1 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome back to The Phillies Show with Ruben 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury. I am todd z A lucky 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April eleventh, twenty twenty four. Guys, how 4 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: are you doing well? Double Buenos? This is fantastic Philly. 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Philly's had a nice little road trip. They go four 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: and two, They win two out of three in d C, 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: they win two out of three in Saint Luis. Some 8 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: good starting pitching, some timely hitting, not a lot of 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: timely hitting. But what kind of jumped out at you? 10 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Guys? 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Do you think about this road trip. 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: When series win series that jumped out at me win series? 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you win two out of three the rest of 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: the way, going to sell some records. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: Very succinct, Jen, very succinct. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 3: I'm striving to be succinct today. 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: You don't want you don't want to be You don't 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: want to elaborate. I'll elaborate. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: You know, Uh, got some good starts, Spencer Turnbull, nice 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: job in that five spot, continues to be uh A 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: nice little story here. Uh, and they're gonna need that. 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: And you know, I think the last two days and 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: you know, the offense is kind of doing just enough 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: to be six and six. It's not you know, caught 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: fire yet. I mean one of the things that jumped 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: out on me in the last few days is, you know, 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 3: sixteen singles. I think it was no extra base hits 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: the last two days in Saint Louis, which is fine. 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it takes all different ways, but this is 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: the lineup that has built the slog. I think the 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: three game series they were twenty six hits, only three 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: extra base extra base hits. Not a arming at all, 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: but interesting, not alarming, because I do think the slug 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: will come, and it's probably reasons why it is not 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: there that some of them that I believe Todd articulated 36 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: in a story on MLB dot com. But you know, 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 3: six and six, twelve games in, I'm fine with it. 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: No panic here, boys, no panic. 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: So let's let's actually jump into this because I think 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: in Ruben, you know you can jump in right away. 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: So I thought. 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: There were three very illuminating comments from players and manager 43 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: this week. Starting Monday night, Joan Rojas had one hit 44 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: all season. He crushes a double down the left field 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: lines at first step bat one o eight point one 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: off the bat. His hardest hit base hit ever in 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: the big leagues and kind of following up what we 48 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: were talking about in Monday, guys being tentative on the 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: bases and and Johan Rojas also be tentative. I asked him, 50 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: I said, do you feel like you've been a little 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: tentative in the box as you've been trying to cut 52 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: down your chase rate? And he said, I think that 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: I was a little shy at the plate before. Right now, 54 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: what I can do is be myself now. Tuesday afternoon, 55 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: we're talking to Nick Castianos, and he said, we asked 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: him how seasons going. He said, it's crappy, but he 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: didn't say crappy. He said, can we say that? Can 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: we say? 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: He did say that. 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: So he said, what was the worst part about her? 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: What's the you know, the crappiestiest part about it? And 63 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: he said, I think I that I put too much 64 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: stress on my chase percentages and wanting so so much 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: to swing at good pitches that I feel like I 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: lost the whippiness and the looseness I had attacking the ball. 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not getting my swing off. I'm like, 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: all right, get him in the zone. Get him in 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the zone. Oh, it's in the zone, and I take 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: a soft swing. And then Rob Thompson basically said the 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: same thing. He says, you know, we players have been 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: hearing a lot about don't chase, don't chase, don't chase. 73 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: You want to have a balance there. So that to 74 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: me could be why this team is not slugging. 75 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: No. 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's here's my take on this thing. 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 5: I see an indecisiveness of some guys, and I think 78 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 5: that's the reason, because everybody's focusing on the swing decisions 79 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: that we talked about a little bit before, like whether 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 5: they're going to swinging a strike or swinging a. 81 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: Pitch in the zone. 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: And I do think that there's you know, you do 83 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 5: your work and you get your work done, and I 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 5: think k Long was talking about this a little bit. 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 5: You get your work done in the cage, and you know, 86 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 5: pregame and do whatever you gotta do. But when it 87 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 5: comes time. 