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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 1: All right. It is the official it could happen here

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Speaker 1: predictions episode, And to start off here at Gear has

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Speaker 1: some of our wins and some of our losses from

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Speaker 1: last year's That's right.

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Speaker 3: I took a peek back at our predictions of the

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Speaker 3: past to see how correct we are. We got all

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Speaker 3: of them right, Great job, folks, Let's continue on. No,

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Speaker 3: I will say, obviously the big dub for the year

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Speaker 3: goes to Sophie, who said that Kissinger would die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got that one, said that.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me that I'm a genius.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: We all said to know, there's no chance he's too

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Speaker 3: psychically powerful, but you maintained, and it turns out all

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Speaker 2: That's all we needed.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I really should use these powers. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: You're going to take out next Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We'll get there.

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Speaker 2: Who your prediction might death prediction for us?

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Speaker 1: Just for funzies, We once had a side note we

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Speaker 1: once had back in the beginning times when we actually

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Speaker 1: we once had a prediction of when George H. H W.

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Speaker 2: Bush was going to die and I was also right.

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Speaker 3: So oh, okay, well, Sophie, now you have to be

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Speaker 3: very careful, which one guess, very careful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been watching hard. I've been watching the show You,

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Speaker 2: which is primarily about how being a serial killer is

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Speaker 2: a great idea, and I feel I feel whyting like

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Speaker 2: White Woman was that so that I can protect myself

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Speaker 2: in case Sophie is secretly murdering people, which would just

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Speaker 2: two in a row, two in a row. That's all

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Speaker 1: If I was, it would be in your honor.

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Speaker 3: So so let's talk about two things Robert got wrong Robert.

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Speaker 3: Robert said that there was a decent chance, which I

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Speaker 3: think there was, but it just didn't happen that Nick

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Speaker 3: Fuentes and Kanye West would die together in under some

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Speaker 2: I still feel like that favor, so I think we

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Speaker 2: I still think we got a shot. I honestly I

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Speaker 2: think so too. But it didn't happen last year.

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Speaker 3: The other thing Robert predicted is that there would be

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Speaker 3: a SKA total supremacy that obviously didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: That that happened. I'm sorry that happened. Did you miss

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Speaker 2: me informing Cody Johnston about the Mighty Mighty Bosstones George

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Speaker 1: Because I did, and it was you, unfortunately did And

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Speaker 2: A one of the worst things to say happened to human.

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Speaker 1: Gun, Yes, please continue.

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Speaker 3: It's Mia predicted that there would be kind of a

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Speaker 1: But he also kind of gives Andrew Yang in a

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Speaker 2: Sure sure, sure, yeah, yeah, he's he's the fascist Andrew Yang.

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Speaker 1: He's fascist Andrew Yang, and he's insufferable. He's in fucking insufferable.

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Speaker 3: Mia also predicted that Mike Pence would try to run

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Speaker 2: For fifty percent on that. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: He jogged at most, and then he realized the only

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about some deaths. Mia said that Nom Chansky

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Speaker 3: I similarly thought that Stephen Crowder was gonna die and

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Speaker 3: The one that Sophie's upset about is that she she

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Speaker 1: Take that very personally and it is Staple Center, Thank

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say that's I feel like I'm going

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Speaker 2: to roll that prediction in the next year. Let's run

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Speaker 2: death prediction as well.

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Speaker 3: James James said that there'd be more immigration bullshit, which

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Speaker 3: this last year. Also, James said that Twitter would die,

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Speaker 2: It's no longer Twitter. Correct, It's just like it's just

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Speaker 2: like how Henry Kissinger changed his name. So true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I will say the most impressive kind of

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Speaker 1: And what were you wrong about? Garrison?

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Speaker 3: Thought that Harry Styles would would there'd be some damning

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Speaker 2: Hey, So Sophie's favorite musician, not.

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Speaker 1: My favorite musician, but it puts on a good show.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right. Predictions for this next year, Oh wait,

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Speaker 5: I significantly overestimated my countrymen, and I thought that we'd

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Speaker 3: I don't want to immediately just go to like who's

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Speaker 2: Ideally murder suicide. That's that's my hope for them for once.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with Robert, But.

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Speaker 3: Do we think that Kamala Harris is gonna it's gonna

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Speaker 1: But Joe Biden at least make a Really Joe, it's

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Speaker 3: As for Trump, last year, I said that I think

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, I think Bobby Kennedy, I think you could

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Speaker 2: That we live in the dumbest of all possible world.

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Speaker 2: Dumbest world is Bobby Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: That is that that is true, This is this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Nicky Haley if he can overcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get that. That's the fucking election I want. Robert,

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Speaker 2: Although you know, again, if I'm talking about who I

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Speaker 2: anyone kind of assides Kamala Harris who were to run

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Speaker 3: Coughing baby versus coughing baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's two babies with tuberculosis in a steel

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Speaker 2: who the fuck Trump is going to pick. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 8: But I did think about that too.

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Speaker 3: I think that she's a regular Fox News contributor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he doesn't want someone who is like.

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Speaker 1: He hates Fox News now Theolarity until they avaked him.

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Speaker 2: He needs unpopular enough that I think Trump might see

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Speaker 1: All right, do we do we want to switch over

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Speaker 2: Sure? I think a daily wire host is gonna.

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Speaker 2: God God from your mouth to God's er scar.

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Speaker 3: So you can you can put that one together, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'll go my prediction as a two part and

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Speaker 1: it falls under the Kim ye Oh my first My

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Speaker 1: People are going to forget he's going to put out

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Speaker 1: Kim has been hanging out with Ivanka a lot, and

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Speaker 2: Field of politics this year. Oh my god, what if

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Speaker 2: she's VP.

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Speaker 1: I actually that thought actually did go through my brain.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's there yet.

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Speaker 2: But we are not ready.

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Speaker 3: We are not ready for a Trump Kardashian ticket. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I am moving. I am moving back to Canada. That's

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Speaker 3: simply not happening.

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Speaker 1: The reality TV ticket would be, you know, just so

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Speaker 3: This is then.

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Speaker 8: Trump would have technologed the Armenian genocide, would make relations

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Speaker 2: That was she would and vice presidency would be very

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Speaker 2: good for our media. It would for the goods, it

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Speaker 1: But like, but like, since since Trump's been out of office,

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Speaker 1: Ivanka kind of went underground, and you know, most people

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Speaker 2: I hate this country.

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Speaker 8: I think we probably will go back. We just did

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Speaker 8: this episode spoiler. We're recording in twenty thirty three. I

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Speaker 8: be terrible given that, like as Robert said, kind of

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Speaker 8: we're seeing increased conflicts all over the world. People are

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Speaker 8: an impact on Mexico. I'm also really what my concern

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Speaker 8: prediction this year is violence against migrants in places where

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Speaker 8: which will never to be demonize them from both fucking parties.

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Speaker 8: So that's become a really big especially with this stupid

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Speaker 2: That's my big concern for twenty four Yeah, uh, you

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Speaker 5: I can be wrong, all right, So my this is

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Speaker 5: word coalition of just like the open white supremacists, the

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Speaker 5: I you're gonna see like the like Andrew Tate people.

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be this. It's gonna to have this this

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if I I hope it doesn't

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Speaker 6: That.

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Speaker 2: That is the sort of shit that I when I

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Speaker 2: like that and like too hard, too fast, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: If they were if they were to launch a crusade

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Speaker 2: that might might just sink them. Everyone might just go, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess we have to u for Biden again because

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Speaker 3: I mean, one thing that Republicans have been talking more about,

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Speaker 3: abolishing no fault divorce. I think that is something that

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much that would actually impact national elections,

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Speaker 2: Specifically like Republican media influencers, largely because they all have

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Speaker 7: Chariny Well, yeah, I do think that flip phones are

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Speaker 2: Popular, especially dumbling down.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm first of all, I was right. Second

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Speaker 7: but I think they will be.

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Speaker 7: I have a feeling that and I think there's gonna

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be true, but it just feels

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Speaker 2: So I feel like there's gonna I have.

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Speaker 5: I have a thing about what that's going to be.

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Speaker 5: I think I think what's going to be. And this

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Speaker 5: There's there's been this whole and like like like Florida's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't know that. That's really unsettling.

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Speaker 8: They're closer than you would sink to already doing a

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Speaker 2: But well and Trump has promised in countries that's.

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Speaker 7: What I mean, that's it happened before, Like why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Well, and Trump has promised that if he wins again,

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Speaker 7: I also think that there's going to be an uproar

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Speaker 2: out of their mind is like, that's inspired. He's the

444
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: possible person playing that guy. But it's going to piss

445
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: off a bunch of people, even though even James.

446
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: But we're the one who listened to that James Bond podcast, right.

447
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 5: Kill James Bond the name of the podcast. Yeah, okay,

448
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 5: I just gotta say this, tea girl, James Bond. It

449
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: would set the world on fire. It would be the

450
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 5: funniest thing that's ever happened.

451
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: Yes, do it? God?

452
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah that way. Yeah, the Civil Wolf will begin

453
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 8: because of trans James Bond.

454
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: So true, so true. I see. I take a different tact,

455
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: which is that we should find the most Cajun man

456
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: alive and finally give the people what they want, which

457
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: is Cajun James Bond. I mean that would also go hard,

458
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: like James Bond making a like instead of instead of

459
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: a Martini shaken not stir, and he likes a nice

460
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: ETU fe like, come on, let's do it, let's let's

461
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: be heroes.

462
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: I I know we wanted to close with the with

463
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: the with the death segment. I think because of Kissinger,

464
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 3: we already took so many dubs there that I one

465
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: thing that is on my mind is surely it's possible

466
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: there'll be more kind of protests pop the mobilizations like

467
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: this summer before the election. But I'm more interested in

468
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen after the election, because no matter who wins,

469
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: which either I already don't have a strong feeling one

470
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: way or another, there's potentials for Obviously, if Trump wins,

471
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: I think they'll be.

472
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: Massive another January sixth type event.

473
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 8: If pussy hats are gonna come back. If Trump wins,

474
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 8: there will be win that's my prediction. They'll be like

475
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 8: probably at least two strong weeks of intense rioting across

476
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 8: the country. Yeah, I think we'll see more firm suppression

477
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 8: than we did in twenty twenty in a lot of cases,

478
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 8: which will be interesting because at this point Biden will

479
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 8: still be technically in charge, but everyone's going to treat

480
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 8: it like it's a Trump problem. On the other hand,

481
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 8: if Biden wins, are we going to get stopped to

482
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 8: steal too? Or will a second or will or will

483
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 8: a second defeat in a row almost be more of

484
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 8: like a death kneel for this sort of like mega mobilization.

485
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: I get that.

486
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: I think that that's also a possibility that too low

487
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: is in a row could just just like disillusion a

488
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: whole bunch of people who otherwise kind of want to

489
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: do a stop still too.

490
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: But it may just it may just not happen.

491
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: We literally can we can't. We can't. Let pick more, judge.

492
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what will happen. Uh is because I

493
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: I I am aware of the predictive programming that the

494
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: Obamas have been putting out movie leave the world behind.

495
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna have a military coup and they're

496
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: going to use the Havana syndrome gun to make while

497
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: they while they re you know, fix fix politics one

498
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 2: way or the other. Don't know which side is going

499
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: to do it, but somebody is going to drop the

500
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: Havana syndrome gun.

501
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's let's take a quick break and come back

502
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: with our death predictions. How does that sound? Everybody?

503
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: And we're back.

504
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Robert, Who's gonna die? Who's gonna die? Robert Roberts.

505
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Uh, you know what my pick this year is? Everybody,

506
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: I think this is the year we all get it.

507
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: I think, uh, somebody's gonna push push the button and finally, finally,

508
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: the world's atomic stockpile will bring us all sweet release.

509
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: Okay, my my serious prediction. I think Putin will be assassinated.

510
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 7: That'd be cool, dude, I was going to say, I

511
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 7: have a feeling that there's going to be some type

512
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 7: of assassination that will like rock the world.

513
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, decent chance of sod eats it. Still, I think, God,

514
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, the only reason I wouldn't say that, that's

515
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: like the guy I most want to see die in

516
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: the world and probably won't be until he does. But

517
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: like aired one's up there. But asad just nobody, nobody

518
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: else has that body count right now, no one can

519
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: touch him. That's the thing. That's the thing. Babe's going

520
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: for it. But still he's got to kill. I mean,

521
00:27:53,280 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: like like that, I I just don't know he's he's

522
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: a survivor. Unfortunately, like you have to, you do kind

523
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: of have to acknowledge that about him, Like homologous Vigor,

524
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: he's pretty good at not getting killed so far. I

525
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: just don't know whereas like Putin hasn't really been tested

526
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: this way yet and I I do kind of think, yeah,

527
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: I think that there's there's a chance. I don't know that.

528
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: I think it's a high chance.

529
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I mean I think every day we get

530
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: close and closer to an Elon Musk overdose.

531
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: Well and all and our lives so so true.

532
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Ja.

533
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, my prediction is that with the will of God,

534
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 8: Morrissey will finally fucking die and rid us if he's

535
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 8: annoying bullshit, Oh my god, because.

536
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Wow, not that that is not what I was expecting, sir.

537
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Chilla, we will see the end of Morrissey

538
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: this year. Friends, has everybody?

539
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Has everybody gone? Because is it? Marturn? With my with

540
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: my power?

541
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I really.

542
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying more Sea. I really thought about this,

543
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: and it's time. It's time, David, Misscavage, It's fucking time.

544
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: Okay he said it first. Maybe from the person who

545
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: predicted Kissinger. Yeah, and someone else. She picked someone else, right,

546
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: who else did you get, Sophy?

547
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't know who else did I get?

548
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: I I don't have anything you said something about when

549
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: you were in the office. Oh, George H. W.

550
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: Bush, Oh yeah, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, we could be

551
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: two for two here.

552
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: But but I think I think it's it's gonna be

553
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: a misscavage. But you know that. But you know he'll

554
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: just jump into another body.

555
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 7: But you know what, I wish. This is a wish

556
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 7: that I don't think will come true. But uh, McConnell,

557
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 7: I think.

558
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean that it seems very likely he has a

559
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 2: short circuit in front of a camera. Yeah we have

560
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: he will die live on TV.

561
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: When we have seen the android flip on and off

562
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: multiple times, I think it's very clear that one day

563
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: he just won't boot back up.

564
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: What she could die too. I think I think McConnell's

565
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: gonna die the way he lived with Fintanel that got

566
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: snuck into his heroin. You know, that's that's just I think.

567
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: And on that note, Turtle bye bye, are we free?

568
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: We're free?

569
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: Bye?

570
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to It could happen here. It is twenty twenty four.

571
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: A lie, it's twenty twenty three.

572
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Robert has just pissed everybody off for the last three

573
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: minutes and fourteen seconds.

574
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: That listener Sophie is gaslighting you. It is until December when.

575
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: They listen to this, it'll be twenty twenty four.

576
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: You don't know that.

577
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: I do know that I'm in charge. Okay, moving on,

578
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: We're going to do some listener questions today, but I

579
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to, you know, give a shout out to

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00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: each member of our team. We have Shrien lani Enis,

581
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: we have James Stout, we have Mio Wong, we have

582
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Garrison Davis, and we have Big Bobby E.

583
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

584
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: And we're going to answer some listener questions. Thank you

585
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: for those, to those who have submitted, anybody else want

586
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: to say anything before I start?

587
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: Besides Robert, thank you about half of those. Yeah, you

588
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: need to have a chat with yourselves. You know who

589
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: you are. I don't think they do. I don't think

590
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: our listeners are very self actualized. All right, Sophie take

591
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: it away to each of you.

592
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: Any book recommendations for introduction to anarchist history and or theory.

593
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: If I may.

594
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 8: There's a book called Great Anarchists by Dog Section Press.

595
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 8: It's written by Ruth Kinner, who's been on the podcast.

596
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 8: It's got very short bios of different great anarchists. I

597
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 8: think you will enjoy it. I think you can get

598
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 8: the PDF for free online. I like to print them

599
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 8: out and put them in as little libraries that rich

600
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 8: people like to have in their neighborhoods and red pill them,

601
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 8: black pilled them slowly that way. So yeah, great. Anarchists

602
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 8: by dog Section Press. From Dog Section Press by Ruth McKinnon.

603
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: My one is kind of it's slightly more specialized, but

604
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: Anarchism in Latin America is a great book. Also, the

605
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: cover is just gorgeous, so you'll have that around all

606
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, it's really good.

607
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: It's great.

608
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: Basically it goes country by countries through Latin America and

609
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 5: talk about athor anarchist movements and it's great.

610
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not it's sort of anarchists, I suppose. But

611
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: I've been doing a lot of union stuff recently, so

612
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about the concept of work,

613
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: so I have kind of returned to this really good

614
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: book I think put out titled work, very very basic

615
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: look into sort of like anarchist almost like anti work theory.

616
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: It's just a nice book to interrogate how the concept

617
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: of like work in labor exists in your own head.

