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Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 2: I hear a gunshot go off, and I tell her that,

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Speaker 2: I say run, run, and he looked and he couldn't

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Speaker 2: get away from the dude and he just took off

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Speaker 2: run and shots was going off.

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Speaker 3: He hit them and I fired another shot after that.

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Speaker 3: Now at this time, he's being reckless. The whole incident,

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Speaker 3: they was being reckless.

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Speaker 4: My life was in.

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Speaker 5: Jepany, my partner's lives in Japan, and soul was everybody

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Speaker 5: else's lives around us.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a car fly over your patrol car?

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Speaker 4: My patrol car.

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Speaker 6: Now, my eyes blinked, and I thought that we were

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Speaker 6: extras in the movie Fast and the Furious.

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Speaker 7: I think you're in a bad place back there, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 7: thinks better a lot, sir, thankfully, until this came up again.

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Speaker 4: I'm Christina Lee and I'm George.

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Speaker 8: And this is King Slime.

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Speaker 1: So this week we're recapping some pretty eventful days of

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Speaker 1: the Ysel trial, Day thirty something, joining us of Courses

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Speaker 1: executive producer Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Tommy, Hey, thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: And so just so we're clear, George has COVID and

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Speaker 1: that's why he is joining us virtually for this week's episode, which.

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Speaker 4: Is why I am not at the studio and I suck.

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Speaker 1: And we have a special guest award winning entertainment and

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Speaker 1: culture reporter making good use of her Roll twenty two

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Speaker 1: being one of the few Atlanta based reporters covering this

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Speaker 1: Ysel trial. It is my friend, Jewel Worker.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Jewel, Hey, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh of course, I mean we had to. You've been

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Speaker 1: covering this trial pretty extensively. You've done so for Billboard

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Speaker 1: and for your newsletter. Right, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: this trial?

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Speaker 9: I'm tired.

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Speaker 10: In conclusion, it's just very long and arduous, and it's

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Speaker 10: just a lot. It's just a lot, is the synopsis

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Speaker 10: that I have of this trial. I've been covering it

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Speaker 10: since the indictment, which was two years ago.

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Speaker 8: Has Atlanta seen anything like this before?

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Speaker 10: This is the longest trial in Georgia history, So no.

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Speaker 10: But obviously, right, there have been high profile reco cases before,

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Speaker 10: like the teachers, they be a cheating scandal trial and

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Speaker 10: things like that. But I definitely think this is in

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Speaker 10: a league of its own at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're definitely here to talk more about how this

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Speaker 1: is a league of its own, starting with a pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting incident that happened on September eleventh, twenty thirteen. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to walk us through what the hell happened?

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Speaker 11: Yes. So this incident I referred to as the red

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Speaker 11: Nissan incident. So in twenty thirteen, Svember eleven, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 11: like you said, police were called to the Summerdale Apartments,

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Speaker 11: which is right off of Cleveland Avenue in Old Hateville Road.

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Speaker 11: They arrive, but they're in an unmarked car to Ford Taurus.

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Speaker 11: There's two female detectives in the front seat, and then

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Speaker 11: they're training sort of a young up and coming officer

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Speaker 11: who's wearing a full uniform. He's in the back seat.

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Speaker 11: And when they arrive, they see this man running through

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Speaker 11: So this officer who's in the back, the only one

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Speaker 5: Now I have my weapon on him and I'm telling

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Speaker 3: I was standing right next to the car. I didn't

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Speaker 11: This guy jumps into this red Nissan with other individuals.

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Speaker 11: They drive this car away very quickly. They end up losing.

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Speaker 11: They hit the police car on their way out, then

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Speaker 11: make the reupiens.

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Speaker 8: Oh I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I called it a free Willy.

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Speaker 11: It's pretty great free Wily.

