speaker 1: Boonen is here in Los Angeles as of the moment,
Speaker 1: and Studio is here as well. There's staying together in
Speaker 1: a gorgeous sort of home and Altadena gorgeous sort of home.
Speaker 1: I say sort of home because it's the home in
Speaker 1: the back. It's a prefab home built in the forties
Speaker 1: by an architect, Gregory Aine. He built a bunch of
Speaker 1: architectural park formats. Are you fucking kidding? You know all
Speaker 1: this our airbnb host Randy. We have to talk about
Speaker 1: Randy soon, but hold on, let's put a pin in
Speaker 1: that Randy is an iconic airbnb host. We have to say, um,
Speaker 1: but yes, Study and I are are. Study and Iron
Speaker 1: have been in each other's cohabitant hating pods. And then
Speaker 1: of course, Matt's in our Grando who wasn't really in
Speaker 1: our pod. It's US two, US three, Jared Booster, and
Speaker 1: then we see Louis for drag race, and Lewis comes
Speaker 1: over for drag racing, and and Lewis is also being
Speaker 1: very being very Greta and Greta. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: it's going to be up to the listeners. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've seen consistently, I've seen between five and six
Speaker 1: people who have only seen us, who have only seen us,
Speaker 1: and all of us in the pot are getting tested weekly.
Speaker 1: I actually get tested every day. Then you get tested
Speaker 1: every day because Matt's in production scandalously, and you know
Speaker 1: it's not we're being as safe as we can, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean everything has risk, right, everything has
Speaker 1: a risk, But I mean we're really saying we're being safe.
Speaker 1: I mean as safe as you can as you can. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, we're it's all that are.
Speaker 1: You gotta communicate to be transparent and and like you know,
Speaker 1: we're moving in too, We're moving into a phase where
Speaker 1: where it's it's it's not absence, it's it's safe sex.
Speaker 1: It's safe sex. It's safe sex. And and you kind
Speaker 1: of and your mental health and you gotta balance it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a balance. But I'm not seeing any old people.
Speaker 1: I'm not not seeing all people. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: And I have to say, if you can, to be
Speaker 1: totally real, I would not see anyone if I felt
Speaker 1: there was risk, and I feel risk. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just just of course, really, the conversation around coronavirus,
Speaker 1: it does start with that, well, and it doesn't end
Speaker 1: with and you know, so you know, so we can
Speaker 1: be but we're really we're really grateful and we're really lucky. Really,
Speaker 1: you know what we should say on a serious on
Speaker 1: a serious note, we are very lucky, the three of us,
Speaker 1: very lucky, very lucky girls. I literally do feel lucky
Speaker 1: to be I'm I'm actually working right now and it
Speaker 1: feels very good to do that. And I will say
Speaker 1: in terms of like the set is run so safely, yea,
Speaker 1: So can I talk about the show a little bits?
Speaker 1: Talk about the show right, because I've been telling you
Speaker 1: guys about it, but I do want to tell everyone
Speaker 1: about it because I'm so excited about it and like,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna love it. And I feel like
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna love. It's a hit. I think it's a hit.
Speaker 1: So it's called hot dog h a U T h
Speaker 1: a U t E hot. Which is it hot or
Speaker 1: is it see? We are not pronouncing it like but
Speaker 1: the references, but the pronunciation is hot. But there's an
Speaker 1: alternative pronunciation, which is you split the difference in its hot.
Speaker 1: It would be it would be see and it's not. No,
Speaker 1: it is see. It's like it's pronounced hot dog yeah,
Speaker 1: spelled dog yeah yeah. But I will say basically what
Speaker 1: it is before we get to off that damn rails
Speaker 1: about the fucking title is it's a dog grooming competition show.
Speaker 1: It's nailed it nailed the picture nailed it. But it's
Speaker 1: dog grooming. And I'm not talking about people that like
Speaker 1: have never No, it's really competitive, like skilled skilled groomers
Speaker 1: from all across the country that come to compete. Three
Speaker 1: competitors compete. They have a first round which is like
Speaker 1: they all get the same dog and they have to
Speaker 1: do like a cut dry wash like basically breed, same breed,
Speaker 1: not the same single dog. No no, no no, they
Speaker 1: all get the same breed of dogs. So for example,
Speaker 1: like three West Easill come in and the job will
Speaker 1: be like y'all have to cut, dry, wash the dog,
Speaker 1: and show us like the breed standard of that dog, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And then the second one is the main challenge, and
Speaker 1: that's like they get to bring a dog of their own,
Speaker 1: choosing whatever dog they want, and they basically style it,
Speaker 1: cut it like color it into a theme. So if
Speaker 1: the theme is like a Hollywood glamour like, the theme
Speaker 1: is like, I'm serious, it's the cutest ever. It's like
Speaker 1: gathering up ready for the Oscars Red carpet. The greed
Speaker 1: standard of Hollywood glan Yeah, and that of course is
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie. But basically that, it's like every episode is
Speaker 1: a different theme, so it's like a toy theme is
Speaker 1: like a disco theme. I love as long as it's
Speaker 1: not Circus. We were talking about the way we hate circus.
Speaker 1: My god, I literally thought to myself yesterday as I
Speaker 1: was like getting out of makeup, I was like, I realized,
Speaker 1: I don't know all the themes, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're doing Circus because we all hate
Speaker 1: Circus Legendary. Ever since the Circus theme on Legendary, we've
Speaker 1: all agreed that like I don't like that aesthetic. It's
Speaker 1: a bad aesthetic. It's a limited there's limited motifs within
Speaker 1: that aesthetic. It's like, okay, you do like a clown
Speaker 1: clown or stripes or top hat. It's also like, you know,
Speaker 1: Brittany did it, now Katie Perry is doing it, and
Speaker 1: it we don't need this topsy turvy kind of like
Speaker 1: big top aesthetic anymore. It's done. We've seen the skirt,
Speaker 1: we've seen the little like baton. We don't need it.
Speaker 1: And also I'm going to put a caveat on that,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't like magicians. I don't like magic.
Speaker 1: We we don't like And I were watching Me Night
Speaker 1: Gospel and that it's that show that I'm Pelican word show,
Speaker 1: but it pulls audio from this this podcast that's like
Speaker 1: about meditation and transcendent old stuff for me past. But
Speaker 1: it's it's great. But the third episode is that he
Speaker 1: talks to a magician and I was like, skip it.
Speaker 1: We're so high. And I was like, I don't like this.
Speaker 1: I don't like magicians. You need to skip it now.
Speaker 1: Study shut it down very quickly, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's something going on. Here. You know, there's also
Speaker 1: like what is funny about like a very successful magician,
Speaker 1: is that like showman trickery kind of like it's not
Speaker 1: art and it's not real magic and it's trickery, which
Speaker 1: I don't like. And then there's that like honytail showman
Speaker 1: vibe which is really gross, and like sleight of hand,
Speaker 1: which is I don't trust personally. Then you have like
Speaker 1: popping off of that base reality, you get like the
Speaker 1: cool magicians, which is like I'm not your standard magician,
Speaker 1: I'm actually a cool magicians. Yeah, and and and then
Speaker 1: and then don't even get me into the subset of
Speaker 1: women who date magicians. I mean, it's it's what it
Speaker 1: really is is it's a representation for me of male
Speaker 1: privilege and the fact that you can be kind of
Speaker 1: the worst type of man in the world, which is
Speaker 1: a magician. And um date David Blaine found dead. David
Speaker 1: found dead. Well, this is the thing because magicians they
Speaker 1: do well. The magician culture has Magician culture is circulating
Speaker 1: yourself with a hot woman. Now it's sort of bled
Speaker 1: into TikTok culture where this the origin of these are
Speaker 1: all cakes is magicians on TikTok, and I called this
Speaker 1: out back in January um with Miss Morendown. She asked me, like,
Speaker 1: what's freaking you out right now? Is like magicians on
Speaker 1: TikTok who will pour water into a glass and then
Speaker 1: take a knife and cut into it and it's a
Speaker 1: chocolate cake. And you're like, how they did they do that?
Speaker 1: But it's this is what it's. It's them distorting reality
Speaker 1: and making you question reality. And also my thing with
Speaker 1: the cakes on the Instagram that they cut over, which
Speaker 1: is where is the frosting? Where if there's not a
Speaker 1: layer of some of them are just fond. It's some
Speaker 1: of them that you cut them open, and it's just
Speaker 1: like Betty Crocker cake. You know, if that's a dry
Speaker 1: just material that's not cake. You need at least one
Speaker 1: layer of frosting in the cutting cake would agree. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it's just it's just like it's just a brownie basic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a banana bread. It's just that cake. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. I have I actually have a little bit
Speaker 1: of tee to spill about the which I forgot to
Speaker 1: say on the last episode, but concerning the circus aesthetic
Speaker 1: with pop stars, get this so at the era of
Speaker 1: time when Brittany released Circus and Pink had Funhouse Out.
Speaker 1: You'll remember this also was the era when Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: released All I Ever Wanted, her album, which had the
Speaker 1: singles my life would suck without you, I do not
Speaker 1: hook up, already Gone, etcetera. Not a good album, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think a great album. You know, she did not
Speaker 1: enjoy that experience. Well, this was her sort of like
Speaker 1: white flag album because she tried to do My December
Speaker 1: and then she came back and she was like, I'll
Speaker 1: be a pop star again. Fine, but one thing she
Speaker 1: did not submit to was that album was supposed to
Speaker 1: be called Masquerade and the front cover was supposed to
Speaker 1: be her like with a little like Phantom of the
Speaker 1: Opera sort of mask on. And she said, too many
Speaker 1: girls are doing this circus thing. So no, but if
Speaker 1: you look at the sort of album art, it's her
Speaker 1: like a black jacket against like a sort of orange. Yes,
Speaker 1: like a circus thing. So they kept the circus color
Speaker 1: store all her story, but she was like, I want
Speaker 1: to be styled normal, and we'll call the album All
Speaker 1: I Ever Wanted. We're not calling him Masquerade. But the
Speaker 1: album was supposed to be called Masquerade, and she was like,
Speaker 1: too many girls are doing the circus thing's too many
Speaker 1: circus girls and we need a pivot. Wait did I
Speaker 1: finish talking about Hot Dog? Well, the I mean, the
Speaker 1: last thing I really have to say about it is
Speaker 1: I'm having the best time, and it's it's me Jess Rhona,
Speaker 1: who is like incredible. She's like the head judge, she's
Speaker 1: like the expert. She has got it really amazing. You
Speaker 1: should all follow her on Instagram if you don't already.
Speaker 1: She's like a celebrity dog groomer. So she grooms like
Speaker 1: Katy Perry's dog, nugget, she grooms like you know, Jane
Speaker 1: Lynch's dog. She grooms like Megan Malali's dog. She's like
Speaker 1: a celebrity dog groomer. And so she really knows what
Speaker 1: the she's talking about. And the other judges Robin Feedy,
Speaker 1: who I fucking love huge, and she loves you s
Speaker 1: I fucking love Robin and her style. Yeah, forget about
Speaker 1: the fashions on this show, forget about it. It's she looks,
Speaker 1: she looks, and she wearing fascinators. I think she's wearing
Speaker 1: some and headpieces, some little small little hat you can
Speaker 1: you can look forward to to at least a couple
Speaker 1: of tiny hats. And she remembered you from when she
Speaker 1: interviewed you for the nightly show. Oh shit, I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. She said that she remembered you from when
Speaker 1: you guys like had coffee and talked about you years
Speaker 1: ago interviewing for the nightly show and like a job
Speaker 1: you didn't get, but she said it wasn't because you
Speaker 1: weren't amazing and she remembers you from that. Wo oh
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, so I remember this was like I
Speaker 1: think after w KML Bell. This was after w KMAL Bell.
Speaker 1: So like I showcase for SNL one summer and then
Speaker 1: the next summer I submitted a packet and I got it,
Speaker 1: and so like there was like that year where I
Speaker 1: was like going out for things all the time. And
Speaker 1: so they did the nightly show. This is why I'm
Speaker 1: a hack and this is why um I'm bad. Um
Speaker 1: they did a nightly show showcame at UCB East and
Speaker 1: this was UM did this yeah, yeah, yeah, to be
Speaker 1: a correspondent. And I was like, okay, bitch, you gotta
Speaker 1: pull out your damn Middle Eastern ass mustache. Jasmine bitch material.
Speaker 1: And you know, I had multiples upon multiples of being
Speaker 1: like salo salom salm, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: absolutely have to get the dance. And before you said
Speaker 1: before you went on, you said I booked this. I said,
Speaker 1: intill I book this, and I said, Mercy larry villemore.