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 6: To hit against a guy who's throwing a ninety four 89 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 6: mile an hour cutter and a ninety nine mile an 90 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 6: hour fastball and an eighty six mile an hour hook, 91 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 6: you better just be concentrated on hitting the baseball and 92 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 6: let your work sort of happen naturally and be athletic 93 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 6: in the box. 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 5: And I think if I see some guys not doing 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 5: that just because, and I think it's casting and Johann 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 5: Rojas in the early part of the season, but. 97 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: I think there's more than just those guys who are 98 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: sort of in between right now, a lot of in between. 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: Even Harper's a little in between. 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 7: I mean, Harper is not really other than a three 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 7: home run day. Harper's not you know, he's not himself 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 7: yet now. I think the reasons why he's not himself 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 7: for a little different. I think the reason why he's not 104 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 7: himself and we can go off on a Tangentlell go 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 7: off on Tangentiera is because he's. 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: Playing first base and it's a whole different deal being 107 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: at first. 108 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 5: Baseman every day, not dhing got another DH and Kyle 109 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: Schwarber that I think that's a totally different deal and 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 5: adjusting to that. But I think the guys just it's 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 5: like a golfer, right if you start thinking about your 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 5: swing and you're in competition, you better not be You 113 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 5: better be athletic in the box, man, You better be 114 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 5: athletic and just let your you got to let the 115 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 5: work that you did, you know, happen and I don't 116 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 5: see that happen name very consistently with a lot of 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 5: guys in the lineup, not just Casti and Johann. 118 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: But it'll get better. 119 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, when we talked about this a couple episodes ago, 120 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: the difference between a swing decision and a pure natural reaction. 121 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: You want a pure natural reaction because if you're thinking 122 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: too much, think long, think wrong, and it happens in 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: all sports. Those comments Todd in your story, Matt Gelb's story, 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: they really jumped out at me. Rob Thompson, Castianos Rojas, 125 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: I just suggested that, you know, guys were thinking too 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: much about the chase and it almost becomes paralysis by analysis, 127 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: very defensive swing and you know, not yourself, and I 128 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: don't know how. It's kind of only human though, when 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: you consider this. They would bounce from the postseason because 130 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: they chased a lot of pitches last season. It was 131 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: talked about all off season. It was almost like the 132 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: way the Eagles collapse is being talked about now and 133 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: dissect it and it won't go away. Well, the Phillies 134 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: collapse and the reasons for it didn't go away all 135 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 3: winter and everybody talked about you. They stop chase and pitches. 136 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: They gotta be more selective. It can't be so much 137 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: free swinging. They heard it was on their mind. They 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: got to spring training, and oh what happened. We've added 139 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: two hitting coaches. Now we're up to three. So you've 140 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: got three hitting coaches. Everybody's in each other's ear. How 141 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: can you not think about it? How can you not 142 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: think about it? You know? I just think it's another example, 143 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: And I'm all for all the coaching and instruction and 144 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: information you can get, but you can't over engineer the athlete. 145 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: You got to let him be natural. And I mean, 146 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: some guys want all that information and can process it 147 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: and still be natural. But I think a few years 148 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: ago on the mound, Aaron Nola there was a lot 149 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: of information floating around his head and he was having 150 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: trouble executing. He was more, you know, kind of just 151 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: let natural take over. Stanos appears to be that guy, 152 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: so I do, and Robi Thompson alluded to it. Just 153 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: it's so much talk about it is bombarding them and 154 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: and paralyzing them a little bit, and just you know, 155 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: in terms of paralysis by analysis and just not not 156 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: firing at the ball, not swinging at the ball like 157 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: and I honestly think it's all going to mitigate and 158 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: come together at some point and they'll get that balance between. Okay, 159 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: since since synthesized the information, Sorry, I first streed with 160 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: the new tongue, and you know, and then the natural. 161 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: Well, you're a writer, you're not a speaker. I mean 162 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: I'm not speaking. We know that. Yeah, now I think 163 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: I think I think you make great, great points. Uh, 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: no question about it. 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 5: There is probably in in this day and age, a 166 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 5: little too much information. 