WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 113 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.880 Alzone Media. 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.800 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.480 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.559 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.400 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.880 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.840 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:22.639 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.400 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.920 All right. It is the official it could happen here 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.920 predictions episode, And to start off here at Gear has 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.279 some of our wins and some of our losses from 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.080 last year's That's right. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.159 I took a peek back at our predictions of the 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.640 past to see how correct we are. We got all 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.320 of them right, Great job, folks, Let's continue on. No, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.680 I will say, obviously the big dub for the year 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.320 goes to Sophie, who said that Kissinger would die. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.160 Yeah, you got that one, said that. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:54.760 Good. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.320 Thank you for reminding me that I'm a genius. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:00:59.120 Wow. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.960 We all said to know, there's no chance he's too 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:07.080 psychically powerful, but you maintained, and it turns out all 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.160 we needed was a little hope. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:09.080 That's all we needed. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.440 Wow, I really should use these powers. I mean, I 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:12.840 don't know. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.760 You're going to take out next Yeah. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:15.920 We'll get there. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.640 Who your prediction might death prediction for us? 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.640 Just for funzies, We once had a side note we 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.280 once had back in the beginning times when we actually 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.160 went to an office. God at at at I heard 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.520 we once had a prediction of when George H. H W. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.280 Bush was going to die and I was also right. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.440 So oh, okay, well, Sophie, now you have to be 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.800 very careful, which one guess, very careful. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.000 Yeah, I've been watching hard. I've been watching the show You, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.680 which is primarily about how being a serial killer is 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:53.720 a great idea, and I feel I feel whyting like 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:59.880 White Woman was that so that I can protect myself 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.240 in case Sophie is secretly murdering people, which would just 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.120 two in a row, two in a row. That's all 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.040 I'm gonna say. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:10.880 If I was, it would be in your honor. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:16.359 So so let's talk about two things Robert got wrong Robert. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.360 Robert said that there was a decent chance, which I 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.280 think there was, but it just didn't happen that Nick 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.160 Fuentes and Kanye West would die together in under some 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:26.120 mysterious circus. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.560 I still feel like that favor, so I think we 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.520 I still think we got a shot. I honestly I 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.839 think so too. But it didn't happen last year. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.680 The other thing Robert predicted is that there would be 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.160 a SKA total supremacy that obviously didn't happen. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.560 That that happened. I'm sorry that happened. Did you miss 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.799 me informing Cody Johnston about the Mighty Mighty Bosstones George 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.880 Floyd album this year? 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.800 Because I did, and it was you, unfortunately did And 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:56.240 if you have. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.960 A one of the worst things to say happened to human. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.639 Gun, Yes, please continue. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.600 It's Mia predicted that there would be kind of a 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.400 new sort of like DeSantis style Republican challenger approaching. I 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.040 think Ramswami perfectly fits the sort of thing that Mea 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.280 was talking about, and this is the kind of new 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:17.520 figure that enters politics. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.160 But he also kind of gives Andrew Yang in a 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:22.080 way as well. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.560 Sure sure, sure, yeah, yeah, he's he's the fascist Andrew Yang. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.959 He's fascist Andrew Yang, and he's insufferable. He's in fucking insufferable. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.200 Yeah yeah, massive, so fucking insufferable. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.000 Mia also predicted that Mike Pence would try to run 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.800 for president. The rest of us disagreed and was Nea 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.440 was proving, Yeah, that was easy. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.720 For fifty percent on that. I don't know how much 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.520 we'd say he really ran for president. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.880 He jogged at most, and then he realized the only 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.040 person that would vote for him was mother. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:03:59.960 And then he was. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.440 Like, I don't think she would. Yeah, I think she'll 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.240 say she will, but she's gonna she's gonna pull the 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.839 lever for Trump at the end of the day. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:10.440 Yeah they are. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.080 Let's talk about some deaths. Mia said that Nom Chansky 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.200 would die. Sharen said Joe Biden would die. I think 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:17.960 although they didn't physically. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.120 Die, the last. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:27.760 Vestige of their like respectability basically count right. Basically they 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.839 torpedoed all the the last bit of like uh respect 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:33.520 they had. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.240 For for for people who would typically be aligned with them. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.280 Roughly, Biden has just been he's looked like he's on 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.440 death death's door for forever. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.599 I similarly thought that Stephen Crowder was gonna die and 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.400 instead he just he just kind of metaphorically died because 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.360 he made up a series of horrible business decisions and 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.400 now is ostracized from much of the online right, So 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:57.000 that's cool. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:57.960 Now. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.320 The one that Sophie's upset about is that she she 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.039 wanted Crypto dot Com to lose the name of the 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:09.159 arena instead instead the Miami Instead, the Miami Heat Arena 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.279 is no longer called the FTX Arena. I'm happy about 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.239 that as well. Crypto dot Com is still holding strong. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.479 So so there we go, and I. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.240 Take that very personally and it is Staple Center, Thank 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:21.880 you so much. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.920 Now, I will say that's I feel like I'm going 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:32.400 to roll that prediction in the next year. Let's run 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:34.320 death prediction as well. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.200 James James said that there'd be more immigration bullshit, which 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.120 obviously happened, as James has been covering that most of 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.479 this last year. Also, James said that Twitter would die, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.880 which is true because it's no longer Twitter. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.440 It's no longer Twitter. Correct, It's just like it's just 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.880 like how Henry Kissinger changed his name. So true. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.680 Yeah, No, I will say the most impressive kind of 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.919 niche prediction, this is the last one, came from Sharen 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.280 oh Sharene said that there would be the return of 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.800 the flip phone, and searches for flip phones were up 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.520 fifteen thousand percent last year among jung z and millennials, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.839 and foldable phones sold forty four percent more compared to 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.680 twenty twenty two. So three really was the return of 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.640 the flip phone. So there we go. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.120 I think it's going to continue because of what's happening, 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.680 it will go and all the tension that's going on 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.960 over there. I think we're going to continue seeing a 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.560 switch away from iPhones. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.480 So that's that's proof of why we are all completely 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.000 trustworthy and never wal wrongs. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.120 And what were you wrong about? Garrison? 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:44.000 Oh yeah, you really skipped over your bit, Garrison. Oh, I. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.040 Thought that Harry Styles would would there'd be some damning 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.280 information that come out and he would just plummet. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.040 Unfortunately that didn't happen. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.960 The Styles is still is still hanging in there, so 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.680 Styling here's to hopin. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.640 Hey, So Sophie's favorite musician, not. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.599 My favorite musician, but it puts on a good show. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.560 All right, all right. Predictions for this next year, Oh wait, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.400 I I need to take one. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.920 I need to take one other l which is that 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.760 I significantly overestimated my countrymen, and I thought that we'd 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.040 see another wave of revolts from people dying from COVID 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.480 in China and we didn't. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.600 I don't know why country would suck ass like everyone else. Yeah, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.760 that's because that's because COVID is not real. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.880 All right, Well, let's uh, let's let's blaze past that 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.560 one and. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.680 When we get back, when we get back from this 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.720 uh this break, we're gonna we're gonna start going through 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.160 some predictions. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.960 And we are back. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.000 Yeah, So that's why I just don't really think the 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:57.200 vaccines were it. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.440 So twenty twenty four is in a election year, obviously, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.840 so there will be some election related predictions. Let's do 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.240 I don't want to immediately just go to like who's 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.600 gonna win. Let's do some V picks. Yeah, let's let's 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.520 do some VP picks because this is this is gonna 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.360 be a Joe Biden versus Trump race, right like, unless 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.000 one of them drops dead before November. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:28.400 Ideally murder suicide. That's that's my hope for them for once. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:29.680 I don't disagree with Robert, But. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.560 Do we think that Kamala Harris is gonna it's gonna 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.559 it's gonna stick in? Uh, the the Democrat VP spots. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.480 Got so it's hard to imagine she wouldn't. She's a 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.160 dog ship candidate, Like, yeah, their best The best person 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.960 I think they could run is Witmer. Like if i'm 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.719 if I'm like war gaming the Democratic Party trying to 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.600 give him the best shot. It's throwing Witmer in. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.120 But Joe Biden at least make a Really Joe, it's 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.640 gonna he's gonna stick. He's gonna stick with Kamala for sure. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.640 Yes, yeah, which is unfortunate because. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.960 There's bet definitely better that. It's like, definitely, I wouldn't 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.160 say better. There's definitely like more strategic people that But 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.640 I mean, if we were going by strategy, we wouldn't 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.760 the Democrat. I mean, yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't be 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.160 Biden Trump again, if we were going by what's best 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.520 for the country. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:22.160 Sure. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.960 As for Trump, last year, I said that I think 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.800 herschel Walker could be a potential of VP ban, which 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.560 I think is still true, but there's not as not 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:33.600 as much as it used to be. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.600 Trump Trump would become the third organization to become completely 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:43.240 screwed by picking herschel Walker, like three executive organizations have 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.199 bet everything on herschel Walker had lost. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.600 That's the biggest thing is that is that Trump doesn't 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.400 like losers and herschel Walker is kind of only ever lost. Now, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:56.360 obviously we've talked about this before. The Ramaswami's is maybe 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.920 a potential, but he could be too loud for Trump. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.840 He could kind of steal the spotlight. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.880 He's not the attention. Okay, does each person want to yea, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.600 does each person want to go around? Let's go around 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.480 the horn? So, so, Garrison, who is your pick? 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.680 I mean, I was mostly tossing between Favec and herschel Walker, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.520 but I it's I'm not confident in either of those. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.320 But there's there's no other names that really come to mind, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.520 because most of the other people on the debate stage 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.480 either were too hostile to Trump or just didn't seem 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.400 like people Trump would really get behind. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:43.640 M Yeah, I think Bobby Kennedy, I think you could 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.200 actually do it. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.400 I think Okay, Admittedly, admittedly, my biggest reason for thinking 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.360 this is not actual political analysis is. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.520 That we live in the dumbest of all possible world. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.200 Dumbest world is Bobby Kennedy. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.160 That is that that is true, This is this is 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.160 the dumbest timeline. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.360 Yeah, maybe Nicky Haley if he can overcome. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:09.400 Just like, yeah, but with Haley, Hailey's been kind of 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.800 not like attacking Trump fully, but she has not been 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.960 super pro Trump on this stage. I think she may 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.200 have alienated him too much. I was also thinking, like, 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.600 you know, who's like, uh a more like docile woman 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.160 that Trump would want to run beside. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.960 But yeah, but Nick Haley has has the reach that 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.080 I think she'd smart him. And like everyone is against 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.560 every candidate until they're picked for fucking VP. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:38.320 Yeah, I think. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.120 I think that there's there's several different people that he 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.640 could pick. He could pick uh, Carrie Lake, he could 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.720 pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders, he could pick oh man, what 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.360 is that governor's name, Christine Yes, I think thank you, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.520 thank you. He could pick Christine. No. But like there's 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.800 if he's gonna go woman, he's gonna go I think 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.240 one of those three because I think he's already bad mouth. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.600 He's already bad mouthed Nikki Hayley enough. But I think 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.760 I think what's what people are forgetting is he might 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.360 just pick somebody that he knows won't turn on him. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.280 He might just pick his fucking daughter. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.560 Like I was gonna say, I was gonna say actually 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.160 his I mean he might, he might. He might pick 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.280 Jared Kushner, the cush bomb. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:34.280 Yeah, let's get that. That's the fucking election I want. Robert, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.280 Do you have a pick? I mean, I suspect he's 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.760 that that Biden and fucking Harris are going to run. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.599 Although you know, again, if I'm talking about who I 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.520 think actually would be the smart pick for the dims, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.840 it's Whitmer and or Andy Basheer, who's the Democratic governor 0:12:53.920 --> 0:13:00.320 of uh Kentucky. Super popular, like really good at talking 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:05.800 to kind of working class voters, has been successful in 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.439 a red state. We're in this weird situation where almost 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.679 anyone kind of assides Kamala Harris who were to run 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.840 against Trump would win easily. And if Trump were to 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.040 be replaced by like Nicky Hayley, she would just absolutely 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.400 pants Biden. This is what all of the data shows 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.760 at the moment. So we're in this really odd moment 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.040 of like we have. It's like it's the opposite of 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.679 the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. It's like the 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.440 very mobile object meeting the very light force. They're both 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.600 just sort of sliding around the room. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.319 Coughing baby versus coughing baby. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.520 Yeah. Yeah, it's two babies with tuberculosis in a steel 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.960 cage while Joe Rogan narrates the fight, which I would 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.920 watch a country. So I don't know. I don't know 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.440 who the fuck Trump is going to pick. Uh yeah, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.920 probably probably his daughter Jacob. He might you know, I 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.640 wouldn't be I wouldn't be wildly shocked if he were 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.880 to go with christ what's her name? She ran as 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.040 a Democrat last time. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:18.760 But I did think about that too. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.120 She's sucking mental now, she's she's been out of her mind. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.120 I think shocked. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.920 I think that she's a regular Fox News contributor. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.440 Yeah, I think he doesn't want someone who is like. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.840 He hates Fox News now Theolarity until they avaked him. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.560 He needs unpopular enough that I think Trump might see 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:44.320 him as a loser. Tolci's not a loser. She's also 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.880 not a threat to him being in the spotlight, and 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.560 he he might decide to roll those bones. Yeah, I 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.360 did think about that. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.320 All right, do we do we want to switch over 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:58.680 to another category? 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.840 Gear? Sure? 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.760 Does anybody have a general prediction that they would like 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:06.240 to share? 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.920 Sure? I think a daily wire host is gonna. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.480 Have something funny happen to them, any anything related to 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.960 based on how much like there's gonna be probably a 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.120 whole bunch of rallies happening in twenty twenty four in 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.080 a leading to the election, I think there's can be 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.480 a lot more on the ground stuff that than there 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.680 was in twenty twenty three. I think animosity has only 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.360 really risen these past three years, and I think that 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.120 we could see the return of pieing as a as 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.080 a as a widespread tactic. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.360 God God from your mouth to God's er scar. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:51.280 So you can you can put that one together, all. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.080 Right, I'll go my prediction as a two part and 0:15:55.200 --> 0:16:00.760 it falls under the Kim ye Oh my first My 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:05.680 first prediction is that Kanye people are going to forget. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.240 People are going to forget he's going to put out 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.720 a new album. Uh, and people because he's already started 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.800 to like do the thing that Kanye does where he 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.800 plays plays an album at a random club and or 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.440 plays a listening party event. And yeah, people are going 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.200 to forget He's gonna He's gonna do that. And then 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.720 Kim has been hanging out with Ivanka a lot, and 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.960 she is almost in law school, and I think she 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.840 is going to have some kind of a feeler into the. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.880 Field of politics this year. Oh my god, what if 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:38.360 she's VP. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.520 I actually that thought actually did go through my brain. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:44.200 But I don't think. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.840 I don't think she's there yet. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:47.840 But we are not ready. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.800 We are not ready for a Trump Kardashian ticket. I'm sorry, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.880 I am moving. I am moving back to Canada. That's 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.000 simply not happening. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.240 The reality TV ticket would be, you know, just so 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.280 America of us. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:09.640 This is then. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.160 Trump would have technologed the Armenian genocide, would make relations 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.320 with Turkey very difficult. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.920 That was she would and vice presidency would be very 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.359 good for our media. It would for the goods, it 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.080 would be amazing. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.040 But like, but like, since since Trump's been out of office, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.720 Ivanka kind of went underground, and you know, most people 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.600 have not been seen with her. And in the last 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.920 couple of months, she has been photographed with Kim. Kim 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.040 has posted her. They've been doing things together, they've been 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:43.000 coordinating outfits. It's yeah, and so I think we might 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.920 see some kind of thing between the two of them 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.400 there or Kim is going to start making her way 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.960 into a political career of some kind. Yeah, although I 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.960 do think that not you know, some of the work 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.320 that she's done helping getting innocent folks out out of 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.560 prison has been pretty dupe. I will say now that 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.600 is my prediction the kimyer. 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.000 I hate this country. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.320 I think we probably will go back. We just did 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.080 this episode spoiler. We're recording in twenty thirty three. I 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.000 predict that by this time next year we will probably 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.520 go back to something approaching title forty two, which will 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.359 be terrible given that, like as Robert said, kind of 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.840 we're seeing increased conflicts all over the world. People are 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.160 coming here, they won't be able to that will have 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.280 massively destabilizing an influence on Mexico as it did last time, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:42.119 an impact on Mexico. I'm also really what my concern 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.480 prediction this year is violence against migrants in places where 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.200 they're extremely vulnerable as we go through the election cycle, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.160 which will never to be demonize them from both fucking parties. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.800 So that's become a really big especially with this stupid 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.359 practice of bussing people across the country and then dumping 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:02.840 them onto the streets like that. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:11.359 That's my big concern for twenty four Yeah, uh, you 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:12.000 know what, fuck it? 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.719 I can be wrong, all right, So my this is 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:19.160 my this is my my, a thing that I've been 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.520 waiting for to happen. That's gonna be one of the 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.560 just most one of the worst things that's gonna happen. Eventually, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.119 at some point this is gonna happen. We're going to 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.600 get an attempt by the Republicans to seriously come after 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.159 interracial marriage, and it is going to form the most 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.280 insane political coalitions you have ever heard of in your 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.680 entire life. It is going to be like this nightmare 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.160 word coalition of just like the open white supremacists, the 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.440 like Asian MRA people, a bunch of like you're gonna 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.719 see a bunch of these completely deranged, like career like 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.879 nom like nominally left wing Korean at no nationalist groups. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.840 I you're gonna see like the like Andrew Tate people. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.720 There's gonna be this. It's gonna to have this this 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:06.240 just absolute nightmare coalition behind it. It probably won't work, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.000 but it is going to be one of the worst things. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.240 And I don't know if I I hope it doesn't 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.320 happen next year, but I think I think the election 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.760 year someone could actually decide that this is going to 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.000 be the time they're going to try and do it. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:20.080 That. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.439 That is the sort of shit that I when I 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.920 think about, like what could upset the election in Joe 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.399 Biden's favor, it would be the Republicans launching a crusade 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.520 like that and like too hard, too fast, yeah, and 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.879 on something that like everyone up until the moment it happens, 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.159 would assume was just not up for debate, right, Like, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.359 I don't know it might happen if they let go 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.560 after gay marriage, but everyone's kind of braced for that. 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.920 If they were if they were to launch a crusade 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.000 against interracial marriage, Yeah, that is the kind of thing 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.720 that might might just sink them. Everyone might just go, well, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.600 I guess we have to u for Biden again because 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:58.879 this is just out of its mind. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.800 I mean, one thing that Republicans have been talking more about, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.600 and I think it's maybe possible that there'll be one 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.560 or two states that that actually moves on this is 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.119 abolishing no fault divorce. I think that is something that 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.960 could happen in like one or two red states this year. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.960 I don't know how much that would actually impact national elections, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.280 but that is something I think the Republicans are starting 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:24.359 to focus more on. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:32.280 Specifically like Republican media influencers, largely because they all have 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:37.320 had their wives leave them. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:43.719 Chariny Well, yeah, I do think that flip phones are 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:44.880 going to continue being. 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.480 Popular, especially dumbling down. 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:48.239 No. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.040 I mean, I'm first of all, I was right. Second 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.320 of all, I have a couple ones I hope aren't true, 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:54.159 but I think they will be. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:55.119 Uh. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.800 I have a feeling that and I think there's gonna 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.480 be something similar to the Muslim band but in specific 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.480 like about Palaesi in Israel. I think that there's going 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:10.720 to be something scary that targets and entire people that 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.480 I don't want to be true, but it just feels 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.480 like we're we're going up that route. 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.159 So I feel like there's gonna I have. 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.040 I have a thing about what that's going to be. 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:20.960 I think I think what's going to be. And this 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.439 is something we've been seeing in Florida. There's going to 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.920 be a giant push to ban Chinese citizens and mooting 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.120 property because this is this is already happening in Florida. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.320 There's there's been this whole and like like like Florida's 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.040 right now in the process of doing this thing where 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.440 they're trying to prevent people who spent like one year 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.600 in uh in China from like being a universities. I 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.280 think it's going to be this giant like they're they're 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.240 they're going to do one of these like Chinese people 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:47.280 can own property things. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.240 Yeah, I didn't know that. That's really unsettling. 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.920 They're closer than you would sink to already doing a 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.280 version of a Muslim band not targeting Palestine. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.640 But well and Trump has promised in countries that's. 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.760 What I mean, that's it happened before, Like why wouldn't 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:04.240 it happen again. It just feels really unsettling that it's 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:05.840 that's the possibility of it happening again. 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.160 Well, and Trump has promised that if he wins again, 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.440 where he's moving straight to deportation of Muslims, Like, I 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.120 think we will like that that he's he said that 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:17.159 that's what we're gonna do. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:22.240 I also think that there's going to be an uproar 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.480 about a historical figure who is white being played by 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.040 a black person. Another another one of those. 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:35.479 Yeah, I mean that's like every week already, it's already starting. Charine, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.320 you are correct, because next year what Denzel is going 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.440 to be planning playing Hannibal Barka in a movie about 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.840 the Second Punic War, which any person who is not 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.879 out of their mind is like, that's inspired. He's the 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:54.480 possible person playing that guy. But it's going to piss 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.960 off a bunch of people, even though even James. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.439 But we're the one who listened to that James Bond podcast, right. 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.680 Kill James Bond the name of the podcast. Yeah, okay, 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.119 I just gotta say this, tea girl, James Bond. It 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:07.800 would set the world on fire. It would be the 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.360 funniest thing that's ever happened. 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.680 Yes, do it? God? 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.800 Yeah, yeah that way. Yeah, the Civil Wolf will begin 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.359 because of trans James Bond. 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.200 So true, so true. I see. I take a different tact, 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.640 which is that we should find the most Cajun man 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.320 alive and finally give the people what they want, which 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.359 is Cajun James Bond. I mean that would also go hard, 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.560 like James Bond making a like instead of instead of 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.880 a Martini shaken not stir, and he likes a nice 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.680 ETU fe like, come on, let's do it, let's let's 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:43.440 be heroes. 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.679 I I know we wanted to close with the with 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.240 the with the death segment. I think because of Kissinger, 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.400 we already took so many dubs there that I one 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:57.040 thing that is on my mind is surely it's possible 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.720 there'll be more kind of protests pop the mobilizations like 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.399 this summer before the election. But I'm more interested in 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.679 what's gonna happen after the election, because no matter who wins, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.600 which either I already don't have a strong feeling one 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.160 way or another, there's potentials for Obviously, if Trump wins, 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:13.800 I think they'll be. 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.160 Massive another January sixth type event. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.720 If pussy hats are gonna come back. If Trump wins, 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:25.040 there will be win that's my prediction. They'll be like 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.199 probably at least two strong weeks of intense rioting across 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.800 the country. Yeah, I think we'll see more firm suppression 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.119 than we did in twenty twenty in a lot of cases, 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.480 which will be interesting because at this point Biden will 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.880 still be technically in charge, but everyone's going to treat 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.160 it like it's a Trump problem. On the other hand, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.159 if Biden wins, are we going to get stopped to 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.160 steal too? Or will a second or will or will 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.600 a second defeat in a row almost be more of 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.880 like a death kneel for this sort of like mega mobilization. 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:56.720 I get that. 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.000 I think that that's also a possibility that too low 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.159 is in a row could just just like disillusion a 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.560 whole bunch of people who otherwise kind of want to 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:06.560 do a stop still too. 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.879 But it may just it may just not happen. 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:14.200 We literally can we can't. We can't. Let pick more, judge. 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.760 I'll tell you what will happen. Uh is because I 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.040 I I am aware of the predictive programming that the 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:23.280 Obamas have been putting out movie leave the world behind. 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.760 We're gonna we're gonna have a military coup and they're 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.720 going to use the Havana syndrome gun to make while 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.800 they while they re you know, fix fix politics one 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.959 way or the other. Don't know which side is going 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.680 to do it, but somebody is going to drop the 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:39.840 Havana syndrome gun. 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.560 Yeah. Let's let's take a quick break and come back 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:53.960 with our death predictions. How does that sound? Everybody? 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:57.359 And we're back. 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.760 Robert, Who's gonna die? Who's gonna die? Robert Roberts. 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.600 Uh, you know what my pick this year is? Everybody, 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.119 I think this is the year we all get it. 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:09.160 I think, uh, somebody's gonna push push the button and finally, finally, 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.760 the world's atomic stockpile will bring us all sweet release. 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.960 Okay, my my serious prediction. I think Putin will be assassinated. 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.520 That'd be cool, dude, I was going to say, I 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.240 have a feeling that there's going to be some type 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.520 of assassination that will like rock the world. 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:29.359 Yeah, decent chance of sod eats it. Still, I think, God, 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.840 you know, the only reason I wouldn't say that, that's 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.520 like the guy I most want to see die in 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.240 the world and probably won't be until he does. But 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:44.000 like aired one's up there. But asad just nobody, nobody 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.960 else has that body count right now, no one can 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.760 touch him. That's the thing. That's the thing. Babe's going 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.200 for it. But still he's got to kill. I mean, 0:27:53.280 --> 0:28:00.439 like like that, I I just don't know he's he's 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.720 a survivor. Unfortunately, like you have to, you do kind 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.960 of have to acknowledge that about him, Like homologous Vigor, 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:12.120 he's pretty good at not getting killed so far. I 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:16.880 just don't know whereas like Putin hasn't really been tested 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.880 this way yet and I I do kind of think, yeah, 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.560 I think that there's there's a chance. I don't know that. 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:24.639 I think it's a high chance. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.840 Sure, yeah, I mean I think every day we get 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.200 close and closer to an Elon Musk overdose. 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:37.359 Well and all and our lives so so true. 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:37.600 Ja. 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.840 Yeah, my prediction is that with the will of God, 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.480 Morrissey will finally fucking die and rid us if he's 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.360 annoying bullshit, Oh my god, because. 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:52.600 Wow, not that that is not what I was expecting, sir. 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.240 Yeah, in Chilla, we will see the end of Morrissey 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.760 this year. Friends, has everybody? 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.920 Has everybody gone? Because is it? Marturn? With my with 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:01.480 my power? 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.920 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I really. 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:10.400 I'm not saying more Sea. I really thought about this, 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:16.480 and it's time. It's time, David, Misscavage, It's fucking time. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:22.760 Okay he said it first. Maybe from the person who 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:27.080 predicted Kissinger. Yeah, and someone else. She picked someone else, right, 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:28.200 who else did you get, Sophy? 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.080 I don't know who else did I get? 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.920 I I don't have anything you said something about when 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.000 you were in the office. Oh, George H. W. 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:41.320 Bush, Oh yeah, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, we could be 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:42.000 two for two here. 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.880 But but I think I think it's it's gonna be 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.560 a misscavage. But you know that. But you know he'll 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:49.960 just jump into another body. 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.200 But you know what, I wish. This is a wish 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:57.760 that I don't think will come true. But uh, McConnell, 0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:58.160 I think. 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.800 I mean that it seems very likely he has a 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.239 short circuit in front of a camera. Yeah we have 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.040 he will die live on TV. 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.800 When we have seen the android flip on and off 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.040 multiple times, I think it's very clear that one day 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:15.680 he just won't boot back up. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.800 What she could die too. I think I think McConnell's 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:23.280 gonna die the way he lived with Fintanel that got 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.360 snuck into his heroin. You know, that's that's just I think. 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:34.000 And on that note, Turtle bye bye, are we free? 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:34.640 We're free? 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:45.640 Bye? 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.360 Welcome to It could happen here. It is twenty twenty four. 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.880 A lie, it's twenty twenty three. 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.960 Robert has just pissed everybody off for the last three 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.400 minutes and fourteen seconds. 0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:02.280 That listener Sophie is gaslighting you. It is until December when. 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.480 They listen to this, it'll be twenty twenty four. 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:05.880 You don't know that. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.719 I do know that I'm in charge. Okay, moving on, 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.480 We're going to do some listener questions today, but I 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.960 just wanted to, you know, give a shout out to 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.640 each member of our team. We have Shrien lani Enis, 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.480 we have James Stout, we have Mio Wong, we have 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.200 Garrison Davis, and we have Big Bobby E. 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.920 That's right, that's right. 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.080 And we're going to answer some listener questions. Thank you 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.560 for those, to those who have submitted, anybody else want 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:30.840 to say anything before I start? 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:38.560 Besides Robert, thank you about half of those. Yeah, you 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:43.560 need to have a chat with yourselves. You know who 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.560 you are. I don't think they do. I don't think 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:52.560 our listeners are very self actualized. All right, Sophie take 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.240 it away to each of you. 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.880 Any book recommendations for introduction to anarchist history and or theory. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:31:59.720 If I may. 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.280 There's a book called Great Anarchists by Dog Section Press. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.800 It's written by Ruth Kinner, who's been on the podcast. 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:11.640 It's got very short bios of different great anarchists. I 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.480 think you will enjoy it. I think you can get 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.400 the PDF for free online. I like to print them 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.040 out and put them in as little libraries that rich 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.480 people like to have in their neighborhoods and red pill them, 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.440 black pilled them slowly that way. So yeah, great. Anarchists 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.880 by dog Section Press. From Dog Section Press by Ruth McKinnon. 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:33.000 My one is kind of it's slightly more specialized, but 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.840 Anarchism in Latin America is a great book. Also, the 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.239 cover is just gorgeous, so you'll have that around all 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:40.560 the time. But yeah, it's really good. 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:40.920 It's great. 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.080 Basically it goes country by countries through Latin America and 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.200 talk about athor anarchist movements and it's great. 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:52.640 Yeah, it's not it's sort of anarchists, I suppose. But 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.040 I've been doing a lot of union stuff recently, so 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.960 I've been thinking a lot about the concept of work, 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.600 so I have kind of returned to this really good 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.680 book I think put out titled work, very very basic 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:09.520 look into sort of like anarchist almost like anti work theory. 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.520 It's just a nice book to interrogate how the concept 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.800 of like work in labor exists in your own head. 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:18.520 I've appreciated that one through the years. 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:20.600 Sharin or Robert, either of you. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:25.600 I second all those answers amazing answers everybody, Well, and. 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.480 I cannot read, so I'm gonna second those answers. 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.080 Robert recommends the book, isn't it like the No God's 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:37.520 No Master's Akpress one with the Chaos Stars. 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:42.160 Yeah, that's got a lot of like old anarchist essays 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.479 and shit, starting in like the eighteen hundreds, So if 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.000 you're interested in that kind of history, you can read that, 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:48.479 all right. 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.040 The next question, I think this will be different depending 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.640 on the type of episode and like what show people 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.000 are writing it for. But I got several different people asking, 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.440 you know, how long it takes to research rate like 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:05.240 an average episode, So we're talking like not talking like 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.120 a series such as Garrison's Stop Coop City series, but 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:13.319 like an average episode where you're talking about something and 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.600 it's a scripted episode, but you're talking about something. 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.120 Sure, Yeah, I mean some episodes take months, if but 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.560 an average episode usually if I'm putting it together, it 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.480 might take me like four days from start to completion. 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:34.440 Like I'm thinking of my of my DeSantis fast Wave episodes. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.120 Usually you'll have like maybe two days of more research 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.160 and then two days of like well, then like one 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.440 day of like scripting, and then editing that script on 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.879 like the fourth day and then you record. So yeah, 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.839 maybe maybe around that. I mean some episodes come together faster, 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.840 some episodes come together longer. It really really varies. 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.719 Shoot shoo, Yeah, I would agree with that timeline. I 0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.839 think three to four days sounds about right. I've been 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:04.399 trying to take an extra day just to read through 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:08.120 the script, like multiple times, just because I've been it's 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:09.600 just better for like my performance. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:10.760 It's like, where does that sounds? 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:11.480 So? 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.760 Yeah, I would say, like when you write a script, 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.879 the worst thing you can do is immediately read it 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:19.480 after you've finished writing it. 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.839 And I've made that mistake before. I would definitely have 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:26.200 so taking time is important. 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.000 Yeah, James mea Robert, anything you want to add. 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.120 I spent thirty five years preparing for the sheet Pocas. 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.360 Yeah, it really depends on the episode. If it's an interviewer, 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.040 I'll spend maybe a couple of hours, you know, studying 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.759 up on everything the person has said. If it's a 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.399 scripted episode, a scripted half hour to forty five minutes 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.400 of the show is generally five to seven pages. That's 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.279 maybe an hour or two to write, and then four 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.200 to six hours of research, which although it kind of depends, 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.360 you know, because a lot of it's based on just 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.600 sort of like ongoing research, right where whereas like something 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.360 will happen in the news and we'll do some studying 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.360 up on that event, but we're also keeping in touch 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.720 with like like when we have episodes on terrorist attacks 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:20.799 and whatnot. Like I don't know how to actually like 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.520 lay out how much time goes into those episodes, because 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.400 it's a large part of it is just the process 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.840 of like keeping up with the way terror is evolving 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.200 in America. We will have beats, right, Like we will 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:34.799 have that we just keep up with. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.480 Yeah, Like we're not counting all the time that we 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:41.480 spend like in telegram just like watching right but the 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:46.560 gram but yeah, yeah, sure sing second time this year 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.400 Garrison's found themselves too old to understand a youth reference. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:56.719 My next question, what conspiracy theory or unsolved mystery do 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:58.279 each of you believe in? 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.920 The dangerous question and first answer on air, Yeah. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.120 Yeah, I just want to point out that Garrison sent 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.560 me this question to ask, so it must be an 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:16.120 answer in mind. Yeah, are a Garrison danger Davis? 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:22.799 Okay, Well, I I don't know what what even I'm 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:24.560 not sure if I believe in anything that would be 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.239 classified as a conspiracy theory, I would have to I 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:29.279 would have to think on this. 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.319 Actually, I don't know. I don't believe in it. I 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.120 fucking love Bohemian Grove stuff. 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.160 It's like one of the ogs you know, from like 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.560 the beginnings of the Internet, and it just can't get 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.279 enough about people who have just never deviated from the 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.000 Bohemian growth. That dude who went there with the combination 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.960 AR fifteen shotgun and tried to destroy Bohemian Grove legend. 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.680 I love reading about that stuff. It's nonsense, but it's fun. 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.719 I mean, like I actually have Oh oh no, go 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.440 please okay, or we're doing we're doing We're doing this one. 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:01.799 Okay. 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.319 If you if you were on the live show, you've 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.880 heard this. You were not on the live show. You 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:05.919 have which is that? 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:06.520 Okay? 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:10.640 From from from the late nineteen seventies until the early 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.320 nineteen eighties when it was busted by the Italian police, 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.880 the Italian government is run by a rogue Masonic lodge 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.879 called the Peach Organization. God, I know it's propaganda due 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:20.800 very various elements. 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.160 Okay. So there's this thing going on here. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.279 There's various elements use the Red Brigades as as a 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.040 way to assassinate Eldo Morrow. They take them to a 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:33.160 hotel that is like it's run by like one of 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:34.640 the Red cardinals is one of those sort of the 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.680 communist cardinals is like in this building is like a 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:40.200 NATO weapons is like someone a NATO weapons dealer. 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:45.600 An Italian general of the regulaser. I think I see 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.359 a red laser hovering over. This is all real? 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:54.520 This was right, Look, this is the raight three. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.560 It's the thing is the thing is that? 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.520 Okay, so every conspiracy theory on earth is real, but 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.759 it was only real from about nineteen seventy seven to 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.000 nineteen eighty three in Italy, Like all of them are 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:12.239 there at the same time, like during the alder Morro assassination, 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.320 like the the two groups trying to free Elder Morrow 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.359 are the Pope on the one hand, and then well 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:24.120 iatually Sadure's there's the Pope who's working through an Israeli 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.640 guy in the castnet, and the other for him is. 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.480 It's the pfl piece. She's got one of them, the pup. 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.279 What he had gotten, Okay, like one of the one 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.120 of the one of the guys who make sures, who 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.520 make sure that the elder Morrow dies is he's like 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.200 a now and he's now insane Alex Jones conspiracy guy, 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:46.359 Like he's on Alex Jones all the time. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.440 He was like, he's the hostage. Yeah, yeah, he's the guy. 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:49.160 That guy. 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.760 Yeah, he's a he's a regular fixture. Yeah. 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.600 So like the people try to kill it. Like the 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:58.000 both the US the Soviets, independently of each other, are 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.160 both trying to make sure this guy dies. Same with 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.440 the East Germans, the fucking oh what's it called, the 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:09.000 miner Mainhoff group, the weird Germany also revolves all right. 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.000 Meanwhile, I am I am a nine to eleven truther. 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.000 Uh in there, God, I don't believe that when you 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.040 call nine to one one it goes anywhere. I think. 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:22.959 I think they're just hooking you up to an AI. 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:24.520 It's it's a con people. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.480 Oh shit, Rudy Giuliani has to pay those Georgia election 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.759 workers one hundred and fifty million dollars. 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.440 I feel like he's got that. Yeah, I feel like 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.480 he's got that hanging around. It will be good. 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.160 No, but he literally defamed the ship out of those lovely, 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:41.920 lovely people. 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.040 He I mean, defamation is like of what he does. 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:50.560 Okay, new new favorite conspiracy theory. Panera Bread made the 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:55.879 deadly lemonade on purpose, as are whatever who cares wait genocide. 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:59.400 That's where we see. I fully support the lemonade that 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.680 kills you. I think we need more lemonade that kills Pete. 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.080 We're gonna take a quick guide break. We'll be right back, 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:22.120 and we are back. What are you most excited to 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.120 work on this year? Slashould be a part of create. 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.279 What are we most excited to work on? Next year? 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:34.239 And I've been stockpiling a lot of and so I 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.200 I I got some plans. I got some plans. I 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.359 got some plans. Do we believe or not? That's that's 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.920 the real question. I don't know. That's that's someone else's 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.280 job to decide. 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.640 I can tell you from experience that the ATF will 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.759 visit your employer if you conclude instructions on how. 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.560 To make in your in your work. It's legal. Go ahead, 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.040 and they'll still believe you. 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:56.880 Go ahead, Garrison. 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.200 I'm planning to attend a whole bunch of more kind 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:05.319 of occult conferences or paranormal conventions and and get get 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:09.319 more into the high strangeness world this year. That's that's 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.040 something I'm I'm excited about. 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:16.360 I'm really excited. We're launching a weekly show with Jimmie 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.719 Loftus starting in the spring that I'm very excited to 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.840 be producing. So look out for that. 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.040 I Okay, I've been working on this for a fucking 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.120 year now, but it's coming next year, which is my 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:32.800 episodes on the lab leak stuff. 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.879 I have a corkboard that makes that entire Italy. 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:38.640 Corkboard. 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:44.760 I've spent so many hours talking to epidemiologists losing my mind. 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.960 But it's coming, it will happen. I'm very excited about it. 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.359 You you have been talking about these episodes for quite a. 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:58.279 While, literally a year. It's Robert I have agreed to 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.200 do a podcast that is going to be a nightmare, 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.520 but you'll you'll all love it. You'll all love it 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.840 as it ruins my life. And uh, I don't know, 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:10.360 probably eventually the Robert E. Lee episodes, we'll get those out. 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.440 You know what I've been doing. I've been working on 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.120 a te Lawrence series of episodes, so that I'm very 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:20.640 excited about. Amazing Lawrence of Arabia, the guy who invented 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.200 the concept of insurgency. So that'll that'll be good. That'll 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:26.000 be a good series. 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.560 I hope Robert and I get to go back to 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:34.360 me and Ma and do maybe a visit to some 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.680 different groups. That would be cool. I would like that. 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.000 I'm excited to do more migration stuff. Yeah, spend more 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:45.680 time and on different parts of the migration journey, because 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:46.880 I think that's something I've wanted to do for a 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:47.879 long time, and. 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.720 Like I've seen a lot of people do really shitty 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:51.440 versions of it. 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.680 So I'm excited to give you a cracket at not 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.839 doing a cringe voyeuristic. 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:56.239 Version of that. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.960 Everyone else have an answer to that? Did your answer, Shreanny, 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:02.360 I didn't. 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:04.799 I feel like I have two answers, like one, I'm 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.360 not excited at all, because I feel like the most 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.880 when I'm most motivated, it's when i'm the most angry, 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.560 and so I'm not excited for things to make me 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.840 angry and upset. But I am looking forward to I 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:18.680 think I like when I have people on that are 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.239 like experts or they have knowledge that I don't, and 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.799 so I like the possibility of having more conversations that 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.600 are enlightening, I suppose. And yeah, I also I would 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.200 like to talk more about corn and food, so maybe 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:34.000 I should focus on that. 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.279 Maybe I should focus on something could happen here. 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.400 Yeah, yeah, that's that's something I look forward to, something 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:40.279 to be fun. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.200 We definitely want to do more farm animal episodes, yes, 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.920 and food, more food episodes. But no, you bring up 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.439 a good point about how this kind of whole show 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.879 works is that all of the best stuff we make, 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.879 in my opinion, is always related to things that we're 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.200 passionate about, and passion can come in a few forms. 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:03.080 Anger something that is a big driver of passion, but that's, 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.640 you know, usually less fun. So it's always nice and 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.640 we can be able to cover something that we are 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.040 passionate about, but it comes from not a place of anger, 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.120 but it comes from a place of like, like like 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:14.800 genuine like intense interest. 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.920 Yeah, like, I genuinely love corn. 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.440 I loved the conversation about sheep, So I look forward 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.000 to the possibility of making things not just when I'm 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.839 like enraged and more when I'm like that's a good point. 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.000 That's a good point that passion can can come from 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.319 different things. Because I was just as passionate talk about 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.080 corn than I was to talk about an important thing 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:35.520 that happened. 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.080 So yeah, I have I have a specific question that 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.400 I vetted to James ahead of time, which is, do 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.239 you have any stories about meeting fans or listeners? I 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:45.719 r l. 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:47.480 I do. 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:52.960 I'm not just stepping on to you. Please approach Robbit 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.319 when he's buying groceries. But but yeah, yeah, no, dou 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:56.600 do it. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:56.879 Don't. 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:02.000 He's very ticulish. I always armed in the grocery store, 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.360 so please don't do that. That's why you kind of 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.280 tickle them. Don't tick or rubber guys. It's weird. 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.719 Yeah, so loads of people are not loads, but a 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.520 lot of people who've listened to our podcast who come 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.040 to help in Aucumber, and they're all very nice, and 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.520 I've enjoyed building Gortz and making sandwiches and ladeling out 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:22.040 beans with them immensely, and it genuinely does make me 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:25.280 really happy because it can like when we do the podcast, 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:28.640 we see like each other in our little rooms and 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:30.560 then it just goes out into the ether and you 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:31.560 never know who's listening. 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:33.680 And so it's really cool when people listen and. 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.200 Then like show up and do something that meaningfully makes 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.000 the world a better place, and that makes me feel 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:39.640 very hopeful. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:41.960 And that's another like passion thing. 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:46.040 Like I think, especially the mutual aid stuff we've done 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.200 at the border, it makes me feel really hopeful that 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:50.640 like we can do things just fine without the state 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:55.160 and without the resources of masters of capital and without 0:46:55.200 --> 0:47:00.279 any major sort of orcs or like institutions behind death, 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.560 Like we can just help each other and do amazing things. 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:06.080 So, yeah, when people show up for that, it's cool. 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.920 Slightly way when they show up listening to the podcast 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.320 and I hear myself in their car is it's not okay? 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.360 But other than that, yeah, I trying to catch up 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:18.600 with those people. Yeah, yeah, I too would be trying 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:19.920 to catch up if I had to listen to all 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:20.839 the stuff we put out. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.600 I think it's honestly really cool that people show up 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.080 for that kind of stuff. It makes it, It makes 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.400 so much of the weird parts of being a podcast 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.160 host worth it when stuff like that. 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.480 Yeah, that's been something that that me has been pointing 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.800 out recently, how we seem to be one of in 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.480 terms of like, you know, podcasts that that that cover 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.719 the sorts of things we do. We're our fan base 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.760 seems to be relatively offline in a lot of ways, 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.360 and a lot of a lot of them. Actually, a 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.000 lot of the people actually do a lot of real 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.960 world stuff, which is great. Like that's that that That's 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.360 kind of the entire point is that most of the 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.960 things we talk about, there's there's there's he said, you 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:05.520 have the power to change it in small ways. You know, 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:09.120 it's no like large immediate effects, like you solve the 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:13.359 problem immediately, but there's there's always small things that can 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.960 that can slowly change the tide of many of the 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.080 problems that we discuss every day. 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.320 Yeah, we're gonna through to an ad break here. Unless 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:26.279 you have Cooler Zone Media and Android listeners. That is 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.560 coming soon. It's a little bit out of our control 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.760 on that end, but we do ask about it constantly 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.400 and it will be happening. 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.600 If you have a Cooler Zone account, you cannot die. 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.799 That's fun, that's a good it's the true fact. So 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.879 purchase it, render yourself immune to the passage of time, 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:56.960 and we're back. 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:03.160 I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask what's everyone's favorite Christmas movie? 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.960 Okay, so I I have already talked about my annual 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.799 Batman Returns watch party, which was a great, a great 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:16.759 success this year. It was a big hit. I made tons. 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.840 I made about probably like four dozen lot because it 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:20.680 was a lot of fun. 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:26.719 We got to wow, Wow, Robert, you show this for 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:33.040 jobs kind of humor. That's crazy, what a dub. 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:35.920 But no, we got I got a nice group of 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:40.040 people to to google at Danny Dibrito vomiting black U 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.799 for approximately two hours. So that was a big win. 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.560 It's it's by far the best Christmas movie in my 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:47.359 in my no. 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.080 I agree, it's my favorite one by far, and Bangery, 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:52.920 me and my family have lost it consistently since I 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:54.480 was like a child like but like since I was 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.520 like two years old. Oh, we just were obsessed with it. 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.200 And I don't remember if you said this last year, 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.520 and I already this is like a repeat of the conversation. 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.839 But I agree, that's the best Christmas movie I can 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:04.160 think of. 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:08.520 Yeah, Michael Keaton, total domination. Here we go. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:15.000 Best best Batman by miles. He's just miles away from So. 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.640 When I was growing up, my parents used to ditch 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:19.560 my brother and I and go to the Laker game on. 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:27.880 Christmas and we just explained so much. Yeah, so much, Sophie. 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:31.000 I'm sorry, Like I love you, I love your parents 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:34.719 and I and I respect it. But my brother and 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.920 I used to watch like we would spend the entire 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:38.920 day watching all the like Hobbin and Lord of the 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:39.600 Rings movies. 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:40.960 Nice. 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.239 That just feels that feels like Christmas to me. 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.480 Sure, Yeah, especially especially the animated ones definitely have that 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.160 kind of like fantasy jolly kind of feel. 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:50.640 Totally. 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:55.160 Yeah, I yeah, anybody else. 0:50:56.760 --> 0:51:00.120 I like to watch love actually, but it's very pretty dreams. 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:00.800 It's so basic of you. 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:01.680 I know. 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.759 Yeah, I'm secretly basic white lady. Every time I watch 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.320 you into something else problematic that I hadn't previously fought before. 