Speaker 1: All right, the outimos back in the air, Kimbo Camper,
Speaker 1: John could gem me with you and John to uh
Speaker 1: two preseason games in the book and just to kind
Speaker 1: of quick look back at at the game against Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay and before I before we get into the game
Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay, Um, John, I was really really the
Speaker 1: more and more I see these group, these these these
Speaker 1: teams practicing against each other, the more I think there's
Speaker 1: more value in those those practices then they are the
Speaker 1: games just because the intensity, the matchups. You can you
Speaker 1: can create the matchups you want. You can see guys
Speaker 1: against guys you want in the intensities there a little
Speaker 1: bit and you're playing against other I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: could do with one preseason game a couple of you
Speaker 1: get the season rolling, you know, I think I think
Speaker 1: the guys I think for the most part of the
Speaker 1: other than the mechanics are going through a game. You
Speaker 1: know if your rookies and you know where he's sitting,
Speaker 1: all that. Other than that stuff, man, I just thing.
Speaker 1: I think the work you get out of those practice
Speaker 1: sessions a far out way what you get in a game,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that it's a game situation and
Speaker 1: you go through that, I agree, and I think the
Speaker 1: coaches would agree. I think sometimes the fans would agree.
Speaker 1: You know, in Tampa it was kind of weird because
Speaker 1: the weather was not great, you know, so they had
Speaker 1: to go inside, outside, back to the indoor facility. But
Speaker 1: the fans that were there, Dolphin fans and Bucks fans,
Speaker 1: I think they really got into the practices, you know,
Speaker 1: because you had one on ones going on one field,
Speaker 1: you had some line drills going on the other, you
Speaker 1: had running backs against linebackers, you had dbs going against
Speaker 1: white outs. The quarterbacks were throwing, and it was a
Speaker 1: constant you know, your head was on a swivel, so
Speaker 1: you were constantly watching football. You're constantly evaluating your team
Speaker 1: against somebody you really don't know and something you really
Speaker 1: haven't seen and studied. So I think the players enjoyed
Speaker 1: it too, because it ratchets up their intensity for a practice.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's mundane sometimes when you go through
Speaker 1: training camp and you're gonna see the same schedule and
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Now, it could be the same
Speaker 1: schedule the Dolphins had for two weeks at training camp
Speaker 1: that they rolled out against the Bucks, but it looked
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot different going against a different
Speaker 1: colored jersey, different techniques, and it's your team against another team.
Speaker 1: And I think that it just sets the mind, uh
Speaker 1: for for regular season games. It sets your your tempo
Speaker 1: for a regular season game. You get kind of amped
Speaker 1: up to go to practice on a daily basis against
Speaker 1: somebody else because you're trying to prove that what you've
Speaker 1: done for the last couple of weeks is good enough
Speaker 1: to stay in the National Football Leagues. Stay on your grosser,
Speaker 1: find a place on your fifty three, and eventually work
Speaker 1: your way onto the field. Yeah. And if you're I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this, John, And because unfortunately I've been to
Speaker 1: I've probably been just probably about the fifth or sixth
Speaker 1: time I've gone to these uh where. I remember we
Speaker 1: went to Tennessee. I went to Carolina, Carolina a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. So we have there's been an amful
Speaker 1: of times I've been and and and I only remember
Speaker 1: one time. I think Tampa may came down here one time.
Speaker 1: I'm in practice here. It's the only time we've done
Speaker 1: joint practices down here in South Florida. And so every
Speaker 1: time I've been on the road and and and I
Speaker 1: always come away thinking, man, that was fun because you're
Speaker 1: just immersed in football and wherever you go. You're staying
Speaker 1: at the team hotel, you know, so you're seeing the
Speaker 1: guys there, you're seeing coaches or you see him, you know,
Speaker 1: guys that are associated with it. And then you go
Speaker 1: to practice and you know, you go there and there's
Speaker 1: guys in Tampa that you know, or you guys playing there,
Speaker 1: or coaches that you know, and and and and even
Speaker 1: just watching you know, everywhere you go, you're just talking
Speaker 1: football and you're talking details, and you're looking at all
Speaker 1: this stuff. And and if you're a football fan, it
Speaker 1: really is a I just I'm like in heaven when
Speaker 1: I when I go to those things. It was fun.
Speaker 1: I came away with a smile, you know, because it
Speaker 1: was real. It felt it felt like the ray, It
Speaker 1: felt like you're building up to a regular season game.
Speaker 1: It felt like the intensity was so much different. And
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, if you asked the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay coaching staff, I think they got just as
Speaker 1: much out of it as you know, the Dolphins coaches.
Speaker 1: Because they had only been outside three times times because
Speaker 1: of weather. You know, they'd been inside for the entire
Speaker 1: training camp really, and it didn't matter what time of
Speaker 1: day they were trying to get outside, the lightning delays
Speaker 1: and rain delays. It was just you know, brutal for
Speaker 1: those guys. But I really think the Dolphins, when you
Speaker 1: look at them going up against Tampa Bay that Tuesday
Speaker 1: and Wednesday practice, they got more out of that, Just
Speaker 1: as much out of that as any training camp practice
Speaker 1: that you could have had in South Florida, you know,
Speaker 1: no question about it. So let's let's get a move
Speaker 1: on over to the game. And John, you look back
Speaker 1: in the game, uh quickly, you know, thumbs up, thumbs down?
Speaker 1: Who who? Who looked good? The big st surprise to
Speaker 1: me obviously. And John, we did the pregame show for
Speaker 1: CBS four prior to the game, and well, we're kind
Speaker 1: of jockeying around, you know. You know, I think we're
Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see a little bit maybe
Speaker 1: of that New England philosophy of information flow. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you could call it a flow, you can
Speaker 1: call it a coach flow. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: flow is coming flow there, because you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: kind of you're kind of looking, you're kind of evaluating
Speaker 1: and and you know, you kind of, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: talk to somebody here and you get and I was
Speaker 1: so I was so off, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: was gonna play. How about our conversation prior to us
Speaker 1: going on air, or maybe while we were on air,
Speaker 1: We're going, well, you know, Kenyan Drake's out, so that
Speaker 1: is gonna be up. He's gonna get a lot of working.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, we're looking the street clubs
Speaker 1: and you're expecting him to get a lot of carries,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just you know, I'm going you know,
Speaker 1: your tounchel, you know, I don't think he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: And then there he is in the starting line up,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had we had kind of heard
Speaker 1: basically listening to the pregame show rehearsal for for for
Speaker 1: Channel four for Greece and Dick Stockton and Jason Taylor
Speaker 1: and they kind of come out and they're like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: uh it looks like, you know, it looks like, uh,
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick is gonna start. And we're kind of throwing
Speaker 1: out Josh Rosen because he had practiced all week and
Speaker 1: got all the work with the ones in the second
Speaker 1: practice and and so you you kinda kind of had
Speaker 1: the feeling that that was gonna be case. So we're all, yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like Josh Rosen doesn't and then and then
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, I mean Ryan Fitzpatrick and okay,
Speaker 1: so we go at that, and then two minutes later, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a job. So we look like assholes
Speaker 1: out there. But you know, it wasn't the first time.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the last time that that's for sure. Hey,
Speaker 1: hey joined us now, Sam, Sam and Bobbin and Sam.
Speaker 1: First thing, you know, I'm trying to make sure I
Speaker 1: pronounce your name right because I've heard your name pronouncing
Speaker 1: about a thousand different ways since you got here. But
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on the on the program. Uh,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Well, look, it's great, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's great for us to have you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: for you, it's great to be in this training camp
Speaker 1: and uh and going through everything, especially getting the opportunities
Speaker 1: that you're getting to on the practice field in the games.