618
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: I've appreciated that one through the years.

619
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: Sharin or Robert, either of you.

620
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 7: I second all those answers amazing answers everybody, Well, and.

621
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I cannot read, so I'm gonna second those answers.

622
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: Robert recommends the book, isn't it like the No God's

623
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: No Master's Akpress one with the Chaos Stars.

624
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got a lot of like old anarchist essays

625
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: and shit, starting in like the eighteen hundreds, So if

626
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: you're interested in that kind of history, you can read that,

627
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 2: all right.

628
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: The next question, I think this will be different depending

629
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: on the type of episode and like what show people

630
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: are writing it for. But I got several different people asking,

631
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, how long it takes to research rate like

632
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: an average episode, So we're talking like not talking like

633
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: a series such as Garrison's Stop Coop City series, but

634
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: like an average episode where you're talking about something and

635
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: it's a scripted episode, but you're talking about something.

636
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I mean some episodes take months, if but

637
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: an average episode usually if I'm putting it together, it

638
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: might take me like four days from start to completion.

639
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking of my of my DeSantis fast Wave episodes.

640
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Usually you'll have like maybe two days of more research

641
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: and then two days of like well, then like one

642
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: day of like scripting, and then editing that script on

643
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: like the fourth day and then you record. So yeah,

644
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: maybe maybe around that. I mean some episodes come together faster,

645
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: some episodes come together longer. It really really varies.

646
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 7: Shoot shoo, Yeah, I would agree with that timeline. I

647
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 7: think three to four days sounds about right. I've been

648
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 7: trying to take an extra day just to read through

649
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 7: the script, like multiple times, just because I've been it's

650
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 7: just better for like my performance.

651
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: It's like, where does that sounds?

652
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 9: So?

653
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, like when you write a script,

654
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do is immediately read it

655
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: after you've finished writing it.

656
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 7: And I've made that mistake before. I would definitely have

657
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 7: so taking time is important.

658
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, James mea Robert, anything you want to add.

659
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 8: I spent thirty five years preparing for the sheet Pocas.

660
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really depends on the episode. If it's an interviewer,

661
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Speaker 2: I'll spend maybe a couple of hours, you know, studying

662
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Speaker 2: up on everything the person has said. If it's a

663
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Speaker 2: scripted episode, a scripted half hour to forty five minutes

664
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Speaker 2: of the show is generally five to seven pages. That's

665
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: maybe an hour or two to write, and then four

666
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: to six hours of research, which although it kind of depends,

667
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, because a lot of it's based on just

668
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: sort of like ongoing research, right where whereas like something

669
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: will happen in the news and we'll do some studying

670
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: up on that event, but we're also keeping in touch

671
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: with like like when we have episodes on terrorist attacks

672
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: and whatnot. Like I don't know how to actually like

673
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: lay out how much time goes into those episodes, because

674
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: it's a large part of it is just the process

675
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: of like keeping up with the way terror is evolving

676
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: in America. We will have beats, right, Like we will

677
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Speaker 2: have that we just keep up with.

678
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we're not counting all the time that we

679
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Speaker 3: spend like in telegram just like watching right but the

680
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Speaker 3: gram but yeah, yeah, sure sing second time this year

681
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Speaker 3: Garrison's found themselves too old to understand a youth reference.

682
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Speaker 1: My next question, what conspiracy theory or unsolved mystery do

683
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: each of you believe in?

684
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: The dangerous question and first answer on air, Yeah.

685
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to point out that Garrison sent

686
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Speaker 1: me this question to ask, so it must be an

687
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Speaker 1: answer in mind. Yeah, are a Garrison danger Davis?

688
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I I don't know what what even I'm

689
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: not sure if I believe in anything that would be

690
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: classified as a conspiracy theory, I would have to I

691
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: would have to think on this.

692
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know. I don't believe in it. I

693
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: fucking love Bohemian Grove stuff.

694
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 8: It's like one of the ogs you know, from like

695
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 8: the beginnings of the Internet, and it just can't get

696
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 8: enough about people who have just never deviated from the

697
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 8: Bohemian growth. That dude who went there with the combination

698
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 8: AR fifteen shotgun and tried to destroy Bohemian Grove legend.

699
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: I love reading about that stuff. It's nonsense, but it's fun.

700
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: I mean, like I actually have Oh oh no, go

701
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 5: please okay, or we're doing we're doing We're doing this one.

702
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: Okay.

703
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 5: If you if you were on the live show, you've

704
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 5: heard this. You were not on the live show. You

705
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 5: have which is that?

706
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: Okay?

707
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: From from from the late nineteen seventies until the early

708
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 5: nineteen eighties when it was busted by the Italian police,

709
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 5: the Italian government is run by a rogue Masonic lodge

710
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 5: called the Peach Organization. God, I know it's propaganda due

711
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: very various elements.

712
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: Okay. So there's this thing going on here.

713
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 5: There's various elements use the Red Brigades as as a

714
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: way to assassinate Eldo Morrow. They take them to a

715
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Speaker 5: hotel that is like it's run by like one of

716
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Speaker 5: the Red cardinals is one of those sort of the

717
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: communist cardinals is like in this building is like a

718
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: NATO weapons is like someone a NATO weapons dealer.

719
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Speaker 2: An Italian general of the regulaser. I think I see

720
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Speaker 2: a red laser hovering over. This is all real?

721
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Speaker 5: This was right, Look, this is the raight three.

722
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: It's the thing is the thing is that?

723
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Speaker 5: Okay, so every conspiracy theory on earth is real, but

724
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: it was only real from about nineteen seventy seven to

725
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty three in Italy, Like all of them are

726
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 5: there at the same time, like during the alder Morro assassination,

727
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 5: like the the two groups trying to free Elder Morrow

728
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: are the Pope on the one hand, and then well

729
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 5: iatually Sadure's there's the Pope who's working through an Israeli

730
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 5: guy in the castnet, and the other for him is.

731
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Speaker 2: It's the pfl piece. She's got one of them, the pup.

732
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Speaker 5: What he had gotten, Okay, like one of the one

733
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Speaker 5: of the one of the guys who make sures, who

734
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Speaker 5: make sure that the elder Morrow dies is he's like

735
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Speaker 5: a now and he's now insane Alex Jones conspiracy guy,

736
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: Like he's on Alex Jones all the time.

737
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Speaker 2: He was like, he's the hostage. Yeah, yeah, he's the guy.

738
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Speaker 3: That guy.

739
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's a regular fixture. Yeah.

740
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: So like the people try to kill it. Like the

741
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: both the US the Soviets, independently of each other, are

742
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 5: both trying to make sure this guy dies. Same with

743
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Speaker 5: the East Germans, the fucking oh what's it called, the

744
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 5: miner Mainhoff group, the weird Germany also revolves all right.

745
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I am I am a nine to eleven truther.

746
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: Uh in there, God, I don't believe that when you

747
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: call nine to one one it goes anywhere. I think.

748
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 2: I think they're just hooking you up to an AI.

749
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: It's it's a con people.

750
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Rudy Giuliani has to pay those Georgia election

751
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: workers one hundred and fifty million dollars.

752
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: I feel like he's got that. Yeah, I feel like

753
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: he's got that hanging around. It will be good.

754
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: No, but he literally defamed the ship out of those lovely,

755
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: lovely people.

756
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Speaker 2: He I mean, defamation is like of what he does.

757
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, new new favorite conspiracy theory. Panera Bread made the

758
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: deadly lemonade on purpose, as are whatever who cares wait genocide.

759
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: That's where we see. I fully support the lemonade that

760
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: kills you. I think we need more lemonade that kills Pete.

761
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick guide break. We'll be right back,

762
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: and we are back. What are you most excited to

763
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Speaker 1: work on this year? Slashould be a part of create.

764
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Speaker 2: What are we most excited to work on? Next year?

765
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: And I've been stockpiling a lot of and so I

766
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: I I got some plans. I got some plans. I

767
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: got some plans. Do we believe or not? That's that's

768
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: the real question. I don't know. That's that's someone else's

769
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: job to decide.

770
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Speaker 8: I can tell you from experience that the ATF will

771
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Speaker 8: visit your employer if you conclude instructions on how.

772
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Speaker 2: To make in your in your work. It's legal. Go ahead,

773
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: and they'll still believe you.

774
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Garrison.

775
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm planning to attend a whole bunch of more kind

776
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: of occult conferences or paranormal conventions and and get get

777
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: more into the high strangeness world this year. That's that's

778
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: something I'm I'm excited about.

779
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. We're launching a weekly show with Jimmie

780
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Loftus starting in the spring that I'm very excited to

781
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: be producing. So look out for that.

782
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: I Okay, I've been working on this for a fucking

783
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: year now, but it's coming next year, which is my

784
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 5: episodes on the lab leak stuff.

785
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: I have a corkboard that makes that entire Italy.

786
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Corkboard.

787
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 5: I've spent so many hours talking to epidemiologists losing my mind.

788
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: But it's coming, it will happen. I'm very excited about it.

789
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: You you have been talking about these episodes for quite a.

790
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: While, literally a year. It's Robert I have agreed to

791
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: do a podcast that is going to be a nightmare,

792
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: but you'll you'll all love it. You'll all love it

793
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: as it ruins my life. And uh, I don't know,

794
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: probably eventually the Robert E. Lee episodes, we'll get those out.

795
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: You know what I've been doing. I've been working on

796
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: a te Lawrence series of episodes, so that I'm very

797
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: excited about. Amazing Lawrence of Arabia, the guy who invented

798
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: the concept of insurgency. So that'll that'll be good. That'll

799
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: be a good series.

800
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Speaker 8: I hope Robert and I get to go back to

801
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 8: me and Ma and do maybe a visit to some

802
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 8: different groups. That would be cool. I would like that.

803
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 8: I'm excited to do more migration stuff. Yeah, spend more

804
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: time and on different parts of the migration journey, because

805
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 8: I think that's something I've wanted to do for a

806
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 8: long time, and.

807
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: Like I've seen a lot of people do really shitty

808
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: versions of it.

809
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Speaker 8: So I'm excited to give you a cracket at not

810
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 8: doing a cringe voyeuristic.

811
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: Version of that.

812
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Everyone else have an answer to that? Did your answer, Shreanny,

813
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Speaker 1: I didn't.

814
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Speaker 7: I feel like I have two answers, like one, I'm

815
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 7: not excited at all, because I feel like the most

816
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 7: when I'm most motivated, it's when i'm the most angry,

817
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 7: and so I'm not excited for things to make me

818
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 7: angry and upset. But I am looking forward to I

819
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 7: think I like when I have people on that are

820
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 7: like experts or they have knowledge that I don't, and

821
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 7: so I like the possibility of having more conversations that

822
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 7: are enlightening, I suppose. And yeah, I also I would

823
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 7: like to talk more about corn and food, so maybe

824
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 7: I should focus on that.

825
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: Maybe I should focus on something could happen here.

826
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's that's something I look forward to, something

827
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 7: to be fun.

828
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Speaker 3: We definitely want to do more farm animal episodes, yes,

829
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: and food, more food episodes. But no, you bring up

830
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 3: a good point about how this kind of whole show

831
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: works is that all of the best stuff we make,

832
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is always related to things that we're

833
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: passionate about, and passion can come in a few forms.

834
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Anger something that is a big driver of passion, but that's,

835
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: you know, usually less fun. So it's always nice and

836
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: we can be able to cover something that we are

837
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: passionate about, but it comes from not a place of anger,

838
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: but it comes from a place of like, like like

839
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 3: genuine like intense interest.

840
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I genuinely love corn.

841
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 7: I loved the conversation about sheep, So I look forward

842
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 7: to the possibility of making things not just when I'm

843
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 7: like enraged and more when I'm like that's a good point.

844
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 7: That's a good point that passion can can come from

845
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 7: different things. Because I was just as passionate talk about

846
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: corn than I was to talk about an important thing

847
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 7: that happened.

848
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have I have a specific question that

849
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: I vetted to James ahead of time, which is, do

850
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Speaker 1: you have any stories about meeting fans or listeners? I

851
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: r l.

852
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Speaker 6: I do.

853
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 8: I'm not just stepping on to you. Please approach Robbit

854
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 8: when he's buying groceries. But but yeah, yeah, no, dou

855
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: do it.

856
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 4: Don't.

857
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: He's very ticulish. I always armed in the grocery store,

858
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: so please don't do that. That's why you kind of

859
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: tickle them. Don't tick or rubber guys. It's weird.

860
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, so loads of people are not loads, but a

861
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 8: lot of people who've listened to our podcast who come

862
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 8: to help in Aucumber, and they're all very nice, and

863
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 8: I've enjoyed building Gortz and making sandwiches and ladeling out

864
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 8: beans with them immensely, and it genuinely does make me

865
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 8: really happy because it can like when we do the podcast,

866
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 8: we see like each other in our little rooms and

867
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 8: then it just goes out into the ether and you

868
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 8: never know who's listening.

869
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: And so it's really cool when people listen and.

870
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 8: Then like show up and do something that meaningfully makes

871
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 8: the world a better place, and that makes me feel

872
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 8: very hopeful.

873
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: And that's another like passion thing.

874
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 8: Like I think, especially the mutual aid stuff we've done

875
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 8: at the border, it makes me feel really hopeful that

876
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 8: like we can do things just fine without the state

877
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 8: and without the resources of masters of capital and without

878
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 8: any major sort of orcs or like institutions behind death,

879
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 8: Like we can just help each other and do amazing things.

880
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: So, yeah, when people show up for that, it's cool.

881
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 8: Slightly way when they show up listening to the podcast

882
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 8: and I hear myself in their car is it's not okay?

883
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 8: But other than that, yeah, I trying to catch up

884
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 8: with those people. Yeah, yeah, I too would be trying

885
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 8: to catch up if I had to listen to all

886
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 8: the stuff we put out.

887
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Speaker 2: I think it's honestly really cool that people show up

888
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: for that kind of stuff. It makes it, It makes

889
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: so much of the weird parts of being a podcast

890
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: host worth it when stuff like that.

891
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been something that that me has been pointing

892
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: out recently, how we seem to be one of in

893
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: terms of like, you know, podcasts that that that cover

894
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: the sorts of things we do. We're our fan base

895
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: seems to be relatively offline in a lot of ways,

896
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: and a lot of a lot of them. Actually, a

897
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: lot of the people actually do a lot of real

898
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: world stuff, which is great. Like that's that that That's

899
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: kind of the entire point is that most of the

900
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: things we talk about, there's there's there's he said, you

901
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: have the power to change it in small ways. You know,

902
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: it's no like large immediate effects, like you solve the

903
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: problem immediately, but there's there's always small things that can

904
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: that can slowly change the tide of many of the

905
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: problems that we discuss every day.

906
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna through to an ad break here. Unless

907
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Speaker 1: you have Cooler Zone Media and Android listeners. That is

908
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Speaker 1: coming soon. It's a little bit out of our control

909
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: on that end, but we do ask about it constantly

910
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: and it will be happening.

911
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: If you have a Cooler Zone account, you cannot die.

912
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Speaker 2: That's fun, that's a good it's the true fact. So

913
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Speaker 2: purchase it, render yourself immune to the passage of time,

914
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: and we're back.

915
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask what's everyone's favorite Christmas movie?

916
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so I I have already talked about my annual

917
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: Batman Returns watch party, which was a great, a great

918
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: success this year. It was a big hit. I made tons.

919
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: I made about probably like four dozen lot because it

920
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun.

921
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: We got to wow, Wow, Robert, you show this for

922
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: jobs kind of humor. That's crazy, what a dub.

923
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: But no, we got I got a nice group of

924
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: people to to google at Danny Dibrito vomiting black U

925
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: for approximately two hours. So that was a big win.

926
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Speaker 3: It's it's by far the best Christmas movie in my

927
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Speaker 3: in my no.

928
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 7: I agree, it's my favorite one by far, and Bangery,

929
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 7: me and my family have lost it consistently since I

930
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Speaker 7: was like a child like but like since I was

931
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 7: like two years old. Oh, we just were obsessed with it.

932
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Speaker 7: And I don't remember if you said this last year,

933
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 7: and I already this is like a repeat of the conversation.

934
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 7: But I agree, that's the best Christmas movie I can

935
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Speaker 7: think of.

936
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Keaton, total domination. Here we go.

937
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 7: Best best Batman by miles. He's just miles away from So.

938
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Speaker 1: When I was growing up, my parents used to ditch

939
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: my brother and I and go to the Laker game on.

940
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Speaker 2: Christmas and we just explained so much. Yeah, so much, Sophie.

941
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like I love you, I love your parents

942
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: and I and I respect it. But my brother and

943
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Speaker 1: I used to watch like we would spend the entire

944
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Speaker 1: day watching all the like Hobbin and Lord of the

945
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Speaker 1: Rings movies.

946
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Speaker 2: Nice.

947
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: That just feels that feels like Christmas to me.

948
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, especially especially the animated ones definitely have that

949
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: kind of like fantasy jolly kind of feel.

