1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The It's the Club addition, as 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals look to climb toward the top of the 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: AFC North as they host the Baltimore Ravens. Coming up, 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: I'll talk to a former Bengals wide receiver who is 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: making it big and broadcasting and no it's not Chris 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: collins Worth. We'll hear from Cam Taylor Britt who bows 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: to bounce back from a bad game, and Ryan Rico 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: on winning the punting job. 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Now here's a 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: this podcast delivered write to your phone tablet or computer 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: thing since Pete Rose, the baseball player. The hit King, 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: passed away this week, and he was obviously a flawed person, 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: aren't we all. But in his twenty four years as 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: a Major League baseball player, Pete Rose gave it his 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: all as much as any athlete in any sport. The 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: end result was three batting titles, an MVP Award, seventeen 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: All Star Game appearances, three World Series titles, and a 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: record four thousand, two hundred and fifty six hits. Consider this, 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Royal shortstop Bobby Witt led Major League Baseball this year 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: with two hundred eleven hits. If he did that for 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: twenty straight seasons, he would come up thirty six hit 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: shy of the hit King, a mind boggling achievement by 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: one of Cincinnati's greatest sports legends. Now let's talk football, 34 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: beginning with a former Bengal who was at the Carolina 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: game last week as a guest. A former Bengals quarterback 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Our guest is one of the quickest and 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: shiftiest wide receivers in Bengals history. Now crushing it in 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: retirement on ESPN and in Business number sixteen, Andrew Hawkins 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Hawk great to visit with you last week on ESPN 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: before the Bengals beat Carolina, you said you were not 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: writing off Cincinnati yet explain why. 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Cincinnati over the Joe Burrow tenure has 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: had slow starts to a season. Right, That's something that 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: we're always going to talk about that needs address. But 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: as you break it down, each game, there was a 46 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: different reason why they didn't get over the hump and 47 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: get a W in the column. And you know, the 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: first game, the offense didn't look great. There were moments 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: I felt that Joe could have pushed the ball down field, 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: but there was chemistry things and with Jamar coming back recently, 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: you can see wild can that took a little bit 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: for that to get going. Game two, defense played decent 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: against you know, the best quarterback, but they had faced 54 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: to this point Patrick Mahomes and the offense had their 55 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: moments as well, but a call goes differently at the 56 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: end of the game and they get a W there. 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: And then week three, the defense probably didn't, you know, 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: play the way any of us wanted. But so as 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: I looked at those three the three games, I felt like, 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: because there were all different issues each week, there was 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: an opportunity they would be able to put this together. 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: And it really did just feel like a slow start 63 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: as opposed to a football team that is not going 64 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: to be competitive in the latter part of the season. 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: And so I think they played a more complete game 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: versus the Carolina Panthers. There were moments defensively, and there 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: were some some balls that definitely went in Cincinnati's favor, 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: But overall, I still think this is a a is 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: a good team. I think there is great players here 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: and what you're what you're looking at is them trying 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: to find their chemistry. If they can, you know, get 72 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: over some of the injury bug stuff that's starting to 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: plague them. I still think that they're going to be 74 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: one of those teams late in season that you don't 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: want to see. Specifically, if Joe Burrow is healthy and 76 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: doing what Joe Burrow does well. 77 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Let me follow up on that one thing we haven't 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: heard on ESPN or any other network in recent weeks 79 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: as much talk about Joe Burrow's wrist. Does he look 80 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: basically as good as ever? 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: To you? 82 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: I think so. I think like you know, look for 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: every athlete that goes through a major injury, and I 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: went through this in my time in Cincinnati, there's like 85 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: this purgatory period when you get done, like when you 86 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: get back to full strength and health, that you're still 87 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: trying to, like, you know, convince yourself to let it go. 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: And I do think early in the season in that 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: game one area, Joe was trying to figure that out 90 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: right when the live action was out there. But I 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: do think since then, as I've watched him, it looks 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: like he has in a big way, right And the 93 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: other part of the that is encouraging is I felt 94 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: like versus Carolina, you know, they looked a little different 95 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: in their offensive attack, and Joe was okay with that. 96 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: The running backs were, you know, amazing in that game. 97 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: And I was at that game. Actually, we went down 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: to go see it because Andy was playing, and me, 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: Mohammed sanu aj Green said pierman, Vinnie Ray, Mike NuGen, 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: We all sat there and watched the game together. So 101 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: that was a really cool moment for all of us 102 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: as well. 103 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Does it do your heart good to see the red 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: rifle still slinging it fourteen years after you guys were 105 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: rookies together. 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: I can't tell you how good it did my heart. 107 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: And also I sat there I could not believe that 108 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: that guy was still playing football. As someone who's knees 109 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: crack as they walk up the stairs, I'm like, that 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: is ridiculous that you were still out there. We came 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: into the league together. 112 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: So Bengals fans enjoyed the victory over Carolina last Sunday, 113 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and then on Sunday night they watched Baltimore dismantle the 114 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and I think everybody felt a little bit 115 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: queasy just seeing how good the Ravens looked in that game. 116 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: What are some of your keys for the Bengals to 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: knock off the Ravens at pay Corps on Sunday? 