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Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the Fish Stripes podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is our twenty twenty one Marlins trade deadline breakdown.

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Speaker 1: I'm Eli Sussman, covering the my mad Marlins every single

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Speaker 1: day in our own way on Fish Stripes. This show

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Speaker 1: Market for Sports. It wouldn't be a full breakdown if

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Speaker 1: I did myself bringing in some of my Fish Stripe

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Speaker 1: staffers to co host this with me. It's Ethan Bodowski,

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Speaker 1: It's Lewis Addio Weiss. Both these guys at the ballpark

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Speaker 1: this past weekends and we have been as expected. You know,

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Speaker 1: this has been a long time coming with this deadline,

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Speaker 1: knowing the Marlins were for the most part going to

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Speaker 1: be in that traditional seller's position. So Ethan, I'll just

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Speaker 1: start with you in general, are you excited for this?

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Speaker 1: You know, five days to go, even knowing where the

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Speaker 1: Marlins are, even knowing where they stands one hundred games

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Speaker 1: into the season, is it easy for you to still

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Speaker 1: get pumped up about it even though in a kind

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Speaker 1: of like they're not going to repeat as postseason team

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Speaker 1: or any of that.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to get really locked in on

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Speaker 2: the games right now, when especially when there's so much

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Speaker 2: going on with you know, what's going on around the

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Speaker 2: team and also what's going on around the league. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you see, the trade deadline is kind of already starting,

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Speaker 2: and it promises to be a exciting deadline. We have

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Speaker 2: kind of been itching for one. I don't know, last

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Speaker 2: deadline wasn't too crazy, and I feel like some of

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Speaker 2: the other sports, you know, the deadlines have disappointed recently,

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Speaker 2: but this promises to be a really intense deadline, and

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Speaker 2: certainly for the Marlins, they should be one of the

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Speaker 2: bigger players at the deadline. And I see a big

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Speaker 2: of mixing, a bit of a mix of buying and

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Speaker 2: selling in their future, and there should be a lot

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Speaker 2: of selling and selling. Is is. You know, it's tough

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Speaker 2: to see guys go, but it's always fun because you

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Speaker 2: welcome new faces and you get to learn about new

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Speaker 2: guys coming into the system, in into the organization. So

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Speaker 2: there should be a lot of that going forward. I

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Speaker 2: know we're going to go through names that we think

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Speaker 2: should be will be traded, and there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: But I'm certainly excited to just kind of see how

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Speaker 2: it unfolds. And for this to all come to a conclusion. Really,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Marte saga and all this, I'm just

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Speaker 2: the Marlins approached the deadline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm more excited to see what we're

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Speaker 3: going to get in return for him. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: he's in an interesting situation because I think you can

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Speaker 3: argue he's probably having arguably one of, if not the

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Speaker 3: best season of his career.

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Speaker 4: But then you also have to factor in the fact that.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, whoever gets him, they're essentially getting a

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Speaker 3: like affect what it is we're going to get for him.

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Speaker 3: But given the way that he's played, I think he's

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Speaker 3: having the three hits, stealing two bases. You know, I

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Speaker 3: definitely think he's positioned Miami as a team to do

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Speaker 3: well and obviously a shame we couldn't resign him. But

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I think if we

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Speaker 3: the long term, there's nothing to really complain about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we wasted a lot of time. I won't say

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Speaker 1: talking about the idea of extending Marte. I mean, Ethan

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Speaker 1: month and a half ago, me and Lewis we spent

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Speaker 1: just to get everybody up to speed, it does according

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Speaker 1: to the reporting, we're gonna be referencing Craig Mish a

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Speaker 1: lot on this. Pot Imagine swings to Mish's hosts and

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Speaker 1: Miami Herald's contributor that it's his understanding that those extension

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the into the bullpen with I'm

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure of these guys are gonna get traded,

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Speaker 2: and it's Richard Blyer, Ross Dettweiler, and then probably Dylan Floro.

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Speaker 2: Everybody needs every team needs a lefty bullpen arm. That's

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Speaker 2: why you see Tony Watson get traded at every deadline

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Speaker 2: kind of think that, you know, Deatwiler and Blyer, especially

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Speaker 2: some you know, I'm not saying he's not going to

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Speaker 2: But I don't think there's any chance that a guy

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Speaker 2: I would just say those guys in the bullpen are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll start with Blyer because I know Lewis is

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Speaker 1: a big appreciator of the professional Richard Blier, appreciator of

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Speaker 1: Give the people a quick rundown of how good he's been,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you, all it really takes is

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Speaker 3: So first off, you know, you can throw it a

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Speaker 4: When you're not.

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Speaker 4: But it's just the way in which he goes about it.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, he's he attacked hitters, he doesn't you know,

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Speaker 3: essentially the perfect picture for what his skill set is

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Speaker 3: as far as velocity is concerned. Where he throws strikes

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Speaker 3: he's very quick. So I mean, like, whoever he gets him,

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Speaker 3: obviously they're going to be getting a great reliever.

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Speaker 5: Here comes a two two pitch and a swing and

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Speaker 2: What a job by Richard Blyer, Not a strikeout pitcher

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bonus of Blier is that he's controllable next

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Speaker 5: It'll only be.

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Speaker 1: Like a tiny pay raise next year. I remember being

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Speaker 1: really worried about him early in the year. He gave

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Speaker 1: I was really concerned about that. And since then, the

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Speaker 1: last really three full months, he's been awesome. He really

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Speaker 1: has been on the short list of He's been the

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Speaker 1: best reliever on the team over the last like three

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Speaker 5: So I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think, even deferring to Craigmish, he seemed pretty sure

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Speaker 1: certain that there's going to be so many seems interested

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Speaker 1: in him because of all the things you just said,

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Speaker 1: the change of pace from other like conventional late ending arms,

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Speaker 5: The affordability.

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Speaker 1: But Ethan, you did mention the other lefty in the

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Speaker 1: penn Ross Datweiler, who for most of this year has

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Speaker 1: self destructed. The last three weeks, he has allowed fifteen

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Speaker 1: was pretty good before that. Do you think he's like

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Speaker 1: any team actually wants him? That's kind of the only

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Speaker 1: it's even more obvious than Blair that they want to

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Speaker 1: do everything possible to move him.

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Speaker 5: But is he movable?

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Speaker 1: Is like, is there a bullpen out there on any

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Speaker 1: of these like contending teams that actually feels that there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's tough, Eli, because, like you said, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's just blown up completely recently, and I think part

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Speaker 2: then you know, everybody's like, where's dett Weiler, Where's dett Weiler,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, he threw fifty three pitches or

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Speaker 2: whatever the number was the other night. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: beginning of the games, and it just hasn't worked at all.

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Speaker 2: The experiment has filled completely. But I actually just looked

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Speaker 2: at July, so right before that weekend, his e ER

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Speaker 2: three runs in a month, which is just insane. Trade

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Speaker 2: two or three weeks, and it's concerning because you know,

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Speaker 2: the Marlins would like to get something for him. You

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Speaker 2: He's gone a one year contract. You know, he definitely

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Speaker 3: Again, like it's not like nobody's even discussed remotely as

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Speaker 2: And you want to talk about versatility of the bullpen,

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Speaker 2: I think that's the best way to approach relievers, because

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Speaker 3: I would think, have you guys given any credence to

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Speaker 3: He's obviously set up up his slider with this fastball

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Speaker 3: But you think there's like some smart phart office maybe

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Speaker 3: Ooker won't be the closer that could maybe utilize his

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Speaker 2: I actually thought about that today, Lois, when I'm watching him,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good transition just to go into

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Speaker 1: Marte because that's one of the big subjects that.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people are tuning in for.

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Speaker 1: Here are Marlins trade deadline breakdown Starling Marte. He is

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Speaker 1: He had that scary stretch I guess in the very

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Speaker 1: late June and early July where he was slumping pretty

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Speaker 1: badly and perfect timing for the Marlins. He's been exceptional

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Speaker 1: since the Altar break He's been one of the best

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Speaker 1: hitters in the league since the break, and he's looked

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Speaker 1: exactly like the best version of himself, the version you

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Speaker 1: really don't want to trade away Ethan. You kind of

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Speaker 1: tweeted out as much how much you're gonna miss singing

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Speaker 1: him play every day he is. It's painful. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no matter how prepared we are for this possibility, it

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Speaker 1: is hard to replace him.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 1: There are very few number of players that have the

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Speaker 1: variety of tools that he has and like the track

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Speaker 1: record that he has, but have reached his point where

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Speaker 1: it does seem pretty inevitable, not one hundred percent guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: pretty damn close. I mean, there's only two games between

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Speaker 1: now and the trade deadline for the Marlins because of

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Speaker 1: these off days, so I mean, knock on wood, there's

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Speaker 1: very little opportunity for him to get hurt and for

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Speaker 1: anything like that to happen. He is this year just

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Speaker 1: to lay out the basics, earning twelve and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars and by the time the deadline comes up,

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Speaker 1: I think four point three million dollars are still left,

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Speaker 1: so that's not nothing. There are certain teams that are

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Speaker 1: going to take that into account when they acquire him.

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Speaker 1: But by some standards, this has been his best offensive season.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is today were recording this on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: He sold two more bases twenty one steals in sixty

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Speaker 1: two games, and as a hitter, he got himself back

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Speaker 1: over three hundred today in addition to drawing walks at

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Speaker 1: the best rate of his career, in addition to hitting

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Speaker 1: seven home runs in against sixty games. That's nothing to

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Speaker 1: steeze that either. For a center fielder. He's been in

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing this season.

