Speaker 1: Practice Rolfs Patrick Textower. What a win for this Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphin team. Wow, What is up? Dolphins? And welcome to
Speaker 1: the Drive Time Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins official
Speaker 1: podcast network, covering your Miami Dolphins each and every day.
Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 1: and I am here to bring you your daily dose
Speaker 1: of Miami Dolphins football. Not today's show, it's another edition
Speaker 1: of the No the Enemy series. As we get closer
Speaker 1: and closer to training camp, we'll take a look at
Speaker 1: the Dolphins Week four opponent in the Seattle Seahawks, home
Speaker 1: to one of the more consistent outfits over the NFL
Speaker 1: the last decade. We'll discuss Pete Carroll's defense, Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: greatness and how those two work in tandem, among a
Speaker 1: variety of Seahawks topics. All of that and more on
Speaker 1: this Monday, July the twenty edition of the Dry Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: And first up today, it's moving week for the Wingfields.
Speaker 1: We are gonna scale back on the podcast this week
Speaker 1: just a little bit, as I didn't really realize how
Speaker 1: much goes into a cross country move. So we are
Speaker 1: in the throes of it right Now I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to get another podcast out later this week, but by
Speaker 1: the end of the week, I'll be a South Florida
Speaker 1: resident and we'll be coming to you live from South
Speaker 1: Florida from here forward, and on this edition of the
Speaker 1: Drive Time one of my final podcast here in the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, we are going to continue our Know the
Speaker 1: Enemy series with our seventh of thirteen teams on the
Speaker 1: Dolphins schedule, and do that with a team here in
Speaker 1: the Northwest, with the Seattle Seahawks. We've previewed the Patriots, Bills, Jags, Niners, Broncos.
Speaker 1: We did the Raiders earlier as well, and we are
Speaker 1: now moving on to the Seattle Seahawks. And Dolphins play
Speaker 1: Seattle at home week number four on October the fourth.
Speaker 1: It's a one o'clock Eastern kickoff to host the Seattle Seahawks. Now,
Speaker 1: my whole life, I've been asked, why aren't you a
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan? Because I've never lived outside of Washington State
Speaker 1: until this week actually, and I'm a die hard Mariners fan.
Speaker 1: Go M's a big time Washington State Cougar supporter. Go Cougs,
Speaker 1: and I was a SuperSonics fan. Bring him back but
Speaker 1: I defected my NFL fandom at a very early age
Speaker 1: to South Florida and the Miami Dolphins. Perhaps it was
Speaker 1: that one trip we took to the Kingdome where we
Speaker 1: didn't go to watch King Jr. And the nineties Mariners,
Speaker 1: but rather a bad Seahawks team in lose to the
Speaker 1: Bengals and what was a very ugly football game from
Speaker 1: what I can remember, on the turf there at the Kingdom.
Speaker 1: And maybe it was that. Basically what the Seahawks were
Speaker 1: was that type of team up until Mike Holmgren got there,
Speaker 1: and I believe two thousand maybe the two thousand one season,
Speaker 1: and by that time I had already had the Aqua
Speaker 1: and Orange coursing through my veins, and they never really
Speaker 1: were a second team for me, like some folks will
Speaker 1: have with their local team. And I think that actually
Speaker 1: happens a lot in football. Like you you guys, tell
Speaker 1: me did that happen with you where you were an
Speaker 1: out of state Dolphins fan and you grew up with
Speaker 1: a little bit of disdain for your local team. I
Speaker 1: was actually a really big Joey Galloway and Sewn Springs
Speaker 1: and Ricky Waters fan that era of Seahawks football. I
Speaker 1: always thought Matt Hasselbeck was really underrated. Was a big
Speaker 1: Darryl Jackson fan, the wide receiver, but being here local
Speaker 1: after that two thousand five Super Bowl loss, the famed
Speaker 1: Steelers game, that was brutal, but it definitely got a
Speaker 1: lot worse when the Seahawks hit their stride in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve that resulted in that Super Bowl championship win
Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen. Seahawks fans were in my ear
Speaker 1: every single day, it seemed like at that point, and
Speaker 1: the common thread for that team from two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: through two thousand twenty has been Pete Carroll and of
Speaker 1: course quarterback Russell Wilson. And I think one of the
Speaker 1: more intriguing stylistic approaches to the game today is how
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are so committed to the ground game despite
Speaker 1: so Wilson's presence there on the roster. And it does
Speaker 1: make sense in the sense that if you keep the
Speaker 1: game close for us, he's probably gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to win it at the very end. Hell, he broke
Speaker 1: my heart at Centurilling Field on opening Day two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen, as I'm sure he did to all you
Speaker 1: guys out there, all you Dolphins fans out there in
Speaker 1: Dolphins Nation. When I thought we were gonna walk out
Speaker 1: of there with a big, big upset victory on opening day,
Speaker 1: but Russ hits a pair of fourth downs on that
Speaker 1: final drive and made that walk from our seats in
Speaker 1: the stadium to the car a very long one. But
Speaker 1: it's a hot debate among Seahawks fans. Should they open
Speaker 1: it up and give who I believe is the second
Speaker 1: best quarterback in football behind Patrick Mahomes some more opportunities
Speaker 1: or should they stay with the philosophy that has led
Speaker 1: to so many wins, winning seasons, division titles, playoff wins,
Speaker 1: and simply one of the three or four most successful
Speaker 1: franchises of the last decade or so. It's intriguing. And
Speaker 1: to help us out with that and the rest of
Speaker 1: this Seahawks team, let's welcome men from the Seattle Times.
Speaker 1: Bob Condota and writing Shotgun Now on the Drive Time
Speaker 1: podcast is Bob Condota. He covers the Seahawks and other
Speaker 1: sports for the Seattle Times. Bob welcome in. Hey, Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: vivis how you doing. I'm good, It's good. It's good
Speaker 1: to see you. On here a fellow Pacific Northwestern like myself.