118 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, they cannot let the Ravens bully them, right, And 119 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: I know that probably feels rudimentary, but if you watch 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: that offense, it is rudimentary. Like NFL football in general 121 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: is kind of evolving back to the old school. Run 122 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: games are up. It's not as pass heavy and it's 123 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: not as highly productive in the air and as it 124 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: has been in years past. And for someone like Baltimore 125 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: over the last two games, starting with Dallas and then 126 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: in the last week versus the Bills. I mean, Derrick 127 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: Henry is a modern marvel and they are very much 128 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: going to say, hey, we're going to run the ball 129 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: down your throat until you prove to us we can't. Right, 130 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: And so for Cincinnati to get them to play it honest, 131 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: to get them to like truly dig into their offensive 132 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: strategy bag, they cannot allow that run game to bully him. 133 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, it starts up front. The Ravens, like the 134 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: offensive line has started to slowly figure it out. Obviously, 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: we know they replace some pieces, but I think the 136 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: keys to their running game in the blocking or on 137 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: the perimeter with Mark Andrews and Racard. The way that 138 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: they are leading holes for Derrick Henry and almost springing 139 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: him in that second level, it's special. It's special. So 140 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: it's going to take a concentrated effort from first level, 141 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: second level, and third level to show that they are 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: stout early in this game. Otherwise they have the potential 143 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: to wear down that defense. 144 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: For the Bengals defense, help is on the way on 145 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: the defensive line. There are four injured players that should 146 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: be back soon. Maybe not this Sunday, but soon do 147 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: you see a defense that's capable of being really good? 148 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: I do, I do. I think, you know, when I 149 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: look at defenses in the NFL, it starts with, hey, 150 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: do you have the personnel right? And for me, if 151 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: you have the personnel, number two is do you have 152 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: the coaching to put them in position? And I think 153 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: they have both of those things, and you know, even 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: on the defensive side. And I know he had a 155 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: tough game last week, Cam Taylor Britt, but I think 156 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 2: he is one of the best young corners. I really 157 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: do appreciate his game. I appreciate his style. I actually 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: appreciate that he takes the chances when he does, because 159 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: to me, that shows a level of confidence. Now he understands, 160 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: and he said it in his you know interviews this 161 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: week that he has to tighten up and he can't 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: allow that no matter what that situation is. But I 163 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: do think that their personnel is figuring out how to 164 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: gel together. And what I'm hoping for versus the Ravens, 165 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: which is right when it's needed, is that the Bengals 166 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: are able to put together a complete game and that 167 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: is both offensively, defensively, and in special teams. And then 168 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: when you go a little bit more micro on the 169 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: defensive side. That is, on all three levels of the defense. 170 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: They have to be able to play as a unit. Right. 171 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: We know that all these things affect each other, secondary 172 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: effects the defensive line, the defensive line effects the secondary 173 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: and the lineback and cores and all of that. And yeah, 174 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: I think this is a big opportunity, not only because 175 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: they'll need it. It's one of those games where if 176 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: they're able to make this the game defensively, they can 177 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: put it all together, even though they're you know, there's 178 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: people injured and probably won't be a part of this game. 179 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: It will give them the confidence for the remainder of 180 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: the season. This is one of those statement games to show, look, 181 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: look what we did versus the Baltimore Ravens, and that 182 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: elevates their game for the rest of the way. 183 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: We're chatting with ESPN analyst and former Bengals wide receiver 184 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Hawkins. Let's talk about the Bengals offense. The point 185 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: total has gone up every week. They've topped thirty two 186 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: weeks in a row, and we're seeing young guys emerge, 187 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: Chase Brown at running back, Eric All at tight end. 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: Do you see an offense that's finding more ways to attack. 189 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: I am seeing an offense that's finding more ways to attack, 190 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: and I think they're also understanding the importance of that 191 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: of role as well, right, Like, we know what Jamar 192 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Chase is, we know that you know T Higgins can 193 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: step up big and will step up big when necessary, 194 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: and those big players are going to come. But to 195 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: your point the role players and saying okay, you know 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: hey versus Carolina, Yes, those moments. But there there's gonna 197 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: be some some ground and pound opportunities. Is going to 198 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: be some out of the backfield. We're going to have 199 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 2: to make catches and get first downs. We're going to 200 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: have to break tackles when it looks like we're stuffed 201 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: on the goal line, because that is what's going to 202 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: get us over the hump. And I think Joe Burrow 203 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: has done a very good job of distributing the football 204 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: right I Go's so easy for quarterbacks to get locked 205 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: in on certain guys. And the thing I love about 206 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: Joe is that he understands like, yeah he has Jamar, 207 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah he has T. But the number one receiver to 208 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: him is the guy that's open. And that is a 209 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: special quality that not a lot of quarterbacks have, especially 210 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: when things get thick and there's adversity in games. It's 211 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: so easy just to go to the easy button. But 212 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: for Joe it's I think he did an incredible job 213 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: last week. It has, honestly, I think ever since Week one, 214 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: of distributing the football in confident ways and trusting his 215 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: guys in other places. 