Speaker 1: But man, you're you're rude. Your rude has been one
Speaker 1: of those very It's funny because you know, the last
Speaker 1: player that came here and made an impact from playing
Speaker 1: to the Canadian Football League was Cam Wake. His story
Speaker 1: very very familiar, very similar to years although you know,
Speaker 1: he goes in and gets gets a tryout, doesn't make it,
Speaker 1: he's out of football and goes to Canada, comes back
Speaker 1: very pretty much the same thing. You don't want you
Speaker 1: to take us through your path to the to the
Speaker 1: National Football League in the Miami offense and were there
Speaker 1: times during there where you just saw, man, this this
Speaker 1: just isn't gonna happen. Oh yeah, definitely. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: coming out of college, I'm seeing other guys, you know,
Speaker 1: get NFL opportunities, guys that I didn't even really think
Speaker 1: we're that great of players. So I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: mean things like everybody gets an NFL opportunity, but now
Speaker 1: everybody makes it. So you know, after the draft and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody was calling my phone, no teams, you know,
Speaker 1: not even Dallas and I'm from Dallas, you know, so
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, hit me really hard. And
Speaker 1: then you know, I ended up graduating that made from
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and then after that, I was just seeing
Speaker 1: what else life had to offer. I'm still working out
Speaker 1: and everything, but you know, I kind of knew that
Speaker 1: my football window was closing. So after that, I just
Speaker 1: started working in Foot Action. It's a company under foot Locker,
Speaker 1: working back in Dallas, Texas. So I was there for
Speaker 1: about five months, just you know, just hustling selling shoes
Speaker 1: and things like that. And I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's time for me to like try and get a
Speaker 1: real career. So my major in college was sociology slash criminology,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to go into a law enforcement So,
Speaker 1: you know, I signed up with the Dallas p D.
Speaker 1: I was there for about almost two weeks and then uh,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff got real. Yeah, so I found out
Speaker 1: real quick that that wasn't for me. And then, uh
Speaker 1: it was around January when I decided to try and
Speaker 1: get back into football. I was always in shape, so
Speaker 1: I started thinking about trying to redo my pro day
Speaker 1: and Texas Tech. And then a lot of people were
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, the scouts are not gonna like you,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're a year round and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance. You need to get a
Speaker 1: recent film. So I was like, well, let me play
Speaker 1: in a different league. So I looked up CFL tryouts
Speaker 1: online and whatever. The first team that was gonna come
Speaker 1: to Dallas. I was gonna go to that trial. So
Speaker 1: it's a team called Saskatchewan. Like when I read it,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the spirits just like you can't
Speaker 1: say my last name. So I was just like, whatever,
Speaker 1: this green team. I'm going boom, Carrollton, Texas, Let's go.
Speaker 1: So I pull up there. It's a hundred dollars to
Speaker 1: try out. So I get there, I'm draped out and texts,
Speaker 1: text stuff because I'm thinking like, oh, if I wear
Speaker 1: all my college stuff, that probably yeah, that's probably gonna
Speaker 1: let me go through the back door instead of the
Speaker 1: front door. So I get there, it's like three hundred guys.
Speaker 1: Then some of them were draped down their college clothes,
Speaker 1: some of them had NFL clothes on, and some of
Speaker 1: them had high school clothes on, like high school um apparel.
Speaker 1: So I was just like damn. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in the line getting ready to get my registration number
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, pay my hundred dollars. I have
Speaker 1: my highlight tap with me. So I get up there. Uh,
Speaker 1: coach Jones is right there. I was a head coach there,
Speaker 1: So boom, I give him a hundred dollars out hand
Speaker 1: him a highlight tate. He grabbed it. What's back on
Speaker 1: stack of a whole bunch of the highlight texts. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: he gives me my number, you know, and then uh,
Speaker 1: I go through the workouts or something number like that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like I can't remember my number. Man. I think
Speaker 1: my dad still remembers my because he was there with me.
Speaker 1: And then I did the workout. I was just doing
Speaker 1: one on ones against receivers and running backs. And you
Speaker 1: know when the CFL they got the waggle, so that
Speaker 1: was new to me. I'm like, yo, what like, you know,
Speaker 1: my first rep, the receiver comes running at me. I'm
Speaker 1: like that's false start. But I was like okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I ended up locking some boys up, and then uh,
Speaker 1: they extended a contract to me. I went to mini
Speaker 1: camp in April, basically had to do the same thing
Speaker 1: all over again to you know, get invited to training camp.
Speaker 1: And then from there, you know, I was in the
Speaker 1: CFL and you know, just started competing for a starting job.
Speaker 1: I got it my first year, played six games to
Speaker 1: my m CL my the six game that I played,
Speaker 1: so that at that point I was like I don't
Speaker 1: know if football is gonna work like this because I
Speaker 1: hurt my senior in college. My next year playing ball again,
Speaker 1: I get hurt season ending. So at that point I
Speaker 1: was like I really couldn't see the light. At the
Speaker 1: end of the time, I was like, man, the NFL
Speaker 1: is so far away, Like why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: But you know, once you're in the locker room, you
Speaker 1: start building the brotherhood with some guys. You know. I
Speaker 1: met a couple of guys out there in Canada. They
Speaker 1: told me to keep pushing. Man, I got potential. Uh
Speaker 1: Philip Lalley, that was my linebacker coach. He told me
Speaker 1: to keep pushing, come back the next year. Um, and
Speaker 1: I messed my ankle up in the all season, I
Speaker 1: saw I was playing basketball mess my ankle up trying
Speaker 1: to dunk. So I came into training camp injured. My
Speaker 1: my second year, now I saw the rotating with the
Speaker 1: guy that came back from the NFL. So then my
Speaker 1: second year was just kind of up and down. And
Speaker 1: then um, I knew for sure I was going to
Speaker 1: come back for my third year because you know, in
Speaker 1: the CFL you gotta play. Yeah, yeah, it's not your option.
Speaker 1: Though I've basically, so if you play good football for them,
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep you. But if you're not playing good,
Speaker 1: you know, you kicked rocks. So then my third year
Speaker 1: I came in and you know, that's why I really
Speaker 1: just bought into the CFL, because I started the whole
Speaker 1: time I was in the CFL, I was looking at
Speaker 1: the NFL like, oh, I want to go I want
Speaker 1: to go to the league. I want to go to
Speaker 1: the league. And you know, that kind of messed me
Speaker 1: up because I'm looking too far down the road. So
Speaker 1: I just started taking exactly, I started taking them one
Speaker 1: day at a time. So last year, two th eighteen,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you anything about NFL football. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch the games will be on. I'll just nah,
Speaker 1: let me go watch an Ottawa Red Black game in
Speaker 1: Montreal all away game. Like I fully locked into the
Speaker 1: CFL that I didn't know what was going on in
Speaker 1: the outside world, just focusing on the task. And here
Speaker 1: I had one of my best seasons. You know, I
Speaker 1: killed it out there, and then uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs. We lost the first round of
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and then right after that, uh started my
Speaker 1: NFL workouts, Like I say a week or so after
Speaker 1: the season, so I was just going on tour. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about like maybe I had a daybreak in between
Speaker 1: each workout. So I walked knocked out about twelve, twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen workouts within within a month. I say, so yeah.
Speaker 1: And then, um, Miami was the first place that I
Speaker 1: came that I visited. I loved it here Chris Greer,
Speaker 1: I mean that was really the only person I can meet.
Speaker 1: You know, I met the linebacker coach or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you know they're on their way out. But uh, Chris Greer,
Speaker 1: we got closer whatever. And I mean I love to
Speaker 1: hear from from the start. And then when it came
Speaker 1: down to it in January, January when I was able
Speaker 1: to sign, you know, Miami was that was that was
Speaker 1: pretty much where I wanted to be with a lot
Speaker 1: of chapters, you know, to get to the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: And now you're here, do you really how much of
Speaker 1: a change was it when you had a you know,
Speaker 1: adapt to the twelve guys, unlimited motion, a lot of
Speaker 1: space and now you're do you feel confined as a
Speaker 1: linebacker trying to go back and I feel like you're
Speaker 1: in college, but now that's you know, it's bigger, faster,
Speaker 1: stronger too. Yeah, definitely. Uh. You know the CFL, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of spread formations and the field is huge,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't so much twenty one personnel eleven personnel, Like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't condensed. Everything was spaced out. But now it's
Speaker 1: like I'm in a boxing Like all my movement has
Speaker 1: to be correct now, like my read's gotta be faster angles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more run here than it was in the CFL.
Speaker 1: You know, there's three downs out there, so if you
Speaker 1: run our first down, we stop you for a two
Speaker 1: yard game. Now it's second and eight. Now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: screen draw, you know, I'm gonna through all that. But
Speaker 1: when we stopped on second, that war off the field.