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.200 And it's getting to a point where I should probably 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:13.240 stop talking about it in public. 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:14.040 That's amazing. 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.919 Yeah, now the audience knows who the biggest wife guy 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:18.600 on the team is. 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:25.759 Definitely Javes. This is a question for Robert, looking back 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.200 on season one, if it could happen here, do you 0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:31.160 still see a second civil American Civil War as a 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.360 likely or plausible event in our near future? 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.279 Yeah, I mean I think it's possible. We're going to 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.319 look back on where we are right now as the 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:45.000 earlier stages of it. Right, civil conflict is pretty widespread. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.560 I think one of the differences, like, for example, one 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:52.760 of the big differences with that the Texas, California, Waians 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:57.520 Yeah four Civil War movie is it's it's clearly imagining 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:01.520 like a large scale military conflict. I don't find that 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:06.560 particularly likely. But you do have one major political party 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.719 stating that when we take power in twenty twenty four, 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.120 are guy's going to act as a dictator. He's going 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:17.560 to imprison and execute his political opponents. And you have 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:23.640 widespread acts of violence and violent threats that are occurring 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:30.400 as part of a as part of the political conflicts 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.680 that have existed in this country for a while, they've 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:37.720 all transitioned to being kind of explicitly acts of public 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.440 violence or at least public threats of violence. You're seeing 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:43.360 this around, for example, a lot of the discourse surrounding 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.439 what's happening in Gaza. Right, you just had that case 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.440 where like some fucking like grade school teacher threatened to 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:54.400 cut a student's throat for criticizing Israel. Like the degree 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:59.560 to which people who are if you'll forgive the less 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:03.440 technical or pieces of shit feel emboldened to use and 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:08.160 threaten violence in the furtherance of their political agendas. Is 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.880 something we may wind up seeing. Is like, yeah, we 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:14.600 were in it by this point. So again I'm not 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.320 a believer, and a big part of it could happen 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.680 here is like I don't I don't think any mass 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.879 civil conflict in the United States is going to be 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:27.200 armies fighting over states, right, yeah, because that's that's simply 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:32.279 not realistic. But I do think we are in what 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:37.080 any reasonable person would call a mass civil conflict. And 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:39.920 you know, my big question is whether or not we're 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:43.960 going to see it as a civil conflict or as 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:50.680 an extension of a global conflict which includes outright shooting 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:57.080 wars but also mass information warfare. In this kind of 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:03.600 planetary struggle between the idea at least if not the 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:10.480 promise that democracy is the kind of goal, and the 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.520 strongly held belief by large groups of people that we 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:19.719 need an authoritarian system governed effectively by the people who 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.120 are presently in power. Right, you are seeing this kind 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.759 of struggle between the idea that we should have a 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.120 system in which people are allowed to pick their leaders 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.200 and this idea that, like the winners of the last 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.360 twenty years of capitalism and politics, should be able to 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:38.279 solidify their hold forever. So my big question is whether 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:40.160 or not we're going to come to see where we 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:44.720 are right now as the early stages of a civil 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:47.960 conflict that's going to get progressively more violent and have 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.960 a progressively higher body count. Or are we going to 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:56.800 see this as part of a global military and political 0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:00.040 struggle that is going to kind of shake out the 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:04.200 next hundred years of kind of the political status quo 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.479 on Earth, and in a similar way to like World 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:10.000 War Two, you know, more or less laid out the 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:11.799 next eighty or ninety or something like that. 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:15.839 I've got two more questions. 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:17.400 Sounds good. 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.840 First, do you each of you have a favorite episode 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:22.480 you've put out? 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.040 We're all trying not to say the come episode the 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:29.600 same time. I really have. 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.200 I have some really bad at all, really some bad news. 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.160 That was the most I just downloaded episode of Yeah. 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:42.239 Yeah, Everybody loves Look, Everybody loves loves talking about Come Yeah? 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:47.480 Are you fucking s I'm with you, Sharinye with you? 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:49.560 Sorry, So I have you've been out voted. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.920 I'm never I'm never out voted I have ultimate veto powers. 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:59.520 Guys to struggle was talking about right here. 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:02.759 Side disgusting. 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:07.239 I mean, it's it's certainly hard to even pick one 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:08.600 episode just from this year. 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:13.200 I mean, but it's the com episode. Yeah. 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.920 I will say this episode was fun to put together. 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:21.839 I we we really delved into the the trenches there 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:23.880 that few. 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.280 Would you say it would you say? It really came together. 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.239 I'm gonna I'm going to answer these questions for each 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.040 of you with each of your work, because I'm a 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:42.799 fucking professional. Garrisons Skopcop City. Where has been just that 0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.080 I really tell I tell this to go out. They're 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:48.480 the most amazing storyteller. You really feel like you are. 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.560 You're able to visualize everything going on with the words 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.480 that they say, and I think it's an important story 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:59.360 that they've been on top of since the beginning. I 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.400 don't think any covers labor issues in the way that 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:06.920 Mia does, and I think Mia has really done that 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.200 in twenty twenty three, and we'll continue that in twenty 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:12.120 twenty four in a way that's not being covered in 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.720 mainstream media. And I think that those stories are extremely 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:20.440 important and have made a significant impact on labor and 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:27.840 union culture and strikes and fighting for what's right. James Man, 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.120 It's like I want to say, I want to say 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:33.000 the work you do at the border, but I really 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:37.520 love when you talk about things that are silly, and 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:40.520 I think they're equally as important. But James, James talking 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.320 about sheep and the joy that James had when he 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:46.960 talked about sheep is really special. 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:48.000 But also the. 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:51.560 Work that you've done talking about the word MEMR and 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:55.680 helping people at the border has been extremely impactful to 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:56.320 our listeners. 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:57.960 Shoe Shoe. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.000 Is a historical almanac to all things in the Middle 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:09.160 East and has I think educated not just the audience 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.680 but also all of us on things that really everyone 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:16.680 should know. And I think that she's brilliant and I 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:17.600 love you. 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:25.600 She read Robert, Hey, Sophie, it's the cup episode, right, 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.560 That's definitely not the episode. 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.880 But it's really hard to pick my favorite Robert episode 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:34.000 because I record with him like most days. But I 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:38.280 think that what Robert has done specifically within Bastards in 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:41.840 twenty twenty three was really get on top of the 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:45.560 bastards we're all surviving right now, which I think he 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:49.680 did a really great job talking about Andrew Tait. I 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.120 think he did an incredible job getting an episode out 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:57.760 immediately about Stockton Rush, the guy who killed these people 0:58:57.800 --> 0:58:58.120 under the. 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.840 Submersial really really the hero of the year, right, the 0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:06.240 guy responsible for the great feel good story of twenty 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.959 twenty three. So much better a time we need, we need. 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.280 I feel like we can solve most of the world's 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:16.040 problems with another eleven or so of those subs. And 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:20.600 it is true, and a similar socioeconomic group on board them. 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:22.840 You're definitely not not wrong there. 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:26.240 I'd just like to say, you know, if you're wondering 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.160 why the New York Times in the Washington Post are 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:32.560 too big a cowards to do a come episode like 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.560 we did. You know, there's an old quote. If you 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:41.080 want to know who rules, you ask who you can't criticize. 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.560 That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying, Garrison, I 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:46.600 see you, I see you doubting me. But you know 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:51.320 it's true. You know it's true. Anyways, Yeah, it's a 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:59.040 slash no fat All right, that's should ask another question, 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.680 But like, really, what's what's the point. 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.560 What's the point we've climax guys, Sweeten, Oh my god, 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:07.360 thank you, James. 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:07.600 Thank you. 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:12.600 I appreciate the teamwork James. Someone had to. 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.840 Robert, but my my apologies to Ian for this night. 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:18.640 We have an edit. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:24.439 But yeah, anybody have any final thoughts, anything, anything, James, 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:26.040 do you have anything you want to plug in terms 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:27.520 of donations or anything? 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:27.880 Yeah? 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:31.520 I do, actually, uh so we have a fundraiser for 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:32.560 what we're doing at the border. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.520 It would be really lovely if. 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:37.320 You could give us some of your money because I 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:39.800 have spent all of the money that I have, uh 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:42.760 and some money that I don't have. It's GoFundMe dot 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:48.000 com slash cucumber hyphen migrant hyphen camps or TinyURL dot 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:49.600 com slash border aid. 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:52.400 G f M. How do they spell cucumber. 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.880 That's a good question because that's c U M b 1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:01.800 A so like it's Spanish. Yeah, you can also tiny 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:06.400 rl slash border aid, g FM, TinyURL dot com. 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:08.080 That's that's an easy one to remember. 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:12.960 Great, and we'll be back tomorrow. This is a daily show. 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:27.280 Bye, hello everyone, and welcome to it Could Happen Here podcast, 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:31.000 returning from our holiday break to discuss the exciting topic 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:35.360 of infectious diseases in Gaza and for that we're joined 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:39.360 by an all star cast of experts. We have joining 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:43.640 us today Saskia Popescu, who's an infectious disease epidemiologist and 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.080 assistant professor at the University of Maryland. 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:48.960 Welcome Saska, Thank you for joining us. 1:01:49.720 --> 1:01:50.720 Thanks so much for having me. 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.760 Yeah, of course, yeah, you're welcome. It's not just you. 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.920 We've also got Cave Carve is back. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:02.240 I'm back, baby, that's actually my first time. This is Sharene. 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.439 Also i'm here. This is my first time meeting Cove. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:05.680 So this is a real trick. 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.840 Yeah, sure, I've done you wrong, Sharen, I'm sorry I 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.280 didn't introduce you. That's okay, it's probably in the description 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:15.240 or something that I'm here. No one's yeah, make a 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:17.240 valuable contribution. People will know you're here. 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:20.080 But yeah, it's all of us, And yeah, we're talking 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.840 today because like I think the origin, sorry, of this 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.560 particular episode is like a few weeks ago, there was 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:29.680 a very funny thing on the internet about people in 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:34.520 the I d F getting diarrhea, which is funny object. 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:36.880 That's what the dn id F stands for. Actually, yeah, 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:42.320 the kid to saying, but sorry, no, it's donny. 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:48.640 Don't you ever apologize. Yeah, yeah, you do, not apologize for. 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:53.000 Any opportunity just to ship on them. You're good. 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:56.280 Yeah, expect many. It's half an hour at least of this. 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:00.920 Don't be driving because you might laugh too much. But no, 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:03.240 it's very funny. It's the name of our group chat. 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.320 It's the as really Diarrhea Forces. But aside from that, 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.840 like this raises a more important question, right, which is 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:14.640 that people in Gaza don't have access to very many 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:18.680 medical supplies to begin with. Weird things are embargoed like 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:20.880 tornic keys, which you've spoken about in this podcast before. 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:25.400 They also have obviously a very resource constrained environment to 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.000 begin with, and then a number of their hospitals have 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:31.840 been bombed since then, which obviously further reduces their access 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.840 to medical care. Also, they have less aclos to things 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:38.440 like running water now because they're being bombed to an 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:42.680 incredible degree. And so Saskia has joined us today to 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:46.080 like explain the risk of the spread of infectious disease, 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:48.600 maybe give us an update on like what's already happening 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:51.200 and the risks of what could happen. So I guess 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:53.600 maybe we should start off with really basic stuff and 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:57.360 explain what infectious diseases are and like how they're different 1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:00.840 from noncommunical diseases gets people aren't familiar, would one if 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:01.560 you like to do. 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:05.120 That, Yeah, I'm happy to so infectious diseases, you know, 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.960 when we talk about diseases in general, as you mentioned, 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:11.160 there are chronic diseases, things like diabetes, cancer. When we 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:14.480 talk about infectious diseases, meaning they're communicable for the most part, 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:17.840 that means that they are spread through various sources human 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:21.600 to human, like influenza. There's things like anthrax that you 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:26.920 can equali Campellobacter that you can get from soil, from food, 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:31.440 and the zoonotic diseases that they are also spread through animals, 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:36.560 so things like ebola mirrors which is Middle East respiratory syndrome, coronavirus. 1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:42.520 So infectious diseases are viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, and they 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.560 really love to take advantage of high stress environments for 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.840 bread and unfortunately this is one of them. So this 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:51.920 is a very What we see with infectious diseases a 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:56.720 lot is that conflict and environments where people are stressed, 1:04:56.720 --> 1:05:01.440 resources are stressed, and the environment is under continuous bombardment. 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:08.040 There's densely populated spaces, no access to health, clean food, 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:09.960 and water, et cetera. I mean, I could probably go 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:12.360 on for five minutes about what makes an infectious disease spread, 1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:15.240 is going to amplify it. So these are diseases that 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:17.480 take advantage of these environments. 1:05:18.720 --> 1:05:22.520 I'll add that the situation is just a perfect setup 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:27.600 for infectious disease to run rampant. There's over one point 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:31.560 nine million people that have been displaced. Of that, one 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:35.040 point four million are living in overcrowded shelters at this point. 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:39.080 And in the best scenario from what I've seen, there's 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:41.960 one toilet for every two hundred and twenty people. Now, 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:43.520 if you ever lived in like a house of like 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:47.640 five people and there's like one case of diarrhea, you'll 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.640 realize how terrible that is. Now you amplify that to 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:52.920 two hundred and twenty at the minimum, and that's the 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.120 best case scenario. I've heard its highest one per seven 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:58.520 hundred people in some places. And then you know, people 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:00.160 have to go in the streets, they have to know 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:03.000 where there's water supplies, and you're you're going to be 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:06.080 infecting those areas. There's one shower for every like four thousand, 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.080 five hundred people again in best case scenario. So it's 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:13.000 a huge number of people getting concentrated into smaller and 1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:17.160 smaller areas and without the infrastructure there to handle that 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:20.000 in any way. And when that happens, I mean, we 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:22.760 are going to see I am really worried about seeing 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:26.320 in the end of this more depths from infectious disease 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.160 than from the bombardments. 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:32.600 Yeah, well, that's that's like a It almost feels like 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.640 a double another weapon that they're that they're that they've 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:38.480 used because they're not letting them have a chance to 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:42.480 recuperate or have a sanitary place to do surgeries or anything. 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:47.560 Because if they're doing surgery with unsanitary conditions, they can 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:49.720 get infect like the wounds can get infected, and that's 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:52.960 a whole nother thing. Or even just like having waste 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:55.960 in the street, like making it, like having it fester. 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:59.840 It just it's it's really I think people forget that 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:04.920 it's not just like a building was destroyed, people were killed. 1:07:05.000 --> 1:07:09.600 It's there's lasting effects that linger for probably generations. 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:12.440 You know. It's just I don't know what really is infuriating. 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:16.320 I think the crazy part is the World Health organization. 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:19.440 So the WHO recently released some data as to what 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:21.600 is being reported to them in terms of disease, and 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:23.919 they said, so far, Now keep in mind these are 1:07:23.960 --> 1:07:26.439 just reported numbers, and that means it's just the tip 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:29.240 of the iceberg. In most cases, one hundred thousand cases 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:33.080 of diarrhea and those are in young children, So half 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:34.680 of those are in young children out of the age 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:37.280 of five, which means it can be deadly. And this 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.440 number is just twenty five percent higher than what we 1:07:40.480 --> 1:07:45.040 have seen reported pre conflict. And in terms of respiratory infections, 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.840 the things like covid, influenza and pneumonia, one hundred and 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:52.840 fifty thousand cases. And that's just the numbers that we 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:55.240 know about. But we're also seeing cases and outbreaks of 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:59.880 things like meningitis, skin rashes, babies, LCE, chicken pox, which 1:07:59.920 --> 1:08:03.080 is highly infectious. And you know, we worry in those 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:06.640 cases about when people are in these close quarters and 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:08.920 their bodies are already strained, because one thing we do 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:13.640 know is that when your bodies physiologically under stress meaning 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:18.240 no sleep, malnutrition, you know, not access to clean water 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.479 to wash your hands, not you're dehydrated, et cetera, you're 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:24.880 at an increased risk for disease and severe disease. So 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:26.880 that means that people are at higher risk to get 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:28.920 it and then to spread it in these environments, and 1:08:28.920 --> 1:08:31.400 that's what's really scary because it becomes a hot spot 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.920 for transmission. And you mentioned that this feels like a 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:39.240 secondary effect in many ways. It's almost like a secondary conflict, 1:08:39.320 --> 1:08:43.080 if you will, and one that will leave lasting implications 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.280 because what we do know is that disease and conflict 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:48.080 go hand in hand. When I think about it a lot, 1:08:48.160 --> 1:08:50.960 it's and we've seen this unfortunately throughout time, is that 1:08:51.080 --> 1:08:55.160 conflict can bring disease and it can amplify disease. When 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:57.360 I say bring disease, we know that people in these 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:01.160 spaces soldiers can bring in disease that are reinspread around. 