216 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: Your short space quickness was as good as I've ever seen. 217 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: But Jamar Chase isn't too far off. And he's five 218 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: inches taller and thirty pounds heavier. What stands out to 219 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: you when you watch Numero Uno. 220 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, Jamar Chase is, you know. 221 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: And I pride myself on my ability to scout receivers 222 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: scout abilities. I can make comps, and when I watched 223 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, I actually literally just talked about this with 224 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: AJ Green. It's like he's the kind of receiver who 225 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: there's no like one thing that you look at and say, oh, 226 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: he does that great right now, he's the very best. 227 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: To your point, when you watch me, it's very clear 228 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: his quickness makes him different. That's why he could be 229 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: five seven in the NFL. With AJ Green his hand 230 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: eye coordination is on elite levels that even by NFL standards, 231 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: you don't see. There's people like most Anew who is 232 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: a strong he has very great lateral quickness for his size. 233 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: But then there's Jamar Chase who does pretty much everything 234 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: well that nothing stands out over the other ones. And 235 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: sometimes if you're just like if you just pop in 236 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: and out, it's like, oh, he's just the middle of 237 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: the pack. But then you see his speed on those plays, 238 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: like when he breaks out on the sideline, his strength 239 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: to break that tackle, his hand eye coordination, it's just 240 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: like everything is good about Jamar Chase. He's like almost 241 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: And I say this to my son, who is a 242 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: young receiver that I'm training as well, and I'm like, 243 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: he's a guy you should watch because it's like a 244 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: video game if you build a receiver. He has all 245 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: the attributes like good already that are stocked that you 246 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: want to put in your wide receiver. I think that's 247 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: what makes him special is it's not because he does 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: any one thing incredibly better than everybody else. He does 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: everything better than everybody else, and that's a special quest 250 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: for a receiver his size and his play style. 251 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: You were a Bengals fan as a kid. Your older 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: brother Artrell played for the team. You were part of 253 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: three playoff teams in a Bengals uniform. What was it 254 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: like for you to be sitting in the stands at 255 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium watching the Bengals in Super Bowl fifty six. 256 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: I cried, I'm not gonna lie. I did. I did. 257 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: I shed tears as they played the national anthem, and 258 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 2: I was sitting there because, yeah, You're not wrong, Dan. 259 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: I remember being in sixth and seventh grade, and this 260 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: is when I'm like really getting into NFL football, and 261 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of Steeler Country's country, and I'm 262 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: wearing Bengals jerseys and T shirts and you know these 263 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: are one, one, two, three win seasons, right And you 264 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: know as a sixth grader, as the seventh grader, all 265 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: you want is for your team to be good. And 266 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: I'm praying for my team to be good, and I'm 267 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: praying just to see them in the playoffs. I would 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: love to see a Hawkins jersey in the playoffs, you know. 269 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: And I remember when we played the Texans in the 270 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: playoffs in twenty eleven, like I was almost uncontrollably crimed 271 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: because it was such a full circle moment. And then 272 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: to be able to sit in the Super Bowl watch 273 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: the Bengals battle the Los Angeles Rams, I don't know, 274 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: it was a surreal moment. I consider myself a fan 275 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: before anything else, and that fandom of sport, that fandom 276 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: of football started with the Cincinnati Bengals. Man, So it 277 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: has always meant something more to me to see those 278 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: stripes out there doing well. And it's been an incredible 279 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: couple of years watching Joe kind of help take this 280 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: franchise to the place that we all knew it could 281 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: be for the last twenty plus years. 282 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Andrew, we love seeing you on ESPN. But as I 283 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you're thriving in the business world. You got 284 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: your masters at Columbia after your playing career ended. Tell 285 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: us a little bit about the business you co found 286 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: in Status Pro. 287 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. So Status Pro is a virtual 288 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: reality technology company and we build XR technology around sports 289 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: for or coaches, fans and players. And so we have 290 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: a training product that NFL teams use to simulate reps 291 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: on the field. So you put the VR headset on 292 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: or we projected on a walk through wall where you're 293 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: able to see the defense, you're able to manipulate the defense, 294 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: so everybody gets a real look of that first person 295 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: perspective they're going to see on Sundays without putting wear 296 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: and tear in their body. We also have our number 297 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: one consumer product, which is NFL pro Era, which is 298 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: the first ever NFL simulation game in virtual reality. So 299 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: you get to play quarterback, you get to play defense, 300 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: and feel what it's like to be in the NFL. 301 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: It's been an incredible journey. We founded the companies five 302 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: years ago now, and me and my co founder Troy Jones, 303 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: who is also a former Division one quarterback, we just 304 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: felt like there was an opportunity to give fans but 305 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: they've always wanted, which is to feel what it's like 306 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: to be their heroes. Like I told you those moments 307 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: when I came out of the tunnel as a Cincinnati Bengal, 308 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: having grown up a Bengal with having dreamt of that 309 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: moment my entire life, it was surreal, and so through 310 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: technow I wanted to create that experience for everybody, and 311 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: that's what NFL Pro Era is, and it's something I'm 312 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: incredibly proud of. And again those roots stem back to 313 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, my life as a lifelong Bengals fan. 314 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: We are very excited about your success. We love seeing 315 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: that Bengals helmet over your shoulder. Continued success to you, Andrew, 316 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: and thanks for the time. 317 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: Dan. It was great to see you and thank you 318 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: for having me. 319 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: Now let's turn from a former Bengals wide receiver to 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: a current Bengals defensive back, Cam Taylor. Britt has been 321 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: excellent when healthy in his first two NFL seasons. That's 322 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: why it was jarring last week to see him get 323 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: benched in the win over Carolina. The guy he was 324 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: covering was targeted six times and Cam surrendered five catches 325 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: for eighty four yards and a touchdown. DJ Turner eventually 326 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: took his place in the lineup and wound up playing 327 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: fifteen more snaps here are Zach Taylor and lou Anarumo. 