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Speaker 2: So fifty one ops, one thirty nine way runs, creative plus.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you know, when I said I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna miss him play, and that's not even the fan

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Speaker 2: in me speaking, that's just the baseball fan, the reporter

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Speaker 2: in me speaking, where you know, every time I get

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Speaker 2: to go to the ballpark and watch the Marlins and

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Speaker 2: whether they're playing, you know, I get to watch Darling

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Speaker 2: Marte do his thing, and I get to watch him

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Speaker 2: every night because I'm watching these games every night covering

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Speaker 2: the team, and you know, it's just every night he

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Speaker 2: does something that is you can appreciate from a baseball perspective,

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Speaker 2: whether it's he just always seems to move the runner over,

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Speaker 2: get the base, get the timely base hit drive, the

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Speaker 2: guy in makes the great catch and left center field

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Speaker 2: last night. You know, it's just yeah, I'm gonna miss

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Speaker 2: watching him play baseball every day. And hopefully he goes

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Speaker 2: to a team that I enjoy watching and I can

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Speaker 2: watch him some more.

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Speaker 3: Third best team average, Marte hits one a mile deep

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Speaker 3: blift center field.

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Speaker 1: Good Bye, three run over for still Marte the best estimate,

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Speaker 1: Like some of the teams that he's been connected to

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Speaker 1: so far, nothing super duper strong. It does not seem

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Speaker 1: It seems like this is just gonna go down to

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Speaker 1: the wire, that they're gonna wait until deadline day to

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Speaker 1: actually pull the trigger on something to actually like collect

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Speaker 1: to actually get us some specific names about who the

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Speaker 1: Marlins are actually can get back and return and instead

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Speaker 1: of just their wish list. The teams have been connected

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Speaker 1: to so far, off the top of my head, the Giants,

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Speaker 1: the Astros, the Yankees, the Red Sox.

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Speaker 5: And the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Those are the five that have been coming up in

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Speaker 1: some order from both the national guys from Craig Mish

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Speaker 1: just from speculation that those are teams that if you

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Speaker 1: go through all them. The Phillies and the Yankees are

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Speaker 1: kind of in an interesting spot where are we even

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Speaker 1: sure they're that good? I'm even sure that Marte really

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Speaker 1: does much for them in terms of actually put them

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Speaker 1: in the championship conversation with the Giants, with the Astros

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Speaker 1: and with the Red Sox, they are a tier above

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Speaker 1: that where, yeah, having that extra piece is very important

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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 5: All these teams being thrown out. Let's see that.

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Speaker 1: I just went through, Yeah, all them very big budget

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Speaker 1: teams as well. So when you're talking about that salary

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Speaker 1: factor going on with Marte, I don't think the only

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Speaker 1: one that might like blink when it comes to that

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Speaker 1: is the Yankees, just because they are right up against

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Speaker 1: the luxury tax threshold and their owners, despite being ridiculously wealthy,

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Speaker 1: are cheap when it comes to certain things like that.

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Speaker 1: So that'll be an interesting fit. Lewis, you threw out

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Speaker 1: the idea of like packaging with a reliever. I think

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Speaker 1: that's been kind of a common thought that that's something

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Speaker 1: that would make sense just because you look at the

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Speaker 1: recent track record of these big names that are pending

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Speaker 1: free agents that are like exclusively rentals and no matter

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Speaker 1: if you're Manny Machado, if you're JD. Martinez, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be like even Justin Verlander was in that

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Speaker 1: position as well. Like these days, no matter what your

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Speaker 1: name is and what your track record is, if you're

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Speaker 1: like a pending free agent, there is this ceiling on

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Speaker 1: what teams are.

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Speaker 5: Going to give up in order to bring you in.

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Speaker 1: You have to go back all the way five years

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Speaker 1: to a role as Chapman the last time that somebody

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Speaker 1: really got like a slam dunk top prospects in return

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Speaker 1: for one of these So I guess that's something you

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Speaker 1: have in mind right when you talk about bundling him

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Speaker 1: with one of these relievers, to like up that total

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Speaker 1: value a little bit more and to raise the possibilities

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Speaker 1: of the young talent that you could get in return.

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Speaker 3: And then well that and then with marche though I

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Speaker 3: think he is a little bit different than Obviously, that's

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Speaker 3: a factor that's going to exist in some form or fashion,

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Speaker 3: given that you know, most teams are going to say, like,

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Speaker 3: why are we going to give up an eventual six

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Speaker 3: years of a good, everyday major league player for two

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Speaker 3: months of a great player who may not be back

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Speaker 3: with us. But when you look at like the center

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Speaker 3: field market, the part of me genuinely thinks that whoever

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Speaker 3: trades for Marte is going to have every intention of

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Speaker 3: wanting to resign him. And I think just when you

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Speaker 3: think about the Giants, they seem to make the most

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Speaker 3: sense because if you really look who's been patrolling center

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Speaker 3: field for them this year, it's been a combination of

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Speaker 3: like Mauricio Dubone who's mostly a utility infielder, Austin Slater,

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Speaker 3: good defender, but the bat hasn't really showed much, Mike Takman,

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Speaker 3: who just can't seem to stay healthy. And when you

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Speaker 3: look at the center field free agent market, and I

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Speaker 3: was reading sport Track today and it's, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: some of these names are guys who are still technically

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Speaker 3: active players, but they're not players that are going to

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Speaker 3: give you anything as far as you know, decent production goes.

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Speaker 3: It's guys like Paul Orlando, Billy Hamilton. You know, Ian

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Speaker 3: Desmond's five year contract with the Rockies is supposed to expire,

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Speaker 3: but we know he's more than likely going to retire

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Speaker 3: because there's absolutely nothing left in that bat, nor has

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Speaker 3: there really ever been anything there defensively, and Marte is

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Speaker 3: just going to be a guy where they're going to

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Speaker 3: be like, you know, he's the best possible option we

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Speaker 3: have if we don't really have any true options right

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Speaker 3: now in center field. You know, I want to trade

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Speaker 3: for this guy, but I also want to make sure

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Speaker 3: that we make every effort possible to resign them. And

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Speaker 3: in the case that, in the context of the free

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Speaker 3: agent market for that position is just so thin, he

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Speaker 3: may get four or five years from another team that

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Speaker 3: are willing to overpay for two or three years of

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Speaker 3: decent production. When you know, the back end of that

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Speaker 3: is just going to look like, you know, a brown banana.

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Speaker 3: It's just not going to look the way that we

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Speaker 3: initially envisioned it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see what ends up happening, you know, Lewis,

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Speaker 2: like you talked about on the free agent market, because

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Speaker 2: Greig Mish has said that, you know, he believes that

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Speaker 2: Marte is going to get four years and upwards of

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Speaker 2: sixty sixty five million dollars. And I was looking at

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Speaker 2: it recently and there were like five guys that got

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Speaker 2: four year deals last year, you know, four plus year

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Speaker 2: deals in the free agent market, and none of them

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Speaker 2: have really been like the greatest contracts in the world.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm looking at it and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 2: with the way free agency has happened recently and with

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Speaker 2: a you know, possible lockout looming, I'm looking at it

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know that this guy is

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Speaker 2: gonna get four years, but he's definitely gonna get more

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Speaker 2: money than the Marlins would have offered him, you know,

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Speaker 2: because they were obviously, I believe, gonna try and go

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Speaker 2: for the hometown discount when trying to get him an extension.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think a great idea, you know, to

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Speaker 2: to up his value is attach a guy like Dylan

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Speaker 2: Floro to him. You know, every team you look at,

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Speaker 2: uh needs bullpen help. You know, the Giants are just

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Speaker 2: the one that I've thought about the most because it's

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Speaker 2: the one that Craig said, you know that that's the

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Speaker 2: team he's heard, and they're in the top ten and

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Speaker 2: blown saves and we know that. You know, if the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox are in it, they need help. If the

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Speaker 2: Phillies are in it, they always need bullpen help. You know, Yankees, Astros,

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Speaker 2: any of these teams can use bullpen and help. And

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Speaker 2: any of these teams can use a guy like Dying Flora.

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, if you want to get

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Speaker 2: one of those, you know, big name prospects, obviously a

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Speaker 2: guy like Hilleo Oramos has been floated or you know,

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Speaker 2: they want to go out and get a catcher. So

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Speaker 2: Joey Bart is the name that's been floated and apparently

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Speaker 2: he's out there. You know, the Giants would be opened

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Speaker 2: in trading him. So that makes perfect sense for the

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Speaker 2: Marlins to try and go get Joey Bart while also

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Speaker 2: you know, capitalizing on Starling Marte. But they're not gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to get Ramos. They're not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to get Bart for just Starling Martell alone. They're

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Speaker 2: going to have to attach, you know, a bullpen arm.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I would even attach you know, one

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Speaker 2: of these, maybe a pitching prospect or maybe a lower

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Speaker 2: level hitting prospect. You know a guy, guy that I've

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Speaker 2: floated around in trade proposals is Braxton Garrett. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Marlins have seemingly have arms that have passed him

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Speaker 2: by in their in their system. You know, Bras, we've

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Speaker 2: seen him at the big league level. He had a

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Speaker 2: great start last night. You know, I'm not sold completely

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Speaker 2: on him at the big league level, and I think

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Speaker 2: that there's still value for a team that thinks that

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Speaker 2: they can get the most out of him. And so

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Speaker 2: he's a guy you know, I heard earlier in the year,

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Speaker 2: I remember reading miss saying that he's a guy that

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Speaker 2: the Marlins, you know, would float around in trade proposals.