Speaker 1: But now it's so much more to the game because
Speaker 1: there's four downs. You know, they used tight ends, fullbacks,
Speaker 1: so you know, um during O T A S I
Speaker 1: was excelling um because it was pretty much passed. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll catch a pick here and there. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not running a Wong got pads on. But at a
Speaker 1: training camp starting then, I was like, Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: whole new ball game. There's more hitting and you know,
Speaker 1: fitting in on the runs and stuff. So uh it
Speaker 1: took me a little while to adapt to that. And
Speaker 1: then uh, you know, from there, like PG Man, he
Speaker 1: really just broke everything down to us, like where to
Speaker 1: fit on runs and how we're gonna play the run here.
Speaker 1: And then the first game I played, I was just
Speaker 1: like I was talking to everybody back home. They're all
Speaker 1: blowing my phone up black, I can't believe your NFL.
Speaker 1: You worked so hard, and you know, it's uh kind
Speaker 1: of a sentimental moment for me, but it was like
Speaker 1: I still gotta play football, like I gotta put a
Speaker 1: good film out there. So then, I mean, my first
Speaker 1: game really didn't do much. But then the second game,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm not talking to anybody
Speaker 1: back home before this game, Like I'm focusing on this
Speaker 1: game and that's it. Like I'm a football player. I'm
Speaker 1: here to play and play good. It seems like you're
Speaker 1: experiencing the in the CFL. Probably benefited you through O
Speaker 1: t s and mini camps and stuff because of the
Speaker 1: throwing game. Because you're you're playing in a wide open space,
Speaker 1: you're having to cover. You haven't do all those types
Speaker 1: of things. And I would assume that's probably what caught
Speaker 1: your caught the coaches at first, with your ability to
Speaker 1: cover and do those types of things, and with the
Speaker 1: type of d offense they're playing now, it seems like
Speaker 1: what they're going to maybe not the biggest linebackers, but
Speaker 1: more agile guys that can run, guys that can cover.
Speaker 1: Kind of fits right right in your deal. And then
Speaker 1: in week two, you're right, you can see a step
Speaker 1: up and filling holes and doing all those types of things.
Speaker 1: So you kind of you that that that experience that
Speaker 1: you got in Canada, especially from a cover standpoint, it
Speaker 1: really seems to me from just watching from the outside,
Speaker 1: got your foot in the door and now you're just
Speaker 1: kind of picking up the pace of the rest of
Speaker 1: the game. It looks like you're feeling pretty uncomfortable out there. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, especially getting a good game like that. I
Speaker 1: like seeing myself do good and that that bill is
Speaker 1: confidence that bills. You know, you're getting comfortable. Well, don't
Speaker 1: like using word comfortable. You never want to be You
Speaker 1: want to be comfortable being uncomfortable, but definitely add more
Speaker 1: confidence now, you know moving forward, Uh, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm more vocal on the team getting more respect or
Speaker 1: do you feel like you belong, which is probably the
Speaker 1: most important thing, right for a guy like you that's
Speaker 1: kind of bounced around and you get in, maybe you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you belong. There's an insigency. You gotta
Speaker 1: feel like belong. You belong so you can jump in
Speaker 1: and just let it fly. Yeah, definitely. When I first
Speaker 1: came out of here, you know, I just kind of
Speaker 1: kept to myself and I was like, look, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do my job. And then you know, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: my job when I'm here, and once they cut us free,
Speaker 1: I'm going home and I'm getting my playbook. And you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really socialize much for most of the guns,
Speaker 1: but you know, in training camp, you don't really have
Speaker 1: no choice. Well up here from sun up to sundown something,
Speaker 1: that's when you really build that bond, that brotherhood. And uh, definitely,
Speaker 1: just feeling comfortable to make checks and make calls, especially
Speaker 1: at the lineback position. You gotta be able to do that.
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to communicate with everybody on the field.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm stepping up and taking that
Speaker 1: role now. Well, you know, you're the quarterback of the defense, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're have you have to play with
Speaker 1: extreme confidence. And it seems like not only from training camp,
Speaker 1: but from week one to week two. I mean, you
Speaker 1: did it just about everything in Tampa. You had an
Speaker 1: open field tackle on special teams, he had to tackle
Speaker 1: for lost. You had a strip you know, he had
Speaker 1: a force fumble, you had multiple tack was in and
Speaker 1: around the line of scrimmage. Is comfort and confidence go
Speaker 1: together for you because you're getting more familiar with the defense,
Speaker 1: what the expectations are from the coordinators, to your linebacker,
Speaker 1: coach and coach Leonard, and and and and now playing
Speaker 1: that confidence is coming through for you. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Confidence is huge because you know the play The coaches
Speaker 1: they bring it in guys for a reason because they've
Speaker 1: they've seen what you did in college. Like they've seen
Speaker 1: you know what Baker Dinn college, seen what everyone minka
Speaker 1: then in college, and then they put them in a
Speaker 1: system to where they're like, I need you to play
Speaker 1: like this, you know, But then as the player, you
Speaker 1: have to understand the playbook inside and out. Then get
Speaker 1: to your athleticism. And you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: everybody's athletic and the NFL or you wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much what I did. In game two.
Speaker 1: I really just dove into my playbook, you know, started
Speaker 1: watching film more, and then I started tweaking, Okay, how
Speaker 1: can I get in on this player? How can I
Speaker 1: get in the back field on that play? And that's
Speaker 1: just every football player thinks like that. You know, you
Speaker 1: get to play and then you're okay, I think I'll
Speaker 1: be able to beat this guy backside. And that's that's
Speaker 1: basically all I did. Um in Gangs, from the looks
Speaker 1: of this defense and what this defense is gonna be
Speaker 1: going forward, um for you to come in, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a multi scheme defense. I mean, you've got a
Speaker 1: different personnel. I think in the first series or two
Speaker 1: there was a three man line, four man line kind
Speaker 1: of had it over. You had a lot of different
Speaker 1: looks up front there, and everyone those different looks kind
Speaker 1: of changes what your assignments are. So so from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty complex defense to understand with all the
Speaker 1: changes going on, especially you know, in your first year
Speaker 1: within it with his new coaching staff. But although I
Speaker 1: guess everyone else is out there is going through the
Speaker 1: same thing because it's it's new for them too. But
Speaker 1: for you all those changes, how have you been able
Speaker 1: to handle understanding all the different things because typically back
Speaker 1: and olda Hello, you're lining them in a three four,
Speaker 1: you're line for three and that's what you do every down. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta look every time, count how many
Speaker 1: defense line in there are, and you know what defense
Speaker 1: they're in here in this play and that play, and
Speaker 1: so it makes it much more complimated for everybody out
Speaker 1: there to be on the same Yeah, definitely, And that's
Speaker 1: why we have the great coaching stuff that we have now.
Speaker 1: You know, Petrock Graham, we have a lot of defensive fronts,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a D line coach by heart.
Speaker 1: But he addresses it to us and teaches it to
Speaker 1: us in a way that we can carpet, uh, compartmentalize
Speaker 1: it where we could just break it down like, okay,
Speaker 1: when we're in this, this is what it's really like.
Speaker 1: You know, they really break it down to where it's
Speaker 1: almost the same thing, but it just looks different from
Speaker 1: from the offensive uh perspective, so that it's really just
Speaker 1: the coaching and then us as players just talking and
Speaker 1: understanding where everybody's fitting. Uh, going an offense. Looking at
Speaker 1: it, it it looks really difficult, like it looks confusing. But
Speaker 1: as a defense, you know, one guy little tweaks. Yeah, okay, Sam'
Speaker 1: gonna make you laugh a little bit. So I'm playing
Speaker 1: in Toronto in the Canadian Football League. My first away
Speaker 1: trip is to Saskatchewan eighty seven. So imagine what that
Speaker 1: city looked like back then. Okay, So we're flying and
Speaker 1: we're about ready to land, and I looked to my left.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the left side of the plane, and
Speaker 1: I don't see anything. There's no city, there's nothing. I
Speaker 1: looked to my right, there's no city, there's nothing. I
Speaker 1: think the plane's going down because I'm going theeld. There's
Speaker 1: nothing there. So all of a sudden, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys go, don't worry. You know, there's a little city
Speaker 1: down down there. Saskatchewan's right there. So we land and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, I thought we were going down.