167 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Uh. There's a balance between being John Kruck and what 168 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: rolling out of bed and take getting a. 169 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: Knock and not knowing the picture but not really caring 170 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 5: because you can adjust. 171 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: And then there's a JD. Martinez who wants all. 172 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 5: The information and he processes it all and he understands it. 173 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: And you know, even a guy like the left fielder 174 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: Albert Bell. 175 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 5: That I play, I mean he used to write down 176 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: every very meticulous. There's a balance, and each guy processes 177 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 5: information differently, right. 178 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: Everybody's just like you know, a teacher. Teacher has to 179 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 4: sometimes you know, the kid's visual. 180 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 5: Or the kids you know, oral or you know, whatever 181 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 5: the case may be, but the people process stuff differently. 182 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: I have a theory that I'm going to talk this. 183 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 8: Is a. 184 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 5: This is one of those takes that that may sound 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 5: a little funky, but I think I think about the 186 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 5: segmental psyche a lot. Nick Casianos has hit in the 187 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: middle of a lineup his entire life, and he made 188 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 5: a little bit of a comment about, you know, the 189 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: protection and where he is in the lineup and getting 190 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 5: pitches and thinking about he's sort of like, you know, 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,359 Speaker 5: a little bit of a deep thinker and a little emotional, 192 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 5: and which is fine, it's cool. I think that there 193 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 5: is something going on in his psyche. I don't know 194 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: what it is, but the fact that he's hitting in 195 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 5: a seventh hole as opposed to. 196 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: Hitting in the four, five, six, three. 197 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 5: Like for most of his career, I think that that 198 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 5: I think that that sort of messes with him a 199 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 5: little bit, and I think he is a I mean, 200 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 5: you know, one of the things I did notice about 201 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: him like when he when he's feeling really good and 202 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: comfortable about himself, he plays much better right when his 203 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: son's around and his families are near him, and stuff 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: like that I think he plays better. I think I 205 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 5: think when he is at peace with himself outside of baseball, 206 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 5: I think he plays much much better baseball and has 207 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: a lot more success. And I'm not sure that I'm 208 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: not necessarily suggesting he should be moved up. I just 209 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 5: think it's just another adjustment that he has he has 210 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 5: to make, like, hey, I'm still an important part of 211 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: this lineup. It's not I'm not in the seventh hole 212 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 5: because Rob Thompson doesn't think I'm an important part of 213 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: the lineup. I'm in the seventh hole because I haven't 214 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 5: been as productive as I have been in the past, 215 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: and there's other guys in this lineup who are productive 216 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: and can be more productive. 217 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: And that's maybe one of the reasons why. 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 7: Plus Rob Thompson might be wanting to drop him back 219 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 7: there to give that back into the lineup a little 220 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 7: more punch. 221 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: So that said, that's a little bit of a take 222 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 2: that I have. I think it's an adjustment that he's 223 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: going to have to make. 224 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 5: Mentally and emotionally, and when he does, hopefully does soon, 225 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 5: and he's starting to do it now. I lost I've 226 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 5: seen some things over the last couple days where I've 227 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 5: seen him start to become a little bit more of himself. 228 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: I think that it's going to really length it out 229 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: that line. 230 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: It was interesting that he said that, and I can 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: tell you that he was not happy when he did 232 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: get dropped down. I think it was early early September 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: last season. I think he dropped as far down as 234 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: eighth in the lineup. Then he hit seventh. He's been 235 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: in seventh open since opening day. I remember I asked 236 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: him in spring training about that. I said, you were 237 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: not happy when he dropped down. He's like, I was 238 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: not happy. I did not like being dropped down, And 239 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: he did make that comment. So it is an adjustment. 240 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: The problem is is, boy, he's really gonna have to 241 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: start hitting and making better contact to move up in 242 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: the lineup because Rob talks a lot about how he 243 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: likes Bom and Real Muto up higher, especially Boom because 244 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: he makes a lot of contact with runners on base. 245 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: So I it seems like it's a difficult path now 246 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: that he's down there. How does he get back up? 247 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: So you know, he's got to He's got to figure 248 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: it out. 249 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: Do you either either gets backed up or he just 250 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: he learns to live bit and love it. Yeah right, Yeah, 251 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: that's exactly right. 