950
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Speaker 2: Totally.

951
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, anybody else.

952
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: I like to watch love actually, but it's very pretty dreams.

953
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: It's so basic of you.

954
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I know.

955
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm secretly basic white lady. Every time I watch

956
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 8: you into something else problematic that I hadn't previously fought before.

957
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 8: And it's getting to a point where I should probably

958
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 8: stop talking about it in public.

959
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

960
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, now the audience knows who the biggest wife guy

961
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: on the team is.

962
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: Definitely Javes. This is a question for Robert, looking back

963
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: on season one, if it could happen here, do you

964
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: still see a second civil American Civil War as a

965
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: likely or plausible event in our near future?

966
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's possible. We're going to

967
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: look back on where we are right now as the

968
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: earlier stages of it. Right, civil conflict is pretty widespread.

969
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: I think one of the differences, like, for example, one

970
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: of the big differences with that the Texas, California, Waians

971
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah four Civil War movie is it's it's clearly imagining

972
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: like a large scale military conflict. I don't find that

973
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: particularly likely. But you do have one major political party

974
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: stating that when we take power in twenty twenty four,

975
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: are guy's going to act as a dictator. He's going

976
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: to imprison and execute his political opponents. And you have

977
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: widespread acts of violence and violent threats that are occurring

978
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: as part of a as part of the political conflicts

979
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: that have existed in this country for a while, they've

980
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: all transitioned to being kind of explicitly acts of public

981
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: violence or at least public threats of violence. You're seeing

982
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: this around, for example, a lot of the discourse surrounding

983
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: what's happening in Gaza. Right, you just had that case

984
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: where like some fucking like grade school teacher threatened to

985
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: cut a student's throat for criticizing Israel. Like the degree

986
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: to which people who are if you'll forgive the less

987
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: technical or pieces of shit feel emboldened to use and

988
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: threaten violence in the furtherance of their political agendas. Is

989
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: something we may wind up seeing. Is like, yeah, we

990
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: were in it by this point. So again I'm not

991
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: a believer, and a big part of it could happen

992
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: here is like I don't I don't think any mass

993
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: civil conflict in the United States is going to be

994
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: armies fighting over states, right, yeah, because that's that's simply

995
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: not realistic. But I do think we are in what

996
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: any reasonable person would call a mass civil conflict. And

997
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: you know, my big question is whether or not we're

998
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: going to see it as a civil conflict or as

999
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: an extension of a global conflict which includes outright shooting

1000
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: wars but also mass information warfare. In this kind of

1001
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: planetary struggle between the idea at least if not the

1002
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: promise that democracy is the kind of goal, and the

1003
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: strongly held belief by large groups of people that we

1004
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: need an authoritarian system governed effectively by the people who

1005
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: are presently in power. Right, you are seeing this kind

1006
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: of struggle between the idea that we should have a

1007
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: system in which people are allowed to pick their leaders

1008
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: and this idea that, like the winners of the last

1009
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: twenty years of capitalism and politics, should be able to

1010
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: solidify their hold forever. So my big question is whether

1011
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: or not we're going to come to see where we

1012
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 2: are right now as the early stages of a civil

1013
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: conflict that's going to get progressively more violent and have

1014
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: a progressively higher body count. Or are we going to

1015
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: see this as part of a global military and political

1016
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 2: struggle that is going to kind of shake out the

1017
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: next hundred years of kind of the political status quo

1018
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 2: on Earth, and in a similar way to like World

1019
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: War Two, you know, more or less laid out the

1020
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: next eighty or ninety or something like that.

1021
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: I've got two more questions.

1022
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: Sounds good.

1023
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: First, do you each of you have a favorite episode

1024
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: you've put out?

1025
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: We're all trying not to say the come episode the

1026
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: same time. I really have.

1027
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: I have some really bad at all, really some bad news.

1028
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: That was the most I just downloaded episode of Yeah.

1029
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Everybody loves Look, Everybody loves loves talking about Come Yeah?

1030
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: Are you fucking s I'm with you, Sharinye with you?

1031
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, So I have you've been out voted.

1032
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm never I'm never out voted I have ultimate veto powers.

1033
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: Guys to struggle was talking about right here.

1034
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: Side disgusting.

1035
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's certainly hard to even pick one

1036
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: episode just from this year.

1037
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's the com episode. Yeah.

1038
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: I will say this episode was fun to put together.

1039
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 3: I we we really delved into the the trenches there

1040
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: that few.

1041
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: Would you say it would you say? It really came together.

1042
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to answer these questions for each

1043
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: of you with each of your work, because I'm a

1044
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: fucking professional. Garrisons Skopcop City. Where has been just that

1045
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: I really tell I tell this to go out. They're

1046
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: the most amazing storyteller. You really feel like you are.

1047
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: You're able to visualize everything going on with the words

1048
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: that they say, and I think it's an important story

1049
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: that they've been on top of since the beginning. I

1050
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: don't think any covers labor issues in the way that

1051
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: Mia does, and I think Mia has really done that

1052
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and we'll continue that in twenty

1053
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: twenty four in a way that's not being covered in

1054
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: mainstream media. And I think that those stories are extremely

1055
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: important and have made a significant impact on labor and

1056
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: union culture and strikes and fighting for what's right. James Man,

1057
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: It's like I want to say, I want to say

1058
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: the work you do at the border, but I really

1059
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: love when you talk about things that are silly, and

1060
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: I think they're equally as important. But James, James talking

1061
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: about sheep and the joy that James had when he

1062
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: talked about sheep is really special.

1063
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: But also the.

1064
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: Work that you've done talking about the word MEMR and

1065
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: helping people at the border has been extremely impactful to

1066
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: our listeners.

1067
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: Shoe Shoe.

1068
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Is a historical almanac to all things in the Middle

1069
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: East and has I think educated not just the audience

1070
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: but also all of us on things that really everyone

1071
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: should know. And I think that she's brilliant and I

1072
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: love you.

1073
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: She read Robert, Hey, Sophie, it's the cup episode, right,

1074
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: That's definitely not the episode.

1075
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: But it's really hard to pick my favorite Robert episode

1076
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: because I record with him like most days. But I

1077
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: think that what Robert has done specifically within Bastards in

1078
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was really get on top of the

1079
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: bastards we're all surviving right now, which I think he

1080
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: did a really great job talking about Andrew Tait. I

1081
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: think he did an incredible job getting an episode out

1082
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: immediately about Stockton Rush, the guy who killed these people

1083
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: under the.

1084
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Submersial really really the hero of the year, right, the

1085
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: guy responsible for the great feel good story of twenty

1086
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 2: twenty three. So much better a time we need, we need.

1087
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: I feel like we can solve most of the world's

1088
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: problems with another eleven or so of those subs. And

1089
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: it is true, and a similar socioeconomic group on board them.

1090
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: You're definitely not not wrong there.

1091
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: I'd just like to say, you know, if you're wondering

1092
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: why the New York Times in the Washington Post are

1093
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: too big a cowards to do a come episode like

1094
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: we did. You know, there's an old quote. If you

1095
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: want to know who rules, you ask who you can't criticize.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying, Garrison, I

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Speaker 2: see you, I see you doubting me. But you know

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Speaker 2: it's true. You know it's true. Anyways, Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: slash no fat All right, that's should ask another question,

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Speaker 2: But like, really, what's what's the point.

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Speaker 8: What's the point we've climax guys, Sweeten, Oh my god,

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Speaker 8: thank you, James.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the teamwork James. Someone had to.

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Speaker 1: Robert, but my my apologies to Ian for this night.

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Speaker 2: We have an edit.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, anybody have any final thoughts, anything, anything, James,

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Speaker 1: do you have anything you want to plug in terms

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Speaker 1: of donations or anything?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I do, actually, uh so we have a fundraiser for

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Speaker 8: what we're doing at the border.

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Speaker 2: It would be really lovely if.

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Speaker 8: You could give us some of your money because I

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Speaker 8: have spent all of the money that I have, uh

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Speaker 8: and some money that I don't have. It's GoFundMe dot

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Speaker 8: com slash cucumber hyphen migrant hyphen camps or TinyURL dot

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Speaker 8: com slash border aid.

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Speaker 2: G f M. How do they spell cucumber.

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Speaker 8: That's a good question because that's c U M b

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Speaker 8: A so like it's Spanish. Yeah, you can also tiny

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Speaker 8: rl slash border aid, g FM, TinyURL dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's that's an easy one to remember.

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Speaker 1: Great, and we'll be back tomorrow. This is a daily show.

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Speaker 8: Bye, hello everyone, and welcome to it Could Happen Here podcast,

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Speaker 8: returning from our holiday break to discuss the exciting topic

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Speaker 8: of infectious diseases in Gaza and for that we're joined

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Speaker 8: by an all star cast of experts. We have joining

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Speaker 8: us today Saskia Popescu, who's an infectious disease epidemiologist and

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Speaker 8: assistant professor at the University of Maryland.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Saska, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 9: Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, yeah, you're welcome. It's not just you.

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Speaker 8: We've also got Cave Carve is back.

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Speaker 7: I'm back, baby, that's actually my first time. This is Sharene.

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Speaker 7: Also i'm here. This is my first time meeting Cove.

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Speaker 7: So this is a real trick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I've done you wrong, Sharen, I'm sorry I

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Speaker 2: didn't introduce you. That's okay, it's probably in the description

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Speaker 2: or something that I'm here. No one's yeah, make a

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Speaker 2: valuable contribution. People will know you're here.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, it's all of us, And yeah, we're talking

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Speaker 8: today because like I think the origin, sorry, of this

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Speaker 8: particular episode is like a few weeks ago, there was

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Speaker 8: a very funny thing on the internet about people in

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Speaker 8: the I d F getting diarrhea, which is funny object.

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Speaker 2: That's what the dn id F stands for. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the kid to saying, but sorry, no, it's donny.

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Speaker 10: Don't you ever apologize. Yeah, yeah, you do, not apologize for.

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Speaker 2: Any opportunity just to ship on them. You're good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, expect many. It's half an hour at least of this.

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Speaker 8: Don't be driving because you might laugh too much. But no,

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Speaker 8: it's very funny. It's the name of our group chat.

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Speaker 8: It's the as really Diarrhea Forces. But aside from that,

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Speaker 8: like this raises a more important question, right, which is

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Speaker 8: that people in Gaza don't have access to very many

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Speaker 8: medical supplies to begin with. Weird things are embargoed like

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Speaker 8: tornic keys, which you've spoken about in this podcast before.

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Speaker 8: They also have obviously a very resource constrained environment to

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Speaker 8: begin with, and then a number of their hospitals have

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Speaker 8: been bombed since then, which obviously further reduces their access

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Speaker 8: to medical care. Also, they have less aclos to things

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Speaker 8: like running water now because they're being bombed to an

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Speaker 8: incredible degree. And so Saskia has joined us today to

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Speaker 8: like explain the risk of the spread of infectious disease,

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Speaker 8: maybe give us an update on like what's already happening

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Speaker 8: and the risks of what could happen. So I guess

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Speaker 8: maybe we should start off with really basic stuff and

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Speaker 8: explain what infectious diseases are and like how they're different

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Speaker 8: from noncommunical diseases gets people aren't familiar, would one if

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Speaker 8: you like to do.

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Speaker 9: That, Yeah, I'm happy to so infectious diseases, you know,

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Speaker 9: when we talk about diseases in general, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 9: there are chronic diseases, things like diabetes, cancer. When we

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Speaker 9: talk about infectious diseases, meaning they're communicable for the most part,

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Speaker 9: that means that they are spread through various sources human

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Speaker 9: to human, like influenza. There's things like anthrax that you

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Speaker 9: can equali Campellobacter that you can get from soil, from food,

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Speaker 9: and the zoonotic diseases that they are also spread through animals,

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Speaker 9: so things like ebola mirrors which is Middle East respiratory syndrome, coronavirus.

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Speaker 9: So infectious diseases are viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, and they

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Speaker 9: really love to take advantage of high stress environments for

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Speaker 9: bread and unfortunately this is one of them. So this

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Speaker 9: is a very What we see with infectious diseases a

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Speaker 9: lot is that conflict and environments where people are stressed,

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Speaker 9: resources are stressed, and the environment is under continuous bombardment.

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Speaker 9: There's densely populated spaces, no access to health, clean food,

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Speaker 9: and water, et cetera. I mean, I could probably go

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Speaker 9: on for five minutes about what makes an infectious disease spread,

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Speaker 9: is going to amplify it. So these are diseases that

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Speaker 9: take advantage of these environments.

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Speaker 10: I'll add that the situation is just a perfect setup

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Speaker 10: for infectious disease to run rampant. There's over one point

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Speaker 10: nine million people that have been displaced. Of that, one

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Speaker 10: point four million are living in overcrowded shelters at this point.

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Speaker 10: And in the best scenario from what I've seen, there's

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Speaker 10: one toilet for every two hundred and twenty people. Now,

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Speaker 10: if you ever lived in like a house of like

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Speaker 10: five people and there's like one case of diarrhea, you'll

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Speaker 10: realize how terrible that is. Now you amplify that to

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Speaker 10: two hundred and twenty at the minimum, and that's the

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Speaker 10: best case scenario. I've heard its highest one per seven

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Speaker 10: hundred people in some places. And then you know, people

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Speaker 10: have to go in the streets, they have to know

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Speaker 10: where there's water supplies, and you're you're going to be

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Speaker 10: infecting those areas. There's one shower for every like four thousand,

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Speaker 10: five hundred people again in best case scenario. So it's

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Speaker 10: a huge number of people getting concentrated into smaller and

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Speaker 10: smaller areas and without the infrastructure there to handle that

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Speaker 10: in any way. And when that happens, I mean, we

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Speaker 10: are going to see I am really worried about seeing

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Speaker 10: in the end of this more depths from infectious disease

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Speaker 10: than from the bombardments.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's that's like a It almost feels like

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Speaker 7: a double another weapon that they're that they're that they've

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Speaker 7: used because they're not letting them have a chance to

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Speaker 7: recuperate or have a sanitary place to do surgeries or anything.

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Speaker 7: Because if they're doing surgery with unsanitary conditions, they can

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Speaker 7: get infect like the wounds can get infected, and that's

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Speaker 7: a whole nother thing. Or even just like having waste

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Speaker 7: in the street, like making it, like having it fester.

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Speaker 7: It just it's it's really I think people forget that

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Speaker 7: it's not just like a building was destroyed, people were killed.

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Speaker 7: It's there's lasting effects that linger for probably generations.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's just I don't know what really is infuriating.

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Speaker 9: I think the crazy part is the World Health organization.

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Speaker 9: So the WHO recently released some data as to what

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Speaker 9: is being reported to them in terms of disease, and

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Speaker 9: they said, so far, Now keep in mind these are

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Speaker 9: just reported numbers, and that means it's just the tip

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Speaker 9: of the iceberg. In most cases, one hundred thousand cases

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Speaker 9: of diarrhea and those are in young children, So half

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Speaker 9: of those are in young children out of the age

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Speaker 9: of five, which means it can be deadly. And this

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Speaker 9: number is just twenty five percent higher than what we

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Speaker 9: have seen reported pre conflict. And in terms of respiratory infections,

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Speaker 9: the things like covid, influenza and pneumonia, one hundred and

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Speaker 9: fifty thousand cases. And that's just the numbers that we

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Speaker 9: know about. But we're also seeing cases and outbreaks of

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Speaker 9: things like meningitis, skin rashes, babies, LCE, chicken pox, which

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Speaker 9: is highly infectious. And you know, we worry in those

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Speaker 9: cases about when people are in these close quarters and

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Speaker 9: their bodies are already strained, because one thing we do

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Speaker 9: know is that when your bodies physiologically under stress meaning

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Speaker 9: no sleep, malnutrition, you know, not access to clean water

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Speaker 9: to wash your hands, not you're dehydrated, et cetera, you're

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Speaker 9: at an increased risk for disease and severe disease. So

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Speaker 9: that means that people are at higher risk to get

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Speaker 9: it and then to spread it in these environments, and

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Speaker 9: that's what's really scary because it becomes a hot spot

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Speaker 9: for transmission. And you mentioned that this feels like a

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Speaker 9: secondary effect in many ways. It's almost like a secondary conflict,

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Speaker 9: if you will, and one that will leave lasting implications

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Speaker 9: because what we do know is that disease and conflict

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Speaker 9: go hand in hand. When I think about it a lot,

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Speaker 9: it's and we've seen this unfortunately throughout time, is that

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Speaker 9: conflict can bring disease and it can amplify disease. When

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Speaker 9: I say bring disease, we know that people in these

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Speaker 9: spaces soldiers can bring in disease that are reinspread around.

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Speaker 9: But we've also seen sexually transmitted diseases in the past

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Speaker 9: being spread through sexual assault and sexual violence, and that's

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Speaker 9: one thing I definitely worry about it. Unfortunately, we know

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Speaker 9: that's happening and it's not something we're going to see

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Speaker 9: reported for a while, but things like that can and

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Speaker 9: do occur, and it's a very scary situation.