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Speaker 11: So they free Willy over this police car and crash

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Speaker 11: z here. So, Christina, why don't you start us off?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So the whole reason we're hearing about this

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Speaker 1: like that, you're going to see Walter Murphy sited in

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Speaker 1: so we do end up hearing testimony from somebody who

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Speaker 1: was related to the target of this attempted arm robbery,

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Speaker 1: right exactly.

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Speaker 10: So the person who is mentioned in the in the indictment,

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Speaker 9: Right? As in they're about to be robbed?

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Speaker 4: What did this guy say when he approached you all?

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Speaker 12: Do do you know what time to do?

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Speaker 4: What do you know? What do you take? You know

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Speaker 12: To mean? I mean, really everything you got and you

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Speaker 4: So? Does that is a fear?

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Speaker 12: It's like robbery, especially what it is now?

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Speaker 11: What are you at?

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Speaker 12: It look like us on hang them.

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Speaker 10: And they both kind of run away in opposite directions.

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Speaker 10: We also hear from some of the officers. We also

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Speaker 9: So we hear from a lot of people. But I

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Speaker 10: Other than the car was stolen? Or other than that

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Speaker 10: you know how this red Nissan got here? Or you

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Speaker 10: know that Derek Dodson was indeed kind of robbed. But

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Speaker 10: what is this play into the larger kind of gang conspiracy?

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Speaker 10: I think is the bigger question that I've had this

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Speaker 11: Yeah, George, you want to speak to that. What do

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Speaker 11: you think about how the prosecution is trying to tie

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Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot going on here. First,

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Speaker 4: I like there's a lot of guilt by association that

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Speaker 4: Some of this, I think is because they want to

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Speaker 4: Summerdale Apartments are notorious in the in the in that

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Speaker 4: at the time o the like, there's a an element

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Speaker 4: The problem is like there, it's like young Thug is

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Speaker 10: In her unrest, right right, Well, yeah, because he's not attached.

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Speaker 10: When you look at over at acts five, six, and

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Speaker 10: think a lot of this is like prosecutors are really

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Speaker 11: Yeah, let's take a step back and just tell a

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Speaker 11: is that Dotson was robbed right by Walter Murphy, who

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Speaker 11: went to prison for this crime. This is what he

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Speaker 11: This is we talked about Murphy before, because he's the

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Speaker 11: little bit about that jewel. I'm going to throw it

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Speaker 11: to you. First, let's learn from the police kind.

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Speaker 10: Of this idea of some people say there were three

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Speaker 9: Do you remember how many people got out of the

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Speaker 12: Yes, uh, it was about four males.

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Speaker 9: You about four males?

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Speaker 9: Do you remember exactly?

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Speaker 9: It was for when you looked at the driver, was

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you bring up that there's more

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Speaker 1: And she is just like that was not my job.

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Speaker 1: in charge of getting all that, but basically everybody's kind

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Speaker 1: I was here patrolling. This was not my business originally,

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Speaker 10: They've also been debating what is appropriate for evidence for

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Speaker 10: which he said was totally fine.

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Speaker 13: Is a police policy to record a statement from a

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Speaker 2: There is no i'll see that exists that specifically addresses.

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Speaker 13: It, okay, is that proper protocol?

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Speaker 12: That could be people?

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Speaker 6: And I think in contexts typically interviewing witnesses and sometimes

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Speaker 10: But the defense seems really adamant to point out that

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Speaker 10: that's not proper protocols, so they keep asking every subsequent

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Speaker 10: even if you thought it was a lie?

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Speaker 13: It is improper as a as a detective to delete evidence.

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Speaker 12: Correct, that would be improper, that would be wrong. Yes,

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Speaker 9: That's evidence.

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Speaker 10: And some of them are like, absolutely not. That is

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Speaker 10: I guess why are you asking me to What does

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Speaker 10: So I think even this kind of sidebar about what's

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Speaker 1: I know in this poor Sharon Lattner's she's the nine

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Speaker 4: Welcome back?

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Speaker 9: You all that I am, thank you.