252 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: I mean you talk about lineup balance and having a 253 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: little bit of thunder down low and bottom third. There 254 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: are RBIs to pick up in that seven hole. It 255 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be an unglamorous spot in the order. 256 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: But so do you would you consider if you were 257 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: a skipper, would you consider moving him up into the 258 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: middle as a way to kickstart him and you know, 259 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: make him, you know, feel good and ignite some confidence 260 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: and maybe kickstart him by putting him in in that 261 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: really meaningful hole in the in the middle of the 262 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: lineup where he has been comfortable in the past, or 263 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: do you make him kind of earn it? What's what's 264 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: the take there. 265 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: It's a great question, and for me it's a it's 266 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: a super question. 267 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 5: And I think if he starts hitting the ball a 268 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: little bit better, I feel like that kind of a 269 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 5: move to move him up and to move say JT 270 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: back out to five or six or something like that 271 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: would have less of an impact on JT emotionally, because 272 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: I don't think JT gives a. 273 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: Crap where he hits. And maybe it makes him a 274 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: little bit better, maybe it makes him feel like he's more, 275 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, more important in the line whatever, 276 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: Maybe it makes him. 277 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 5: I don't know the answer because I can't get into 278 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 5: people's I don't have a crystal ball one and two. 279 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: I can't get into people's psyche. 280 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: But I do know that if JT got moved back 281 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 5: and Nick Guck moved back, I don't think it would 282 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: affect j T as far as the emotion of it comparatively. Now, 283 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 5: you have to have a productive player in there, but 284 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 5: you know that productive. 285 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: That player is not. 286 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 5: Productive, then what's the point we're not about. We're not 287 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 5: making we're not making people happy. I wouldn't because he's 288 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 5: such a much better hitter. He drives in runs with 289 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 5: the he drives and runs. He's the best driving runs 290 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: with two you know, two outs. 291 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: He's he's he's he drove in ninety seven runs last 292 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: year or whatever it was. Right, there's a lot of runs. 293 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: Man, he didn't you know Nick drove in one hundred plus? 294 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Right? 295 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: He did, and and and in that seventh spot, I 296 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: mean he did basically help carry the phillies past the 297 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: braves in the NLDS. So it's not like you can't 298 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: do damage in the seven hole. But I know he 299 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: does not. Oh yeah yeah, So I mean, I don't 300 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: know if there's an acceptance that's ever gonna come with him, 301 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: or if he's gonna if he's gonna hate that spot forever. 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: But it seems like he has gotten past the obsessing 303 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: over the chaser part. 304 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: He's just he. 305 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: Seemed like he was over it. You know, he's he's 306 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: the other day he was. His chas rate last season 307 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: was forty one percent. The entering Tuesday was thirty four 308 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: point four. 309 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: Is that good? 310 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, Like, what's the what's the number 311 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: that they want him to get to? If they want 312 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: him to get to that number, that's the thing. And 313 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of like kind of over it. 314 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: He's kind of over it. 315 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: The numbers are overblown. Man to see it and hit it. 316 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Seeing hit it if it's. 317 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 5: A ball, try to take it. If it's not a ball, 318 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 5: whack it. I mean, I don't know. Sounds ridiculously simple. 319 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: He's a streaky feel guy. And honestly, one of these 320 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: days we're gonna be sitting here and we're gonna be 321 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: talking about him hitting a bunch of two hoppers off 322 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: the wall. For about a week he's gonna get a 323 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: no doubt, he's gonna go knots. He's gonna be standing 324 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: on second base all the time because he's hitting doubles. 325 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: And you know, it's when he flashes that bath heead 326 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: you can tell he's really confident. You know, like when 327 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: he flashes that bath heead, it's out there and the 328 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: balls boom. He'll get going. 329 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: And he's been killing a hitter for a long time. Dude, 330 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: he can hit, and he can hit the ball out 331 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: of the ballpark. 332 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: You can hit two three hit games, he says. It's 333 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, and everybody's gonna forget about this. Or he 334 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: had a two hit game that night after we after 335 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: we talked to him pregame, and he looked over as 336 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: he goes, should have talked to you guys about my 337 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: hitting earlier, almost like we jinxed him out of it 338 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: or something. 