1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: A gorgeous young co ed travels all the way from 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Bucks County, Pennsylvania for spring break to Miami. It was 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: anything but festive. This gorgeous young girl, Christine Ingleheart dead 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: found half naked, strewn across her bed in a hotel room. Now, 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: how did that happen? With me? An all star panel 6 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again, 7 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: But first take a listen to this. Christine Engelhardt's friends 8 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: tell ABC six that the twenty four year old woman 9 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: loves running and animals and life. That's pretty evident from 10 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: this Facebook live post. We're a live live from Philadelphia. 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: Two guys out look at the view? Guys, Yeah, we live? 12 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god, how do I turn the saw? In fact, 13 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: friends say she was one in a million. She was 14 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the person you brought in that made everything lit up 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: the whole room. You know. Her laugh was like the 16 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: most contagious laugh. Englehart grew up in Richboro, Pennsylvania, attending 17 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: and graduating Council Rock High School North in Newtown. For 18 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the last four years, Englehart has been an assistant manager 19 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: at Jules then Crusted Pizza. According to her mother, Englehart 20 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: traveled to Florida alone, but friends are also quick to 21 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: point out that Inglehart is pretty cautious. In July of 22 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Englehart shared on Facebook about experiences she had 23 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: had at Tyler's State Park. She said, on two separate occasions, 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: a man in a car beeped at her and waved 25 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 1: to get her attention. She wrote, always go with your gut. 26 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Please be on alert for any suspicious people or cars. 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: This is a dangerous world now, unfortunately, and you never 28 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: know what anyone's true intentions are. It just breaks my heart. 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: And you were hearing from our friends at climb online 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: dot com. This girl is so precious. She reminds me 31 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: when I was hearing her voice, that reminds me of 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: Lucy and John David, my twins or thirteen. And they 33 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: will get on their phones and try to make videos 34 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: and Lucy can never turn it off and it just 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: the dissolved laughing. And I'm just thinking about how full 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: of life this young girl was. She was studying nursing 37 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: at local community college, had just finished a half marathon, 38 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: was always posting about taking in animals, being kind to animals, 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: just so loving, working her way through school at Jules 40 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: pizza and to think of her found half naked, debt 41 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and hotel room raped top at all off with me 42 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: an all star panelm that I mentioned before. First of all, 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Kim Davignon, Assistant Criminal District Attorney, Tarrant County. They're in Texas. 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: The chief of the Adult Sex Assault Unit eight years 45 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: and Crimes against Children. Doctor Alan Blockkee, PhD renowned psychologists 46 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: joining us out of Birmingham, and he specializes in forensic cases. 47 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: A boy do I need to shrink today? Professor Forensics, 48 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. 49 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Star of a brand new series on the True Crime Network, 50 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaison's Death. Investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. You'll find him 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: featured at crime online dot com in the upcoming days. 52 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Is that Derek Chauvintrial goes forward Justin Boardman, former detective 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: the West Valley City Police Department Special Victims Unit. He's 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: now at Boardman Training and Consulting and you can find 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: him at justin Boardman dot com. But first to crimoline 56 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: dot com to get a reporter. Also with Lead Stories 57 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: dot Com. Alexis terres Chuck. Alexis you know, I think 58 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: about how thrilled you were when you had your baby boy. 59 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: You know you put all that love, all that energy, 60 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: all your money, yeah by by money, everything, but all 61 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: your hopes and your dreams for them. You pour all 62 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: that into your child or your children to have two 63 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: pervs come along and just just like that, snuff out 64 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: their life. And then you know, Alexis, these two that 65 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: left her either dead or dying, then ran out and 66 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: continued the party with her credit cards. They're at Miami Beach. 67 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm putting the cart before the horse. 68 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: You start with the facts. Alexus. Start at the beginning 69 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: with her going twelve hundred miles just to have a 70 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: break and have some fun from working and studying. Twenty 71 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: four seven three sixty five. That's exactly what she has 72 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: been doing. She's some study in the middle of the 73 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: COVID pandemic. She is studying to be a nurse. She 74 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: has a heart of gold. She wants to help people. 