1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld. When a drug addled Hunter 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Biden abandoned his waterlogged computer at a Mac repair shop 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: in Delaware in the spring of twenty nineteen, just six 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: days before his father announced his candidacy for the United 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: States presidency, it became the ticking time bomb in the 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: shadows of Joe Biden's campaign. The dirty secrets contained an 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Hunter's laptop almost derailed his father's presidential campaign and ignited 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: one of the greatest media cover ups in American history, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: until the story was suppressed by big tech and the 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: left wing media. Just this week, though, Elon Musk has 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: released new documents that reveal Twitter's role in the suppression 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: of the story. Here to give us the update on 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: everything going on with this story, I'm really pleased to 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: welcome back my guest Miranda Divine. Her book Laptop from Hell, Biden, 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Big Tech and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Hide was published in November twenty twenty one, and she's 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: been tracking this story for The New York Post ever since. Miranda, 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me again on news World. 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Thanks great to be with you, and I understand Laptop 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: from How is the number one bestseller in Censorship and 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: Politics on Amazon this week, which is somehow wonderfully ironic. 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: So congratulations on the book continuing to do well. Thank you. 23 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: It's gratifying, and I'm glad that a lot of people 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: and increasing numbers of people are actually finding out the 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: truth about Joe Biden and his family's influence peddling scheme, 26 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: because that's what the book is all about, that's what 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: the Republican investigations are all about. Coming up in January. 28 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: It's Joe Biden, really, not Hunter Biden. It's just that 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: he was so drug adult and so angry with his 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: family that he abandoned his laptop a couple of weeks 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: before Joe Biden announced his candidacy for the White House, 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: and the information on that laptop has been a never 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: ending source of evidence and sort of corroboration of the 34 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: other witnesses that have come forward to describe the corruption 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was involved in when he was Vice 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: president and which really is to the detriment of America's 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: national security. You wrote about a great deal of this 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: in your book on Laptop from How Hunter Biden Big 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: Check and the Dirty Secrets the President tried to hide. 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: Could you briefly outline us the nature of what was 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: in the laptop and why the laptop is so really extraordinary. 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: There's something to pop up and become public. The laptop 43 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: alone is really not enough. It needs to be connected 44 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: to two other big pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, and 45 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: those are Tiny bob Lynsky, hunter Biden's former business partner, 46 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: his testimony, his five hour interview that he gave to 47 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: the FBI before the twenty twenty election about what he 48 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: knew about Joe Biden's involvement in this scheme and the 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: millions of dollars that came through to Biden family coffers 50 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: from China and Russia, Ukraine, etc. So that's Tony Bobolynski. 51 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: And then the other piece of the jigsaw puzzle is, 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: of course the excellent and unherlded work by Chuck Grasley 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: and Ron Johnson the Senate Republicans in September of twenty 54 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty was their first report into Hunter Biden and corruption. 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: They focused initially on the Barisma grift that you corrupt 56 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: Ukrainian energy company that was paying Hunter Biden a million 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: dollars a year to sit on its board with zero 58 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: experience or skills to do so, so they focused on that. 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: But they also found through Treasury Department documents, through so 60 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: called suspicious activity reports that banks are to file with 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: Treasury whenever there is some sort of untoward or suspicious 62 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: looking amount of money that's coming in from sanctioned people 63 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: or criminals or oligarchs, or the money might be used 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: for sex trafficking or any kind of nefarious purposes, so 65 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: they're required to flag those suspicious activity reports. That's what 66 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: they did. They were over a hundred for Hunter Biden, 67 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: Jim Biden, and so on. So those three pieces, and 68 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: you add to that what's on the laptop, which just 69 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: buttresses and augments and corroborates what we found in the 70 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: Johnson Grassley and the Bobolynsky material. And then there's also 71 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: something extra on the laptop. It's only a little glimpse, 72 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: but what it shows is that Joe Biden financially benefited 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: from the money Hunter Biden was bringing in from these 74 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: suspects sources in China and Ukraine and Russia. And it's 75 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: just a little bit, but it shows Hunter Biden was 76 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: paying for some of the upkeep and maintenance on one 77 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's mansions in Delaware. He also was paying 78 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: for a cell phone, and he also had shared bank 79 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: accounts with his father with Joe Biden. That we're being 80 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: managed by a guy called Eric Schwerin, who should be 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: a very interesting target for a subpoena. I think for 82 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: the Republicans when they come into how I'm reminded a 83 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: little bit of Watergate, where the original break in could 84 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: have been contained and Nixon got talked in to cover up, 85 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: and the cover up became the real scandal, not the 86 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: original break in. And in a sense, you have you 87 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: have sort of three parallels here. One is you have 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: this entire system of censorship and suppression. You know when 89 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: you all published an article at the New York Post 90 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: entitled smoking gun Email reveals how Hunter Biden introduced Ukrainian 91 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: businessman to VP Dad. This was October fourteenth of twenty twenty. 