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I'm with Lucas miss Black Tech, Green Money. 20 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you to the biggest names, the brightest 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: minds and brilliant ideas. 22 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: If you're black in building or. 23 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Simply using Texas secure your bag, this pockets for you. 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: ANGELAEE is a. 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: Radio Hall of Fame inductee and multi business entrepreneur who 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: runs companies in variety of industries. 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: She recently started her own solar radio. 28 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: Show Up with Angela Ye after a long tenure at 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. As an entrepreneur with many holdings, I 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: asked Angela how she determines what kind of businesses interest her. Definitely, 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: she gets pissed all the time on new startups. What 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: catches her attention? 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think for me, the core things that are 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: most important to me have to do with nutrition, and 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: has to do with education and with finance, and so 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: I look at those different fields and if something. 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: And a lot of times I actually pursue things that 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: are interesting to me. 39 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: So it's not always that someone comes to me, but 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: if I see something that I think is interesting or 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: that I want to support, then I'll reach out about 42 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: that also. But like I started the Press Juices Company 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: on my own with the juice bar, that was my idea. 44 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: With the coffee company, that was an idea that got 45 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: sparked in a meeting, and then with Stellar Fie that 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: was something that I had been working with the founder 47 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: le Mean on other things that he was doing, and 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: then when that. 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 4: Opportunity came, I was all in. 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: So usually it's a combination of relationships with people, but 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: I think I make sure that people know what my 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: different fields of interests are. 53 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: So we've had a lot of conversations on this podcast 54 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: about you know, black people and people of color period, 55 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: having an opportunity just to be opportunists and so many 56 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: things that we're told. It's like, you know, you should 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: lean into things that you've been passionate about for a 58 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: long time, or like what did you grow up wanting 59 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: to do? But we're not told like our counterparts are 60 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: that you can just find an opportunity and jump on it. 61 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: When you think about that, like how do you think 62 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: about the opportunities that do company you? And you're like, 63 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, it could be a bag over there, or 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: it could be just something that could be fun. You know, 65 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: how do you think about those types of things. 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm I'm great with getting a bag as long as 67 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm compromising anything. 68 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 4: And so I don't want to get a bag. 69 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: Like promoting a cigarette company or something that I really 70 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: don't believe in, and certain things I feel like aren't realistic, right, 71 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: Like people know I don't eat pork and I don't 72 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: eat seafood, so it wouldn't even make sense. And so 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: if it's me endorsing something that everyone knows, hey, she 74 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: doesn't really do that, then that's I wouldn't do it. 75 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: But if it's something that maybe I don't know a 76 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: lot about, but I. 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: Feel like, okay, this could be you know, like, for instance, 78 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: one of my friends Topeka, we're working on a project 79 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: together right now, and she has a whole program that's 80 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: based on women who are formerly incarcerated, and so I 81 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: know for people that's like a hot topic right now, 82 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: and it's not something I knew a lot about, but 83 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: after speaking to her, it's something that I did get 84 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: more passionate about. And that's just when my conversations with her, 85 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: and so I feel like we're always expanding and growing. 86 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: But it is hard for me to only be opportunistic 87 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: and see a bag usually I have to have, and 88 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: I know it's not financially the smartest thing. I'm more 89 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: like somebody told me, I'm an emotional financial person because 90 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: I have to feel some type of connection. 91 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 4: But it has been working for me thus far. 92 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: But I do feel like I could have, you know, 93 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: passed up onto opportunities. 94 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people who have really 95 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: really great jobs, maybe golden handcuffs, and see like they 96 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: may have to take a leap and not not do 97 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: that anymore and jump into an entrepreneurship. 98 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: But can you talk a little bit about how. 99 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: You think about leveraging your current opportunities to fuel the 100 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: opportunities that you want to pursue and you don't necessarily 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: have to quit what you're doing today. 102 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like me having the platform that I 103 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 3: have only amplifies all the other businesses that I'm trying 104 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: to do. And really I'm trying to take advantage of it. 105 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 4: And so it's. 106 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: Great because I'm on the air every single day and 107 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: I have my social media platforms, but we also have 108 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: partnerships with people who want to endorse different things, and 109 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: if I can cross promote my product with something else, 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: then that's an ideal situation for me. If I can, 111 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, get my coffee to be part of a 112 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: program that someone else is doing and now they're paying 113 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: for the coffee and I'm getting free advertising. That's like 114 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: a win win win across the board, and so I 115 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: think I would be remiss not to do that. I 116 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: feel like later on, I don't want to look back 117 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: like we look at some of say a reality television person, 118 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 3: and some of them have had things that have blown 119 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: up just from being on that show and having something 120 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: to put out. And I think it's silly not to 121 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: have something to promote or to do while you're having 122 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: that platform. 