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: So she takes a break from spring break, heads down 76 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: to Miami Beach, flies from a doctor Alan Blockkey, did 77 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: you hear what Alexis Straschok just said. I hadn't thought 78 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: of that in the middle of COVID, when health workers 79 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: are risking their lives to save people. This girl's trying 80 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: to wade into the fray, trying to get her nursing 81 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: degree to help people at a time when it could 82 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: be risking her own life. Does that say to you, 83 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: block Key, I mean, it just corroborates everything you've said 84 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: in your opening, which is that she's a loving, open 85 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: person who cares about others more than herself perhaps, and 86 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: that that's just a central part of who she was 87 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: and who she is. Jackie here in the studio with me. 88 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: Look at her. Look at the picture of her there 89 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: with her mother. I mean that big smile right here, 90 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: she's awesome, happy because she just finished that marathon, and 91 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: she's looking at the camera, big smile, full of life. 92 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: It just, Alexis just makes me sick. Okay, sorry, go ahead, 93 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: start over. So she is in Miami Beach, rents a 94 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: hotel room, goes out to a restaurant to have some fun, 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: and that is where she meets these two men. Meets 96 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: them in a restaurant. They are together in this restaurant. 97 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: They're seen together in the restaurant. Who's together in the restaurant? 98 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: The two guys or the two guys in Christine, all 99 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: three of them. She meets. The two guys are together 100 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: in the restaurant. She meets them in the restaurant. They 101 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: meet in a restaurant like a party. This is springbreak 102 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: in Miami is a party everywhere, it's home. You know 103 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: where you're giving me a flashback of Natalie Holloway where 104 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: she met yourn Vander salute on her and had senior 105 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: trip party break and meets him. I swear, I think 106 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: he slipped to a roofy and that's how she ends 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: up dead. But so this is where they meet. She 108 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: had no prior connection to these two at all. And 109 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm referring to four Collier age twenty one and Dorian Taylor, 110 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: aged twenty four. So they met when she happened to 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: go to this restaurant, right exactly. That's what we know 112 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: so far that nobody has said. They have not said 113 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: that they knew her. None of her friends have said 114 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: that she was planning on meeting them down there. So 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: they leave the restaurant together. They go back to her 116 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: hotel room. This is where they are seen on video 117 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: a minute, aren't you skipping something? Alexis which I considered 118 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: to be a very critical moment. Now correct me if 119 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because you know the facts better than I do. 120 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: But isn't it true that, according to what one of 121 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: the young men said, as they walk from the restaurant 122 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: to the Albion Hotel along the ocean, they slip her 123 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: or give her a green pill. Yes, they do. They 124 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: have told police that they give her a green a pill. 125 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: Now they say they thought this pill was a percoset, 126 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: which is a pain killer that you take after me, Why, no, 127 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: probably not. No, they gave her a pill and she 128 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: when they get to the hotel. There is video surveillance 129 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: of this, and the police have described and this is 130 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: a really scary description. I just want people to know that. 131 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: They say, but these men are walking into the hotel 132 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: with her, and one of them she is basically unable 133 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: to walk. One is holding her up by the stand up. No, 134 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: they are in this hotel room. They this is her 135 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: hotel room. This isn't her, bears, They go in the 136 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: hotel room. The next time we see them is a 137 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: mere thirty minutes later, leaving this hotel. They're seen again 138 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: on video. Who is seen leaving The two men are 139 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: seen leaving and not her scene no clime stories with 140 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Let me go out to Justin Boardman, former 141 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: detective West Valley CDPD. You know, Justin, I know you 142 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: were listening to what Alexi she said. And this is critical. 