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Speaker 1: But then also just a backtrack, so the car that

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Speaker 8: Her boyfriend decides.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I was doing everything I can to just

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Speaker 12: Yes, it was apparently borrowed.

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Speaker 4: How they get as you say borrow, what do you mean?

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Speaker 7: Don't exactly know how this happened. I do remember being

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Speaker 1: And I guess like it was acknowledged by the detectives,

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Speaker 1: like when you recognize that a statement is bullshit, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna go ahead and scratch that, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: that ends up, like you said, Juel, being this whole

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because then the defense brings it up where they're

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Speaker 10: is there like pertinent information that is also delete it? Like,

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Speaker 10: what's the protocol for that? Is that proper conduct? It

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I loved that they brought in all these people.

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Speaker 11: So you have this the woman who lent her car

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Speaker 7: Do you recognize that vehicle in stations in the thirty

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Speaker 12: Yes, sir, that's a vehicle that I owned.

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Speaker 11: The boyfriend who went to smoke weed at this house

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Speaker 1: Somebody stay off hand, I need to borrow a car,

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Speaker 15: Know, it was gone.

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Speaker 11: His car's gone. Yeah, so and then this car is

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Speaker 9: She reminds me of the first woman the stage. Mom,

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Speaker 9: do you remember what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 10: Whose car gets stolen and she's like, my card was stolen,

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Speaker 9: I can't tell you anything else.

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Speaker 10: I just know I'm missing a car, and the car

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Speaker 10: show us up somewhere else, right, Like she's brought in

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Speaker 9: You know, I don't know. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So it's like here he was flown in from Maryland

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Speaker 11: He wasn't He wasn't able to testify the day he

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Speaker 11: whole extra day probably changes flight. Then he goes you know,

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Speaker 8: But Bill, Bill and I the science.

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Speaker 11: Then they analyze these three guns and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 11: is there a strategy behind all of these like minutia

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Speaker 4: This is how we know it's evidence. So here here

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Speaker 4: It's some of this is extraneous and it's obviously so No.

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Speaker 4: I think the prosecution ist dragging some of this out

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Speaker 9: Process, that's the question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then I don't understand, you know, assuming they've got

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Speaker 4: You know these things are connected, but it's a long

448
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Speaker 4: slog from here to there. I have no idea, what

449
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 4: the what the journey is actually going to remember. I

450
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 4: think that they're looking for impressions to.

451
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Speaker 10: Your point to George, I think, you know, they do

452
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 10: have this responsibility to lay this foundation, so they do

453
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 10: have to bring certain people in. But we also have

454
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Speaker 10: to keep in mind that these things happened ten years ago.

455
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 10: So you have somebody like a Leonard Pass who you

456
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 10: have to bring in. Derek Dootson is dead. You want

457
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 10: to establish that this crime occurred, that they were robbed,

458
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 10: you have to bring him in.

459
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Speaker 12: Now this past. How is your memory? I guess I

460
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Speaker 12: can say it's not good.

461
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Speaker 2: I mean, I I had like a concussion when I

462
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: played football once.

463
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Speaker 10: But then you also got to content with the fact

464
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 10: that he's like I got a concussion, and maybe I

465
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 10: said he was six ' three, but maybe he was

466
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 10: you know what I mean, Like you're trying to discuss

467
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 10: like the height of somebody, or you're trying to discuss,

468
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 10: you know, what the person who did the robbery looked like,

469
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 10: and all of those things, and those things become fuzzy

470
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Speaker 10: because even for somebody who doesn't have a concussion, it

471
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 10: was ten years ago, and so it's you know, there's

472
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Speaker 10: no perfect witness kind of thing not.

473
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Speaker 1: To mention when you're dealing with a traumatic incident like

474
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Speaker 1: that with getting robbed. You don't know anything, you don't

475
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: have a height hirt next to you. Everything is happening

476
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 1: so fast. And it was Leonard who was like, we

477
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: need to run. Yeah, So if you were bolting that

478
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: fast from somebody who has a gun, nobody has time

479
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: to gage somebody's weight or telling you.