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: And you know, you are somebody that's in the public eye. 124 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: But if an entrepreneur or would be entrepreneur comes up 125 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: to you, it's like, you know, I think I got 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: to quit my job to go chase this thing. What 127 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: would your advice be for somebody who's not in the 128 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: public eye necessarily that maybe you don't need to quit 129 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: your job, but maybe you need to figure out how 130 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: to do it from five to nine, you know, instead 131 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: of nine to five. 132 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 3: I always feel like it's important to make sure you plan, 133 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: and that means that you. 134 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: Have to have a business plan. 135 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: You have to have strategically figured out this is how 136 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: I plan to launch. I'm a big fan of starting 137 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: something while I have my little cushion, So starting small 138 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: and then letting something grow. 139 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: So put it out there, launch it do. I love 140 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 4: a soft launch. 141 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: Because that's a great way to find out what's working, 142 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: what's not working, so that you can fix those things 143 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: before you go full force out to the public. And 144 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: so I would tell them, launch whatever it is that 145 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: you want to do, and make sure that you're saving 146 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: and aggressively saving, because I've had to do that too. 147 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: You know, when I bought my first house, I was 148 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: working NonStop because I had a goal in mine and 149 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: a number that I knew I needed to hit. I 150 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: knew I needed to get to. I think it would 151 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 3: I could tell you exactly what it was. I had 152 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: to get twenty five percent. I knew I had to 153 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: get to like two hundred and thirty five thousand dollars 154 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: in order to be able to put down the down payment. 155 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 4: And so for me, that was like two. 156 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: Years of just going really hard and getting money, stacking money, 157 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: doing extracid gigs and everything. So I think stead of 158 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: going set a number and then when you hit that goal, 159 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: it's time to go. 160 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: But in the meantime, launch it. 161 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: And let's take the opposite of approach of that, because 162 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: there are sometimes you do need to take a gamble 163 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: on yourself and you know, possibly give up something that 164 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: other people would see as a really coveted thing. 165 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: So what would you. 166 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Say to those folks whore like you? Noah, if you 167 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: really believe in yourself and you really are passionate about 168 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: this thing, you might have to give up what other 169 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: people will be like, you're crazy to give that up. 170 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, there's times that I've done things spontaneously 171 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: because my gut instinct told me to do it. 172 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: I feel that I trust that. 173 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: It's like I love to gamble, right, and when I 174 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: play blackjack, there's certain times when you have to figure 175 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: out am I gonna hit or am I gonna stay? 176 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: And you have an option because you could go either way. 177 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: You could bust or you could beat the dealer. You 178 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 3: don't know, and so sometimes you do have to jump 179 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: out there and take that risk. But I also say 180 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: that you have to know a like try to make 181 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: sure that you lessen whatever chance of failure, that there 182 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: is everything that you can to get your ducks in 183 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: a row. If you are going to just leap out 184 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: there and do it and be trust your instinct is 185 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: everything is telling you don't do this, and this happened, 186 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: and then this unfortunate thing happened, and you know, then maybe. 187 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: It's not the right time. 188 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: And I do pay attention to science because it's helped 189 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: me a lot. 190 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: You know, there was an interview I was watching that 191 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: you did and you're talking about, you know, there. 192 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: Was a previous job you had. 193 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Where you had a bad manager days it yelled at 194 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: you at one point and you were like, you know, 195 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: you were you were doing marketing, I think, and you're like, 196 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm out. 197 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: And the clients you were working. 198 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: With like they going with Angelot, Like they left that 199 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: company and decided to work with you, separate from your 200 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: relationship with that company. 201 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about knowing your value. 202 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: It's particularly in the world we live in today, to 203 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: where there's so many people who could work freelance and 204 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: work for themselves, but feel like, you know, they need 205 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that security of an employer. 206 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: You know, at that time, I didn't know my value. 