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Speaker 10: If I can tack on a little bit to the

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Speaker 10: diarrhea subject here because I am a GI and liver doc.

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Speaker 10: I mean, in a typical month in Gaza, there is

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Speaker 10: about two thousand cases of diarrhea and kids under five,

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Speaker 10: and in the last month there was over forty thousand cases.

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Speaker 10: And for kids that aren't getting water, they're not getting

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Speaker 10: the recommended amount of like daily water, like it's like

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Speaker 10: seven to eight leaders in refugee situations is what's recommended.

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Speaker 10: These people are getting like one to two leaders per

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Speaker 10: whole families, so they're not staying hydrated. And these are

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Speaker 10: kids that are most vulnerable. That's the part that is

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Speaker 10: really hard for me. And I've actually seen people sort

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Speaker 10: of downclay it, like just like, well, diarrhea, you know,

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Speaker 10: that's what you get, but in these situations, it's it's

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Speaker 10: going to be very serious for these kids. And the

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Speaker 10: other thing we're seeing is cases of jaundice. They're noting

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Speaker 10: that people are becoming that, which to me suggests that

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Speaker 10: there's hepatitis A and hepatitis E, which is you know,

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Speaker 10: you get through fecal oral contamination. And hepatitis E in

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Speaker 10: particular is what concerns me because there's pregnant women and

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Speaker 10: when pregnant women get hepatitis E, it's worse for them.

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Speaker 10: There's that that's a really bad situation. And when that happens,

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Speaker 10: I mean, these are these are women who are already

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Speaker 10: not getting support, They're already under nourished, They're not able

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Speaker 10: to produce breast milk, they are going to be sick,

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Speaker 10: They're not going to be able to feed their kids.

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Speaker 10: It's I mean, I can't. I can't imagine, honestly, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I know, it's it's funny. We can say these things,

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Speaker 10: we can talk about the numbers, but it is like

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Speaker 10: to actually wrap my brain around it breaks my brain.

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Speaker 10: I cannot, like imagine the numbers of people that are

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Speaker 10: sick and are in these hospitals, not just being treated,

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Speaker 10: but like the NASA Hospital, which is one of the

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Speaker 10: two hospitals in Gaza. You know, there are like a

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Speaker 10: three hundred and fifty bed hospital. There are already over

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Speaker 10: like a thousand patients, and not to mention the many thousands,

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Speaker 10: over seventy thousand people just staying there, you know, for

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Speaker 10: for refuge. It's absolutely a nightmare. I can't. I can't

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Speaker 10: write my brain around it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Like often I know when I speak to colleagues

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Speaker 8: who are there or at the journalist say they'll go

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 8: to hospitals a in the hope that they'll be safe,

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Speaker 8: which hasn't proven to be true sadly, which is pretty

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01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 8: messed up. But be you know that they have many generators, right,

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01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 8: so they can charge and and tell the world what's happening,

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01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 8: or try to. It seems like some of the word

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Speaker 8: isn't listening, but yeah it there. Cospitals are incredibly overgrowded.

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Speaker 8: I wonder like if we could go back to diarrhea

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Speaker 8: and there's.

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Speaker 2: Not like a fun topic, stoke about it. Yeah, fix score, Yeah,

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: it's ready, time to shine. Yeah, life's work.

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Speaker 8: So, like I think it was diarrhea that I read

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 8: kills more people than conflict annually.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah worldwide sure, yeah yeah, well I mean Saskia

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Speaker 10: probably has better numbers on it than I do, actually,

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 10: but worldwide, yeah, it's probably the number one, number one killer.

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Speaker 8: So like let's just break that because I most of

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 8: like by the very nature that's being a podcast, right,

1324
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 8: most are people listening are in the in the kind

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 8: of the in the neoliberal core or the global north,

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 8: whatever you want to call it, right, Like they have

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 8: a smartphone and they've downloaded this, and it might be

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 8: difficult to understand how you die from diarrhea, which is

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 8: like an inconvenience in a lot of places. So can

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Speaker 8: you just explain that for people so they can they

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 8: can understand and how the conditions that we see in

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Speaker 8: Gaza would compound.

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Speaker 10: That Saska, Do you want me to go first?

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Speaker 9: Oh? All you, I'll talk about how it spreads.

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Speaker 2: You can talk, okay.

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Speaker 10: So, I mean, the there's a couple of issues that

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 10: can happen. There's a lot, but I mean dehydration is

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Speaker 10: going to be a major one, and loss of electrolytes.

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 10: I mean, these people can get so badly dehydrated that

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Speaker 10: their circulatory system isn't working properly. Or they can lose

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 10: the amount of electrolytes that they need and they're not

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Speaker 10: replacing and that can cause cardiovascular issues as well. So

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Speaker 10: it's a terrible way to die. I mean, you know,

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 10: cholerara and these terrible like diarrheal epidemics that you know,

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 10: we think of of mostly in the past. They're terrible.

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 10: They're terrible ways to go and especially if you don't

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 10: have the I mean, it's treatable usually it's treatable. You know,

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Speaker 10: you get fluid rehydration, you get electrolyte management. It's it's

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 10: pretty manageable in the right situation. But if you don't

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Speaker 10: have that, it's gonna be a devastating thing to the

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Speaker 10: body over time, and for young kids sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe we should explained how it spread.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean the scary part. So there's multiple pathogenes

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 9: that can cause diarheal illness, and for the most part,

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Speaker 9: we see bacteria and viruses. If you've had neurovirus, which

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 9: is the cruise ship bug, that is highly transmissible, meaning

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01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 9: it just goes through households and environments very very quickly.

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Speaker 9: During outbreaks. You can't just use hand sanitizer and a

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 9: simple disinfectant. You need bleach. And if you're if we're

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 9: thinking about the best case scenario, and I've seen you know,

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01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 9: diarreheal illnesses go through schools, hospitals, you name it. We

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01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 9: still struggle to contain those. Now, put yourself in an

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Speaker 9: environment with this level of stress, and you know the

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Speaker 9: thirty six hospitals in Gazda Gaza, twenty six have been damaged,

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01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 9: twenty one are not functional at all thirteen are partially

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 9: functioning and two are barely functioning. So we know that

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Speaker 9: access to care is a challenge. Resources I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 9: So that means the capacity to treat patients with antibiotics,

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Speaker 9: with fluids, everything, and now can paint it, which is

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Speaker 9: the disinfection you know, all the infection prevention essentially, And

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Speaker 9: I don't even want to think about contact tracing in

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01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 9: public health interventions because it doesn't exist. It's an entirely

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 9: collapsed system. You know, this is a humanitarian crisis. So

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Speaker 9: when you know, when you have people in close quarters

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Speaker 9: and there's a lot of high touch items because a

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Speaker 9: lot of diarreal illness is spread through touch. It's you know,

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 9: contaminated hands and objects, and then you know, you touch

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 9: your mouth, you eat with your hands, et cetera. That's

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Speaker 9: how these things are spread. So between the bathroom not

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01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 9: having access, you know, not having access to restrooms. You know,

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Speaker 9: we mentioned the toilet situation, there's also one shower for

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 9: every forty five hundred people, So we know that people

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 9: are not able to clean themselves effectively, and this is

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Speaker 9: a ripe condition for diarreal illness to spread, and they

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01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 9: it spreads very quickly, very efficiently, and it is exceedingly

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Speaker 9: hard to get rid of. And it worries me because

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Speaker 9: a lot of these diseases, it's not just like you

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01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 9: get at one time and you have immunity to it.

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Speaker 9: It can keep going awaydun and if you have a

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Speaker 9: situation like that where you cannot clean effectively, you can't

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Speaker 9: treat effectively, then we're just going to see it continuously compound.

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Speaker 9: And that's absolutely terrifying because you know, we were talking

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Speaker 9: about pregnant women earlier. There's fifty thousand pregnant women right

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01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 9: now in Gaza and they are malnourished. That's just at

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 9: the tip of the iceberg. And we see that so

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Speaker 9: many children there are malnourished. And these are very dangerous

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Speaker 9: infections for vulnerable people. And on the best of days,

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Speaker 9: we struggle to contain diarreal illness. So my big concern

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Speaker 9: is this and respiratory viruses, to be honest with you,

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 9: because when you have this many people in close quarters

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 9: and ignore the fact that they are extremely you know,

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 9: physically strained and stressed right now, which is when your

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 9: immune system struggles, it's going to spread and it's going

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01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 9: to be exceedingly hard to contain it. So this is

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Speaker 9: an environment where we're going to see diarreal illness spread

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Speaker 9: and it's going to unfortunately kill a lot more people

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 9: then we will even realize. It's going to take years

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 9: to understand implications of this, you know, if we even

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 9: consider that access to clean water and food, and we've

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Speaker 9: been talking a lot about malnourishment, which is huge, but

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Speaker 9: I'm also concerned to the quality of food that they're

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 9: getting too, and the water, all of it. Everything about

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01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 9: the situation is going to spread disease. It's you know,

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Speaker 9: I know that sounds quite dramatic, but it's entirely true.

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Speaker 7: No, I mean, I'm glad you're emphasizing that, because I

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 7: don't think people realize the gravity of of like a

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 7: second wave of death like that that happens like not

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Speaker 7: even not with weapons.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: But no, I'm glad you emphasize that. Let's uh, let's

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 7: take our first break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 9: And it reminds me too of when we saw UN

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 9: peacekeepers in Haiti and they introduced polera, and you know,

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 9: and that's it's an unfortunate reality when you are bringing

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01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 9: in groups of people to in this you know, for

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 9: in Haiti, they were trying to help the situation. In

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Speaker 9: this case, it's not surprising. I mean, there's a really

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 9: good book called Contagions and Chaos that actually talks about

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 9: how infectious diseases can amplify conflict or create it. And ultimately,

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Speaker 9: I think we're just going to see this as a

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01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 9: rolling in health issue until there's a ceasefire and until

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 9: there's really substantial work in there to resource and to

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Speaker 9: take care of people.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's scared any Kyve. You mentioned that you

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Speaker 7: had a question for Saskia.

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Speaker 10: I do you know You've written and you talked a

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01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 10: lot about the intersections of science and policy, particularly in

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01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 10: terms of COVID nineteen. We've seen that global threats elsewhere

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 10: can affect Americans, and I'm wondering, is there a way

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01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 10: to try and appeal to Westerners who aren't that interested

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 10: yet and why they should care about infectious diseases that

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 10: are rising or become rampant in other places. Is there

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01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 10: an argument you can make to these people who may

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01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 10: not care that much about the Palestinian people per se.

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Speaker 9: Oh, there's the political answer I should give you, and

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 9: then there's the real answer, which is political answer saying

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 9: that you know people do care, and you know we're

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 9: just having the console in your mind them. But the

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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 9: real answer is, look, we just came out of three

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 9: and a half years of a pandemic and at this point,

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01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 9: if people don't give a shit, they're not going to.

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01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 9: And I know that's crude for me to say, but

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 9: it's I've been working in this and we've seen it

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01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 9: from Ebola to mers too, empocs, and in now coming

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01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 9: out of COVID. I think we can safely say that,

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 9: you know, it's not a matter of if, but when.

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 9: But people really like the saying that is infectious disease

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 9: knows no borders, and to a certain extent that is true.

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 9: Infectious diseases they don't know that, but it ignores the

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01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 9: fact that some countries are are more equipped to handle them,

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01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 9: and that borders our pores concept. So in this case,

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Speaker 9: I think from an American perspective, where it is a

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01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 9: very complicated relationship Americans have and I'm not getting into that.

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 9: When it comes to Israel, the reality is that it

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 9: shouldn't matter if it's a conflict. If you see an

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01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 9: outbreak somewhere, you should be worried for those people, and

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 9: it shouldn't matter if it's going to impact you. But

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 9: now that we have lived through a pandemic, a historical event,

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 9: I would like to think people would see this and

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 9: realize any one of these diseases can come to the States,

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01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 9: it can strain global resources. And I'm hopeful that with

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01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 9: the amount of attention that's coming to this and that

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 9: the work that the WHO and the UN have been

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 9: drawing attention to it, that will change. But I get

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Speaker 9: a little nervous every time we talk about infectious diseases

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 9: and conflict areas, because I find that America and it's

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 9: not just us, that people in high income countries disassociate

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01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 9: because that is a conflict related issue, but it's not

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 9: Conflict can mean many different things, and it's essentially saying,

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01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 9: this is an issue that's going to bubble out of control.

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01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 9: And if we were in a situation where there was

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 9: no clean food and water, we had no access to

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01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 9: health services, in medicine, fuel was an issue, in power,

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 9: no communication, and I just read that three Palestinian internet

1485
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 9: providers went down, so they have no way to contact

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01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 9: outside world. They have housing, safe passes, et cetera. Any

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01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 9: one of those impacted US, we would be experiencing it.

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Speaker 9: And I will leave that question with one comment. That's

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01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 9: to say we are a very well resourced country. The

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 9: US invests so many resources into health, global health, security, biopreparedness,

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 9: all of the above, and we were one of the

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01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 9: worst performers when it came to COVID response. And I

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01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 9: say that having worked in health care during that and

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 9: doing epidemiology, and I think this should be a continuous

1495
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 9: wake up call that it's we're one disease away from

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01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 9: an international crisis, and when we see this, it should

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 9: really speak to the fact that it is global health.

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 9: It's not national health, not local health, it is global health.

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Speaker 2: That's my ted talk, the good tech talk.

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Speaker 8: I guess like if I could piggyback on that, there

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01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 8: is not a single war that I have covered, either

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01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 8: remotely or in person, where I have not then seen

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01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 8: those people arrive our border where I live. Like I

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 8: was in Syrian Kurdistan in October. I am seeing people

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 8: leaving Turkey, more and more Turkish Kurdistan, but also Syrian Kurdistan,

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01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 8: or people who went to Syria went back to Turkey

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01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 8: at our southern border.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I am seeing.

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Speaker 8: People from conflicts all over the world at our southern

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 8: border right now, and every single conflict, because we tend

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01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 8: to stick our nose into every single conflict, it ends

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01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 8: up here right because we tell people we support them

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01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 8: and then we abandon them, and they come here thinking

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01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 8: that we were going to support them. I also add

1515
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 8: that every time there is infectia disease outbreak going forward,

1516
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 8: it will be used in the same way that COVID

1517
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 8: was to prevent asylum. So the title forty two that

1518
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 8: was used to like quote unquote catch and release migrants

1519
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 8: at the southern border allowed border patrol to eject people

1520
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 8: without processing their asylum came. That's a public health law,

1521
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 8: it's dot a migration law. Biden's already indicated that he

1522
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 8: would love to do the same thing again, and like,

1523
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 8: you don't even need an excuse with this in focused

1524
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 8: disease stuff, right The laws are already there, and it

1525
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 8: was already in place for several years, so it's kind

1526
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 8: of stood the test of the courts. And this will

1527
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 8: impact even if you don't give a shit about people

1528
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 8: in Palestine, and maybe you should examine what's up with

1529
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 8: your morality if you do like this will impact you

1530
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 8: because people will come here, and it will impact you

1531
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 8: because people who should come here won't be able to

1532
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 8: and that will mean that people who have done nothing wrong,

1533
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 8: who trusted us when we lie to them. You know,

1534
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 8: people Americans seem to care about afghanstanare than other people.

1535
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 8: Like I've spoken to a hundred roods of Afghan women

1536
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 8: in our border and like they were stuck under Title

1537
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 8: forty two in very dangerous situations in places like Mexico.

1538
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 8: So even if you only care about those people, you

1539
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 8: should still care about this. I guess can I add

1540
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 8: something to I think, please, you know, to.

1541
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 9: Avoid fueling isolationism, because I think that happens all the

1542
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 9: time when we talk about these global health issues. Every

1543
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 9: resource that has to be put to helping this health

1544
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 9: crisis that is bubbling out of a humanitarian crisis is

1545
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 9: a resource that's not back where it's supposed to be

1546
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 9: addressing global health issues. Meaning so for example, when we

1547
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 9: saw the people outbreak in West Africa in twenty fourteen,

1548
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 9: after there were you know, we started to actually realize

1549
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 9: the implications to malaria control, tuberculosis, HIV. So when we

1550
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 9: have to throw a bunch of emergency resources at a crisis,

1551
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 9: those are coming out of somewhere else. And I too

1552
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 9: that people don't realize that we're you know, as the who,

1553
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 9: the un everywhere, MSS is having to help this situation

1554
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 9: because there's no access to care, and again is a

1555
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 9: health crisis. That means we're going to start to see

1556
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 9: other things pop up elsewhere, and that really worries me

1557
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 9: because we are already very strained when it comes to

1558
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 9: global health resources. We just again came out of a pandemic.