328 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: That game was not up to his standard, know, and 329 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll talk more about it this week, but 330 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: you know, just just again, he's a guy that we 331 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: really lean on to be kind of a foundational piece 332 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: over there, and that certainly wasn't his best game and 333 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 4: expect more from him going on. And that wasn't up 334 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: to his standard, and I'm excited to watch how he 335 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 4: responds to that. 336 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 5: Cam will bounce back. I have all the faith in Cam. 337 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 5: He's getting a big hug right after the game and 338 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 5: like that will never happen again. And and I do 339 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 5: trust him. He's played too much good football here for 340 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: us in order for that. But again, where we're at, 341 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 5: we can't allow anything to slip. So he's one of 342 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 5: the guys that weren't counting on to play well. He's 343 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 5: demonstrated that he can and he has to. 344 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: Do it consistently, so he knows it. 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: So you know where I'll say it again, I have 346 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 5: all the faith in the world and Cam that bounce 347 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 5: back and have a good game this week. 348 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: I spoke to Cam this week about bouncing back, all right. 349 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: Lu shared the other day that after the game, you 350 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: approached him even before he like shook the other team's 351 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: hand and said, this is not gonna happen again. I 352 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: had a game, I promise you that was that. 353 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, most definitely. 354 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: Man. 355 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: You have to be a man and own up to 356 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: your mistakes at the end of the day. And that 357 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: game player that I put out there on the film 358 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: and showcasing from the world was not it U and 359 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: I believe my coaches knew that. I wanted to make 360 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: sure that he knew that that was the right of 361 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: me because the team they count on me, and I 362 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: couldn't be counted on the you know the other game. 363 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Can you describe what you think you were doing poorly? 364 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: Honestly, it was my technique, man, in my eyes, honestly, 365 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: you know, they both go together. Just trying to play 366 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: so fast that you're looking for the ball ahead of time. Basically, 367 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: you see, I got the interception, but I was looking 368 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: at the ball then, you know. But it's you can't 369 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, put your hands on the receiver downfield, even 370 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: though they try to. You won't get those calls. You know, 371 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: at the end of the day. It is offensive league, 372 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 3: and you you have to play the you know, the 373 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: ball through the air. Can't grap receivers. So that's that's 374 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: one thing I gotta do better with that. 375 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: It almost sounds like maybe guessing a little bit, trying 376 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: to anticipate something instead of just relying on the technique 377 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: that's got you this far. 378 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 3: Anticipating most definitely for a little minute, Like I said, 379 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 3: I do watch film Man. Sometimes you know when it's 380 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: coming at the end of the day. But also you 381 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: know another we're going into the second half of the season. 382 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: They're looking at film now and growing against players now. 383 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: So you guys are bad here the continued teams are 384 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: going to continue to hit you on the same thing 385 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: and double move it and you know, switch it up 386 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: here and there, knowing what you're going into. 387 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: How eager are you to play again after a game 388 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: like that? 389 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: Honestly, man, I'm surprised today. It was a great practice. Man. 390 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: Just start the week, all right, Uh, you know, just 391 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: get right for this week and redeem it. 392 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: Man. 393 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: Have you ever been taken out of a game for 394 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: something other than an injury? 395 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: Not at all, man, And I think that was one 396 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: thing that just kind of opened my eyes, because I 397 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: told you was some touch field. I didn't want to 398 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: come off of it. But in all reality, you know, 399 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we have to win 400 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: the game, and then I'm the reason for that. You 401 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: guys to understand, this is a business and it just 402 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: can't be like that, and it won't be like that. 403 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Neither Zach or Lou sounded worried. They more or less 404 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: said He's one of our best players. We're counting him 405 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: him to be that guy, and we're confident he will be. 406 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard those comments, but what 407 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: does that say to you? 408 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: Honestly, I did not hear any of that, but I 409 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: do really appreciate them for, you know, thinking that of me. 410 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: I'll try to come out here every day and put 411 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: my best foot forward. Yeah. I had a hiccup, but 412 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: there won't be too many more hiccups. 413 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: Man. 414 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: I try to do this trying to win. Man, as 415 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: a team, and like I said, the team counts on 416 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: me to be that number one guy, and I have 417 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: to do that. 418 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Looking at the Ravens, I heard Bill Belichick say this 419 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: week the challenge with them is if you go big 420 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: to stop the run game, they got fast guys. If 421 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: you go small to be fast, they've obviously got big guys. 422 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: Is that a good description of what makes them so unique? 