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to go instead like two buildings downtown. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's this like one little bar in the corner. We
Speaker 1: go there for like a pre you know, I'm the rookie,
Speaker 1: so I'm paying for everything, right, I got no money,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to borrow money from one of
Speaker 1: my linemen. It was a vet, but it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where Saskatchewan was such a I would
Speaker 1: imagine it was a cool place to play as the
Speaker 1: home team because the crowd was so supportive of of
Speaker 1: what you did while you were there. Definitely, John, the
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan is I mean, there's no place like it. Not
Speaker 1: to knock them, but you know, there's pretty much nothing
Speaker 1: but there's the stadium and tayloryed I played a Taylor
Speaker 1: one year. Yeah, the New Mosaic is beautiful. You know,
Speaker 1: you got the stadium, you got the Casino Regina. Those
Speaker 1: are the two places that those are the two places
Speaker 1: that you can go out there. So um, that's probably
Speaker 1: why how easy it was for me to stay. Fully,
Speaker 1: ain't nothing to do after price but go home and
Speaker 1: watch your open And you know a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a lot of my teammates back in Saskatchewan, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: you're going to Miami. That's probably the worst place you're
Speaker 1: going to. Like you don't lose your mind. No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a little little little cult. Sam. We appreciate your
Speaker 1: stopping by. Uh, and it's been great watching your progress,
Speaker 1: your progress since you got here. Just keep going, man,
Speaker 1: you're doing you're doing what you need to do and
Speaker 1: keeping fun to watch and uh and this defensive scheme
Speaker 1: seems to really fit your your skill level. So it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch you here going going forward.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you stopping by and uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: nice here and your your story. You know, anybody that
Speaker 1: stays with it and stays with it and gets through
Speaker 1: it and gets to where you are. But it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it takes a lot of intestinal fortitude and
Speaker 1: a lot of toughness. So I applaud you for that.
Speaker 1: Good man. You know, it's always it's always good John,
Speaker 1: always good to see guys come in and you know,
Speaker 1: not everybody. You know, it's funny when you talk to
Speaker 1: people and uh, you know, you and I kind of
Speaker 1: both two different paths to our professional careers. And you know,
Speaker 1: small with a small schools and this and that, and
Speaker 1: you know, and you've got a guy like Sam or
Speaker 1: or Cam Wade and these guys and and you see
Speaker 1: these stories every year where guys just you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're hanging on. They're hanging on by the edge and
Speaker 1: and something clicks when they get someplace. And and you
Speaker 1: know when you when they signed Sam, I go, look,
Speaker 1: they can't strike gold in the Canadian football twice twice
Speaker 1: in a row. But you know, and look he's still
Speaker 1: say I'm still got a long way to go. He's
Speaker 1: still you know, it's still two more preseason games. And
Speaker 1: look we we've seen, you know, we take a look
Speaker 1: at uh, Preston Williams, you know, who had that really
Speaker 1: good game one. It comes back to earth in game two,
Speaker 1: and and so you know, it's it's tough for a
Speaker 1: guy for it's tough for guys like that, especially if
Speaker 1: they're undrafted free agents come in and you kind of
Speaker 1: have some success and then you kind of maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe a relax a little bit, and you shoot, I
Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. I don't want to have another
Speaker 1: one of those those. But it's good to see. And
Speaker 1: he looks since really since training camp has started, he's
Speaker 1: he's been in there every day. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: not like it's they're they're testing him out of certain position.
Speaker 1: That guy has been in the starting eleven defense from
Speaker 1: the you know, first day of training camp, you know,
Speaker 1: you really didn't know. And with the injuries at linebacker,
Speaker 1: Kiko hasn't practiced or played, Quon hasn't practiced or played.
Speaker 1: You know, you got you know, Rashad, who plays a
Speaker 1: different position, hasn't been out there. Van Ginkle, you know,
Speaker 1: was out during Tampa Bay. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: uncertainty at the linebacker position. And you have a guy
Speaker 1: that's taken advantage of his reps and his opportunity and
Speaker 1: can do a little bit of everything and not do
Speaker 1: it pretty well, he's doing it really well. So it
Speaker 1: gives you some confidence that there's guys on this roster.
Speaker 1: You might not know their names, you might not be
Speaker 1: familiar with how they play, but you watch him a
Speaker 1: couple of games or a few weeks of practice, and
Speaker 1: you go, this isn't a one flash in the pan.
Speaker 1: You know, It's funny. I was talking to a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine out who's a down the Bay area, and
Speaker 1: you know, forty forty fan We're talking and just talking
Speaker 1: about players and this and that, and you know, you
Speaker 1: scratch your head with as much money as the National
Speaker 1: Football League and teams spend on you know, researching, scouting
Speaker 1: and digging into everything about these guys, and and then
Speaker 1: you'll see a guy come in and you know, you
Speaker 1: see a guy drafted in the You know, I remember,
Speaker 1: I tell I, I remember when I came in. I
Speaker 1: played against it. I played in the East West Shrine
Speaker 1: game against a kid from Wisconsin. He was a big talent,
Speaker 1: big ten offensive Linement of the Year, Outline Trophy winner.
Speaker 1: He end up getting drafted like the ear and forth
Speaker 1: picking the draft, you know, and and you know I'm
Speaker 1: playing against him in the East West Shrine game, right
Speaker 1: and I'm going down. I'm you know, winn All American,
Speaker 1: this and that, and you know, I just went through
Speaker 1: ten games playing a Long Beach State, University of Pacific,
Speaker 1: Fresno State. You know I'm going, I'm going and this
Speaker 1: is a whole different ball. I got. After two downs,
Speaker 1: I come over. I remember Larry Gordon, who ended up
Speaker 1: being the Office draft both of us at the same
Speaker 1: you know, he was one. It was two picks after him,
Speaker 1: and I know Middlary and you know the game. So
Speaker 1: and I come out, I go, Larry, I go, this
Speaker 1: guy can't play. This guy, this guy can't this guy
Speaker 1: can't play and he was out of the league in
Speaker 1: a couple of years, And you go, how can they
Speaker 1: be that wrong? How can they missing a guy like
Speaker 1: that in the flip side? How do you miss in
Speaker 1: a cam wake? How do you miss on a Sam
Speaker 1: aguav And how do you miss on these guys that
Speaker 1: slipped through the cracks and then finally kind of emerged
Speaker 1: somehow or another, they kind of the they pa back
Speaker 1: in the next thing, you know, you know for camp standpon.
Speaker 1: You guys have five or six time Pro Bowl right,
Speaker 1: you know Holds, you know, one of the one of
Speaker 1: the great pass rushers in the early history during his time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and here you got a guy like Sam who
Speaker 1: who now that he's in here, but you see his
Speaker 1: skill level, you see, and you just scratch and go,
Speaker 1: how can you miss on that guy? You know? It's
Speaker 1: funny too because not knowing his history, not knowing you
Speaker 1: know that he hurt his knee one year and then
Speaker 1: he got to Canada and blew out his angle before
Speaker 1: he got there, what may have limited his exposure, you know,
Speaker 1: And and then he's out of football. You know, he's
Speaker 1: going to be a Dallas policeman. And then he's out
Speaker 1: of football for a little bit. So you know, you
Speaker 1: guys that you have to really give credit to the
Speaker 1: determination and the will of guys that know what they
Speaker 1: can be and have the confidence of them belief in themselves.
Speaker 1: They just need that opportunity to keep going. And he did.