Speaker 1: I'm actually moving out to South Florida this week, so
Speaker 1: be departing the mountains and going down for the flat
Speaker 1: lands of South Florida down there. And I want to
Speaker 1: start here and put this pressing question to you that
Speaker 1: I have here off the top and something I actually
Speaker 1: led into before I welcomed you on the show here today,
Speaker 1: and the great question about Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks their commitment to running the football and
Speaker 1: it's a formula that has really bred a bunch of
Speaker 1: victories over the last you know, decade or so, but
Speaker 1: you also have one of the truly elite quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Is there a balance they can achieve between
Speaker 1: those two existences or is it one of those things
Speaker 1: where if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think they think they have achieved that balance,
Speaker 1: and other people obviously disagree with that. You're right, you
Speaker 1: know that that's the big that's been going on for
Speaker 1: a long time, but it sort of repeated up even
Speaker 1: more maybe in last year with the with the season
Speaker 1: and the Russell had um as you know, it's This
Speaker 1: is Pete Carroll's philosophy, the way he's always coach football.
Speaker 1: And he's going to be sixty nine in September. So
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's suddenly gonna just decide everything
Speaker 1: I've ever thought about football is wrong when he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's won national championships in college and in the NFL
Speaker 1: and and the most successful coach in Seahawks history and
Speaker 1: all that. So I think, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to change a whole lot. Um. Now, there
Speaker 1: are some you know, you can go back and look
Speaker 1: and they did. You know, there have been times in
Speaker 1: peace career where he's where he's throwing it a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think he feels like the times when there's
Speaker 1: been that better balances, when he's been more successful. I
Speaker 1: also think they still feel like that suits Russell's game
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Um. Obviously, there have been times
Speaker 1: like that, a memorable win against Houston in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen where they only rest I think for twenty
Speaker 1: one yards and Russell had one of his best games
Speaker 1: ever and they beat Deshaun Watson and Houston and what
Speaker 1: was this incredible shootout? And you know there's times are
Speaker 1: willing to do that and open it up and do that.
Speaker 1: But Pete, but I think they. I think Pete still
Speaker 1: feels like the passing game is best and in a
Speaker 1: little smaller dose. I also still think they I think
Speaker 1: they think that fits Russell a little bit better. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he is, he is a little bit of
Speaker 1: an eat quarterback. He's obviously shown the ability to do everything.
Speaker 1: But I still I'm still not sure they feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you put him in a system where
Speaker 1: he throws seventy percent of the time, and this is
Speaker 1: what I think they think that that's the that he's
Speaker 1: you know that the more passing is necessarily better passing.
Speaker 1: You know, like like a lot of things in life,
Speaker 1: something can be great up to a point there is
Speaker 1: more of it even better or is more of it
Speaker 1: gonna make it worse? So, um, you know the other
Speaker 1: thing about it, And they haven't some of their attempts
Speaker 1: to really make the receiving cor leae haven't gone quite
Speaker 1: the way they'd hoped. Um. You know, they have spent
Speaker 1: a lot of resources trying to do things with the
Speaker 1: receiving corps, going all the way back to you know,
Speaker 1: his second year when they signed Sydney Rice and the
Speaker 1: trade for Percy Harmon and some of these things they've
Speaker 1: done and maybe didn't quite work out the way they hope.
Speaker 1: Some of the draft picks they've made, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of draft capital on receivers really
Speaker 1: if you go back and look, um, and not all
Speaker 1: of them have really turned out the way they hope.
Speaker 1: You know, this year now they now they have Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and they and they when one of the
Speaker 1: most significant offseasons moves was to get Greg Olsen a
Speaker 1: tight end who um, you know, if he can be
Speaker 1: the Greg Olson of a few years ago and stay healthy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, even last year he was EFFECTI when it
Speaker 1: was healthy, but I just been doing it for a
Speaker 1: full season. If he can, if he can do that
Speaker 1: for a full year, then I think they feel like
Speaker 1: they've got a really elite guy. If they have better
Speaker 1: overall receiving weapons, I think I think they'll throw it
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Um, you know, I think they've
Speaker 1: they've always played a little bit to their talent and
Speaker 1: things like that. And and like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: last year they went into the year they didn't have
Speaker 1: Doug Babbin. They didn't know for sure what they were
Speaker 1: going to have out at DK metcast. I think they
Speaker 1: went into this it was another season where they're like,
Speaker 1: we've got Chris Carson and a shot Penny and and
Speaker 1: some things like that, and we're gonna start off thinking
Speaker 1: that that's more of our approach to go um. And
Speaker 1: you know they also, I mean again they do they
Speaker 1: do hoping it up um more so when they need to.
Speaker 1: And I know that's what frustrates people as well. If
Speaker 1: you just did that from the first player of the game,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't fall into those holes. Um. Maybe someday
Speaker 1: people do that and we'll see I think somewhat overstated
Speaker 1: at times. I think you go back and look through
Speaker 1: some of the games. You know, they've had games I
Speaker 1: think where they came out throwing a little bit more
Speaker 1: than people think. There's always such an emphasis on playoff
Speaker 1: games because that's what everybody's sort of lasting impression and
Speaker 1: games that get the most viewing and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And obviously each of the last two years they had
Speaker 1: playoff games where I think people were questioning their play
Speaker 1: calling because in each you know, they sort of fell
Speaker 1: behind and then came right and then came ro and
Speaker 1: back and and um, you know, I had a chance
Speaker 1: to win at the end. And you know, so I
Speaker 1: think I think each you know, the Dallas game two
Speaker 1: years ago, in the Green Bay game last year, where
Speaker 1: people like, well if you just if you just let
Speaker 1: Russell throw more earlier, maybe you wouldn't have been in
Speaker 1: that situation. You have to come from behind. But UM,
Speaker 1: my short answer I guess after after the long winded
Speaker 1: one is I don't expect any significant change. But I
Speaker 1: do think because the fact that with Lockett having coming
Speaker 1: off a thousand yard receiving season, with DK Metcalf proving
Speaker 1: beyond a doubt you can be a really good NFL receiver.