1:09:01.200 --> 1:09:04.280 But we've also seen sexually transmitted diseases in the past 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:07.960 being spread through sexual assault and sexual violence, and that's 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:11.200 one thing I definitely worry about it. Unfortunately, we know 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:13.880 that's happening and it's not something we're going to see 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:16.640 reported for a while, but things like that can and 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.160 do occur, and it's a very scary situation. 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:22.240 If I can tack on a little bit to the 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:26.280 diarrhea subject here because I am a GI and liver doc. 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:29.439 I mean, in a typical month in Gaza, there is 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.519 about two thousand cases of diarrhea and kids under five, 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:35.839 and in the last month there was over forty thousand cases. 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.879 And for kids that aren't getting water, they're not getting 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:42.600 the recommended amount of like daily water, like it's like 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:45.640 seven to eight leaders in refugee situations is what's recommended. 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:48.320 These people are getting like one to two leaders per 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.519 whole families, so they're not staying hydrated. And these are 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.320 kids that are most vulnerable. That's the part that is 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:56.880 really hard for me. And I've actually seen people sort 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.840 of downclay it, like just like, well, diarrhea, you know, 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:01.200 that's what you get, but in these situations, it's it's 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:03.880 going to be very serious for these kids. And the 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:06.559 other thing we're seeing is cases of jaundice. They're noting 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.640 that people are becoming that, which to me suggests that 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:13.320 there's hepatitis A and hepatitis E, which is you know, 1:10:13.360 --> 1:10:17.200 you get through fecal oral contamination. And hepatitis E in 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:21.840 particular is what concerns me because there's pregnant women and 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.639 when pregnant women get hepatitis E, it's worse for them. 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:29.559 There's that that's a really bad situation. And when that happens, 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:31.960 I mean, these are these are women who are already 1:10:32.000 --> 1:10:34.960 not getting support, They're already under nourished, They're not able 1:10:35.000 --> 1:10:37.559 to produce breast milk, they are going to be sick, 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:39.240 They're not going to be able to feed their kids. 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:44.439 It's I mean, I can't. I can't imagine, honestly, I mean, 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:46.519 I know, it's it's funny. We can say these things, 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.240 we can talk about the numbers, but it is like 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:52.719 to actually wrap my brain around it breaks my brain. 1:10:52.800 --> 1:10:57.639 I cannot, like imagine the numbers of people that are 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:00.599 sick and are in these hospitals, not just being treated, 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.320 but like the NASA Hospital, which is one of the 1:11:03.320 --> 1:11:07.720 two hospitals in Gaza. You know, there are like a 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:11.320 three hundred and fifty bed hospital. There are already over 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:15.120 like a thousand patients, and not to mention the many thousands, 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.880 over seventy thousand people just staying there, you know, for 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:22.599 for refuge. It's absolutely a nightmare. I can't. I can't 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:23.599 write my brain around it. 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:27.240 Yeah, Like often I know when I speak to colleagues 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:29.200 who are there or at the journalist say they'll go 1:11:29.280 --> 1:11:31.679 to hospitals a in the hope that they'll be safe, 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:34.120 which hasn't proven to be true sadly, which is pretty 1:11:34.120 --> 1:11:36.760 messed up. But be you know that they have many generators, right, 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:40.839 so they can charge and and tell the world what's happening, 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:42.639 or try to. It seems like some of the word 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:46.280 isn't listening, but yeah it there. Cospitals are incredibly overgrowded. 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:49.760 I wonder like if we could go back to diarrhea 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:52.240 and there's. 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:55.719 Not like a fun topic, stoke about it. Yeah, fix score, Yeah, 1:11:56.000 --> 1:11:59.639 it's ready, time to shine. Yeah, life's work. 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:02.120 So, like I think it was diarrhea that I read 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:03.879 kills more people than conflict annually. 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:08.439 Oh yeah worldwide sure, yeah yeah, well I mean Saskia 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:10.200 probably has better numbers on it than I do, actually, 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:14.000 but worldwide, yeah, it's probably the number one, number one killer. 1:12:15.240 --> 1:12:18.560 So like let's just break that because I most of 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.120 like by the very nature that's being a podcast, right, 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:25.320 most are people listening are in the in the kind 1:12:25.360 --> 1:12:27.960 of the in the neoliberal core or the global north, 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:29.559 whatever you want to call it, right, Like they have 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:31.960 a smartphone and they've downloaded this, and it might be 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:37.040 difficult to understand how you die from diarrhea, which is 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:41.240 like an inconvenience in a lot of places. So can 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:43.920 you just explain that for people so they can they 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:46.760 can understand and how the conditions that we see in 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:49.040 Gaza would compound. 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:51.719 That Saska, Do you want me to go first? 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:54.160 Oh? All you, I'll talk about how it spreads. 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:56.240 You can talk, okay. 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:59.080 So, I mean, the there's a couple of issues that 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:02.200 can happen. There's a lot, but I mean dehydration is 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:04.560 going to be a major one, and loss of electrolytes. 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:08.920 I mean, these people can get so badly dehydrated that 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:12.240 their circulatory system isn't working properly. Or they can lose 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.640 the amount of electrolytes that they need and they're not 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.840 replacing and that can cause cardiovascular issues as well. So 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:22.760 it's a terrible way to die. I mean, you know, 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:28.080 cholerara and these terrible like diarrheal epidemics that you know, 1:13:29.400 --> 1:13:32.559 we think of of mostly in the past. They're terrible. 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.240 They're terrible ways to go and especially if you don't 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:39.519 have the I mean, it's treatable usually it's treatable. You know, 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:44.040 you get fluid rehydration, you get electrolyte management. It's it's 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:47.160 pretty manageable in the right situation. But if you don't 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:52.280 have that, it's gonna be a devastating thing to the 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:55.679 body over time, and for young kids sooner rather than later. 1:13:56.680 --> 1:14:00.360 Yeah, so maybe we should explained how it spread. 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:04.760 Yeah, I mean the scary part. So there's multiple pathogenes 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:07.679 that can cause diarheal illness, and for the most part, 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:12.800 we see bacteria and viruses. If you've had neurovirus, which 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:16.479 is the cruise ship bug, that is highly transmissible, meaning 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:20.000 it just goes through households and environments very very quickly. 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:24.479 During outbreaks. You can't just use hand sanitizer and a 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:27.640 simple disinfectant. You need bleach. And if you're if we're 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:30.280 thinking about the best case scenario, and I've seen you know, 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:33.720 diarreheal illnesses go through schools, hospitals, you name it. We 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:36.200 still struggle to contain those. Now, put yourself in an 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:39.400 environment with this level of stress, and you know the 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:43.000 thirty six hospitals in Gazda Gaza, twenty six have been damaged, 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:46.559 twenty one are not functional at all thirteen are partially 1:14:46.640 --> 1:14:49.400 functioning and two are barely functioning. So we know that 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:53.400 access to care is a challenge. Resources I can't even imagine. 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:57.960 So that means the capacity to treat patients with antibiotics, 1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:01.000 with fluids, everything, and now can paint it, which is 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:04.720 the disinfection you know, all the infection prevention essentially, And 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:07.960 I don't even want to think about contact tracing in 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:10.599 public health interventions because it doesn't exist. It's an entirely 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:13.120 collapsed system. You know, this is a humanitarian crisis. So 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:17.000 when you know, when you have people in close quarters 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.360 and there's a lot of high touch items because a 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:23.280 lot of diarreal illness is spread through touch. It's you know, 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:26.840 contaminated hands and objects, and then you know, you touch 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:28.880 your mouth, you eat with your hands, et cetera. That's 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:32.720 how these things are spread. So between the bathroom not 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:35.600 having access, you know, not having access to restrooms. You know, 1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:38.479 we mentioned the toilet situation, there's also one shower for 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:41.479 every forty five hundred people, So we know that people 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:45.120 are not able to clean themselves effectively, and this is 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:49.120 a ripe condition for diarreal illness to spread, and they 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:52.600 it spreads very quickly, very efficiently, and it is exceedingly 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.280 hard to get rid of. And it worries me because 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:56.960 a lot of these diseases, it's not just like you 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.040 get at one time and you have immunity to it. 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:02.680 It can keep going awaydun and if you have a 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:05.719 situation like that where you cannot clean effectively, you can't 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:08.799 treat effectively, then we're just going to see it continuously compound. 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:13.320 And that's absolutely terrifying because you know, we were talking 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:16.160 about pregnant women earlier. There's fifty thousand pregnant women right 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:19.880 now in Gaza and they are malnourished. That's just at 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:21.640 the tip of the iceberg. And we see that so 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:27.200 many children there are malnourished. And these are very dangerous 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:30.040 infections for vulnerable people. And on the best of days, 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:33.439 we struggle to contain diarreal illness. So my big concern 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:35.800 is this and respiratory viruses, to be honest with you, 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:38.240 because when you have this many people in close quarters 1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:42.559 and ignore the fact that they are extremely you know, 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:45.760 physically strained and stressed right now, which is when your 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:49.120 immune system struggles, it's going to spread and it's going 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:52.080 to be exceedingly hard to contain it. So this is 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.599 an environment where we're going to see diarreal illness spread 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:57.679 and it's going to unfortunately kill a lot more people 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:01.080 then we will even realize. It's going to take years 1:17:01.080 --> 1:17:03.880 to understand implications of this, you know, if we even 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:08.280 consider that access to clean water and food, and we've 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:10.640 been talking a lot about malnourishment, which is huge, but 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:13.519 I'm also concerned to the quality of food that they're 1:17:13.520 --> 1:17:16.800 getting too, and the water, all of it. Everything about 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:19.080 the situation is going to spread disease. It's you know, 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:22.599 I know that sounds quite dramatic, but it's entirely true. 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.680 No, I mean, I'm glad you're emphasizing that, because I 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:30.320 don't think people realize the gravity of of like a 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:33.320 second wave of death like that that happens like not 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:34.560 even not with weapons. 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:34.880 Uh. 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:39.559 But no, I'm glad you emphasize that. Let's uh, let's 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.320 take our first break. We'll be right back. 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:56.040 And it reminds me too of when we saw UN 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:59.840 peacekeepers in Haiti and they introduced polera, and you know, 1:18:00.000 --> 1:18:04.479 and that's it's an unfortunate reality when you are bringing 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:07.280 in groups of people to in this you know, for 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:10.559 in Haiti, they were trying to help the situation. In 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:14.040 this case, it's not surprising. I mean, there's a really 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:17.679 good book called Contagions and Chaos that actually talks about 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:22.680 how infectious diseases can amplify conflict or create it. And ultimately, 1:18:22.720 --> 1:18:24.559 I think we're just going to see this as a 1:18:24.720 --> 1:18:27.880 rolling in health issue until there's a ceasefire and until 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:34.040 there's really substantial work in there to resource and to 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:34.760 take care of people. 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:37.640 I mean, it's scared any Kyve. You mentioned that you 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:39.000 had a question for Saskia. 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:41.640 I do you know You've written and you talked a 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:45.280 lot about the intersections of science and policy, particularly in 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:49.240 terms of COVID nineteen. We've seen that global threats elsewhere 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:53.280 can affect Americans, and I'm wondering, is there a way 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:58.040 to try and appeal to Westerners who aren't that interested 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:02.720 yet and why they should care about infectious diseases that 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:05.559 are rising or become rampant in other places. Is there 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:09.519 an argument you can make to these people who may 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:13.599 not care that much about the Palestinian people per se. 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:18.120 Oh, there's the political answer I should give you, and 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:21.599 then there's the real answer, which is political answer saying 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:23.800 that you know people do care, and you know we're 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:25.560 just having the console in your mind them. But the 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.360 real answer is, look, we just came out of three 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:30.360 and a half years of a pandemic and at this point, 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:32.280 if people don't give a shit, they're not going to. 1:19:32.439 --> 1:19:34.160 And I know that's crude for me to say, but 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.200 it's I've been working in this and we've seen it 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:43.880 from Ebola to mers too, empocs, and in now coming 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.400 out of COVID. I think we can safely say that, 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:49.200 you know, it's not a matter of if, but when. 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:52.360 But people really like the saying that is infectious disease 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:54.880 knows no borders, and to a certain extent that is true. 1:19:54.920 --> 1:19:58.240 Infectious diseases they don't know that, but it ignores the 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:01.920 fact that some countries are are more equipped to handle them, 1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:06.120 and that borders our pores concept. So in this case, 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:10.880 I think from an American perspective, where it is a 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:16.120 very complicated relationship Americans have and I'm not getting into that. 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:19.960 When it comes to Israel, the reality is that it 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.360 shouldn't matter if it's a conflict. If you see an 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:25.680 outbreak somewhere, you should be worried for those people, and 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.439 it shouldn't matter if it's going to impact you. But 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:32.559 now that we have lived through a pandemic, a historical event, 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:35.439 I would like to think people would see this and 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:39.679 realize any one of these diseases can come to the States, 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:43.960 it can strain global resources. And I'm hopeful that with 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:46.200 the amount of attention that's coming to this and that 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:49.280 the work that the WHO and the UN have been 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:53.240 drawing attention to it, that will change. But I get 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:56.519 a little nervous every time we talk about infectious diseases 1:20:56.600 --> 1:21:00.479 and conflict areas, because I find that America and it's 1:21:00.479 --> 1:21:03.320 not just us, that people in high income countries disassociate 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:05.920 because that is a conflict related issue, but it's not 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:09.800 Conflict can mean many different things, and it's essentially saying, 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:13.559 this is an issue that's going to bubble out of control. 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:15.600 And if we were in a situation where there was 1:21:15.640 --> 1:21:17.840 no clean food and water, we had no access to 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.920 health services, in medicine, fuel was an issue, in power, 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:24.479 no communication, and I just read that three Palestinian internet 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:26.759 providers went down, so they have no way to contact 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:29.800 outside world. They have housing, safe passes, et cetera. Any 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:32.519 one of those impacted US, we would be experiencing it. 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.720 And I will leave that question with one comment. That's 1:21:35.800 --> 1:21:39.280 to say we are a very well resourced country. The 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:44.360 US invests so many resources into health, global health, security, biopreparedness, 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:46.680 all of the above, and we were one of the 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:50.760 worst performers when it came to COVID response. And I 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:53.200 say that having worked in health care during that and 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:57.240 doing epidemiology, and I think this should be a continuous 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:01.720 wake up call that it's we're one disease away from 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:04.120 an international crisis, and when we see this, it should 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:06.719 really speak to the fact that it is global health. 1:22:07.120 --> 1:22:10.360 It's not national health, not local health, it is global health. 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:13.720 That's my ted talk, the good tech talk. 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:17.200 I guess like if I could piggyback on that, there 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:20.400 is not a single war that I have covered, either 1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:23.759 remotely or in person, where I have not then seen 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:27.320 those people arrive our border where I live. Like I 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:31.479 was in Syrian Kurdistan in October. I am seeing people 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:36.760 leaving Turkey, more and more Turkish Kurdistan, but also Syrian Kurdistan, 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:39.080 or people who went to Syria went back to Turkey 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:40.000 at our southern border. 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:41.880 Right now, I am seeing. 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:44.760 People from conflicts all over the world at our southern 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:49.320 border right now, and every single conflict, because we tend 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:52.559 to stick our nose into every single conflict, it ends 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:54.559 up here right because we tell people we support them 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:56.360 and then we abandon them, and they come here thinking 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:58.280 that we were going to support them. I also add 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:01.599 that every time there is infectia disease outbreak going forward, 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:05.040 it will be used in the same way that COVID 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:09.680 was to prevent asylum. So the title forty two that 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:12.599 was used to like quote unquote catch and release migrants 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:16.360 at the southern border allowed border patrol to eject people 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:19.439 without processing their asylum came. That's a public health law, 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:22.560 it's dot a migration law. Biden's already indicated that he 1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:25.439 would love to do the same thing again, and like, 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:28.479 you don't even need an excuse with this in focused 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:30.320 disease stuff, right The laws are already there, and it 1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:33.800 was already in place for several years, so it's kind 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:37.000 of stood the test of the courts. And this will 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:40.360 impact even if you don't give a shit about people 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:42.840 in Palestine, and maybe you should examine what's up with 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:45.600 your morality if you do like this will impact you 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:47.800 because people will come here, and it will impact you 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:49.960 because people who should come here won't be able to 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.559 and that will mean that people who have done nothing wrong, 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:55.760 who trusted us when we lie to them. You know, 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.639 people Americans seem to care about afghanstanare than other people. 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:01.760 Like I've spoken to a hundred roods of Afghan women 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:05.080 in our border and like they were stuck under Title 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:08.920 forty two in very dangerous situations in places like Mexico. 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:11.519 So even if you only care about those people, you 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:14.519 should still care about this. I guess can I add 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:16.960 something to I think, please, you know, to. 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.040 Avoid fueling isolationism, because I think that happens all the 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:23.920 time when we talk about these global health issues. Every 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:29.200 resource that has to be put to helping this health 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:32.479 crisis that is bubbling out of a humanitarian crisis is 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:35.360 a resource that's not back where it's supposed to be 1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:38.600 addressing global health issues. Meaning so for example, when we 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:41.479 saw the people outbreak in West Africa in twenty fourteen, 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:46.240 after there were you know, we started to actually realize 1:24:46.280 --> 1:24:52.160 the implications to malaria control, tuberculosis, HIV. So when we 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:56.360 have to throw a bunch of emergency resources at a crisis, 1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:00.280 those are coming out of somewhere else. And I too 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.200 that people don't realize that we're you know, as the who, 1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:07.000 the un everywhere, MSS is having to help this situation 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:10.120 because there's no access to care, and again is a 1:25:10.200 --> 1:25:13.840 health crisis. That means we're going to start to see 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:17.080 other things pop up elsewhere, and that really worries me 1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:19.600 because we are already very strained when it comes to 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:23.160 global health resources. We just again came out of a pandemic. 