650
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: So I think, a you know, the Marlins got to

651
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: capitalize on Martine in any way they can, and you know,

652
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be able to get what they should

653
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 2: for him just because of the way the market has

654
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: worked recently. You know, he's a guy with an eight

655
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: to fifty ops and one hundred and thirty something way

656
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: to runs create plus you know, at thirty two years

657
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: old center fielder. Obviously it's a rental, but maybe a

658
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: team feels like they can get it, you know, get

659
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: a good start on extending him, or they have a

660
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: good chance at extending him. You know, you should be

661
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: able to get a haul for that guy. But it

662
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: just doesn't happen that way in baseball anymore. And so

663
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that, you know, especially when you're talking

664
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: about San Francisco and the way they're bullpen you know,

665
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: they just don't have that much talent out there. I

666
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: think that, you know, that could be a very promising

667
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: proposal for both teams because they desperately need centerfield help

668
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: and the Marlins, you know, they have things that would

669
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: interest the Marlins, impact prospect bats that are fairly close

670
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: to the major league level.

671
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: So so is that you're your prediction.

672
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I love to do predictions, so with this throughout, the

673
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: teams that he's most connected to could be a mystery teams.

674
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: So I'll give you those are your choices.

675
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: One of those five teams Giants, Red Sox, Yankees, Astros,

676
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Phillies or mystery team for Starling Marte.

677
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: Are you gonna go with the Giants.

678
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: I think that's the I think that's the best suitor

679
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: for you know, I think both teams can make a

680
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: trade that you know, both teams would be interested in.

681
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: And also, you know, miss is really good at this stuff,

682
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: and that's the team that he's heard. You know, he's

683
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: closer to the Marlins than I think a lot of

684
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: some you know, some of the national reports might be obviously,

685
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, some of the national reporters might be hearing

686
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: from the Philly side from this side from the other side,

687
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: but it seems like the Marlins and the Giants have

688
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: mutual interest in a deal here. And yeah, I'm I'm

689
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and say that. I think as of now,

690
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, things can heat up. We could get off

691
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: the podcast and all of a sudden things are really

692
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: heating up with Houston or something. But I think as

693
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: of now, the destination that makes the most sense is

694
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: San Francisco.

695
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: It's funny though, I mean, we talk obviously San.

696
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: Francisco is not in our division that play on another coast,

697
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: But I was looking at alternative scenarios beyond San Francisco,

698
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: which you know, I think is further crystallizing as we speak,

699
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: because there's just things that they have and there's things

700
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: that we have that are attractive on both sides. You know,

701
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 3: I think at Houston and I think Miles Straw has

702
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: done an adequate job there. He's rocking the three forty

703
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: on base. You know, he's playing good defense, and for

704
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: what they have right now with guys like you know

705
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: all two vate hitting the way that he has Korea

706
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: hitting when he has obviously creates struggled a little bit lately.

707
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: You know, you got Bragmann coming back. Their offense is

708
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: they're on pace to be one of the greatest offenses

709
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: of all time. You know, trash can or not. But

710
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: then you also have you know, I look at the

711
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: Phillies and I look at their production at the centerfield position,

712
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: and you know, they try to they try to do

713
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: out there. Again for some reason, Roman Quintill has a

714
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: major league job. I believe they're twenty fourth and wait

715
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: to run treated plus at that position, which again it's

716
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: not good. It's you know, you're in the bottom six

717
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: or seven of major league teams. Marte would be an

718
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: upgrade there. But the question is, you know, with Dave

719
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: Dobrowski there who in a sense you know Dave Dombrowski

720
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: as we know it's his first deadline with the Phillies.

721
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: We know because he was at one point the GM

722
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: for the Marlins. We know through his years of Detroit,

723
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Montreal in Boston that he's not afraid to overhaul the

724
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: farm system if he thinks he can get a piece

725
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: that he knows is going to help us win. The

726
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: question is, you know, I don't know how much each

727
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: of us have perused the Phillies. You know, top prospect

728
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: rankings or are we are we going to get somebody

729
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: like a prospect and say Spencer Howard in return? Is

730
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: making Moniac going to be a name that's thrown in there,

731
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: you know, like not a name at this point that

732
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: I think merits any like really real excitement. He was

733
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: a former number and overall pick in twenty seventeen or

734
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, but you know, with what he's done on

735
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: the minor league level and his cup of coffee the

736
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: major leagues, it's nothing impressive. But I still think that

737
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: they're definitely a team who you know, could benefit from

738
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: market services. And again we let's not forget the Marlins

739
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: have traded within the division before. We obviously acquire on

740
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: more font If from the Braze when we treaded Dan Augla.

741
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: You know we're not strangers to this. Josh Willingham, I

742
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: believe this.

743
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and just a little bit more recent real

744
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: Muto to the Phillies two and a half years ago.

745
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: So I'll jump in because that's exactly where I was

746
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: going to go with it was the Phillies.

747
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 5: That's going to be my prediction.

748
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: I would boil down to the Phillies or the Giants.

749
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: But the Dombrowski factor is a huge one. The fact

750
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: that he has for like fifteen years, especially since we

751
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: going back to the start of the Detroit tenure, that

752
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: he's been so aggressive at the deadline, unafraid to trade

753
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: away from prospect depth, like kind of unconcerned about how

754
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: his prospect his farm system is ranked. He does not

755
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: mind going after these type of rentals despite where they are,

756
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: like hovering around the five hundred. Marcus had been all

757
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: year at the top of their rotation is just so good,

758
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: and the individual star power that they have at like

759
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: half of their positions on the position player side is

760
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: so strong that I can understand where they see a

761
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: path to like sneaking ahead of the Mets winning the division.

762
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: As you laid out, their center field has been pretty

763
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: messy in terms of like having the budget to acquire Marte.

764
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem. I did do a

765
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: little due diligence on like who would match up with

766
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: them in a Phillies trade, and I think probably a

767
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: guy that would be in the middle of that is

768
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Bryson Stott, who was their first round pick in twenty nineteen.

769
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: He's a middle infielder this year at High A, he

770
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: was opsing A thousands, he got promoted to Double A,

771
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and since then he's been pretty clearly above league average

772
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: at Double A as well, even being kind of young

773
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: for that level. You know, just to compare, that's the

774
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: same draft as JJ Blodey, and he's a guy that

775
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: was drafted ten picks later than Bludey, and to this

776
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: point it has definitely outperformed him at a more up

777
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the middle position. So with him, I think he's a

778
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: guy that makes a lot of sense as a centerpiece.

779
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: With that, although there's so many like scenarios for how

780
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: this could go down. As I said, I boided down

781
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: to the Phillies and the Giants. It's the Giants When

782
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I saw miss kind of link them in that article,

783
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I think that info came from the Marl inside saying,

784
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, we would really love some of these giants

785
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: hitting prospects Hilio Ramos or whether it's Joey Bart, etc.

786
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: To me, I think that gap is kind of too

787
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: big between Marte's value and their value that even if

788
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: you package things together, I don't think that's working out.

789
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: But I think they understand that the Giants really like

790
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Marte if he goes to the Giants. I think there's

791
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: a really decent chance it's a three team trade that

792
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: he goes to the Giants, the Marlins get prospects that

793
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: are realistic for rental from another team that there's another

794
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: team that maybe they match up better with. Who that

795
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: team could be, It could be anybody really that'd be

796
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: willing to give up a couple key prospects in return.

797
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: So I would not be surprised by the Giants. I

798
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: would lean towards the Phillies. And we know that you

799
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: know from that history that they're not afraid to do

800
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: business inside the division.

801
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: I think when they traded JT, they were just trying

802
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: to get the best deal for JT because they weren't

803
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: in a position where they were like, Okay, you know,

804
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna compete, and maybe they're obviously not going to

805
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: compete this year, but you don't really want to open

806
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: the door for Starling Marte on the Phillies for the

807
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: next four years, you know. And so I kind of

808
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: think the Marlins are looking at this in a different

809
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: perspective where they're not really they might not be as

810
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: content with trading in the division as they were when

811
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: they traded jj U Muto. Maybe they think, okay, we'll

812
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: trade them, he'll go there, and you know he'll go

813
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: on his merry way. But I just think, you know,

814
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: I think the Marlins will be a little more cautious

815
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: about it this time, and I think I don't know,

816
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: you know, the Phillies are absolutely gonna be aggressive, you know,

817
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: and they are only four games out. We know this

818
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: division has been tight. We know they struggled and they

819
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: have being money locked up in some of their big names,

820
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, Harper and Real, Muto and Wheelers. So they're

821
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: gonna have to go for it pretty much every year.

822
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: You know, they don't have excuses to not go for it,

823
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: and they're right there, so they'll definitely go for it.

824
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't surprise me if they acquired Starling Martable.