423 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can most definitely say that. Like he basically said, Man, 424 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: it's total opposites on each end. You know, there's a 425 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: woe win situation. They're a great team and they have 426 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: the best of both worlds in the backfield. The two 427 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: two greatest duos in the backfield and now I'm on 428 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: the outside. You of course they have the speed, you know, 429 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: the run downfield, you know, take the shots off your head. 430 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 3: So you got to be very prepared for that. You know, 431 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: stop the run when it's that time, you know, take 432 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: the shots off. 433 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: When they added Derrick Henry, did you say, of course 434 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: they added Derrick Henry. 435 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of you know, we played against so before. 436 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: But you know, man, that this, you know that is 437 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: intimidating to a lot of teams. That you see that 438 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: in the backfield. You gotta garb both of those guys. 439 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: You know, you never know. Lamar Will, you know, put 440 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: his magic on and he made something happen. But down 441 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: here running game with Derek here is dangerous. 442 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 4: Will. 443 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: What's the mindset of this team in terms of the 444 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: importance of this game. 445 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: Is his playoff game? Simple? Is that we have to win. 446 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: There's no offense or us about it. 447 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: Well, Cam's looking to bounce back this week. Hunter Ryan 448 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Rico aka robo leg is looking to continue the remarkable 449 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: start to his NFL career. Ryan Rico's first punt today 450 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: went fifty seven yards. He came into the game averaging 451 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: more than fifty nine yards of punt when he launches 452 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: this one way way up in the air, Blacks year 453 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: going back back back. Wow, catching it at the fifteen, 454 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: tackled right away by Tyson Anderson. 455 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 6: Man in the Bengals bench, Mike Hilton and others come 456 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 6: to congratulate Rico. 457 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: He crutched that roboleg is averaging fifty eight point four 458 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: yards of punt with a net average of forty nine 459 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: point seven. Both numbers would be NFL single season records, 460 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: and with the release of the now healthy Brad Robbins 461 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: this week, Rico has officially won the full time job. 462 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 7: I hate the way that it happened with Brad being injured, 463 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 7: just because like it can happen to anybody, and so 464 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 7: that's never you never feel great about that, but definitely 465 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 7: grateful for the opportunity. I feel like I've been able 466 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 7: to showcase what I can do. But I feel like 467 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 7: it's like the game's not four seasons, or the season 468 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 7: isn't four games. Just need to continue every single week 469 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 7: proving exactly why I think they made the right decision. 470 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: Your numbers through four games are pretty crazy. I mean, 471 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: both your net average and your gross average would be 472 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: NFL records. That's probably hard to keep up. But do 473 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: you feel like you've been unusually good to this point 474 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: or just good? 475 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 7: I don't feel like it's been unusual. I feel like 476 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 7: in practices it's pretty pretty indicative of what's been able 477 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 7: to transfer to the field. Obviously, we haven't had a 478 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 7: whole lot of punts, so I mean, I wish I 479 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 7: could sit here and just say like, yeah, every ball 480 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 7: is gonna be be perfect. But I'm sure everybody goes 481 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 7: through a little bit ups and downs. But as as 482 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 7: for myself right now, I feel like I can really 483 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 7: stay the course and continue to just try and put 484 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 7: our team in really great positions. And I feel like 485 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 7: the net especially speaks volumes of the coverage guys. I mean, 486 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 7: our gunners are hustling, They're setting speed records every single week. 487 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 7: It seems like snaps are great, and I've really had 488 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 7: not a whole lot of pressure, which has been great 489 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 7: because our protection has been really good. So I feel 490 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 7: like it's it's been a great couple weeks as a unit. 491 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: For sure, You've hit some really good ones from deep 492 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: in your own end. Do you think that that's something 493 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: that maybe you are, you know, exceptionally good at Yeah. 494 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 7: I love I love being able to have that open field. 495 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 7: So then you're not kind of in the gray area. 496 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 7: Do I need to take a little bit off it? 497 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 7: You can kind of just swing away. And I feel 498 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 7: like Coach Simmons has really instilled a lot of that confidence, 499 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 7: just like go out and hit whatever you want, like 500 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 7: we're gonna cover it. And so I'm just really really 501 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 7: grateful that they've allowed me to play to my strengths 502 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 7: and just looking forward to hopefully continuing it. 503 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: Karon Simmons says that Rico has the most powerful leg 504 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: of anyone he's ever coached. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 505 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be the 506 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: Bengals Official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future Proof 507 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and community 508 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: to a new level, and by Kettering Health the best 509 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: care for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official 510 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now time for this week's 511 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Know the Faux Segment. Former UC football and basketball player 512 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Brad Jackson won a Super Bowl ring as a Baltimore 513 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: Ravens linebacker. He's covered the team since his playing days 514 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: ended and joined Dave Lapham and me this week on 515 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: the Bengals Game Plan Show. Let's talk about the team 516 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods. The Baltimore Ravens liked 517 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals. They started the season zero to two, lost 518 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: at home to the Raiders in the second week of 519 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: the season, and they've been good since. Went on the 520 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: road and beat Dallas, played great on Monday Night to 521 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: beat Buffalo. What changed? Why did the Ravens begin turning 522 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: it up in week three? 