480
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Speaker 9: What that man's nostrils look like.

481
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Speaker 10: You know what I mean, Like I was in fight

482
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Speaker 10: or flight the mode. I don't know what his eye

483
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Speaker 10: shape was. I was running, so I think, yeah, I

484
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Speaker 10: get it.

485
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Speaker 11: All right, Well, let's take a break and we'll be

486
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Speaker 11: right back talk more about this incident. All right, Welcome

487
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 11: back to King Slime. So, all right, we've been talking

488
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 11: about all these people coming up and testifying, and we

489
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 11: learned these details. And I want to sort of get

490
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 11: a gut check from all of you on this because

491
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 11: we have some cops saying there were four people in

492
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Speaker 11: the car, some cops saying there were three people in

493
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Speaker 11: the car, that the people scattered when the car hit

494
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Speaker 11: the laundromat in different directions, And there is this idea

495
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Speaker 11: that one of the people got away. Now, some of

496
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Speaker 11: the cops said. The two female cops who were in

497
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Speaker 11: the unmarked Taurus with the officer, one of them ends

498
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 11: up arresting Walter Murphy on the ground. And these folks

499
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 11: testified that a woman was driving the car with a

500
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Speaker 11: blonde wig. And there's this actually really funny moment where

501
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Speaker 11: I see they must have at some point described her

502
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Speaker 11: in the reporter or something as like large chested? Is

503
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Speaker 11: there something like that. It's like, we'll play the you'll

504
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 11: hear it.

505
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Speaker 13: Do you know what it means when someone a woman

506
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 13: is described as heavy chested? Yes, okay, what would you

507
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 13: what would you imagine that? Not imagine what would that

508
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 13: be if you were to describe a woman as heavy chested?

509
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 13: What would what would your description mean?

510
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Speaker 4: Isn't it I'm going to sustain on what's relevance? I'm

511
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 4: moving bye, thank.

512
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Speaker 11: You, which is funny because that goes back for it.

513
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 11: But I'm trying to figure out what's happening when when

514
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 11: they're talking about this and it seems like was there

515
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 11: some they show pictures of young thug at the time

516
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 11: to like show what he looks like the defense does

517
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 11: and like they're trying to counter something, is what's happening

518
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 11: here that they're saying Young Thug was the fourth person

519
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 11: in this car, and are they saying that Young Thug

520
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 11: was potentially confused for this female driver. I'm just going

521
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 11: to ask those questions because those are questions I had

522
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 11: when I was watching this, So Christina understand.

523
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Speaker 1: I mean the we kicked off very confusingly, because yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: one of the first things that we're seeing is like

525
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: Thug's a rest record, and then like a mugshot, and

526
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: then basically you have an officer confroning, yes, that's a mugshot.

527
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: Any other questions, No, I guess I'm permanently excused now.

528
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were like trying to parse whether Young

529
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Thug's hair was blonde or black at the time. So

530
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: you're being introduced to this and you're like, what the

531
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: hell is this going on? Like don't we know this

532
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: cop sh already? And then turns out, I guess the

533
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: lead up supposedly is that what we hear over police

534
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: radio is that they are still in search of somebody

535
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: who may have escaped, jumped over the fence of the

536
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: hill from which the car free willid and is on

537
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: the run somewhere and the entire time that police are

538
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: trying to track down who this fourth person is. The

539
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: only bit of information that they've held on too is

540
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: as this person is a woman. This person is a woman.

541
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: There's a blonde wig and stuff like that. I guess

542
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: this is what they're leading up to and attempts to

543
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: connect Young Thub. But right now it still still feels

544
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: like it's an open ended question whether there was a

545
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: fourth person or not.

546
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Speaker 8: We're still not even sure which.