143 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: Has left the green peel that the two purps thought 144 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: was a percocet. Why would you be giving her a 145 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: percocet other than trying to mix drugs and alcohol to 146 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: make her pass out. But the hotel videos surmals video 147 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: shows them all coming in. She was out of it 148 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: based on whatever they gave her. So we've got the 149 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: video of her leaving the restaurant and she's fine. We've 150 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: gotten the video of her coming in the hotel and 151 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: she can hardly stand up. They're holding her by the 152 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: the back of the net. Nick try to help her 153 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: onto the elevator. So whatever happened to her happened on 154 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: that walk, and that is consistent with the defendive statement 155 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: that they gave her or slipped her surreptitiously a green 156 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: pill as they walked from the restaurant to the hotel. 157 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Another significant thing, if you will recall again, let me 158 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: call on the Natalie Holloway case. Later was Tassiana Flores, 159 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: his second murder victim. He is caught on surveillance in 160 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the hallway of her hotels Stephan Tassiana Flores, and he's 161 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: looking around and it shows he's the only one going 162 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: in and out of that room, justin boardman. I bet 163 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: you that hotel has hallway surveillance as well, that we're 164 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: going to learn even more from. Absolutely, I agree with you. 165 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: I would believe it be a lot more video of 166 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: showing how this would not have been consensual and a 167 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: consensual encounter due to her level of being intoxicated or 168 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: incapacitated by that matter. One thing I would also be 169 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: concerned about is hotel front desk help and I would 170 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: be talking to them to see if they saw anything, 171 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: But also why didn't they intervene? Why didn't they start 172 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: asking any sort of questions if she needed help, if 173 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: they needed help, so on and so forth, And then 174 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: when the men left, would be maybe follow up, do 175 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: a welfare tex that hold on, You've given me a 176 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of information right now, and you know what he's 177 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: right to. Kim Davignon, assistant a DA in Tarrant County, 178 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: Texas Chief Adult Sex Assault unit. Kim, right, there isn't 179 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: that what a hotel Clark is supposed to do see 180 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: people in and out. They can't say this woman can't 181 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: even stand up. You're exactly right. I mean, we don't 182 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: know right now if they came in a way where 183 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: other people saw them. I don't. I can't tell that 184 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: one from the information that's been disclosed. But unfortunately, it's 185 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: not uncommon in cases where people see literally incapacitated women 186 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: being brought into hotels or apartments and no one does 187 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: anything because there's kind of a culture around it that well, 188 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: we don't people. People don't want to get involved because 189 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: they just don't understand that incapacitated means no consent, and 190 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: so they go, oh, well they're partying and let it go. 191 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: And so, yes, to your point, if someone saw it, 192 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: that's incredibly problematic. We don't know if that's true, but 193 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: I would certainly be asking anyone that worked in that hotel. 194 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: Long man, you're not kidding, Kim. And another thing we 195 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: were talking about video Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. I 196 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: know you're familiar with Jennifer Dulo's case husband photos Dulos, 197 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: and then of course the lover of Michelle Traconis. Remember 198 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: in that case, Joe Scott, the cops there in Connecticut 199 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:13,359 Speaker 1: did an incredible job piece together a timeline through video surveillance, 200 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: and I was so impressed. They got the neighbors in 201 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: the neighborhood home video surveillance of Jennifer coming home after 202 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: dropping the children off at school. Then they pieced together 203 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: surveillance of the vehicling question, which was Bodus Dulos carrying 204 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: her dead body to get rid of it all through 205 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: the neighborhood because of surveillance video from the homes, then 206 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: along business establishments. Then they have even where a public 207 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: bus was stopped and a door opened and you see 208 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: the car go by, And that is how they were 209 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: able to put together a lot of what they know 210 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: about the timeline. I think that's going to have to 211 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: be done here because I don't believe that this girl, 212 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: will Langley took a green pill of that the purpose 213 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: thought was percocet on her own. I think she was 214 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: slipped it and maybe maybe video can show that. Joe Scott, Yeah, 215 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: quite possibly. And I would imagine that these bars because Nancy, 216 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: they're down there on Ocean Drive, which runs literally in 217 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: Miami Beach, right along the