523 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 8: Well, I think a lot of it had to do. 524 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 8: You know, guys is with you know, when you're back 525 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 8: as against the wall. You guys know John Harball, he 526 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 8: obviously has bloodlines to the University of Cincinnati as our 527 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 8: former running back coach or recruiting coordinator. So he just 528 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 8: kind of went back to, you know, what's the hardball 529 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 8: way of just going back in and focusing on the 530 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 8: base and simplifying things. And so, you know, the lost 531 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 8: of Kansas City on the roads is a tough one. 532 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 8: We know how good Kansas City is. Opening week, like 533 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 8: you said, it was an opening day hearing Baltimore versus 534 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 8: the Raiders, and the Raiders have traditionally played awful every 535 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 8: time they came east, and they kind of got shell 536 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 8: shocked in that game. 537 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 538 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 8: And then when you're zero and two and you go 539 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 8: on the road to Dallas that everyone was expecting to 540 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 8: play better considering they had just got she lacked by 541 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 8: the Saints at home the previous week. It was it 542 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 8: was a team that had a sense of urgency and 543 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 8: had a lot of focus, and then they kind of 544 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 8: got back to as you guys know and see of 545 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 8: running the football. They kind of got away from some 546 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 8: of the little fun dipsy do types of stuff that 547 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 8: we all see throughout the NFL early in the season 548 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 8: with teams and then teams ultimately find you find out 549 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 8: who they are. And I think for the Ravens in 550 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 8: Week three, having their backs against the wall, it was, 551 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 8: let's go out there and just get back to handing 552 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 8: the ball off to Derrick Henry and let's really try 553 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 8: to ride this and take advantage of Lamar's legs and 554 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 8: his ability to and RPOs and that type of thing, 555 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 8: and then throw the plays downfield. And they had to 556 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 8: so and then they carried it over into, you know, 557 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 8: obviously last week against the Buffalo Bills, where you know, 558 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 8: they basically opening play, you know, Derrick Henry, you know, 559 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 8: goes all the way to the house eighty some yards 560 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 8: or whatever it was, and then it was over from 561 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 8: there because they just kept pounding the ball out of 562 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 8: the Buffalo Bills, who I think were kind of shell 563 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 8: shocked and there was really no answer for So that's 564 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 8: probably the two biggest things. I think. Defensively, the same thing. 565 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: You have a new. 566 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 8: Defensive coordinator in Zach Korr, who was a former player obviously, 567 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 8: Chris Hewett, you know, my bear cast teammate, is the 568 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 8: assistant head coach and the passing game coordinator. And they 569 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 8: finally have a healthy secondary. And then they lost a 570 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 8: corner this week that's going to go on ir for 571 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 8: a hamstring. So they're finding their way defensively with a 572 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 8: new defensive coordinator, even though the system is the same. 573 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 8: You've lost a couple of players, They've plugging in a 574 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 8: couple of new players. They basically and all that being said, 575 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 8: got back to playing Ravens football, which is, you know what, 576 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 8: We're going to run the football, be physical, and play 577 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 8: good defense and try to get back to five hundred, 578 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 8: which is what they were able to do. 579 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 6: Man, I'll tell you. Running the football is an understatement, 580 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 6: you know. I mean back to back games twodred and 581 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 6: seventy yards rushing or more. I mean they've done it 582 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 6: three times children seventy yards rushing or more in a 583 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: game since the start of last season. The rest of 584 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 6: the NFL zero, the rest of the NFL haven't done it. 585 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 6: They've done it three times two weeks in a row. Now, 586 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 6: I mean you talk about committing to a running game, 587 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 6: these two Henry and Jackson seven hundred and eighty eight 588 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 6: yards rushing, six point nine yards per carry, and they've 589 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 6: combined for seven touchdowns. I mean, they just they just 590 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 6: pounded submission. I mean, is ground and pounds best, didn't it? 591 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean I mean, hey, lad, you and me 592 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 8: could come back and play for this team right here, 593 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 8: right now, because here you know all about being physical 594 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 8: as an offensive lineman and the offensive line if you 595 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 8: go back and you got and I know you guys do. 596 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 8: So I'm speaking more to the to the Bengals fans 597 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 8: out there and Washington film or watching the game. The 598 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 8: offensive line was getting torched, like out here in the media. 599 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 8: They were putting moving signs, you know, in front of 600 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 8: some of these guys' houses because they were playing so bad. 601 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 8: And part of that had to do with it, because 602 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 8: they were throwing the football and the right side of 603 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 8: the offensive line was getting you know, was getting tore up. 604 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 8: I mean, we all saw the Thursday night opener. You know, 605 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 8: Chris Jones, who's probably you know, top five best defensive 606 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 8: players in the entire league, was having his way and 607 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 8: made impactful plays. The same thing happened the falling week. 608 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 8: Max Crosby comes in here and he, I mean, he 609 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 8: looked like he was a defensive player of the year, 610 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 8: you know, dominating the offensive line. And I think what 611 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 8: happened is they got back to, like you said, ground 612 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 8: and pound, run the football. They're still going to the 613 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 8: running game, but they're pulling guards, they're pulling tackles, they're 614 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 8: they're trapping guys on the interior. And we know in 615 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 8: this passing league. And then the way the game is 616 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 8: in college as much as there's not a lot of 617 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 8: guys that linebackers and d Liman are just not used 618 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 8: to seeing the old school running you know, plays of 619 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 8: you know, guards pullings and guys getting trapped. And so 620 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 8: once you're doing that, and then you got Henry you 621 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 8: let him go downhill, and we all know, you guys 622 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 8: remember him from the Titans. Once he's going downhill like 623 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 8: he's a problem. And then if you can get him 624 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 8: to go sideways, which is what the teams the first 625 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 8: two weeks did, then obviously you haven't advantaged there defensively, 626 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 8: which is what I'm sure the Bengals coaches, you know, 627 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 8: in the coordinator them, are going to have tell their 628 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 8: guys all week, we got to get him going sideways. 