Speaker 1: I am not saying he's he's He's comedy is very
Speaker 1: political and um anyway, so I did like all of
Speaker 1: my like capital P persian um material, and I was like,
Speaker 1: they're going to eat this up and guess what bitch
Speaker 1: they did? But was I heard for the job? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think started out on the second season. I
Speaker 1: think she. I think she. I think she got in
Speaker 1: later on. It was a really great experience on and
Speaker 1: and I think I even went in. I didn't. Did
Speaker 1: I screen test. I can't remember. I can't remember. I've
Speaker 1: I've blocked out most things from my entire life, especially
Speaker 1: what has to do with my career. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like to go back there, but now I am,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of see it in my head.
Speaker 1: We were talking. We went on a hike. We went
Speaker 1: on a socially distanced type with our friend Billy Domino
Speaker 1: the other day. Um, and then you did very naturally. Yes, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I was working. You were working very naturally,
Speaker 1: like college stuff came up and we were just like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, remember that trip and that trip very
Speaker 1: naturally and then Sudi and I I support this move
Speaker 1: and this instinct with Sudi immediately was like I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about the past. And always study is
Speaker 1: so comfortable ending a conversation. I really I love it. Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's because I'm a big compartmentalizer and I
Speaker 1: really need to talk about this in therapy because I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about a lot because like, you know, yesterday,
Speaker 1: who were we talking about. Were we talking about palm
Speaker 1: springs or we're talking about somebody that has to do
Speaker 1: with s n L. I can't remember, and I just
Speaker 1: like kind of like shut down and like didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And I think that I'm like
Speaker 1: such a big compartmentalizer that your world can't collide my
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about like work, which gives me
Speaker 1: the most stress possible. And I also think, you know,
Speaker 1: like working at SNL, you're constantly confronted with the idea
Speaker 1: that you have of that place growing up, the image
Speaker 1: that people have of that place and the people that
Speaker 1: work there, which is like, you know, mostly reverence and
Speaker 1: positivity and like people love the work that comes out
Speaker 1: of there, which is great. But you're constantly like kind
Speaker 1: of grappling with your own experience, and I think that
Speaker 1: that causes me stress. Of course, it's also your job,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And anyone talking about their job,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, it's going to be like
Speaker 1: that's work. And when I'm not at work, I prefer
Speaker 1: not to like get into it because there's complicated things
Speaker 1: about it, you know what else I also think it
Speaker 1: is and I think this is how it is about
Speaker 1: like talking about college too and like being nostalgic for
Speaker 1: that time, which is I constantly have this anxiety of
Speaker 1: like I didn't enjoy that enough, or I didn't absorb
Speaker 1: that enough, or I wish that I had made the
Speaker 1: most out of that experience or done it again, or
Speaker 1: I didn't do it right. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: big thing with the SNL stuff, which is like and
Speaker 1: that person was there and that show was so amazing
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But all I'm thinking about is
Speaker 1: like how stressed I was how stressed I was, or
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to that after party because
Speaker 1: um I was like really bummed out that day, or
Speaker 1: I was exhausted, or like, you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about Skidmore and I all I could think about is
Speaker 1: like the anxieties that I had at that after party,
Speaker 1: or like that I wanted to go home, or like
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, want I didn't hook up with
Speaker 1: that guy that I want to hook up with or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like what is that? Why? Why why do I
Speaker 1: only focus on that? Well, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: answer is into why we focus on it, but I
Speaker 1: actually do think that there is something to be gleaned
Speaker 1: from that, which is I need to just let things
Speaker 1: go more in the moment, like in the moment of
Speaker 1: things understand later there will come a time when I
Speaker 1: wish I had enjoyed this, So why not enjoy it now?
Speaker 1: That's what I try to feel about. Like whenever I
Speaker 1: am feeling anxious or uncomfortable or feel like challenged by something,
Speaker 1: I just try to remind myself in five years, you
Speaker 1: will be laughing about it, or you won't remember it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Either one of those two things.
Speaker 1: You'll either laugh about that thing, or you won't remember
Speaker 1: that thing, or it'll be like a negative experience. But
Speaker 1: that's literally the opposite of what I'm saying, you stupid bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true because sometimes I think, no, no,
Speaker 1: well bone yard stupid and um And honestly, man, what
Speaker 1: you're saying is true because I look back on the
Speaker 1: darkest days of my career when I was shipping water
Speaker 1: thinking about like the Emmy's. So that was that? Would
Speaker 1: you say that was the most challenging thing you've ever
Speaker 1: think that? That was the first week of my none
Speaker 1: of life, but there was the most stressful career situation.
Speaker 1: Why Well, Okay, basically it was the year that um,
Speaker 1: Colin and Chay hosted the Emmys and I will never
Speaker 1: so then that was the year that they had the
Speaker 1: most diverse nominees that the Emmys had ever had, So um,
Speaker 1: I kind of came into that. I wasn't like at
Speaker 1: first hired to write for that Emmy's because I was
Speaker 1: at Shrill. This is the first season to Shrill, And
Speaker 1: then I came back from Shrill and then I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: everybody that I know is we're on the Emmy's let
Speaker 1: me be a dumbass and be like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: guys need me to like come and help. Also, like
Speaker 1: fran Glaspie, my writing partner was like writing on it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I feel like, why aren't I
Speaker 1: going to go hang out with that girl? And I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, it'll be fun. L O L literally
Speaker 1: l O L E L O H. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're there. So because this was like the most diverse
Speaker 1: nominate nominate group of nominees that they had ever had,
Speaker 1: we wrote this like ironic like fun song for Kate
Speaker 1: and Keenan called We Solved It, which was like we
Speaker 1: solved diversity, which was like l O L. Of course
Speaker 1: we didn't, ha ha ha. You know, we went and
Speaker 1: kaepernaked it like we didn't solve it. And also like
Speaker 1: cut to like all of the nominees like all the
Speaker 1: winners being white true, and I was like sitting in
Speaker 1: the writer's room and like I like remember turning to
Speaker 1: sam J and me being like what happens if they're
Speaker 1: all white and her being like, Suti, they are going
Speaker 1: to be all white. This is like how it happens.
Speaker 1: And it was like such a moment of like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like she wasn't fooled for one second. And
Speaker 1: my like dumb liberal pant suit nation asked, was like
Speaker 1: it's happening. She was like, no, bitch, absolutely not. So
Speaker 1: in like truestinal fashion, you know, Lauren was producing the
Speaker 1: Emmys and he wanted like every celebrity under the sun
Speaker 1: to be in this opening number. And I was like, great,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a pre tape, right, and I
Speaker 1: like remember the day, and like Fran was like, no,
Speaker 1: it should be live. And Frans like it should be live,
Speaker 1: and I was I was like, or it could be
Speaker 1: a pre tape because we had like watched these other
Speaker 1: like opening numbers and like like Colbert had done like
Speaker 1: a great opening number that was had La La Land
Speaker 1: been out at that time, Yeah, it could have referenced
Speaker 1: Lalla Land the beginning of that yes, m yeah yeah
Speaker 1: La La Land. What I'm saying like, I'm saying like
Speaker 1: it could have referenced like that number in the beginning. Alright,
Speaker 1: keep going with your stupid story and and and Fran
Speaker 1: was like it should be live, and everybody was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's SNL We're used to it being live. This will
Speaker 1: be like something that we bring you like no, and
Speaker 1: so then cut you like the worst week of my life. Okay.
Speaker 1: So first of all, the stage that they had they
Speaker 1: had these like big screens and it was like all
Speaker 1: of these different like ten like separated LT screens that
Speaker 1: would open in this like cool accordion way and clothes
Speaker 1: and oh my god. The guys who produced um the
Speaker 1: show were these this British production company called Done and
Speaker 1: Dusted who were all like, honey, absolutely, and they like
Speaker 1: produce everything. I think they produced like the Oscars, the Tony's,
Speaker 1: like Dancing at the Stars, like they're like huge, the Oscars,
Speaker 1: the Tonys and everything and dancing with the stop Everything's
Speaker 1: time Banks. We'll talk about that later. So we're talking
Speaker 1: with Jenna Dusty guys about these about like the choreography
Speaker 1: and like what's going to happen, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they won't. They won't be able to make that entrance.
Speaker 1: They won't be able to because see the screens they
Speaker 1: take um about thirty seconds to open and close. And
Speaker 1: we're like okay, and then we're like well, then John
Speaker 1: Legend comes out on the piano and they're like no,
Speaker 1: he can't come out on the piano. Because because of
Speaker 1: the screens. And I was like, okay, so you guys
Speaker 1: coming down from like a thing from the ceiling, well
Speaker 1: that they could do. They could carring Andy Samberg down,
Speaker 1: like you know, hundred feet from the ceiling. He's also
Speaker 1: like hanging out up there and like the tea is
Speaker 1: that we almost cut him and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: don't you dare fucking cut me, because I've been up
Speaker 1: in the rafters of rehearsals plummeting into my death like
Speaker 1: five different times, like don't make all in vain? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It was like basically, are you fucking kidding me? But
Speaker 1: that was like the chaos we were like and then
Speaker 1: maybe we cut Andy and like you know this, the
Speaker 1: British director was kept telling us that we had to
Speaker 1: cut two minutes and he was like, I'm not being funny, girls,
Speaker 1: I'm not being funny. But like anyway, I'm not being funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not being funny. He was like, you need to
Speaker 1: cut two minutes and which means you have which means
Speaker 1: you have to essentially cut major celebrity out of the
Speaker 1: number exactly, and like well, also, the funny thing was
Speaker 1: that like when they were like you need to cut
Speaker 1: two minutes. Fran and I have like you know, sn
Speaker 1: l PTSD and people come up to us all the
Speaker 1: time and say that we have to do it, and
Speaker 1: we nod our heads and we say okay, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna but it's hell. I mean it's hell. But we
Speaker 1: were like okay, yeah, and the director took that as like,
Speaker 1: these girls aren't listening to me, and because we were
Speaker 1: so calm, and we were like okay, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not being funny, and we were like no,
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't yelling at us. He was being
Speaker 1: like he was at work and he was trying to
Speaker 1: direct was like the day before the Emmies, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he was like he didn't understand
Speaker 1: like that we had understood it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm not being funny, and we
Speaker 1: were like yeah, no, we're going to do it. And
Speaker 1: they just like didn't clock that, like you were used
Speaker 1: to that level of pressure because they felt like these
Speaker 1: are two young girls, like they might not understand the
Speaker 1: gravity of what I'm saying. God is gender, I mean,
Speaker 1: the girls is I'm not being funny girls, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, but whatever, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: So ultimately, what was what was it like rehearsing that
Speaker 1: number with all those celebrities? We couldn't make entrances and
Speaker 1: exits on this stage and we had like a million
Speaker 1: celebrities that we're honestly like so fucking down, Like Kristen
Speaker 1: Bell was there, Ricky Martin was there, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: was really I think Rue Rue was there, everybody. I
Speaker 1: think kind of John Legend, everybody kind of like absorbed,
Speaker 1: especially like the morning of the Emmys, kind of absorbed
Speaker 1: what is happening And we're like all pros and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make this work. But it was just like
Speaker 1: one of those things that wasn't working until the very end,
Speaker 1: and we really almost cut it the whole, the whole number,
Speaker 1: the whole number, which would have felt awful, which would
Speaker 1: have felt horrible. And so the reason why I was
Speaker 1: like kind of the worst week in my life was
Speaker 1: that every single morning I was waking up and having
Speaker 1: to go to these rehearsals, that everything was changing at
Speaker 1: the SNL. You know, we changed things all the time,
Speaker 1: and our crew can handle it, and our wardrobe department
Speaker 1: and everybody is just like, yep, this is how things work.
Speaker 1: But you know, at a major award show, everything is
Speaker 1: locked and loaded way wait wait wait wait before and
Speaker 1: we were working kind of SNL style at a place
Speaker 1: that wasn't I didn't know that that was going to
Speaker 1: be the deal. The flexibility wasn't built in, and the
Speaker 1: cruise and the departments were not people that you were
Speaker 1: familiar with. Yeah, and they all did an incredible job,
Speaker 1: but it was all like a lot of like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't what are you talking about. It's two days
Speaker 1: before the fucking Emmy's We can't fucking change that. Um.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of changes, a lot of changes,
Speaker 1: a lot of changes and um yeah, like the night
Speaker 1: before we had done a run through and um it
Speaker 1: was so it just like didn't work. It just wasn't working.
Speaker 1: It just like wasn't working as a piece, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't funny or wasn't didn't really probably never funny, but
Speaker 1: the entrances and the exits weren't working. The timing wasn't working.
Speaker 1: Certain people's parts weren't um um quite fleshed out. Or
Speaker 1: it was felt sweaty, That's what I would say. It
Speaker 1: felt sweaty. And when you say sweaty to find that
Speaker 1: for the for the late people, it's overwrought and makes
Speaker 1: you nervous because it doesn't quite click, and the audience
Speaker 1: is nervous for you and the performers because they know
Speaker 1: it's which is the number one thing you don't want
Speaker 1: just for the audience at home or in the audience
Speaker 1: watching to feel nervous while they're watching something happen. Yeah, totally. Um.