825
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: Even as like somebody who doesn't actively I mean, you know,

826
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: we're baseball fans, so regardless of our our kinship to

827
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: which team that we follow on a daily basis, so

828
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: we're you know, we all of us have somewhat of

829
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: at least a rudimentary knowledge of what each team is

830
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: doing and what their plan is going forward. You know,

831
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: I think marte in the short term would definitely be

832
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: an upgrade, but in the long term you may handicap

833
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: them because if you're committing more dollars when to another

834
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 3: to another position player in who's you know, Bryce Harper

835
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: is only twenty eight.

836
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 4: But when you you know, if you get.

837
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 3: More money to Marte, you commit fifty sixty million dollars

838
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: to Marte, and guys like Aaron Nola are nearing free.

839
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: Obviously he's on a very team friendly deal now. And

840
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: you know, say they get some pitching in a couple

841
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: of years, or they come up with some relievers that

842
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: wind up, you know, being effective for them, obviously, two

843
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: things that have been quite a struggle for them. It's

844
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: going to kind of be hard for them to want

845
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: to do anything with that moving forward. As far as

846
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: extending those guys is concerned because you have money tied

847
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 3: up in Marte. But again too, like you know, not

848
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: all teams look at this as you know, like I'm

849
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: sure when the Dodgers acquired many Manhatta, there wasn't really

850
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: any any real inclination that they wanted to keep it.

851
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: And beyond that year, they were trying to go back

852
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: to a World Series after losing a heartbreaker in twenty

853
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: seventeen to Houston, and Machada was a good resource to

854
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 3: help them do that. That being said, you know, i'd

855
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: be I'd have some trepidation if over the Phillies about

856
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: extending Marte long term, but in the short term, I

857
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: think it makes sense. It's really it all just comes

858
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: We're not in the heads of Dombrowski and everybody in

859
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: that front office, so you know, who's to say what

860
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: exactly they're thinking if they're pondering that trade any further

861
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: than we're talking about right now.

862
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: So we've covered almost all the relievers, and we've covered Martie.

863
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Is there anybody else in that veteran bucket? I think

864
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: we will cover most of them, but pending free agents

865
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: or guys that are like a year away that you

866
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: think has a pretty good shot at getting traded at

867
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: the deadlines. So at this point, it's mostly all the

868
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: position players, right, everybody from Sandy Leone and Joe Panic

869
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: to Miguil Rohuss and haysusz Aguilar and Adam Duvalt as well.

870
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: Is there anybody from that handful.

871
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: That, yeah, that's that's the name I think is most likely,

872
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, beyond Starling, Marty and the bullpen pieces to

873
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: get traded is Adam Duvall. He would make a team

874
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: really happy with just the way he can drive the

875
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: ball to the ballpark. You know, if a team needs

876
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: a power surgeon there lineup or a run producer. You know,

877
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: he's obviously not going to hit for very high average,

878
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: get on base a ton, but he's going to hit

879
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: the ball out of the ballpark. And you know, if

880
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: you're a team that in the last sixty games or so,

881
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: you need a guy that's going to give you anywhere

882
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: from ten to fifteen if he gets really hot, you know,

883
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: ten home runs to fifteen home runs, and you want

884
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: to you think that'll get you over the line into

885
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs. And then in the playoffs, you know you

886
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: need that big bopper in the lineup and a guy

887
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: that could get hot and have a crazy playoff run

888
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: like Adam Duvall. That would make sense for a lot

889
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: of teams, I think, and I think they can get

890
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: pretty good value for him. You know, he has that

891
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: mutual option, so it might be tough for a team

892
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: to keep him around next year, but miss has kind

893
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: of speculated on what they'll do. It's an interesting situation

894
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: because he could be a pretty big part of their

895
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: lineup next year if they want to keep him around,

896
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: if they you know, feel confident that the mutual option

897
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: would be agreed to, and he could also you know,

898
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: be a veteran that you can get a lot of

899
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: assets for it the deadline, or you know, you can

900
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: not trade him, and he could leave in free and

901
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: go to free agency and sign somewhere else. So it's

902
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: a very interesting situation about what to do with Duvall.

903
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: But I think where the Marlins are at, you feel

904
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: pretty confident, you know, if you feel pretty confident in

905
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: the outfield depth that you have or your ability to

906
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: go out and get outfield depth, I think that moving

907
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: on from Duvall is a is an option that makes sense.

908
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: For a team like Oakland twenty to twenty five home

909
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: runs and Goldbloff caliber corner outfield defense where you can

910
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: move Mark Cannon to left field, and you can keep

911
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: obviously Avramond Loreano who's a star in the center field,

912
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: and you can throw a guy like Duval out there

913
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: a different look in that lineup that features you know,

914
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: semi patient hitters like Matt Olsen and Canna and Lariano

915
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: and all those guys.

916
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: That's a team that can possibly use them.

917
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: We know they have a wealth of pitching in the

918
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: way that they can, you know, cycle through guys, and

919
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: you know they're a team that is relatively conservative when

920
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: it comes to giving money to free agents, but for rentals,

921
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: I don't think they have a problem doing that. It

922
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: would definitely help offset some of this subpar offense. They've

923
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: gotten that shortstop, you know, with Elvis Andrews. And if

924
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: we want to talk about another guy that's actually a

925
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: nice little facilitator for this next point, I want to

926
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: talk about Miguel Rojas. I was thinking about teams today

927
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: that could use a shortstop, and some of the contenders

928
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: they really have that position locked down. But Oakland is

929
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: a team that, you know, maybe they don't pick up

930
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: rojas Is five and a half million dollar option for

931
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: next season, But when you look at what Elvis Andrews

932
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: is making, and then you consider the fact that you know,

933
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: shortstops that in Oakland this season have a sixty eight

934
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: way to runs created plus or I'm sorry, a fifty

935
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: heads runs created plus, which is twenty.

936
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: Ninth in the majors.

937
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: And Alvis Andrews is thirty two percent below the league

938
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: average offensively, with a two thirty four batting average two

939
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: seventy six on base Migau Rojas presents an obvious upgrade.

940
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: He's a slightly above average offensive player. The defense is doing,

941
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: you know, looks like it continues to be great as

942
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: it's been for the majority of his couriers, plus four

943
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: defensive run save. I think, I mean, we depends on

944
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: you really don't know what you're gonna get for trading

945
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: a guy, you know, like Rojas, who is thirty one,

946
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: thirty two years old, so you know, once you get

947
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: beyond thirty, it's almost like your damage goods. But he

948
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: presents an upgrade for a team like Oakland. He could

949
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: make sense as a rental for a team like the

950
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: Baltimore Orioles. I know, obviously they're not going to compete

951
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: this year, but if you look at Freddy Galvis, he's

952
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 3: a below average offensive player, the defense has never been great.

953
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: He's making a million and a half dollars and I

954
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: don't know if they want to commit four million dollars

955
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: additional money to a guy that's going to be above

956
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: average and maybe at another win or two for them

957
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: than Galvis would.

958
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: But it's a slight upgrade.

959
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I was what and the Marlin signed Corey

960
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 3: Dickerson in twenty nineteen in the offseason, Joel Sherman kind

961
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: of said, like, even if you don't make the playoffs,

962
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 3: signing this guy if you want to get better, get better.

963
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: And Dickerson made us marginally better last year, even if

964
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: he wasn't a great offensive contributor, even if the defense

965
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: wasn't there. It's just kind of like a clubhouse thing,

966
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: which goes beyond the numbers. And we can talk about

967
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: that another day. But obviously Rojas brings that intangible of

968
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: being a natural leader, a guy that can get the

969
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: attention of the clubhouse, who's been there before. He's played

970
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: in California before, obviously came up with the Dodgers. I

971
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: think he makes sense in Oakland. You know, no team

972
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: would be too upset with him. The Yankees could possibly

973
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: trade for him, because really, labor Torus hasn't hit. You

974
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: can move him the second move him made first, we

975
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: don't know when Luke Boyd's going to be back, So again,

976
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: it's all about just looking at scenarios in which guys

977
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: can fit into another team's Well, then you know the

978
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 3: Yankees wouldn't have a problem paying five and a half

979
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: a million for a guy like mcguill Rojas, who you

980
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: know can't He's shown that he is a solid player

981
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: if he's a seven to fifty ops guy in New York,

982
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: better than what we've been seeing with Labish for as

983
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: he makes all the sense of the world there, and

984
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: you translate a one h three way to run created

985
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: plus in Miami to New York, and you're looking at

986
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: a guy that could be like a dark horse Silver

987
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: Sugar candidate. I'm not saying he's gonna win one, and

988
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: I'd probably get a tattoohim in Gil Rojas on one

989
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: of my body parts if that actually happened. But he

990
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: makes sense to a lot of places, and I don't

991
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: think it's like the most far fetched thing in the

992
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: world to see him going to southern California, going to

993
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: New York and shave in the facial air and you know,

994
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: help with the Yankees.

995
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rojas thing is fascinating because he could be

996
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: valuable in so many places. But to the Marlins, what

997
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: he to me, at least, what he brings and how

998
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: valuable he is to this team is more valuable than

999
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: probably anything they could get in return for Miguil Rojas.

1000
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: And you kind of have to weigh those things against

1001
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: each other, you know, when you look at it. He's

1002
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: obviously the captain of the team. He's a you know,

1003
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: above average offensive player. He's a you know, great defensive player,

1004
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: gold glove candid, a short stay shortstop in the National League.