339 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: He's a little eighth emotional. 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's. 341 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: Thinker, Yeah, no doubt, which is okay, Which is okay. 342 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: I mean that's just who he is. Ruben. 343 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: You're emotional. You cry at a sunset. 344 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 5: I am very emotional, James, I am a woos no question. 345 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: I cried at finding Nemo dude, with my kids, I 346 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: am not I am not bashful about it. My friend, 347 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: that's great. 348 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: That's a good movie. 349 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, great movie. That was crying like a baby, I 350 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: think a baby. Yeah, And they did a sighting on 351 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: I P on I P because of it. Someone said, oh, yeah, 352 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: we saw ruben of borrowings. 353 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: That's what that's that's when they used to not like you, 354 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: w I P. 355 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: Now they like you. That's also, well, they never not 356 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: like me. They ripped me, but they always sort of 357 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: like me because I always used to go on there 358 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: and say, go ahead and rip me. 359 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 5: You know, how come you're not ripping me when you do. 360 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: Have in addition to being emotional, you do have very 361 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: very thick skin. 362 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes with the territory, dude. 363 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on a tangent. 364 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: Let's go back to baseball. 365 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: So I was really impressed. 366 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: I thought. 367 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: What I thought was really fun about yesterday's game was 368 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: Aaron Nola's performance and just how he pitching in just awful, 369 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: rainy conditions, just totally dialed gear back everything just to 370 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: try to be competitive and got got them six innings. 371 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: Is his Vela was so down early in the game 372 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: because of the conditions. I was getting text from people 373 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: not at the game going because of all the UCL 374 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: stuff saying, oh my gosh, is this and is he 375 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: about the something badgeting about happened? What were you guys impressed? 376 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: As impressed as I was with why we kind of 377 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: geared everything down the shortness stride and just tried to 378 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: get the ball over the play yesterday. I thought that 379 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: was pretty cool. 380 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very impressive because I think that's what 381 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: a good athlete does. He adjusts in the moment, depending 382 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: on maybe what's working that day. Like let's say it 383 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 3: was perfect pitching conditions seventy eight degrees and dry, but 384 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: maybe something wasn't working something, so you adjust your game plan. 385 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: He adjusted to the weather and the feel on the mound. 386 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: He was very smart about it. You don't want to, 387 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: you know, blow out your push leg or your land 388 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 3: leg because the conditions are bad. So it was a 389 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: smart athlete adjusting to what was in front of him 390 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: on that given day. I once upon a time I 391 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: covered David Cohn when I covered the Yankees, and you know, 392 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: he would talk about I can distinctly remember him after 393 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: games talking about almost like inventing pitches during the game 394 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: based on finger positioning and finger pressure and where he 395 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: was holding the ball and what was feeling good and 396 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: how it was coming out. And he's like mutating pitches 397 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: like in a laboratory in real time on the pitcher's 398 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: mound because he's just so smart. And he was, you know, 399 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: reading real time feedback that he was getting from hitters 400 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: and hitters swing and how the ball felt out of 401 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: his hand and making real time adjustments. And I think, honestly, 402 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: that's what Aaron Nola did yesterday in the mud. Didn't 403 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: worry about lighting up any radar guns. He worried about 404 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: protecting his body, executing strikes, you know, getting some contact, 405 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: getting some outs. I thought it was a really smart 406 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: performance by him. 407 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: I can't say enough about it. 408 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 5: And it also it speaks to so many different things 409 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: about the game that have changed for the worst. 