Speaker 1: And so the night before it was like do we
Speaker 1: cut it? Do we not cut it? They really didn't
Speaker 1: want to cut it because they wanted Chay and Jost
Speaker 1: to come out and be able to do their monologue
Speaker 1: with the audience already warmed up, and also it was
Speaker 1: hosted by Changes. But something that they were really into
Speaker 1: was like showcasing Keenan and Kate, who were both nominated
Speaker 1: and like they were starting off the show, and I
Speaker 1: think like in theory, it was a really great idea
Speaker 1: to do this musical number at the top, and um,
Speaker 1: Jos took the script from me, which had like a
Speaker 1: million rewrites on it, and went through it and cut
Speaker 1: things down and move things and you know, cut beats
Speaker 1: and everything. And I really was sitting there talking to him,
Speaker 1: being like, you can't change that. You can't change that
Speaker 1: because that person has rehearsed this number and tomorrow is
Speaker 1: the Emmy's And he was like, if this piece is
Speaker 1: going to survive, this is what needs to be happened. This,
Speaker 1: this is what needs to be happening. This is what
Speaker 1: needs to happen. And I was freaking out, and the
Speaker 1: are incredible head of Snel costumes. He sat down and
Speaker 1: he could see how nervous I was, and he turned
Speaker 1: to me and he said, like, you know about all
Speaker 1: these like celebrities and amazing performers that were about to perform,
Speaker 1: and he said to me, they're all pros and they're
Speaker 1: not going to funk it up on TV. It's their
Speaker 1: job to do it, Tom said Tom, And not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but you got talking about pros, like anyone who even
Speaker 1: volunteers to do the number is going to be someone
Speaker 1: like Kristen Bell, you know what I mean, who has
Speaker 1: like a theater background and is a professional and is
Speaker 1: ultimately a machine or Titus Burgess. Right, And then it
Speaker 1: was like and it was a fucking miracle because we
Speaker 1: did all these changes. Then the morning of everybody comes
Speaker 1: for the rehearsal, and they think that they're just going
Speaker 1: to be doing what they did, you know two days before.
Speaker 1: Almost everything is different, almost everything, and everybody was like okay, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: got it. And then we ran through it. It went great.
Speaker 1: It suddenly worked, like you're looking at it and you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, and then this person comes in
Speaker 1: and then this point is made, and then Andy comes
Speaker 1: in and it all just like something's happening. Something's happening.
Speaker 1: The dancer has come out. It all worked and like everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the producers, everybody was like looking
Speaker 1: at us like it worked. It worked, And in that
Speaker 1: moment I realized that like, oh my god, I might
Speaker 1: like actually have if this didn't I had the thought
Speaker 1: of like if this hadn't worked, I might like be
Speaker 1: fired like period, Like this was like such a like
Speaker 1: big undertaking that really wasn't working. My ass was truly
Speaker 1: truly saved. Um one of each dancers is such a
Speaker 1: funny the one of each answer and then then everyone
Speaker 1: comes out and it's like all is representing pereographed by
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore. God bless Mandy Moore, who was the Mandy
Speaker 1: Moore the Mandy Moore, who absolutely absolutely took every single
Speaker 1: change and was like, Okay, um, what's your I mean,
Speaker 1: we're sort of talking about it now, but like you
Speaker 1: look back on it now and you're like, Okay, a
Speaker 1: very challenging week of my life and career, but I've
Speaker 1: learned something like what's like, I do have this healthy
Speaker 1: distance from it now two years later. I think that
Speaker 1: my takeaway from it is that that was the most
Speaker 1: pressure that I ever felt, and it was okay in
Speaker 1: the end, and I survived, yes, but like shooting water,
Speaker 1: panic attacks, not sleeping like the whole sheb Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I got so wasted that night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would imagine absolutely, and I was thank god it
Speaker 1: was like the first number and they did it, and
Speaker 1: then afterwards I was just like I was shaking. And
Speaker 1: then you're also nominated as a as probably a writer,
Speaker 1: right and you lose? Oh yeah, I already knew. Did
Speaker 1: you know who was going to win the awards? Do
Speaker 1: you know that? I think those are all sealed. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody knows except for basically than the presenters
Speaker 1: because they have they hire like independent Okay, but you
Speaker 1: know what, even with these shows I never I never
Speaker 1: know like exactly how real they are. Sure, Like with
Speaker 1: the Neil Patrick Harrison at all, speaking of magicians, um
Speaker 1: it's twenty minutes ago, but um yeah, that seems like
Speaker 1: I was very confused. But and see that's the thing
Speaker 1: with magicians is that I'm like, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: real and we're talking about it like four years later. Wait,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? The Neil Patrick Harrison when held
Speaker 1: to the Oscars and he was like, in that briefcase
Speaker 1: over there on stage left, like that's where like the
Speaker 1: best picture envelope is, and I'll make it. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what the funk it was, but I was just like,
Speaker 1: I like, what is this for? Well? I always just wonder,
Speaker 1: like because the Emmys, Oscar's, Tony's Grammys, etcetera. They are
Speaker 1: all ultimately television shows, which you probably never understand more
Speaker 1: than when you actually write for it and are producing
Speaker 1: it and I like behind the scenes. So for me,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not that I questioned the validity of
Speaker 1: who wins are like who gets nominated or what happens
Speaker 1: on the show, but I also know that like it
Speaker 1: does have to adapt and be exciting for people to
Speaker 1: like it at home and watch it. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's ever any sort of stuff going on with
Speaker 1: like who wins to make it more exciting. But then
Speaker 1: I realized that can't possibly be true, because sometimes you
Speaker 1: do see someone win, like and this is not knocking her,
Speaker 1: but like Julia Garner from Ozark wins and Emmy and
Speaker 1: everyone's like who, But if you watch the show, you
Speaker 1: would know who that was. That everybody from Godless one yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody had seen Yeah, Like, it's not every year is
Speaker 1: a year where it's like everyone watched um Friends and
Speaker 1: the whole cast of Friends one, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's never like or like there's a narrative, like
Speaker 1: you know, it was the most diverse nominations that we've
Speaker 1: ever had, and that resulted in the most diverse winners ever.
Speaker 1: Like it's not always linear like that, and that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like, oh, it must be them going by
Speaker 1: the book and like the person who gets the most
Speaker 1: votes wins. But in terms of like you're talking about,
Speaker 1: like the producibility of the award shows, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like with that year at the means, it's like it
Speaker 1: was the most diverse nominees, ever, and then it ironically
Speaker 1: ended up being the whitest wins. It's ironic, but it's
Speaker 1: also that's this is what Sam was saying, which is
Speaker 1: like the voting body is the voting body, and it's
Speaker 1: still Hollywood and like kind of what I realized was
Speaker 1: that like, in that moment, even though the whole we
Speaker 1: solved it thing was like very like ironic and like
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek and like we weren't being serious about
Speaker 1: that at all. But what I realized, what I learned
Speaker 1: in that moment um was that like probably all of
Speaker 1: the non white people in that audience, we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was nominated, but I'm not gonna win. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and even if they thought they were gonna win, Like
Speaker 1: I remember that being a particularly being a year where
Speaker 1: it was like there were a lot of deserving people
Speaker 1: of color that were nominated and that did not win.
Speaker 1: Like and that's what's frustrating again and again, is like
Speaker 1: and I say again and again, but the facts of
Speaker 1: the matter is like in recent years there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing people of color that have won
Speaker 1: and deservedly, so like, for example, like I was so
Speaker 1: happy when Tandy Newton won because I thought that she
Speaker 1: deserved it for the first year, and then she won
Speaker 1: for the second year, and like, you know, Uzo Aduba
Speaker 1: has two Emmys, and like we saw Viola Davis get
Speaker 1: up there and win, and like there's so many. The
Speaker 1: only person that I feel like has constantly gotten the
Speaker 1: shaft year in and year out is Sandra Like what
Speaker 1: the funk is going on the weekend? And well, keen
Speaker 1: In not winning that year? I mean, and what was
Speaker 1: it was? Henry Winkler, right, which is like the voting body.
Speaker 1: It's like old white guys being like, we're not dead yet.
Speaker 1: We love this, you know, television legend, but also worry
Speaker 1: he And that's the thing about like, you know, Claire
Speaker 1: floy Is, It's like, yes, she won because she deserved
Speaker 1: to win, but there were also women in that category
Speaker 1: who also deserved to win. So it's but it's the
Speaker 1: reason why you have Kamensky method making it pass first,
Speaker 1: that is, the Globes is like a whole different thing
Speaker 1: because it's like six people, you know, they're from different countries.
Speaker 1: It's literally sucks up. It's literally it's literally like older
Speaker 1: white male foreign d method even makes it to the Emmys.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say that the for every
Speaker 1: last year, for example, for every kind of multiple awards
Speaker 1: um rapup of like let's say when they yes, which
Speaker 1: was such a moment last year. I have and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm not knocking the winds that you have
Speaker 1: a fleaback where it's like all these like white people,
Speaker 1: it's like Phoebean women women white women, Um, which is
Speaker 1: I mean like fleaback like deserved a lot of those awards,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's there's never I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't ever envision a year maybe at any awards show
Speaker 1: where it's like, um, I think it's not balanced out
Speaker 1: by like something like but as people are voting, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be good, you know what I mean. No, igree,
Speaker 1: I think I think it does defend. I think it
Speaker 1: does depend on the voting body. And I think that
Speaker 1: people that are artistic, if in a diverse voting body,
Speaker 1: which is where it lives and dies, will vote for
Speaker 1: the best art. Like I think that like if we
Speaker 1: can get like yeah, the diverse voting, which I think
Speaker 1: they do try to do every year. I mean you
Speaker 1: see like the Academy announces like the new members that
Speaker 1: they're inviting and it is always like majority people of
Speaker 1: color as of the past few years. Like it seems
Speaker 1: like they really want to make this not a thing
Speaker 1: like where every year they're humiliated because yet again they
Speaker 1: can't they can't do this correctly. But I think that
Speaker 1: if MICHAELA. Coel was not was eligible this year, I
Speaker 1: may destroy You would get tons of nominations and it
Speaker 1: would do just as well as Fleabeg did last year
Speaker 1: in the Comedy in the Comedy series. And it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with really like Capital R Race period.
Speaker 1: It has to do with the fact that she released
Speaker 1: the art of the comedic art that said a new
Speaker 1: thing that was performed, written for a new perspective and
Speaker 1: was the best and had people talking when no one
Speaker 1: was in the beginnings too, is that it's like bottom up,
Speaker 1: you know what you mean, and it's like it all
Speaker 1: starts from like the ground, which is like if if
Speaker 1: the independent films in the ways that people get to
Speaker 1: that Emmy nominated, OSCAR nominated level are not also are
Speaker 1: are if if the gates to those things are closed
Speaker 1: for people you know who aren't, then the studios have
Speaker 1: to say we're gonna put for your consideration, time, effort,
Speaker 1: and money into these projects as well that are that
Speaker 1: it's not just are really commercially successful all white, Downton
Speaker 1: Abbey asked ship, you know what I mean, like and
Speaker 1: and Downton Abbey was great, But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it has to be equal. And that's where
Speaker 1: the campaign gets weird for me, Like I wish it
Speaker 1: wasn't even a thing. I wish it wasn't a political thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, if we're gonna have an Awards show and
Speaker 1: it be authentic, then like, let's just do this completely
Speaker 1: even and out. But I also understand the needs of
Speaker 1: campaign and like why people do it. But in terms
Speaker 1: of voting bodies, like I think this is not totally
Speaker 1: along but with Grammys. With the Grammys, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Beyonce lost to beck annidel Um, Kendrick Lamar lost to
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. It's like there's these there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like these voting bodies are going to be these
Speaker 1: hegemonic things that live on to spite all these social changes. Well,
Speaker 1: there's still institutions, and I think it's important to do
Speaker 1: the work to dismantle these institutions. But I also feel
Speaker 1: like we need to place less value in these structures
Speaker 1: of power, and that to me feels like, Honey, the
Speaker 1: one the solution. I will fix everything, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And yet you also like care and like want to
Speaker 1: win if you get nominated, won't will be bad if
Speaker 1: you don't get if I don't get nominated, care for
Speaker 1: what He's gonna say that he doesn't care, but he's
Speaker 1: going to have about three days where he likes rebound
Speaker 1: from you. Definitely will because you guys get nominated every year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's also maybe it's comforting to know that, like, well,
Speaker 1: we know almost know what the result is, like you'll
Speaker 1: get nominated and probably lose because they can't get over
Speaker 1: John Oliver, Honey, I am happy to dress up and
Speaker 1: eat a Wolfgang Puck little pudding. If after what are
Speaker 1: they going to do this year? We don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't generally have it, but they know they're going to
Speaker 1: have it. And Jimmy Kimmel is like the host, and
Speaker 1: they're going to try to not do it over zoom
Speaker 1: like they're going to do something with it. That's what
Speaker 1: Robin was saying. Robin was saying that she thought they
Speaker 1: were going to do something. Um, we'll see. Okay, we
Speaker 1: have to let's see a quick break and we'll come back. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. We have to have to talk about summer
Speaker 1: of kunt This is ku three nt year. Many will
Speaker 1: say it's a lost summer, and perhaps it is, but
Speaker 1: we are student and I still have a studio. They've
Speaker 1: been talking, we still have mission driven things to work
Speaker 1: towards the summer. I think we were talking. Let me over,
Speaker 1: do you We have movies we want to watch, and
Speaker 1: we have things we want to develop. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing we've been watching is the Disney Magic. Oh, Disney
Speaker 1: Fairytale Weddings gonna be the most amazing that I have
Speaker 1: basedly been enjoying. Disney Weddings with these two over while
Speaker 1: they've been here. Well, you have to say Disney Fairytale
Speaker 1: Weddings because it is a fairy tale. Disney Fairytale Weddings
Speaker 1: on Hulu. Plus it made the list and it's what
Speaker 1: we really have been enjoying together. And now it really
Speaker 1: is what I'll put on when I'm when I'm in
Speaker 1: my excuse me, in your trailer and when I no,
Speaker 1: not my trailer and when I'm here at home. That's
Speaker 1: why I put it every narrative I love, which is
Speaker 1: theme park wedding. And then there's a special series that
Speaker 1: is Holiday, so then you get the Christmas element and
Speaker 1: I'm I mean it's so you ultimately are rooting for
Speaker 1: them every step of the way, are you? No? Not
Speaker 1: at absolutely not. They always have a hot, non white
Speaker 1: couple that was clearly cast that are like smoke shows.