1005
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, when you talk about Oakland, like they just

1006
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: screwed up so bad not starting signing Marcus Semi, I

1007
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: mean that was right there in front of them, and

1008
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: they just absolutely blew that completely. But I just think

1009
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: with the Marlins, and you know, Misch has said that

1010
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: he thinks that Rojas is here to stay, and I

1011
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: think that's the best for him, that's the best for

1012
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: the team as well. But it is fascinating where if

1013
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: you get the right call for Miguel Rojas, and you know,

1014
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: he kind of said, you know, if the true team

1015
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: thinks that the best thing for them to do is

1016
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: trade me, then trade me. And that's how much he

1017
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: loves the Miami Marlins. And I wouldn't rule out, you know,

1018
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: and there all this Chapman situation with him, I definitely

1019
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: would rule it out with Marte. But you know, with

1020
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: how much he loves this organization, you know, if the Marlins,

1021
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: you know, if they trade him and and the team

1022
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: that you know he goes to doesn't want to bring

1023
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: him back, I would not be surprised, you know, if

1024
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: the Marlins give him a call and he's right back

1025
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: in Miami next year. But I don't personally see Rojas

1026
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: getting traded. I mean, that's just you know, based off

1027
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: I never really saw it in the first place. You know,

1028
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: when we talked to him a little while. I think

1029
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: it was after the Corey Dickerson trade. You know, miss

1030
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Astor straight up, do you see me, you know, Rojas

1031
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: on the team next year? And she said yes. Now

1032
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Mish is reporting, you know, they can't really get a

1033
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: lot for Rojas. They can't really get a lot for Aguilar.

1034
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: So those two look like the veterans that are gonna stay.

1035
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: But I mean, and you know, like I said, you know,

1036
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: anybody on this team except maybe Jazz, Trevor, Sandy, Edward

1037
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: Cabrera maybe and and you know, you want to talk

1038
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: about I want to talk about one of the two

1039
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: of the arms. You know, I think everybody could be

1040
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: up for sale at the right price and should be,

1041
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: because you know, the Marlin's got to get better for

1042
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I think that a lot of fans

1043
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: are gonna want to see and at least eighty win

1044
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: eighty five win team in twenty twenty two. Maybe not

1045
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: a playoff team, but they're gonna have to start winning

1046
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: ball games. And in order to do that, you know,

1047
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: you got to give value to get value. And so

1048
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: I think that you know, at that point, if you

1049
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: see a trade that you think makes you better in

1050
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, even if it's giving up a guy

1051
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: that you might not want to give up right now,

1052
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: then you know, if it does it at the right price,

1053
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: then I think anybody should be for sale.

1054
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention one more thing on Rojas. I

1055
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: don't think people are aware of because you did mention

1056
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: his overall stats offensively being like above league gaverage and

1057
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: how that's pretty impressive, But do people realize that he

1058
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: is like the best hitter against left handed pitching in

1059
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: the majors over the last two years, like the best

1060
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: He is hitting like three ninety against lefties since the

1061
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: start of twenty twenty. He's opsing over our thousands like you,

1062
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: I think the WRC plus is like one eighty or

1063
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: something like that. He has more walks and strikeouts. So

1064
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about why other teams would be interested

1065
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: in him, I don't think it's so much about the

1066
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: overall numbers. I'd say that just like any team because

1067
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: of his versatility and because of those numbers against lefties,

1068
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: that like any team could have him in the lineup

1069
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: as a fit for him because of that versatility and

1070
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: of how he does in those particular matchups.

1071
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 5: Is he going to continue hitting.

1072
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: At that level against lefties. No, but the fact that

1073
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: he's done it now back to back seasons, like it

1074
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: gives you some evidence to believe that he is, for

1075
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, just sing the ball great against them, and

1076
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: that especially relative to other middle infielders. You know, when

1077
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: the expectations offensively are a little lower than other positions,

1078
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: that he's going to help you you win no matter what.

1079
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: From here, we're gonna flip the script. We're gonna look

1080
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: at We're going to follow up on what Craig Mish

1081
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: reported on swings and misses.

1082
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: I have a quote for you.

1083
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: I have it all quoted out just so that there's

1084
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: no misunderstanding, because I feel like there has been some

1085
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: misunderstanding about.

1086
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: What he said. He said, quote, a big move is coming.

1087
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: They are trying to upgrade that center field position for

1088
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: next year. They have recognized that they need a new catcher.

1089
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 5: For next year.

1090
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: Whatever is required to fill those positions next week or

1091
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: even in the winter has got to be done. So

1092
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: he did not commit that they're going to make this

1093
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: big move at the deadline.

1094
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: I think is that expectations amassing the fact that he

1095
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: said or in the winter, because I think everybody is

1096
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: expecting to move right now, and you know, we could

1097
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: end up being disappointed.

1098
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: But that's funny. Yeah, there must be those conversations going

1099
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: on that they have those big targets week against some

1100
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: of those targets right now about those controllable players in

1101
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: center field and that catcher that they could be trying

1102
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: to acquire right now. There's no guarantee it's going to

1103
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: come together this week because when you acquire a controllable

1104
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: up the middle young player on an affordable deal, those

1105
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: guys cost a ton of prospect capital to acquire, and

1106
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to hammer out those type of deals in

1107
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: just a matter of days because we're kind of running

1108
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: out of time. Even though this stuff can move very

1109
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: quickly towards the end, I don't think a team that's

1110
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: on the other side of that deal and giving up,

1111
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, potential up the middle of cornerstone player is

1112
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: going to rush into a deal when there's no urgency

1113
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: to do so.

1114
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 5: So with that, there are some names. I guess we'll

1115
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 5: start with center field.

1116
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: To me, it's a really short list of who these

1117
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: guys are that could fit that bolt, that could be

1118
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: a successor to Starling Marte in center field. To you,

1119
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: who are those names Ethan that come to minds to

1120
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: you that could make sense, that could be these targets

1121
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: that the Marlins are trying to get to fill that

1122
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: void of the rest of this year or especially for

1123
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

1124
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: I have four names, so two of them were the

1125
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: names that Craig said Byron Boxon and Cedric Mullets Cedric Mullens.

1126
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: The third one is Brian Reynolds I think Jeremy said

1127
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: it on the podcast. And then the fourth one is

1128
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: could Tell Marte and that's a player I absolutely love

1129
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: dork tell more today, position versatility. You know, he could

1130
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: play second base. He can play center, I think even

1131
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: played some shortstop. You know, this is a guy that

1132
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: can play all over the diamond and he's been a

1133
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: great hitter for the Diamondbacks. And the Diamondbacks are in

1134
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: desperation mode. You know, they kind of we're building this

1135
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: great farm and then all of a sudden it kind

1136
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: of went away. And you know, I and we all

1137
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: know where they're they're at during the seller and they're

1138
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: one of the worst teams we've seen recently, and I

1139
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: just think they could be and just you know, give

1140
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: everything away mode. And we've seen the Marlins and Diamondbacks

1141
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: make two trades at the last two deadlines, you know,

1142
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: Jazz obviously and then they obviously got Marte from them

1143
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: last year. So I would love the Ketel Marty acquisition.

1144
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: You know, you look at the at Brian Reynolds and

1145
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: he's performing a little better than Adam Fraser. But you know,

1146
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: the Pirates just took a return that people might not

1147
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: think is the greatest return for Adam Fraser. And so

1148
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look at Brian Reynolds, what

1149
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: can we you know, what would we have to give

1150
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: up with Brian Reynolds? And you know, the fact of

1151
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: the matter is that, you know, the Marlins need to

1152
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: make an impact acquisition. They need to make an impact

1153
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: acquisition at center field, at catcher, whatever the case may be.

1154
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: They need to make an, you know, an impact acquisition.

1155
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: And I think that Brian Reynolds is as good as

1156
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: it gets when it comes to impact acquisitions. You know,

1157
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: they have Stallings as well. You know, I'm not saying

1158
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: that a trade to get both of those guys would

1159
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: be crazy, but you know, I think that you're talking about,

1160
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: you know, two really good players that you could get

1161
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh. Talk to them about guys and you know,

1162
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: Brian Reynolds. I mean, look, we know about the pitching

1163
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: surplus in the Marlins organization and you would absolutely have

1164
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: to tap into that to get a guy like Brian Reynolds.

1165
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: And Jake Eater is a name I would throw, you know,

1166
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: I would even be willing to throw Max Meyer. You know,

1167
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he's uncouchable. I think if you want

1168
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: to talk about an untouchable pitching prospect, I would go

1169
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: with Edward Cabrera, you know, but Eater, certainly, I think,

1170
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: you know, as great as he's been, I would kind

1171
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: of lean towards trading him over trading Meyer, and I

1172
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: think that he is a guy that could headline. You know,

1173
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: he's been maybe the best pitcher in minor league baseball

1174
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: this year. He's a guy that could absolutely headline a package.

1175
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: And then you'd also have to give up, you know,

1176
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: some guys maybe like a cam Meiser or one of

1177
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: these athletic, projectable outfielders that you have. Maybe the Pirates

1178
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: feel like they can get them hitting a little more.

1179
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: But man, you know, when when Craig says something like that,

1180
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: it gets the juices flow and it gets really excited.

1181
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: And it's good to see that the Marlins recognize the

1182
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: problems that they have. They're ready to go out and

1183
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: address them. You know, maybe you know, Mitch Garver is

1184
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: a catcher name that could be out there. You know,

1185
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Joey Bart obviously, if you want to talk about you know,

1186
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: we talked earlier about the Giants trade and how it

1187
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: could be mutually beneficial for both teams. You know, you

1188
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: talk about the Jazz trade. It worked out for both teams.