Speaker 1: Adding Gray Wilson, they have some other receivers that are
Speaker 1: a little bit um you know they drafted Um uh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they expected it will dislie back. There there
Speaker 1: other tight end. If you go back and look was
Speaker 1: really it in the first five weeks last season. If
Speaker 1: they get him back, you know, that's four really really
Speaker 1: top quality receivers right there. Um targets so you can
Speaker 1: throw to, which is probably a better receiving corps than
Speaker 1: they had going into last year. At this time, so
Speaker 1: I think I think they may go into it with
Speaker 1: a little more of a thought of throwing a little
Speaker 1: bit more because they'll have that capability. Yeah, you're mentioned
Speaker 1: about how why don't they just do that all the time.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of every time a team has success in
Speaker 1: the two minute drill, the hurry up offense, Everyone's like, well, wow,
Speaker 1: they just run that the entire game, where it's probably
Speaker 1: not sustainable for sixty minutes, where you're gonna gash yourself
Speaker 1: and and get yourself in a position where the defense
Speaker 1: can make adjustments accordingly and and see something that's new
Speaker 1: to them and then adjust from there. So it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of a double edged sword. And and you talk
Speaker 1: about that Houston game. I'll never forget the twenty I
Speaker 1: think it was Houston game when Russell did his thing
Speaker 1: and brought the Seahawks back from down a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I think Richard Sherman had to pick six in that game.
Speaker 1: So that was two thousand. They won the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: down at Houston when they had Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: were down twenty three and came back to win. I
Speaker 1: had a whole diet try before I brought you on
Speaker 1: Bob about how I'm a Pacific Northwest native, but I
Speaker 1: grew up a Dolphins fan and now I worked for
Speaker 1: the team, and those games were always like we rooted
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks, me and my friends because we were
Speaker 1: all fans of other teams, and the Seahawks found these
Speaker 1: ways to win games. Were like, how do they keep
Speaker 1: doing this? But they did it. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: That's how they've been under Pete Carroll for a long
Speaker 1: time now. And we mentioned that core philosophy of the
Speaker 1: Seahawks in the way they you know, I like to
Speaker 1: make comparisons on these crossover podcasts where we compare these
Speaker 1: teams were playing against and how they've built their team
Speaker 1: to what the Miami Dolphins have done recently. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that the Dolphins have done the Seahawks
Speaker 1: have have done for years now is accumulate draft capital,
Speaker 1: and they do that by basically having their own board
Speaker 1: and sticking to it, trading back over and over again
Speaker 1: every single year. And we saw them kind of go
Speaker 1: of that philosophy route with the running back position by
Speaker 1: taking Rashad Penny, like you mentioned a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: They have Chris Carson in the fold who has been
Speaker 1: the guy and one of the top five backs last
Speaker 1: year in Pro Football Focus is forced miss tackle statistics
Speaker 1: Carlos Hyde there. Now, how does this backfield shake out
Speaker 1: in twenty Is it's still Chris Carson's backfield or is
Speaker 1: there going to be someone else that comes up and
Speaker 1: take some carries away? Well, I think it's Chris Carson's.
Speaker 1: But the reason they went and got Carlos yet is
Speaker 1: because of the injuries they had at the end of
Speaker 1: last season. A Shot Penny suffered an a c L
Speaker 1: injury in a game on December eight that Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Um it sounds like he's on track with his recovery.
Speaker 1: He keeps posting on Instagram and stuff like that, very
Speaker 1: optimistic looking things, but still a c L injuries take
Speaker 1: nine to ten months, and the team has already basically
Speaker 1: came out and said to expect him to start the
Speaker 1: year on the publist so that they have that option
Speaker 1: to put him on the publist when the regular season begins,
Speaker 1: and potentially that he's he would be out for six
Speaker 1: games at that point before he could return. And then
Speaker 1: Chris Carson has had a couple of significant injuries in
Speaker 1: his time as a Seahawk, including the the hip injury
Speaker 1: he suffered last year. And and it was you know,
Speaker 1: losing both Carson and Penny um in December last year,
Speaker 1: which really derailed him going into the playoffs. They had
Speaker 1: to bring back Marshawn Lynch, which was a great story
Speaker 1: but not really the ideal circumstances they wanted to bring
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch back, and um, you know, had to go
Speaker 1: into the playoffs with Marshawn Lynch and Travis Homer rookie
Speaker 1: who had basically not played at all as a tailback
Speaker 1: going into the playoffs, and um, you know, so that
Speaker 1: that they want to try to avoid that this year
Speaker 1: for a team that is always going to be pretty
Speaker 1: pretty rundependent. Um, so they brought Carlos Hyde into the
Speaker 1: mix too. So you've got three. You've got two you know,
Speaker 1: thousand yard running backs in Carlos Hyde and Chris Carson,
Speaker 1: and then another guy and Shot Penny, who was really
Speaker 1: he's kind of been this this huge, this big play
Speaker 1: guy for them. Um, you know, had the key touchdown
Speaker 1: running at the help win the game at Pittsburgh last
Speaker 1: year and some other you know, he hasn't necessarily put
Speaker 1: a huge overall season numbers, but it's had some really
Speaker 1: key plays. That's some as key times the big running
Speaker 1: had against Philadelphia as well in the ralow season run
Speaker 1: there last year. Uh when there last year. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think they think there's a way if all three
Speaker 1: guys get healthy and mid season or whatever, that they
Speaker 1: can still find ways to use them. And you know,
Speaker 1: both both all those guys have shown the ability to
Speaker 1: catch them off pretty well. So uh, you know they
Speaker 1: could play on third down, so you know, one of
Speaker 1: them plays on first a second down in a series,
Speaker 1: the other comes in on third down. Then your rotate
Speaker 1: guys a little bit um. You know. Again, they they've
Speaker 1: had they've had a couple of times under Pete of
Speaker 1: basically having sort of their best team uh in the
Speaker 1: playoffs because of injuries they suffered at the running back spot.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what he really wants to do,
Speaker 1: is like we get through the regular season and we
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs and we know for sure we
Speaker 1: have you know, at least maybe two of these guys
Speaker 1: healthy ready to go, um, and that that that we
Speaker 1: can bash team into submission to in the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned Travis Homer, so not to not to leave
Speaker 1: off d J. Dallas another minami hurricane there in the
Speaker 1: fold Man. That guy runs hard, he runs physical. He's
Speaker 1: a fun back to watch. I think he really fits
Speaker 1: in with what you mentioned the Seahawks want to be
Speaker 1: able to bash people at the Lion scremation win that way. Now,
Speaker 1: I had a question for you here, Bob, about the
Speaker 1: depth beyond DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, but you kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned that already, so I want to just go
Speaker 1: to this other portion of the question I had for you.
