1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey, Brainstuff, 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Lauren Volga Baum. Here. You know that DNA, the molecule 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: in cells that contains our unique genetic code, is inside 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of animals, but you might not have known that it 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: was floating around in the air. Neither did most scientists 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: until a recent study was published. For the article of 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: this episode is based on how Stuff Work, spoke with 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the lead author of the studying question, Dr Elizabeth Claire, 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: who's an ecologist at York University in Toronto, Canada. She explained, 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: I had been asked to write a document on how 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: environmental DNA can be used to monitor biodiversity in the future. 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: I listed soil, snow, rain, honey, even spraying foliage and 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: collecting the water that runs off. I then said and air, 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: and went looking for a case study I could describe. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: I was very surprised that there really were none. She 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: earned The Queen Mary University of London, where Claire was 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: affiliated at the time, had a funding source for high risk, 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: high reward ideas, and she proposed a project on sampling 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: environmental DNA also called e d N A in the air. 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: She said, we were surprised to see that people were 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: talking about it, but it had not been tried, so 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: we decided we should do it ourselves. At the same 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: time as Claire's study, a similar study was being carried 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: out at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark. Has to 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: Works also spoke by email with Dr Christina Lingo, whose 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: name I hope I'm pronouncing correctly, study author and a 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: researcher there who says her fellow University of Copenhagen researcher 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Christine Bouman, came up with the idea. Lingo said she 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: wanted to apply for a Danish research grant called Velam Experiment, 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: which supports crazy projects that may not work, but if 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: they do work, will revolutionize the research area. She then thought, 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: and I quote, this project has to be totally crazy, 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: like trying to detect animal DNA by vacuuming air. She 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: got the money for the project and we were able 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: to try it out. Don't worry, this is not a 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: case where one team is fighting against the other for credit. Indeed, 37 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: the fact that they were independently successful validates both studies. 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: It turns out that animal DNA is all over the place, 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and knowing this can be a helpful conservation measure, especially 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: where both endangered and invasive species are concerned. Claire's team 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: collected environmental DNA at the Hammerton's Zoo Park in the 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: UK using a low powered pump fitted with a filter. 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: She said, it's a bit like making coffee. We hope 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: the air goes through and the DNA is caught. Of course, 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: with a coffee maker, the water goes through the filter 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: and the grounds are caught. The team detected twenty five 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: different species of animals, such as tigers, lemurs, and dingoes. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: They even collected environmental DNA from animals d of meters 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: away from their testing site. The Copenhagen team also used 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: filters attached to blower fans at the Copenhagen Zoo in Denmark, 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: but in another sample opted for a water based vacuum 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: that sucked up the air particles, then filtered the water 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: to retain the DNA. Through these methods, the team found 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: evidence of forty nine animal species in the area, including fish, birds, reptiles, 55 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: amphibians and mammals. Both the English and Danish teams also 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: picked up the environmental DNA of chickens, cows, horses, and fish, 57 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: which are used for food for the zoo animals, as 58 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: well as environmental DNA from animals that lived outside the zoo, 59 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: like squirrels and hedgehogs. The results of both studies were 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: published separately in the journal Cell Biology. At this point, 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: you might be asking yourself if this is more than 62 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: just a cool party trick, but the potential is huge 63 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: for animal conservation efforts. Lingo said. By having a new 64 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: method that allows us to monitor vertebrates in a non 65 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: and ace of way, we can hopefully help monitor invasive 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: species and even endangered species that are sometimes difficult to 67 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: monitor due to their low population density. It'll be a 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: minute before this really takes off in conservation circles, though, 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: because environmental DNA research is still in its relative infancy. First, 70 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: the Copenhagen team wants to repeat the experiment in different areas. 71 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Since their initial experiment was done inside a zoo, Lingo said, 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: we expect that it will also be possible to do 73 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: it everywhere, but that is the next thing to do. 74 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: We want to know what happens in nature. At this point, 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: it's unclear how animal DNA gets into the air. Claire 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: said it may be any source of biological material. U 77 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: sloft off skin cells, bits of hair, feces urine, even 78 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: from breathing out. Potentially, we simply do not know. Environmental 79 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: DNA is only defined as any DNA we collect that's 80 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: not directly from a tissue source. We have no idea 81 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: how far it can travel, how quickly it accumulates, how 82 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: fast it degrades, and what weather or location factors might 83 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: alter this. Further tests, she says, we'll flush out the 84 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: concept to a much greater degree. Quote this will help 85 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: us figure out how we can actually deploy this method 86 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: in the real world to sample biodiversity. Today's episode is 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: based on the article scientists can suck animal DNA literally 88 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: out of thin air on how stuff works dot Com, 89 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: written by Leo Hoyt. Brain Stuff is production of by 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio in partnership with how stuff works dot Com. 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: It was produced by Tyler Clang. Four more podcasts It's 92 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the i Heart Radio app, 93 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.