shore there, and I would 218 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: imagine this location that they were in with her. They've 219 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: probably got videography inside of that location too. You can 220 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: actually see probably the interaction that they're having with her. 221 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Not to mention. If you can do that, you can 222 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: also pinpoint people that may have been around them in 223 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: their proximity to go back and interview them, say, hey, 224 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: what'd you see with these guys? Did you see them 225 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: interacting with her? Did you see her behavior? Okay? Can 226 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: I just say, Joe Scott, not only do I think 227 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: they're from what I know now and their own statements, 228 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: I think they're culpable for felony murder, all right, because 229 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: but you're hearing from a sis is largely coming from 230 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: the younger one of war Collier, who seemed like a bird, 231 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: and he says that they intended to have sex with 232 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: this girl. Sex, it's right, but they also committed a 233 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: burglary when they walked into that room with the intent 234 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: to have sex with an unconscious woman. They also stole 235 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: things and she ended up dead. That's classic felony murder. 236 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: You commit a felony burglary going in her room to 237 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: steal stuff and she ends up dead. Bam. You don't 238 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: have to show he intended to drug her to the 239 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: point she died. All you need is a felony and 240 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: a death therein. Also, let me ask you something else, 241 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, deaf investigator. If this were percoset, would it 242 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: have acted that quickly? I had a percocet once when 243 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: I broke my foot, and it really did nothing to me. 244 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: It was just like nothing. Would that have made her 245 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: past out? No? No, no, and no, these guys are lying. 246 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: They gave her were hibben All rehiben all comes. It's 247 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: a cablet and it'll come in kind of an olive 248 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: drab sometimes green color tablet, and it's got kind of 249 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: a blue interior to it, and it's easily dissolved. And 250 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: let me tell you how this works, Nancy. If any 251 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: and I know your listeners, you know, like any of 252 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: us on the panel, probably if you've ever gone for 253 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: surgery before they actually give you anesthesia, they'll give you 254 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: a sedative like drug and it kind of calms you, 255 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: like an ada band or something like that. Didn't shake that. 256 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Whenever I've had surgeon, I'm like, no, I want to 257 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: see exactly what you're doing as I go on, Okay, 258 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: well you're you're braver than me. Hey, look this thing 259 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: kind of chills you out. And the thing about hibben 260 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: all it's in that family of menzodiazepine. Seems like xanax 261 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But it's like you kick 262 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: it up fifteen notches from there, and so it it 263 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: will literally put you in this dreamlike state. And not 264 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: to mention, it can actually induce unconsciousness depended upon the dosage, 265 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: your body weight and all that stuff. That's what they 266 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: gave her. You know, it's a dead giveaway when they 267 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: say that it was a green pill. And so this 268 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: makes her malleable, This makes her they can manipulate her 269 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: in any way they want to. There's even a report 270 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: that they were having to hold her by her neck 271 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: in order to get her to stand up. And why 272 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: does she die? I'm just wondering if it was positional 273 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: asphyxia or if they killed her. I mean, I've only 274 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: Alexis thrust check back to you crime online an lead 275 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: stories dot Com, Alexis. I've only got their word for 276 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: it that she was alive when they left the room. 277 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: Why should I believe them? That's the whole thing. These 278 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: are the guys that have been arrests. Of course they're 279 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: going to say she was alive, so they're not going 280 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: to tell the truth about what happened. And the police 281 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: are not taking this lightly. Like I am so glad 282 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that there were so many surveillance here because you know 283 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: they did. They stole her cards, they stole her iPhone 284 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: and or her telephone, and they used them and continue 285 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: the party. They use this girl she's either dead or 286 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: dying in a hotel room, used her credit cards, in 287 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: cash to go by liquor, and a whole a lot 288 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: of other things. And it's all a surveillance video Crime 289 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the 290 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: untimely death I say, murder of a gorgeous twenty four 291 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: year old co ed studying nursing. She goes to spring 292 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: break and never comes back home by admission, because of 293 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: these two twenty four year old Dorian Teller, who I 294 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: believe has a rap sheet. I'm trying to confirm that, 295 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: and twenty one year old F. R. Collier, who does 296 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: not have a rap sheet. Take a listen to our 297 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: friends at CBS three, k y WTV Philly. The men 298 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: were both seen on surveillance at her hotel walking her 299 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: to her room. Police do not believe they had consent 300 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: to go inside. Yeah, as sex multiple times and once 301 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: she was unconscious or out, you remain did not call 302 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: for assistance or help and began to take all her 303 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: items from the Sanio Bartident hotel staff found the twenty 304 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: four year olds half naked body the following day and 305 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: called police. A search for the suspects was launched, with 306 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: police eventually tracking them both down and here is Alisa 307 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: Himan NBC six South Florida wt VJ. According to detectives, 308 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Vari Callier and twenty four year 309 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: old Dorian Taylor were seen on surveillance video walking with 310 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: the victim into the hotel, adding the video made it 311 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: clear the victim was intoxicated or drugged and unable to 312 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: give consent. She was actually are you staggering a little bit? 313 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: And at one point coll defended Taylor held her behind 314 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: her or on her neck to basically keep her stable. 315 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: The detective told the judge one of the defendants admitted 316 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: they had sex with her, and once she was unconscious, 317 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: The detective said, they stole her phone, credit cards in cash. 318 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Did they ever try and call for her assistance from 319 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: her call nine one one to try and get her help? Oh? Man, 320 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not so convinced that she was alive 321 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: when they left the room. Hey, back to you. Joseph 322 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. How long does 323 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: a rufy stay in your system? And is a rufie 324 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: the same as GHB Gama hi droxy beauty? Right? Is 325 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: that what a rufi is? Yeah, they're all similar and 326 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: they're in the same family. This is if what they're 327 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: saying is accurate. This is a drug for hib and 328 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: all and so yeah, they're kind of in the same 329 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: fact family. But this is the thing about it, Nancy, 330 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: if she is dead, it's not going to matter if if, say, 331 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: for instance, she would have died in short order, so 332 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: the body stops metabolizing the drug at that point. So 333 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: we've got them. We've got them because at posts at autopsy. 334 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: Remember this autopsy is pending toxicology, Nancy, it's pending toxicology, 335 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: So it's going to be there and we will be 336 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: able to get or the Miami Dade Medical Examinera will 337 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: be able to get exacting levels in her system that 338 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: can marry up to the combination of alcohol she probably 339 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: had on board as well, that in and of itself 340 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: might be lethal. Okay, but I suspect that there's something 341 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: else going on here, because this is a sexual attack. 342 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a lot of anger that's involved 343 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: in this. It would not, It would not. It would 344 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: not surprise me if suffocation or some kind of obstruction 345 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: the airway is not involved in this case. Yeah, they 346 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: keep saying we're wending on toxicology, But I'm just wondering 347 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: if she died a positional asphyxia, in other words, lying 348 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: there on the bed, passed out, if a pillow was 349 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: right here, she could have died that way. This is 350 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: still felony murder. I don't know why they keep saying 351 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: we're waiting on toxicology. I don't care if it was 352 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: a percocet or a roofy GHB gama hi droxybautary. Whatever happened, 353 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: it made her pass out, They raped her, They committed burglary, 354 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: by their own admission, and she's dead. I mean, Kim 355 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to Avignon. Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly. Felony murder 356 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: does not require intent. It doesn't matter if it was 357 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: a percocet or a Roofy, the date rape drug. It 358 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: matters they gave it to her, they had sex with 359 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: her when she was unconscious, and she died. It doesn't 360 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: matter if they intended to cure. Right that I mean, 361 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: felony murder, it doesn't. You know, your other other types 362 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: of murder, you look at what the person intended to 363 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: have cause happen. But in felony murder, what you're looking 364 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: at was someone in the course of committing a felony 365 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: and did they commit an act clearly dangerous to human life? 366 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: And so you know it's it's there's a million versions 367 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: of it. But to your point, if you are committing 368 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: a felony and a sexual assault of burglary, all those 369 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: would count as a felony, and then it is dangerous 370 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: to human life. I e. You see someone who's clearly 371 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: from the pill you gave them, clearly in distress, maybe 372 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: not breathing, those kind of things, then yes, you're that 373 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: is clearly dangerous to human life. Here's the example I 374 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: would always give juries. Let's use Jackie here in the 375 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: studio with me Jackie and I designed Robin Bank and 376 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: we agree nobody's gonna get hurt. We go in. Jackie 377 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: gets wild hair, pulls her oozy and start shooting Gus 378 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: down and tell her I'm like what, I'm on the 379 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: hook for a felony murder. I didn't want anybody to die, 380 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. I'm committing a felony and a 381 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: death occurs. Bam, felony murder. Here they're committing a burglary, 382 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: which means you go into a dwelling, be in a 383 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: hotel room and you commit a felony with intent to 384 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: commit a felony. They're in rape or stealing, and somebody dies. 385 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: That's all it is. Now that is implied. There's implied 386 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: intent as well and explicit. For instance, you I take 387 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: a gun, I point it and pull the trigger. What 388 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: do I intend to happen? A death that's different from 389 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: felony murder, and I think that's what they need to 390 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: be looking at. Felony murder. Guys, take a listen to 391 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: our cut eight. This is Alicia read CBS three KYWTV Philly. 392 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: Listen to these two. When apprehended on Ocean Drive, police 393 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: say Collier was wearing the same pans seen on surveillance 394 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the night he was with the victim. Taylor was not 395 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: only seen on video using the victim's credit card at 396 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: a liquor store. Police see Christine's cell phone and additional 397 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: green pills were found in his bag. The codefendants are 398 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: facing sexual battery, burglary, credit card fraud, and theft charges 399 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and I'm studying a bond. He's being held no bond. 400 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: It's a very serious charge. He battered helpless victim. Doctor 401 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: Alan Blockkey, PhD. Clinical psychologist, Doctor block Key. I had 402 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: so many memories from cases I prosecuted, but I want 403 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: to compare something. I remember trying a drug lord and 404 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: I really wanted him behind bars because he's sold to 405 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: minors and he's sold by his school. I'm talking heroin 406 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: and cocaine. He didn't care. So the night of the offense, 407 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: it was dark outside and the witness didn't get a 408 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: good look, but could very easily describe the red I 409 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: think it was Adidas track suit top and bottom with 410 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: the white stripes going down the side. You know how 411 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: happy I was, Blockkey. When the guy comes into court 412 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: that day he was out on bond in the red 413 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Adida's track suit Nary was and in this case, these 414 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: guys have on the same clothing they were wearing in 415 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: the video the night she died. Plus they still have 416 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: her cell phone and her credit cards on them when 417 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: they're arrested. I mean, Blockie, what are they thinking They're 418 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: still wearing the same clothes. The ultimate of arrogance, you know, 419 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: like they're protected. Nobody's going to get them. They're anonymous, 420 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: nobody has seen anything. We're arrogant. We pulled it off, 421 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: and not only did we pull it off, We're gonna 422 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: do it again because I guarantee you if they had 423 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: not been apprehended, they would have tried it again. And 424 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure they've done it in the past. It's the 425 00:26:49,000 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: ultimate of arrogance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. As we 426 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: are talking about the death of a beautiful young girl, 427 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: nursing student, putting herself through school at jewels, thin crust 428 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: there in Philly, so happy to get to go on 429 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: spring break, these two guys have more. Collier and Dorian 430 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: Taylor have just appeared in court Alexa's RuSHA. Why were 431 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: they in court where they were requesting to be released 432 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: from jail? And in fact callier sister came down from 433 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: North Carolina and begged the judge to let them be 434 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: released on bonna, and the judge said, no, these guys 435 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: are staying in jail. We don't even know what she 436 