92 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Within our Twitter suppressed the story and not only suppressed it, 93 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: but suppressed it with blocking its transmission by direct message, 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: which is a tool that they used to use only 95 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: for things like child pornography. So clearly there was a 96 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: triple scandal here. One scandal is the way in which 97 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: the social media were methodically censoring and blocking the American 98 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: people from learning the truth. The second, it seems to me, 99 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: is the degree to which the government was engaged in 100 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: the censorship and the relationship, how close the relationships were, 101 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: clearly violating the First Amendment and doing so in a 102 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: deliberately partisan way. It violates everything about how we thought 103 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the politics and Americas should be. And then the third scandal, 104 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: it seems to me, is the degree to which the 105 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: Justice Department, instead of methodically trying to figure out where 106 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: all this foreign money went and what all these foreign 107 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: source has methodically tried to suppress the entire investigation. It's 108 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: a little bit like wa again and that you're seeing 109 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: the leaks begin to occur in the ship. But what's 110 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: your take? Yeah, I totally agree with you. The cover up, 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: just as in Watergate, has ended up being at least 112 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: as big, if not bigger, than the original story of corruption, 113 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: which after all is a kind of Washington wide disease. 114 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: But what we saw from the cover up was the 115 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: big tech titans came out of the shadows and they 116 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: actually exercised the power that we really weren't aware quite 117 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: how powerful they were. But it was so important to 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: them before the twenty twenty election to crush our story 119 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: that they showed themselves. So it was Facebook first, actually 120 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: that censored the post, and in fact, a Democratic operative 121 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: who worked for Facebook tweeted on Twitter that they were 122 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: doing that, and very quickly after that, Twitter also took 123 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: down the story and lotched The New York Post's account 124 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: for more than two weeks until just a couple of 125 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: days before the election. And we now know because Elon 126 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: Musk has bought Twitter and believes in free speech, he says, 127 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: so he's starting to release what he calls the Twitter files, 128 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: basically the details of this censorship regime that was operating 129 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: at that company. And we're finding that the censorship of 130 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: The New York Post was really just one element. Yes, 131 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: they censored us egregious and yes, the FBI came to 132 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Twitter before the election and prebunked our story. Basically, the 133 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: FBI was having weekly meetings with Twitter and Facebook, Apple, Google, 134 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: all the big tech companies, and I don't know what 135 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: they told the others other than we know Mark Zuckerberg 136 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: said they warned Facebook that there would be a dump 137 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: of Russian disinformation that fit the pattern of the your 138 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: post story about the Hunter Biden laptop before the twenty 139 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: twenty election. But we have even more details from Twitter. 140 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: We know from Joel Roth, the head of side integrity there, 141 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: that the FBI in their weekly meetings warned them that 142 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: in October of twenty twenty, there was likely to be 143 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: a dump of hacked material relating to Hunter Biden, and 144 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: the FBI even asked in those meetings. So if that happened, 145 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: what are you going to do about it? It was 146 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: as much of a direct threat and an assault on 147 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: the First Amendment by the federal government as you could 148 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: ever find. I mean, they will deny this and so on. 149 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: But we haven't seen any more information about the FBI 150 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: intervention and election interference from Elon Musk and Twitter. But 151 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: what we did see in the second round of Twitter 152 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: files that Barry Weiss released as the sort of proxy 153 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: for Elon Musk that there were just reams of conservative 154 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: of accounts only conservatives who were censored, band shadow band suppressed. 155 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: And this was done deliberately by the higher ups at 156 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: Twitter to suppress dissent anything against the Biden administration, particularly 157 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: when it came to COVID vaccine mandates. Mask mandates concerns 158 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: or actually data, scientific data about the harms to children 159 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: outweighing the benefits of getting COVID shots. And you had 160 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: an eminent doctor Jajaria who was shadow band. We now 161 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: know Elon Musk has released the data for his account. 