1559
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 9: So everyone's tired, everyone's burnt out. We've got health systems

1560
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 9: and a lot of and we're seeing even in the

1561
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 9: US where a lot of funding for like the CDC

1562
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 9: is being pulled and NIH. So now that we're out

1563
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 9: of kind of coming back into this panic neglect cycle,

1564
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 9: I worry that a lot of the resources that we're

1565
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 9: having to pull to address this crisis are going to

1566
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 9: then ultimately leave a lot of other places at risk

1567
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 9: or infectious diseases, for long term health implications. So it

1568
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 9: is a lot bigger than one area or people you know,

1569
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 9: having to flee to the US. It's all of these things,

1570
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 9: and too often we approach this with a very short

1571
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 9: sighted this and we have, we don't you know, we

1572
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 9: have finite resources when it comes to global health response,

1573
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 9: and when we have to use them because you know

1574
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 9: we're not you know, approaching this effectively or appropriately, then

1575
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 9: we're going to see larger applications.

1576
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, even like we can just keep building off each

1577
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 8: other stuff and it's not here from the other two.

1578
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 8: Even recently, I was trying to buy some humanitarian daily

1579
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 8: rations for the border, which are people aren't familiar. They're

1580
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 8: like MRIs for refugees, and make sure we eat one

1581
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 8: on our live show once. It's very salty, Yeah, very salty.

1582
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 8: That's good for the electrolytes. But like that is the

1583
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 8: State Department. It's buying the back of surplus retailers at

1584
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 8: the minute, which like means that there's obviously like a

1585
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 8: critical lack of supply of these things. Same with UNHCR shelters,

1586
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 8: and like that means that someone else doesn't get to eat, right,

1587
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 8: because we've just massively increased burden of.

1588
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: People who desperately need to eat.

1589
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 8: Like it's not like these things were chilling before, like

1590
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 8: there were you know, hunger is still a massive problem

1591
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 8: in the world, despite us having so much food here

1592
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 8: and so like the say, Yet the same is true

1593
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 8: of medical supplies, like you said, right that that means

1594
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 8: that somebody else doesn't get them, that money doesn't go

1595
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 8: to something else very important that it could be going to.

1596
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 7: Can I ask about something I just learned about the

1597
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 7: past couple of days. So on December twenty fifth, the

1598
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 7: Jerusalem Posts reported that an IDF soldier died of a

1599
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 7: fungal infection, and apparently he was hospitalized and eventually he died,

1600
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 7: and at least ten other soldiers have been diagnosed with

1601
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 7: infections of some sort. I think what kind of made

1602
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 7: me annoyed is that there is a headline from the

1603
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 7: Times of Israel that said, as a soldier with fungal

1604
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 7: infection dies, fears a grow of Gaza diseases spreading into

1605
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 7: Israel and apparently they're examining whether the infections originated the

1606
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 7: Hamas tunnels and all this stuff. I think, while I

1607
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 7: that's it, really it really bothered me because I looked

1608
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 7: at all of these articles. I mean, most of them

1609
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 7: are obviously Israeli sourced, but it still was the same

1610
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 7: rhetoric of there's diseases in Gaza and our soldiers are

1611
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 7: getting them, and the Honestly, the takeaway in all of

1612
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 7: these was we have to worry about Israeli public health

1613
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 7: and the Israeli citizens. It wasn't about anything about the

1614
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 7: Gazins or anything like that. And I was just I

1615
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 7: guess I wanted to ask, is there any truth at

1616
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 7: all to the idea that there can be certain infections

1617
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 7: localized to that degree even though it's like a very

1618
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 7: small country in general. And I guess it's it's really

1619
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 7: I feel like it's a fear mongering tactic using health

1620
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 7: as a weapon.

1621
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

1622
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 10: Even the fungus has gone woke. I can't believe it.

1623
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 10: They've weaponized fungus, sasky. I'll let you address it, but

1624
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 10: I would say this, I mean, I think the fear

1625
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 10: I just did an episode of my podcast on funguses

1626
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 10: and talking about the last of us and seeing like

1627
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 10: the truth that there's really a concern, especially with global

1628
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 10: climate change, and it is I mean, the thought of

1629
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 10: a fungus affecting humans in that way who were not

1630
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 10: in some way under their body under stress or immunal suppressed,

1631
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 10: it's it's not that likely. And I definitely agree from

1632
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 10: what I'm hearing that like this is just another way

1633
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 10: to be like, look at these dirty people, we should

1634
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 10: bomb them to them.

1635
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 7: Everything related to Palestinians is oh, they're all it's all

1636
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 7: the plague, like they're scary, they're barbaric, and also they're

1637
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 7: going to make you sick. It's it's really infuriating. They're

1638
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 7: just going at every angle. I just I found the

1639
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 7: quote that made me mad.

1640
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Can I read it?

1641
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm going to read it.

1642
01:29:56,439 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 7: Basically, it says the war between Israel and moss has

1643
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 7: led to the destruction of large swaths of Gaza and

1644
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 7: internal displacement of the vast majority of its population, resulting

1645
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 7: in what is called the humanitarian crisis for the Palcians.

1646
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 7: It is called that because it is that body what

1647
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 7: if law. These conditions have led to the outbreaks of

1648
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 7: various diseases, which can potentially threaten the well being of

1649
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of IDF troops fighting in Gaza. They

1650
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 7: can also ultimately spell trouble for public health in Israel.

1651
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: I just can't believe that's the takeaway all.

1652
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 10: At Saskia, do you want to address the spread of

1653
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 10: fungal infection in a situation like this.

1654
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look again, this is a situation where

1655
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 9: disease is going to be spread and that includes Ida soldiers.

1656
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 9: They are risk because guess what, they all have to

1657
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 9: go back to their bunks and sleep at night in

1658
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 9: close quarters. Do we see diseases spread easily in militaries,

1659
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 9: of course, I mean it would be insane not to

1660
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 9: think that. But trying to, you know, source it in

1661
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:07,440
Speaker 9: Palestinians and Gazas is slightly ridiculous because there's no epidemiological

1662
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 9: evidence of that. But it's also kind of weird to

1663
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 9: me that they're saying a fungal infection. That's a very

1664
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,560
Speaker 9: specific thing, and bungle infections aren't fast infections for the

1665
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 9: most part. You know, when we do see them, I

1666
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 9: think from a regional perspective. If you live in the

1667
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 9: Southwest like I do. Galley fever is a fungal infection.

1668
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 9: It's in the dirt though, it's a spore in the dirt,

1669
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 9: and it's not spread between people though. That's that's the

1670
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 9: key part. It is you inhale it and you get

1671
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 9: it and it takes months in a lot of cases,

1672
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 9: but you know, you can you see fungal infections. Yeah,

1673
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 9: that could be contaminated water, you know, inhalation, through showers,

1674
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 9: things like that. I mean, there's ways for that to happen.

1675
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 9: But we really just for the most part see those

1676
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 9: infections spread from an individual source, not an individual person.

1677
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 9: They tend to really not be they're environmentally spread, you know.

1678
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 9: And I'm not a fungal expert. I can just speak

1679
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 9: to the ones that I've seen. Really, we don't see

1680
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 9: them spread between people, and so I think that it's

1681
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 9: it's a weird choice to say, and I worry a

1682
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 9: little bit that they're just again to your point, trying

1683
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 9: to say like, oh, look, our soldiers are getting sick.

1684
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 9: You know, the sacrifice they're making, right, yeah, is so much.

1685
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 9: And here's the thing. Conflict is where we're going to

1686
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 9: see disease spread no matter what. And I if you're

1687
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 9: so worried about soldiers getting fungal infections from Gaza, then

1688
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 9: maybe keep the people in Gaza safe and then they're

1689
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 9: you know, either way you paint this, if you're trying

1690
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 9: to blame it on them, they keep them safe and

1691
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 9: they won't be able to spread disease. Very simple.

1692
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did cite contaminated soil.

1693
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,440
Speaker 9: Okay, that's a contamination thing, like environmental.

1694
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, this one that the tibiologist said that these soldiers

1695
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 7: have come back with serious anti microbial resistant infections that

1696
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 7: they've picked up through contact with contaminated soil, among other factors.

1697
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: Like one, I feel like it's like a very direct statement.

1698
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

1699
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 9: There's a lot to unpack there. Again though, if it's

1700
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 9: in the soil, it's an environmental exposure. That is like,

1701
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 9: that's not anyone's fault from an anti microbial perspective that

1702
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 9: I'm having a hard time believing that value fever, as

1703
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 9: I mentioned, is really hard to treat, so sometimes it's

1704
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 9: not responsive to some of the medications you give. But

1705
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 9: you know you're gonna get anti microbial infections more so

1706
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 9: from people and contaminated objects, because that means that it

1707
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 9: has to have been exposed to antibiotics and become resistant

1708
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 9: to the infections. But there's that feels like very messy, uh,

1709
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 9: you know, reporting on their part or communications, because not

1710
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 9: a lot of that makes sense to me. And either way,

1711
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 9: if they're saying it's from the environment, congratulations, you've just

1712
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 9: proven you're not getting it from people.

1713
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. For getting into that.

1714
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 7: I just the the Hammas tunnels, the Hamas terror tunnels,

1715
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 7: sorry in their words, their terror tunnels. They're going to

1716
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 7: investigate whether infections have originated from there.

1717
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: It just it's also just that doesn't make any sense.

1718
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to have two doctors here agree, and

1719
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: that's all I wanted.

1720
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 10: I mean, I will say this cocady of mycosis is

1721
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 10: valley fever, and we like, you know, she just mentioned

1722
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 10: it's we see it here in California. It's the reason

1723
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 10: why we used to say, if you're driving it down

1724
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 10: Central Valley, California, down the Eye five, you should roll

1725
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 10: up your window and and not breathe in the air

1726
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 10: because there's a possibility of getting it from that so

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01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 10: o way they say that, well they I don't think

1728
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 10: they do so much anymore.

1729
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: There's a whole number of reasons why you don't want

1730
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 2: to be breathing.

1731
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of cow farms out there too.

1732
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 10: It gets a little bit nasty out there in the

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01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 10: I five. But but I mean, it's what is an

1734
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 10: endemic thing. It's like, if they don't want to be

1735
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 10: exposed to it, stay out of that area.

1736
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, but You're not going to get it from

1737
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 9: other people. That's the kicker. It's not spread from people.

1738
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 8: It is very common to a tribute effect your diseases

1739
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 8: that come from conflict to you'll enemy, right. It's like

1740
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 8: if you look at like the nineteen eighteen pandemic flu, right,

1741
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 8: and all the different things that people call that flu

1742
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 8: and the people to whom they attributed it, like, you

1743
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 8: can see that we've been doing that for more than

1744
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 8: one hundred years. It's it's part of the process of

1745
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 8: dehumanizing people who you're trying to kill.

1746
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 2: It happened with COVID too, No, it's yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah,

1747
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 2: that was a whole different situation. I guess humans just

1748
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 2: don't learn.

1749
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 10: I suppose.

1750
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 8: So I wonder Saskia, like we obviously this is a

1751
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 8: terrible situation, and it's one that's like super easy to

1752
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 8: feel very disempowered with because you know, as much as

1753
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 8: you march around and do things, it doesn't seem to

1754
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 8: be stopping. There is there anything that like people can

1755
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 8: do advocate for, like take action on, that could make

1756
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 8: this slightly less bad.

1757
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 9: I mean, a ceasefire, I encourage people to donate to

1758
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 9: unisf and obviously you know, MSF, a lot of the

1759
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 9: wonderful organizations doing work there, and probably my my biggest

1760
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 9: one right now, especially since we're around the holidays and

1761
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 9: people are spending a lot of time with family and

1762
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 9: likely getting into some heavy conversations around the dinner tables.

1763
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 9: Make sure you're well informed and you're not spreading misinformation

1764
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 9: and disinformation online because that's been a huge aspect of this.

1765
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 9: You know, we saw with the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine.

1766
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 9: You know, Russia took direct action to spread misinformation and

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01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 9: disinformation and we're struggling with that in the United States

1768
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 9: right now with this. So I encourage people to stay

1769
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 9: informed of this, to really utilize good resources and not

1770
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 9: pull things from social media. If you're going to share something,

1771
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 9: you know, do so from an accurate source. I really,

1772
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 9: you know, the who un have been really good at

1773
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 9: doing continuous updates and sharing that information. Human Rights Watch

1774
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 9: at all of the above, and on top of again,

1775
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 9: donating and really being an advocate for a ceasefire to

1776
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 9: me is the biggest thing because also reminding people, hey,

1777
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 9: this is currently a localized crisis, but infectious diseases and

1778
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 9: humanitarian crisis crises, excuse me, rarely stay that way.

1779
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 10: I would also plug the Palestinian Medical Relief Society the PMRS.

1780
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 10: They're the on the ground people. They've been there since

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01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 10: nineteen seventy nine. They are founded by Palestinian doctors. It's

1782
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 10: mostly a Palestinian run and they're doing I think, really

1783
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 10: good work down there as best they can. And there

1784
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 10: where actually the who gets most of their information or

1785
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 10: a lot of it at least it's coming from their

1786
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 10: updates from the PMRS people on the ground, So that's

1787
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 10: another local source to look at if people are interested

1788
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 10: in getting involved.

1789
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 2: I think you got you sure to wrap it up.

1790
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 7: Yet, I was just thinking how unfortunate it is that

1791
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 7: people don't care enough. So you have to be like,

1792
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 7: it's not only going to stay localized, Like it's not

1793
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 7: just that probably, you know what I mean. I hate

1794
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 7: that we have to go there because, especially after going

1795
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 7: through a pandemic yourself, if that is still not enough

1796
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 7: for you to have any kind of empathy, that's that's

1797
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 7: just insane to me.

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01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 2: That's uh.

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Speaker 9: The one consistent thing I've seen is a lot of

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01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 9: people say, oh, this conflict is you know, very There's

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01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 9: a lot of history, and I don't really want to

1802
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 9: get involved and yeah, and you know, to us, I

1803
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 9: do understand that there is a long, complicated history that

1804
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 9: not a lot of people are well informed of. But

1805
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 9: inform yourself. And that doesn't mean you can't have empathy.

1806
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 9: You can you know, denounce the moss and also denounce

1807
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 9: anti Semitism. Yeah, these things are not really intrusive. And

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01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 9: it's it's impressive to me that we're still after you know,

1809
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 9: it's not even been three months and we've lost twenty

1810
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 9: thousand people that we know of a mess. We're seeing

1811
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 9: journalists killed left and right as well. It's it's impressive

1812
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 9: to me that people are still saying, oh, I don't

1813
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 9: I don't really want to comment on that, or you know,

1814
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 9: it's it's it's very messy.

1815
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 10: In the medical I'm sorry, James. In the medical world,

1816
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 10: I've seen doctors complain about more about the word provider

1817
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 10: and how it's used. Then the fact that three hundred

1818
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 10: medical professionals have been killed, some of them while doing

1819
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 10: their duty in the hospital. Like, that's a part that

1820
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 10: kind of surprised me from a medical perspective. And you know,

1821
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 10: I think I mentioned it to you before. I'm grateful

1822
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 10: for coming on your show, because I think a lot

1823
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 10: of the overlap between doctors who listen to our show

1824
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 10: and they listen to yours, and they're very vocal and

1825
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 10: they're online, and they are the ones who are really

1826
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 10: giving me hope in these situations because and there's a

1827
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 10: lot of people in medicine and this is a medical issue.

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01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not even talking about any of the history.

1829
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,799
Speaker 10: That's nothing. That's not what I'm on. What it's important

1830
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 10: to me right now, it's about this healthcare crisis that

1831
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 10: is worsening and progressively worsening, and it is it is

1832
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 10: a bit of a bummer that I'm not seeing a

1833
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 10: little bit more interest in addressing it.

1834
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope.

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01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 8: I would say that most people, like insider outside of

1836
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 8: medical community could maybe agree that like the correct number

1837
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 8: of hospitals to bomb is zero hospitals and that but that, yeah,

1838
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 8: there isn't a reason why you bomb a hospitalities, shouldn't.

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01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 7: Anthony Blincoln said like a year or about Ukraine and Russia.

1840
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 7: Russia bombed hospitals and schools. There's no way that's normal.

1841
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 7: And then like there's a video where it's like cross

1842
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 7: sectioning into like right now, how He's like, we're always

1843
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 7: going to support Israel. So it's like, no, it's not normal.

1844
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 7: Bombing hospitals and schools is never normal or okay. It's

1845
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 7: crazy that Israel went from being like we would never

1846
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 7: bomb a hospital to bombing dozens of them and nothing happening.

1847
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like, yeah, I guess just felt like

1848
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 2: lick completion.

1849
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 8: Again, it's not okay when Turkey bombs hospitals in Northeast

1850
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 8: area either, Like I was there when they bomb one

1851
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 8: they bombed another one. Since it's not okay when the

1852
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 8: Hunter and mean mail bomb's hospitals and at this one

1853
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 8: hospital left standing in the whole of Corny State right now,

1854
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 8: and like this is happening there too, when we're not

1855
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 8: like not caring about those people because this is a

1856
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 8: topic of the day or whatever.

1857
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 2: Like it's also not.