Speaker 1: And then the other couple and this is you big witnies,
Speaker 1: dud lipless whites with no lips, always something going on
Speaker 1: with the teeth, and also like you and this is
Speaker 1: you know. I don't mean to be disparaging of this,
Speaker 1: but it's part of like the nastiness of Disney, which
Speaker 1: is that middle class people put all of their money
Speaker 1: into Do you think if they're on the show, they're
Speaker 1: paying for it? Think? I think that they applied and
Speaker 1: they probably got it, and Disney was like, will pay
Speaker 1: for your whole thing because you're on the show free
Speaker 1: though I really don't. None of these couples seemed to
Speaker 1: me like couples that could afford this, but they But
Speaker 1: that is the demographic of the people that are that
Speaker 1: are doing Disney wedding. You think that the demographic of
Speaker 1: people that go out and get married at Disney are
Speaker 1: people who would save up and pay well beyond their
Speaker 1: means to get married in Disney. And that's what they
Speaker 1: do for the vacations. That's what they're I mean, they're
Speaker 1: saving up for the American Yeah, it really is. Disney
Speaker 1: Weddings is the American to get married at two a
Speaker 1: m in front of Cinderella's castle is the American dream.
Speaker 1: Especially guest Olivia Newton John and Frizzy Barrel curls because
Speaker 1: your hair and makeup was done in nine PM. It's
Speaker 1: the new distortion. It's the new prism through which the
Speaker 1: American dream is refracted. What's been your favorite episode of
Speaker 1: Disney Very Tail Wedding. I liked the first one, I believe,
Speaker 1: where it was the interracial couple, the Asian man and
Speaker 1: the that was and it was revealed that it was
Speaker 1: his dream to get married in Disney. So and she
Speaker 1: was so supportive the entire time and got very emotional
Speaker 1: about like how much she loves him, and it's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful story. They loved Hockey. I also love it when
Speaker 1: like a couple's entire love and like foundation of their
Speaker 1: lives is based on like hockey or like you know,
Speaker 1: that's like a big thing or Disney in and of itself.
Speaker 1: But that made them more likable to me, which is
Speaker 1: that there. It wasn't their singular and Disney was not.
Speaker 1: They're only in No, they also liked hockey. And then
Speaker 1: they brought the Stanley Cup to the reception. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were freaking. It's like if they if I would have,
Speaker 1: if they had, if they had an oscar, if they
Speaker 1: had like Betty Davis's oscar on your wedding cake, I
Speaker 1: would not if let me say this right now and
Speaker 1: be very Julia Roberts's acar, No shut up. If I
Speaker 1: let me be very clear, If I ran out to
Speaker 1: the reception at my wedding and everyone that I knew
Speaker 1: and love was standing around Julia Roberts's oscar waiting for
Speaker 1: my reaction, I would be mortified. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: You would like? I My jaw wouldn't drop, and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this is my dream. At
Speaker 1: least laugh I would ass off because but ultimately I
Speaker 1: would laugh my off because I am such a joke.
Speaker 1: If you all thought, you know, what Matt would really
Speaker 1: love on the biggest day of his life to run
Speaker 1: out and see Julia Roberts's Oscar rented sitting in the
Speaker 1: middle of the I would be literally, what prop do
Speaker 1: each of you guys want back to the future. Um,
Speaker 1: I want um come back to me, come back to me.
Speaker 1: I want to get married at Barbra Streisen's house. And
Speaker 1: that's not a problem. You should get married in the
Speaker 1: mall downstairs, which is real, I've heard, I've had it confirmed. No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's known real. It's what what do you
Speaker 1: do when you own them all? Like so basically if
Speaker 1: you have a ma all underneath stuff. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: a mall per se, it's a it's actually very Disney
Speaker 1: because it's very turn of the century, kind of like, um,
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds. It's a Victorian kind of walk about.
Speaker 1: And there's a place for her dolls, and there's a
Speaker 1: place for her costumes that she's kept a lot of
Speaker 1: period costumes. There's an old fashioned andy store. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like, um, a theme park more than it is
Speaker 1: like the Americana. Well okay, so but is it staffed.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it has to be. It's been staffed and
Speaker 1: it's been maintained. There's an entire plate about like the
Speaker 1: guy who Um, I forgot what it's called, but Michael
Speaker 1: Ury was in it, and he is that that that's
Speaker 1: the play that is based on are you saying things
Speaker 1: that are wrong? I'm always saying things that are wrong.
Speaker 1: But but I guess my question is like does she
Speaker 1: call and advance like to it? That's what I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it is. And it's not like they're just sitting there
Speaker 1: the whole day. No, they can't possibly be. Remember in UM,
Speaker 1: I believe it was very rich where he went down
Speaker 1: and there was a McDonald's and it was like a
Speaker 1: huge roller coaster and it was like he owned it all.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so this is like a bustling McDonald's,
Speaker 1: and where to believe that they're all working at a
Speaker 1: McDonald home. By the way, I want McDonald's so bad
Speaker 1: right now? Oh my god, how bad do you have
Speaker 1: McDonald's now that I said it? Zero point zero zero?
Speaker 1: Usually I want McDonald's so bad I've fucking going on.
Speaker 1: I want it so bad I haven't eaten it. Every
Speaker 1: time I eat a McNugget, I'm like, this is just chicken. Paste.
Speaker 1: But that's because you're eating the McNuggets, bitch. I've always
Speaker 1: been the McNugget burgers. You need eat that, the most
Speaker 1: amazing burgers, chicken fingers all the way, the most amazing burger.
Speaker 1: If you're a chicken finger bitch, pop off in the
Speaker 1: comment I have a chicken finger absolute bitch, But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I can enjoy the most amazing burger
Speaker 1: from McDonald Although I love chicken fingers, but I judge
Speaker 1: other people that love chicken fingers. Yeah, study uses chicken
Speaker 1: fingers as senect to key for like trashiness of course classes.
Speaker 1: Um well, I don't like picky eaters. No, But she'll
Speaker 1: go like, she'll go like, I can't marry. We were
Speaker 1: talking about Indian matchmaking, I think, and somehow I'd let
Speaker 1: into like the types of partners we want, and she
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I can't date. I can't marry,
Speaker 1: Like no chicken finger eating dude. It was it was
Speaker 1: that I was like going, I like met, like went
Speaker 1: on a socially distant state with a guy who was like,
Speaker 1: I love Budweiser. I was like, okay, is this classes
Speaker 1: to me to be like so unattracted to this person
Speaker 1: for liking Budweiser. But it's like I can't be with
Speaker 1: no chicken finger picky eater. Ass bit like chicken fingers
Speaker 1: does not mean they're picky eaters. I'll eat everything fingers
Speaker 1: with no sauce, though, with a piste beer like Budweiser,
Speaker 1: it's not beer, I don't think so, Honey, Anheuser Busch queen.
Speaker 1: Look yall in Fort Green. You can't be drinking Budweiser. Sir?
Speaker 1: What kind of beer are they to drink? Literally anything? Yes?
Speaker 1: All day? I a founders, honey. Well, know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that if you like Budweiser, that's fine. But
Speaker 1: if you have tasted other beers beside Budweiser and have said, no,
Speaker 1: I actually prefer the watery piss, then there's a taste
Speaker 1: level there that you are lacking. Some people like what
Speaker 1: they are used to. People like to drink a lot,
Speaker 1: and so they have, you know, things like bud light things.
Speaker 1: I want somebody as my partner, I get it. Who
Speaker 1: is going to expand their horizons? Audacious? You want an
Speaker 1: audacious drinker? Yes, I want somebody who's an audacious drinker
Speaker 1: and at least at least orders a fucking Coroni got.
Speaker 1: There was a time where I think back in college,
Speaker 1: like when I was first we were talking about college.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, bit, there was a time when I had
Speaker 1: discovered Kraft beer and I thought it was like, this
Speaker 1: is the coolest thing ever, like like being like you know,
Speaker 1: like able to draw was like the peak of That's
Speaker 1: when the craft beer was. Like, remember I worked at
Speaker 1: beer craft. I do you you are trashed through and through? Why?
Speaker 1: Because I worked in a Parkslo beer craft store craft
Speaker 1: beer store anyway, So what I'm saying is there was
Speaker 1: a time when I went to college and like I
Speaker 1: was able to drink, and I started to really like
Speaker 1: craft beer because I didn't know that it could be that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had only ever grown up around my dad drinking
Speaker 1: cords light all the time. And then you're like it
Speaker 1: can taste like pumpkin and I was like, oh, pumpkin beers,
Speaker 1: you know, is my ship? I love pumpkin beer. Stick
Speaker 1: over the eight where they would get cinnamon sugar ram.
Speaker 1: Which is why am I popping off on people? Like
Speaker 1: when I'm like a cinnamon sugar rim, It's fine. The
Speaker 1: judgment level has to get way down, so basically I
Speaker 1: went I went back home for like a family thing,
Speaker 1: and I remember like my aunt's friend that was there.
Speaker 1: I was talking about beer with her, and she like
Speaker 1: exclusively only drank Chores Light. And I said to her, like,
Speaker 1: I love craft beer, like I love this, and like
Speaker 1: I love have you ever tried, like, um, like this
Speaker 1: type of beer, this type of beer? And she looked
Speaker 1: at me like it was like a political thing and
Speaker 1: she was like and she was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like to drink this because I can drink
Speaker 1: a lot of it, and like walked away, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, So like culturally it is a
Speaker 1: different thing, Like that's not my partner. Person is not
Speaker 1: my partner. There's a whole Gia Talentino I see in
Speaker 1: this where she talks about sweet green being like the
Speaker 1: perfect food for millennials or for this like dissociative time
Speaker 1: in the world where it's like for for that for
Speaker 1: your aunt, she can drink a lot of it, and
Speaker 1: that's why she likes Scores Light. That's the reason why
Speaker 1: are you cold? Is that why you're doing that? With
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit. When I when I
Speaker 1: worked at beer Craft, um, it was like this craft
Speaker 1: beer store in Park Slope and you could taste the
Speaker 1: beers before you got like like a Costco. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: we tasted beers before we got it, and like it
Speaker 1: was awful of these like um functioning alcoholic dad's in
Speaker 1: Park Slope who would like you know it was it
Speaker 1: was fine that they were drinking a lot of this
Speaker 1: beer because it was crafty beer. It was like very clear,
Speaker 1: like that that was the deal. Um, like getting drunk
Speaker 1: on a Sunday with the baby, God bless. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all should be able to do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we are getting drunk on a Sunday, come on picnic tables,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? But they would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's that one? And I would just lie, I would
Speaker 1: just make shut up and I'd be like that one's happy.
Speaker 1: And then they would be like drinking. They're like hoppy,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well it's it's a cask barrel, and
Speaker 1: they like okay, no, no, no. We have to talk
Speaker 1: about the the performance of Sudi when she was working
Speaker 1: at Beercraft. I went in there once and she was
Speaker 1: truly wearing like at least two layers of flannels and
Speaker 1: a baseball she was someone else like that. It's so
Speaker 1: funny to see her, like I think she has like
Speaker 1: a refined tation. I saw her when she was like
Speaker 1: covered in flannel on flannel on flannel, like mopping up.