207 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: I had no idea that would happen. That was an 208 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: emotional decision. I never one thing that's like a deal 209 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: breaker for me when it comes to work, when it 210 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: comes to. 211 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: Relationships is don't. 212 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: I don't deal with people speaking to me in a 213 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: disrespectful way or yelling at me, because that's not the 214 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: energy that I give. I know, some people are okay 215 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: with that, and some people, you know, communicate that way. 216 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 4: That's not me, and I'm very clear about that. And 217 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: so I had been working. 218 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: Really hard and not getting paid a lot and bringing 219 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: in a lot of business. 220 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: And he was just. 221 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: Upset that I was doing these side gigs because I 222 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: wasn't getting paid a lot. But I was honest about it. 223 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: He only knew about it because I told him, and 224 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: he said, that was fine, because you're not paying me 225 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: what I should be making. And so when he blew 226 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: up on me because of the same thing that I 227 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: had been honest about came to him about and that 228 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: he had approved, I just got my stuff and left. 229 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: I already was fed up, and so I just walked out, 230 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: took my laptop because he didn't even have computers for us. 231 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: So I took my laptop. 232 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: It got out of there, and you know, to me, 233 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: I did bring in a lot of the clients, and 234 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: I did write up the whole marketing proposals, and I 235 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: was the person everybody was talking to on a daily basis. 236 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: So when I left, everyone was reaching out to me like, well, 237 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: we really enjoyed working with you. And that was a 238 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: learning lesson from me to know that I could do 239 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: something on my own, because you know, I had always 240 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: worked at a company. So after that, I just started 241 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: freelancing because I had got three good clients from him 242 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: that were paying me a monthly fee, and I had 243 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: gotten two on my own outside of that, so I 244 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: was making a nice amount of money and not having 245 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: to be in the office. 246 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, you've been in radio. I think what twenty 247 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: seven years now? 248 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: Are more? 249 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: How long have I? No, I've been in radio for nineteen. 250 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Years because you did morning shows, afternoons shows, and other 251 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: things like. There's an important part of research that you 252 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: have to do daily to be up on what's happening 253 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: in the world, and it requires you to know a 254 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: lot about a little You know a little about a 255 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: lot of things. 256 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: I should say, you know, how. 257 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: How would you say that research experience that you've had 258 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: has helped you in business? Knowing a little bit about 259 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. 260 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 4: It is great. 261 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: Like I had a meeting with somebody the other day 262 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: and we were talking about boxing in the meeting because 263 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: he owns a league, and so I know, you know 264 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: a bit about boxing because I enjoyed the sport, but 265 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: because I've also interviewed a lot of boxers and I 266 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: pay attention to that, and I watch the fights, and 267 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: so you get in certain situations where just being able 268 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: to add to the conversation. 269 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 4: That's why I tell people. 270 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 3: When I was younger, I really didn't watch the news 271 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: and pay attention to what was going on. But I 272 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 3: tell people all the time, just make sure you keep 273 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: up on current events. You don't have to, you know, 274 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: deep dive into everything and know all but be able 275 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: to have a conversation, know what some of the main 276 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: headlines are, because those things really do help when you're 277 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: at a dinner and people are talking and you don't 278 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: want to just be there, have no idea what's going 279 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: on in the world. 280 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: And I used to be like that. I used to 281 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: not have any idea. 282 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: I used to not pay attention to the news when 283 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: I was younger, and when I started doing radio, I 284 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: had to do all kinds of research just to know 285 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: about the current events and the headline topics. 286 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this quote that I love from Steve Jobs, 287 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: and he says, you can't connect the dots looking forward, 288 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: you can only connect the dots looking backward. And what 289 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: I get from that is you never really know why 290 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: you're doing something in the moment until like later on 291 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: it's like, oh that's you know, had I not done 292 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: this thing, I wouldn't be able to be prepared for 293 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: what I'm doing today. And so if you look back 294 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: on your life with that lens, what were you know, 295 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: one or two critical moments where you were in the 296 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: moment like what the heck am I doing? But then 297 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: you look back and you're like, now it makes sense. 