Speaker 1: He found a way to get back into football and
Speaker 1: that led him to the National Football League and now
Speaker 1: he's got a chance to be a starting linebacker for
Speaker 1: the Minami Doll. Yeah. I don't know who the guy,
Speaker 1: I forget the guys. He's one of those guys, the
Speaker 1: motivational guy sales ext mean, he's he's not like, I
Speaker 1: forget his name, but he's one of like the when
Speaker 1: you when you're a salesperson. He's like the guy that
Speaker 1: he's like the motivating the motivating guy. And he always said,
Speaker 1: you know, they never mean it, never, they never mean
Speaker 1: no until they say it seven times, you know, in
Speaker 1: other words, don't stop keep going, keep pitching, keep pitching,
Speaker 1: keep pitching, and eventually, you know, after seven times, then okay, walk.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of similar to these guys where they
Speaker 1: get they know, you can't play in this league, No,
Speaker 1: you can't play in this like no, you can't play
Speaker 1: this league. But they've got somehow they there's that something
Speaker 1: in their mind it says, well, I'm gonna keep I
Speaker 1: know I can play. I'm gonna keep giving a shot
Speaker 1: until I get there. And boy, you really have to
Speaker 1: applaud guys that that have that wherewithal within keep going
Speaker 1: and find a way on this roster. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not easy. It's not an easy road. You know, you
Speaker 1: hear Sam story, you talk about Cam story. It's not
Speaker 1: an easy it's it's not for the faint of heart
Speaker 1: and for lacking of confidence in yourself. And you have
Speaker 1: to give credit, you know, all credit to guys like
Speaker 1: that that keep been during whether it's injury, whether it's
Speaker 1: another setback that's off the field that keeps you away
Speaker 1: from your premier goal or your dream. And these guys
Speaker 1: are living their dream every day. Yeah. Well, let's get
Speaker 1: back to the game, and we're kind of starting that
Speaker 1: before Sam came in and and speaking the game, Sam
Speaker 1: was certainly one of the guys six seven tag. He
Speaker 1: had six tackles and three unassisted tack or three assistant
Speaker 1: tackles and fumble special team plays and so I mean
Speaker 1: he really, you know, he really had the opportunity. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's making hey while the sun shines, while a couple
Speaker 1: of guys are out, he's you know, he's he's stacking
Speaker 1: things up and so he's doing pretty well. But as
Speaker 1: we go along, we talked about the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: not sure and who was still but let's kind of
Speaker 1: take a look back at the game, John and and
Speaker 1: see what you liked and and and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we we talked a little bit about about Preston Williams
Speaker 1: and you know, you could almost see it coming, you
Speaker 1: know where you know, he he had played so well
Speaker 1: so far a long and well he was he was.
Speaker 1: I had him on a couple of shows, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the interview. Now he's doing interviews. People know who
Speaker 1: he is. Look out for this guy and this and
Speaker 1: that and and I've of this. He did ran good routes.
Speaker 1: He was in the right spot, but just left the
Speaker 1: ball and the right was a little bit wet and
Speaker 1: all this and that. But you know, it kind of
Speaker 1: came back to him a little bit. You know, he
Speaker 1: kind of came back to the pack a little bit.
Speaker 1: Now I expect him to rebound and see more of
Speaker 1: what we saw of him Week one, um in this
Speaker 1: but uh, you know Sam's in the same situation here.
Speaker 1: You've got guys that are getting their shots and you
Speaker 1: know you can't have too many. Well yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we knew he was gonna, you know, fall back to
Speaker 1: the pack. Well, you know what, it was a good thing.
Speaker 1: I got to watch a little bit of Tuesday's practice
Speaker 1: and you know, he came right back, caught everything around him,
Speaker 1: look good running routes. Um, you know, he just looked
Speaker 1: like the guy that you we expected. And there were
Speaker 1: drops on both sides. I remember Tampa Bay had an
Speaker 1: under route. The guy was still running into the house
Speaker 1: if he catches it, and you know there was drop
Speaker 1: drops on both sides. So maybe weather had a little
Speaker 1: bit to do with it. But you're gonna have that,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have that in South Florida Week one,
Speaker 1: potentially against the Ravens. You gotta be able to to
Speaker 1: show that on a consistent basis that you can make
Speaker 1: those catches in clement weather, whether it's rain or whether
Speaker 1: it's cold, whatever the situation is, whether it's hot and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's sweaty, and you you you gotta
Speaker 1: hang onto the football. But I have called I still
Speaker 1: have confidence in what Preston can do because I really
Speaker 1: like his size, I like his route running, I like
Speaker 1: his demeanor, and he's one of those underdog guys that
Speaker 1: is trying to battle through his own, you know, skeletons.
Speaker 1: He's trying to to put away all the all the
Speaker 1: negativity that maybe surrounded him during a certain period of
Speaker 1: life and fight through it and show people the kind
Speaker 1: of athlete he can be. So I'm I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: both of these absolutely, no no doubt about it, and
Speaker 1: Nick because there all guys that work hard, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you need playmakers on this team, and both of these
Speaker 1: guys have the potentials. Let's get to let's get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, which is you know topic, really, it's
Speaker 1: really and it's gonna be probably gonna be this for
Speaker 1: a better part of this season. Is it gonna be
Speaker 1: the topic of conversation, the number one focal point when
Speaker 1: you talk about this football team success or failure wise
Speaker 1: one way or another. So you got Josh Rose and
Speaker 1: gets to start. He goes for a quarter and then
Speaker 1: there goes for the first half. Ryan Fitzpatrick comes in,
Speaker 1: goes a little over a quarter in there before turning
Speaker 1: the ball over to uh uh j J. Brudock um
Speaker 1: and you look at Josh ten for eighteen a hundred
Speaker 1: two yards a number of drop balls, um and and
Speaker 1: you know, I think when you look at you say, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell some good things. I would like to see him
Speaker 1: get the ball in the end zone for a touchdown
Speaker 1: or two during his drives. But did you see enough
Speaker 1: in and and and you know, all the conversation now
Speaker 1: is that, Okay, he had his shot. Now it's Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick starting this third game. Now that being said, we'll
Speaker 1: wait and see when when take off comes. But but
Speaker 1: that seems to be the um. That seems to be
Speaker 1: the narrative right now with this if fitz Patrick and
Speaker 1: so the thought following that is Fitzpatrick's getting the start
Speaker 1: in game three, arigo, He's probably gonna be the starter
Speaker 1: Week one when the Baltimore Ravens come to Now that
Speaker 1: could change. But getting back to the game, you know,
Speaker 1: Ryan limited time three for nine twenty yards, nothing really
Speaker 1: going on, and again he was under durest offensive line problems.
Speaker 1: We you can you can bind it both of these
Speaker 1: guys with offensive line issueses. But you know they're both
Speaker 1: playing in the same type of situation. Is there any
Speaker 1: did we see anybody deparation, any separation or is it
Speaker 1: just kind of same kind of I I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any more separation after the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game than before the Tampa Bay game. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think Josh Rosen did some good things.
Speaker 1: He threw the ball well. I think that his anticipation,
Speaker 1: his urgency in the pocket, his awareness is getting better.
Speaker 1: But it's still there's still a lot left on the table.
Speaker 1: I thought a couple of throws, especially in the red zone,
Speaker 1: if he gets the ball out to Mike Kisiki a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier with leverage, he may score before he
Speaker 1: misses Isaiah Ford, you know at the goal line, and
Speaker 1: you don't you don't get in the end zones. So
Speaker 1: there's certain plays that you see. I know coach Flores
Speaker 1: talked about in his press conference about pocket awareness. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta get rid of some of those sacks.
Speaker 1: Maybe we throw the football away, maybe we we step
Speaker 1: up into the pocket if there is room to step
Speaker 1: up in the pocket and do some different things down
Speaker 1: the field. But he was plagued by pressure and he's
Speaker 1: played by drops, so you know, those are some things
Speaker 1: that you're gonna play quarterback you can't control, but there
Speaker 1: are some things you can assist, and you can try
Speaker 1: to raise the level the guys around you by your decisions,
Speaker 1: by by your pocket awareness, by your timing, your anticipation
Speaker 1: with the football. So I think there's still room for improvement.
Speaker 1: They're moving forward now. Looking at the third preseason game,
Speaker 1: I don't know if if I'm going to read into
Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna start that game, he's necessarily going to
Speaker 1: be the starter Week one against the Baltimore depends on
Speaker 1: his production. I would think that if it if it
Speaker 1: were me and we were talking about this Sunday at
Speaker 1: FLR and we're doing Dolphins Weekly Live, I felt I
Speaker 1: feel like both guys should play. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if if Jake Rudolc might play in this game. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think you try to get
Speaker 1: both of these guys as many reps with the first
Speaker 1: team offensive line, whether that's you play a guy a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half, you you stick Josh in, or
Speaker 1: maybe Josh starts and you stick Ryan, and I don't
Speaker 1: really care what the rotation is, but I think you
Speaker 1: have to expose these guys to the same type of
Speaker 1: environment and and try to see if there is any
Speaker 1: separation that you could piece into what they've done at
Speaker 1: practice on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, what they've done
Speaker 1: last week, where you see improvements, where you see some
Speaker 1: of the deficiencies starting to erase themselves, you know, by
Speaker 1: by their play. And I think you added up all together.
Speaker 1: In the end, I think we'll have a decision probably,
Speaker 1: you know, within you know, four or five days after
Speaker 1: the game, of who's going to be the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: going in for week one. But for me, I would
Speaker 1: play two quarters one guy, two quarters other maybe it's
Speaker 1: a quarter and then you you switch them out, but
Speaker 1: you definitely expose them to the same type of environment
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. You know what John I'm looking for. And
Speaker 1: we talked about this on the on the program on Sunday.