1189
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: You know, the Diamondbacks got Gallon and the Marlins got Jazz.

1190
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: You could be looking at the you know, the Marlins

1191
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 2: getting Bart and the Giants getting Marte. But I think

1192
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: you would have to really up the value from the

1193
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: Marlins side to get a guy like Bart. But there's

1194
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: a lot of options out there. But I think the

1195
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: most important thing is people want to see a commitment

1196
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: to win. And I feel like a lot of people

1197
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: didn't see that commitment to win when Marte wasn't extended.

1198
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: And now you know, you hear that right after you know,

1199
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: you you hear that sentiment coming out right after Marte

1200
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: is and extended. You hear, Okay, this team they realized

1201
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: the they have, they realize what needs to be addressed.

1202
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: They're going to try and be aggressive and going out

1203
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: and addressing it. And I think that people, you know,

1204
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: that's positive, a positive sign for fans about the fact

1205
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: that this team has committed to winning.

1206
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: I like, you know, obviously love all of those suggestions.

1207
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of other guys in mine, obviously,

1208
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: like kid, tell Marte if the Diamondbacks failed to trade

1209
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: him and pull the same blunder that Baltimore did when

1210
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: they didn't deal Manny Machado a year before he hit

1211
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: free agency to at least get a little bit more

1212
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: in prospect capital back.

1213
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 4: I think you know they they're going to deeply regret

1214
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 4: that I was looking at a name.

1215
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: He's young, but he's in his small stample is ninety

1216
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: five games that he's been in the big league level.

1217
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: I've actually been kind of impressed with him, and that's

1218
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: Pavan Smith, also of Arizona.

1219
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 4: I like him.

1220
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: I think he presents some positional versatility. He could play

1221
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: center field, he can play the corners. He's even played

1222
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: a little bit of first base in the major leagues.

1223
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: Maybe at like a big name if you're if you're

1224
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: talking about, then a deal where we give up a

1225
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 3: big name pitching prospect, and I know Oakland likes to

1226
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: swoop those guys up the same way they did Frankie Montas,

1227
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: James Caprellian, Ramon Larriano would be great if you trade

1228
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: a Max Meyer, you know, includ him in a package deal.

1229
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 3: Adolas Garcia, because I don't necessarily know what the Rangers

1230
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: are going to be doing in the coming years. He's

1231
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: played good defense in center field. He was uncertain before

1232
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: this season, but he showed that he can legitimately hit

1233
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: for power, and I think you're you know, if you

1234
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: can hit for power, and I state it like Texas,

1235
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: especially in a ballpark.

1236
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: We don't we don't have a lot of data on I.

1237
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'm firmly a believer that you know that

1238
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: may translate to Miami if you want to talk about

1239
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: getting a catcher and you're not wanting to give up

1240
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: too much. Dalton var Show with Arizona's another name because

1241
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: he also presents the ability to play center field, not

1242
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: that he's going to be constantly going back and forth.

1243
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: We're going to need stability in a position at some point.

1244
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, kill two birds with one stone, get the one

1245
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: guy that has old centerfield and catcher.

1246
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 3: I think there's a rule where you're not allowed to

1247
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: play with less than nine guys in the field anyway,

1248
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: So I don't know how that would work if you

1249
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: were doing pull on a statue page bringing the outfielders in.

1250
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 4: But you know, Cedric Mullins, I think it's controllable. We're

1251
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: starting to see.

1252
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 3: After last or with this season, that you know he

1253
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: can sustain this for longer than just half a season.

1254
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: He's a direct replacement for Marche Obviously, he hits for

1255
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: a little bit more power and you may lose a

1256
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: little bit of that going from Camden Yards to Loan Depot.

1257
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you know, it's

1258
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: all about really replacing value with value. Like you said,

1259
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: he you've got to trade value to get value. Obviously,

1260
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: where nobody's training Marte to the Orioles. But you know,

1261
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: if you need a guy like Mullins and give them pitching,

1262
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: which they really need with we haven't really seen them

1263
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: developed much pitching in the early stages of this rebuild

1264
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: in Baltimore, you know why not. But guys like Brian

1265
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: Brian Reynolds to me, like you talked about him earlier,

1266
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: I think Brian Reynolds is the next coming of like

1267
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: Nick Markakas. He's just going to consistently hit two ninety.

1268
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: He'll hit three hundred a couple of years, one hundred

1269
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: and eighty to two hundred, hits, fifteen twenty home runs,

1270
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: a little bit more power obviously, the more cake is,

1271
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 3: but he's just a consistent guy. Does he stick in

1272
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: his center field long term?

1273
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1274
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: I think he more profiles in the corner. And when

1275
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: you have guys like Griffin Conine who've been raking up

1276
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: the lower levels of the miners, the kind of like

1277
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: Messiah Hope that we hope today becomes like a savior

1278
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: and right field for us in two or three years

1279
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: when he's firmly entrenched in the major leagues.

1280
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 4: It's like another name that we have. But you know there,

1281
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: I think Kim is very smart.

1282
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: The front off, Gary Dembo, all those scout scouting people

1283
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: that they know what they're doing. You know, if Craig

1284
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: is you know, speaking truth and we do go out

1285
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: and get a center fielder, I do think it's going

1286
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Speaker 3: to be somebody that is going to be an impact.

1287
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 3: But let's can we talk a little bit more about

1288
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: catching because you know, you you Ethan, you mentioned Jacob Staalins.

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Speaker 4: I like Jacob Stalins. I think he's a very productive

1290
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: big leaguer, especially.

1291
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: In a franchise that's not Obviously they don't have a

1292
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 3: sense of director right now. Pittsburgh doesn't know what they're

1293
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: doing moving before they did just draft to catch up

1294
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: with the first overall pick Stallings is thirty. So I

1295
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: don't know what that's going to do to a team

1296
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: like us that's burgeoning in a rebuild and then we're

1297
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: starting to show some positive signs that there's maybe gonna

1298
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: be some light behind the clouds. But what are some

1299
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: other catchers that you guys have maybe been like thinking

1300
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: about internally that may fit for us beyondre Jacob Stallings,

1301
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: maybe a Mitch Garver, Like you said, I had a

1302
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: crazy trade today and I didn't, And the fact that

1303
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm even mentioning it makes me want to just like

1304
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: shut my camera off and go hide under my blanket completely.

1305
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: But if the Yankees really need a center fielder, and

1306
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: I understand he's hitting for them right now, as weird

1307
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: as that sounds, because I still think there's something to

1308
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: salvage there. I don't think he's four al far out.

1309
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: But could you imagine the reaction that would go on

1310
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: around baseball if we swapped our centerfielder. Martine's going to

1311
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: be owed, like, like you said, Eli four million dollars

1312
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: for the remainder of the season. If we got Gary

1313
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: Sanchez as like a rental, not even like a reclamation

1314
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: because he's got a one nineteen oh yes plus right now,

1315
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: but even as just like a conversation piece for my

1316
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: I mean, in sports, whether it's good or bad, you

1317
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: know what that would do. It It would at least

1318
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: give us a catcher that can offensively do something, but

1319
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: the glove again is just incredibly questionable. Yeah.

1320
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Speaker 1: On Gary, I mean he was someone that I guess

1321
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: if you go back, what two and a half years

1322
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: ago to the first Real Muto rumors, I think there

1323
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: was at one point some sort of traction as to

1324
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe not a one for one trade, but like a

1325
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: three team trade where the Marlins would get Gary and

1326
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: the Mets would get Real Muto and he's gonna he's

1327
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: one of the most polarizing players in baseball, which is

1328
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: what happens when you play for the Yankees for a

1329
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: bunch of years and the Yankees don't even make it

1330
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: to the World Series. When you're like the one common

1331
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: piece that's like been there year after year after year

1332
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason they don't get over the hump,

1333
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 1: you become a scapegoat. So with him, yeah, he's really

1334
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: unusual case. I wouldn't really give much thought to that.

1335
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Speaker 1: The one I guess one of the dream names that

1336
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: the Marlins could kind of shoot for. I don't even

1337
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: know exactly how this matches up, though, is if they

1338
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: can somehow pry Cabert Ruiz from the Dodgers. One that's

1339
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: been knocking on the door for a couple of years

1340
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: because they have. I mean, they have a great situation

1341
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: in the majors right now with Will Smith, at least offensively.

1342
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw even very recently in the Marlins

1343
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: series that Will Smith has some really big defensive questions.

1344
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: And if you wonder if their master playing in LA

1345
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: is that beginning next year they shift Smith to their

1346
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: DH and backup catcher and they just make Ruiz their

1347
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: primary catcher. I think that's what the Dodgers are thinking themselves.

1348
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: That being said, I mean, they're the defending world champs.

1349
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: They need to think about winning every single year and

1350
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: getting a championship every single year. I don't think the

1351
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: pieces really aligned with that. I mean, if we go

1352
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: to this report from Joel Sherman of the New York Post,

1353
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't really reporting this.

1354
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 5: He was just kind of.