162 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: Basically his views were suppressed. And this is a cross 163 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: big tech. You know, this is the most enormous assault 164 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: on freedom, and it's global, it's the entire world. Is 165 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: this psychological warfare? This is an effort successful to control 166 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: our minds, to control our thoughts, to control what information 167 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: we have access to. It is the most frightening orwellian, 168 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Tyranny is the only thing you can say. 169 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: And it's happened under our noses without anyone really being aware. 170 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I think the laptop, the censorship of 171 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: the New York Post, the oldest newspaper in the country, 172 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: was really the first alarm bell for me and a 173 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of people that went off. And then shortly afterwards 174 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook d platform to sitting president of the 175 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: United States. To have that much power even shocked Emmanuel 176 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Macron in France. You know, this is a threat, an 177 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: existential threat to democracy and the Democrats, it's all in 178 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: their favor. So of course they're running around doing what 179 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: they normally do and projecting and using their opponents of 180 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: their own sins. So that's why they carry on a 181 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: democracy being under threat. But they're the ones who are 182 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: attacking democracy using the full power of the security apparatus. 183 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: The FBI, former CIA officials of the fifty one who 184 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: wrote that scoreless letter lying about our story and saying 185 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: that it was Russian disinformation, having not done any research, 186 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: having not looked at the material, and we now find 187 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: that the former FBI top lawyer James Baker, who got 188 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: parachuted into Twitter five months before the twenty twenty election, 189 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: you can only think as a gatekeeper to ensure that 190 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: no detrimental information about Joe Biden, of which the Democrats 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: knew there was lots, ever saw the light of day. 192 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: James Baker, now it turns out, we find is actually 193 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: connected to I found at least seven or eight of 194 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: those fifty one former intelligence officials. Baker himself becomes almost 195 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: a key central figure, doesn't he, First in his FBI 196 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: role and then in this kind of amazing transition from 197 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: being the bad guy at the FBI to becoming the 198 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: bad guy at Twitter, which first of all, he's obviously 199 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: got really good connections, but he's also as he's sort 200 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: of just the tip of a network of people who 201 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: were at the FBI who were all basically doing bad things. Yes, 202 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: he was fired by Elon Musk a few days ago 203 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: because Elon Musk found that in fact, as you know, 204 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: we suspected when that first tranche of Twitter files came out, 205 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: that he had suppressed James Backert, suppressed and sensed and 206 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: perhaps even deleted some of the information about the FBI. 207 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: I mean, Elon must doesn't say about the FBI, but 208 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: that's my feeling, is about the FBI involvement in the 209 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: censorship of the New Post story. And the FBI's role 210 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: is really nefarious. You look at the fact that they 211 00:13:53,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: were covertly surveilling, spying on Rudy Giuliani's cloud for two years, 212 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: starting a month after he became then President Donald Trump's 213 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: personal lawyer, and right through twenty twenty when in August 214 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, Rudy Giuliani received an email from the 215 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: computer repair shop owner John paulmac Isaac, who had the 216 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: laptop that Hunter Biden had dropped off and never picked up, 217 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: and he'd started to look at it. He'd had it 218 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: already for over a year, and he'd started to look 219 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: at it and was concerned about the material on there 220 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to do particularly with Ukraine, and he saw the money 221 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: that was going through. He knew that there was an 222 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: impeachment of Donald Trump over Ukraine, and he was a conservative, 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: and he was concerned about the national security implications of 224 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: the material on the laptop, and he was scared, and 225 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: he wanted to give it to the FBI, which he 226 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: did in December of twenty nineteen, but they showed really 227 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: no interest. He took him two months to get them 228 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: to take it, and then they threatened him as they 229 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: left and said, well, in our experience, nothing bad happens 230 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: to people who keep their mouths shut. I'm paraphrasing, but 231 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: something to that effect. And so that sort of troubled 232 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: him over the ensuing months, and finally he decided to 233 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: contact Rudy Giuliani, having unsuccessfully tried to contact various members 234 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: of Congress. Rudy Giuliani took the email and answered it, 235 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: or his lawyer did, and so the FBI had access 236 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: to that email from John Paul Maciaac that gave chapter 237 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: and verse, including screenshots of the really troubling material about 238 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: the Biden family's influence peddling operation. And then they also 239 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: the FBI had access to Rudy Giuliani's communications with me 240 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: in October of twenty twenty when I was talking to 241 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: him about the New York Post. The story you hold off. 242 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: You know the story is going to run, and it's 243 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: a great story. I didn't say too much, but it 244 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: was enough for them to pick up that The New 245 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: York Post was about to publish. And therefore that makes 246 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: even more sinister their pre briefings to Facebook and Twitter 247 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: about this impending dump of hacked material about Hunter Biden. 