298 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: Let's see. 299 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: Well, definitely the time when I quit my job and 300 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: there was a I mean, let's see, there's so many 301 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: times that I've just done. There was a time when 302 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: I got offered a job, you know, at Hot ninety seven, 303 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: and I didn't take it. And at the time, I 304 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: really didn't take it for practical reasons. It was less 305 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: than what I was already making. My name wouldn't have 306 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: been on the title for the show, and so it 307 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: was like kind of to me and my head to 308 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 3: step backwards. But I feel like everyone else was like, 309 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: you're crazy, how could you not take that? An opportunity 310 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: like that never comes. There's people who have been doing 311 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: radio their whole lives and would die for something like that. 312 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: And I made a practical decision, and you know, now 313 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 3: that I look back, it was the right decision. At 314 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 3: the time, I was like second guessing myself, And now 315 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: that I look back, I realized that what they offered me, 316 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: it's so much harder to climb out when they start 317 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: you so low, and it shows like how they feel 318 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: about you and what they already think about you. And 319 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: so that wouldn't have been the right way for me 320 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: to embark on a situation when I was leaving a 321 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: place that really wanted me, right, Like, they offered me 322 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: more money to stay, they offered to give me the 323 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: show with my name on it, to name it whatever 324 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: I wanted to. And that's where you want to be, 325 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: someplace where somebody really really wants you, That's where you 326 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 3: want to be. 327 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 4: No matter what if it's worked or reship. Yeah, to 328 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: show me you care. 329 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: And then when I left, I'm serious to go to iHeart. 330 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: That was something that everybody was like, Oh my god, 331 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: FM radio is dying. 332 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 4: Why would you do that? 333 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: You barely get to talk, and I was just ready 334 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: to start something new. 335 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 4: They were the underdog station. 336 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: You know, if the breakfast club hadn't done well, that 337 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: station was going to flip to a whole nother format. 338 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: And so a lot was writing on that. But I 339 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: feel like that's when you really are the best, when 340 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: you can go with a company that is the underdog 341 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: and come out on top, and then after that the 342 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: sky is the limit. And so for me, that's what 343 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: it was just to be able to go and leave 344 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: a situation that was comfortable, but I just didn't see 345 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: any growth there for me to go in someplace where 346 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: I could be uncomfortable but grow. 347 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, you said something there where you talked about, 348 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard to climb out when you 349 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: start somewhere so low. Can you talk a little bit 350 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: more about that and just conceptually talk about that. 351 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: Well, one thing I did learn is that a lot 352 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: of times when we get offered something, people don't negotiate, 353 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: and so it was really important to be able to negotiate. 354 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: And so. 355 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: When you start off, say somebody offers you fifty thousand 356 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: dollars a year and you're like, okay, I'll take it. Well, 357 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: then now next year, when I'm asking for a raise, 358 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: I can't say I want one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 359 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: That just sounds like wow, you know, how did that happen? 360 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: So now you're like, okay, can I get sixty five thousand? 361 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: And then the next year and so now you're climbing 362 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: out of a situation where when they first offered it 363 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: to you. If somebody offers you fifty thousand, that means 364 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: that they have way more than that. 365 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: You know, That's what I always assume. And so even when. 366 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: Negotiating for bookings for different things, you know, people generally 367 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: tend to start low because they anticipate that you'll come 368 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: back high and that you'll meet somewhere in the middle. 369 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: And so there's times that I've you know, negotiated and 370 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: then they accept it too fast and I was like, damn, 371 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: you know, and then there's sometimes that it's not about 372 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: the money. And so if it's not about the money, 373 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: then cool, But you also want people to know your 374 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: value and worth. You don't want somebody to say, well, 375 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: I offered her, you know, five thousand dollars and she 376 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: took it. Why would you pay her twenty thousand dollars, 377 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: and so it's just important for you because people do 378 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: talk to each other and they. 379 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: Ask each other. 380 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: You know, early in your career, you started out as 381 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: an intern for the Wu Tang clan. Can you first 382 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: talk about how you found yourself in these roles and 383 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: what you feel like was the reason you took that 384 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: role and why they accepted you in that role. 385 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: I think, well, for a lot of it was always 386 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: relationships for me when I was starting out. So one 387 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: of my good friends, Scottie, he actually owns the studio 388 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: engine room where I do my podcast lip Service. 389 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 4: I knew him when I was in high school. 