Speaker 1: You know, Josh is doing a lot of things good.
Speaker 1: You know, he used us this and that, and he's
Speaker 1: getting up getting in out of the huddle, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he was talking about body language wise
Speaker 1: by by coach Flowan. I think he's working on the
Speaker 1: approved like that a little bit. But you know, I
Speaker 1: remember I remember when when when Danny came here, and
Speaker 1: you know, I played up to then, I'd played the
Speaker 1: majority of my career with with Bob Greece. I'm a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback and you know, and so then
Speaker 1: Danny comes in and I remember we're playing the Jets
Speaker 1: up in Shafe Stadium at the time. Joe Rose running
Speaker 1: like a deep crosser and and Danny throws him a ball.
Speaker 1: It was about a twenty five yard throw, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and the ball didn't have any arc on it at all.
Speaker 1: It was a bullet. And there's two dbs closing in
Speaker 1: on Joe and all Joe Joe. The ball hit Joe
Speaker 1: right in the hands. We didn't have to do right
Speaker 1: in between the two defensive backs. And at that moment,
Speaker 1: I looked at the guy standing next to me in
Speaker 1: the sideline, did you see that? And everyone else is
Speaker 1: going did you see that? Did you see that? What
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to for waiting to see in Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: is that did you see that moment, that moment that
Speaker 1: you believe, Oh wow, that guy's got the skills to
Speaker 1: be that guy, that franchise guy. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: him throw some nice balls. Throw the deep corner, him
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field, but we haven't quite
Speaker 1: yet seen him throw a ball where he said, wow,
Speaker 1: that that's a special throw right there. And and and
Speaker 1: to compliment, you know, maybe piggyback onto what you've said.
Speaker 1: I think if I'm a guy on the sidelines, I
Speaker 1: want to be able to go he did it again.
Speaker 1: You know, he did it again. Do you see that?
Speaker 1: Did it again? I've seen it once. I've seen I've
Speaker 1: seen glimpses when he cuts it loose and you go, man,
Speaker 1: that I like that. That that we need more of that.
Speaker 1: I want to see that more on a consistent basis. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's him or the guys around
Speaker 1: him that's causing that for me anyway, but that's the
Speaker 1: feeling I want to I want to well, I think
Speaker 1: there's a there if there's a disappointment across us the
Speaker 1: board in this quarterback competition is it's really tough because
Speaker 1: you're having so many struggles up front. You know, Ryan,
Speaker 1: Ryan gets in there and I think with the first
Speaker 1: or second play he just gets clocked right. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, I think they took I think
Speaker 1: they took either either shot Calhoun out or diet out
Speaker 1: or one of those guys, and they put whoever in
Speaker 1: and that guy whipped and who maybe right away like oh,
Speaker 1: he goes, well, welcome, there's gonna be a good quarter. Welcome.
Speaker 1: That's when you're I've been in those preseason Welcome to
Speaker 1: the second half of the preseason. No, no, I got
Speaker 1: it in this one. You got this one. I got you. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I was talking to someone and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you could see you can see
Speaker 1: you can see Ryan's uh, you know, his experience because
Speaker 1: the next play kept two backs in and pulled him
Speaker 1: in tight. I think that might have been the play
Speaker 1: call this speaking Ryan have been when he bowled over
Speaker 1: the day back the Bucks, that was pretty cool. I
Speaker 1: don't know who was the I think I think I
Speaker 1: think everyone on both sides, because he's pretty you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty good relationship with all those guys
Speaker 1: in the Tampa Bay sidelines, and they're probably they were
Speaker 1: acting it up on the sidelines. But then for if
Speaker 1: you're a guy with the DOLF, you're gonna that's that's
Speaker 1: our that's the kind of guy want that's my guy
Speaker 1: right there, and those are things. Those are things that
Speaker 1: endear you to question. I don't know how smart you
Speaker 1: can you can question all that stuff, but those are
Speaker 1: heat at the moment battle, you're a competitor. You're gonna
Speaker 1: put your head down. I'm gonna knock this some bitch over.
Speaker 1: I don't really care. And you know what that that
Speaker 1: gives you as as a guy on a team. I'll
Speaker 1: play with that guy. I'll go I'll go in and
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever it takes for sixty minutes to play
Speaker 1: with that guy. And that those are the things you
Speaker 1: have to have no question about. And you know you
Speaker 1: flow talking about body language, well, by that's party body
Speaker 1: language too. Yeah, that's part of that. You know you
Speaker 1: you know you can see it and you can make
Speaker 1: that little little dip outside and get out of bounds,
Speaker 1: or you can try to run the guy over and
Speaker 1: then they're not not what you want most quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: do right now. But at this stage, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: battl I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: was good to see. Beyond Beyond that, um, I think
Speaker 1: the other thing that that's that's really I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been one of our biggest topics is pass rush. Uh.
Speaker 1: You saw Jerome just kind of blow through and you know,
Speaker 1: miss the one tackle and and then got to that
Speaker 1: can be look getting there's a hard part. You know,
Speaker 1: you're wrapping him up and bring him down. That that's
Speaker 1: the that's you know that that's the easy part of
Speaker 1: getting to coach. You can coach out to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he gets one and and Charles Harris gets
Speaker 1: into help him bring him down. Charles Harris got one. Uh.
Speaker 1: You watch Christian Uh, Christian Wilkins got one from multiple positions,
Speaker 1: from multiple and so I think when we're starting to
Speaker 1: see on Nate Orchards getting around the ball a tank
Speaker 1: charity and is looking good on there. So so you know,
Speaker 1: we know that this is gonna be a pass rush
Speaker 1: who comes a like committee by committee. But what's nice
Speaker 1: to see is that you're starting to see some of
Speaker 1: those defensive ends get a pass rush in a standard
Speaker 1: pass rush situation where if you want to just go
Speaker 1: four men up front, you know, cover seven dep get
Speaker 1: seven guys in coverage that you got to have those
Speaker 1: guys and and so you're starting to see in in
Speaker 1: some of these guys. And you know we've talked about
Speaker 1: Charles all of you know, he seems to always be
Speaker 1: a step away. Well maybe he's getting maybe he's making
Speaker 1: up that step, right. It's fun to talk about multiple people.
Speaker 1: We've said more names on defense after a week two
Speaker 1: of the preseason than we did in week one. And
Speaker 1: I think you could throw Nick de Luca in their
Speaker 1: linebacker because he was a guy that played a lot
Speaker 1: of snaps against Tampa Bay and we mentioned the injuries.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows how good Jerome Baker is and
Speaker 1: can be, but you're gonna have to have others that
Speaker 1: that are dependable, that play certain you know, roles, like
Speaker 1: like Sam who you know is taking advantage of his opportunity.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's more guys that are on defense
Speaker 1: that are taking advantage of snaps that they didn't maybe
Speaker 1: necessarily think they were gonna get in week two of
Speaker 1: the preseason and some of these some of these guys
Speaker 1: that are on the on the on the fringe, yeah,
Speaker 1: on a bubble. You know that it was nice like
Speaker 1: like Patrick lay here, here's a guy that comes in
Speaker 1: seven rushes and every time he gets an opportunity, So
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're kind of looking at going where
Speaker 1: does he fit? Where can he fit? Where can we
Speaker 1: you know? And I would assume if this coaching staffs going, well,
Speaker 1: this guy's got some skills, let's let's find a way
Speaker 1: to take advantage. And I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: make the fifty three man roster, but he's certainly doing
Speaker 1: everything he can to, you know, to to stick his
Speaker 1: hat in the ring, and who knows, maybe ends up
Speaker 1: in the practice squad. But I think right now he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that maybe you didn't really didn't
Speaker 1: even on the on the practice, but you see him
Speaker 1: now as a guy that, hey, you know, he could
Speaker 1: be on the fifty three, could be in the practice squad,
Speaker 1: and those types of things, so you're looking for those guys.