248 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: That was our story they were talking about. And therefore, 249 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: on the morning of October fourteen, twenty twenty, when our 250 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: story went live at five am, it took Twitter and 251 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: Facebook no time to recognize it immediately for what the 252 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: FBI had warned them about. And then they brought down 253 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: the pammer and they sensed it, and that had an 254 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: impact on the election. Can you explain shadow banning shadow banning, 255 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: which Twitter denied doing and which they call something else 256 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: that they've got some euphemism for it, and basically what 257 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: it means is you don't actually ban or block the account, 258 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: because then the person knows. What you do is you 259 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: limit their visibility of their tweets. You surreptitiously remove their followers, 260 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: You stop any new followers, you take away their followers. 261 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: You ensure that their tweets don't go into the trending category. 262 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: You basically suppress them, hide them, hide their tweets away 263 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: from seeing the light of day, and the user doesn't 264 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: know they're happily tweeting away. They might notice that their 265 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: following numbers haven't grown, or that people they used to 266 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: follow don't follow them anymore, or that tweets that they 267 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: thought would go viral go nowhere and only have a 268 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: panful of likes on them. Conservatives talk about it all 269 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: the time. We had a vague feeling about it. You 270 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: could have approve it, and it was clever for Twitter 271 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: to do that than to outright band someone because then 272 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: banning someone, as we saw when they banned libs of TikTok. 273 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: That brought a lot of support from Seth Dillon from 274 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: the Babylon b who also was banned by Twitter. Other 275 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: people rallied around and gathered money for lawsuits and so on. 276 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: So it was much easier and less trouble for Twitter 277 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: just to kind of block people by proxy without letting 278 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: them know, just by burying their tweets. Sounds to me 279 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: like what you're describing has two different big implications for 280 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: the Republicans who are looking at this. One is that 281 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: they need to look at Google and Facebook or a 282 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: meta as it's now called, as well as looking at 283 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Twitter and realize that the three of them collectively have 284 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: a negative impact which is almost universally pro left and 285 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: anti rate. Yeah. I totally agree. And in fact, there's 286 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: a professor called Epstein who has done a lot of 287 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: amazing research on this, and he's sound that before the 288 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election that Google had an enormous impact by 289 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: suppressing search terms, by also putting out get out the 290 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: vote messages not to conservatives, only to people who were 291 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: liberals or independents. And in fact, the Media Research Center 292 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: just last week put out a new batch of research 293 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: that they did which showed that Google had interfered in 294 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the Georgia runoff by ensuring that warnockx sites and positive 295 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: stories about him were high up in the search terms 296 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: on the first page, and that Hersha Walker's material was buried, 297 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: never on the first page. And this was only done, 298 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: not universally, but only in sort of swing areas. And 299 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: the thing is that Google has enormous amounts of material 300 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: on us. It's basically a surveillance platform. And in fact, 301 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: all the big tech platforms are Google makes billions of 302 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: dollars every year from sell our private information. And on 303 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: the surface, we have all these free apps, we have 304 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Google Maps, Google Search, and we think, oh, isn't this great. 