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:28.160 So everyone's tired, everyone's burnt out. We've got health systems 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:30.120 and a lot of and we're seeing even in the 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:32.360 US where a lot of funding for like the CDC 1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:37.040 is being pulled and NIH. So now that we're out 1:25:37.080 --> 1:25:40.639 of kind of coming back into this panic neglect cycle, 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.200 I worry that a lot of the resources that we're 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:46.439 having to pull to address this crisis are going to 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:49.840 then ultimately leave a lot of other places at risk 1:25:50.000 --> 1:25:53.360 or infectious diseases, for long term health implications. So it 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:56.400 is a lot bigger than one area or people you know, 1:25:56.479 --> 1:25:59.040 having to flee to the US. It's all of these things, 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:02.679 and too often we approach this with a very short 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.439 sighted this and we have, we don't you know, we 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:08.120 have finite resources when it comes to global health response, 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.320 and when we have to use them because you know 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:16.599 we're not you know, approaching this effectively or appropriately, then 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:18.800 we're going to see larger applications. 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.760 Yeah, even like we can just keep building off each 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:24.439 other stuff and it's not here from the other two. 1:26:25.080 --> 1:26:28.720 Even recently, I was trying to buy some humanitarian daily 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:32.400 rations for the border, which are people aren't familiar. They're 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:35.120 like MRIs for refugees, and make sure we eat one 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:39.400 on our live show once. It's very salty, Yeah, very salty. 1:26:39.680 --> 1:26:42.920 That's good for the electrolytes. But like that is the 1:26:42.960 --> 1:26:45.760 State Department. It's buying the back of surplus retailers at 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:49.360 the minute, which like means that there's obviously like a 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:53.560 critical lack of supply of these things. Same with UNHCR shelters, 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:57.760 and like that means that someone else doesn't get to eat, right, 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:00.600 because we've just massively increased burden of. 1:27:00.680 --> 1:27:02.559 People who desperately need to eat. 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:05.040 Like it's not like these things were chilling before, like 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:07.360 there were you know, hunger is still a massive problem 1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:09.120 in the world, despite us having so much food here 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:11.639 and so like the say, Yet the same is true 1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:13.800 of medical supplies, like you said, right that that means 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:15.840 that somebody else doesn't get them, that money doesn't go 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:19.120 to something else very important that it could be going to. 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:22.200 Can I ask about something I just learned about the 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:25.479 past couple of days. So on December twenty fifth, the 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:30.040 Jerusalem Posts reported that an IDF soldier died of a 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:37.719 fungal infection, and apparently he was hospitalized and eventually he died, 1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:40.320 and at least ten other soldiers have been diagnosed with 1:27:41.240 --> 1:27:45.519 infections of some sort. I think what kind of made 1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:48.000 me annoyed is that there is a headline from the 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:51.360 Times of Israel that said, as a soldier with fungal 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:55.760 infection dies, fears a grow of Gaza diseases spreading into 1:27:55.920 --> 1:28:00.200 Israel and apparently they're examining whether the infections originated the 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:04.120 Hamas tunnels and all this stuff. I think, while I 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:09.599 that's it, really it really bothered me because I looked 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:11.519 at all of these articles. I mean, most of them 1:28:11.560 --> 1:28:16.679 are obviously Israeli sourced, but it still was the same 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:21.160 rhetoric of there's diseases in Gaza and our soldiers are 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:23.640 getting them, and the Honestly, the takeaway in all of 1:28:23.720 --> 1:28:28.160 these was we have to worry about Israeli public health 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:31.280 and the Israeli citizens. It wasn't about anything about the 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:34.360 Gazins or anything like that. And I was just I 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:37.120 guess I wanted to ask, is there any truth at 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:40.560 all to the idea that there can be certain infections 1:28:41.200 --> 1:28:44.519 localized to that degree even though it's like a very 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:50.479 small country in general. And I guess it's it's really 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.160 I feel like it's a fear mongering tactic using health 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:53.960 as a weapon. 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:56.040 But I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts. 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:59.840 Even the fungus has gone woke. I can't believe it. 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:06.400 They've weaponized fungus, sasky. I'll let you address it, but 1:29:06.439 --> 1:29:08.439 I would say this, I mean, I think the fear 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:13.680 I just did an episode of my podcast on funguses 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:16.200 and talking about the last of us and seeing like 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:19.240 the truth that there's really a concern, especially with global 1:29:19.400 --> 1:29:23.560 climate change, and it is I mean, the thought of 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:26.280 a fungus affecting humans in that way who were not 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:30.360 in some way under their body under stress or immunal suppressed, 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:34.559 it's it's not that likely. And I definitely agree from 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.280 what I'm hearing that like this is just another way 1:29:37.280 --> 1:29:39.240 to be like, look at these dirty people, we should 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:40.639 bomb them to them. 1:29:42.680 --> 1:29:45.280 Everything related to Palestinians is oh, they're all it's all 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:48.120 the plague, like they're scary, they're barbaric, and also they're 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:50.840 going to make you sick. It's it's really infuriating. They're 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:53.240 just going at every angle. I just I found the 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:54.639 quote that made me mad. 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:55.200 Can I read it? 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:56.320 Okay, I'm going to read it. 1:29:56.439 --> 1:30:00.479 Basically, it says the war between Israel and moss has 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:03.360 led to the destruction of large swaths of Gaza and 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:07.080 internal displacement of the vast majority of its population, resulting 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:10.040 in what is called the humanitarian crisis for the Palcians. 1:30:10.040 --> 1:30:12.720 It is called that because it is that body what 1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:14.840 if law. These conditions have led to the outbreaks of 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:18.000 various diseases, which can potentially threaten the well being of 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:21.240 hundreds of thousands of IDF troops fighting in Gaza. They 1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:24.439 can also ultimately spell trouble for public health in Israel. 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:29.439 I just can't believe that's the takeaway all. 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:33.400 At Saskia, do you want to address the spread of 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:35.240 fungal infection in a situation like this. 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:40.960 Yeah, I mean, look again, this is a situation where 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:44.439 disease is going to be spread and that includes Ida soldiers. 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:46.800 They are risk because guess what, they all have to 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:49.160 go back to their bunks and sleep at night in 1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:53.160 close quarters. Do we see diseases spread easily in militaries, 1:30:54.040 --> 1:30:56.360 of course, I mean it would be insane not to 1:30:56.439 --> 1:31:00.680 think that. But trying to, you know, source it in 1:31:01.600 --> 1:31:07.440 Palestinians and Gazas is slightly ridiculous because there's no epidemiological 1:31:07.479 --> 1:31:09.120 evidence of that. But it's also kind of weird to 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:11.160 me that they're saying a fungal infection. That's a very 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:14.560 specific thing, and bungle infections aren't fast infections for the 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:16.880 most part. You know, when we do see them, I 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:19.800 think from a regional perspective. If you live in the 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:23.559 Southwest like I do. Galley fever is a fungal infection. 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:25.960 It's in the dirt though, it's a spore in the dirt, 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:30.320 and it's not spread between people though. That's that's the 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:32.960 key part. It is you inhale it and you get 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:35.200 it and it takes months in a lot of cases, 1:31:35.400 --> 1:31:38.479 but you know, you can you see fungal infections. Yeah, 1:31:38.520 --> 1:31:42.920 that could be contaminated water, you know, inhalation, through showers, 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:45.800 things like that. I mean, there's ways for that to happen. 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.120 But we really just for the most part see those 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:52.679 infections spread from an individual source, not an individual person. 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:56.680 They tend to really not be they're environmentally spread, you know. 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:58.880 And I'm not a fungal expert. I can just speak 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:01.439 to the ones that I've seen. Really, we don't see 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:05.000 them spread between people, and so I think that it's 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:07.920 it's a weird choice to say, and I worry a 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:11.559 little bit that they're just again to your point, trying 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:14.479 to say like, oh, look, our soldiers are getting sick. 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:18.400 You know, the sacrifice they're making, right, yeah, is so much. 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:21.760 And here's the thing. Conflict is where we're going to 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:25.639 see disease spread no matter what. And I if you're 1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:30.120 so worried about soldiers getting fungal infections from Gaza, then 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:32.880 maybe keep the people in Gaza safe and then they're 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:35.040 you know, either way you paint this, if you're trying 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:36.600 to blame it on them, they keep them safe and 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:38.559 they won't be able to spread disease. Very simple. 1:32:38.920 --> 1:32:41.920 Yeah, they did cite contaminated soil. 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:46.440 Okay, that's a contamination thing, like environmental. 1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:49.599 Yeah, this one that the tibiologist said that these soldiers 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:53.320 have come back with serious anti microbial resistant infections that 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:57.200 they've picked up through contact with contaminated soil, among other factors. 1:32:57.280 --> 1:33:01.320 Like one, I feel like it's like a very direct statement. 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:02.320 There's a lot of. 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:05.519 There's a lot to unpack there. Again though, if it's 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:08.640 in the soil, it's an environmental exposure. That is like, 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:13.040 that's not anyone's fault from an anti microbial perspective that 1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:16.559 I'm having a hard time believing that value fever, as 1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:20.000 I mentioned, is really hard to treat, so sometimes it's 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:22.560 not responsive to some of the medications you give. But 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:25.640 you know you're gonna get anti microbial infections more so 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:28.640 from people and contaminated objects, because that means that it 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:32.400 has to have been exposed to antibiotics and become resistant 1:33:32.439 --> 1:33:37.559 to the infections. But there's that feels like very messy, uh, 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:41.080 you know, reporting on their part or communications, because not 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:42.880 a lot of that makes sense to me. And either way, 1:33:42.880 --> 1:33:45.120 if they're saying it's from the environment, congratulations, you've just 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:46.479 proven you're not getting it from people. 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:48.360 Yeah, thank you. For getting into that. 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:52.920 I just the the Hammas tunnels, the Hamas terror tunnels, 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:55.439 sorry in their words, their terror tunnels. They're going to 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:59.000 investigate whether infections have originated from there. 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:05.200 It just it's also just that doesn't make any sense. 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:08.000 So I'm glad to have two doctors here agree, and 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:09.080 that's all I wanted. 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.000 I mean, I will say this cocady of mycosis is 1:34:12.120 --> 1:34:15.200 valley fever, and we like, you know, she just mentioned 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:17.519 it's we see it here in California. It's the reason 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:20.960 why we used to say, if you're driving it down 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:23.680 Central Valley, California, down the Eye five, you should roll 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:26.280 up your window and and not breathe in the air 1:34:26.439 --> 1:34:29.120 because there's a possibility of getting it from that so 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:31.320 o way they say that, well they I don't think 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:32.479 they do so much anymore. 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:35.280 There's a whole number of reasons why you don't want 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:35.759 to be breathing. 1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:38.559 Yeah, there's a lot of cow farms out there too. 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:40.720 It gets a little bit nasty out there in the 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:43.160 I five. But but I mean, it's what is an 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:45.320 endemic thing. It's like, if they don't want to be 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:46.840 exposed to it, stay out of that area. 1:34:47.960 --> 1:34:49.640 Yeah. Yeah, but You're not going to get it from 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:53.000 other people. That's the kicker. It's not spread from people. 1:34:54.280 --> 1:34:57.679 It is very common to a tribute effect your diseases 1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:01.360 that come from conflict to you'll enemy, right. It's like 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:04.640 if you look at like the nineteen eighteen pandemic flu, right, 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:07.479 and all the different things that people call that flu 1:35:08.000 --> 1:35:10.519 and the people to whom they attributed it, like, you 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.479 can see that we've been doing that for more than 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:15.080 one hundred years. It's it's part of the process of 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.160 dehumanizing people who you're trying to kill. 1:35:17.479 --> 1:35:20.880 It happened with COVID too, No, it's yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.720 that was a whole different situation. I guess humans just 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:24.240 don't learn. 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:25.720 I suppose. 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:40.760 So I wonder Saskia, like we obviously this is a 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:44.840 terrible situation, and it's one that's like super easy to 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:50.040 feel very disempowered with because you know, as much as 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:52.880 you march around and do things, it doesn't seem to 1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:55.840 be stopping. There is there anything that like people can 1:35:55.920 --> 1:36:00.200 do advocate for, like take action on, that could make 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:01.160 this slightly less bad. 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:04.519 I mean, a ceasefire, I encourage people to donate to 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:07.360 unisf and obviously you know, MSF, a lot of the 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:11.639 wonderful organizations doing work there, and probably my my biggest 1:36:11.680 --> 1:36:13.720 one right now, especially since we're around the holidays and 1:36:13.760 --> 1:36:15.439 people are spending a lot of time with family and 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:19.439 likely getting into some heavy conversations around the dinner tables. 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:23.640 Make sure you're well informed and you're not spreading misinformation 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:27.800 and disinformation online because that's been a huge aspect of this. 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:33.040 You know, we saw with the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:36.640 You know, Russia took direct action to spread misinformation and 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:39.320 disinformation and we're struggling with that in the United States 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:42.760 right now with this. So I encourage people to stay 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:48.000 informed of this, to really utilize good resources and not 1:36:48.439 --> 1:36:51.200 pull things from social media. If you're going to share something, 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:54.679 you know, do so from an accurate source. I really, 1:36:55.120 --> 1:36:58.559 you know, the who un have been really good at 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:02.760 doing continuous updates and sharing that information. Human Rights Watch 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:07.160 at all of the above, and on top of again, 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:10.920 donating and really being an advocate for a ceasefire to 1:37:11.040 --> 1:37:14.920 me is the biggest thing because also reminding people, hey, 1:37:15.000 --> 1:37:19.640 this is currently a localized crisis, but infectious diseases and 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:23.479 humanitarian crisis crises, excuse me, rarely stay that way. 1:37:24.640 --> 1:37:29.080 I would also plug the Palestinian Medical Relief Society the PMRS. 1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:32.040 They're the on the ground people. They've been there since 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:36.320 nineteen seventy nine. They are founded by Palestinian doctors. It's 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:39.679 mostly a Palestinian run and they're doing I think, really 1:37:39.720 --> 1:37:42.519 good work down there as best they can. And there 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:45.800 where actually the who gets most of their information or 1:37:45.800 --> 1:37:47.960 a lot of it at least it's coming from their 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:51.280 updates from the PMRS people on the ground, So that's 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:54.639 another local source to look at if people are interested 1:37:54.880 --> 1:37:55.799 in getting involved. 1:37:56.560 --> 1:38:00.559 I think you got you sure to wrap it up. 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:04.040 Yet, I was just thinking how unfortunate it is that 1:38:04.200 --> 1:38:07.800 people don't care enough. So you have to be like, 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:10.120 it's not only going to stay localized, Like it's not 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:11.840 just that probably, you know what I mean. I hate 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:15.080 that we have to go there because, especially after going 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:18.439 through a pandemic yourself, if that is still not enough 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:21.760 for you to have any kind of empathy, that's that's 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:22.680 just insane to me. 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:23.439 That's uh. 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:27.320 The one consistent thing I've seen is a lot of 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:31.800 people say, oh, this conflict is you know, very There's 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:33.479 a lot of history, and I don't really want to 1:38:33.479 --> 1:38:36.280 get involved and yeah, and you know, to us, I 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:39.880 do understand that there is a long, complicated history that 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:42.000 not a lot of people are well informed of. But 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:44.679 inform yourself. And that doesn't mean you can't have empathy. 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:49.479 You can you know, denounce the moss and also denounce 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:52.479 anti Semitism. Yeah, these things are not really intrusive. And 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:56.160 it's it's impressive to me that we're still after you know, 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:58.840 it's not even been three months and we've lost twenty 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:01.519 thousand people that we know of a mess. We're seeing 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:04.759 journalists killed left and right as well. It's it's impressive 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:06.400 to me that people are still saying, oh, I don't 1:39:06.640 --> 1:39:08.720 I don't really want to comment on that, or you know, 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:10.720 it's it's it's very messy. 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:16.479 In the medical I'm sorry, James. In the medical world, 1:39:16.920 --> 1:39:22.280 I've seen doctors complain about more about the word provider 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:25.160 and how it's used. Then the fact that three hundred 1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:28.280 medical professionals have been killed, some of them while doing 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:30.960 their duty in the hospital. Like, that's a part that 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:35.120 kind of surprised me from a medical perspective. And you know, 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:37.479 I think I mentioned it to you before. I'm grateful 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.760 for coming on your show, because I think a lot 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:43.599 of the overlap between doctors who listen to our show 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:46.840 and they listen to yours, and they're very vocal and 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:49.639 they're online, and they are the ones who are really 1:39:49.680 --> 1:39:52.479 giving me hope in these situations because and there's a 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.759 lot of people in medicine and this is a medical issue. 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:57.439 I mean, I'm not even talking about any of the history. 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:00.799 That's nothing. That's not what I'm on. What it's important 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:03.600 to me right now, it's about this healthcare crisis that 1:40:03.840 --> 1:40:08.280 is worsening and progressively worsening, and it is it is 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:09.840 a bit of a bummer that I'm not seeing a 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:12.840 little bit more interest in addressing it. 1:40:13.600 --> 1:40:14.639 Yeah, I would hope. 1:40:14.640 --> 1:40:16.760 I would say that most people, like insider outside of 1:40:16.800 --> 1:40:19.639 medical community could maybe agree that like the correct number 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:24.760 of hospitals to bomb is zero hospitals and that but that, yeah, 1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:28.320 there isn't a reason why you bomb a hospitalities, shouldn't. 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:33.120 Anthony Blincoln said like a year or about Ukraine and Russia. 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:36.040 Russia bombed hospitals and schools. There's no way that's normal. 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:38.240 And then like there's a video where it's like cross 1:40:38.280 --> 1:40:40.360 sectioning into like right now, how He's like, we're always 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:42.519 going to support Israel. So it's like, no, it's not normal. 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:47.080 Bombing hospitals and schools is never normal or okay. It's 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:50.559 crazy that Israel went from being like we would never 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:55.000 bomb a hospital to bombing dozens of them and nothing happening. 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:59.519 Yeah, but I like, yeah, I guess just felt like 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:01.679 lick completion. 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:05.400 Again, it's not okay when Turkey bombs hospitals in Northeast 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:07.559 area either, Like I was there when they bomb one 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:11.560 they bombed another one. Since it's not okay when the 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:13.880 Hunter and mean mail bomb's hospitals and at this one 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:16.599 hospital left standing in the whole of Corny State right now, 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.960 and like this is happening there too, when we're not 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:23.280 like not caring about those people because this is a 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:24.400 topic of the day or whatever. 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:26.519 Like it's also not. 1:41:26.560 --> 1:41:32.760 Okay to use white phosphorus on armed civilians across the 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:35.720 board were Yeah, like in general, it's horrific, and I 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:38.800 just I think it's it's you know, and there was 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:40.439 there were a couple of reports and I think that 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:44.160 there's still data coming out about it that bodies had 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:49.479 organs stolen from them. Yeah, which is just horrific, and yeah, 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:51.840 it doesn't really practice what Israel. 1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:54.880 Has done for a while though. Israel's uh, they said 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:57.280 they stopped it and then they're continuing to do it. 1:41:57.400 --> 1:42:01.280 But it's like they're notorious for bringing to returning bodies 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:04.360 that have been like autopsyed or having all their organs removed. 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:08.280 And I want to just point out that for Muslim burials, 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:10.559 the body is like it's very important that the body 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:14.880 is whole, and the same for Jewish burials. But it's 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:18.160 just a really disgusting just point blank and then also 1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:19.160 really disrespectful. 