410 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: And when I see what I saw out. 411 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 5: Of both of those two guys, both Wheeler and Nola, 412 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: and I think Nola sort of didn't learn from him, 413 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 5: but all he had to do is watch what Wheeler did. 414 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't down a ninety six mile an 415 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: hour fastball. Wheeler was moving the ball, he was spinning 416 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: the ball, he's putting where he wanted to. He wasn't 417 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 4: dominating with like nasty, nasty, filthy stuff. Still have great movement, 418 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 4: got guys off the barrel. He figured out ways to 419 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: get through. You know however, seven innings, I mean, dude. 420 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 5: And then Nola comes back and throws you know what, 421 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 5: did what he did fantastic and very very very few, 422 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 5: if any, young pitchers can do any of this because 423 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 5: they have to rely on their stuff. They don't pitch, 424 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 5: they have to rely on their stuff. And if they 425 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 5: have to rely on their stuff and they don't have it, 426 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: guess what, they try to throw harder, and then they 427 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 5: try to spin it harder. And these guys went the 428 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 5: other way, which is brilliant and pitched and got people out. 429 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 5: And so for me, that is as good a performance 430 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: from both those guys when they didn't have their stuff 431 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 5: to be able to keep the team in the game and. 432 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: Give them a chance to win a baseball game. 433 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: That was was Nola's approach yesterday, all dictated by the 434 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: wet grounds, right. 435 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 4: I think so, because listen, he could not drive, he 436 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 4: could not step, he. 437 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: Couldn't do there's so many different things. 438 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: I mean, you can put yourself in danger, not just 439 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 5: with your legs, but with your arm if you're trying 440 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: to you know, you never know what's gonna happen. 441 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: When you're that slipper. Year. Base is so important in 442 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: in sports. You know, whether you're hitting, whether you're pitching, 443 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: whether you're you know, shooting a bow and arrow. I mean, 444 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: your base means everything. 445 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, j T was JT was saying that. JT said 446 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: he saw him slip a couple of times during warm 447 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: ups while he was throwing it. 448 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you a picture blows out his pusch side 449 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: groin three months more, I don't know, maybe more. 450 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: I mean, look what happened at dock in the playoffs. Yeah, 451 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: great point San Francisco. I mean we didn't have a stuff. 452 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: He had to try to free out, made a couple 453 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 5: of mistakes in the costas. It wasn't because he wasn't 454 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 5: trying to. I mean, Doc was being Doc trying to pitch. 455 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: It's so important to your to your push off the 456 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: rubber you're it grabs you every every pitch. And Clemens 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: had a couple that he had to shut down when 458 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: he had a growing problem Boom, he was sidelined. It's 459 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: so important your core and everything. You look at Hoskins, 460 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: he had a core injury and he just couldn't get 461 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: through it. He had to have surgery a few years ago. 462 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: It's boy, thank goodness everything they came out of that 463 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: game in the mud okay, with a win. That a 464 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: lot of health. 465 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: That had to be Rob Thomas's biggest concern. I mean 466 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 2: every pitch and I was watching from the booth. I 467 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: got a good angle of it. 468 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 6: I'm going, you. 469 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 5: Know, these are bad, bad, bad conditions bad, like. 470 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: It was really puddling up. It reminded me of Game 471 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: five a little bit, a game World terrible, terrible. Yeah, 472 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: and you know JT's behind there catching every you take 473 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: one in the neck the night. 474 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: Before about it. 475 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: What a tough dude. 476 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: He's a stud. I don't care what dude. 477 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 4: I can get canceled, but the man's a study. 478 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Well you know what was great about that is you 479 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: know he is so tough that while he was on 480 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: the ground grabbing his neck, Garrett Stubbs just sat there 481 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: and watched because his he had every expectation that JT 482 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: was going to get up and continue to play. 483 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: Do you remember that? 484 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: And at one point all the infielders are yelling at 485 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Stubbs he's coming out, and Stubs is like almost in 486 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: disbelief that no, no, no, no, he's he's going to keep playing, 487 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, no, he's actually is going 488 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: to come out of this game, because he never comes 489 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: out of a game, never. 490 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: Never, ever, and doesn't want to. And that's what you 491 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 5: love about JT. 492 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 4: Man. 493 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: I mean, I could not believe he was in a lineup. 494 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 4: I will tell you that ninety every single other player 495 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: in baseball, none of them would have gone and played 496 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 4: the next day. 497 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 2: That next morning. They would I have done it. They 498 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: played it basically a morning Think about that for a minute. 499 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: Twelve fifteen game basically a morning game for these guys. Yeah, 500 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: back and play the next day. 501 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: I asked he was walking by U yesterday morning. I said, 502 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna wear one of those danglee uh catcher things. 