629 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 8: You have to get penetration. So, like you said, they 630 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 8: went back to running the football the raven way because 631 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 8: it was an opportunity and a way for them to 632 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 8: try to get this get this ship back right after 633 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 8: start zer and two because because guess what if you 634 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 8: go down to Dallas and lose in your oh and 635 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 8: three and then you got to come home and play 636 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 8: you know, the Bills, who obviously want to, you know, 637 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 8: be a playoff team. You know, at the end of 638 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 8: when all this is said and done, you know that's 639 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 8: going to be a situation of going oh and three 640 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 8: with the chance going. 641 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: Oh and four. 642 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 8: We all know, now, all of a sudden, it gets 643 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 8: real sticky around here. When a quarter of the season 644 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 8: has been lost. So they went back to the roots 645 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 8: of raven football. They went back to said, you know what, 646 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 8: let's help these offensive lineman out because we're getting torchs 647 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 8: trying to do all the nice things in the passing game, 648 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 8: and right now they're just not that good enough to 649 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 8: hold up. And they their offensive line took a beating. 650 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 8: They took it personal. And then what you do, laugh 651 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 8: is you know, when your offensive line is struggling, every 652 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 8: offensive line to play with Job and Hogen the Hall 653 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 8: of Famer and play with a lot of very good 654 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 8: Hall of you know, played against Tony Mancelli friends with lead. 655 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 8: I'm seriously all these guys that we know. You know 656 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 8: that Alan Fannico is my draft here. You know, guys 657 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 8: that I've warned to talk to, and like, what, what 658 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 8: do they love the most? You guys love to get 659 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 8: down and dirty and pound on people versus retreating and 660 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 8: pass blocking and pass blocking the whole game. You want 661 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 8: to match people in the face and impose your will. 662 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 8: And when you're able to impose your will, You've seen 663 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 8: what's able to happen in the last two weeks here 664 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 8: in Baltimore, which is then getting a ground game going 665 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 8: and now the offensive line has gotten their conference back 666 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 8: because now they're almost likely they're the bullies on the block, 667 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 8: you know, down there in the trenches. 668 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: A couple more questions for former Bearcat great and former 669 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: Raven Super Bowl winning linebacker Brad Jackson. Baltimore had a 670 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: historically good defense last year, number one in the league 671 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and fewest points allowed, number one in sacks, number one 672 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: in turnovers generated. No team had ever done that before 673 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: in those three categories, but they lost a ton of 674 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: good players. Patrick Queen has gone, Gino Stone went to 675 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals. Todevian Clowney is now with Carolina. The Bengals 676 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: saw him last week. Is there a drop off? Is 677 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: there a full area on this defense? 678 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 8: Well, I think if there's a vulnerable area, you got 679 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 8: Trent Simpsons, who obviously was a very good linebacker at 680 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 8: Clemson University. It's his first time starting because, like you said, 681 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 8: Pete Queen is off the Pittsburgh right now, and so 682 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 8: the vulnerability I think is probably up front. There hasn't 683 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 8: been a lot of pass rush. You have O Way, 684 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 8: who had a couple of big games, but right now, 685 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 8: Michael Pierce, the defensive tackle, he's probably gonna miss the 686 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 8: game this week. He was down last week shoulder surge. 687 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 8: I mean, he's a huge piece on the interior. Mama Buke, 688 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 8: as we know, was a you know, franchise and got 689 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 8: a huge contract. 690 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 6: Uh. 691 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 8: You know, one of the highest contracts were in tier 692 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 8: defensive linemen in the NFL. He's kind of been held 693 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 8: at bay. 694 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 695 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 8: They went out and brought back a couple of defensive 696 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 8: ends that they had, you know in years past, on 697 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 8: one year deal. It's just a couple of days ago, 698 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 8: uh to sign into the practice squad. So you know, 699 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 8: when you look at the defense, you know the vulnerability. 700 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 8: I would probably say there's still some area because you 701 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 8: have a couple of guys nicked up in the second 702 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 8: Kyle Hamilton has played well, but he hasn't played to 703 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 8: the elite level yet. And you know, he's kind of 704 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 8: been getting some plays here and there that people are targeting, 705 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 8: which is what's gonna happen when you're a great player 706 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 8: like he is. They have to find him out. So 707 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 8: you know, the pass rus hasn't been what they wanted. 708 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 8: Linebacker players pretty well, so they're just solid right now. 709 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 8: They're not doing anything great, and I think a lot 710 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 8: of that has to do with the fact that it 711 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 8: is a new defensive coordinator. You're still trying to figure 712 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 8: things out, like coordinators are trying to figure out what 713 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 8: is his goal to what is he like to do? 714 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 8: And I think that's where Chris Wit, you know, it's 715 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 8: been extremely helpful because, like you said, you mentioned all 716 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 8: the players that were gone, well, you also lost, like 717 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 8: you said, the defensive coordinator, Mike McDonald, the head coach 718 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 8: of Seattle. You lost Dennard Wilson, who was the assistant 719 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 8: DV coach. He went down to beat the defensive coordinator 720 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 8: in Tennessee. Anthony Weaver, the D line coach and run 721 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 8: game coordinator. He's down in Miami Dolphins as a defensive 722 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 8: coordinator there. So not only did you lose an abundance 723 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 8: of players, you lost three very important coaches and the 724 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 8: only coach that was holdover was obviously Zach or and 725 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 8: Chris Hewitt as well. 726 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: So there there's. 727 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 8: Gonna be that learning curve, and so I think the 728 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 8: vulnerabilities there to some would be that they just don't 729 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 8: have the experience and then trying they're still trying to 730 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 8: figure out what this defense can do. Well, great, but 731 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 8: we all know the Raven defense. They're gonna they're