1858
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 9: Okay to use white phosphorus on armed civilians across the

1859
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 9: board were Yeah, like in general, it's horrific, and I

1860
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 9: just I think it's it's you know, and there was

1861
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 9: there were a couple of reports and I think that

1862
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 9: there's still data coming out about it that bodies had

1863
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 9: organs stolen from them. Yeah, which is just horrific, and yeah,

1864
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 9: it doesn't really practice what Israel.

1865
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 7: Has done for a while though. Israel's uh, they said

1866
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 7: they stopped it and then they're continuing to do it.

1867
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 7: But it's like they're notorious for bringing to returning bodies

1868
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 7: that have been like autopsyed or having all their organs removed.

1869
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 7: And I want to just point out that for Muslim burials,

1870
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 7: the body is like it's very important that the body

1871
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 7: is whole, and the same for Jewish burials. But it's

1872
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 7: just a really disgusting just point blank and then also

1873
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 7: really disrespectful.

1874
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 9: But yeah, sorry interrupted, No, no, I mean it's and again,

1875
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 9: you know, I think there's still a lot of information

1876
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 9: coming out about that and how many that court, et cetera,

1877
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 9: because I, like I mentioned before, I think information right

1878
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 9: now is really challenging. Accurate information, of course, is exceedingly difficult,

1879
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 9: so I'm always very careful, you know what we say.

1880
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 9: But to me, you know, the Washington Post just released

1881
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 9: a really good article and in death analysis of the

1882
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 9: attacks on the Al Shifa hospital, because that's the biggest

1883
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 9: hospital in Gaza, and for a while, you know, IDF

1884
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 9: was saying, well, this is where Hamas has been operating

1885
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 9: they have a tunnel networks, and there was there was

1886
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 9: a good breakdown of why this is inaccurate and at

1887
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 9: the end of the day, now there's no acceptable reason

1888
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 9: to bomb a hospital, and drawing attention to the fact

1889
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 9: that this was occurring and misinformation is being shared is huge.

1890
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 9: So I'm hopeful that you know and very grateful to

1891
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 9: be on this podcast and talk with you all because

1892
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 9: the more information we can communicate about this situation, but

1893
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 9: also about the fact that there are much larger consequences

1894
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 9: of this from just even an infectious disease perspective is

1895
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 9: so critical because I don't think people realize that, and

1896
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 9: again they disassociate when they hear it's the conflict, it's

1897
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 9: a result of conflicts. It is so much larger than that.

1898
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 9: It will you know, we will see it in the States.

1899
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 9: We will see the ramifications of this and if nothing

1900
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 9: else again coming out of COVID, I'd like to think

1901
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 9: that we realize that we are part of a much larger,

1902
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 9: interconnected world and infectious diseases are simply a plane flight away.

1903
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very true. Thank you both so much for

1904
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 2: your brains and your knowledge of for coming on the show.

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01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 10: It's uh, thanks for having us.

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01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, you so much for having us, of course, and

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01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 8: before we go, i'd like to ask you if you

1908
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 8: have anything you'd like to plug like white people can

1909
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,440
Speaker 8: find you good. You've mentioned a couple of good resources,

1910
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 8: but other information resources that.

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01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 2: Kind of thing that you'd like to share.

1912
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 10: So, in terms of the resources, I am following a

1913
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 10: couple members of the PMRS. They have a Twitter feed

1914
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 10: but it's not very active, but the who gets a

1915
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 10: lot of the same information and they do a good

1916
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 10: job of updating in terms of where you could learn more.

1917
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 10: I just did an episode on the healthcare crisis in

1918
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 10: Gaza on my podcast, The House of Pod, which James

1919
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 10: has been on and stream. I'm trying to get you

1920
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 10: to come on.

1921
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 2: So I'm down.

1922
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 10: We're going to keep working on you and Saskia too.

1923
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 10: I mean, you're all invinded. I'm recording this. I'm just

1924
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 10: gonna release it on my podcast as well. And yeah,

1925
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 10: so listen to us there. I'll be doing more episodes

1926
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 10: on this topic as well in the in the coming months.

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01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 9: Cool perfect, I'm marrying all of those resources I really

1928
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 9: been looking to. Of course, I'm the Public Health Parents,

1929
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 9: So who you know Seth, Human Rights Watch and my

1930
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 9: big go tos as you know, again as all the

1931
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 9: sources we've already mentioned, and I really I want to

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01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 9: give a shout out to a colleague of mine, Jessica

1933
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 9: Alti Rivera, who is really really wonderful in this space

1934
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 9: and has been doing a lot of science communication on

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01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 9: her Instagram. I tend to be a little bit more

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Speaker 9: on the cesspool that is formally Twitter, but you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm I think there's some really wonderful people out there,

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Speaker 9: this entire group included, that are actively working to share

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Speaker 9: information but also how people can get engaged and involved.

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Speaker 9: So shout out to her and just all of the

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Speaker 9: hard work that a lot of key journalists are doing

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Speaker 9: in this space, because again, if you have no communication

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Speaker 9: out it's really hard to get accurate information.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks guys for listening. Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 1: James?

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Speaker 2: Can I wrap us out? Or is this too monotone

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Speaker 2: of up? Send it?

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Speaker 7: No, that's the show again, Thanks again for both of

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Speaker 7: you being so outspoken. I think, especially reminding everyone that

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Speaker 7: it's actually not complicated, because it's it's also like a

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Speaker 7: medical issue. It's not exactly when you just look at

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Speaker 7: the numbers, look at body count, look at families. That's

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Speaker 7: I think what our main focus should be. And I

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Speaker 7: appreciate you both because I know it's a tricky out

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Speaker 7: there to be outspoken.

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Speaker 10: So thank you, Thank you guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here at the show about

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Speaker 3: the slow end of the world and all the small

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Speaker 3: little things that are kind of pushing us that way.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that exciting?

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Speaker 9: New Year?

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Speaker 4: Knew me?

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Speaker 2: Not not really.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of doing the same stuff, mostly staring into

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Speaker 3: the abyss and seeing what stares back. Staring at the

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Speaker 3: abyss with me today is Mia Wong. Hello, thank you

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Speaker 3: for joining me. Oh boy, the abyss is is looking

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Speaker 3: real choppy today, real abyssle.

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Speaker 2: You could say, the waves coming out of it are

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Speaker 2: staring back at you real hard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're gonna talk today about anti semitism, So

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Speaker 3: I guess content warning in case you don't want to

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Speaker 3: hear a whole bunch of anti Semitic stuff. I'm not

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Speaker 3: just gonna be repeating anti Semitic things. It's just this

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Speaker 3: is just the topic for the whole episode. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: the past few months there has been a pretty dramatic

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Speaker 3: rise in anti semitism, ranging from physical attacks, vandalism, and

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Speaker 3: lots of rhetoric. Now, there's a few as that I

1980
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Speaker 3: think make this a little bit tricky to talk about,

1981
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Speaker 3: which is why it's taken me a while to put

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Speaker 3: this together. Firstly, I want to avoid getting into like

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Speaker 3: oppression Olympics here, right, talking about one bad thing does

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Speaker 3: not negate many other bad things that are happening concurrently.

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Speaker 3: Having a discussion about a very troubling rise in antisemitism

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Speaker 3: and a state backed ethnic cleansing do not need to

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Speaker 3: be mutually exclusive topics of discussion. Right. We can say

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Speaker 3: both of these things are actually pretty bad. And today

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Speaker 3: we're going to be talking specifically about anti semitism. And

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Speaker 3: I think you know, this show has had a history

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Speaker 3: of reporting on anti fascist movements and attempts to stop

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Speaker 3: fascist entryism and promoting of anti semitism. So this topic

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Speaker 3: is well within our regular wheelhouse and there is a

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Speaker 3: decent bit to talk about. Now. The second thing that

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Speaker 3: makes this topic a little bit tricky is that some

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Speaker 3: of the big extremism research groups that typically do the

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Speaker 3: most cataloging of anti Semitic incidents have proven themselves to

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Speaker 3: be slightly unreliable on this topic for the past four months.

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Speaker 3: And that's not just my opinion, that's also the opinion

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Speaker 3: of current and former ADL employees who have been coming

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Speaker 3: out against Director Jonathan greenblatz leadership choices, particularly since the

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Speaker 3: October seventh Hamas attack. Now, due to the nature of

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Speaker 3: their job versus my job, ADL analysts have a lot

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Speaker 3: more dedicated time and resources to cataloging alleged anti Semitic incidents,

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Speaker 3: but under greenblatz direction, the whole of their data from

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Speaker 3: the past four months is heavily skewed to include anything

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Speaker 3: expressing anti Zionism as being included in their data about

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Speaker 3: anti semitism, and even anything deemed too sympathetic to Palestinians

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Speaker 3: as being a driver of anti Semitism. So that's the

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Speaker 3: kind of situation we have here with. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: many issues the ADL has had in the past, which

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Speaker 3: we may talked about in the future, but typically they've

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Speaker 3: done an okay job the past few years, specifically cataloging

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Speaker 3: anti semitism during the rise of the alt right. Their

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Speaker 3: data is often relatively reliable on this topic. Some of

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Speaker 3: their other data and other practices are very open to criticism.

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Speaker 3: But this is kind of one other factor that's gonna

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Speaker 3: make this a little bit tricky. Now, as like an example, right,

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Speaker 3: this is this is we can we can talk about

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Speaker 3: these things in abstract. I'm gonna talk about something from

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Speaker 3: Atlanta because this is something I have some experience in.

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Speaker 3: So on the ADL's big map of anti Semitic incidents

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Speaker 3: from October seventh to the present, if you zoom into Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: there's two incidents that are right next to each other.

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Speaker 3: One is a banner drop done by the Goiam Defense League,

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Speaker 3: which is a group of neo Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Oh God.

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Speaker 3: Basically, they made some banners expressing pro Hitler statements alongside

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Speaker 3: slogans like free Palestine, and they put them up above

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Speaker 3: a really big road in Atlanta. Right, So this is

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Speaker 3: pretty standard neo Nazi anti Semitism using kind of anti

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Speaker 3: Zionism as this sort of mask But I mean Hitler

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Speaker 3: very thid, Yes exactly, that's not really it's not really

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Speaker 3: masked because you also have a Hitler banner. But like

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Speaker 3: you know, if someone only sees one banner, be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's a Palestine banner, but no, it's actually a Nazi banner.

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Speaker 2: So we have this incident logged. We also have another

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Speaker 2: incident blogged right beside it from a protest a few

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Speaker 2: days later, which was an Inner faith rally in support

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Speaker 2: of Palestine against the ongoing ethnic cleansing that's happening in

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Speaker 2: Gaza with thousands and thousands of people being killed. So

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Speaker 2: we have this banner drop and we have this rally,

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Speaker 2: and both of these things are labeled as an anti

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Speaker 2: Semitic incident. They're both like equal in the eyes of

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Speaker 2: this data, which just isn't true. I was, I was

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Speaker 2: at this rally. I did not hear.

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Speaker 3: Anything anti Semitic coming from the speakers. Many of the speakers,

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Speaker 3: if not the majority of the speakers, were Jewish. There

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Speaker 3: were a group of Jewish counter protesters who showed up

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Speaker 3: who started many fights, fights which were very quickly de

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Speaker 3: escalated by the people who were putting on the rally.

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Speaker 3: There was this one woman who was carrying an Israeli

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Speaker 3: flag on his flagpole who kept hitting people with it.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: things going on at this rally, but this was not

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Speaker 3: an anti Semitic rally, And in fact, the Jewish counter

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Speaker 3: protesters were extremely vitriolic. They were expressing explicit desire for

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Speaker 3: genocide of Palestinians, like very very gross stuff. It was,

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Speaker 3: it was really disgusting. So both of these incidents, though,

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Speaker 3: are seen as equal, which just show that's just an

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Speaker 3: easy example to kind of show how this data isn't

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Speaker 3: really reliable that the ADL is putting together here. Now,

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Speaker 3: I really don't feel like it's my place to go

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Speaker 3: through the eightyeals database and decide what is and is

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Speaker 3: not antisemitism, right, Like, that's I don't have the time,

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Speaker 3: nor the money normally the authority to be like the

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Speaker 3: arbiter of what is and isn't anti semitic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Garrison, Garrison turning into the anti Semitism commissar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's not That's not me, right. I have

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Speaker 3: a background in anti fascist research. I have a background

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Speaker 3: in neo Nazia driven anti semitism, Right, these are the

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Speaker 3: things I usually specialize in. But still, this is a

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Speaker 3: this is a massive this is a massive field. Antisemitism

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Speaker 3: is a complicated topic. Rhetoric can be complicated, and having

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Speaker 3: not attended or reviewed every single rally or incident in question,

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Speaker 3: I'm simply not equipped to make informed judgments. So for

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Speaker 3: that reason, this episode I will focus mostly on physical attacks, threats,

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Speaker 3: and vandalism as opposed to the much more murky waters

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Speaker 3: of rhetoric, online rhetoric and you know, just these these

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Speaker 3: there's been probably thousands of rallies across the United States.

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Speaker 3: I've not been to everyone, I've not watched every single speech,

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Speaker 3: I've not heard every single offhand comment, so I'm not

2083
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Speaker 3: going to deal with those. Instead, I'm going to be

2084
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 3: focusing on physical like in like IRL and things that

2085
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 3: have a very clear result of the action. So this

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01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 3: mostly attacks throughout vandalism. Anyway, moving on though, I guess

2087
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Speaker 3: actually the one other thing about stats is that when

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Speaker 3: talking about this rise anti semitism, because there's been a

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Speaker 3: lot of articles from mainstream news outlets being like, here's

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Speaker 3: the rise antisemitism, and here's the stats, another thing pointing

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Speaker 3: towards why these stats are unreliable and the reason why

2092
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be using them largely is because

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Speaker 3: many of the stats included and these articles are crime stats,

2094
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Speaker 3: and these crime stats are also proving to be heavily unreliable.

2095
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Speaker 3: For example, the Metropolitan Police claimed that there was a

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Speaker 3: one thousand and three hundred and fifty percent increase in

2097
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Speaker 3: anti Semitic hate crimes in London during the first two

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Speaker 3: two and a half weeks of October, with two hundred

2099
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Speaker 3: and eighteen anti Semitic offenses in London during that time

2100
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Speaker 3: period compared to only fifteen in twenty twenty two. But

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Speaker 3: included in these stats are incidents like the police in

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Speaker 3: London arresting a man for tearing down some of those

2103
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Speaker 3: hostage posters. That's one of the hate crimes that they

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Speaker 3: include in this, and also the met said that that's

2105
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Speaker 3: the Metropolitan Police said that chanting from the river to

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Speaker 3: the sea near Jewish people or near Jewish buildings during

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Speaker 3: a protest would be deemed unlawful. And I think there

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Speaker 3: is a debate to be had whether if you're just

2109
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Speaker 3: protesting outside of a random Jewish building, that's probably not

2110
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 3: great and that could be an indicator of anti Semitism,

2111
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Speaker 3: but having that chant be deemed unlawful for just being

2112
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Speaker 3: near other Jewish people, Like I said, at the rally

2113
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Speaker 3: in Atlanta, there was a whole bunch of Jewish counter

2114
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 3: protesters who came to start fights. So like, you're going

2115
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Speaker 3: to be around Jewish people if you're a march you're

2116
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 3: marching around, or if you're outside in Israeli embassy that's

2117
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Speaker 3: a that's an it M I opinion, a very valid

2118
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Speaker 3: target for protest that would be considered a Jewish building.

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Speaker 3: So all of these stats are heavily heavily skewed by

2120
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Speaker 3: these by by these sorts of reasons for how how

2121
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 3: how the met is, including.

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Speaker 2: Things as being anti Semitic hate crimes.

2123
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean like this, like if you just

2124
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Speaker 5: think about what the rationale is there for a second,

2125
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 5: Like is a group of anti Sionist Jews chanting from

2126
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Speaker 5: the river to the sea around themselves a hate crime?

2127
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 2: Exactly rightight? Like this is nonsense? Like so, and also

2128
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

2129
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Speaker 5: And also like this is the British police, Like those

2130
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 5: are the most anti Semitic motherfuckers this side of like

2131
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Speaker 5: the Ukrainian neo Nazis or something.

2132
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Speaker 3: And like I do not doubt there was an actual

2133
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Speaker 3: increase of anti Semitic attacks bendless hate speech. That that

2134
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Speaker 3: is what we're talking about in this episode. We will

2135
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 3: be getting into many incidents, but it is difficult to

2136
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Speaker 3: pin down some of what these really big stats actually

2137
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Speaker 3: represent because if tearing down one of those silly Hamas

2138
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 3: wanted posters is being labeled a hate crime on the

2139
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Speaker 3: same level as drawing a swastika on a synagogue. That

2140
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Speaker 3: data is basically useless, and now I think it's also

2141
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Speaker 3: worth mentioning, just very very briefly, the Metropolitan Police also

2142
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 3: recorded a one hundred and forty percent increase in Islamophobic

2143
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 3: incidents during those first two and a half weeks of

2144
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Speaker 3: October's that's forty two incidents in twenty twenty two compared

2145
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 3: to one hundred and three incidents in twenty twenty three.