305 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: They're making money out of selling our information. They know 306 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: every single thing about us. They know how we vote, 307 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: they know where we live, they know where we go, 308 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: they know what we spend. It's a frightening situation. And 309 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't think we have this illusion that we live freely, 310 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: but I think that we are under as oppressive a 311 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: regime potentially as anything in China. I was just talking 312 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: to somebody about the problem with oil energy problems, and 313 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: there's a real shortage of diesel oil in the northeast 314 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: of America, and the oil companies are puzzled about why 315 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: the administration will not allow ships a waiver of a 316 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: certain Act to allow ships to ship it up to 317 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: the Northeast, and we were talking about it, and the 318 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: oil companies are just puzzled because this would be a 319 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: political problem for the Biden administration. You would think if 320 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: trucks can't travel and there's a diesel sort of shortage, 321 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: But then we thought, well, they don't really care that 322 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: much about making voters angry because they've sort of got 323 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the election locked up and they've got the information dissemination 324 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: locked up. So if people don't know that there's a 325 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: shortage in the Northeast, then the only people that will 326 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: complain will be a few truckers. And then those few truckers, 327 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: if they have the protest or carry on about it, 328 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: they could be targeted by the DOJ as domestic terrorists. 329 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: And like we saw with the Canadian truckers, then there's 330 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: access to their bank accounts to shut them off. And 331 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: that surveillance and control by the tech oligopolies already exists, 332 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and they are in bed with the Biden administration. Well, 333 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean left wing governments everywhere across the world. This 334 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: is the big challenge for the Republicans. And I know 335 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz is on top of the Google problem, but 336 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: even he has said that it's a really devilish problem 337 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: to fix. How do you control them? I mean, you 338 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: could break up their power. I guess that's the start, 339 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: But it's going to have to take the best brains 340 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party to do this, and you're not 341 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: going to get any help from the Democrats. If you 342 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: look at the FEC reports, in twenty twenty, ninety eight 343 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: point seven percent of Twitter employees donated to Democrats. In 344 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, it was ninety nine point seventy three percent. Netflix, Airbnb, Apple, Lift, 345 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: Google Salesforce, Facebook, Tesla, eBay. You know, you go down 346 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: the line. I mean the most Uber has eighteen and 347 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: a half percent of employee donations to midterm candidates were 348 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: to Republicans. That's the most conservative company. All these tech 349 00:22:52,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: companies are overwhelmingly staffed by left wing actor. When you 350 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: look specifically at how Twitter was operating, Jack Dorsey, who 351 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: was then the CEO, went to the Congress, who made 352 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: a series of explicit assertions that it now looks were 353 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: either a sign he didn't know what was going on 354 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: or just plane lies. And you don't quite know which 355 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: it is because they claim that the decision to suppress 356 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: the New York Post story was quote made at the 357 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: highest levels of the company, but without the knowledge of 358 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: the CEO. Now, how can it be the highest levels 359 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: of the company if the CEO doesn't nobody. Yeah, and look, 360 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey hired these activists. He must have been on 361 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: board with what they were doing. And I think he 362 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: has to be held accountable for misleading Congress. He should 363 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: have made sure he knew what was going on before 364 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: he went to testify. But as you saw from his demeanor, 365 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: he treated it in a very casual fashion. He did 366 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: it by zoom. He shrugged his shoulders and acted zen. 367 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: I think the kid gloves that have been applied to 368 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: these people need to be taken off, and he should 369 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: be held in contempt of Congress and punished to the 370 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: full extent of the law for lying to Congress. And 371 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: as John Brennan and James Clapper should have been, it's extraordinary, 372 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: and as Christopher Ray should be. It's extraordinary that these 373 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: people are supposed to be having oversight and being accountable 374 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: and telling the truth and they don't, and nothing ever 375 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: is done, and so that just dilutes the power of 376 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: the people. It would be I think helpful for the 377 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: Congress to bring in the fifty one intelligence officers who 378 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: signed the letter, because the letter was a lie, and 379 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: we're especially to have them come in and say, now 380 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: that you know it's all I, do you apologize for 381 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: signing it? Why did you sign it? Did you have 382 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: any idea? Did you do any due diligence at all? Well, 383 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: we know they didn't, But what I want to know 384 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: is who organized it, who orchestrated it. Did you communicate 385 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: with the Biden campaign? Adam Schiff, the chairman of the 386 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: House Intel Committee, who was echoing that same lie across 387 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: CNN and MSNBC and being amplified by Google and Twitter, 388 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: whereas John Ratcliffe, the d and I was saying no, no, 389 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: this is not rush and disinformation, and you hardly ever 390 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: saw his denials because they were suppressed. Those fifty one 391 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: Intel officials would be really interesting to haul before Congress 392 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: and forced to explain themselves under oath. They include five 393 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: former CIA directors or acting directors. Certainly, John Brennan's been 394 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: proven to have lied before, as James Clapper did. I 395 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: don't know if anything can be done about it, but 396 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: we know that most of them still have their security clearances. 