Speaker 1: And I used to wear your shirts. I used to
Speaker 1: wear your flannel shirts energy though, thank you for saying. Um.
Speaker 1: The reason why I was wearing this was like right
Speaker 1: after I got like fired from being a not fired.
Speaker 1: Camal Bello was a p a there at his show
Speaker 1: and it was canceled, and so um, I was so
Speaker 1: so poored. I got a job at beer Craft, and
Speaker 1: I would drink the only way that we could function
Speaker 1: because you had to like mop down all the beer
Speaker 1: at the end of the night. And the only way
Speaker 1: that we could function is if we were like pretty
Speaker 1: drunk at that point to like hot mop like sticky
Speaker 1: beer off of every surface in this place. And so
Speaker 1: also you were encouraged like the barrel the barrels like
Speaker 1: changed every day casks. I forget what the words the cats,
Speaker 1: there's a whole different thing. So you would have to
Speaker 1: show up and like drink the new beers so you
Speaker 1: could tell people about that, and everybody was just like
Speaker 1: functionally buzzed the entire time, and I gained about thirty pounds,
Speaker 1: so I was only wearing like jeans and a flannel
Speaker 1: for good like seven or eight months. We were like
Speaker 1: beer friends because at that time I was I was
Speaker 1: waiting tables at Ulysses in the Financial District, which was
Speaker 1: like an Irish pub slash like really big beer bar,
Speaker 1: and there was like different beers on tap at any
Speaker 1: different time, and it was just like or not that much,
Speaker 1: but there was a ton and I remember my favorite
Speaker 1: day would be like I think it was Tuesdays or Thursdays,
Speaker 1: the like reps from the company would come in and
Speaker 1: that we would try everything we were getting and it
Speaker 1: was just like I also used to drink at that
Speaker 1: job so much. If you were in the service industry,
Speaker 1: you're drinking where you're high. I mean, that's like there
Speaker 1: was a there was a time there was like I
Speaker 1: think it's six to eight month period where I was
Speaker 1: so high at work. Every day you guys would talk
Speaker 1: about I would I would come and smoke with you
Speaker 1: guys in that period and you guys would talk about
Speaker 1: going to work Stone And this was right after we
Speaker 1: went to um Chapel Hill North Carolina to go perform
Speaker 1: comedy with our sketch group. And then Study drove us
Speaker 1: back in her van and we were talking about and
Speaker 1: Tessa Scara smoked us out and it was the craziest
Speaker 1: we'd have ever smoked. And Study was driving and she
Speaker 1: was talking about the like the band, yes and stuff.
Speaker 1: You weren't driving, you know, you were sober and driving,
Speaker 1: we must say, But I was. I went on a greyhound,
Speaker 1: you guys hot box that van. Yes, Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You did get so weird because you know what, I
Speaker 1: was so stoned and I kept saying, I'm experiencing reality
Speaker 1: in three differently. You did keep saying that, and then
Speaker 1: you kept that somebody should get that high and then
Speaker 1: go on a greyhound from Wilmington's Della experiencing three different realities.
Speaker 1: Is so we get back in on the screen smoking,
Speaker 1: We get back on this. We get back in on
Speaker 1: this greyhound. The driver was insane by the time we
Speaker 1: pull into the port authority. One of the passengers had
Speaker 1: called him out and said, you're driving sucked, and then
Speaker 1: he slammed the brake and was like, who said that?
Speaker 1: And it was I was too stoned for it. I
Speaker 1: go to sleep. I wake up the next day still stoned,
Speaker 1: going to work and was freaked. And then literally weeks later,
Speaker 1: you guys were like, yeah, I go and I go
Speaker 1: in the work stone all the time. I was like,
Speaker 1: how the first couple of times was not great, but
Speaker 1: then you do get used to especially because you're waiting tables.
Speaker 1: It's you're not using your brains, which Study told me
Speaker 1: a million times. I'll never forget the microaggression that was
Speaker 1: I I used to wait tables for a decade and
Speaker 1: then Study was like, I don't know, I just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not using my brain and not putting my
Speaker 1: roots down in a career. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not. I can't help it. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: always thinking in that way. Okay. It was so aggressive
Speaker 1: towards me. Let's quickly quickly try to, like, uh, set
Speaker 1: an intention for our summers of count this year. It's
Speaker 1: it's not a lossome tradition for I'll start. I want
Speaker 1: I was talking to Study about this. I want um.
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be a summer of productivity.
Speaker 1: I want this to be a summer of coming into
Speaker 1: my own and knowing what I want out of relationships.
Speaker 1: I was talking to studio. I was like, I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm still like dealing with the same
Speaker 1: dating bullshit, which I know, like does not change with
Speaker 1: your circumstances necessarily, but I'm like, I have to change
Speaker 1: the circumstances of my mindset and the dating sort of
Speaker 1: lay of the land and all that. Well, because you
Speaker 1: were like, well, I was saying to you that you
Speaker 1: need to break your pattern, and I'm also talking to
Speaker 1: myself in that same way, which is I need to
Speaker 1: break my pattern. I need to break my pat What
Speaker 1: are the patterns? My pattern is uh kind of second guessing.
Speaker 1: As soon as it starts to the germ starts to grow,
Speaker 1: even a little bit of of intimacy, you jump to
Speaker 1: this person doesn't like me, and also jump to it's
Speaker 1: like just a sex thing, right those That's that's the
Speaker 1: that's the binary. It's either one or the other. There's
Speaker 1: no room for this could be this could be something.
Speaker 1: But I also said that Bowen is okay for me,
Speaker 1: that Bowen is not really going for people that are
Speaker 1: on his wave length, and that he could form those
Speaker 1: feelings for and I feel like it's it's it's whoever
Speaker 1: happens to be, you know, your current romantic you know, dalliance.
Speaker 1: You know, either it's a fun hook up or like whatever.
Speaker 1: Part of the fulfilling, self fulfilling prophecy is that, well,
Speaker 1: this person is not on my same wavelength. They don't
Speaker 1: fulfill me, like intellectually, I can't really see myself, like,
Speaker 1: you know, falling in love with this person and like
Speaker 1: finding a partner in them. And so then of course
Speaker 1: it falls into the binary yes, yes, and I and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, with myself, I like fall into
Speaker 1: the pattern of like I say that I want this partner,
Speaker 1: I say that I want this developed, whole person. And
Speaker 1: I date comedians. Know, I date the same guy that
Speaker 1: I've been danged since I was nineteen years old, And
Speaker 1: it's the same issues every time you do tend to
Speaker 1: date a very similar person. But it's different variations on
Speaker 1: that same person. So there's there's the Texas man and
Speaker 1: the checks Hello, I was gonna says, you must discuss
Speaker 1: the checks um. There's different variations on a theme, yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. And it's what's comfortable when I meet a
Speaker 1: funny man who like I can do bits with and
Speaker 1: I think it's cute. It just it just happened and
Speaker 1: and and it's easy and and you know, I love
Speaker 1: that guy. But I can't keep complaining about not being
Speaker 1: with like um, a fully developed person, which is my
Speaker 1: main thing, and then keep dating comedians male comedians like
Speaker 1: it's it's well, you know what though, Like I think
Speaker 1: that I think that what we're experiencing at this age,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, becoming thirty, I think that
Speaker 1: what we're dirty cusp, dirty cusp for me, third fold
Speaker 1: blown thirty K three anti colon thirty cusp. That's the title.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. UM. I didn't sign off
Speaker 1: on that. I'm not seeing discussion of UM. I think
Speaker 1: that what we're realizing is that at this age, those
Speaker 1: people that you've tend to go for, they can't fake
Speaker 1: being Okay, I'm cool anymore, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like at thirty, it's like people are starting to really
Speaker 1: feel like, why haven't I figured it out? Or if
Speaker 1: I have figured it out, did I figure it out
Speaker 1: in the right way? And everyone is very much facing
Speaker 1: their own stuff right now at this age and going forward,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not once you move through your twenties,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't blame it on your twenties anymore,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like so I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's frustrating to deal with the type of
Speaker 1: person that is um uh not has not figured it out.
Speaker 1: I think this is a time when they are confronting
Speaker 1: that hard. Yeah. And I also find over and over
Speaker 1: again that, like I have figured a lot more out
Speaker 1: than maybe other people my age have. And that's like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter too if I'm like with somebody who
Speaker 1: maybe isn't like as financially stable as I am, or
Speaker 1: isn't as like far along in their career as I am. Like,
Speaker 1: I acknowledge that, like I got to those places very
Speaker 1: early in my life, and I am very much willing
Speaker 1: to be with somebody who is not at that place
Speaker 1: in their life you know yet or ever whatever, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I I feel like I'm that's
Speaker 1: not a big deal for me, it's a big deal
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's totally
Speaker 1: a You're a fixed point and they are trying to
Speaker 1: find themselves around lative their circumstances relative to yours. It's
Speaker 1: hard to date men when you're a woman who is
Speaker 1: successful Dixie Chicks. Dixie Chicks, tight on my bon. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be doing any man's taxes, Matt, what's
Speaker 1: your summer of kunkle? Okay, So I would say that
Speaker 1: it's almost weird to even have a summer of kun
Speaker 1: goal because I feel that everyone summer of count ambition
Speaker 1: should just be to survive. But I would say, um uh,
Speaker 1: my summer of kunt goal is staying positive, and my
Speaker 1: summer of cunt goal is to be more honest with
Speaker 1: myself and um uh, to stop letting myself off the
Speaker 1: hook so many times. Like sometimes I will like let
Speaker 1: myself slip in terms of um like I think I
Speaker 1: could probably like be indulging a little bit less, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like sort of eating my diets not great again
Speaker 1: in quarantine and like I do smoke a ton of
Speaker 1: weed and like sit around and watch a lot of
Speaker 1: television just like and I feel like a lot something
Speaker 1: a lot of people doing is like it's quarantine, It's okay,
Speaker 1: and like reaching across the table and grabbing your hand
Speaker 1: to me, and like it's okay. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is survive right now. All you have to do
Speaker 1: is make it to the next day. This is unprecedented
Speaker 1: what we're going through. You know, like no one has
Speaker 1: a rule book on how to do this right. It's quarantine.
Speaker 1: It's so different. And I'm just like, you gotta stop
Speaker 1: saying that at a certain point because this could be
Speaker 1: for a while. You know what, I think we're all
Speaker 1: just saying, like, well, the vaccine is coming. Who the
Speaker 1: fuck is the doctor here who knows that the vaccine
Speaker 1: is girl? And now how you're gonna get it? And
Speaker 1: you're gonna take the first vaccine? Girl? Okay, girl, Astra
Speaker 1: Zeneca has a two billion dose commitment to the Oxford vaccine.
Speaker 1: It's gonna come eventually. Just because you say that does
Speaker 1: not make it true. I'm the authority of you actually
Speaker 1: are deeply not. All I'm saying is that, like we
Speaker 1: can't use this complacent time to be complacent, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like like, yes, a huge focus of our
Speaker 1: lives should be just like trying to find like our
Speaker 1: little moments of positivity that keep us going day to day.
Speaker 1: But also like I want to make sure that I'm
Speaker 1: still taking care of myself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I I don't want to It doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: your default, which is like full hedonistic debauchery, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We don't always have to go there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I feel like people
Speaker 1: who ordinarily would deal with stress by like going out
Speaker 1: and dancing are going on and having sex, are going
Speaker 1: out and like you know, drinking or like going on
Speaker 1: and doing this. Like you're facing all those things and
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be in your house. And so for me, like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person that doesn't have great impulse
Speaker 1: control when it comes to like eating stuff or um,
Speaker 1: you know, like indulging or whatever. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I just want to exercise a little bit more self control.
Speaker 1: And just because someone else is like um, doing one
Speaker 1: thing doesn't mean I have to do it. And I
Speaker 1: just want to stay more positive. And I think the
Speaker 1: way I can do that is to sort of be
Speaker 1: a little bit real with myself about the fact that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just because I'm in this apartment all the
Speaker 1: time doesn't mean that, like, um, my life has to
Speaker 1: feel sloppy or I just I don't have to feel
Speaker 1: sluggish or you know, like I I do. I did
Speaker 1: start like working out, um, you know, Ariel again on
Speaker 1: the Zoom with him and like he like I work
Speaker 1: out with him. In the first day we did that,
Speaker 1: because I hadn't worked out in so long, I felt awful.
Speaker 1: I had to stop like three quarters of the way
Speaker 1: through and like almost threw up because it's been so long.