390 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: He went to Howard University and he was really good 391 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: friends with my boyfriend at the time, and so that's 392 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: how we met. Now, mind you that guy, you know, 393 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: I don't talk to him at all anymore, but Scott 394 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: and I kept in touch, and when I was in college, 395 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: he was like, Hey, my friend worked at Wu Tang 396 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: for Wu Tang Management and they're looking for an intern 397 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: and I recommended you, So I think you should. 398 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: Go, you know, go do that. 399 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: And so I was a little nervous because Wu Tang 400 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: didn't have the best reputation at the time. I was like, oh, 401 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: they're kind of wild. I don't know if that's the 402 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 3: environment I should be in. And so I went and 403 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: then he called me. He was like, did you call 404 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: my guy? And I was like, no, I haven't called 405 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: him yet. He was like, Angela, please just call you know, 406 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 3: at least do the interview. I told him you were coming, 407 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: So I was like okay. So I went on the 408 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: interview and as soon as I walked in and we 409 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: had the conversation, there were like other people waiting. They 410 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 3: hired me on the spot and so I don't know 411 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 3: what it was about me, but they just hired me 412 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: on the spot and that was that. 413 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 4: And then I started working there. 414 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: So it was a relationship that I had from somebody 415 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 3: who thought that I would be good. And then afterwards 416 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: when I graduate, they actually tried to get me to 417 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: not finish college and come work there. It was my 418 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: last It was the junior year before my senior year, 419 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: and they wanted me to just work there, just come 420 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: and not go to my last year. And I was like, no, 421 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: I think I'm in finished. I only have one year left. 422 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 3: And then when I graduated, I ended up working there. 423 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: Wow, what made you take that when so many other 424 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: people would be like, okay, they want me full time. 425 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: This is a music business. It's hard to get into 426 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: any way. What gave you that said, you know, I'm 427 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: going to finish school. 428 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: My parents would have never wait for that. They would 429 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: have never had the love that to happened. And you know, 430 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: even like that was my first job, and I know 431 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 3: people weren't making that much money there, and I was like, 432 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: they're not gonna pay me enough for me to feel 433 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: like I could survive on my own. And then I 434 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: also felt like I'm the type of person I like 435 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: to finish something if I started, and so I have 436 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: one year left, and I was like, this isn't gonna, 437 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: you know, go anywhere. 438 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 4: And I knew that I had other things. 439 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: I had interned at MTV, I had interned at a 440 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: record label. 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If you want someone to mentor, you consider 468 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: what you have to offer, not just what you want 469 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: Angela speaks on it. 470 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, being a mentor is work. 471 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: It's a job, you know, because now you have a responsibility. 472 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 4: It's like having to, you know, show somebody the ropes. 473 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: Even when you hire somebody new, say as an assistant, 474 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 3: that's a lot of work because now you're showing somebody 475 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: how to do something in order for them to be 476 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 3: And you have to be patient because everybody doesn't work 477 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: the way that you work. 478 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: And it's a time consuming thing too. 479 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: And you know, as we get busier and busier, as 480 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: you get more and more successful. 481 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 4: Time is really valuable. You know. 482 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Time is money, they say. And so for me, it's 483 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: like I don't have a lot of free time. I 484 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: don't even have time to do things for myself, Like 485 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: my nails will be raggedy because I don't even have 486 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: time to go get a manicure, you know, I might 487 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: get a facial like once every four months, because I 488 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: just honestly for my own self care. I never have 489 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 3: time to do the things that I want to do 490 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: for myself. And so if somebody can come to me 491 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: and want to be mentored, but they can also show 492 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: me what they bring to the table because they've done 493 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: the work I also need to know that you'll take 494 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: it seriously. Some people just want to hang around and 495 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: see some fun things and meet people and be able 496 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: to go back and post pictures on social media and 497 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: say that they were here and they did this. But 498 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: I need to see how serious you are, because I 499 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 3: also don't want to invest my time in someone that 500 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: is just doing this for fun and for a look. 501 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 3: I need to know that you are actually going hard 502 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: for yourself. 503 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm interested in your coffee shop. I have a coffee 504 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: shop also, and I'm wondering, like when you were building yours, 505 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: what did you feel like you would bring uniquely to 506 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: a coffee shop experience. You know there's a million. 507 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: Coffee shops out there. What did you feel like you 508 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: could uniquely bring to an experience? 509 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: Well, I love our coffee shop, but part of what 510 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: we did was we really paid attention to the origins 511 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: of our coffee and matching that up with the food 512 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: and what we serve inside and even the music and 513 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: the decor, and so we are. 514 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: It's in Betsy. 