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: died from yet, and we're not taking a chance that 437 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna let them out and that they will disappear 438 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: and not come back and not be held responsible for this. 439 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: So this is their very first court appearance and they 440 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: are sitting in jail still. And I think it's really 441 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: important to point out as Jess goot Morgan said that 442 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: the pills are green, and that reporter a new said 443 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: they were found with a bag of those. They definitely 444 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had a whole bag, that's what 445 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: they local reporter just said, yeah, was a bag. They 446 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: were using these, And I guess that goes back to 447 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: what Blockkey. Doctor Blockkey said earlier would probably use them again. 448 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about this happening to Natalie Holloway. 449 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: But do you remember the case of the Stanford star student, Yes, 450 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: Brock Turner, as I recall his name, take a listen 451 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: to our friends at Inside Edition. Former Stanford University star 452 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: swimmer Brock Turner got just six months after being convicted 453 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: of sexual assault. He will be released in three months. 454 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: A sentence has led to outrage. A petition calling for 455 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Judge Aaron Persky to step down has one point five 456 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: million signatures. And in that case, the victim of the 457 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: sex assault had been slipped a ruthie at a frat 458 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: party and she wakes up outside by a dumpster being 459 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: assaulted in the dirt. And of course here is Jeff 460 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: Glore at CBS regarding Holloway. Natalie Holloway charged with the 461 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: murder of twenty one year old Stephanie Flores. You're in 462 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Vanderslote has been talking, but not about that murder case. 463 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: During an interview with a Dutch newspaper, Vendorslote admits to 464 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: extorting twenty five thousand dollars from the parents of Natalie 465 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: Holloway in exchange for the location of their daughter's body. 466 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: When asked why, he says he did it because he 467 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: wanted to get back at them and by all accounts, 468 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: alexis terrez Chick. Natalie Holloway goes to a bar while 469 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: on a school break their senior trip, Carlos and Charlie's 470 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: down in a Ruba and suddenly, after a drink at 471 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: the bar, she leaves with a guy she's never met before. 472 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: He later says she started foaming at the mouth and died. Obviously, 473 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: have him been slipped a roofy? Do you remember that, Alexis? 474 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: I do because I knew I knew some friends of 475 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: hers in Mountain Brook, Alabama. But I think that he 476 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: lied so much. Lauren Banners lied so much and he 477 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: liked He manipulated Natalie's mom for years talking about how 478 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: what he had done to her, and finally admitted they 479 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: had sex on Well, his admission was they had sex 480 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: on the beach and she started growing up. No, this 481 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: is the same as the situation. She was raped and 482 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: probably died and then he got rid of her body. 483 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: So let me ask you, Justin Boordman, a former detective 484 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: was Valley CITYPD at Justin Boordman dot com. Now, Justin, 485 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: there's so many directions to go improving this case. What 486 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: would you do first? Well, I would do a lot 487 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: of the Certainly, the video of him is super important. 488 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: We talked about a little bit about the pants that 489 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: the suspects were wearing. Also complete a warrant for each 490 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: one of the suspects bodies and have the forensic exam 491 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: done on the males as well. There would be a 492 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: lot of evidence there on certain body parts and so 493 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: on and so forth. I would also build a track record, 494 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: so I would want to show how they planned this out, 495 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: how they target targeted her, and this was targeted so 496 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Florida right now and legislators are addressing their hate crimes statute. 497 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: This was women are are targeted much more than other 498 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: classes of people, and they targeted her because she was 499 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: a woman, you know, being a hate crime. But you're 500 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, And I want to follow up with something 501 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: you and Dr Allen Blockkey. Was your referring to the 502 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: arrogance that they had Alexis terresschik. Isn't it true that 503 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: after this incident where Christine Inglehart is left for dead 504 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: or dead, they're then caught photo bombing another young girl 505 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: out on the boardwalk they're along the ocean. Did you 506 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: see that? I did? And I am just again so 507 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: impressed how quickly these guys were caught. To me, they 508 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: just look like regular young men. Nothing about them. They're 509 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: no like crazy tattoos that identify them or anything like that. 510 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: But that they were so quickly identified in social media. Yeah, 511 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: there were photo bombing other women, but there's other things. 