gonna 732 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 8: line up, they're gonna knock you in the mouth, they're 733 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 8: gonna come after you on in blitter quarterback. Now there's 734 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 8: gonna be no no difference this week for Burrow. You 735 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 8: know they're gonna they're gonna dolla some blitzers and get 736 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 8: after it when they need to. And then they're gonna 737 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 8: try to figure out a way to show a ton 738 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 8: of blitzes and show you crazy odd looks and then 739 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 8: dropping the zone and have a couple of fire zones 740 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 8: where it's gonna look crazy, and then all of a sudden, 741 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 8: you're gonna see the defensive live and drop out to 742 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 8: take the middle hooks in the flat. So it's still 743 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 8: the same defense, it's just early in the season and 744 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 8: I think they're also uh and you guys know this, 745 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 8: and then finding their footing on defense. The best defense 746 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 8: in the one sitting over on sideline stiffer and gatorade. 747 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 8: So when the offense is taking care of business and 748 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 8: running the football, controlling and time of possession that they're 749 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 8: able to do you and you also are able to 750 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 8: help your defense out because now the defense one isn't 751 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 8: out there, it's not getting exposed as much. The defense 752 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 8: is freshure physically, which is important early in the season 753 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 8: as guys because training camp is pretty much, you know, 754 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 8: a Christian around the league right now, so guys are 755 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 8: still getting their game legs under them, as we all 756 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 8: know this first month of the season. And then the 757 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 8: other part of it is now you help to make 758 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 8: the defense better because now the defensive goal every week 759 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 8: is one stop to one to create win third down, 760 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 8: to create turnovers and make a team one dimensional. Well, 761 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 8: guess what, when you're grounding and pounding and putting points 762 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 8: on the board, that clock is shrinking. Now all of 763 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 8: a sudden, you help your defense out because now teams 764 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 8: are starting to have to go one dimensional and throw 765 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 8: the football, which goes right into what the Ravens want 766 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 8: you to do. 767 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 6: Final question, and really appreciate your expertise. Thanks for giving 768 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 6: us some of your time. Tight end likely had nine 769 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 6: catches for one hundred eleven yards in the opener. He's 770 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 6: had four receptions in the last three games. Andrews, I 771 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 6: mean this this guy to me, I mean his uh, 772 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 6: his his toughness, his body control had been second to none. 773 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 6: Looks like he's struggling a little bit. What is going on? 774 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 6: I mean, obviously they're running the football, so you know 775 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 6: you can't you can't do both. You got to do 776 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 6: one of the other. And numbers are gonna suffer a 777 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 6: little bit in that passing attack. But in particular is Andrews. 778 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 6: Is he still struggling physically or is he up to snuff? 779 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a great question, lab. I mean, they're keeping 780 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 8: everything tight to the vest. I've been to the building, 781 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 8: been you know, been out there, and I kind of 782 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 8: noticed the same thing. He he doesn't seem like he's 783 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 8: running with the same as he did prior to obviously 784 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 8: him breaking his leg last year. I gave you guys 785 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 8: the Bengals in that game here, I believe it was Thursday. 786 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: Night football, and so. 787 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. I think there's still some lingering effects 788 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 8: that that we all know that Heat rushed to come back, 789 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 8: and I shouldn't say rushed, but he was a to 790 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 8: come back in time for the playoffs because he really 791 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 8: wanted to play. And I know you've had you know, 792 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 8: six seven months since then. But I also look at it, 793 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 8: as you know, is it a situation that he's just 794 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 8: not one hundred percent. The other part of the teams 795 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 8: understand that, you know, in order to beat Lamar, you 796 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 8: have to take away his security blak. There's no there's 797 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 8: no question obviously that Mark Andrews is one of the 798 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 8: best tight ends of football and that's been a huge 799 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 8: part of Lamar's comfortability is having him to throw to. 800 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 8: So teams are also taking him away when you watch 801 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 8: him of the film, which is smart for them. And 802 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 8: then you know, it's obviously turned into a situation that 803 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 8: was part of the reason why the passing game was 804 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 8: struggling in the first couple of weeks when the Ravens 805 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 8: lost a couple of games, because like you said, you know, 806 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 8: he's sitting here with six catches on the season. He 807 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 8: usually does that in a half, you know, in the 808 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 8: normal game, and he had no touchdowns this year, and 809 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 8: he doesn't seem to be running the same So I 810 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 8: think there is probably something there. I think a lot 811 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 8: of it has to do with him being doubled and 812 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 8: taken out of the mix right now. And then obviously 813 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 8: the last couple of weeks being down you know, er 814 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 8: to two, it was it was a big push to 815 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 8: try to get this this shit back righted and they 816 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 8: really committed to the run game, and then Likely has 817 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 8: been a benefactor obviously the first couple of weeks of 818 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 8: the season because of the fact that Mark was pretty 819 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 8: much taken out the game plan by the defenses, because 820 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 8: they were like, if somebody's going to beat this, it's 821 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 8: not going to be Andrews, it's not going to be 822 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 8: eighty nine. And then you know, Likely stepped up, you know, 823 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 8: a couple of weeks, and then now they've been focused 824 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 8: on the run. So I think that I think it 825 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 8: all opened backed up for him. Obviously for you guys, 826 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 8: you hope it's not this week, but I think I 827 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 8: think down the road, once you get to that running 828 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 8: game and start to play action, I think that you 829 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 8: could see. I think you could see the old Mark 830 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 8: Andrews re emerged, all right. 831 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: Thanks to Brad Jackson ED. 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