Speaker 1: It was nice to see him come up. And he
Speaker 1: did a lot of really nice things out there, you
Speaker 1: know what, you start the game and Mark Walton's out
Speaker 1: there and you see Myles gas can get you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and and what I liked about them,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't necessarily set the world on fire,
Speaker 1: but they ran with authority. They were really good and
Speaker 1: stepping up in PAS protection. They were available in the
Speaker 1: passing game, and you know, they didn't probably necessarily think
Speaker 1: that they were going to be in the starting role
Speaker 1: on the plane over to Tampa Bay. So within two
Speaker 1: and a half three days, you know, you're you're starting
Speaker 1: number one and one A aren't gonna play in Calein
Speaker 1: Blage and Drake and all of a sudden, these guys,
Speaker 1: hey you're up. You know, so let's see. You know,
Speaker 1: the moment wasn't too big for for any of those
Speaker 1: guys that stepped into running back. Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was good. It was good to see that. And uh,
Speaker 1: now now it's it's you know, now it's kind of
Speaker 1: getting the one thing. You know, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. We've kind of mentioned them here
Speaker 1: along the way, but uh it's it's still you know
Speaker 1: I said it before, you know, priority one of his
Speaker 1: football team as a quarterback, Priority one being a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Now they may be priority one, B or two because
Speaker 1: I think that offensive line with two weeks left to go,
Speaker 1: albeit when you know when they started the game they
Speaker 1: had tounsil in. I think Jesse Davis played early in
Speaker 1: that game. You when you have those guys in even
Speaker 1: with Shack and and and Michael Dieter in there, that
Speaker 1: offensive line seemed to be a little bit more better, better.
Speaker 1: They got better. They weren't. They weren't a finished product
Speaker 1: by any sense of the imagination, but they were better.
Speaker 1: You saw improvement, You saw hat on a hat. You
Speaker 1: saw some guys that weren't getting pushed back with consistency.
Speaker 1: At least they're holding their own And you know, that's
Speaker 1: all you can ask you as a running back, you
Speaker 1: just want to be able to get a crease and
Speaker 1: you at least you felt like those guys made some
Speaker 1: steps in a positive direction. They didn't go backwards from
Speaker 1: a poor performance in week one of the preseason. At
Speaker 1: least they got better. So I'm I'm really intrigued to
Speaker 1: see how much better they're they're gonna be at the
Speaker 1: end of this preseason compared to where they started, and
Speaker 1: can they can they have a semblance of of a
Speaker 1: line that can move some people that can You know,
Speaker 1: you worried about missed assignments when you have young guards
Speaker 1: in there. And that's the one thing that I didn't
Speaker 1: see as much of in week two then I saw
Speaker 1: in week one, because I don't think you know, to
Speaker 1: me when I watched those guys, is I think they're
Speaker 1: both physically capable of doing the job. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: we're during the game, we're talking with Jayson. You know
Speaker 1: sometimes you see them where they you know, for an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you know you need you need to be
Speaker 1: in balanst and balance. You know you can. There's two
Speaker 1: things you can't. But you can't be on your heels
Speaker 1: because you'll get you get you'll get piled driving. You
Speaker 1: can't be too much on your toes because you're leaning
Speaker 1: too far forward. And it's very easy for a defensive
Speaker 1: back to defensive lineman throw a quick arm over and saying,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking where where do you go? So
Speaker 1: you gotta get that gotta find that medium ground in.
Speaker 1: And I think you're seeing Deeter and Calhoun. You know,
Speaker 1: the more snaps they get, the more they're gonna figure
Speaker 1: that out. And those are those are things that are important,
Speaker 1: but they're they're fixable. Those are easily fixable things for
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. And and and looking watching those guys
Speaker 1: progress now they I think they've got the wherewithal to
Speaker 1: get better, but they're not gonna do it without getting
Speaker 1: multiple snaps and getting there. I like the philosophy now, uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that coach Flora's you know, was the
Speaker 1: guy behind us. But let's throw them in there and
Speaker 1: let's let them sink or swim. But we gotta get
Speaker 1: we gotta get him exposed and exposure to multiple looks
Speaker 1: during this preseason. The only way they're gonna do that
Speaker 1: is to play, and and it practice. Those guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: they go on the bus I was riding back from
Speaker 1: the practice. They're sitting right next to each other, you know,
Speaker 1: So this is a tandem that's gonna you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna sink or swim. And right now they're they're gooding
Speaker 1: out there and they're getting exposed to everything in the
Speaker 1: National Football League can give them. And I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing in preseason game number three
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. Hey, let's throw them out there, let's play
Speaker 1: an extended period of time and let's show them. Let's
Speaker 1: let's get them on tape, get them on film. They're good,
Speaker 1: they're positive stuff. Let's let's pump them up a little
Speaker 1: bit their negative stuff. Let's get it corrected. Because this
Speaker 1: is who we've got, this is your offensive line, and
Speaker 1: let we gotta ride with you guys. You gotta play
Speaker 1: with more confidence. You gotta play with more you know, grit.
Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to get it done because
Speaker 1: you're you're our choices right now. And they've gotta get
Speaker 1: confidence in themselves, you know what. They They've got to
Speaker 1: have those those practices, those those those games, a game
Speaker 1: where you just come out clean, where you go, you
Speaker 1: know what, you know, I'm better than this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: And they'll have those games, they'll they'll find a game
Speaker 1: what they do. Then they then they take a big
Speaker 1: step forward. Well and now they kind of come out
Speaker 1: you know, now they break that hell and turn around.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. You know you're gonna have that moment that
Speaker 1: you you know, I just I just put somebody on
Speaker 1: their back, you know, I just pass protection and I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about who I'm going against if it's a
Speaker 1: Dominican Sioux on the other side like it was last week.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the only way these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna get better. They gotta play. They gotta practice, and
Speaker 1: they gotta play, and you gotta expose them to everything
Speaker 1: they're gonna see because once it starts, it's really difficult,
Speaker 1: you know, to get guys in and out. You gotta
Speaker 1: get those five guys up front. You gotta let them
Speaker 1: play together. And that's the other thing, John, I think
Speaker 1: with this team, you know, if they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: team that's gonna be able to compete early on, uh,
Speaker 1: they need to get healthy. You know, we we need
Speaker 1: to see if Kiko and Kuan have a place on
Speaker 1: this team. You gotta, you know, find out you gotta
Speaker 1: have Kenyan and Kaylin have to be and on the outside,
Speaker 1: you know, you you those guys that you know, no exposure,
Speaker 1: so you gotta feel like other guys you are getting opportunities.
Speaker 1: But you know you're talking about some of the guys
Speaker 1: that we circle on on this roster. They gotta they
Speaker 1: gotta perform for us to win. And then you wonder
Speaker 1: what the coaches mindset is going to be this week,
Speaker 1: this this game against Jacksonville with those guys, because it's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the last time that we see the starters.
Speaker 1: And now look at game four, you're gonna see Michael
Speaker 1: Dieter and you're gonna see Shaq Calhoun out there playing.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that, but probably not these other guys.
Speaker 1: So so you know, Albert's had a chance to get
Speaker 1: out there and work a little bit. He's done a
Speaker 1: little teamwork and stuff like that. Are they gonna try
Speaker 1: to pepper him in and give him a little game
Speaker 1: action in there, or do you just say, let's let's
Speaker 1: keep him on the shelf, give him another couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: let him get a little more healthy, and go that way.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's gonna be the case with Jachem grant Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure about those linebackers. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how far Ray Kwan and Kiko are from coming playing
Speaker 1: and from playing. So but those are all, you know,
Speaker 1: those are all questions, and those are all Those are
Speaker 1: all guys that you're looking at. They really haven't participated
Speaker 1: for the most part through this preseason. Now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you get them back there. They're all veteran
Speaker 1: players that are good players in Northern new And you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden your team from could you could
Speaker 1: go from scratching your head with this team going, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, not as bad as people you're adding players,
Speaker 1: because you're watching a team now that's been playing with
Speaker 1: about with about a half a dozen guys, not getting
Speaker 1: many reps, not not getting in there and playing that
Speaker 1: are that are starters and and bona fide players in
Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, it's a tough situation in preseason. That's
Speaker 1: why I really liked going to Tampa Bay and getting
Speaker 1: those practices in because everybody was in and it didn't
Speaker 1: matter if you were healthy, you were playing, you were practicing,
Speaker 1: you were getting your reps, and you're getting a chance
Speaker 1: to get on tape and you're getting a chance to
Speaker 1: get evaluated because you never know in the month of September,
Speaker 1: some of those guys might be on the practice roster,
Speaker 1: they may be playing and starting. So at least you've
Speaker 1: got them, uh indoctrinated into the system on defense, and
Speaker 1: you've got them blitzing when they're you know, a guy
Speaker 1: coming on the edge of the line of scrimage, you've
Speaker 1: got him in man and man coverage. You've got them
Speaker 1: running a tough route against against leverage it might not
Speaker 1: be the best, and you you have them making decisions
Speaker 1: at quarterback too. So I think everything was good in
Speaker 1: terms of getting guys that are are available out and
Speaker 1: exposed to what they what their expectations are. But it's
Speaker 1: sure would be nice to have some of those names
Speaker 1: that were not coming back this thing and not playing
Speaker 1: for a week three against Jacksonville. Yeah, you gotta. They've
Speaker 1: gotta get some playing time in there, you know, so
Speaker 1: we'll see John. The other thing before we wrap this
Speaker 1: thing up is uh, you know, it's it's it's funny
Speaker 1: when you go around you see different teams and the
Speaker 1: way they do about and I tell you it it was
Speaker 1: it was Bruce Arians. This guy's this is a pretty
Speaker 1: unique guy out there. Got a golf card, you know,
Speaker 1: got his a little logo on the golf card and
Speaker 1: just cruising around, you know, practice going on, and he's
Speaker 1: up you know, by the trainers or whatever, our trainers,
Speaker 1: talking to them, and you know, just it was great.