512 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: For instance, her credit cards were used. So they go 513 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: to those locations and they see even better photos photo 514 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: surveillance of these two of what they look like. But yeah, 515 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: out of the thousands and thousands of people flooding Miami 516 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: for spring break, I mean, they've had to put in 517 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: a curfew. They're calling in five law enforcement agencies to 518 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: keep the peace in Miami right now. Everything's gone haywire. 519 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: And in the middle of this, Christine Engelhart ends up dead. 520 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: So Joe Scott Morgan, let me talk to you about 521 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: cod cause of death. In my mind, that is going 522 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: to be the critical factor in this case. Apparently we're 523 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: the only ones thinking about felony murder as an option 524 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: because they are saying they got to figure out what 525 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: the drug was. I don't think the drug matters. Could 526 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: she have died a positional asphyxia? How would a rufie 527 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: kill her? How could percoset kill her? Give me your 528 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: best analysis, jo Scott Morgan, Yeah, I sure will. And 529 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: this is that, you know, let's reflect back what we 530 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: said just a month ago. When you're talking about Natalie's 531 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: death and he had mentioned that she was foaming at 532 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: the mouth. Do you remember that. Well, one of the 533 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: things that's going on with that, with that is that 534 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: the drug that he is applying can sent her into 535 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: respiratory failure. Now it doesn't matter if you know what 536 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: happens is that her respiratory system has shut down again. 537 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: Did they smother her in addition to that, or did 538 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: they try to choke her out? You have this kind 539 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: of this substance that's helping this event along because it's suppressed. 540 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: She's already compromised. Nancy, here's my worry about this, because 541 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: Miami is chaotic right now. All of our kids at 542 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: JCU are on spring break this week, and I've been 543 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: watching the news and everything that's going on down there. 544 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: How many other people, how many other young women had 545 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: these two already targeted? Because the sexual assault element to 546 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: this is so very shameful that sometimes women won't report it. 547 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: Victims won't report it. They've got a sack of these pills, Nancy, 548 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I wonder how many other young women spring break has 549 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: been going on for a while down there, are they 550 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: just kind of floating around and targeting these people? You know, 551 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: she had mentioned that they were actually photo bombed people. 552 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: That you're that bold. That means that you've set up 553 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: a target group out there where you're going around, you're 554 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: looking for people specifically. And unfortunately, this poor this poor woman, 555 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: this poor woman was a wound up in this lethal 556 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: situation which they killed her. This is a murder and 557 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: let's don't forget this, Nancy Barta is a capital offense day, 558 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: so we'll see how this plays. And another thing to 559 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: Kim Davignon, Assistant DA in Tarrant County, Texas. I saw 560 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: that one of the defendants, and I believe was ever 561 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: more Collier in that bond hearing, was wearing a suicide 562 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: vest one. And this is the law, black and white 563 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: letter of the law that will be given to this jury. 564 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: One may immediately regret the deed thereafter, but that does 565 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: not negate the intent nor the act at the time 566 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: of the offense. Agree, disagree, Agree. I mean, there's we 567 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: don't look at a case and say you still felt 568 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: bad about it later, so it doesn't matter. It's what 569 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: you did in the moment. And to the point we 570 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: just made clearly they didn't feel bad afterwards. They went 571 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: out and could a party need. Thank you, Kim. He's 572 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: crying now, but he wasn't crying in that liquor store, 573 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: that photo bomb. We wait as justice unfolds. To all 574 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: of you spring Breakers, if you have video, if you 575 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: have pictures, look at them. Tell us what you can find. 576 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: Call one eight hundred six five six hope one eight 577 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: hundred and six five six four six seven three. We 578 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story signing off, 579 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: goodbye friend