Speaker 1: And also there's and I really wasn't but I just
Speaker 1: kind of like a wake up call of like, really
Speaker 1: the way I've treated myself over the past four months.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like I had made so many
Speaker 1: positive changes in that area that I don't want to
Speaker 1: fall back to like me and my mid till late twenties,
Speaker 1: where it was sort of like I can do whatever
Speaker 1: the funk I want, like my metabolism is good, Like
Speaker 1: that's not really the case anymore. Like I'm thirty years old.
Speaker 1: Like again, I am thirty years old, not thirty costs,
Speaker 1: like he keeps kind of like taking the narrative the
Speaker 1: cusp of your thirties. We just don't want old, asked
Speaker 1: a race that you can do and feel however over
Speaker 1: the age that you want. But me, I'm not gonna again.
Speaker 1: This is this is the accountability of self, Like I
Speaker 1: am thirty years or I'm saying that the three of
Speaker 1: us are bound to a common identity of thirty cuss. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you keep dressing. You know how I feel about
Speaker 1: the thirty year old narrative. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: means old. I'm just saying it means that, like I
Speaker 1: can't get away with the stuff that I used to
Speaker 1: get away with, And that's not a bad thing. It's
Speaker 1: a good thing. I'm trying to be accountable. Um, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just I just don't want
Speaker 1: to feel like shitty and then then the what I
Speaker 1: feel shitty when I eat table bell at one in
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, because it's not good for you, hunt right,
Speaker 1: And I know that, but but like that's where my
Speaker 1: impulse control falters. And like I don't feel good when
Speaker 1: I'm up till three in the morning and then wake
Speaker 1: up at noon. That's why, like I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: be working again, and like I'm really excited to be
Speaker 1: like doing things again, and like it's great to remember
Speaker 1: that that will return because I like to go to
Speaker 1: bed at ten thirty or eleven PM and then wake
Speaker 1: up at seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning. Like
Speaker 1: I like that, Like I've really discovered that about myself
Speaker 1: and moving to Los Angeles, Like I like a routine,
Speaker 1: I love to work. I loved having a social life.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, like, before this was
Speaker 1: all happening, I had never been happier. I had been
Speaker 1: never been so professionally successful, you know, like things were
Speaker 1: going great in my personal life. You also love being busy.
Speaker 1: I love being busy, and I had a whole I
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and be so excited about
Speaker 1: the day, and there was so much going on, and
Speaker 1: like so much stuff that's still going on in the future,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's delayed or finding a way to happen.
Speaker 1: And I just you know, And it's so funny because
Speaker 1: while all this good stuff was happening, Like you got
Speaker 1: me that little tower of terror bell and I ding it.
Speaker 1: It looks like a little like what would you call it,
Speaker 1: like a bell hop bell? And I started digging it
Speaker 1: every morning for luck, and I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: dig it for luck. And then one day I ding
Speaker 1: the bell and I was walking out the door and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean, all this good stuff
Speaker 1: is happening now, but it's gonna end, Like there's no
Speaker 1: way I can continue to be this happy. And then
Speaker 1: I had my thirtieth birthday, and then three or four
Speaker 1: days later, it was like quarantine went or the coronavirus
Speaker 1: went from something that was like not our problem to
Speaker 1: like very much our problem, and they were saying in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, they'll be fine. And then when
Speaker 1: it was clear that was not the case, like I did,
Speaker 1: like there was like a period there where like every
Speaker 1: six seven days I would have like a very very
Speaker 1: dark day, and I was like, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: worked so long and so hard to be able to
Speaker 1: finally be self sufficient and happy and have a nice
Speaker 1: apartment and like, you know, do all these things. And
Speaker 1: I finally, after a decade of like really struggling, was
Speaker 1: here and now like you were, Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 1: and you know, lots of things. It's a huge setback
Speaker 1: for everyone, and like you know, so many people. It's
Speaker 1: just stopped momentum for everyone. And I and I am
Speaker 1: totally aware of the fact that, like you know, for
Speaker 1: so many people, that stop so much more than just
Speaker 1: momentum or or joy. So but in the way that
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with it, I just don't want that to
Speaker 1: um continue to dominate my life. Yeah, just like just
Speaker 1: or just like the like I can't stand it when
Speaker 1: people are like acting like this is going to be forever,
Speaker 1: like it's just even if it's a joke. I I
Speaker 1: hate it, and I think less of people who talk
Speaker 1: to me like that, okay, and people who are negative
Speaker 1: towards me around the coronavirus like it's something that I
Speaker 1: can't get over, Like I I if you talk to
Speaker 1: me and like spew like sort of terror speak about
Speaker 1: the coronavirus and quarantine, like I'm done. I'm out, like
Speaker 1: like your threatened my happiness and I can't talk to you.
Speaker 1: So as long as it doesn't hold you back from
Speaker 1: confronting reality is about no, I can confront reality, like
Speaker 1: I'm aware people want to live there, and you know,
Speaker 1: some people can't help it. And that's just like how
Speaker 1: they process it like this and like you know, they
Speaker 1: need to keep up on the well those people can
Speaker 1: get but but those people can get the funk away
Speaker 1: from me, is what I'm saying, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I don't want you in my
Speaker 1: life if you're going to be some sort of like
Speaker 1: someone who's obsessed with fatality, I'm out, Like I don't
Speaker 1: like you. I don't like negative enage. You just don't
Speaker 1: want to talk to like a black pillar who's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is like every we're fucked forever. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone that's I don't need anyone in my life.
Speaker 1: That's like thinking we're going to be living in COVID
Speaker 1: soup for the rest of our life. Even if that's true,
Speaker 1: I just don't care to engage in it because of
Speaker 1: what I know it does to me, and so keep
Speaker 1: it away from me because that's just the way I feel.
Speaker 1: And so what I feel like I'm focused on for
Speaker 1: summer of kun is just making the world a beautiful
Speaker 1: place that I can still positive for myself, which is
Speaker 1: hard yea um, but it's hard to have goals in
Speaker 1: terms of like, you know, interpersonal relationships or my own
Speaker 1: body or this or that the other thing without without
Speaker 1: relating to the coronavirus, which is what we're all going through,
Speaker 1: because for me, it's like that is the dominating thing
Speaker 1: that is the equalizer of everyone right now, and for me,
Speaker 1: it's just like trying to find a way to live
Speaker 1: with this understanding that it might be however long. Yes,
Speaker 1: you you don't want to plot your your your personal
Speaker 1: growth without considering the monoculture that is, well, how could
Speaker 1: you how could you how could you live like that? Like,
Speaker 1: how could you actually live thinking well, this is what
Speaker 1: life is now until the day I die? Like I
Speaker 1: don't get I mean, some people, in the same way
Speaker 1: that you function that would rather stay in a bubble
Speaker 1: of positivity because you're very sensitive to those kinds of thoughts.
Speaker 1: Some people get comfort in the reality and knowing what's
Speaker 1: going on. Some people need to know the facts, live
Speaker 1: in the facts and think worst case scenario so that
Speaker 1: they can they can prepare for that, and that is
Speaker 1: how some people function and cope. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the bottom line is that people we all know how
Speaker 1: horrible to situation is. People are dying and the government
Speaker 1: is failing us, and you know how you live with
Speaker 1: that every day. As long as you know that and
Speaker 1: you're like responsible for that, responsible reacting to that, then
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm sucking saying. I'm just like
Speaker 1: you're trying to present like a logical reason for why
Speaker 1: someone would be obsessed with the situation that we're because
Speaker 1: because they want because they want to understand what's happening,
Speaker 1: and they want to feel like my whole family, it's
Speaker 1: like it's another case here, another case. They're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the text. Threat is like anything you bring up,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, I mean, and we're never going
Speaker 1: to get this, and those people are dying and like,
Speaker 1: of course they won't wear a mask and everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: my entire like extended family lives in that every day.
Speaker 1: But they're also you know, that's just how they function.
Speaker 1: They are news uh sponges, and they need to monitor
Speaker 1: the situation. And let me make clear that I am
Speaker 1: not someone who doesn't watch the news. I very much
Speaker 1: know what's going on, and I is the news. I
Speaker 1: keep up every day with what's going on, and I
Speaker 1: am doing everything in my power, like to stop the
Speaker 1: spread in my own life. And but what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is when people are comfortable with negativity and fatality, which
Speaker 1: is different than reality. Reality is, we are in a
Speaker 1: horrible pandemic and every single day there's more cases in
Speaker 1: in the United States because our government is famil that's reality.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with knowing reality. What I'm uncomfortable with is
Speaker 1: people submitting to the idea that this is forever and
Speaker 1: like that's what's going to be top of mind forever.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how could you what are you
Speaker 1: looking forward? You need to see a light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel very much. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that it's I don't think that that's accurate to say
Speaker 1: that this is the new normal and everything, I mean,
Speaker 1: huge cataclysmic events happen, you know, in the world, and
Speaker 1: then you adjust to a new reality and some things
Speaker 1: are different and some things are the same, and that
Speaker 1: that will probably be what happens here. I just get
Speaker 1: frustrated when when there's sort of a resignation to death,
Speaker 1: Like I just like that because I need to. I like,
Speaker 1: I like living. If that sounds m basic or whatever. Um, Sudi,
Speaker 1: let's let's go to your Sudi, what's your summer count? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about this today in the shower,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking that, like a big reason why
Speaker 1: Bowen and I were like let's go to l A
Speaker 1: was that we were you know, you know, um, everything
Speaker 1: is well, you know, everything's a risk, so you you'd
Speaker 1: be as safe as you can and still things could happen.
Speaker 1: You gotta mitigate the risk. Gonna be like I don't
Speaker 1: know this is women. You know what weird decided was
Speaker 1: um but uh, you know it's because like Bone and
Speaker 1: I were like in our apartments in New York and
Speaker 1: we're both single, and like a big thing for me
Speaker 1: was that like I kept having these dark, repetitive thoughts,
Speaker 1: like just living in like a dark thoughts cycle. And
Speaker 1: I would like work, and I had like the Shrill
Speaker 1: Zoom Room and like a running joke that I would say,
Speaker 1: like if I like talk a little bit too much
Speaker 1: or told a boring story like in the Shrill Zoom Room,
Speaker 1: I would like say afterwards. I was like, you guys
Speaker 1: are the only and first people I talked to all day,
Speaker 1: and so if I seem crazy right now, like that's why.
Speaker 1: And one of my like recurring dark thoughts was and
Speaker 1: it sounds like so nasty, like in the world of
Speaker 1: COVID to like think of this, but also like this
Speaker 1: is what summer of cons about it, and it's like
Speaker 1: often about our romantic lives. I think also because like
Speaker 1: career wise or like life wise, we feel good and
Speaker 1: so like we tend to focus on our romantic lives.
Speaker 1: But I was like this was this summer or whatever.
Speaker 1: I was like I was gonna get find a fucking boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna, you know, like I was gonna
Speaker 1: be over and I was gonna get fucking snatched. And
Speaker 1: then this was gonna be my like slutty summer, which
Speaker 1: you know this is a pattern for me, is like
Speaker 1: I have slutty summers, which is like a god bless
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is gonna be it, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like fun and I'm gonna find a husband
Speaker 1: but also like fun and um, like I just kind
Speaker 1: of was in this thought spiral of I'm alone in
Speaker 1: my apartment. I don't have a partner. I'm going through
Speaker 1: this alone, and I'm going to be alone because there's
Speaker 1: this window that I have before I have to go
Speaker 1: back to work and work like a thousand hours a
Speaker 1: week and um be so burnt out that I can't
Speaker 1: even like see let alone like touch a dick, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, they really don't talk about and they need
Speaker 1: a chapter in the SNL book about like how to
Speaker 1: fix your sex life. I mean, come on, how to
Speaker 1: touch a dick? First of all, um, please let me know. Um.