1355
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: Suggesting that the Marlins seriously keep an open mind about

1356
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: trading one of their big three starting pitchers, whether it's

1357
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: Pablo or Trevor or Sandy, to a team like the Dodgers,

1358
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: and that they'd be able to get in return like

1359
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: a huge package that includes Ruiz, Gavin Lux and even

1360
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: more than that, it would have would be a really

1361
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: odd configuration to make that work. I just feel like

1362
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of the type of player that you'd be

1363
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: looking at. We've mentioned a couple times already that Joey

1364
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: Bart is that name that's been floating around because he

1365
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: had that amazing draft pedigree and he's already been in

1366
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: the majors. He's knocking on the door again. He seems

1367
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: like he's blocked with the Giants, and yet his value

1368
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: overall is a little bit down from where Ruiz is,

1369
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: so he seems like more realistic. But yeah, this is

1370
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: this is just like my personal taste is like I

1371
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: like Ruiz's hitting profile a little bit better, like I

1372
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: trust him to make more more contact in the majors.

1373
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: That we just see so many of these really productive

1374
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: minor league players that even though they tear the car

1375
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: off the ball and the high miners, especially in Triple A,

1376
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: it does not mean anything. And I fear that because

1377
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: we've already seen Bart in the majors for an extended

1378
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: stretch last year and he just was not a really

1379
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: good hitter that that little sample, I weigh that even

1380
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: more heavily than what he's doing in the minors this year.

1381
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: So For me, I'm someone that's I'm really low on bart.

1382
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: I understand why other people are into it, and I

1383
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: feel like there's a certain price where you have to

1384
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: take a flyer on that type of guy. To me, yeah,

1385
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: to me, he's not like a super I don't love

1386
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: it though for me personally, I wouldn't. I wouldn't make

1387
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: a huge investment in him that, but I would go

1388
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: down the list of you know, again, like all the

1389
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: biggest catching prospects out there that are either in double

1390
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: A or triple A. I think that's something we'll do

1391
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: on the site in the coming days, is really like

1392
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: digging into all those guys, like make an educated guess

1393
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: about whose bat will translate to the next level. As

1394
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: much as we want to prioritize the defensive side, the

1395
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: intangible side of being a catcher, I mean, the bottom

1396
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,479
Speaker 1: line is the Marlins are held back by the fact

1397
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: that they're getting no offense in that.

1398
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 5: Position as well.

1399
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the thing I think the Marlins have

1400
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: to do at this deadline is to really excite the

1401
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: fans in a way, is they got to get impact

1402
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: bats at the higher levels of the minor leagues. You know,

1403
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: no more of no more arms we have. They got

1404
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: enough arms. You know, the fans, I think they've seen

1405
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: enough pitching prospects come in. I think they're tired of

1406
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: pitching prospects and they're tired of you know, low A

1407
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: hitters that you know, high strikeout rates. You need guys

1408
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: that are performing, they're putting up high o ps numbers

1409
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: or you know, they've got good minor league numbers. You know,

1410
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: you brought over Laywin. That was great. Fans were really

1411
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: excited about that one. And I think fans are still

1412
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: excited about Laywin. Jas had his question marks, but fans

1413
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: were really excited, you know, when they brought Jazz over.

1414
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: And I think the Marlins have to go for a

1415
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: similar kind of trade here where they've got to get

1416
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously you talk about getting a guy

1417
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: like bucks in, Mullins, whatever, whatever. You know, the Marlins

1418
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: have to get some kind of impact bat that will

1419
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: make noise in the major leagues as soon as possible.

1420
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 3: A little bit more on bart Eli before we get

1421
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: to what Ethan was talking about, as far as acquiring

1422
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 3: a bat that's gonna play not only now, but in

1423
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: the coming years when this team is hopefully you know, bearing.

1424
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: More fruitful fruits.

1425
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 3: I think there's still some meat on the bones of

1426
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: the fact that Joey Bart is a first round pick

1427
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: and he's kind of been listed as the in the

1428
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: air to the buster Posey thrown in San Francisco, and obviously,

1429
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: like his numbers in college, he's hit, he's hit a

1430
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 3: little bit in the minor leagues, and with what he

1431
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: did in the majors last year, given that Posy opted

1432
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: out of the season and it was really just like

1433
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 3: a weird audition for Bart and he didn't impress.

1434
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: That's one thing.

1435
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: Although the defense we've seen is already elite, so that

1436
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: would immediately present an upgrade over a guy like you

1437
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 3: know how far oh I honestly, like we've talked about

1438
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: seany Leem being traded as much as he's pretty much

1439
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: just you know, a standing stick at the play with

1440
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: providing little to no offensive value. I don't see anything

1441
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: in the way of him being a valuable offensive contributor.

1442
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: But I don't want to lose, you know, I don't

1443
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: want to lose a guy like Sandy Leon who's contributed

1444
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: to the pitching staff the way that he has.

1445
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 4: I believe I forgot whose graphic was put on Twitter.

1446
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: The other day, but it was a compared contrast of

1447
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: picture eras with Sandy Leone compared to Jornheal Farrow and

1448
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: for the most part, most pitchers pitched better with a

1449
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 3: guy like Leon there. I think not having Leon there

1450
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 3: in whatever role in which he's with our team would

1451
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: greatly hinder the development of guys like Trevor Wagers, who

1452
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: have greatly attributed their success to guys like Sandy and

1453
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: kind of just making it a lot easier back there

1454
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: for them.

1455
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah's a good backup catcher, Sandy.

1456
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 5: You know, he's a catcher as.

1457
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: Good as he It feels like there's more than one

1458
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: good back of catcher out there when you just look

1459
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: at the previous year, Francisco Cervelli. They were able to

1460
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: find coming off a bad year and people loved him.

1461
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1462
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of connecting to the earlier topic,

1463
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't really be shocked to San Diego Sandy

1464
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: Leone does get traded coming up. As much as the

1465
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: Marlins pitchers really like him, He's someone that also contending

1466
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: teams put some value on, regardless of whether he's he's

1467
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: hitting or not. If they feel that that he could

1468
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: be that extra like push they need down the stretch,

1469
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: that he could sync up really well with their current arms.

1470
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be shocked to see him moved, and

1471
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: the Marlins actually like getting something in return for him

1472
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: just because of how much that little factor plays into it.

1473
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: It's just he's been such a bad hitter going back

1474
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: for years and years. He had that amazing stretch with

1475
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: the Red Sox out of nowhere, and then like for

1476
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: the last four years he's been you could pull up.

1477
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: He's been right down there at the very bottom inter

1478
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: of all hitters in baseball that in terms of the

1479
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: guys that actually get steady opportunities, which really just limits

1480
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: his role quite a bit when.

1481
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 5: It comes to that.

1482
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: But it's it's you're saying, man, because in this system

1483
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: right now, there's they of course made this really splashy

1484
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: draft pick in Joe Mack just a few days ago

1485
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: and they finally signed him officially. But if you're being generous,

1486
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: you know he's in the big leagues three years from now.

1487
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: That's being really generous, and it's probably closer to four

1488
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: four and a half until he actually gets up here.

1489
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: And some of these other guys at the higher levels

1490
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: really mixed results to this point. With I guess I'll

1491
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: throw out the name of Nick Fortes, who just got

1492
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: called up to Triple A, even if it's very temporarily,

1493
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: he's someone that they'll really want to find out about it.

1494
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he actually gets called up

1495
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: to the majors at the very end of this year.

1496
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: Just because he's coming up on his Rule five draft eligibility,

1497
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: he's got to be put on the roster anyway, the

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: forty man roster. So he's a guy that they could

1499
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: like put in h they could figure out what they

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: have in him. But the question is whether they they

1501
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: don't want to wait, whether they are they can lock

1502
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: in on one of these guys that are kind of

1503
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: out there, that are ready in another organization that you

1504
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: feel more confident in what ready to make that really

1505
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: big investment in. It's definitely a possibility. I did want

1506
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: to remind people again that like that possibility of it happening,

1507
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen at this deadline.

1508
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: It could be something that waits until the off season.

1509
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: But in terms of things that they could do at

1510
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: the deadline. I think even you touched on it. How

1511
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: you want to emotionally kind of salvage this season with

1512
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: the fan base and you want to continue moving this

1513
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: like on a path. You want to give people a

1514
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: reason to believe that this isn't a step back, that

1515
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: this is still part of that same progression they've been

1516
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: making the last you know, three and a half four years.

1517
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 2: And and Jeter kind of said it, you know, I

1518
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 2: Christina put out an article and I think Jordan did

1519
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: as well, you know, with the quote where he talks about,

1520
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: you know, at the last deadline, you got Marte and

1521
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: at the last dead line, you know we got jazz

1522
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 2: As and Leywin and Jezeus and we've you know, he's

1523
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: our team. Go to a team, and we're going to

1524
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: make the same moves that we feel like will improve

1525
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: the team. And it wan't got to be major league

1526
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 2: help to point it's it has to be stuff on

1527
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: the field. And I think the Marlins will have a

1528
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: good chance in this.

1529
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 4: I get.

1530
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: Box In or over Reynolds or a Bard or somebody

1531
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: got the future on this on the say, you know,

1532
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: this is all easier. The guys that are gonna be

1533
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: part of you know, note that all these guys come

1534
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: with us war says. You know, it wasn't a great

1535
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: hitter in the minor leagues, but he's having a great year.

1536
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have the best track record. Joey

1537
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: Bart hasn't been great in the major leagues, but he's

1538
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: hit like crazy in the minors, really minors, so that's

1539
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: certainly encouraging. And he's putting up great numbers in triple

1540
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: at this year. Buckston can't stay healthy. Brian Reynolds, you know,

1541
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: is this a one off season where he's hitting three

1542
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: twelve with any to his earlier in eighteen home runs?