547
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Speaker 10: To your point, it seemed really determined to try to

548
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 10: place young Thug in that car, and I think that

549
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 10: speaks to the Adrian being of it all, which I'm

550
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 10: sure we'll get to because you know, there's these call,

551
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 10: these jail calls where he says that young Thug was

552
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 10: in the car, but they haven't been played to Durry yet.

553
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: I just went to wrong mom, Fuck away, man, I

554
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: should have follow Thug.

555
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 10: And he's gotten on the stand so far and has

556
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 10: said twenty thirteen, I don't know what happened in twenty thirteen.

557
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: I suffered from Molly.

558
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Speaker 12: I don't know if you're all familiar with that. He

559
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 12: suffered from Molly.

560
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 9: Just ma'am, I suffered from Molly.

561
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 10: I suffered from Molly, which was his way of saying

562
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 10: that he was he had a substance use issue with

563
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 10: Molly and that he was high for most of that

564
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 10: time and that he cannot recall or remember anything that

565
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 10: happened in twenty thirteen.

566
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Speaker 9: And so the.

567
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Speaker 10: The prosecutors kind of drilled down where they're like asking line,

568
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 10: line kind of some of the things he said on

569
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 10: that jail call, one of them being that young thug

570
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 10: was in the car right, and he just every time

571
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 10: says I don't recall, I don't recall, I knows music.

572
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 4: What the question here is what will the jury believe right,

573
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: will believe you've been right now saying I don't remember,

574
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, or wouldn't believe that he was saying

575
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: something true when he was speaking at the time in

576
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Speaker 4: twenty exactly.

577
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 10: And to your point, they're set they're setting it up, right.

578
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 10: So prosecutors have had this discussion outside of the jury

579
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 10: where they say, we have this jail call. Bean says

580
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 10: thug's in the car. He you know, says that Walt

581
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 10: Murphy was shooting at cops. YadA YadA ya. We have

582
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 10: this jail call. If Adrian Bean gets up there and

583
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 10: is like, I remember it all like it was yesterday, Yes,

584
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 10: young thug was in the car and Walt Murphy shot

585
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 10: at the cops and you know, blah blah blah. Then

586
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 10: we don't need the jail call because he has corroborated

587
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 10: everything that we have said. If he gets up there

588
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 10: and he's like, it's all a blur, I can't remember,

589
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 10: which is exactly what he does, then we want to

590
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 10: bring in the jail call to show that that's not

591
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 10: what he said ten years ago. And so you know,

592
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 10: the judge has kind of agreed, you know, if it

593
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 10: plays out how y'all think it might play out, then

594
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 10: we can bring the jail call in.

595
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 9: If not, then we don't need the jail call.

596
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 10: So, really, what the prosecution is doing when they're asking

597
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 10: him line by line, did you refer to Big Jeff,

598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 10: did you refer to you know, y'a either going line

599
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 10: by line based on what he said in those jail calls,

600
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 10: is because they want him to say I don't remember

601
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 10: or I didn't say that, so that they can then go, funny, you.

602
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 9: Should say that here's the jail call.

603
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 15: Right.

604
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 10: They're setting it up so that they can play that

605
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 10: jail call. And to your point, George say, all right, jurors,

606
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 10: who do you believe. Do you believe twenty thirteen Adrian

607
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 10: Bean or do you believe twenty twenty four Adrian Bean.

608
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 11: And because they were debating about whether this was going

609
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 11: to be put in his evidence, we got a chance

610
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 11: to hear the nine the jail call, so we you know,

611
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 11: the jurors haven't heard it yet, but we did. And

612
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 11: so what he specifically says is he's talking to his

613
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 11: wife from the jail after he's arrest and he said,

614
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 11: I wish I would have run with thug because he

615
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 11: got away. That's exactly what he says. So it is so, George,

616
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 11: you sound like you were about to chime in there.

617
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 11: What do you make of all this?