397 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: You know they're advising the government. These people are not trustworthy. 398 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: I was frankly astonished that the rout was as deep 399 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: as it is, the scale of sort of collective agreement 400 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: that anything you do to stop Trump is legitimate and 401 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: therefore the moral behavior, it doesn't matter how immoral you are. 402 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: The goal is so moral it erases whatever lie, whatever manipulation, 403 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: whatever unconstitutional act you undertake. Isn't it sort of astonishing 404 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: how deep and how widespread there was. Yeah, it's frightening. 405 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: But don't you think that certainly the power and the 406 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: ability to do what they did existed, That they had 407 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: been assiduously building up these networks before Trump came on 408 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: the scene, So they were ready to go. The FBI 409 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: plots to undermine Trump even before he won the election, 410 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: to noble the election, and then to cripple his administration. 411 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Those people were already in place, those political actors. And 412 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: I've asked former FBI top people who are aghast about 413 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: what's happened to their beloved bureau, and they say the 414 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: rock began a long time ago and really accelerated during 415 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: the Obama administration. I think if you go back and 416 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: you look at the degree to which, for example, Scooter Libby, 417 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: who was a totally innocent man, was framed by a 418 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: government prosecutor in a totally false way. Now you're talking 419 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: about the middle of the Bush administration. So probably the 420 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: right began sometime in the Clinton years and just accelerated. 421 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: And then of course I think the Obama people were 422 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: quite deliberate about it, as they were at the Pentagon. 423 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they had a model they wanted to imploment, 424 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: and they were pretty ruthless in pursuing it, you know. 425 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: And in terms of the coast to some of this, 426 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: the Republican National Committee chairwoman said to me that the 427 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: last four days of the month, Google did not deliver 428 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: Republican fundraising emails. And my point on was, well, then 429 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: why don't you see that that's an FEC violation. They 430 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: are making an effect a contribution to the Democratic Party. 431 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Republicans are just not aggressive enough. They don't realize none 432 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: of these people are playing a fair game. None of 433 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: these people are playing by the rules. And unless you're 434 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: prepared to be as tough as they are, they're just 435 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: going to gradually run over you. Absolutely. And you know, 436 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: even if you think that your FEC complaint will go nowhere, 437 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: it will still elicit very important information. That's how we 438 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: know that Joel Roth made that sworn declaration in Twitter's 439 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: defense to the FEC against a complaint by a small 440 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: group called I think the Tea Party Foundation or Tea 441 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: Party Patriots Group, something like that. I've never heard of them, 442 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: but they made this FEC complaint that basically the censorship 443 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: of the New York Post was a donation in kind 444 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't declared by the Democrats, and they lost. Their 445 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: complaint was dismissed by the FEC. But along the way 446 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: they got this sworn statement by Joel Roth, head of 447 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: side Integrity at Twitter, who then divulged because he was 448 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: trying to get Twitter off the hook that it was 449 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: the FBI that coerced them to censor the New York 450 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: Post because the FBI told them to look out for 451 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: this hunter. Biden hacked material in October. So it's useful. 452 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: You have to do it. And I look at what 453 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: the dark money groups, three of them that I know 454 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: of that have been already set up. David Brock is 455 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: running one of them from Media Matters, the old Clinton guy. 456 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: These are serious, hardcore, ruthless people with a lot of money, 457 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: and they are setting up as we speak, opposition research 458 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: against the Republican House members who will be heading up 459 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: the committees. It'll be vile, is about Jim Jordan and 460 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: James Comer and whoever else is going to be effective, 461 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: and they will then leak that to an unquestioning New 462 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: York Times, Washington Post and so on. I'm fully prepared 463 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: for attacks. This is going to be a blitzkrieg, and 464 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: the Republicans, I hope, are going to fight fire with fire. 465 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: There are things that they can do, and I'm sure 466 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: that there are people and money that they can call 467 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: on to do it. But they can't just rest on 468 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: their laurels and think that they're just going to conduct 469 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: an investigation and everything is going to work in a 470 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: systematic way. No, this is full scale war, and I 471 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: hope they're prepared for it. I think that's exactly right. 