Speaker 1: What are the expectations going into year two for DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: Because this is a guy that blew up at the combine,
Speaker 1: really had his starshine the brightest there. He falls in
Speaker 1: the draft a little bit and has the emotional video
Speaker 1: that I think everybody loved where he's on the phone
Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll talking about why did you guys draft
Speaker 1: me earlier? It's just one of my favorite moments. That
Speaker 1: year in the draft comes about, comes out his rookie year,
Speaker 1: has a big time year. Now you've got him and
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett. You talk about Russell Wilson maybe not having
Speaker 1: the most weapons throughout the course of his career. But
Speaker 1: these two guys, man, they are big time weapons. Is
Speaker 1: the expectation for both of these guys to kind of
Speaker 1: get even better and expand upon their production last year? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean the question is how much more can you
Speaker 1: do that? But you know, the Seahawks have only had
Speaker 1: two receivers break the thousand yard mark in a seat
Speaker 1: in the same season once in their history, and Metcalf
Speaker 1: came close last year and Lockett did, so I think
Speaker 1: they feel, like, you know, it's a question of people
Speaker 1: are asking, is this another year where they could do
Speaker 1: that and both these guys to go over the thousand
Speaker 1: yard mark. Um, I answered no to that question. And
Speaker 1: the thing I did recently on the idea that if
Speaker 1: you've got Olsen and Disley, you're going to have more
Speaker 1: guys to maybe spread the ball out too, and maybe
Speaker 1: you don't have to have to depend quite as much
Speaker 1: on the receivers. But um, you know, so so sort
Speaker 1: of storing up the idea that you'll have you know,
Speaker 1: your third and fourth receivers maybe doing a lot more,
Speaker 1: assuming those guys you know from day one are healthy
Speaker 1: and out there, ready go. But I think that the
Speaker 1: expres say since for metcalf are are you know, off
Speaker 1: the charts. The only thing he really didn't do last
Speaker 1: year was he had a couple of a couple of
Speaker 1: games he was a little bit taken out of UM
Speaker 1: and then he had a couple of you know, drops
Speaker 1: slash fumbles, um. You know, he had a couple of
Speaker 1: things like that to just sort of clean up in
Speaker 1: his game. UM that we're sort of you know, kind
Speaker 1: of just felt like rookie first year mistake kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that that happens. And you know, if he can
Speaker 1: if he can do that, just be a little more consistent,
Speaker 1: not you know, catch everything that comes his way, which
Speaker 1: is everybody's always gonna have some drops, and not that
Speaker 1: he had an absurd amount, but he had, but he
Speaker 1: just had a couple that, you know, maybe changed things
Speaker 1: a little bit for him and his stats. I think
Speaker 1: he could definitely do it and you know, lock it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, going into last year, but one of
Speaker 1: the things we were all right and about was can
Speaker 1: he become as consistent and productive as Doug Baldwin had been.
Speaker 1: Baldwin had been the heart and soul the Receiving Corps
Speaker 1: for so long and then he he retires going into
Speaker 1: the year, and so Locket sort of moves up into
Speaker 1: that spot and and he proved he could, um, and
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget maybe you know, he he suffered
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty significant injury and there win at San
Speaker 1: Francisco in November, and so his numbers dipped a little
Speaker 1: bit um as he was coming back from that. And
Speaker 1: you know, so again if he can stay healthy through
Speaker 1: the whole year as well, um, you know, those numbers
Speaker 1: can go. But that's another reason why the Seahawks wanted
Speaker 1: to try to buff it up the receiving corps a
Speaker 1: little bit this year. And part of the thinking for
Speaker 1: going and getting a guy like Greg Olsen is so
Speaker 1: that you know you're not just relying on two guys
Speaker 1: and then if something does. Only injuries happen in football,
Speaker 1: and so if one of those guys go out, you know,
Speaker 1: then you're not You still got guys to throw to you.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's always something they're gonna want to do,
Speaker 1: is have as many as many guys around. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Lockett Metcalf, you know, as as a receiving
Speaker 1: duo is is as good as the Seahawks the path
Speaker 1: for quite a while. You posed, what I think is
Speaker 1: a great trivia question there. At the beginning of that answer,
Speaker 1: I'm going to submit my answer to you. Was it
Speaker 1: Bobby Ingram and Darryl Jackson? It was not. It was not.