Speaker 1: But then you know, it's funny because like just the
Speaker 1: other day I was in our Airbnb and you know,
Speaker 1: it's COVID and I'm talking to this guy and we
Speaker 1: sort of had them go on. There was there was
Speaker 1: a phone sex situation and you know, I love I
Speaker 1: love it, I love it and after word, okay, so
Speaker 1: I'll say it went there. It absolutely went there. Did
Speaker 1: finish there? Oh yeah. And and the next morning, you know,
Speaker 1: he texts me and I was very much like I'm
Speaker 1: defining this experience for him in terms of like me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, it's quarantine. I had never
Speaker 1: done something like that before. It was fun. It was
Speaker 1: a moment in time. I got my damn night, which
Speaker 1: I didn't say, but like I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope it was mutually pleasurable blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: like that's great. And I was like I'm sucking empowered
Speaker 1: with my pleasure. It's quarantine. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: doing this And then you know he's in New York
Speaker 1: and like with the time difference or whatever. The next
Speaker 1: day he like text me at like two pm and
Speaker 1: like I'm busy and horned up and he's like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about blah blah blah, Like come say hi, and
Speaker 1: I'm like this this this can't this can't be I
Speaker 1: just it just um. It was clear to me that
Speaker 1: like the experience for me was different than the experience
Speaker 1: for him, and like that's okay. But I just kind
Speaker 1: of realized because in the end, it wasn't that satisfying
Speaker 1: of I have no regrets, but it really wasn't that
Speaker 1: um satisfying of an experience. And I think that I
Speaker 1: was like, what if I just stop seeking this? What
Speaker 1: if I just stop? And I should have come to
Speaker 1: this so much earlier in quarantine, But I was like,
Speaker 1: why am I obsessed over finding like some dude to
Speaker 1: like fuck and look at when I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning. Who the fuck cares? He's probably gonna suck anyway,
Speaker 1: So like, why don't I just be absolutely one hundred
Speaker 1: percent okay and happy and exta attic that I'm single,
Speaker 1: be happy with myself, like celebrate myself. And then when
Speaker 1: a great other soul comes to me and I see
Speaker 1: that soul and I say, I want to share my
Speaker 1: like joy with you, and I want to share your
Speaker 1: joys and your sorrows. When I meet that special thing,
Speaker 1: then I will be like, let's do this. But if
Speaker 1: I don't see that thing if I don't see that
Speaker 1: special soul, then I need to be like celebrating my
Speaker 1: ass and not worry about nothing's missing in my life.
Speaker 1: That's what I need to get rid of. Nothing's missing
Speaker 1: in my life. Yes, but it is understandable to me
Speaker 1: to want to seek out some quick little dopamine headward
Speaker 1: different different, but then you're nut is different. But you build,
Speaker 1: you build your channels for people who can help you
Speaker 1: get your nut. And so you and so you communed
Speaker 1: or you whatever, you connected with this guy and then
Speaker 1: you got your nuts. And then the next day he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, it's two pm on the Pacific coast.
Speaker 1: Why don't we blah blah blah, And you're like, wait, no,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's first of all, you're allowed to
Speaker 1: say no, of course, and also to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Like I kind of think it's nice to have those
Speaker 1: relationships where it's like, oh, that's the guy I get
Speaker 1: my nut with online, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I think it's fun. No, nothing feel absolutely fun. It's fun,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just like it's also it's its own
Speaker 1: real little relationship and it's like I don't think of
Speaker 1: that as a thing that's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this anymore unless it's making you feel bad. It's
Speaker 1: great that he exists there and he wants to get
Speaker 1: his nut with you. I guess I just felt that
Speaker 1: I wish and I'm not going into d D into
Speaker 1: d D D details, but I wish that the attitude
Speaker 1: on his part had been let's get our nut together
Speaker 1: and let us be like a happy fun But it
Speaker 1: was not that way from him, and that was what
Speaker 1: was he to me, which is why I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like I gotta be good with myself and also like yes,
Speaker 1: and also like I don't regret the experience and don't
Speaker 1: put any extra stress on yourself. That that's part of
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm saying is it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: let things be easy in that department because it's so
Speaker 1: hard of everywhere else. And also like I think like ultimately,
Speaker 1: if you have the attitude that it feels like some
Speaker 1: of these guys might have, it might lead you down
Speaker 1: a road of like funk, I'm single, Like wasn't this
Speaker 1: wasn't what I needed it to be, This wasn't what
Speaker 1: it really is and there and I might never have that, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Just like don't live place. Wish that I just wish
Speaker 1: that men understood where I come from with a lot
Speaker 1: of hookups, which is like I think that there's this
Speaker 1: binarya of like where either just fucking or we're dating,
Speaker 1: and there can be an in between where you are.
Speaker 1: This is my ideal, which tender pleasure giving, caring. You know,
Speaker 1: the most natural thing in the world is to have sex,
Speaker 1: you know, to explore, to be vulnerable in front of
Speaker 1: each other and have it be this um good experience
Speaker 1: for both people that is like two bodies, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's very natural. But once you
Speaker 1: get into that like um vulnerability with somebody, I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of times they're scared that it's going
Speaker 1: to turn into like a committed relationship thing, which is like,
Speaker 1: first of all, why are you so scared of that?
Speaker 1: Like that's also a natural human pattern to find love
Speaker 1: and to connect, you know. But also the other thing
Speaker 1: is like, once you are that free sexual woman in
Speaker 1: front of them, that's all they think of you as
Speaker 1: they think of you as just like this woman who
Speaker 1: is down to do those things where it's like it's
Speaker 1: not that you get to benefit for the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm sexually liberated. But that doesn't mean that I am
Speaker 1: the person that you think that I am. Wow, this
Speaker 1: is the thing. The market is constantly fluctuating around the
Speaker 1: value that we place on intimacy, sex, single hood, whatever,
Speaker 1: and so there's no fixed anything in our journeys around
Speaker 1: relationships or not wanting a relationship. Um to put this
Speaker 1: in economic terms, it's like the value changes in all
Speaker 1: of those areas. Also, intimacy and sex are two so
Speaker 1: different things. Everybody, there's the understand that they're different things,
Speaker 1: that they're two so different things. They're two so different things.
Speaker 1: There are such different things, and I think that like, ultimately,
Speaker 1: like if if if the way that you have sex
Speaker 1: is like intimate always like and you need that, then
Speaker 1: that's great. But I think that some people could like
Speaker 1: it's lower the stakes a little bit by realizing that
Speaker 1: not everything has to mean like so much. Well one,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I agree with you. But also it's like
Speaker 1: I also think deep deeply what it really is is
Speaker 1: it's like we all wish for that moment when sex
Speaker 1: feels like more, and every single time we have sex
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like more, we have questions with
Speaker 1: ourselves about why that was was it my fault? Was
Speaker 1: it his fault? Could get better? And I feel good
Speaker 1: about this, So I feel bad. I judge myself about it.
Speaker 1: And that's something that's been like a whole journey I
Speaker 1: think for everyone. Is it's just like especially living in
Speaker 1: a culture where sex is like vilified, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, especially being it is made to look like
Speaker 1: a bad, illicit thing. And well I think also like
Speaker 1: in as a woman, as a woman, it's worth having
Speaker 1: sex with straight man. The what what I take from
Speaker 1: what you're saying that is like the intention versus the
Speaker 1: aftermath is often too things. It's like the thing where
Speaker 1: like you're watching porn and you're like typing in your
Speaker 1: search words, and then afterwards, once you're not, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the like who is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is? But it exists with
Speaker 1: just you and you, and so you don't have like
Speaker 1: a narrative back and forth about it, whereas when you
Speaker 1: have sex with another person, you have to leave that
Speaker 1: situation knowing that you shared it with someone else and
Speaker 1: they have an emotional conversation that they're having with themselves
Speaker 1: about which is worse because when you're just left with
Speaker 1: your own thoughts and search words. There's no exhaust fun.
Speaker 1: So you're just like, well, this is my ship. I
Speaker 1: think it's always going to be worth worse when you
Speaker 1: have questions about what someone else felt about it. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the pattern that I get stuck
Speaker 1: in is that I feel sexually free. I also like
Speaker 1: am horny and a sexual person, and so when I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to somebody who are on a date, that's something
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for, is like that fun hook up
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, whatever like degree of
Speaker 1: hook up that is. And I don't like to do
Speaker 1: the mental game of commodifying access to my body in
Speaker 1: terms of a relationship. I don't like to hold back
Speaker 1: to get something down the line. I don't like to
Speaker 1: engage in that. And I think that men are very
Speaker 1: excited when I am sexually down and excited and want
Speaker 1: to fuck, but then they get into this narrative of
Speaker 1: the commodifying of my sexual access, and then once we fuck,
Speaker 1: it's like you are fuck. You are no longer like
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe people would say, like you have
Speaker 1: to let the emotions grow before the physicality grows, And
Speaker 1: I think that there is um you know an argument
Speaker 1: to that, and and and and you know sex is
Speaker 1: better when you have a deeper connection. But I'm not
Speaker 1: always in that place. And that's why I have sex
Speaker 1: with a lot of people once because I see the
Speaker 1: look in their eyes when it's done, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is of me? You feel like they come out,
Speaker 1: do you feel like a notch on their bed post?
Speaker 1: This has changed your view of me? And your view
Speaker 1: of me is not accurate. And I think you a
Speaker 1: favor and like you're not even paying me like the
Speaker 1: respect that I deserve for Like why can't this just
Speaker 1: be a mutual nice thing to do to somebody to
Speaker 1: make somebody else come that it should be mutual aid?
Speaker 1: And that's a rule of culture number nine, sexually mutual
Speaker 1: aid community. It's just so different in the community that
Speaker 1: Bone and I are in. It's so different because it
Speaker 1: is it's like transactional is not the right word. It's
Speaker 1: just so like, um, the the the the term to arrive,
Speaker 1: the terms to arrive at the finished chroducts, let's say,
Speaker 1: are like constantly fucked up in weird. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think it can be. There's no set terms of
Speaker 1: agreement to arriving in sex, yeah, I think, which also
Speaker 1: applies to heterosexual I think that for for a woman
Speaker 1: entering sex, though, just just me guessing, it must feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm entering a sexual situation with this man,
Speaker 1: this heterosexual man, like there is a lot more going
Speaker 1: on interior because I, as a woman, like have something
Speaker 1: to sort of like lose here because this guy is
Speaker 1: just that's the narrative. That's the narrative that I reject.
Speaker 1: That is the narrative. And don't get me wrong, the
Speaker 1: narrative seeps in and I can go there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But as a fucking liberated woman who
Speaker 1: has done the work and educated myself with my own oppression,
Speaker 1: I reject that narrative. But I'm confronted with that narrative
Speaker 1: with the other person constantly, whether it's conscious or subconscious,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe sometimes it's in my head. I
Speaker 1: also feel like I try, you know, sex is complicated
Speaker 1: for men too. I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like nervousness and performance anxiety, and like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a whole bag of worms. There's there's
Speaker 1: so there's so much on either side, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess my ideal sexual situation and you know,
Speaker 1: if you know somebody, if you're listening right now and
Speaker 1: you know somebody who's down for this, its reach out
Speaker 1: and if they have a good job and they're well
Speaker 1: educated and read, that's that's really kind of a requirement.
Speaker 1: And I want to say that with the caveat um
Speaker 1: uh because you know we're we're we're trying to find
Speaker 1: our partner as well. But there's risk involved. And if
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have to have the peat, they
Speaker 1: just have to enjoy their work, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and like be passionate about it and be good um um.
Speaker 1: But like I guess what I'm looking for is like
Speaker 1: if I can't find that um soul that I want
Speaker 1: to connect it and be vulnerable with and like fall
Speaker 1: in love with, I wish that I could find liberated
Speaker 1: individuals who um were interested in mutual pleasure and kindness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that. That's what it is. This is This is
Speaker 1: summer of count for all of us, isn't it. I
Speaker 1: think it's just like men just have to not be
Speaker 1: like weird stupid fuck boys and which applies. But but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be then make sure the other person
Speaker 1: is a weird, stupid fun boy too, Yes, because because
Speaker 1: like for me, it's like I think there's like I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like there's like people that are your friends,
Speaker 1: and then there's people that are your friends where their
Speaker 1: sexual chemistry, and then the gay community. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's like we've sort of figured out because like the
Speaker 1: the situation that we're in is like so not sexually
Speaker 1: standard because we're outside of like a heterosexual paradigm. It's
Speaker 1: like if you have sexual chemistry with a friend of
Speaker 1: yours and it's mutual, like sex is part of the
Speaker 1: way you just hang out with that end, And so
Speaker 1: I almost wish that, yeah, but I almost wish that
Speaker 1: was more of an accepted I wish people would just
Speaker 1: treat sex with the respect that it deserves, yes, but
Speaker 1: also as a thing that's like natural and could be
Speaker 1: fun and doesn't have to be this thing after where
Speaker 1: it's like someone one or someone like feels like they
Speaker 1: got something out of it and like took something from
Speaker 1: someone else, you know what I mean. Like it's it's
Speaker 1: too it's too um complicated. I think sometimes there's there's
Speaker 1: there's a there shouldn't be a flag involved. It's not
Speaker 1: a capture of the flag mission. Yeah, yeah, And you
Speaker 1: have to see people's feelings into account, and like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it should be a great
Speaker 1: experience for everyone involved, and it shouldn't just be an
Speaker 1: experience for an experience as sake because people people a
Speaker 1: lot of people feel really um invaded because of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people feel like like compromised because of it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, there should be more communication. There
Speaker 1: should be more communication the best sex, and I think
Speaker 1: that that is something I need to like really know
Speaker 1: that I want going forward, and like you have to
Speaker 1: set the tone. The best sex that I have had
Speaker 1: recently was like with somebody who I had slept with
Speaker 1: many times before and had been like a long period
Speaker 1: of times before we had slept with each other. It
Speaker 1: was quarantine and we were like okay, like you know,
Speaker 1: is this the vibe? And there was sexy communication before rhand,
Speaker 1: and like I like was like, let's show up for
Speaker 1: each other and like it's quarantine and it's been a while,
Speaker 1: and like let's make it worth it if we're gonna
Speaker 1: like break quarantine, and like let's like really be there
Speaker 1: for each other, not to not, you're not negative. It
Speaker 1: is mine is to let's not. Let's not feel like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's it. It's ku three anti colon, let's not
Speaker 1: let's not. I feel like it's um important to nut. Yes,
Speaker 1: I had something else to say, but I realized we
Speaker 1: have we have gone so long, and we have to
Speaker 1: get to I don't think so high to get before
Speaker 1: we do, we should just say gaslight or the album
Speaker 1: by the Dixie Chicks. Chicks is fucking amazing and we've
Speaker 1: all been enjoying it, and we haven't really touched so
Speaker 1: much culture. But that is the culture that we three
Speaker 1: are experiencing right now. Yeah, and I would say we
Speaker 1: haven't touched on much culture, but the three of us
Speaker 1: together is is a culture. Culture. Shall we we shall?