2146
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 3: And while that percentage is lower than the anti Semitic

2147
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 3: stat it also indicates how much more common Islamophobia in

2148
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 3: London is because the regular amount of reported incidents from

2149
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 3: last year is so much higher than the regular reported

2150
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,839
Speaker 3: amount of anti Semitic incidents. Like having forty two incidents

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Speaker 3: per like two and a half weeks, be the normal

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01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 3: stat is not great and maybe someone should look into

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Speaker 3: why British people are so islamophobic. I mean that there's

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Speaker 3: that that's a whole episode in and of itself. Is

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01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 3: Amophobia in the UK is a massive, massive problem. But

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Speaker 3: just as a comparison, I thought I might as well

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Speaker 3: say that we will get to Honkah next. But it

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Speaker 3: has already been thirteen minutes of me talking about stats

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Speaker 3: and giving disclaivers, so that means it's time for an

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Speaker 3: ad break. I'm not going to do a silly ad transition.

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Speaker 3: Just listen to the ads. All right, we are back,

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Speaker 3: since we just finally escaped the holiday season, Let's begin

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01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 3: by talking about Honkkah. Public manoras, often without any extra

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01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 3: like iconography tying them to the state of Israel, were

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Speaker 3: a frequent target of vandalism and anti Semitic messaging. During

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Speaker 3: the months of December, a far right member of parliament

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01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 3: in Poland used a fire extinguisher to blow at the

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Speaker 3: candles on a minora in the lobby of parliam A

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01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 3: public menora in London had its light bulbs smashed with

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Speaker 3: a free Palestine sticker placed onto the front, and then

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01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 3: days later it was found toppled over and left in pieces.

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Speaker 3: There's many of these incidents. I'm just gonna name a

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01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 3: few more, just because at a certain point it kind

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Speaker 3: of becomes redundant. But I think these things are worth

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Speaker 3: talking about. An eleven foot, three hundred and fifty pound

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01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 3: menora next to Lake Mari in Oakland was cut up

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Speaker 3: and destroyed in mid December, with pieces being thrown into

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Speaker 3: the nearby lake. A message was graffitied that led We're

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Speaker 3: gonna find you. You're on alert. It was also reported

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Speaker 3: that there was graffiti left nearby that read free Palestine

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Speaker 3: in Arabic.

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Speaker 2: But I can't confirm that.

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Speaker 3: The picture they have online does not match what free

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Speaker 3: Palestine in airboth looks like. But I'm not an expert

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Speaker 3: on Arabic, so i just can't confirm that, but that

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Speaker 3: is being reported in local Jewish newspapers. Manora sand sculpture

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Speaker 3: commissioned in Palm Beach was destroyed and left defaced with

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Speaker 3: a swastika outside of synagogue in a suburb of Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. A Manora was toppled over on the eve

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Speaker 3: of Honka, and two manoras were vandalized and damaged in

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn in early December by masked individuals. So one other

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Speaker 3: similar incident I will talk about, which is kind of interesting,

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Speaker 3: is that there was this pro Palestine protest at Yale

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Speaker 3: where a one of the protesters climbed up onto this

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Speaker 3: massive I don't know how tall it was, but it

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Speaker 3: was huge. They had to climb up pretty high on

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Speaker 3: this big public menora and placed a Palestinian flag kind

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Speaker 3: of around one of the little arms on the manora.

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Speaker 3: But very quickly, like within seconds of this happening, other

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Speaker 3: pro Palestine protesters, noticing this is kind of disrespectful, asked

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Speaker 3: this person to take it down, like like almost almost immediately.

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Speaker 3: This is a very a very quick exchange, and this

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02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 3: kind of sparked some people talking about, you know, is

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Speaker 3: it okay to put Palestinian flags on manora? Is it

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Speaker 3: okay to vanelize manoras? Which the answer is no, The

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Speaker 3: answer you shouldn't vandalize a manora. That's generally not great.

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Speaker 3: But you know, people were saying and specifically pointing towards

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Speaker 3: like pictures of IDF soldiers who've been taking territory in Gaza,

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Speaker 3: who've been putting up manoras in Gaza, or like the

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Speaker 3: Israeli military doing these photo ops with big manoras in

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Speaker 3: different parts of gazas being like, hey, when there's this

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Speaker 3: active ethnic cleansing going on and soldiers are using this

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Speaker 3: religious iconography and it's being associated directly with this, with

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Speaker 3: this ongoing ethnic genocide, how can you blame people who

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Speaker 3: are going to be treating this symbol with hostility, and

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Speaker 3: I think there's a few problems with this idea. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to quote from this Jewish artist who goes by

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Speaker 3: Underscore a Nunnery, who I think phrased this really well quote.

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Speaker 3: Jewish symbols shouldn't be associated with Zionism or ceded to

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Speaker 3: them just because Zionists abuse them. If the manora were

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Speaker 3: put up by Zionists, as some explicit the Zionist display,

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02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:04,919
Speaker 3: then putting up a Palestadian flag would be an active resistance.

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Speaker 3: If it's not, then it's just cementing the Zionist conflation

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Speaker 3: and exploitation of Jewish identity. There are more non Jewish

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Speaker 3: Zionists than there are Jews, unquote. And this gets at

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Speaker 3: a point which I think is really important when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about anti Zionist activism. Attacking symbols of Jewish culture

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02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 3: in the name of anti Zionism only strengthens the cause

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Speaker 3: of Zionism by affirming the conflation of Judaism and Zionism,

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Speaker 3: or Judaism and the State of Israel. This conflation helps

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02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 3: Zionists shield their actions by abusing the Jewish identity and

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02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 3: making these two things be more like intersectional. So I

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02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 3: think that is one a strategic reason for ya this

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Speaker 3: is a bad idea, and two it's maybe slightly anti Semitic.

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Speaker 3: So that is my little holiday section just because I

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Speaker 3: saw a whole bunch of stuff around these manoras and

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Speaker 3: I didn't feel about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like this sucks, like please don't do this.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen some people like also using the comparison

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Speaker 3: of like would you would you also criticize indigenous people

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Speaker 3: in America for graffitiing or taking down images of like

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Speaker 3: Christian iconography and like, No, because the oppression faced by

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Speaker 3: Christians and the oppression faced by Jewish people are two

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02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 3: different things. Like these are these are actually historically these

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02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:33,360
Speaker 3: are very different things. So no, these things actually cannot

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Speaker 3: be compared in my opinion. But now I'm going to

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02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 3: talk about some international incidents because I think we have

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Speaker 3: a tendency to overfocus on America when there's a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of other stuff happening and you know, the rest

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Speaker 3: of the world. Back in October, a historic synagogue in

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Speaker 3: Tunisia was burned down by a mob of hundreds of

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Speaker 3: people in response to reports that in Israeli airstrike hit

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Speaker 3: a hospital in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: This sucks.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't have to explain why burning down a historical

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Speaker 3: synagogue is antisemitic because you don't like something the state

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Speaker 3: of Israel did.

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Speaker 2: That's just that. Just isn't that just isn't like, that's

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Speaker 2: just not se shit like come on. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So a month later in November, someone posted the video

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Speaker 3: online of themselves pouring fuel and setting fire to the

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Speaker 3: only synagogue in Armenia. The entrance was damaged in the

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Speaker 3: arsen attack, but no one was hurt. The only synagogue

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Speaker 3: in Vortswaft, Poland. Sorry I pride butchered that, but it

2265
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 3: is a hard word, but the only synagogue in this

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Speaker 3: town of Poland to survive the Holocaust was defaced with

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02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 3: graffiti that read quote Israel criminals and murderers unquote and

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Speaker 3: then like a week I guess. Earlier that week a

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Speaker 3: group of teenagers also destroyed a an aura in this

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Speaker 3: same town. In mid October, Maltov cocktails were thrown at

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Speaker 3: a synagogue in Berlin after Hanukkah. In Belgium, a Jewish

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Speaker 3: materi was vandalized with swastikas on gravestones in late no

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Speaker 3: In In late November, a mult have cocktail was thrown

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Speaker 3: at a Jewish community center in Montreal. Earlier that month,

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02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:14,360
Speaker 3: shots were fired at two different Jewish schools in Montreal

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Speaker 3: in three different incidents, and four Holocaust memorials in Germany

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02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 3: were vandalized with a mix of antisemitic and anti Zionist messages.

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Speaker 3: So again, like when I was looking at these ones

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Speaker 3: once in Germany, the actual content of about half of

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02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:34,680
Speaker 3: these messages were not anti Semitic. But the act of

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Speaker 3: doing this at a at a at a Holocaust memorial

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Speaker 3: just is like it it it gives me the ick.

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02:05:42,120 --> 02:05:44,680
Speaker 3: And there's arguments could be made that this does actually

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02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:48,880
Speaker 3: play into antisemitic troops, like you're what, You're blaming dead

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02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:52,680
Speaker 3: Jewish people for the actions of the current state of Israel.

2286
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 3: Like that's it's it just And also half half of

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02:05:56,280 --> 02:06:00,760
Speaker 3: these messages left at these at these Holocausts were also

2288
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 3: just blatantly at anti Semitic, like very clearly like Nazi

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02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:04,600
Speaker 3: style stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't have time to go over all of the

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Speaker 2: incidents across the Europe. There is a great deal many.

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Speaker 2: There's many, many, many that I've not mentioned.

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Speaker 3: These are just a few. Like I said, I'm focusing

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Speaker 3: on like vandalism, very very clear cut stuff, people doing

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02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 3: arson attacks, right, it's just very very basic stuff. This

2296
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 3: stuff in Montreal not great, Montreal, Canada, get your shit together.

2297
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Speaker 3: Although unfortunately not surprising but still upsetting is Jews being

2298
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 3: barred from shops across Turkey. And oh there's a whole

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02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,120
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of very gross government government sponsored anti

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Speaker 3: semitism across Turkey campaigns to prohibit the sale of land

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Speaker 3: to Jewish people. A lot of a lot of bad

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Speaker 3: stuff in Turkey. But that's not incredibly surprising.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's aired Wan, Like, yeah, he fucking

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02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 5: sucks ass and he oh yeah. Airedwan is a man

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Speaker 5: who has personally ordered children to be burned alive with firebombs,

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Speaker 5: so you know this is not out of character for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess, uh finally this this one one

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02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 3: other thing about Honkah is that so last month, right

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Speaker 3: after the end of Honkah, bomb threats were sent out

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Speaker 3: en mass to more than four hundred Jewish Jewish centers

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Speaker 3: and synagogues across the United States. This was most likely

2312
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Speaker 3: orchestrated by the same kind of small number of individuals.

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Speaker 3: All of the messages were very similar. None of these

2314
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 3: were incredibly credible, but it still sparked a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of bomb sweeps and concerned because when Jewish synagogues get

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Speaker 3: bomb threats, that's not an empty threat either, Like this

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Speaker 3: is like there is historical precedent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I also like I think, I think the

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Speaker 5: everything that's important about this too is like this, this

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Speaker 5: is you know, this is like one of the things

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Speaker 5: is the culmination of everything that Wright's been doing for

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Speaker 5: the last like eight years has been the development of

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Speaker 5: like this quadre of people who do bomb threats.

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Speaker 3: Calling in bomb threats as a tactics. Yes, no, there's

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Speaker 3: the concerted effort form threats at hospitals that provide transgender care,

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Speaker 3: abortion clinics. There was a string of weirdly organized bomb

2328
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:10,840
Speaker 3: threats against schools about a year or two ago. But

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Speaker 3: I think I think Robert did an episode.

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Speaker 5: On yeah now and now we're here at you know,

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Speaker 5: we're at bomb threats you can synagogues, which is terrifying.

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Speaker 3: According to the Secure Community Network, a nonprofit security organization

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02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:26,720
Speaker 3: that tracks threats made against Jewish communities, bomb threats and

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02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 3: swatting incidents, basically freight trying to get a swat team

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02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 3: to show up somewhere because you lied about there being

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02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 3: like an ongoing crime or something. But bomb threats and

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02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 3: swatting incidents targeted against Jewish centers saw over a five

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02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:42,960
Speaker 3: hundred percent increase in twenty twenty three compared to the

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Speaker 3: previous year, which I have no reason to believe is incorrect.

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Speaker 3: So on that note, I know, I don't really think

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02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:54,960
Speaker 3: we could have a bomb threat segue to adds, I

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02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:59,200
Speaker 3: really don't really don't know. Don't do bomb, don't do

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02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:04,960
Speaker 3: bomb threat specypically, this is what I got. Yeah, typically, anyway,

2344
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Speaker 3: do you know what else is to bomb these ads? Okay, fine,

2345
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Speaker 3: all right, we are back. Maybe the worst air transition

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Speaker 3: we've ever done. That's not true, That is definitely not true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, you're right. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So during this last section, I'm gonna talk a little

2349
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Speaker 3: bit more about data aggregation. So, like I said previously

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Speaker 3: in this episode, due to the nature of what my

2351
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:42,480
Speaker 3: job is and the nature of what an ADL analyst's

2352
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:45,200
Speaker 3: job is, they just have a lot more time to

2353
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 3: dedicate towards specifically logging anti Semitic incidents. So I did

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02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:54,280
Speaker 3: look through their data set and I've made some extrapolations

2355
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 3: based on some of the findings and some of the

2356
02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:01,040
Speaker 3: open source data that they have regarding specific in so

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02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 3: on that note, the ADL has logged around one thousand

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Speaker 3: and one hundred anti Semitic incidents since October seventh, not

2359
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Speaker 3: related to protest rallies. So this is specifically all the

2360
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:17,960
Speaker 3: incidents that are not related to these big pro Palestinian

2361
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:22,760
Speaker 3: Interfaith many Jewish led rallies. Now I'm not saying that

2362
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 3: nothing anti Semitic has not happened at any of those rallies,

2363
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 3: but these rallies were logged simply as quote anti Israel

2364
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:35,720
Speaker 3: rallies which featured over anti Semitism, anti Zionism, and or

2365
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:40,760
Speaker 3: expressions of support for terror. So crammed in the middle

2366
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 3: of that explanation is just anti Zionism. So that is

2367
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:49,520
Speaker 3: one thing they are just counting as being enough to

2368
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:52,720
Speaker 3: be logged as an anti Semitic incident. So again, I'm

2369
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 3: not going through the over like one thousand rallies that

2370
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 3: they have logged here just because I don't have the

2371
02:10:58,360 --> 02:11:01,320
Speaker 3: time and I don't feel like it. But yes, just

2372
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:05,080
Speaker 3: for full transparency, that is the information. I'm not going

2373
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 3: to be looking at instead, I'm looking at these one

2374
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:10,919
Speaker 3: thousand and one hundred other incidents not related to these protests.

2375
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,400
Speaker 3: So these one thy one hundred harassment and vandalism incidents

2376
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 3: include things from anti Zionist slash, anti Israel stickers and

2377
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:23,160
Speaker 3: graffiti being left at universities and synagogues, the latter which

2378
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 3: I believe is in poor taste, but also you know

2379
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:30,120
Speaker 3: swastikas being painted on synagogues, extremely anti Semitic messages being

2380
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:34,680
Speaker 3: left at Jewish centers, and street harassment targeting visibly Jewish people,

2381
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 3: as well as just overt to neo Nazi activity under

2382
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 3: the banner of free Palestine. Now, of these over one

2383
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:46,320
Speaker 3: thousand and one hundred incidents, I'd say that a very

2384
02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:50,400
Speaker 3: small minority of them are principled anti Zionist activism, which

2385
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:54,200
Speaker 3: has been mislabeled. Most of the data in these one

2386
02:11:54,280 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 3: thousand incidents is just blatant anti semitism, I an specifically

2387
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:03,160
Speaker 3: directed to words, just regular Jewish people, people writing kill

2388
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:06,160
Speaker 3: Jews and bathroom stalls, threats being sent to Jewish people

2389
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:09,920
Speaker 3: mentioning Hitler or Hermas, a lot of just extremely gross

2390
02:12:09,960 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 3: stuff like there's too many, There's too many, Just like

2391
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:18,400
Speaker 3: threats that mentioned the word Jews that I just can't

2392
02:12:18,440 --> 02:12:20,440
Speaker 3: even read them all, nor do I want to, because

2393
02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:24,040
Speaker 3: it's just gross. Like there is a truly upsetting number.