Speaker 1: It's a somewhat more obscure one simply because of the
Speaker 1: era in which it was. It was Joey Galloway and
Speaker 1: Brian Blades. Brian Blazes a guy with Miami connections, which
Speaker 1: is that the mid nineties are a period Seahawks fans
Speaker 1: I think most of them don't even remember. I actually
Speaker 1: went to I actually covered a lot of games during
Speaker 1: that era when Dennis Harrison was coaching and Ericson could
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Joey Galloway was um really forgotten receiver
Speaker 1: kind of because only played here four years, left pretty acrimoniously.
Speaker 1: I don't even know joe Galloway ever likes to acknowledge
Speaker 1: actually played for the Seahawks, but but sort of joking there.
Speaker 1: But just the way his career ended here, I think
Speaker 1: it's part of why, you know, people sort of forget
Speaker 1: he ever played here. But if you can go back
Speaker 1: look at his numbers, they were really good and that
Speaker 1: brandly it was still a really effective receiver. Then as well.
Speaker 1: I grew up in the in the nineties in Washington State,
Speaker 1: and I had a Joey Galloway jersey might have been
Speaker 1: my first one. Actually had a Joey Galloway and Sewn
Speaker 1: Springs jersey, so that was kind of my era. The
Speaker 1: first game I ever went to was nine against the
Speaker 1: Bengals in the Kingdom. Rick Meyer took a safety. It's
Speaker 1: all I can remember about the game other than the
Speaker 1: fact it was ugly in the Seahawks loss to the
Speaker 1: Bengals at home. And one of the things the Seahawks
Speaker 1: did have for a long time was a beefy offensive
Speaker 1: line during those Mike Holmgren Sean Alexander years. Now, this
Speaker 1: current Seahawks offensive line has some big bodies as well.
Speaker 1: Up front, You've got Mike a Party and Dwayne Brown
Speaker 1: has really given Seas some stability there at left tackle.
Speaker 1: But then we have some camp battles to ensue. I'm
Speaker 1: sure this coming training camp. Damian Lewis third round draft pick,
Speaker 1: Ethan Postage a high pick recently, Brandon Shell coming in
Speaker 1: maybe to replace a Fetty or George Fan. What is
Speaker 1: this offensive line gonna look like in your estimation come
Speaker 1: opening Day? Yeah, it's it's really interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: they had a pretty good offensive line. I guess that's
Speaker 1: debatable have been on what you think, but I think
Speaker 1: in their eyes they at least had an offensive line
Speaker 1: they felt like was was a little more stable and
Speaker 1: consistent than they'd had for a few years. And Pete
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll said at the end of last season, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd like to keep as minch of it
Speaker 1: together as we could. And then they really didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: they let a few guys go, like a Fetty and
Speaker 1: um and George Fan who signed with the Jets, and
Speaker 1: and d J. Flucker as well, they cut him, and
Speaker 1: then Justin Britt, who was the starting center going into
Speaker 1: the year. So you basically could have of what we're
Speaker 1: sort of your top six linemen for most of the
Speaker 1: year if you include the way Fan was used, you know,
Speaker 1: as as sort of that sixth lineman, and got really
Speaker 1: regular you used for those guys are gone now and
Speaker 1: so you've got, as you mentioned, Way Brown and Mike Potty.
Speaker 1: But then the entire basically from center to the right
Speaker 1: side of the line could all be could all be
Speaker 1: completely new, And yeah, they're really counting on Lewis to
Speaker 1: to start step right into the starting lineup they guard,
Speaker 1: which is why they cut Flucker Um, Brandon Shell. I
Speaker 1: think I think they're going into it thinking he's going
Speaker 1: to be the starting right tackle. And then a guy
Speaker 1: named b J. Finney who played for the Steelers the
Speaker 1: last few years and was sort of a spot starter. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think they're sort of going into
Speaker 1: it with the idea that he could start a center.
Speaker 1: But they do have, like you mentioned, Ethan Postic and
Speaker 1: some other guys that have been around for a while,
Speaker 1: and a couple of other free agents that they signed,
Speaker 1: like Cedrica boy Um. And there's one other free agent
Speaker 1: I think I'm blanking on. Oh and Chance Warmack. Chance
Speaker 1: Warmack who they signed as well. Uh, some guys to compete.
Speaker 1: So I think they you know, that was one of
Speaker 1: the things we're all writing about. They I think they
Speaker 1: had twenty offensive linemen on their roster at one point.
Speaker 1: They made some moves since then and so they don't
Speaker 1: have quite that many. But you know how many offensive
Speaker 1: lineman they had, how are they going to work them
Speaker 1: all in? I think they just want to throw a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys under the competition and see and
Speaker 1: see what happens. But this is such a weird year
Speaker 1: with everything that's going on. Obviously, when they when they
Speaker 1: sort of put that plan in place in Mark's they
Speaker 1: were hoping they had May and June to have all
Speaker 1: those on field workouts that begins begin sorting that out
Speaker 1: and do exactly is going to be weare and they
Speaker 1: haven't had that, So you know, if when they get
Speaker 1: on the field and training camp that will that would
Speaker 1: be one of the primary storylines is seeing seeing who's
Speaker 1: the first team you know, who's playing first team center
Speaker 1: and first team right tackle and all that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff and seeing how those competitions evolved. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: a welcome report for fans to see coming up here
Speaker 1: on training camp soon hopefully. And I like talking about
Speaker 1: all those parallels that I like to compare with Dolphins
Speaker 1: and teams we talked about here on this podcast. Is
Speaker 1: the number of transactions of Seahawks make you talk about
Speaker 1: twenty offensive lineman. And I remember when they first hired
Speaker 1: Pete Carolin, John Schneider, they were a transaction machine, kind
Speaker 1: of like the Dolphins have been the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and the area they have had continuity on up from
Speaker 1: the last couple of years at least is on the
Speaker 1: defensive line on the other side of the football. But
Speaker 1: I don't think the casual fan is aware, Bob, of
Speaker 1: how good some of these space eaters the Seahawks have upfront,
Speaker 1: who are the main actions on this defensive line and
Speaker 1: sea should Seahawks fans feel good about going into the
Speaker 1: year with the group they have up there? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know that they do right now, simply because they
Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney is still out there and unsigned, and that
Speaker 1: was sort of the hope when the season ended, was
Speaker 1: that you'd resigned Dadavan Clowney and that would bring a
Speaker 1: real level of stability to it, and then you work
Speaker 1: some of the young guys around there. Um, it's interesting
Speaker 1: you say that because I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how how much that the perception is shared
Speaker 1: necessarily that the defensive line has been. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: is a lot of conflicting opinions on how good the
Speaker 1: defensive line has been the last few years. But people
Speaker 1: tend obviously to focus so much on sacks, and the
Speaker 1: Seahawks only had twenty eight sacks last year. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it was the second lowest total in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, so that that was something they
Speaker 1: really talked about needing to improve was their past bus
Speaker 1: this year. And and that's why people a lot of
Speaker 1: people sort of just thought it was a no brainer
Speaker 1: and that Clowney would be back, like there's no way
Speaker 1: they wouldn't just you know, um offer him the moon
Speaker 1: to make sure he returned. But but they sort of
Speaker 1: stuck to the way they've always done things, which is
Speaker 1: the assess of value to a player, and they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to get bidding wars, and they didn't with Clowney.