503 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: He says, Now, Paul Bookeye, the trainer, always tries to 504 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: get me wear them, and he's like, I would just 505 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: get too much crap in the clubhous, So I'm not gonna. 506 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: I'm not wearing it. He's a tough son of a 507 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: bitch man. 508 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, he is that he really is. So the Phillies 509 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: are opening up a ten game home stand beginning tonight 510 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: against the Pirates. Got Jared Jones versus Ranger Suarez tonight, 511 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: old friend, Bailey Falter versus Christopher Sanchez on Friday Night, 512 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: Marco Gonzalez versus Spencer Turnbull on Saturday, and then Keller 513 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: versus Wheeler on Sunday Friday. 514 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: I hope Bailey Falter gets a nice ovation, because when 515 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: I think of Bailey fall I think of the second 516 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: half of twenty twenty two, after Zach Yefflin I believe, 517 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: went down. He he filled in a bunch of starts 518 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: and the team won a bunch of those starts. I 519 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: think at one point he made like six in a 520 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: row and the team won all six of him. He 521 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: got him to the middle innings, did his job. So 522 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 3: he did a nice job for a very good team 523 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: that year. 524 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: Totally agree with you. 525 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 5: He was like Christopher Sanchez's version of twenty two. I mean, 526 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 5: Christopher Chance did the same sort of thing in twenty three, 527 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 5: coming in and filling in and doing it. 528 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean he was one of the most consistent guys 529 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: for a while. 530 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: So was Bailey Falter for maybe a couple of months, 531 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 4: and so you got to give him, you gotta give 532 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 4: him a little love. Now, at some point the team 533 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 4: started to adjust on him and he was struggled to 534 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: throw strikes. 535 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 5: But but I mean he contributed, and it takes you know, 536 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: takes a village. 537 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like remember Vance Worley in twenty eleven, 538 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: he really stepped up. A fuss went on, right, Kyle Kendrick. 539 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: And Blant and those kind of guys, I mean, you know, contributors. Yeah. 540 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: Important. 541 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: That Pittsburgh team is a good Team's surprising. 542 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: Yeahburgh, they're playing baseball if they stay healthy, they are. 543 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: And then the schedule, my gosh, there's some you know, 544 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 3: some red meat on that schedule that coming into Philly 545 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: after the Pirates. That I mean, you don't want to 546 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: look ahead, and you never want a short sight or 547 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: underestimate a major league ball club. They're major league players. 548 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: But you know, the White Sox a lot of injuries. 549 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: Rockies aren't really there yet. Kind of a chance to 550 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: make a little hay no. 551 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 2: Oh yes, and should listen. Let's let's call what it is. 552 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 5: The Phildelpia Billies talent wise, maybe not as much with 553 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 5: the Pittsburgh Pirates because the Pittsburgh parents have some. 554 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: Talented young players, but they don't have the experience on. 555 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 5: They're a better club than all these clubs, and they 556 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 5: should do some damage against these clubs. 557 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: But this is baseball. They got to play good baseball. 558 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: One of the concerns I've had about all. 559 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 5: These expectations is that sometimes, you know, mentally, you start thinking, oh, 560 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 5: we're going to They're going to the playoffs. 561 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: They're definitely going to the playoffs. Even before the season started, 562 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: Oh this is a playoff team. Well, you have to 563 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: play to be a playoff team. You got to play 564 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: well enough to be a playoff team. 565 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 5: And even though they have great veterans, it's a good group. 566 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 5: There's something in that psyche. I think that sometimes people go, man, we're. 567 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: Gonna be okay. 568 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 8: Well, you gotta be okay. Before you're okay, right, you 569 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 8: gotta play, and so that that, you know, that's you know, 570 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 8: something that people have to be a little lerier. 571 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: Friday n at the debut The City Connects. What do 572 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: you guys think of those? 573 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 2: You know what? 574 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 5: I think the color scheme is actually not bad. I mean, listen, 575 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 5: it's not I I didn't really understand the concept until 576 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: I started to the now understand the concept. The concept 577 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: is it's a connection to the city, not the team. 578 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 5: And so there's no red, there's no maroon, there's no 579 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 5: So the color scheme and all that stuff that's based 580 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 5: on the city, the love patch, the writing about you know, constitution, 581 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 5: you know, the font on it and stuff like that, 582 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 5: and the flag, the Philadelphia flag and all that stuff. 