1:42:19.680 --> 1:42:23.679 But yeah, sorry interrupted, No, no, I mean it's and again, 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:26.040 you know, I think there's still a lot of information 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:29.280 coming out about that and how many that court, et cetera, 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:32.519 because I, like I mentioned before, I think information right 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:36.080 now is really challenging. Accurate information, of course, is exceedingly difficult, 1:42:36.200 --> 1:42:39.479 so I'm always very careful, you know what we say. 1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:44.160 But to me, you know, the Washington Post just released 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:47.280 a really good article and in death analysis of the 1:42:47.360 --> 1:42:50.240 attacks on the Al Shifa hospital, because that's the biggest 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:53.080 hospital in Gaza, and for a while, you know, IDF 1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:56.040 was saying, well, this is where Hamas has been operating 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:58.200 they have a tunnel networks, and there was there was 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.840 a good breakdown of why this is inaccurate and at 1:43:00.840 --> 1:43:04.320 the end of the day, now there's no acceptable reason 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:08.080 to bomb a hospital, and drawing attention to the fact 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:11.360 that this was occurring and misinformation is being shared is huge. 1:43:11.920 --> 1:43:14.479 So I'm hopeful that you know and very grateful to 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:16.200 be on this podcast and talk with you all because 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:19.439 the more information we can communicate about this situation, but 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:23.320 also about the fact that there are much larger consequences 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:26.840 of this from just even an infectious disease perspective is 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:28.960 so critical because I don't think people realize that, and 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:31.640 again they disassociate when they hear it's the conflict, it's 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:34.680 a result of conflicts. It is so much larger than that. 1:43:34.840 --> 1:43:37.360 It will you know, we will see it in the States. 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:41.559 We will see the ramifications of this and if nothing 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:43.800 else again coming out of COVID, I'd like to think 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:47.559 that we realize that we are part of a much larger, 1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:52.519 interconnected world and infectious diseases are simply a plane flight away. 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:59.240 Yeah, yeah, very true. Thank you both so much for 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:02.519 your brains and your knowledge of for coming on the show. 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:04.640 It's uh, thanks for having us. 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:08.320 Yeah, you so much for having us, of course, and 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:10.960 before we go, i'd like to ask you if you 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:14.360 have anything you'd like to plug like white people can 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.440 find you good. You've mentioned a couple of good resources, 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:20.040 but other information resources that. 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:22.679 Kind of thing that you'd like to share. 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:27.600 So, in terms of the resources, I am following a 1:44:27.680 --> 1:44:31.920 couple members of the PMRS. They have a Twitter feed 1:44:32.000 --> 1:44:35.080 but it's not very active, but the who gets a 1:44:35.160 --> 1:44:37.360 lot of the same information and they do a good 1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:40.880 job of updating in terms of where you could learn more. 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:44.800 I just did an episode on the healthcare crisis in 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.120 Gaza on my podcast, The House of Pod, which James 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:50.800 has been on and stream. I'm trying to get you 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:51.240 to come on. 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:52.639 So I'm down. 1:44:53.360 --> 1:44:56.720 We're going to keep working on you and Saskia too. 1:44:56.800 --> 1:44:59.280 I mean, you're all invinded. I'm recording this. I'm just 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:03.479 gonna release it on my podcast as well. And yeah, 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:05.519 so listen to us there. I'll be doing more episodes 1:45:05.600 --> 1:45:08.519 on this topic as well in the in the coming months. 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:14.800 Cool perfect, I'm marrying all of those resources I really 1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:17.920 been looking to. Of course, I'm the Public Health Parents, 1:45:17.960 --> 1:45:20.640 So who you know Seth, Human Rights Watch and my 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:22.640 big go tos as you know, again as all the 1:45:22.720 --> 1:45:26.320 sources we've already mentioned, and I really I want to 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:28.519 give a shout out to a colleague of mine, Jessica 1:45:28.920 --> 1:45:32.400 Alti Rivera, who is really really wonderful in this space 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:34.320 and has been doing a lot of science communication on 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:36.920 her Instagram. I tend to be a little bit more 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:40.880 on the cesspool that is formally Twitter, but you know, 1:45:41.040 --> 1:45:44.479 I'm I think there's some really wonderful people out there, 1:45:45.080 --> 1:45:48.320 this entire group included, that are actively working to share 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:51.240 information but also how people can get engaged and involved. 1:45:51.760 --> 1:45:53.640 So shout out to her and just all of the 1:45:53.680 --> 1:45:56.360 hard work that a lot of key journalists are doing 1:45:56.439 --> 1:45:59.640 in this space, because again, if you have no communication 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:01.719 out it's really hard to get accurate information. 1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:06.479 Well, thanks guys for listening. Why are you laughing? 1:46:06.600 --> 1:46:06.880 James? 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:09.280 Can I wrap us out? Or is this too monotone 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:15.640 of up? Send it? 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:18.640 No, that's the show again, Thanks again for both of 1:46:18.680 --> 1:46:22.600 you being so outspoken. I think, especially reminding everyone that 1:46:22.680 --> 1:46:26.200 it's actually not complicated, because it's it's also like a 1:46:26.240 --> 1:46:29.800 medical issue. It's not exactly when you just look at 1:46:29.800 --> 1:46:33.200 the numbers, look at body count, look at families. That's 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.040 I think what our main focus should be. And I 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:38.400 appreciate you both because I know it's a tricky out 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:39.680 there to be outspoken. 1:46:39.840 --> 1:46:43.960 So thank you, Thank you guys, thanks so much. 1:46:58.240 --> 1:47:00.880 Welcome to it could happen here at the show about 1:47:00.960 --> 1:47:03.040 the slow end of the world and all the small 1:47:03.120 --> 1:47:05.160 little things that are kind of pushing us that way. 1:47:05.680 --> 1:47:06.599 Isn't that exciting? 1:47:07.040 --> 1:47:07.439 New Year? 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:07.920 Knew me? 1:47:08.400 --> 1:47:09.280 Not not really. 1:47:09.280 --> 1:47:12.519 I'm kind of doing the same stuff, mostly staring into 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:15.160 the abyss and seeing what stares back. Staring at the 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:18.320 abyss with me today is Mia Wong. Hello, thank you 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:22.639 for joining me. Oh boy, the abyss is is looking 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.640 real choppy today, real abyssle. 1:47:25.760 --> 1:47:28.599 You could say, the waves coming out of it are 1:47:28.960 --> 1:47:30.439 staring back at you real hard. 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:31.120 Yeah. 1:47:31.320 --> 1:47:37.040 Yeah, So we're gonna talk today about anti semitism, So 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:40.360 I guess content warning in case you don't want to 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:42.920 hear a whole bunch of anti Semitic stuff. I'm not 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:46.640 just gonna be repeating anti Semitic things. It's just this 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:50.040 is just the topic for the whole episode. So yeah, 1:47:51.040 --> 1:47:53.479 the past few months there has been a pretty dramatic 1:47:53.600 --> 1:47:57.200 rise in anti semitism, ranging from physical attacks, vandalism, and 1:47:57.439 --> 1:48:00.560 lots of rhetoric. Now, there's a few as that I 1:48:00.600 --> 1:48:02.880 think make this a little bit tricky to talk about, 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:05.200 which is why it's taken me a while to put 1:48:05.280 --> 1:48:08.960 this together. Firstly, I want to avoid getting into like 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:12.640 oppression Olympics here, right, talking about one bad thing does 1:48:12.720 --> 1:48:15.840 not negate many other bad things that are happening concurrently. 1:48:16.720 --> 1:48:20.160 Having a discussion about a very troubling rise in antisemitism 1:48:20.920 --> 1:48:23.920 and a state backed ethnic cleansing do not need to 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:26.960 be mutually exclusive topics of discussion. Right. We can say 1:48:27.040 --> 1:48:31.880 both of these things are actually pretty bad. And today 1:48:32.000 --> 1:48:34.600 we're going to be talking specifically about anti semitism. And 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:37.840 I think you know, this show has had a history 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:42.320 of reporting on anti fascist movements and attempts to stop 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:46.679 fascist entryism and promoting of anti semitism. So this topic 1:48:46.840 --> 1:48:49.840 is well within our regular wheelhouse and there is a 1:48:49.920 --> 1:48:53.200 decent bit to talk about. Now. The second thing that 1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:55.680 makes this topic a little bit tricky is that some 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:59.400 of the big extremism research groups that typically do the 1:48:59.479 --> 1:49:04.880 most cataloging of anti Semitic incidents have proven themselves to 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:09.280 be slightly unreliable on this topic for the past four months. 1:49:09.640 --> 1:49:11.880 And that's not just my opinion, that's also the opinion 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:16.080 of current and former ADL employees who have been coming 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:21.080 out against Director Jonathan greenblatz leadership choices, particularly since the 1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:25.160 October seventh Hamas attack. Now, due to the nature of 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:29.680 their job versus my job, ADL analysts have a lot 1:49:29.760 --> 1:49:34.599 more dedicated time and resources to cataloging alleged anti Semitic incidents, 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.599 but under greenblatz direction, the whole of their data from 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:42.240 the past four months is heavily skewed to include anything 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:47.120 expressing anti Zionism as being included in their data about 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:52.320 anti semitism, and even anything deemed too sympathetic to Palestinians 1:49:52.680 --> 1:49:56.840 as being a driver of anti Semitism. So that's the 1:49:57.000 --> 1:50:00.200 kind of situation we have here with. You know, there's 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:02.519 many issues the ADL has had in the past, which 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:05.720 we may talked about in the future, but typically they've 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:09.679 done an okay job the past few years, specifically cataloging 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:12.160 anti semitism during the rise of the alt right. Their 1:50:12.479 --> 1:50:17.200 data is often relatively reliable on this topic. Some of 1:50:17.240 --> 1:50:20.160 their other data and other practices are very open to criticism. 1:50:20.640 --> 1:50:23.800 But this is kind of one other factor that's gonna 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:26.920 make this a little bit tricky. Now, as like an example, right, 1:50:27.080 --> 1:50:28.840 this is this is we can we can talk about 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:31.120 these things in abstract. I'm gonna talk about something from 1:50:31.120 --> 1:50:33.560 Atlanta because this is something I have some experience in. 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:36.559 So on the ADL's big map of anti Semitic incidents 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:40.639 from October seventh to the present, if you zoom into Atlanta, 1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:42.920 there's two incidents that are right next to each other. 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:47.599 One is a banner drop done by the Goiam Defense League, 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:49.400 which is a group of neo Nazis. 1:50:49.760 --> 1:50:50.400 Oh God. 1:50:50.960 --> 1:50:58.400 Basically, they made some banners expressing pro Hitler statements alongside 1:50:58.520 --> 1:51:01.679 slogans like free Palestine, and they put them up above 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:04.680 a really big road in Atlanta. Right, So this is 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:08.760 pretty standard neo Nazi anti Semitism using kind of anti 1:51:08.880 --> 1:51:13.880 Zionism as this sort of mask But I mean Hitler 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:19.360 very thid, Yes exactly, that's not really it's not really 1:51:19.560 --> 1:51:22.760 masked because you also have a Hitler banner. But like 1:51:22.960 --> 1:51:25.360 you know, if someone only sees one banner, be like, oh, 1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:28.040 it's a Palestine banner, but no, it's actually a Nazi banner. 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:32.920 So we have this incident logged. We also have another 1:51:33.000 --> 1:51:35.920 incident blogged right beside it from a protest a few 1:51:36.000 --> 1:51:39.639 days later, which was an Inner faith rally in support 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:44.240 of Palestine against the ongoing ethnic cleansing that's happening in 1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:47.920 Gaza with thousands and thousands of people being killed. So 1:51:48.040 --> 1:51:50.000 we have this banner drop and we have this rally, 1:51:50.360 --> 1:51:52.400 and both of these things are labeled as an anti 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:56.080 Semitic incident. They're both like equal in the eyes of 1:51:56.160 --> 1:52:00.640 this data, which just isn't true. I was, I was 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:03.920 at this rally. I did not hear. 1:52:04.120 --> 1:52:07.400 Anything anti Semitic coming from the speakers. Many of the speakers, 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:09.880 if not the majority of the speakers, were Jewish. There 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:14.160 were a group of Jewish counter protesters who showed up 1:52:14.439 --> 1:52:17.600 who started many fights, fights which were very quickly de 1:52:17.800 --> 1:52:19.960 escalated by the people who were putting on the rally. 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:22.960 There was this one woman who was carrying an Israeli 1:52:23.000 --> 1:52:25.760 flag on his flagpole who kept hitting people with it. 1:52:26.400 --> 1:52:28.920 So there was a lot of there's a lot of 1:52:29.040 --> 1:52:31.320 things going on at this rally, but this was not 1:52:31.360 --> 1:52:34.639 an anti Semitic rally, And in fact, the Jewish counter 1:52:34.680 --> 1:52:39.960 protesters were extremely vitriolic. They were expressing explicit desire for 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:44.519 genocide of Palestinians, like very very gross stuff. It was, 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:48.200 it was really disgusting. So both of these incidents, though, 1:52:48.280 --> 1:52:52.800 are seen as equal, which just show that's just an 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:55.280 easy example to kind of show how this data isn't 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:59.000 really reliable that the ADL is putting together here. Now, 1:52:59.240 --> 1:53:01.000 I really don't feel like it's my place to go 1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:04.840 through the eightyeals database and decide what is and is 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:08.320 not antisemitism, right, Like, that's I don't have the time, 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:11.160 nor the money normally the authority to be like the 1:53:11.400 --> 1:53:14.280 arbiter of what is and isn't anti semitic. 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:17.519 Yeah, Garrison, Garrison turning into the anti Semitism commissar. 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:20.439 Yeah, that's that's not That's not me, right. I have 1:53:20.479 --> 1:53:23.240 a background in anti fascist research. I have a background 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:26.200 in neo Nazia driven anti semitism, Right, these are the 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:29.120 things I usually specialize in. But still, this is a 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.840 this is a massive this is a massive field. Antisemitism 1:53:31.960 --> 1:53:35.679 is a complicated topic. Rhetoric can be complicated, and having 1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:39.160 not attended or reviewed every single rally or incident in question, 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:43.360 I'm simply not equipped to make informed judgments. So for 1:53:43.479 --> 1:53:48.479 that reason, this episode I will focus mostly on physical attacks, threats, 1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:52.000 and vandalism as opposed to the much more murky waters 1:53:52.120 --> 1:53:55.880 of rhetoric, online rhetoric and you know, just these these 1:53:56.160 --> 1:53:59.519 there's been probably thousands of rallies across the United States. 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:02.679 I've not been to everyone, I've not watched every single speech, 1:54:02.920 --> 1:54:05.560 I've not heard every single offhand comment, so I'm not 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:08.320 going to deal with those. Instead, I'm going to be 1:54:08.360 --> 1:54:13.160 focusing on physical like in like IRL and things that 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:17.519 have a very clear result of the action. So this 1:54:17.800 --> 1:54:23.280 mostly attacks throughout vandalism. Anyway, moving on though, I guess 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:26.840 actually the one other thing about stats is that when 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:29.519 talking about this rise anti semitism, because there's been a 1:54:29.560 --> 1:54:32.080 lot of articles from mainstream news outlets being like, here's 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:35.720 the rise antisemitism, and here's the stats, another thing pointing 1:54:35.760 --> 1:54:39.240 towards why these stats are unreliable and the reason why 1:54:39.240 --> 1:54:42.640 I'm not going to be using them largely is because 1:54:43.160 --> 1:54:46.240 many of the stats included and these articles are crime stats, 1:54:46.680 --> 1:54:50.560 and these crime stats are also proving to be heavily unreliable. 1:54:50.880 --> 1:54:53.680 For example, the Metropolitan Police claimed that there was a 1:54:54.000 --> 1:54:56.480 one thousand and three hundred and fifty percent increase in 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:59.920 anti Semitic hate crimes in London during the first two 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:02.560 two and a half weeks of October, with two hundred 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:05.240 and eighteen anti Semitic offenses in London during that time 1:55:05.320 --> 1:55:09.480 period compared to only fifteen in twenty twenty two. But 1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:13.720 included in these stats are incidents like the police in 1:55:13.800 --> 1:55:16.880 London arresting a man for tearing down some of those 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:20.000 hostage posters. That's one of the hate crimes that they 1:55:20.040 --> 1:55:25.120 include in this, and also the met said that that's 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:28.280 the Metropolitan Police said that chanting from the river to 1:55:28.360 --> 1:55:31.640 the sea near Jewish people or near Jewish buildings during 1:55:31.640 --> 1:55:34.800 a protest would be deemed unlawful. And I think there 1:55:34.880 --> 1:55:37.520 is a debate to be had whether if you're just 1:55:37.640 --> 1:55:40.760 protesting outside of a random Jewish building, that's probably not 1:55:41.000 --> 1:55:44.120 great and that could be an indicator of anti Semitism, 1:55:44.560 --> 1:55:49.320 but having that chant be deemed unlawful for just being 1:55:49.560 --> 1:55:52.400 near other Jewish people, Like I said, at the rally 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:54.920 in Atlanta, there was a whole bunch of Jewish counter 1:55:54.960 --> 1:55:57.360 protesters who came to start fights. So like, you're going 1:55:57.440 --> 1:55:59.400 to be around Jewish people if you're a march you're 1:55:59.440 --> 1:56:02.720 marching around, or if you're outside in Israeli embassy that's 1:56:02.760 --> 1:56:05.040 a that's an it M I opinion, a very valid 1:56:05.160 --> 1:56:07.760 target for protest that would be considered a Jewish building. 1:56:08.200 --> 1:56:11.800 So all of these stats are heavily heavily skewed by 1:56:11.840 --> 1:56:14.720 these by by these sorts of reasons for how how 1:56:15.520 --> 1:56:17.040 how the met is, including. 1:56:16.680 --> 1:56:18.720 Things as being anti Semitic hate crimes. 1:56:19.360 --> 1:56:20.920 Yeah, and I mean like this, like if you just 1:56:21.040 --> 1:56:25.080 think about what the rationale is there for a second, 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:27.960 Like is a group of anti Sionist Jews chanting from 1:56:28.040 --> 1:56:30.000 the river to the sea around themselves a hate crime? 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:35.040 Exactly rightight? Like this is nonsense? Like so, and also 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:35.600 you know what I mean. 1:56:36.040 --> 1:56:38.760 And also like this is the British police, Like those 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:41.440 are the most anti Semitic motherfuckers this side of like 1:56:42.840 --> 1:56:44.800 the Ukrainian neo Nazis or something. 1:56:45.040 --> 1:56:47.839 And like I do not doubt there was an actual 1:56:47.920 --> 1:56:50.880 increase of anti Semitic attacks bendless hate speech. That that 1:56:51.360 --> 1:56:53.800 is what we're talking about in this episode. We will 1:56:53.840 --> 1:56:56.800 be getting into many incidents, but it is difficult to 1:56:56.840 --> 1:56:59.920 pin down some of what these really big stats actually 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:04.120 represent because if tearing down one of those silly Hamas 1:57:04.360 --> 1:57:07.360 wanted posters is being labeled a hate crime on the 1:57:07.440 --> 1:57:10.760 same level as drawing a swastika on a synagogue. That 1:57:10.960 --> 1:57:13.800 data is basically useless, and now I think it's also 1:57:13.840 --> 1:57:16.520 worth mentioning, just very very briefly, the Metropolitan Police also 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:19.480 recorded a one hundred and forty percent increase in Islamophobic 1:57:19.560 --> 1:57:21.760 incidents during those first two and a half weeks of 1:57:21.840 --> 1:57:26.640 October's that's forty two incidents in twenty twenty two compared 1:57:26.640 --> 1:57:29.320 to one hundred and three incidents in twenty twenty three. 1:57:29.760 --> 1:57:32.240 And while that percentage is lower than the anti Semitic 1:57:32.320 --> 1:57:35.840 stat it also indicates how much more common Islamophobia in 1:57:35.960 --> 1:57:39.520 London is because the regular amount of reported incidents from 1:57:39.600 --> 1:57:42.560 last year is so much higher than the regular reported 1:57:42.560 --> 1:57:45.839 amount of anti Semitic incidents. Like having forty two incidents 1:57:46.120 --> 1:57:48.360 per like two and a half weeks, be the normal 1:57:48.480 --> 1:57:54.560 stat is not great and maybe someone should look into 1:57:54.680 --> 1:57:59.840 why British people are so islamophobic. I mean that there's 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:03.600 that that's a whole episode in and of itself. Is 1:58:03.640 --> 1:58:06.440 Amophobia in the UK is a massive, massive problem. But 1:58:06.800 --> 1:58:09.120 just as a comparison, I thought I might as well 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:13.680 say that we will get to Honkah next. But it 1:58:13.760 --> 1:58:17.680 has already been thirteen minutes of me talking about stats 1:58:17.720 --> 1:58:20.560 and giving disclaivers, so that means it's time for an 1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:23.200 ad break. I'm not going to do a silly ad transition. 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:36.320 Just listen to the ads. All right, we are back, 1:58:37.040 --> 1:58:41.400 since we just finally escaped the holiday season, Let's begin 1:58:41.520 --> 1:58:46.280 by talking about Honkkah. Public manoras, often without any extra 1:58:46.480 --> 1:58:49.120 like iconography tying them to the state of Israel, were 1:58:49.160 --> 1:58:52.400 a frequent target of vandalism and anti Semitic messaging. During 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:55.040 the months of December, a far right member of parliament 1:58:55.120 --> 1:58:57.840 in Poland used a fire extinguisher to blow at the 1:58:57.920 --> 1:59:00.840 candles on a minora in the lobby of parliam A 1:59:00.880 --> 1:59:03.560 public menora in London had its light bulbs smashed with 1:59:03.680 --> 1:59:06.480 a free Palestine sticker placed onto the front, and then 1:59:06.600 --> 1:59:09.480 days later it was found toppled over and left in pieces. 1:59:10.400 --> 1:59:13.360 There's many of these incidents. I'm just gonna name a 1:59:13.400 --> 1:59:15.320 few more, just because at a certain point it kind 1:59:15.320 --> 1:59:17.480 of becomes redundant. But I think these things are worth 1:59:17.520 --> 1:59:21.120 talking about. An eleven foot, three hundred and fifty pound 1:59:21.240 --> 1:59:25.440 menora next to Lake Mari in Oakland was cut up 1:59:25.560 --> 1:59:29.600 and destroyed in mid December, with pieces being thrown into 1:59:29.640 --> 1:59:34.200 the nearby lake. A message was graffitied that led We're 1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:38.920 gonna find you. You're on alert. It was also reported 1:59:39.080 --> 1:59:42.720 that there was graffiti left nearby that read free Palestine 1:59:42.760 --> 1:59:43.200 in Arabic. 1:59:43.280 --> 1:59:44.160 But I can't confirm that. 1:59:44.640 --> 1:59:47.360 The picture they have online does not match what free 1:59:47.400 --> 1:59:49.680 Palestine in airboth looks like. But I'm not an expert 1:59:50.080 --> 1:59:53.040 on Arabic, so i just can't confirm that, but that 1:59:53.160 --> 1:59:56.800 is being reported in local Jewish newspapers. Manora sand sculpture 1:59:56.840 --> 1:59:59.840 commissioned in Palm Beach was destroyed and left defaced with 2:00:00.000 --> 2:00:03.240 a swastika outside of synagogue in a suburb of Washington, 2:00:03.320 --> 2:00:05.520 d C. A Manora was toppled over on the eve 2:00:05.560 --> 2:00:08.240 of Honka, and two manoras were vandalized and damaged in 2:00:08.320 --> 2:00:13.480 Brooklyn in early December by masked individuals. So one other 2:00:13.640 --> 2:00:16.280 similar incident I will talk about, which is kind of interesting, 2:00:16.800 --> 2:00:19.520 is that there was this pro Palestine protest at Yale 2:00:20.160 --> 2:00:23.840 where a one of the protesters climbed up onto this 2:00:24.080 --> 2:00:26.160 massive I don't know how tall it was, but it 2:00:26.240 --> 2:00:28.600 was huge. They had to climb up pretty high on 2:00:28.720 --> 2:00:32.400 this big public menora and placed a Palestinian flag kind 2:00:32.440 --> 2:00:35.440 of around one of the little arms on the manora. 2:00:35.840 --> 2:00:39.240 But very quickly, like within seconds of this happening, other 2:00:39.520 --> 2:00:44.280 pro Palestine protesters, noticing this is kind of disrespectful, asked 2:00:44.320 --> 2:00:47.200 this person to take it down, like like almost almost immediately. 2:00:47.360 --> 2:00:50.600 This is a very a very quick exchange, and this 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:54.440 kind of sparked some people talking about, you know, is 2:00:54.480 --> 2:00:59.200 it okay to put Palestinian flags on manora? Is it 2:00:59.240 --> 2:01:03.360 okay to vanelize manoras? Which the answer is no, The 2:01:03.400 --> 2:01:07.200 answer you shouldn't vandalize a manora. That's generally not great. 2:01:07.320 --> 2:01:12.200 But you know, people were saying and specifically pointing towards 2:01:12.600 --> 2:01:17.000 like pictures of IDF soldiers who've been taking territory in Gaza, 2:01:17.240 --> 2:01:20.400 who've been putting up manoras in Gaza, or like the 2:01:20.560 --> 2:01:23.520 Israeli military doing these photo ops with big manoras in 2:01:23.560 --> 2:01:26.000 different parts of gazas being like, hey, when there's this 2:01:26.080 --> 2:01:28.960 active ethnic cleansing going on and soldiers are using this 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:33.760 religious iconography and it's being associated directly with this, with 2:01:33.920 --> 2:01:36.880 this ongoing ethnic genocide, how can you blame people who 2:01:36.880 --> 2:01:39.960 are going to be treating this symbol with hostility, and 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:44.040 I think there's a few problems with this idea. I'm 2:01:44.040 --> 2:01:45.960 going to quote from this Jewish artist who goes by 2:01:46.120 --> 2:01:49.920 Underscore a Nunnery, who I think phrased this really well quote. 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:53.840 Jewish symbols shouldn't be associated with Zionism or ceded to 2:01:53.920 --> 2:01:58.000 them just because Zionists abuse them. If the manora were 2:01:58.040 --> 2:02:01.280 put up by Zionists, as some explicit the Zionist display, 2:02:01.720 --> 2:02:04.919 then putting up a Palestadian flag would be an active resistance. 