Speaker 1: And now he's still out there. I don't rule out
Speaker 1: that he could still come back. I think there's still
Speaker 1: a chance he could, as as as as it comes
Speaker 1: down to, you know, the first first right before camp,
Speaker 1: and maybe he decides to finally take an offer that
Speaker 1: they have on the table for him. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: otherwise you got you got Jared Reid and poon Afford
Speaker 1: as your tackles. Um. Pot Afford probably one of the
Speaker 1: more underrated Seahawks, not to hard course Seawks fans ain't
Speaker 1: all about him. But yeah, from a national standpoint, I
Speaker 1: don't know if people know how good of a player
Speaker 1: he is, and jarn read Uh a great year two
Speaker 1: years ago, was suspended the first six games of last
Speaker 1: year and didn't put up the same kind of numbers,
Speaker 1: but they resigned him to a two year deal. UM
Speaker 1: one of the more significant offseason moves they made, and
Speaker 1: they they really like him. It's the ends that are
Speaker 1: really the question. And what are you going to get
Speaker 1: out of all those guys? You know, they signed Bruce
Speaker 1: Servant and Benson Mayoa, each former Seahawks who were part
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl team in two thousand thirteen, UM
Speaker 1: hoping they really approved the pass rush. With them, They've
Speaker 1: got like young guys Machine Green and l J. Collier
Speaker 1: who was the first round big last year and barely played.
Speaker 1: Only played about a hundred and fifty snaps all year year,
Speaker 1: I think. But they're really counting on Green to be
Speaker 1: much better in year three and Collary to be much
Speaker 1: better in year two and solve a lot of issues there.
Speaker 1: And you know, then they've got a few other guys
Speaker 1: the kind of throw into that mix. But I think
Speaker 1: most people are still expecting them to add somebody out
Speaker 1: of you know, pass Clowney if it's an Everson Griffin,
Speaker 1: or there's some there's some better in defensive tackle types
Speaker 1: that are still out there as well. I think people
Speaker 1: will be really surprised if they don't add something at
Speaker 1: some point early in camp or before the season, which
Speaker 1: is something they've done a lot. Last year. They made
Speaker 1: some pretty significant defensive line moves last year. They last
Speaker 1: year training for Clowney, two years ago, three years ago,
Speaker 1: training for Sheldon Richardson. They signed like Tony McDaniel during
Speaker 1: training you know, I think mid August one year, and
Speaker 1: he suddenly was was a starter again after he came back. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know there, that's that's sort of a precedent. They've
Speaker 1: said that they could do something to the defensive line
Speaker 1: and plug a guy right in there and having to
Speaker 1: be an immediate contributor. So I don't think they're done
Speaker 1: with the defensive line. Yeah, Tony McDaniel had some significant
Speaker 1: years here in Miami. He's a rotational piece of good
Speaker 1: player up front. It's funny you mentioned Clowney and Richardson.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that it's it's unique the way
Speaker 1: the Seahawks have. You know, they're in this position in
Speaker 1: the NFL where a few teams are and it's a
Speaker 1: luxury to be able to go attack your needs right
Speaker 1: up against training camp and in the front of the season.
Speaker 1: And they did in the last couple of years with
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson, like you mentioned Jadeveon Clowney, But then they
Speaker 1: don't go out and resign those guys. We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with Clowney. Definitely an interesting topic to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. Now. One area that I love talking about
Speaker 1: the Seahawks team with because it gives me a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about one of my favorite players in all
Speaker 1: of football. And I'll just go ahead and let you
Speaker 1: kind of take the floor on this and talk about
Speaker 1: how good Bobby Wagner is for someone that gets to
Speaker 1: see him go to work every single day. But I
Speaker 1: also want to hear about the linebacker corps beyond him, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the plan beyond Wagner? Is is Jordan Brooks there
Speaker 1: to eventually take over for kJ right? That did they
Speaker 1: discuss at all the decision to take Brooks over? Patrick Queen?
Speaker 1: Just talk about these linebackers for a bit, if you can, Bob, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: First on Bobby Wagner, you're right, and I still don't
Speaker 1: know if he's I think he's a guy who the
Speaker 1: appreciation for him is just going to grow and grow
Speaker 1: and grow. What's you know, whenever his career ends and
Speaker 1: and people will realize what a great career he has had,
Speaker 1: and you know, the number of big plays he's made, um,
Speaker 1: you know, just his his awareness is anticipation of plays,
Speaker 1: is intelligence to figure out where the ball is going
Speaker 1: to be, and then the physical ability to get there.