583 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: That's the color scheme. I mean, if you look at 584 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: it in that context context, that's okay. You know, they 585 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: have the hats are kind of cool. I like the 586 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: love that. 587 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: I think the hats are very. 588 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, it's just an adjustment in your 589 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 5: eyes and your thought process, you know. 590 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: And the color goes back to the blue and gold 591 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: when the Swedish colonized Philadelphia I think in the sixteen hundreds. Really, yeah, 592 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: the Swedish folks were here. So in honor of that, 593 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 3: I believe Matt Sundan is gonna throw out the first pick. 594 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: This is the second week you mentioned a hockey player 595 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: on the pod. 596 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: He's a big hockey guy. 597 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh my lord, you. 598 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: Can't take it out of the out of the hockey guy. 599 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: I think people know. 600 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 5: You can take him out of New England, but you 601 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: can't take the New England out of jem people. 602 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I think people know this, Jim. Maybe not. But when 603 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: there's Raindolay's at the ballpark, you'll look over and see 604 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: what Jimmy's watching it. And he's a swear to guy. 605 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: He's watching clips in like nineteen fifty hockey highlights on YouTube. 606 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: He's just going through goalis with no masks or goalies 607 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: with like a little like paper, you know, like a 608 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: cardboard mask over their face. Guys just pularizing. When that's 609 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: how Jim Salisbury spends his time. 610 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: Jim, do you like fights in the NHL or do 611 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: you not like that? 612 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: I like him in terms of I don't like him, 613 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: but I understand him in terms of account of you know, 614 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, almost like a pitcher taking. 615 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Control of the good. 616 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 617 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: I think if you've got a guy running around taking 618 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: shots at people, it helps. I mean, I'm not gonna 619 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: lie to you. I growing up watching hockey in the 620 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, and I used to I mean, I 621 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: listened to Chris Nyland's podcast, I love it, and he 622 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: was an enforcer for the Canadians and play with the Bruins, 623 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: and uh, I think it was part of the game, 624 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: and I think it can still serve a purpose as 625 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: a way of policing the game. I'd hate to see 626 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: it taken out, but fighting for the sake of fighting 627 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: is I'm not in favor of that. And I'm also 628 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: in favor of some of the new rules because it 629 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 3: allows the smaller, speedier guy not to be uh, to 630 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: have a place in the game and show off skill 631 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: because you know, the skill level is incredible, and that's 632 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: to me, where where the bread is buttered showing off 633 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: the skill. So uh, you know, uh, everything in balance, 634 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: Rube and everything in balance. 635 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: I had a good fight every once in a while, 636 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: A good fight every once. 637 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: In a while. 638 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like like when Stan Jonathan took out Pierre Bouchard. 639 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: One of the highlights of my life. 640 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go at the Google these guys. I have 641 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: to see if I can find this fight. 642 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, yeah, Stan Jonathan took out Pierre Bouchard. Uh, 643 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: I mean, and it sent a message. It was you know, 644 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Ruben's good friend, Paul Holmgren, you know, you 645 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: know how to take care. 646 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 5: Of business, Dicky Knowles, you know Buzz George Brett. 647 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: George Brett, I did a story on that when I 648 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: worked at the Inquirer, really dove deep at Todd likes 649 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: to like. 650 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 2: To say and talked to Bratt. 651 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: I talked to Knowles, Bratt and uh boy, and everybody 652 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: flat out said it changed the series. It changed it, 653 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 3: took that series and turned it around. 654 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of writing, as we wrap this up, Jim Salisbury 655 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: is going to be making a return to the press 656 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: box next week, right, yeah, PHL Why I'm going to 657 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: be a contributor to a PHL y. This is very 658 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: very exciting to see you back. 659 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, doing a little writing, Hell yeah, with the cause 660 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: just a little bit, just a little bit, you know, 661 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 3: all right, all right, just to weep it. And but 662 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: I still, you know, enjoy watching Ruben on NBC Sports 663 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: Philly and hearing him on WP and reading all your 664 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: stuff on MLB dot com. So it's a beautiful world. 665 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful world. It's a beautiful game. Guys. We'll 666 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: do this next week. Appreciate it. Thank you so much 667 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: for listening and watching The Philly Show. We are also 668 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: on YouTube watching The Philly Show until next week. Thanks everybody. 669 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: Smell your Lad Ruben smell yeah.