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey. This is where
Speaker 1: we take one minute to rail against something in culture.
Speaker 1: I have something, mat to, you have something I do. Okay,
Speaker 1: So traditionally macOS first, and let's keep up with traditions.
Speaker 1: Since this is a traditional episode, Matt, this is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Zac Efron and the conversation around
Speaker 1: zac Efron because recently I saw a little article that
Speaker 1: was like, wow, zac Efron's new dad bod. Okay, we
Speaker 1: have to understand this is not a dad body. This
Speaker 1: is what happens when you have a lot of help
Speaker 1: from a lot of substances, maybe illegal, maybe not, and
Speaker 1: you sort of age this is and you sort of
Speaker 1: become like what zac Affron is now. You could not
Speaker 1: achieve this type of body without outside how seconds. And
Speaker 1: I feel like there's sort of like this toxic conversation
Speaker 1: about around, like his looks as if they're natural. His
Speaker 1: looks are not natural, and so having a conversation with
Speaker 1: him without saying that is to me dangerous, especially with
Speaker 1: gay man, which I've seen a lot of gay men
Speaker 1: actually discuss online, which they should be. Also, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's on the zac Efron because I can't see
Speaker 1: him in the musical with this body. He needs to
Speaker 1: be slim enough to dance. I want to see zac
Speaker 1: Efron dance and sing. If not, I don't think and
Speaker 1: you think that with that body he cannot dance. I
Speaker 1: just feel like I can't take him seriously if he
Speaker 1: were to start singing and dancing, and I want zac
Speaker 1: Efron saying and dancing. He should be in dancing shape,
Speaker 1: bulking up in the woods shape, because that's really the
Speaker 1: only acceptable thing we can accept him as as a
Speaker 1: screen presence, because we've now seen what happens in the
Speaker 1: aftermath of whatever he was doing to get his body
Speaker 1: the way. It wasn't like bad Grandpa, sure, but for YouTube,
Speaker 1: for you to boxing into a link Troy box, he
Speaker 1: should stay in that box. No. No, This is something
Speaker 1: I really feel about him is it's like that's what
Speaker 1: he's best, that he's most charming doing that, and it
Speaker 1: is heteronormative culture. It is toxic masculinity that drove him
Speaker 1: away from what he's truly gifted from. And then he
Speaker 1: peeked back in with Greatest Showman and was so charming
Speaker 1: and lovely in that movie, and it was so fun
Speaker 1: to watch him return to that. And now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's like, what like left being in the
Speaker 1: Revenant in the woods, Like what the hell is happening
Speaker 1: in this new show? And then everyone's like talking about
Speaker 1: his body transformation. I'm like, you want to talk about
Speaker 1: his body transformation, Let's have a discussion about superhero bodies,
Speaker 1: about Chris Evans's body and why it is the way
Speaker 1: it is, the transformation not working out just naturally. The
Speaker 1: transformation is going from temper sent body fat to fifteen
Speaker 1: let's say it's not even that draft he there's not
Speaker 1: there's not even anyway there's that much of body fat
Speaker 1: on him. And I just feel like there is a
Speaker 1: sort of you can really boil down the toxic narrative,
Speaker 1: which is like, this is what an in shape man
Speaker 1: looks like, seeping down to America and the world. I
Speaker 1: think we can really talk about it with like zac
Speaker 1: Efron and what he looks like right now, because it's
Speaker 1: like to me, like I don't want to like guess
Speaker 1: the way he's feeling, but like I don't know if
Speaker 1: that he doesn't seem to me like a necessarily super
Speaker 1: happy person, because I don't know if he's like, if
Speaker 1: this is him living his truth, then God bless. But
Speaker 1: like he to me is like someone who got famous
Speaker 1: really young. The industry recognized him as someone they could
Speaker 1: probably turn into an A list star, and they did
Speaker 1: all sorts of experiments on him to make him what
Speaker 1: he was, and those have also been social because I
Speaker 1: don't think he's talking in his natural voice, and I
Speaker 1: mean his whole celebrity is based around the dichotomy of yes,
Speaker 1: I sing a dance, but not gay. Not gay. He
Speaker 1: is literally hashtag yeah, and it's like weird to me.
Speaker 1: It's not even be gay because I'm not saying actually
Speaker 1: be gay, but like it's like but it's like, it's
Speaker 1: like when guys at uc B would be like, I
Speaker 1: hate when you call it improv theater. It's like, what
Speaker 1: you're doing is gay. What you're doing a theater. What
Speaker 1: you're doing is gay. And so just like fucking own Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a rule that you can't wear shorts, you have
Speaker 1: to wear pants. It's theater, bitch, Like you're up there
Speaker 1: people paid to watch you perform on a stage a thrust. Also,
Speaker 1: every single woman at uc B has a fucking b
Speaker 1: f a from like Boston Conservatory and like absolutely the
Speaker 1: most highly trained musical theater actress who decided that she
Speaker 1: wanted agency and autonomy over what she performed, so she
Speaker 1: went to comedy and was actually low key the best
Speaker 1: person on your team, bitch, Becky chokoin sam Ree buck
Speaker 1: off those funk up to the guys, funk off to
Speaker 1: the guys. Okay, thank you many. I just feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's I'm standing by that because I just think
Speaker 1: it's a shame because had he been natural, he would
Speaker 1: he would be a beautiful man. And I'm not attracted
Speaker 1: to what he is right now because it's like so much. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's not for me. I think I guess he's for
Speaker 1: straight man only. Now. I don't know anyway, this is
Speaker 1: Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey. And his time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so, honey. Parking it's the
Speaker 1: most inconvenient, stressful part of driving. And why should it
Speaker 1: be at the end, you know, to end off the
Speaker 1: journey of driving with the most stressful and that's not
Speaker 1: how structure, a narrative structure works. It shouldn't. The climax
Speaker 1: should not be at the end. It's so stressful, and
Speaker 1: there's no moment to really like, digest and take in
Speaker 1: the accomplishment that is parking. If you've parked a car,
Speaker 1: you are a superhero and you there's no room in
Speaker 1: that narrative for you to really appreciate yourself and the
Speaker 1: task that you've accomplished in parking a car in any space,
Speaker 1: whether it's parallel whether it's in a lot, whether it's
Speaker 1: demarcated by lines, it is a huge deal. And parking structurally,
Speaker 1: it's fifteen. Positioning of parking is flawed, and you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of grey areas, and whether or not
Speaker 1: you pull the emergency break up or um if you're
Speaker 1: in a stick shift five seconds. You know, So parking,
Speaker 1: I say, abolished parking. Let's just leave our cars wherever
Speaker 1: is most convenient. That's one minute. Everyone in l A
Speaker 1: and and anyone anyone outside of New York listening to
Speaker 1: this just rolled their fucking eyes. Bowen Yang, the COSP
Speaker 1: of thirty finally arrives that parking is not fun. My
Speaker 1: other I don't think one is going to be the
Speaker 1: colorism in Indian matchmaking. But that's for another time. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, that's many for another time. It was
Speaker 1: important that you landed on I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Parking the concept as a parking as concept, Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He thinks that the car should just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: go somewhere else with your drive. There should be you
Speaker 1: should be able to leave your car wherever you want.
Speaker 1: It is it is bad, I'll give you that it's bad.
Speaker 1: This is Sudi Greens. I don't think so, honey, and
Speaker 1: her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Organizing
Speaker 1: your books by color your rainbow ass millennial, ubiquitous aesthetic
Speaker 1: ass bookshelf. Okay. The first of all, books are for words,
Speaker 1: not for colors. Second of all, we all know that
Speaker 1: you're keeping that pink book not because you read it,
Speaker 1: not because you loved it, but because the pink spine
Speaker 1: fitting very well in your literary uh style. Um. If
Speaker 1: you organize your books by color, you're basically staying to
Speaker 1: the world. I'm illiterate. Um, I'm only devoted to aesthetics.
Speaker 1: And like, yes, maybe this is snobby, but guess what
Speaker 1: books are snobby. They're inherently elitist. And I think that's
Speaker 1: okay and that we should be cool with that. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. If you posted about this
Speaker 1: and um, you're not important and everybody does it and
Speaker 1: it's lame and that's one minute. Honestly, organizing books by
Speaker 1: color that's just so confusing. How would you find anything
Speaker 1: remembering that a certain book is blue? That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: It's like, then, these books aren't functional for knowledge. It's
Speaker 1: purely aesthetic. It's got to be a culture number. Books
Speaker 1: must be organized by author. No, they must be organized
Speaker 1: by or at least by general subject. No. No. The
Speaker 1: rule of culture number ninety four is books are for words,
Speaker 1: not colors. Books are not colors. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: Let's say you have a normal people where the spine
Speaker 1: is green and blue. What are you gonna do? Then, honey,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure that break out of some put it
Speaker 1: on the That's actually an easy one. But let's say
Speaker 1: there's a two color between G and B on the
Speaker 1: roy It's counterintuitive. The whole organizations counterintuitctually. If the spine
Speaker 1: has multiple colors on it, what you're gonna do. You're
Speaker 1: gonna put it in the middle of where it would
Speaker 1: be on the color scale. But this is just to
Speaker 1: say dominent books are books literally contain multitudes, and so
Speaker 1: you cannot reduce them down to a single color. I
Speaker 1: organized my clothing by color. That's fine, because yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for validating me. Clothes are for color. I mean,
Speaker 1: as you can see, I do not organize my books
Speaker 1: by color because I only have two books, Catch and
Speaker 1: Killed by ronan Pharaoh and Jessica Simpson's autobiography Thank You,
Speaker 1: called Open Book, Open Book, which I've read neither of them.
Speaker 1: But it's not that I only own two books. Is
Speaker 1: that all my books were in New York and I
Speaker 1: moved and you can't really books don't travel well. And
Speaker 1: of course all seven Harry Potters were too heavy to bring,
Speaker 1: uh to trivially transplant from there to here? And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't now any way, Yeah, I wouldn't. I would say,
Speaker 1: I'd rather you have two books than a hundred books
Speaker 1: and organized? Yeah. And also where would I put them
Speaker 1: at this place? Where would you put them? You? Get
Speaker 1: a bookshop? Get a bookshop. It's point, well, this has
Speaker 1: been our third summer of kunt I think it's probably
Speaker 1: one of our most thought provoking. I mean I thought
Speaker 1: we provoked thoughts for sure, absolutely, And I think that
Speaker 1: if we've left anyone with anything from this episode, it's
Speaker 1: that they have to watch Disney fairy Tale Weddings absolutely
Speaker 1: or shut up and sing Dixie Chicks? Which would you
Speaker 1: watch last night? And I actually had already seen, so
Speaker 1: I felt okay to fall asleep during it. He fell asleep.
Speaker 1: But what did you guys think of shut up and
Speaker 1: saying last night. I loved it, loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: the logistics of touring. That was my favorite part. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that was my takeaway. It was like the manager artist
Speaker 1: relationship and the meetings. I liked seeing the production meetings.
Speaker 1: I liked him that a publicist was a subject of
Speaker 1: the documents. Sandy, Sandy Burger, and she and her beautiful
Speaker 1: curls was just pacing around that rolling stone photos shipping link.
Speaker 1: I the way I can boil her down is just
Speaker 1: just in one word, no, no, no, no, that's Sandy. Well, Cindy,
Speaker 1: Cindy fag fag fucking fagot well, not any closing thoughts
Speaker 1: before we before we leave, I would say, I have
Speaker 1: a closing bot. Okay, it's gonna be the most amazing,
Speaker 1: but Sudi should have the clothing bot. I love you,
Speaker 1: we love you, thank you for coming back for a
Speaker 1: third summer of content in a fourth episode. I'm honored.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the most amazing.