2394
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:25,880
Speaker 3: Which is why I wanted to make this episode in

2395
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 3: the first place, is because I've been seeing this pretty

2396
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 3: big rise of anti Semitism. Other people have as well,

2397
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,120
Speaker 3: and I felt like this wasn't probably being as talked

2398
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 3: about as much as it should be among the anti

2399
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:39,560
Speaker 3: fascist left, because you know, everyone's focusing on this ethnic

2400
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 3: cleansing that's happening, because that is very bad. But meanwhile,

2401
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 3: there's this other massive problem that if you care about

2402
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:50,280
Speaker 3: fascist entryism, if you care about anti Semitic behavior and

2403
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 3: actions being either allowed to happen in leftist spaces or

2404
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 3: just happening in general, Like a lot of the stuff

2405
02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 3: is being done by fascists who are not who are

2406
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,440
Speaker 3: not you know, going to a pro Palestine rally because

2407
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 3: they believe in anti imperialism. But there's just a lot

2408
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:07,040
Speaker 3: of this stuff happening, which is why I think it

2409
02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:08,880
Speaker 3: is need needing to be talked about.

2410
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:09,520
Speaker 2: Now.

2411
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 3: There are a number of instances that are logged in

2412
02:13:12,440 --> 02:13:16,600
Speaker 3: these one thousand, one hundred incidents here, such as you know,

2413
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:20,080
Speaker 3: for I'm just gonna I'm gonna pull from actual examples.

2414
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 3: But also this is kind of generalizing because this was

2415
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:26,320
Speaker 3: also reflecting a small trend things like pro Palestine phrases

2416
02:13:26,440 --> 02:13:30,440
Speaker 3: being yelled at random Jewish people on the street, having

2417
02:13:30,640 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 3: like Antizionist stickers being poorly placed in different locations like

2418
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:40,120
Speaker 3: at a Jewish cemetery, vandalizing non political Jewish owned businesses

2419
02:13:40,200 --> 02:13:43,640
Speaker 3: with anti Zionist phrases, even like breaking the windows of

2420
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:47,760
Speaker 3: random Jewish owned businesses with no ties to Israel or

2421
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 3: the IDF and leaving anti Zionist phrases or pro Palestine

2422
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 3: phrases graffitied next to these broken windows. Now, while the

2423
02:13:56,640 --> 02:14:00,480
Speaker 3: content of what's being actually said in these incidents may

2424
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:05,080
Speaker 3: not be like anti Semitic in nature by itself, right,

2425
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:09,200
Speaker 3: like just having very basic anti Sionist phrases being graffeited

2426
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:13,400
Speaker 3: that may not be anti Semitic itself, like that combination

2427
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 3: of words. This sort of activity, though, plays into a

2428
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 3: classic anti Semitic kind of trope, as if every like

2429
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:27,080
Speaker 3: random Jewish person is somehow in part responsible for the

2430
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 3: actions of Israel, and it also conflates Jewish identity with Zionism,

2431
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,880
Speaker 3: which is the problem that we were talking about before

2432
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:37,680
Speaker 3: when we started this episode, right when I was talking

2433
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 3: about the stuff with Hanuka just a few hours ago

2434
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:47,440
Speaker 3: as of time of recording, the corvalis anti fascist branch.

2435
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,120
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah, I think they're a member of

2436
02:14:50,200 --> 02:14:53,280
Speaker 3: Torch put out this thread about how the GDL, the

2437
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 3: Going Defense League. We talked about them previously in this episode.

2438
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 3: They're a big group of organized neo Nazis that spread

2439
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:02,760
Speaker 3: a lot of anti Semitic stuff, How they hijacked a

2440
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:08,560
Speaker 3: city council meeting to spread anti Semitic stuff during a

2441
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 3: discussion of a during a discussion about a ceasefire resolution.

2442
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:17,560
Speaker 3: And I think they kind of ended their thread by

2443
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:21,000
Speaker 3: talking about how it is extremely important to call out

2444
02:15:21,080 --> 02:15:24,680
Speaker 3: the conflation of the Jewish people with the genocidal actions

2445
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:27,880
Speaker 3: of the State of Israel and assertions that the media

2446
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:31,760
Speaker 3: is controlled by Jews or that regular Jews have some

2447
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:35,400
Speaker 3: kind of say in everything that's happening. Right, it gets

2448
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:39,160
Speaker 3: in this kind of like cabalish notion. Now back to

2449
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,120
Speaker 3: kind of the data that I was talking about, these

2450
02:15:42,200 --> 02:15:47,360
Speaker 3: sorts of incidents are vastly, vastly outweighed by the number

2451
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 3: of just overt jew hatred, invoking of anti Semitic conspiracy theories,

2452
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:55,000
Speaker 3: calling for the death of Jews, and swastikas. But I

2453
02:15:55,240 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 3: still think it's extremely important to mention because the targeting

2454
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:01,320
Speaker 3: of random Jewish people in business is itself that is

2455
02:16:01,400 --> 02:16:04,640
Speaker 3: a form of anti Semitism, and this activity helps to

2456
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 3: reinforce the abuse of the Jewish identity by inextricately linking

2457
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:13,440
Speaker 3: it to Zionism, which only strengthens the Zionist ideology. So

2458
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:16,880
Speaker 3: that's that's that's my little mini rant about the way

2459
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:19,200
Speaker 3: we've been seeing some of these things play out. Now,

2460
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:24,000
Speaker 3: many of these over a thousand incidents logged use anti

2461
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:27,879
Speaker 3: Zionism as a sort of cover for just spreading anti Semitism,

2462
02:16:28,440 --> 02:16:32,680
Speaker 3: particularly from known white supremacist and neo Nazi groups. The

2463
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:35,520
Speaker 3: GDL is a good example. There's also groups like White

2464
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:38,360
Speaker 3: Lives Matter and a number of others that I could

2465
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 3: name that when you're looking through the ADL's data on

2466
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:45,840
Speaker 3: these one thousand or so incidents, a large large amount

2467
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:49,280
Speaker 3: of them are done by the Goam Defense League, the GDL,

2468
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:53,640
Speaker 3: And this is this is this is a strategic thing

2469
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:57,000
Speaker 3: for them, right They're seeing the kind of moment that

2470
02:16:57,040 --> 02:16:59,640
Speaker 3: people are in culturally, the way people are talking about Israel,

2471
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:03,440
Speaker 3: and if they can find a way to squeeze in

2472
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 3: their neo Nazi talking points kind of under this very

2473
02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:13,000
Speaker 3: very thin Palestine kind of veneer, that's great for them.

2474
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:17,040
Speaker 3: If they can get people to start almost mindlessly repeating

2475
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:19,480
Speaker 3: their style of talking points, that's great for them. Right,

2476
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:22,000
Speaker 3: it makes sense why they're putting so much time and

2477
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:25,200
Speaker 3: dedication to this, because they're trying to use this moment

2478
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:30,000
Speaker 3: and abuse the thousands of people who might be more

2479
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:33,200
Speaker 3: susceptible to this right now to spread their ideology and

2480
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:37,120
Speaker 3: to do and to do entryism like this is a

2481
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:40,240
Speaker 3: part of what their tactic is. So while it's true

2482
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:43,840
Speaker 3: that many of these incidents do come from explicitly Nazi groups,

2483
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:49,440
Speaker 3: there's also just a really upsettingly and shockingly large number

2484
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:53,640
Speaker 3: of them that come from students, students from middle school

2485
02:17:53,720 --> 02:17:57,360
Speaker 3: to college who are ostensibly anti Israel but are going

2486
02:17:57,400 --> 02:18:02,840
Speaker 3: about it via targeting randomish people and spreading anti Semitism,

2487
02:18:02,879 --> 02:18:05,360
Speaker 3: whether that's intended or not. But a lot of the

2488
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:08,280
Speaker 3: talking points are just anti Semitic talking points. Now, I

2489
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:10,360
Speaker 3: can't I'm not in the heads of anybody I'm not

2490
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 3: talking to the twelve year old in some middle school

2491
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:17,360
Speaker 3: in Colorado who's leaving anti Semitic messages in a bathroom stall,

2492
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:21,800
Speaker 3: but the effect is kind of the same. And just

2493
02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 3: the sheer number of specifically like like like middle school,

2494
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:30,000
Speaker 3: junior high, high school, instance, that are logged among this

2495
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:33,480
Speaker 3: thousand was just incredibly incredibly distressing.

2496
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:37,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I I mean, I think I think a

2497
02:18:37,879 --> 02:18:42,160
Speaker 5: lot of what's going on here is that, like the

2498
02:18:42,400 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 5: US is a culturally Christian society, right like it has

2499
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:50,520
Speaker 5: like of the developed countries, the US is like one

2500
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:55,280
Speaker 5: of the most Christian and American Christianity. And this is

2501
02:18:55,480 --> 02:19:02,720
Speaker 5: true of like in different ways of like just basically

2502
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:06,200
Speaker 5: all of the major Christian de nominations are enormously anti Semitic,

2503
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:09,080
Speaker 5: like and there are any Seminican theory in different in

2504
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 5: different in weird ways. Like I mean, I spent some

2505
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 5: time recently for something else, like reading about like this

2506
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:18,040
Speaker 5: argument between like the Evangelicals who are like, we need

2507
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:20,240
Speaker 5: to we need to have all the Jews go back

2508
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:23,039
Speaker 5: to Israel so that we can bring about the Second Coming.

2509
02:19:23,560 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 5: And they were gonna fight with the the hard line

2510
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:29,959
Speaker 5: like right wing Lutherans and the hard, hardline right wing

2511
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:32,000
Speaker 5: Lutherans are like, what the fuck do you mean? Like no,

2512
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:34,520
Speaker 5: like the Holy Land belongs to us, not the Jews.

2513
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:36,000
Speaker 5: What the fuck are you guys doing? Right, It's like,

2514
02:19:36,640 --> 02:19:39,640
Speaker 5: this is the baseline of American society, right, it's unbelievably

2515
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:44,920
Speaker 5: anti Semitic in ways that you know, are are just

2516
02:19:44,959 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 5: sort of passed down through like like culture are culturally

2517
02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:53,200
Speaker 5: received and absorbed in ways that people don't like see

2518
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,160
Speaker 5: or understand or think about, because it's just it's it's

2519
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:57,960
Speaker 5: the wall, it's the water that American that you know,

2520
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:00,320
Speaker 5: you swim in in American culture in this or it's

2521
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:05,680
Speaker 5: like like this hegemonic Christian society, and that means that

2522
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,400
Speaker 5: like even people with like at least in their heads,

2523
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:11,160
Speaker 5: good intentions get caught up in this shit.

2524
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:13,240
Speaker 2: It's funning, yeah, and bad.

2525
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:15,760
Speaker 3: And there's also at the same time, a very concerned

2526
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 3: effort to slide in the anti Jewish extremism, anti Semitic rhetoric,

2527
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:27,720
Speaker 3: to slide that in sometimes covertly, sometimes not into lots

2528
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:31,640
Speaker 3: of mainstream discourse and exchanges and social media specifically, TikTok

2529
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:33,920
Speaker 3: has been really has been really bad at this, which

2530
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:36,160
Speaker 3: is where a lot of young people spend probably the

2531
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:38,400
Speaker 3: majority of their day if they're going to be looking

2532
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:41,119
Speaker 3: at their phone, and it's it's I said, I didn't

2533
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:43,080
Speaker 3: want to get into like social media rhetoric. But also

2534
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:45,280
Speaker 3: just like as someone who spent a lot of time

2535
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:48,200
Speaker 3: on four chan and eight chan looking specifically at Nazis,

2536
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:52,360
Speaker 3: the way Twitter currently works is like it is just

2537
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:56,320
Speaker 3: four chan eight chan level stuff pretty commonly, Like if

2538
02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:59,800
Speaker 3: I look at the quote tweets of any of almost

2539
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 3: any tweet made by a Jewish person, there is just

2540
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:08,240
Speaker 3: some of the most atrocious, unmoderated anti semitism that I've

2541
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:11,760
Speaker 3: seen on a platform like Twitter, Like this is this

2542
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,480
Speaker 3: is really like eight chan level stuff, I think, And

2543
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:17,760
Speaker 3: this isn't intentional to slide this stuff in to make

2544
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:22,520
Speaker 3: it look normalized. The ADL reported a nearly one thousand

2545
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:26,600
Speaker 3: percent increase in the daily average of violent messages mentioning

2546
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,959
Speaker 3: Jews and Israel in a white supremacist and right wing

2547
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:34,320
Speaker 3: extremist channels on Telegram in the days following the October

2548
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:39,040
Speaker 3: seventh massacre. So this is something that is specifically being

2549
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:41,920
Speaker 3: done in far right spaces. I'm going to quote again

2550
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 3: from this corbalis against fascism. The struggle for the liberation

2551
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:48,959
Speaker 3: of Palestine is one of the most pressing of our time.

2552
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:52,000
Speaker 3: It's imperative that we shut down anti Semitic attempts to

2553
02:21:52,120 --> 02:21:56,000
Speaker 3: co op that struggle immediately. Which if you care about

2554
02:21:56,000 --> 02:22:00,600
Speaker 3: the liberation of Palestine and palestadining and peep, well, this

2555
02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:03,600
Speaker 3: is something you also need to be concerned about, because

2556
02:22:03,640 --> 02:22:07,240
Speaker 3: these two things are linked. There's twenty seven assaults have

2557
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:11,080
Speaker 3: been reported. Around eight of these assaults are stemming from

2558
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:14,600
Speaker 3: fights which broke out at protest rallies. I'm not going

2559
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:17,880
Speaker 3: to get into those ones as much because that can

2560
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:22,280
Speaker 3: be tricky because I've seen Zionists start fights like right

2561
02:22:22,360 --> 02:22:25,280
Speaker 3: next to me before and then claim a victimhood like no,

2562
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:29,400
Speaker 3: you're the one that started that. You swung a flagpole

2563
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:33,480
Speaker 3: at these people, and then they de escalated very quickly.

2564
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's incidents of the reverse happening. But

2565
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:40,280
Speaker 3: a majority of these assaults that have been reported are

2566
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:43,840
Speaker 3: very clear cut anti Semitic attacks targeted against Jewish people,

2567
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:46,480
Speaker 3: some of which are quite frightening to read about. There's

2568
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:49,880
Speaker 3: been a large number of a vehicle attacks. There was

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Speaker 3: one incident of someone breaking into a Jewish family's home

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Speaker 3: and assaulting people inside their own home. Then also there's

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Speaker 3: been a number of incidents of just assaulting people as

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Speaker 3: they leave synagogues. I've seen very off start fights with

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Speaker 3: people right next to that is That is kind of

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Speaker 3: what I had to say about this rise in anti Semitism,

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Speaker 3: because I saw this being a major problem that was

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Speaker 3: being not talked about as much as it should be.

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Speaker 3: Because this is it is higher than what we've seen

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Speaker 3: in years, not to even mention the rise in Islamophobia,

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Speaker 3: which is also a massive rise is in Islamophobia has

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Speaker 3: been happening the past four months, including resulting in murders.

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Speaker 3: Right just in the four weeks after October seventh, the

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Speaker 3: Council on American Islamic Relations logged an unprecedented number of

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Speaker 3: Islamophobic incidents. The research and advocacy director Corey Saylor said

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Speaker 3: in the statement, quote, both Islamophobia and anti Arab racism

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02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:50,920
Speaker 3: are out of control in ways we have not seen

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Speaker 3: in almost ten years. The one thousand, two hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty three complaints we have received over the past month

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Speaker 3: represent a two hundred and sixteen percent increase in requests

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Speaker 3: for help and reports of bias the islamophobic and anti

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Speaker 3: Palestinian rhetoric that have been used to justify both violence

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Speaker 3: against Palestinians and Gaza and silence supporters of Palestinian human

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Speaker 3: rights here in America have contributed to this unprecedented surge

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Speaker 3: in bigotry. It's just been bad the past four months. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just things have been bad. There's been murders, there's

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Speaker 3: been assaults. It's it's it's it's it's it's horrible. And

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Speaker 3: I think both of these things are things that need

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Speaker 3: to be need to be interrogated more, the islamophobic incidents

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Speaker 3: as well as anti Semitic incidents. So that's what I

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Speaker 3: wanted to to talk about as I have been slowly

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Speaker 3: slowly logging more synagogue attacks, more death threats, all of

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Speaker 3: these sorts of stuff. So yeah, that's kind of all

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Speaker 3: I have to say, uh today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's reel bad. I don't know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's that out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you care about this ruggle of deliberation

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Speaker 3: of Palestine and the people in Palestine, you need to

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02:25:05,320 --> 02:25:09,039
Speaker 3: if you see, if you see anything that plays into

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Speaker 3: these sorts of antisemitic tropes that we've talked about blaming

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Speaker 3: just random Jewish people for what's going on, Attacking random

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Speaker 3: Jewish owned businesses, without any ties to the IDF, without

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Speaker 3: any ties to the State of Israel, just all of

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Speaker 3: this stuff. It needs to be called out because this actually,

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Speaker 3: this sort of thing only strengthens the ideology of Zionism.

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Speaker 3: So if you call yourself an anti Zionist, it is

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Speaker 3: your imperative duty to be on the watch for this

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02:25:39,720 --> 02:25:41,720
Speaker 3: sort of thing and stop it if you see it.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of the thesis at the end of this.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, without further ado, I think we will

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Speaker 3: end this episode. Stay safe out there, everybody. Hopefully this

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Speaker 3: new year won't be complete chaos for all of us.

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