472 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: And I think, frankly, the Republicans have been far too soft, 473 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: far too appeasement oriented and reasonable in dealing with people 474 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: who wanted to destroy them. Why is that. I think 475 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: it's the culture. I think the party culture, because they 476 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: grew up in a belief in sort of the World 477 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: or two Good America, because there's a parent effort to 478 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: try to draw people back into reasonableness. Surely they can't 479 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: mean that, Oh yes they do. And if you come 480 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: out of a semi Marxist background of contempt for bourgeois behaviors, 481 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: lying is perfectly reasonable. And it's at the heart of 482 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: all of the training and rebel reefer radicals and rules 483 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: for radicals, and of course you lie to your enemies. 484 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: Is It's what Lenin was all about. Reasonable people have 485 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: to learn to be functionally unreasonable if they're in a 486 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: fight with people who want to destroy them. And we've 487 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: done this at the time. We did this in the 488 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Civil War, we did this in World War Two. I mean, 489 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: we know how to do it. But in a free society, 490 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: when you just want to take your kids to soccer 491 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: and have a nice afternoon and enjoy each other and 492 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: go to a restaurant where people are pleasant, it is 493 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: a huge psychological break to realize that you're in the 494 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: fight of your life. And I think that's a big thing, 495 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: one last thing before I let you go. And I'm 496 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: really gratefully give us as much time, how much you 497 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: have gone on, But how do you assess or put 498 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: in context Elon Musk's role as a citizen in opening 499 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: up the whole Twitter thing. Well, it's incredibly important. I 500 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: have great admiration for his doing as much as he 501 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: has so far. I do, though, suspect that if he 502 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: really has a smoking gun in there, which I suspect 503 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: there is when it comes to the FBI intervention in 504 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, particularly over the laptop, I think 505 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: that there is material at Twitter that would be really explosive. 506 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: And you're seeing this concerted threats by the Biden administration, 507 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: by Wall Street, by their friends in the EU, against 508 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: Elon Musk and his companies. And you know his SpaceX 509 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: and Tesla are exposed to Wall Street. They're vulnerable, vulnerable 510 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: to interventions by the Biden administration. We've had Janet Yellen 511 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 1: threatened him. We've had the White House threatened him from 512 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: the podium. We've had Joe Biden himself the very first 513 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: press conference he gave after mid terms, he threatened Elon 514 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Musk with sicking the DOJ onto him for his Twitter purchase. 515 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: So I think that it would only make sense, and 516 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't blame e Elon Musk if this is what 517 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: he's doing, and there's a pure guest, but I think 518 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: that he's probably holding onto the mother of all bombs 519 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: as insurance against these threats, because if they know that 520 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: he's got it, then they will leave him alone as 521 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: long as he doesn't release it. And he's setting in 522 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: place as a kind of a beta test. Over the 523 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: last week with these two Twitter filed dumps, he's figured 524 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: out who to give them to. Two independent journalists, Matt 525 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: Taibi and now Barry Wise, who she has a team 526 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: of journalists with her ex New York Times. They're both liberals, 527 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: so I guess it means this more likelihood that people 528 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: on the other side of the aisle listen to them. 529 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: And so he's got his information channels worked out and 530 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: he's demonstrated to his enemies in now the administration and 531 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: Wall Street, etc. I can release this big bomb if 532 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: you push me too far. And so I think it'll 533 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: be a bit of a stalemate and he'll be able 534 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: to preserve his companies because what he's done is very brave, 535 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: but he hasn't quite gone that last step. What he's 536 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: given us is really useful and we can add it 537 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: to the digsaw puzzle and keep working on it, but 538 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: I think that there is more inside Twitter that would 539 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: really really threaten this entire censorship regime across bing tech. 540 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be an amazing period to watch him. 541 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: I think between the Republican Congress or the Republican House anyway, 542 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: and the continued effort of senators like Chuck Grassley, you're 543 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: going to continue to see pressure being brought to bear, 544 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: and of course the reporting you're doing, which gets wider 545 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: and wider coverage. And I think you and The New 546 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: York Post have gained an enormous amount of credibility and 547 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: respect in the way you've approached it. I want to 548 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. I hope six months or 549 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: a year from now, but we can do this again, 550 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: and you can continue to keep us informed of what's 551 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: going on, because you have done an amazing job. And 552 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: I do want to remind everyone that we will have 553 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: a link to Laptop from Hell on our show page 554 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: so that people can buy it. Miranda, I want to 555 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me on Newtsworld. 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