2:02:05.400 --> 2:02:09.040 If it's not, then it's just cementing the Zionist conflation 2:02:09.480 --> 2:02:12.800 and exploitation of Jewish identity. There are more non Jewish 2:02:12.880 --> 2:02:16.560 Zionists than there are Jews, unquote. And this gets at 2:02:16.600 --> 2:02:18.400 a point which I think is really important when you're 2:02:18.400 --> 2:02:24.480 talking about anti Zionist activism. Attacking symbols of Jewish culture 2:02:24.640 --> 2:02:28.440 in the name of anti Zionism only strengthens the cause 2:02:28.480 --> 2:02:32.440 of Zionism by affirming the conflation of Judaism and Zionism, 2:02:32.760 --> 2:02:36.200 or Judaism and the State of Israel. This conflation helps 2:02:36.320 --> 2:02:40.200 Zionists shield their actions by abusing the Jewish identity and 2:02:40.320 --> 2:02:44.680 making these two things be more like intersectional. So I 2:02:44.760 --> 2:02:48.440 think that is one a strategic reason for ya this 2:02:48.560 --> 2:02:51.760 is a bad idea, and two it's maybe slightly anti Semitic. 2:02:52.080 --> 2:02:55.640 So that is my little holiday section just because I 2:02:55.680 --> 2:02:58.680 saw a whole bunch of stuff around these manoras and 2:02:59.280 --> 2:03:00.480 I didn't feel about it. 2:03:01.600 --> 2:03:04.680 Yeah, like this sucks, like please don't do this. 2:03:05.080 --> 2:03:08.160 And I've seen some people like also using the comparison 2:03:08.240 --> 2:03:12.640 of like would you would you also criticize indigenous people 2:03:12.880 --> 2:03:18.000 in America for graffitiing or taking down images of like 2:03:18.200 --> 2:03:23.000 Christian iconography and like, No, because the oppression faced by 2:03:23.160 --> 2:03:26.200 Christians and the oppression faced by Jewish people are two 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:30.200 different things. Like these are these are actually historically these 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:33.360 are very different things. So no, these things actually cannot 2:03:33.360 --> 2:03:36.480 be compared in my opinion. But now I'm going to 2:03:36.520 --> 2:03:39.000 talk about some international incidents because I think we have 2:03:39.080 --> 2:03:41.400 a tendency to overfocus on America when there's a whole 2:03:41.400 --> 2:03:43.840 bunch of other stuff happening and you know, the rest 2:03:43.880 --> 2:03:48.080 of the world. Back in October, a historic synagogue in 2:03:48.120 --> 2:03:50.800 Tunisia was burned down by a mob of hundreds of 2:03:50.840 --> 2:03:54.120 people in response to reports that in Israeli airstrike hit 2:03:54.200 --> 2:03:55.440 a hospital in Gaza. 2:03:56.880 --> 2:03:57.520 This sucks. 2:03:58.680 --> 2:04:02.200 I shouldn't have to explain why burning down a historical 2:04:02.640 --> 2:04:06.160 synagogue is antisemitic because you don't like something the state 2:04:06.160 --> 2:04:06.800 of Israel did. 2:04:06.960 --> 2:04:11.480 That's just that. Just isn't that just isn't like, that's 2:04:11.560 --> 2:04:14.000 just not se shit like come on. Yeah. 2:04:15.000 --> 2:04:18.680 So a month later in November, someone posted the video 2:04:18.720 --> 2:04:22.320 online of themselves pouring fuel and setting fire to the 2:04:22.480 --> 2:04:26.080 only synagogue in Armenia. The entrance was damaged in the 2:04:26.200 --> 2:04:29.680 arsen attack, but no one was hurt. The only synagogue 2:04:29.720 --> 2:04:32.760 in Vortswaft, Poland. Sorry I pride butchered that, but it 2:04:32.920 --> 2:04:35.880 is a hard word, but the only synagogue in this 2:04:36.000 --> 2:04:38.880 town of Poland to survive the Holocaust was defaced with 2:04:38.960 --> 2:04:44.040 graffiti that read quote Israel criminals and murderers unquote and 2:04:44.160 --> 2:04:47.120 then like a week I guess. Earlier that week a 2:04:47.160 --> 2:04:49.680 group of teenagers also destroyed a an aura in this 2:04:49.920 --> 2:04:55.280 same town. In mid October, Maltov cocktails were thrown at 2:04:55.320 --> 2:04:59.800 a synagogue in Berlin after Hanukkah. In Belgium, a Jewish 2:05:00.120 --> 2:05:04.720 materi was vandalized with swastikas on gravestones in late no 2:05:05.080 --> 2:05:07.720 In In late November, a mult have cocktail was thrown 2:05:07.720 --> 2:05:11.040 at a Jewish community center in Montreal. Earlier that month, 2:05:11.200 --> 2:05:14.360 shots were fired at two different Jewish schools in Montreal 2:05:14.760 --> 2:05:19.080 in three different incidents, and four Holocaust memorials in Germany 2:05:19.360 --> 2:05:23.520 were vandalized with a mix of antisemitic and anti Zionist messages. 2:05:25.320 --> 2:05:27.560 So again, like when I was looking at these ones 2:05:27.880 --> 2:05:31.320 once in Germany, the actual content of about half of 2:05:31.360 --> 2:05:34.680 these messages were not anti Semitic. But the act of 2:05:34.800 --> 2:05:38.400 doing this at a at a at a Holocaust memorial 2:05:39.240 --> 2:05:42.000 just is like it it it gives me the ick. 2:05:42.120 --> 2:05:44.680 And there's arguments could be made that this does actually 2:05:44.720 --> 2:05:48.880 play into antisemitic troops, like you're what, You're blaming dead 2:05:49.040 --> 2:05:52.680 Jewish people for the actions of the current state of Israel. 2:05:53.440 --> 2:05:56.200 Like that's it's it just And also half half of 2:05:56.280 --> 2:06:00.760 these messages left at these at these Holocausts were also 2:06:00.800 --> 2:06:03.920 just blatantly at anti Semitic, like very clearly like Nazi 2:06:04.000 --> 2:06:04.600 style stuff. 2:06:04.960 --> 2:06:07.240 I don't have time to go over all of the 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:11.160 incidents across the Europe. There is a great deal many. 2:06:11.280 --> 2:06:13.160 There's many, many, many that I've not mentioned. 2:06:13.240 --> 2:06:15.200 These are just a few. Like I said, I'm focusing 2:06:15.280 --> 2:06:19.040 on like vandalism, very very clear cut stuff, people doing 2:06:19.160 --> 2:06:22.160 arson attacks, right, it's just very very basic stuff. This 2:06:22.200 --> 2:06:26.160 stuff in Montreal not great, Montreal, Canada, get your shit together. 2:06:27.120 --> 2:06:31.200 Although unfortunately not surprising but still upsetting is Jews being 2:06:31.280 --> 2:06:34.800 barred from shops across Turkey. And oh there's a whole 2:06:34.960 --> 2:06:38.120 a whole bunch of very gross government government sponsored anti 2:06:38.120 --> 2:06:42.120 semitism across Turkey campaigns to prohibit the sale of land 2:06:42.280 --> 2:06:44.960 to Jewish people. A lot of a lot of bad 2:06:44.960 --> 2:06:46.960 stuff in Turkey. But that's not incredibly surprising. 2:06:48.200 --> 2:06:50.960 Yeah, I mean it's aired Wan, Like, yeah, he fucking 2:06:51.200 --> 2:06:55.600 sucks ass and he oh yeah. Airedwan is a man 2:06:55.640 --> 2:06:58.840 who has personally ordered children to be burned alive with firebombs, 2:06:58.920 --> 2:07:02.240 so you know this is not out of character for him. 2:07:02.920 --> 2:07:06.320 Yeah, and I guess, uh finally this this one one 2:07:06.360 --> 2:07:09.760 other thing about Honkah is that so last month, right 2:07:09.800 --> 2:07:12.600 after the end of Honkah, bomb threats were sent out 2:07:12.840 --> 2:07:15.839 en mass to more than four hundred Jewish Jewish centers 2:07:15.880 --> 2:07:19.640 and synagogues across the United States. This was most likely 2:07:19.760 --> 2:07:23.000 orchestrated by the same kind of small number of individuals. 2:07:23.120 --> 2:07:25.760 All of the messages were very similar. None of these 2:07:25.840 --> 2:07:29.520 were incredibly credible, but it still sparked a whole bunch 2:07:29.520 --> 2:07:33.880 of bomb sweeps and concerned because when Jewish synagogues get 2:07:33.960 --> 2:07:36.760 bomb threats, that's not an empty threat either, Like this 2:07:36.960 --> 2:07:38.760 is like there is historical precedent. 2:07:40.040 --> 2:07:40.200 Yeah. 2:07:40.280 --> 2:07:42.000 Well, and I also like I think, I think the 2:07:42.040 --> 2:07:45.880 everything that's important about this too is like this, this 2:07:46.040 --> 2:07:47.520 is you know, this is like one of the things 2:07:47.600 --> 2:07:50.840 is the culmination of everything that Wright's been doing for 2:07:50.880 --> 2:07:53.400 the last like eight years has been the development of 2:07:53.600 --> 2:07:55.600 like this quadre of people who do bomb threats. 2:07:55.400 --> 2:07:58.440 Calling in bomb threats as a tactics. Yes, no, there's 2:07:58.560 --> 2:08:02.920 the concerted effort form threats at hospitals that provide transgender care, 2:08:03.280 --> 2:08:08.240 abortion clinics. There was a string of weirdly organized bomb 2:08:08.280 --> 2:08:10.840 threats against schools about a year or two ago. But 2:08:10.920 --> 2:08:12.960 I think I think Robert did an episode. 2:08:12.600 --> 2:08:15.200 On yeah now and now we're here at you know, 2:08:15.360 --> 2:08:19.560 we're at bomb threats you can synagogues, which is terrifying. 2:08:20.480 --> 2:08:23.320 According to the Secure Community Network, a nonprofit security organization 2:08:23.440 --> 2:08:26.720 that tracks threats made against Jewish communities, bomb threats and 2:08:26.800 --> 2:08:30.680 swatting incidents, basically freight trying to get a swat team 2:08:30.720 --> 2:08:33.600 to show up somewhere because you lied about there being 2:08:34.080 --> 2:08:37.080 like an ongoing crime or something. But bomb threats and 2:08:37.080 --> 2:08:40.320 swatting incidents targeted against Jewish centers saw over a five 2:08:40.440 --> 2:08:42.960 hundred percent increase in twenty twenty three compared to the 2:08:43.000 --> 2:08:46.360 previous year, which I have no reason to believe is incorrect. 2:08:46.800 --> 2:08:51.200 So on that note, I know, I don't really think 2:08:51.280 --> 2:08:54.960 we could have a bomb threat segue to adds, I 2:08:55.080 --> 2:08:59.200 really don't really don't know. Don't do bomb, don't do 2:08:59.400 --> 2:09:04.960 bomb threat specypically, this is what I got. Yeah, typically, anyway, 2:09:05.520 --> 2:09:08.960 do you know what else is to bomb these ads? Okay, fine, 2:09:19.280 --> 2:09:22.280 all right, we are back. Maybe the worst air transition 2:09:22.360 --> 2:09:26.760 we've ever done. That's not true, That is definitely not true. 2:09:26.880 --> 2:09:31.440 Yeah, okay, okay, you're right. Okay. 2:09:31.840 --> 2:09:33.880 So during this last section, I'm gonna talk a little 2:09:33.880 --> 2:09:37.280 bit more about data aggregation. So, like I said previously 2:09:37.360 --> 2:09:39.200 in this episode, due to the nature of what my 2:09:39.360 --> 2:09:42.480 job is and the nature of what an ADL analyst's 2:09:42.560 --> 2:09:45.200 job is, they just have a lot more time to 2:09:45.680 --> 2:09:50.760 dedicate towards specifically logging anti Semitic incidents. So I did 2:09:50.840 --> 2:09:54.280 look through their data set and I've made some extrapolations 2:09:54.560 --> 2:09:57.080 based on some of the findings and some of the 2:09:57.160 --> 2:10:01.040 open source data that they have regarding specific in so 2:10:01.320 --> 2:10:04.760 on that note, the ADL has logged around one thousand 2:10:04.880 --> 2:10:09.160 and one hundred anti Semitic incidents since October seventh, not 2:10:09.520 --> 2:10:13.400 related to protest rallies. So this is specifically all the 2:10:13.440 --> 2:10:17.960 incidents that are not related to these big pro Palestinian 2:10:18.200 --> 2:10:22.760 Interfaith many Jewish led rallies. Now I'm not saying that 2:10:23.000 --> 2:10:26.160 nothing anti Semitic has not happened at any of those rallies, 2:10:26.760 --> 2:10:30.560 but these rallies were logged simply as quote anti Israel 2:10:30.800 --> 2:10:35.720 rallies which featured over anti Semitism, anti Zionism, and or 2:10:35.800 --> 2:10:40.760 expressions of support for terror. So crammed in the middle 2:10:40.800 --> 2:10:44.960 of that explanation is just anti Zionism. So that is 2:10:45.160 --> 2:10:49.520 one thing they are just counting as being enough to 2:10:49.600 --> 2:10:52.720 be logged as an anti Semitic incident. So again, I'm 2:10:52.760 --> 2:10:56.200 not going through the over like one thousand rallies that 2:10:56.280 --> 2:10:58.240 they have logged here just because I don't have the 2:10:58.360 --> 2:11:01.320 time and I don't feel like it. But yes, just 2:11:01.440 --> 2:11:05.080 for full transparency, that is the information. I'm not going 2:11:05.160 --> 2:11:07.640 to be looking at instead, I'm looking at these one 2:11:07.680 --> 2:11:10.919 thousand and one hundred other incidents not related to these protests. 2:11:11.360 --> 2:11:15.400 So these one thy one hundred harassment and vandalism incidents 2:11:15.480 --> 2:11:19.280 include things from anti Zionist slash, anti Israel stickers and 2:11:19.360 --> 2:11:23.160 graffiti being left at universities and synagogues, the latter which 2:11:23.200 --> 2:11:26.120 I believe is in poor taste, but also you know 2:11:26.400 --> 2:11:30.120 swastikas being painted on synagogues, extremely anti Semitic messages being 2:11:30.200 --> 2:11:34.680 left at Jewish centers, and street harassment targeting visibly Jewish people, 2:11:35.120 --> 2:11:38.640 as well as just overt to neo Nazi activity under 2:11:38.680 --> 2:11:43.480 the banner of free Palestine. Now, of these over one 2:11:43.560 --> 2:11:46.320 thousand and one hundred incidents, I'd say that a very 2:11:46.440 --> 2:11:50.400 small minority of them are principled anti Zionist activism, which 2:11:50.400 --> 2:11:54.200 has been mislabeled. Most of the data in these one 2:11:54.280 --> 2:11:59.400 thousand incidents is just blatant anti semitism, I an specifically 2:11:59.440 --> 2:12:03.160 directed to words, just regular Jewish people, people writing kill 2:12:03.280 --> 2:12:06.160 Jews and bathroom stalls, threats being sent to Jewish people 2:12:06.240 --> 2:12:09.920 mentioning Hitler or Hermas, a lot of just extremely gross 2:12:09.960 --> 2:12:14.320 stuff like there's too many, There's too many, Just like 2:12:14.760 --> 2:12:18.400 threats that mentioned the word Jews that I just can't 2:12:18.440 --> 2:12:20.440 even read them all, nor do I want to, because 2:12:20.440 --> 2:12:24.040 it's just gross. Like there is a truly upsetting number. 2:12:24.080 --> 2:12:25.880 Which is why I wanted to make this episode in 2:12:25.960 --> 2:12:29.400 the first place, is because I've been seeing this pretty 2:12:29.400 --> 2:12:31.560 big rise of anti Semitism. Other people have as well, 2:12:31.920 --> 2:12:34.120 and I felt like this wasn't probably being as talked 2:12:34.160 --> 2:12:36.000 about as much as it should be among the anti 2:12:36.040 --> 2:12:39.560 fascist left, because you know, everyone's focusing on this ethnic 2:12:39.600 --> 2:12:42.640 cleansing that's happening, because that is very bad. But meanwhile, 2:12:42.720 --> 2:12:45.720 there's this other massive problem that if you care about 2:12:46.040 --> 2:12:50.280 fascist entryism, if you care about anti Semitic behavior and 2:12:50.400 --> 2:12:54.480 actions being either allowed to happen in leftist spaces or 2:12:54.600 --> 2:12:56.640 just happening in general, Like a lot of the stuff 2:12:56.760 --> 2:12:59.720 is being done by fascists who are not who are 2:12:59.760 --> 2:13:02.440 not you know, going to a pro Palestine rally because 2:13:02.520 --> 2:13:05.240 they believe in anti imperialism. But there's just a lot 2:13:05.280 --> 2:13:07.040 of this stuff happening, which is why I think it 2:13:07.160 --> 2:13:08.880 is need needing to be talked about. 2:13:09.360 --> 2:13:09.520 Now. 2:13:09.720 --> 2:13:12.360 There are a number of instances that are logged in 2:13:12.440 --> 2:13:16.600 these one thousand, one hundred incidents here, such as you know, 2:13:16.800 --> 2:13:20.080 for I'm just gonna I'm gonna pull from actual examples. 2:13:20.360 --> 2:13:22.280 But also this is kind of generalizing because this was 2:13:22.320 --> 2:13:26.320 also reflecting a small trend things like pro Palestine phrases 2:13:26.440 --> 2:13:30.440 being yelled at random Jewish people on the street, having 2:13:30.640 --> 2:13:34.640 like Antizionist stickers being poorly placed in different locations like 2:13:34.720 --> 2:13:40.120 at a Jewish cemetery, vandalizing non political Jewish owned businesses 2:13:40.200 --> 2:13:43.640 with anti Zionist phrases, even like breaking the windows of 2:13:44.240 --> 2:13:47.760 random Jewish owned businesses with no ties to Israel or 2:13:47.800 --> 2:13:51.720 the IDF and leaving anti Zionist phrases or pro Palestine 2:13:51.760 --> 2:13:56.560 phrases graffitied next to these broken windows. Now, while the 2:13:56.640 --> 2:14:00.480 content of what's being actually said in these incidents may 2:14:00.560 --> 2:14:05.080 not be like anti Semitic in nature by itself, right, 2:14:05.200 --> 2:14:09.200 like just having very basic anti Sionist phrases being graffeited 2:14:09.560 --> 2:14:13.400 that may not be anti Semitic itself, like that combination 2:14:13.480 --> 2:14:19.240 of words. This sort of activity, though, plays into a 2:14:19.360 --> 2:14:23.080 classic anti Semitic kind of trope, as if every like 2:14:23.200 --> 2:14:27.080 random Jewish person is somehow in part responsible for the 2:14:27.160 --> 2:14:31.720 actions of Israel, and it also conflates Jewish identity with Zionism, 2:14:32.040 --> 2:14:34.880 which is the problem that we were talking about before 2:14:34.920 --> 2:14:37.680 when we started this episode, right when I was talking 2:14:37.680 --> 2:14:41.040 about the stuff with Hanuka just a few hours ago 2:14:41.240 --> 2:14:47.440 as of time of recording, the corvalis anti fascist branch. 2:14:47.520 --> 2:14:50.120 I guess, yeah, yeah, I think they're a member of 2:14:50.200 --> 2:14:53.280 Torch put out this thread about how the GDL, the 2:14:53.320 --> 2:14:55.560 Going Defense League. We talked about them previously in this episode. 2:14:55.560 --> 2:14:58.520 They're a big group of organized neo Nazis that spread 2:14:58.760 --> 2:15:02.760 a lot of anti Semitic stuff, How they hijacked a 2:15:03.960 --> 2:15:08.560 city council meeting to spread anti Semitic stuff during a 2:15:08.640 --> 2:15:14.000 discussion of a during a discussion about a ceasefire resolution. 2:15:15.000 --> 2:15:17.560 And I think they kind of ended their thread by 2:15:17.720 --> 2:15:21.000 talking about how it is extremely important to call out 2:15:21.080 --> 2:15:24.680 the conflation of the Jewish people with the genocidal actions 2:15:24.720 --> 2:15:27.880 of the State of Israel and assertions that the media 2:15:28.080 --> 2:15:31.760 is controlled by Jews or that regular Jews have some 2:15:31.920 --> 2:15:35.400 kind of say in everything that's happening. Right, it gets 2:15:35.440 --> 2:15:39.160 in this kind of like cabalish notion. Now back to 2:15:39.360 --> 2:15:42.120 kind of the data that I was talking about, these 2:15:42.200 --> 2:15:47.360 sorts of incidents are vastly, vastly outweighed by the number 2:15:47.480 --> 2:15:51.960 of just overt jew hatred, invoking of anti Semitic conspiracy theories, 2:15:52.040 --> 2:15:55.000 calling for the death of Jews, and swastikas. But I 2:15:55.240 --> 2:15:58.640 still think it's extremely important to mention because the targeting 2:15:58.680 --> 2:16:01.320 of random Jewish people in business is itself that is 2:16:01.400 --> 2:16:04.640 a form of anti Semitism, and this activity helps to 2:16:04.680 --> 2:16:08.440 reinforce the abuse of the Jewish identity by inextricately linking 2:16:08.520 --> 2:16:13.440 it to Zionism, which only strengthens the Zionist ideology. So 2:16:14.160 --> 2:16:16.880 that's that's that's my little mini rant about the way 2:16:16.920 --> 2:16:19.200 we've been seeing some of these things play out. Now, 2:16:19.840 --> 2:16:24.000 many of these over a thousand incidents logged use anti 2:16:24.160 --> 2:16:27.879 Zionism as a sort of cover for just spreading anti Semitism, 2:16:28.440 --> 2:16:32.680 particularly from known white supremacist and neo Nazi groups. The 2:16:32.800 --> 2:16:35.520 GDL is a good example. There's also groups like White 2:16:35.560 --> 2:16:38.360 Lives Matter and a number of others that I could 2:16:38.480 --> 2:16:41.480 name that when you're looking through the ADL's data on 2:16:41.520 --> 2:16:45.840 these one thousand or so incidents, a large large amount 2:16:45.879 --> 2:16:49.280 of them are done by the Goam Defense League, the GDL, 2:16:49.959 --> 2:16:53.640 And this is this is this is a strategic thing 2:16:53.680 --> 2:16:57.000 for them, right They're seeing the kind of moment that 2:16:57.040 --> 2:16:59.640 people are in culturally, the way people are talking about Israel, 2:17:00.080 --> 2:17:03.440 and if they can find a way to squeeze in 2:17:03.879 --> 2:17:07.560 their neo Nazi talking points kind of under this very 2:17:07.879 --> 2:17:13.000 very thin Palestine kind of veneer, that's great for them. 2:17:13.320 --> 2:17:17.040 If they can get people to start almost mindlessly repeating 2:17:17.080 --> 2:17:19.480 their style of talking points, that's great for them. Right, 2:17:20.040 --> 2:17:22.000 it makes sense why they're putting so much time and 2:17:22.240 --> 2:17:25.200 dedication to this, because they're trying to use this moment 2:17:25.600 --> 2:17:30.000 and abuse the thousands of people who might be more 2:17:30.040 --> 2:17:33.200 susceptible to this right now to spread their ideology and 2:17:33.959 --> 2:17:37.120 to do and to do entryism like this is a 2:17:37.240 --> 2:17:40.240 part of what their tactic is. So while it's true 2:17:40.280 --> 2:17:43.840 that many of these incidents do come from explicitly Nazi groups, 2:17:44.320 --> 2:17:49.440 there's also just a really upsettingly and shockingly large number 2:17:49.520 --> 2:17:53.640 of them that come from students, students from middle school 2:17:53.720 --> 2:17:57.360 to college who are ostensibly anti Israel but are going 2:17:57.400 --> 2:18:02.840 about it via targeting randomish people and spreading anti Semitism, 2:18:02.879 --> 2:18:05.360 whether that's intended or not. But a lot of the 2:18:05.400 --> 2:18:08.280 talking points are just anti Semitic talking points. Now, I 2:18:08.360 --> 2:18:10.360 can't I'm not in the heads of anybody I'm not 2:18:10.440 --> 2:18:13.840 talking to the twelve year old in some middle school 2:18:13.879 --> 2:18:17.360 in Colorado who's leaving anti Semitic messages in a bathroom stall, 2:18:17.840 --> 2:18:21.800 but the effect is kind of the same. And just 2:18:21.959 --> 2:18:26.320 the sheer number of specifically like like like middle school, 2:18:26.440 --> 2:18:30.000 junior high, high school, instance, that are logged among this 2:18:30.080 --> 2:18:33.480 thousand was just incredibly incredibly distressing. 2:18:34.800 --> 2:18:37.760 Yeah, And I I mean, I think I think a 2:18:37.879 --> 2:18:42.160 lot of what's going on here is that, like the 2:18:42.400 --> 2:18:46.400 US is a culturally Christian society, right like it has 2:18:47.320 --> 2:18:50.520 like of the developed countries, the US is like one 2:18:50.600 --> 2:18:55.280 of the most Christian and American Christianity. And this is 2:18:55.480 --> 2:19:02.720 true of like in different ways of like just basically 2:19:02.800 --> 2:19:06.200 all of the major Christian de nominations are enormously anti Semitic, 2:19:06.840 --> 2:19:09.080 like and there are any Seminican theory in different in 2:19:09.160 --> 2:19:11.280 different in weird ways. Like I mean, I spent some 2:19:11.360 --> 2:19:15.560 time recently for something else, like reading about like this 2:19:15.760 --> 2:19:18.040 argument between like the Evangelicals who are like, we need 2:19:18.120 --> 2:19:20.240 to we need to have all the Jews go back 2:19:20.240 --> 2:19:23.039 to Israel so that we can bring about the Second Coming. 2:19:23.560 --> 2:19:26.200 And they were gonna fight with the the hard line 2:19:26.520 --> 2:19:29.959 like right wing Lutherans and the hard, hardline right wing 2:19:30.040 --> 2:19:32.000 Lutherans are like, what the fuck do you mean? Like no, 2:19:32.240 --> 2:19:34.520 like the Holy Land belongs to us, not the Jews. 2:19:34.560 --> 2:19:36.000 What the fuck are you guys doing? Right, It's like, 2:19:36.640 --> 2:19:39.640 this is the baseline of American society, right, it's unbelievably 2:19:39.680 --> 2:19:44.920 anti Semitic in ways that you know, are are just 2:19:44.959 --> 2:19:48.560 sort of passed down through like like culture are culturally 2:19:48.600 --> 2:19:53.200 received and absorbed in ways that people don't like see 2:19:53.760 --> 2:19:56.160 or understand or think about, because it's just it's it's 2:19:56.200 --> 2:19:57.960 the wall, it's the water that American that you know, 2:19:58.040 --> 2:20:00.320 you swim in in American culture in this or it's 2:20:00.440 --> 2:20:05.680 like like this hegemonic Christian society, and that means that 2:20:05.920 --> 2:20:09.400 like even people with like at least in their heads, 2:20:09.480 --> 2:20:11.160 good intentions get caught up in this shit. 2:20:11.360 --> 2:20:13.240 It's funning, yeah, and bad. 2:20:13.400 --> 2:20:15.760 And there's also at the same time, a very concerned 2:20:15.800 --> 2:20:21.240 effort to slide in the anti Jewish extremism, anti Semitic rhetoric, 2:20:21.480 --> 2:20:27.720 to slide that in sometimes covertly, sometimes not into lots 2:20:27.760 --> 2:20:31.640 of mainstream discourse and exchanges and social media specifically, TikTok 2:20:31.680 --> 2:20:33.920 has been really has been really bad at this, which 2:20:33.920 --> 2:20:36.160 is where a lot of young people spend probably the 2:20:36.280 --> 2:20:38.400 majority of their day if they're going to be looking 2:20:38.440 --> 2:20:41.119 at their phone, and it's it's I said, I didn't 2:20:41.120 --> 2:20:43.080 want to get into like social media rhetoric. But also 2:20:43.200 --> 2:20:45.280 just like as someone who spent a lot of time 2:20:45.360 --> 2:20:48.200 on four chan and eight chan looking specifically at Nazis, 2:20:48.840 --> 2:20:52.360 the way Twitter currently works is like it is just 2:20:52.640 --> 2:20:56.320 four chan eight chan level stuff pretty commonly, Like if 2:20:56.520 --> 2:20:59.800 I look at the quote tweets of any of almost 2:20:59.800 --> 2:21:03.160 any tweet made by a Jewish person, there is just 2:21:03.920 --> 2:21:08.240 some of the most atrocious, unmoderated anti semitism that I've 2:21:08.280 --> 2:21:11.760 seen on a platform like Twitter, Like this is this 2:21:11.920 --> 2:21:14.480 is really like eight chan level stuff, I think, And 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:17.760 this isn't intentional to slide this stuff in to make 2:21:17.840 --> 2:21:22.520 it look normalized. The ADL reported a nearly one thousand 2:21:22.600 --> 2:21:26.600 percent increase in the daily average of violent messages mentioning 2:21:26.720 --> 2:21:29.959 Jews and Israel in a white supremacist and right wing 2:21:30.120 --> 2:21:34.320 extremist channels on Telegram in the days following the October 2:21:34.400 --> 2:21:39.040 seventh massacre. So this is something that is specifically being 2:21:39.120 --> 2:21:41.920 done in far right spaces. I'm going to quote again 2:21:42.000 --> 2:21:46.320 from this corbalis against fascism. The struggle for the liberation 2:21:46.360 --> 2:21:48.959 of Palestine is one of the most pressing of our time. 2:21:49.360 --> 2:21:52.000 It's imperative that we shut down anti Semitic attempts to 2:21:52.120 --> 2:21:56.000 co op that struggle immediately. Which if you care about 2:21:56.000 --> 2:22:00.600 the liberation of Palestine and palestadining and peep, well, this 2:22:00.760 --> 2:22:03.600 is something you also need to be concerned about, because 2:22:03.640 --> 2:22:07.240 these two things are linked. There's twenty seven assaults have 2:22:07.360 --> 2:22:11.080 been reported. Around eight of these assaults are stemming from 2:22:11.160 --> 2:22:14.600 fights which broke out at protest rallies. I'm not going 2:22:14.680 --> 2:22:17.880 to get into those ones as much because that can 2:22:18.000 --> 2:22:22.280 be tricky because I've seen Zionists start fights like right 2:22:22.360 --> 2:22:25.280 next to me before and then claim a victimhood like no, 2:22:25.560 --> 2:22:29.400 you're the one that started that. You swung a flagpole 2:22:29.760 --> 2:22:33.480 at these people, and then they de escalated very quickly. 2:22:34.000 --> 2:22:36.800 And I'm sure there's incidents of the reverse happening. But 2:22:37.520 --> 2:22:40.280 a majority of these assaults that have been reported are 2:22:40.520 --> 2:22:43.840 very clear cut anti Semitic attacks targeted against Jewish people, 2:22:44.120 --> 2:22:46.480 some of which are quite frightening to read about. There's 2:22:46.520 --> 2:22:49.880 been a large number of a vehicle attacks. There was 2:22:50.040 --> 2:22:54.199 one incident of someone breaking into a Jewish family's home 2:22:54.680 --> 2:22:58.840 and assaulting people inside their own home. Then also there's 2:22:58.879 --> 2:23:01.480 been a number of incidents of just assaulting people as 2:23:01.560 --> 2:23:05.920 they leave synagogues. I've seen very off start fights with 2:23:06.040 --> 2:23:08.960 people right next to that is That is kind of 2:23:09.040 --> 2:23:13.959 what I had to say about this rise in anti Semitism, 2:23:14.040 --> 2:23:17.240 because I saw this being a major problem that was 2:23:17.320 --> 2:23:19.320 being not talked about as much as it should be. 2:23:19.720 --> 2:23:22.120 Because this is it is higher than what we've seen 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:26.280 in years, not to even mention the rise in Islamophobia, 2:23:26.320 --> 2:23:29.840 which is also a massive rise is in Islamophobia has 2:23:29.879 --> 2:23:33.040 been happening the past four months, including resulting in murders. 2:23:33.160 --> 2:23:37.200 Right just in the four weeks after October seventh, the 2:23:37.280 --> 2:23:41.240 Council on American Islamic Relations logged an unprecedented number of 2:23:41.400 --> 2:23:45.680 Islamophobic incidents. The research and advocacy director Corey Saylor said 2:23:45.720 --> 2:23:49.240 in the statement, quote, both Islamophobia and anti Arab racism 2:23:49.320 --> 2:23:50.920 are out of control in ways we have not seen 2:23:50.959 --> 2:23:53.920 in almost ten years. The one thousand, two hundred and 2:23:53.959 --> 2:23:56.280 eighty three complaints we have received over the past month 2:23:56.520 --> 2:23:59.480 represent a two hundred and sixteen percent increase in requests 2:23:59.560 --> 2:24:02.920 for help and reports of bias the islamophobic and anti 2:24:03.000 --> 2:24:07.480 Palestinian rhetoric that have been used to justify both violence 2:24:07.520 --> 2:24:11.120 against Palestinians and Gaza and silence supporters of Palestinian human 2:24:11.200 --> 2:24:14.680 rights here in America have contributed to this unprecedented surge 2:24:14.680 --> 2:24:18.160 in bigotry. It's just been bad the past four months. Yeah, 2:24:18.240 --> 2:24:22.440 it's just things have been bad. There's been murders, there's 2:24:22.480 --> 2:24:26.760 been assaults. It's it's it's it's it's it's horrible. And 2:24:27.120 --> 2:24:28.760 I think both of these things are things that need 2:24:28.840 --> 2:24:33.160 to be need to be interrogated more, the islamophobic incidents 2:24:33.640 --> 2:24:36.800 as well as anti Semitic incidents. So that's what I 2:24:36.879 --> 2:24:40.960 wanted to to talk about as I have been slowly 2:24:41.120 --> 2:24:45.000 slowly logging more synagogue attacks, more death threats, all of 2:24:45.040 --> 2:24:47.560 these sorts of stuff. So yeah, that's kind of all 2:24:47.600 --> 2:24:49.439 I have to say, uh today. 2:24:50.560 --> 2:24:54.000 Yeah, it's it's reel bad. I don't know, I mean, 2:24:56.480 --> 2:24:57.200 it's that out there. 2:24:57.320 --> 2:25:01.080 I mean, if you care about this ruggle of deliberation 2:25:01.400 --> 2:25:04.840 of Palestine and the people in Palestine, you need to 2:25:05.320 --> 2:25:09.039 if you see, if you see anything that plays into 2:25:09.280 --> 2:25:12.760 these sorts of antisemitic tropes that we've talked about blaming 2:25:12.920 --> 2:25:18.600 just random Jewish people for what's going on, Attacking random 2:25:18.720 --> 2:25:22.039 Jewish owned businesses, without any ties to the IDF, without 2:25:22.040 --> 2:25:24.440 any ties to the State of Israel, just all of 2:25:24.520 --> 2:25:28.040 this stuff. It needs to be called out because this actually, 2:25:28.840 --> 2:25:33.480 this sort of thing only strengthens the ideology of Zionism. 2:25:33.720 --> 2:25:36.320 So if you call yourself an anti Zionist, it is 2:25:36.400 --> 2:25:39.640 your imperative duty to be on the watch for this 2:25:39.720 --> 2:25:41.720 sort of thing and stop it if you see it. 2:25:42.480 --> 2:25:46.560 That's kind of the thesis at the end of this. 2:25:47.600 --> 2:25:52.920 All right, Well, without further ado, I think we will 2:25:53.560 --> 2:25:57.480 end this episode. Stay safe out there, everybody. 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