1543
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: You know, is that a one off season? This is

1544
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: that sustainable? Could tell Martin might cost a lot, you know,

1545
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: he might be really expensive. So all these guys come

1546
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: with question marks, and all of them come with track

1547
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: record questions, I think, But at the end of the day,

1548
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, the effort will be rewarded. I think for

1549
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: the Marlins in terms of just a fan based standpoint,

1550
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: they will applaud an effort to get better. They will

1551
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: appreciate that the Marlins are trying to win. You know,

1552
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: there have been questions about whether this organization is actually

1553
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: trying to win, and you know, at one a couple

1554
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, it looked bleak. But all of a

1555
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: sudden you look at the fact that, okay, they gave

1556
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: Starling Martin and improved offer, and really it came down

1557
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: too he wanted four years and they wanted three years.

1558
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, they're looking to make

1559
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: a splashy acquisition for twenty twenty two because they realized,

1560
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: you know, they that there's nothing to replace Starling Marte

1561
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: and they've got nothing to catch her, you know, and

1562
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: nobody really has. The problem with catcher is nobody really

1563
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: has anything with catcher. It's such a depleted offense. You know,

1564
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: it's such a void when it comes to offense where

1565
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of good offensive catchers unless

1566
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: you have a guy like j R. Muto or you know,

1567
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: one of the top catchers in the league. So, you know,

1568
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: taking a flyer on a young catcher is promising in

1569
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: terms of the perception it gives you, but it might

1570
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,799
Speaker 2: not pay off. You know, jorgel Fara was a promising

1571
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 2: young catcher once and he hasn't just hasn't been able

1572
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: to hit at the major league level, and you know,

1573
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: there there are concerns with every player, but at the

1574
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, at some point you

1575
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: got to start taking some risks. And it's enough with

1576
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: the stockpiling prospects and it's time to use some of that.

1577
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen them use that pitching stockpile before

1578
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 2: to go out and improve, and I think this is

1579
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: another great chance for the Marlins to do that. And

1580
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, from all reports and what it seems, it

1581
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: seems that the Marlins are going to do that.

1582
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: Well.

1583
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Alfaro one last time because

1584
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: it's a shortcut for people to say we need, we

1585
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: really want a top one hundred prospect that like that

1586
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: seems to be the threshold. A lot of people really

1587
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: love to be one of the top one hundred ranked

1588
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: prospects in baseball.

1589
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if.

1590
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: People realize this, but Al Farrow more or less set

1591
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: a record. You know, he was a top one hundred

1592
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: guy for five straight years when he was in the

1593
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: Ranger system, when he was in the Philly system, across

1594
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: like multiple outlets across like Baseball America and Pipeline. In

1595
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty six,

1596
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: and you could look it up, like all these lists

1597
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: are still up there, and he's a guy that no

1598
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: matter what he did in the minors, like it was

1599
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: encouraging enough that he like stayed on those lists, and

1600
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: that just doesn't guarantee anything, Like there's just a different

1601
01:13:58,479 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: Brendon Rodgers.

1602
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: Rogers has been on the top one hundred since like

1603
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I think he finally just graduated recently and

1604
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 2: he's done. You know, he hasn't done much. And it's

1605
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, that's I'm that fault of it. I did

1606
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: it with the Padres trade and the Pirates thing, you know,

1607
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: I said, oh, they you know, the Pirates only got

1608
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: one top thirty guy from the Padres organization and you know,

1609
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: no top one hundred prospects for Adam Frazier, who's in

1610
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: all Storry. He's having a great year. And but you know,

1611
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: every team values guys differently. You know, the Pirates that

1612
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,919
Speaker 2: the guys that they acquired are having two really great seasons.

1613
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: You know, they got the top five prospect from the

1614
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: Padres organization, but the other two guys are having two

1615
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: really great seasons. And so the Pirates Padres are looking

1616
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: at that and MLB pipeline hasn't been updated yet. If

1617
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: it was these guys, you know, my crack the top

1618
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: thirty one in them, I keep seeing would crack the

1619
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: top twenty for the Padres organization in a grain farm system.

1620
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: So every team values guys differently, and you know that's

1621
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 2: why at the end of the day, we don't know.

1622
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 2: You know, we can make trade trade proposals with Braxting

1623
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: Garrett and Jose Devers and cam Meisner in this one

1624
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: and that one, but you know, Craig. Craig is also

1625
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: saying to us that teams don't really value a lot

1626
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: of the hitting prospects that the Marlins have except for

1627
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 2: Peyton Burdick. So you know how we don't know how

1628
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: teams value Morland's prospects to the point where we don't

1629
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: know what they would have to give up to get

1630
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: some of the guys that they're after. We also don't

1631
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 2: know the guys that they're after. It's a type of

1632
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: player that they're looking for, controllable, young, talented center fielder.

1633
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: But it's not you know, it's not like Mullins is

1634
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 2: a guy that they've had talks about or Buxton as

1635
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: a guy that they have talks about. It's just they

1636
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 2: want to acquire a guy like that.

1637
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 4: He fits obviously something that they're looking for.

1638
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, if you want to talk

1639
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 3: about one more guy that could possibly be moved though.

1640
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 3: I was talking to Daniel Rodriguez today and I'll give

1641
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: you the credit on this. He said internally he's had

1642
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 3: conversations with people within the organization. You know, I talk

1643
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 3: to him about maybe Hayes Wu's Aguyar being a security

1644
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 3: blanket move that Boston may make if they don't go

1645
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: out and a quire at Thanny Rizzo, somebody that they've

1646
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: been linked to for a while. The Red Sox drafted

1647
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: Rizo in two thousand and seven. He's obviously had a

1648
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: relationship with John Lester. I know John Lester's not there,

1649
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 3: but you know, he has a history with that organization

1650
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: that goes back, you know, two decades.

1651
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 4: I mean, but and Aguiar would definitely present an upgrade.

1652
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: He's at this point he's a better offensive player, it

1653
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 3: seems like, for the most part than Rizzo has been

1654
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: for the last couple of years. I have to say

1655
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 3: that Rizzo is fully not the player he was twenty

1656
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 3: thirteen through say twenty seventeen. But you know, Aggiyar leads

1657
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 3: the nationally in RBIs right now he is, and just

1658
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 3: translating a one sixteen ops plus in Miami over to Boston,

1659
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 3: you have to think he'd probably hit better there. We

1660
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: need a guy like if lou In Diaz is supposedly

1661
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 3: like this big return we were excited about when we

1662
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 3: traded him to the Twin We got them from the

1663
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: Twins for Sergio Romo. Don't you think it's time we

1664
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 3: started giving him regular reps.

1665
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: Very glad that you brought up Leywin Diaz. That's going

1666
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: to be a nice point to end on here on

1667
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: the Fishtrips podcast, about this next wave of young Marlins

1668
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: players that will step into the shoes vacated by whatever

1669
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: veterans they move at the deadline, whether it's Leywin at

1670
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: first base, whether it's Edward Cabrera on the pitching staff.

1671
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: They don't really need to move anybody to make room

1672
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: for Eddie, but that just makes it even a more

1673
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: natural transition for him if they do trade away several

1674
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: of these veteran relievers to just make room for Ennings.

1675
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: That needs to be filled an opportunity to get Nick

1676
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: Knidert a longer look, Braxton Garrett a longer look some

1677
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: of these guys that aren't even on the forty man roster.

1678
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: This in most cases, this will clear space on the

1679
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: forty man, which has been so crowded for much of

1680
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: this year. And finally, this is kind of the remedy

1681
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: to it. Among other things, I'm excited to see the

1682
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: those guys come up, whether it's from TRIPAA or even

1683
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: some that are in Double A right now kind of

1684
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: make that leap if they're performing well at the end

1685
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: of the season, and if the Marlins believe now is

1686
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: the time to get a close look at them. This

1687
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: is always the perverted joy of following and losing team, right,

1688
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: is to see that those new faces that are ones

1689
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: you would hope to really replace that production further down

1690
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: the road, and they need to start somewhere, right, They

1691
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: need to take a first step, and in August and

1692
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty one, that could be the first

1693
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: step to some incredible careers for these new guys. Here

1694
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: in Miami trade deadline coming up four pm Eastern Time

1695
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: on July thirtieth, We're going to have it all covered

1696
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: across Fish Stripes dot Com, our social media accounts, our

1697
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and of course our podcast feed right here,

1698
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: so be sure to follow, like, subscribe, rate, and review

1699
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: wherever you can all the support it means a ton

1700
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: to all of us here. I'm Eli Sussman, Thank you

1701
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: to Ethan Badowski and Lewis Addio Weiss. We'll have you

1702
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: and well, of course I have you covered at the

1703
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: ballpark itself. Once a team returns post trade deadline. Still

1704
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: sixty two games to go in this regular season, so

1705
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: many rumors that will really fill up our attention spans

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Speaker 1: between now and then, we'll have you covered. And just

1707
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: as importantly, we love to hear from you guys about

1708
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: this approach to the deadline, your reaction once some of

1709
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: these moves finally go down. This is in some respects

1710
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: the best time of the year, regardless of where your

1711
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: team stands in this buying selling relationship. So thanks again

1712
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: for all your support. I hope you guys keep listening

1713
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: to us here on the pod.

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Speaker 5: As always, go Fish