515 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful location, brand new building on the corner, 516 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: outdoor seating, but we also have things in there, like 517 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: we have patties you're not going to find that at 518 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: a typical coffee shop. 519 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 4: We have a lot of vegan options. 520 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: We have like a plant based BLT sandwich, we have 521 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: a bun and cheese sandwich. It's a lot of Caribbean 522 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: and African inspired items on the menu, and we also 523 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: serve like eighty percent black and brown owned products in there. 524 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: So it is a way because it is coffee, uplifts people. 525 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: And at the same time that we're doing what we're 526 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: doing with the coffee, we also want to uplift people 527 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 3: who have their own businesses as well. And so before 528 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: we open the coffee shop, we were doing these pop 529 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: ups at another location. 530 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: We were calling them pop uplifts. 531 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: And so we were just highlighting other small owned businesses 532 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: and letting them come in for the day, sell their products, 533 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: promoting it and it did really well, and so we 534 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: kind of wanted to go with that theme of all 535 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: offering a space for these other vendors to come in 536 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: and highlighting them. And then we have an amazing chef 537 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: that's in there, and the quality of what it is 538 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: that we do, from the avocado toes to the yogurt 539 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 3: parfait is like top notch, and so That's basically what 540 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to do. Make it a really high end 541 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: experience for us, but also have things in there that 542 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: wouldn't typically be in a coffee shop. 543 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love it. 544 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: You talked about what the franchise eventually, and like, you know, 545 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: when you think about there being so many out there, 546 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: how how do you know when you're ready to take 547 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: that leap and what will make it desirable regionally or 548 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: nationally this coffee house. 549 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: So what I want to do is because it's also 550 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 3: a coffee company, So we're in Whole Foods in the 551 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: New York area and some other stores and in some restaurants. 552 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 3: So for me, the way I'm attacking it is, you know, 553 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: getting into some of these major retailers so that the 554 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: brand recognition is there, so that when we open the 555 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: coffee shop, you've already seen us in stores, maybe you've 556 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: ordered it, maybe you've made it at home home already, 557 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: maybe you've had it at a restaurant. 558 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: You know. 559 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: We have our coffee in Tatiana's, which is Chef Kwame's 560 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: restaurant in Lincoln Center. We're in mcgrill in Brooklyn, We're 561 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: in black Swan in Maryland, so there's a few different 562 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 3: locations that we're actually kind of more hand picking where 563 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: we want to be at first before we Like I said, 564 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of slow growth. We haven't had 565 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: that company that long and so I'm not trying to 566 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: do too much too fast, and so I feel like 567 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: branding myself in that way, making it something that people 568 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: get familiar with the name. We've done a partnership with 569 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: do say also for an espresso martini with them with 570 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: their exo, and so I'm just trying to do these 571 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: things so that people get familiar with it so that 572 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: when it's time to open, because you know, people will 573 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: say there's a lot of coffee shops, but there's a 574 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: reason for that, because people love going to coffee shops. Yeah, 575 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: and so I don't feel like it's something that and 576 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: it's location. 577 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: You know, if you can get a. 578 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: Great location, then that matters a lot too. And the 579 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: opportunity and so you know, we have a lot of 580 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: great part and partnerships. I think with the coffee, the 581 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: partnerships and the collapse are going to be what really 582 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: drives us to and makes us unique. 583 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm listening to you talk and I think I'm 584 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: thinking about something we've been talking about so much and 585 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: just mainstream, not even just in tech recently, and that's AI. 586 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: And you've probably heard like these computer generated Kendrick Lamar records. 587 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering you may not have an answer to this, 588 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: but because I'm know how deeply you thought about it, 589 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: But I'm warnering, like what you think about personalities like 590 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: yourself and the future of computer generated you know, angelaees. 591 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: I wish I had one right now. 592 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: But is that something you think about often? Well, increasing. 593 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: No, But you know what it is really crazy like 594 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: to see even not even just that, but also seeing 595 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: people like in the metaverse and being able to go 596 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: and do that. But I mean, you know, we see 597 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: so many things happening where it feels like, first of all, 598 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: it feels like humans maybe we aren't going to be 599 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: necessary for a lot of reasons, you know, just like money. 600 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: I feel like at some point, like having cash is 601 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: going to be worthless, you know, because people don't No 602 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: one ever has cash on them anymore. 