Speaker 1: Just the sideline to sideline speed, which was I think
Speaker 1: the thing that not that he you know, he got
Speaker 1: taken the second round, so it's not like he really fell,
Speaker 1: but still like you know, obviously look at him. If
Speaker 1: you'd redrafted now, he'd be a top five pick in
Speaker 1: that draft or whatever. And that was maybe the one
Speaker 1: part of the game that people underrated in him, was
Speaker 1: just that ability to know the sideline to sideline speed
Speaker 1: that he has and to sort of the anticipation to
Speaker 1: get there and then just you know, he's really become
Speaker 1: the leader of that defense, you know, of the of
Speaker 1: what was the great defense in two thousand thirteen. You
Speaker 1: mentioned kJ right, but Bobby and kJ writer are really
Speaker 1: sort of the last guy standing had been with the
Speaker 1: team the entire time of all those guys, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, as some of those guys like Chritid Sherman
Speaker 1: and Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor and Michael Bennett had
Speaker 1: moved on, body has become an even bigger sort of
Speaker 1: vocal leader in locker room presence to keep everybody together.
Speaker 1: And he signed a contract sense and before last year,
Speaker 1: and you know, they sort of made that clear at
Speaker 1: the time, like you know, Russell's the quarterback of the offense.
Speaker 1: Bobby's Bobby is the quarterback and the leader in the
Speaker 1: heart and the soul of the defense, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, so his value to the team I think
Speaker 1: is only is only even greater and greater. You know,
Speaker 1: last year, and I know that if you really follow
Speaker 1: PF stats as um, you know, he struggled. He had
Speaker 1: a few struggles in some past protection things because they
Speaker 1: were doing some different things, they were putting him in
Speaker 1: some different roles and all that. So I think maybe
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of perception from people who
Speaker 1: watched that that he didn't have quite the year last
Speaker 1: year that he's had him previous years. I know he
Speaker 1: disputes that and would say that, you know, just sort
Speaker 1: of being in some different roles maybe had him given
Speaker 1: up some numbers at times that that that we're a
Speaker 1: little different than he had in the past. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he really has shown any
Speaker 1: signs of fall off yet. I still think he's he's,
Speaker 1: you know, as a lead of a middle linebacker as
Speaker 1: there is in the NFL. K J. Wright you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, he's maybe the most underrated guy throughout this
Speaker 1: whole run that he's been there. You know, he came
Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, really allowed them to slidify. You know,
Speaker 1: in thirteen, him and Bobby playing together, the played consistently
Speaker 1: together as those two inside linebackers since two thousand and thirteen,
Speaker 1: and UM probably will go down as the best linebacking
Speaker 1: duo and team history UM in the inside linebacker spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks, the pick up him did sort of raise
Speaker 1: some eyebrows. Your question about Patrick Queen, I I've got
Speaker 1: to admit I can't remember if we asked specifically about
Speaker 1: Brooks Queen. What I do know is that it was
Speaker 1: the fact that they thought those guys that was why
Speaker 1: they didn't end up wanting to trade down as much,
Speaker 1: because they wanted to make sure they got one of
Speaker 1: those guys. They thought that they thought if they thought
Speaker 1: the Ravens were gonna take Brooks, and so it was
Speaker 1: I basically just had Brooks rated higher than Queen, but
Speaker 1: they thought the Ravens were gonna take Brooks and if
Speaker 1: they let it get past that, they weren't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get him. So they wanted to take him
Speaker 1: where they did um and they definitely do. I mean,
Speaker 1: he plays kJ rights positions. So kJ Right has one
Speaker 1: year left on his contract. There's been some speculation even
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty big cap number for this year,
Speaker 1: they could save some money if he if they were
Speaker 1: to release him. So I think they're gonna throw Jordan
Speaker 1: Brooks right into competition at weeks side linebacker, and if
Speaker 1: he's really good, I think I think he's got a
Speaker 1: chance to start from day one. And they've talked about
Speaker 1: they could move kJ right to the strong side linebacker spot.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting too because you've got crew servant there
Speaker 1: do They resigned and said they're going to play primarily
Speaker 1: strong side linebacker. And then Cody Barton, who was a
Speaker 1: fairly high picked last year and ended up starting. I
Speaker 1: think the last four games of the year after Michael
Speaker 1: Kendricks is hurt, and so they've got some options there.
Speaker 1: So the linebacking position is really gonna be interesting to watch,
Speaker 1: and it really is the first time in a long
Speaker 1: time that you go into it not knowing for sure
Speaker 1: who it is that's gonna line up next to Bobby Wagger,
Speaker 1: especially when you have pretty much you know for the
Speaker 1: most part, most defenses will have two linebackers to play
Speaker 1: significant reps and everyone else is more of a rotational
Speaker 1: player or a role player in the defense. And I
Speaker 1: love the Seahawks on draft night talking about Jordan Brooks,
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen, that whole thing, because a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends out here are Seahawks fans, and they always say, well,
Speaker 1: we can pretty much take Night one off because we're
Speaker 1: going to trade out, and this year they didn't and
Speaker 1: did as they always do and take players that they
Speaker 1: feel fit their scheme or fit their program as best
Speaker 1: as they can, and you can't argue with the results. Finally,
Speaker 1: we get to the secondary and the post legion of
Speaker 1: boom Era has had some ups and downs, but I
Speaker 1: think they've really uncovered some nice parts back there. You've
Speaker 1: got Shaquille Griffin, who was rock solid. Trey Flowers, I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of the way he plays, Quandree Digs
Speaker 1: a big boon of an in season acquisition last year.