Speaker 1: I got. I got to catch up with him because
Speaker 1: when I was seventeen years old, he was a running
Speaker 1: back coach at Alabama and he recruited me. So I
Speaker 1: got to know him at a young age. And and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, I saw him on
Speaker 1: the far field and I didn't really you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to walk over there. I'm kind of in
Speaker 1: my own area, trying to be invisible, you know, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, ten minutes later, there's
Speaker 1: this golf cart behind me goes, hey, what are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: I look back at his bruising coach. What's going on?
Speaker 1: He goes, come here if in I'm just sitting in
Speaker 1: the cart with him talking and it's a laid back atmosphere.
Speaker 1: But he he once he started going, he's uh, he's
Speaker 1: you want him on your you know man watching the
Speaker 1: sideline over there. I mean he he was in mid
Speaker 1: season FOURM charting. You're grilling on those officials, you know,
Speaker 1: working pretty hard. It was cool. I thought the interaction
Speaker 1: between Bruce Arians and Brian Flores and how they organized
Speaker 1: practice and how they got everything out of what they
Speaker 1: wanted to and how they collaborated it and and made that.
Speaker 1: You know that Tuesday Wednesday for nine guys on each side,
Speaker 1: if if Tuesday and Wednesday was a lemon, they squeezed
Speaker 1: all the Tuesday. They got every piece of work you
Speaker 1: could out of two days of practice, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was efficient, It was quick. Even the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, on Tuesday got run in and out of,
Speaker 1: or Wednesday got running in and out of a couple
Speaker 1: of times. You know, still once you got back in
Speaker 1: that building was let's get back to it. Was efficient.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I'm thinking, you look at Bruce
Speaker 1: arians and and you know, he seems like a laid
Speaker 1: back guy, and you know, he tells his coaches, hey,
Speaker 1: if you got if your kids have something, go, I
Speaker 1: don't want you if you miss it. And he likes
Speaker 1: to go out and have a pop after practice and
Speaker 1: then all those kind of things. And so he's a casual,
Speaker 1: casual guy, casual guy like that. Yet you know, yet
Speaker 1: his team is is They've got a structure and they
Speaker 1: stick to you, and so it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a dichotomy, you know. He he he you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the personality of him, you would think he'd
Speaker 1: be like a little you think you'd be a John
Speaker 1: Bruden guy, you know what, kind of a you know,
Speaker 1: but but he's quite the opposite. He's got guys on
Speaker 1: his staff that he coached in college, which is great.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know, Keith Armstrong is running his
Speaker 1: special teams. He was a running back at Temple when
Speaker 1: Bruce was the head coach. You know, You've got you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that were over there that are
Speaker 1: on his staff that he has a history with. Those
Speaker 1: guys and he trusts those guys. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the same thing that Brian Flores has. He you know,
Speaker 1: he has guys that he coached with in New England
Speaker 1: and he brought to the Miami Dolphins that he knows
Speaker 1: what the expect they know what the expectations are, that
Speaker 1: he trust and that's how you build That's how you
Speaker 1: build winning organizations with people that you trust. You know what.
Speaker 1: I've watched the two episodes of Hard Knocks with the
Speaker 1: Raiders and John Bruten I don't know why they paid
Speaker 1: that guy a hundred million dollars. Wouldn't give him a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars to coach my team. I just don't,
Speaker 1: you know. I've always I've never been a buyer. I've
Speaker 1: never been bullish on John Gruden and every job that
Speaker 1: he's got, every job that has been available. So I
Speaker 1: think when St. Thomas job was available, he was first
Speaker 1: on the list for that job. But over the years
Speaker 1: when he was in the booth, every time a job
Speaker 1: became available, he was the top guy in the list,
Speaker 1: but never got the job, never took the job, which
Speaker 1: you know, led me to believe that he that that
Speaker 1: he wasn't available, but he wasn't really on the top
Speaker 1: of the list. You know, he's a good agent out there.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm watching this guy, John, and I
Speaker 1: just don't see it. I I just you know. You
Speaker 1: you tell me, you walk in front of an NFL
Speaker 1: football team that's got a bunch of misfits, and there's
Speaker 1: misfits on that team. You got to perfect who was
Speaker 1: a tough guy? You got eight you know, Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: You've got some you got some knuckleheads on that team.
Speaker 1: And you walk up in front of the first day
Speaker 1: and you say, here are the rules I got Try
Speaker 1: to be on time, don't you know, and try to
Speaker 1: be close to your weight and use common sense. And
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm going really and paying you a a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars for that, you know. And then I watched
Speaker 1: the next practice was no better than that. And boy,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if you're if you're you're banking.
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if the Raiders win five or six
Speaker 1: games this year. I haven't I haven't really dove in
Speaker 1: as much. I got to see glimpses of the hard knocks,
Speaker 1: but it'll be interesting to see how the Raiders do
Speaker 1: this year. Because that's a tough division. Yeah they're playing
Speaker 1: in Yeah they are, they are, And I just don't
Speaker 1: I see a loose you know, undisciplined. Hell, you got
Speaker 1: your best receiver that comes comes and went practice when
Speaker 1: he wants to, when he doesn't, doesn't show. Finally, they
Speaker 1: finally got to the point where they have to either
Speaker 1: yeah you know he's here, he's not. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think you gotta fire him or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a but hey, you know what, Hell, that's their problem,
Speaker 1: not our Thank goodness, we got enough issues on our own.
Speaker 1: But just just from a this from an NFL standpoint
Speaker 1: and watching that, that's the thing about that show that
Speaker 1: you know, it makes an I watched just kind of
Speaker 1: see how the distractions, see how we'll see how the
Speaker 1: coach is, just how they coach, how they go about
Speaker 1: their business. And I'm just I'm gonna probably catch up
Speaker 1: on this week. It's uh yeah, it's it's I watched
Speaker 1: this week too, and see how it is. Anyway, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for the show. John Can, Jammie, Kimbo
Speaker 1: camper with you. It's the Dolphins and the Jack's Bill
Speaker 1: Jaguars Thursday Night preseason game number three after that it's
Speaker 1: New Orleans and you know, you know, and you kind
Speaker 1: of you might have the clicker handy for that game
Speaker 1: because that the game tends to be a little bit boring.
Speaker 1: But but this is a big game, big game game
Speaker 1: from Miami to see where we're at, you know, see
Speaker 1: where the starting twenty two and whoever else can came,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be probably this game is probably gonna determine
Speaker 1: who your quarterback is gonna be September eight, uh, and
Speaker 1: a number of other positions and guys like Sam where
Speaker 1: Sam fits in, and some of these other guys, the
Speaker 1: guys we haven't seen. You know, it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what happens with Ray Kwon and kicking between
Speaker 1: now and the time that the rosters. T J hasn't
Speaker 1: played much, RASH played, So we'll see how that all
Speaker 1: shakes out in week three and we'll be back with
Speaker 1: the audible next week and we'll go over all that
Speaker 1: and and get ready for the last preseason game and
Speaker 1: kind of kind kind of probably get a little better
Speaker 1: idea where this roster is gonna be at at that point.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's just you know, more and more good
Speaker 1: stuff man, we're still good stuff. Look and forward to it. Okay, Hey, thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening, and we'll catch you guys next week
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