603 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: That's a fact. 604 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 3: And so yeah, so it's just a and I know 605 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people fight progress and fight like what's 606 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: going to happen? In the future, chure, but you have 607 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: to figure out what it is and how you can 608 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: actually you know, benefit from it. And so let me 609 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: go ahead and do some research on that. 610 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. 611 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: Figure out how I can benefit from it. 612 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: And I mean to that end, what do you think 613 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: how do you manage content ownership in your world? Because 614 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I imagine because I don't know what your contracts are, 615 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: Like I imagine when you do radio, you don't own that 616 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: asset at the end of the day, but maybe your 617 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: podcast you might. And so I wonder, like how you 618 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: think about ownership of content at the level of the 619 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: game that you're playing. 620 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 3: I own my podcast and so the deal I have 621 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 3: a deal with iHeart right now for my podcast, but 622 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: all the content is mine and so there's but anything 623 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 3: I do on iHeart like that I created while I'm there, 624 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: they own. And so I had the service before that. 625 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 3: I have that all you know, taken care of and 626 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: they didn't even try to make me give up my 627 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: rights to that, even like my Facebook page and all 628 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: of that, Like I own all of those things. I 629 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 3: know some people sell those, but I have like I think, 630 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: like four million followers on Facebook. 631 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: Wow, And so that does really well for me also. 632 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it. 633 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's. 634 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 3: Great because a lot of the content that I do, 635 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 3: you know, it is kind of a way of me 636 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: documenting my whole journey too, because interviews and things that 637 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: I've done that's all on my Facebook page. 638 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: And so for me, it's. 639 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: Valuable in that way too, for me to be able 640 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: to be like, oh, look when I did this interview 641 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: and have those moments circulating. 642 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: Always one of the moreporant things when you're starting a 643 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: business is good credit, and often even more than having 644 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: the cash, having good credit is super duper important. What 645 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: did you learn about this when you were starting out 646 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: investing in buying houses and starting businesses? And you might 647 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: have had the cash you talked about that two hundred 648 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: something thousand dollars, but what did you have to learn 649 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: about even the credit side of this game? 650 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, if you don't have good credit, 651 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 3: you're gonna end up paying for it, you know, So 652 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: either you won't be able to get a mortgage, or 653 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: your interest rate will be so high that you'll be 654 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 3: paying all this extra money that you shouldn't have to. 655 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: And so I didn't even attempt to buy a house 656 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: until I had good credit, and that meant a journey 657 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: of me fixing my credit. So even if you're thinking 658 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: right now, I don't have the money to buy a house, 659 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: start working on your credit. 660 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: You could start working on that today. You know, figure 661 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: out what it is that you need, and you could 662 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: do it yourself. You don't have to hire anybody to 663 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: do it. 664 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: These are things that you can figure out on your 665 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: own and letters that you can write. You can find 666 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: that online. If you need to contact any any of 667 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: the negative reports on your credit score, you need to 668 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: go ahead and do that. And so for me, I 669 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: fortunately started working on my credit way before I knew 670 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: I wanted to buy a house, for like two years 671 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: before I even attempted to do it, because like I said, 672 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: I had to save the money up. But then I 673 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: also was looking and I was getting prepared for that, 674 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: but I had to fix my credit. And I think 675 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: people will tell you, like, oh, what do you need 676 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: credit for if you have the cash, But why would 677 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: you want to use all your cash? 678 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean, why is this something that Angelie you care 679 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: so much about, to the extent of you know, partnering 680 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: to start a company around I mean I've heard you 681 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: talk about financial literacy for a long time entrepreneurship because. 682 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: It's all things that I didn't know, and it can 683 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: be really crippling. Like some people can't get an apartment 684 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: unless they have someone co sign for it, and that's 685 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: something that is like really difficult, because who wants to 686 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: co sign for somebody? You know how hard that is 687 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: to find. A lot of people can't co sign for somebody, 688 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: and a lot of people won't because everyone will tell 689 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: you not to do that. And so if you can't 690 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: go out like an adult and do thing for yourself, 691 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: that can be really, you know, mentally exhaustive, and it 692 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: can also just physically be such a hinderance to you. 693 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: And so that's why it's important to me. I even 694 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: look at members of my own family who have bad credit, 695 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: and you know how hard it is for them, and sometimes, 696 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 3: like for me, I wouldn't even open my bills. 