Speaker 1: How does this secondary shakeout? Who are the five or
Speaker 1: six guys that we're going to see the most this
Speaker 1: year on the football field. Well, it's funny because it
Speaker 1: looked like that was totally set when they made the
Speaker 1: trade for Quentin Dunbar, and then you mentioned everybody else there,
Speaker 1: and it looked like, yeah, we've got a top five
Speaker 1: of our secondary, which is different than the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. And then and really I think it pretty
Speaker 1: obvious starting four that you're gonna have a Griffin and
Speaker 1: Dumbar's your corners, Quandre Diggs, who they acquired it midseason
Speaker 1: from Detroit last year as your free safety. Bradley McDougal
Speaker 1: plays some strong safety and stops having to move back
Speaker 1: and forth based on who else they had a safety.
Speaker 1: So I think they felt like that was gonna be
Speaker 1: much better. And Pete Carroll talked at the combine about,
Speaker 1: you know, when everybody talked about their lack of sacks
Speaker 1: and just slowly like you gotta get pass wrestors. He
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the coverage has something to do
Speaker 1: with that too, obviously, and you gets covered sacks and
Speaker 1: I don't think they felt like they got as much
Speaker 1: of that last year UM as they needed at times.
Speaker 1: And so you know, they made making the trade for
Speaker 1: Digs in mid season was sort of an admission that,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously that they needed some help UM, and
Speaker 1: then trading for Dumbar, you know, was sort of another
Speaker 1: little admission that, yeah, we could use a little health
Speaker 1: to corner. And so we'll see with Dumbar situation. Hopefully
Speaker 1: they'll beat some clarity to that. I'm sure the team
Speaker 1: would like to know. I guess if he's gonna if
Speaker 1: the if the NFL was going to suspend him at all, um,
Speaker 1: you know, earlier rather than later. But the NFL might
Speaker 1: be waiting for the process to play out to UM
Speaker 1: and the legal process could take quite a while. I
Speaker 1: guess the good news is they only have them for
Speaker 1: one year on his contract. I think there's been you know,
Speaker 1: some thought maybe he would they'd resign him to an extension,
Speaker 1: but they gets pushed back to after the season. It
Speaker 1: might not be the Seahawks issue to deal with. You know,
Speaker 1: they just he would just play while this is getting
Speaker 1: sorted out and and all that. But um, they do.
Speaker 1: You know, they also have Google Amadi and Marquis Blair
Speaker 1: as guys who can fit into that somewhere, and it
Speaker 1: will be really interesting to see how that all, how
Speaker 1: that all does unfold. Both those guys have been talked about.
Speaker 1: Amadi ended last year their nickel. Blair sort of played
Speaker 1: in some sub packages last year, mostly in They're Dying,
Speaker 1: but Carroll talked about he could be used in their
Speaker 1: nickel packages this year too. So they do have a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting pieces like that, you know. And then
Speaker 1: they've been another team that's been rumored interested in Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams and you know, so who knows if the Jets
Speaker 1: are really going to feel compelled to trade Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: I still think that's you know, the bigger question here
Speaker 1: is the Jets even gonna want to do that. They've
Speaker 1: they've got, you know, they can they can play hardball
Speaker 1: with them and sort of force them they have to
Speaker 1: play and all that. But if they do get to
Speaker 1: that point, which I don't think would, I think it'd
Speaker 1: be like a clowney thing where it wouldn't be till
Speaker 1: right before the season. Probably there's really no reason for
Speaker 1: the Jets to have to have to do that more
Speaker 1: quickly than they than they want to. But but you
Speaker 1: never know, you know, you never rule the Seahawks out
Speaker 1: of anything, and I do know they'd be interested in
Speaker 1: jamal atoms if you really did become available. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: if they want to take them out of the a
Speaker 1: f C East and put them in the NFC, I'm
Speaker 1: more than happy to hear about that, because that dude
Speaker 1: can flat out play. Last question I have for you here, Bob,
Speaker 1: and we've done this with every guest here on the
Speaker 1: uh No the Enemy series on the Drivetime podcast is
Speaker 1: to ask, if the Seahawks do this, they'll make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: or if the Seahawks the Seahawks will make the playoffs
Speaker 1: if blank occurs. But I think the real question here
Speaker 1: is because they've made the playoffs every year except for
Speaker 1: one since Russell Wilson got there, the real question should
Speaker 1: be the Seahawks will when the NFC West If blank,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'd say Russell stays healthy, but
Speaker 1: that's just such an obvious when he's so important to
Speaker 1: this team and and all that. So but I guess,
Speaker 1: but I guess from a strictly playing thing that has
Speaker 1: to happen is what what we spent some time here
Speaker 1: talking about. The pass rust has to get better. They
Speaker 1: just have to. They have to get better playing past
Speaker 1: defense as a whole. In general. You saw, um, you know,
Speaker 1: just Green Bay Aaron Rodgers when he really needed to
Speaker 1: in that playoff game last year, he was able to
Speaker 1: both get time and find open receivers. Um. They had
Speaker 1: a few too many games like that at times last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, they want eleven and five, but um so
Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't losing a whole lot. But I
Speaker 1: think that's the number one thing that has to happen.
Speaker 1: They had twenty eight sacks last year. I think they've
Speaker 1: got to get that into the mid high thirties and
Speaker 1: just be a team that gets after the quarterback more
Speaker 1: than they did last year. Yeah. I think one of
Speaker 1: the most copetitive divisions and all the NFL, if not
Speaker 1: the most competitive this year, NFC West and the Seahawks
Speaker 1: are right at the top of that pecking order. He
Speaker 1: is Bob Condota Seattle Times. You can find him on
Speaker 1: Twitter at b Condota. Bob. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time today. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. And the way he goes a really in
Speaker 1: depth coverage there of the Seattle Seahawks, and Bob has
Speaker 1: been a Pacific Northwest lifeer covered the Washington Huskies for
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