697 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 4: It was really stressful. Like I thought about it a lot. 698 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 4: We all have been in. 699 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: That situation when we all haven't but but in that 700 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: situation where we know these creditors are calling our phone, 701 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: we don't even want to answer the phone. It's embarrassing 702 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: and it's also like, uh, you know, it's just so stressful, 703 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: and then maybe you answer the phone by accident one 704 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: time and then they're like, hi. 705 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 4: We're calling from Like oh my god. You know, but 706 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: it's terrible. 707 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: It's not a good feeling, and so I think it's 708 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: just important to face it and to work through it 709 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: and to make it happen, because you know, it's just 710 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: like the calmness that comes knowing that, like, okay, I 711 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: have and if there's an opportunity, you're not going to 712 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: be able to take advantage of it because you don't 713 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: have good credit. Even the building that I'm trying to 714 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: buy right now, the only reason I'm able to do 715 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: it is because my credit is good, you know, And 716 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: if it wasn't, then I'll miss out on that opportunity 717 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: to buy a thirty unit building where I'll have this 718 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: income coming in and that can help make me wealthy 719 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 3: because I don't have the credit to be able to 720 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: get the loan from the bank. 721 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 722 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because you've talked so much about financial 723 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: literacy over the years, and increasingly about entrepreneurship, what is 724 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: the difference in your mind between being broke and being poor. 725 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 4: Well being broke. 726 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: I always broke a long time, but I still had 727 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 3: a good time while I was broke. You know, being 728 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: broke is like I still was going out and eating 729 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: because I'll go to all these events with free food 730 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: and free drinks and you know, figuring it out and 731 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: me and all my friends are broke. Yeah, being poor, 732 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: I think, feels more like a mindset of I'll never 733 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: get out of this, I'll never have any money, I 734 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: can't do anything, and it can be like it feels 735 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: like people look at that as more permanent. Being broken 736 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: is like a temporary thing. You know, you don't have 737 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: to ever be poor. You can be broke temporarily and 738 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: then you can get yourself out of it. 739 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: I hate the term serial entrepreneur, but you know, for 740 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: somebody who's just an entrepreneur, you have different businesses in 741 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: different industries, you know, for people who have a lot 742 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: of ideas and are really passionate about getting those ideas 743 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: out into the world, like you have. What's some of 744 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: the best advice you've gotten or you have for people 745 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: who want to do two, three, four different things in 746 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: different verticals. What have you learned about that in order 747 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: to do it well or to stop from doing it 748 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: at all. You know, what do you say to that. 749 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: I would say, you have to prioritize at different times. 750 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: And so when I'm starting a business, I make sure 751 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: that's my main priority. 752 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 4: That is my like twenty four to seven. 753 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: You know, this takes priority over everything right now, way 754 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: up within is the priority. So everything else has to 755 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: work around that. So whatever time I have, if I 756 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 3: have to be on the air, if I have to 757 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: do this for my show, that's the most important thing. 758 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: And then everything else, the coffee, everything has to be 759 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 3: scheduled around that. I still do it, but it's not 760 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: the number one priority. When I first opened the Juice bar, 761 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 3: that was the number one priority. I was at work 762 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: and every single day I was there making sure whatever 763 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: it had to be delivered was happening. I was working 764 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: with the contractors, I was, you know, in there every 765 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: single day, working with the employees, and so that was 766 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: the first priority. 767 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: For me at that time. 768 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 3: So I think when you're a serial entrepreneur and you're 769 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 3: trying to juggle different businesses, being able to prioritize is 770 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: one of the most important things that you can do. 771 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: And then I think along with that is also having 772 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: a schedule and sticking to it because you really have 773 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: to a lot time for each thing and make sure 774 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 3: that you're like, okay, and I literally set my alarm, 775 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: like I know, from twelve to one, I have to 776 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 3: do this one o'clock. 777 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 4: Okay, one to two thirty. I'm working on. 778 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: This, set my alarm, and I give myself ample time 779 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 3: to travel or do what I have to do in 780 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: between things. But it's all about just scheduling your time 781 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: and prioritizing and taking care of yourself because you. 782 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 4: Have to get into. 783 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: Black Tech Green Money is a production of Blavity Afrotech 784 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: from the Black Effect podcast Networking Night Heart Media. It's 785 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: produced by Morgan Debonne and me Well Lucas, with additional 786 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: production support by Sarah Eric and Rose McLucas. Special thanking 787 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: to Michael Davis and Vanessa Serrano. 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