618
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Speaker 4: Well, it goes to this question of conspiracy and what

619
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: the jury is going to be thinking, because if they're

620
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: here in Bean deny knowledge of this call in twenty thirteen,

621
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: then it will it will feed into this idea that

622
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: the gang is still trying to protect themselves one way

623
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: or another, that they're engaging in a no stitching thing

624
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 4: where they protect young Thug and maybe themselves in the process.

625
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: The ility is by saying no, I only lever, I

626
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: don't know anything. I was high. A juror may conclude, well,

627
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: they're all lying. There must be a real gang. This

628
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: is a conspiracy. That's what racketeering is. In boom condision

629
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: like it is really insidious.

630
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think.

631
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: Because because if there's I, let's the Simi's telling the truth,

632
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: like there's no there there there are no conditions under

633
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: which you could say anything one way or another other

634
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: than no, I didn't say that. This is a lie.

635
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: Where where a juror who already had skepticism of the

636
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: people who are testifying, would would would lower their skepticism

637
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: of what they're saying. Like in that, I can see

638
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: why the prosecution would want to keep trying to set

639
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: up situations like this to just sort of create this

640
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: parade of witnesses who are saying I don't know, I

641
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: don't recall, this isn't true, like in order to all

642
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: look like they're guilty.

643
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 10: And Adrian Bean's thing is like I'm not you know,

644
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 10: he explicitly says, I'm not in YSL.

645
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 9: They don't have nothing to do with me. I don't

646
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 9: want I want to put this time behind me.

647
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 10: I've served my time, I don't remember nothing, to stop

648
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 10: asking me questions, right. But then there's also these moments

649
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 10: where Adrian Love says, do you recognize anybody in his courtroom?

650
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 10: And he's like no, And then he's like, oh, I

651
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 10: do know young Thug, but I know him through his music, right,

652
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 10: And so then you have to ask yourself, is the jury,

653
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 10: how is the jury gonna perceive that when they hear

654
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 10: these jail calls where he's like, I should have run

655
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 10: with Thug And it's like, well, you said you didn't

656
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 10: know Thug, You said you only knew him through his music,

657
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 10: or you you know, you said you didn't really know

658
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 10: you knew of him from the neighborhood, but that you

659
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 10: had never really had any personal dealings with him. That

660
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 10: is I think what goes to your point, George, of

661
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 10: does the I don't recall or the no ma'am's and

662
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 10: kind of the not responsive the non responsiveness then kind

663
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 10: of play up this idea of look at them continuing

664
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 10: to protect kind of the quote unquote gang or themselves,

665
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 10: whether or not Adrian Bean says he's an official member

666
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 10: of YSL or not.

667
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: So that's something for the jury to look forward to.

668
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: It seems they're going to be able to hear that call.

669
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: It's most likely. In the meantime, you know, as all

670
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: this testimony is taking place, we are seeing debate between

671
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: prosecution and defense over whether to admit yet another call

672
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: this but specifically like a nine to one one call.

673
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: It also took place September eleventh, twenty thirteen. Confusingly, it

674
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: occurs at the next phase of the Summadale apartment complex

675
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about, So it's literally just kind

676
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: of like around the corner. And in this call, we

677
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: have a nine to one one caller reporting a shooting

678
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: and she says that there is a shooter hiding in

679
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: her friend's home. And she says, they came to my

680
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: house and told me that the guy who shot somebody's

681
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: name was Young Thug, whoever that is supposed to be.

682
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: And she also says, please don't tell anybody I made

683
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: this call.

684
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 11: It's not an emency.

685
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: We got shot the gun making hand.

686
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 7: Again, she don't know what to do.

687
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: We have prosecutions, saying like, of course this brings young

688
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: This situates Young Thug into the malay that basically happens

689
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: around Cleveland Avenue around this day on the other hand,

690
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: defence is essentially saying, look, we can't cross examine this caller.

691
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: She did not want to be identified and she refuses

692
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: to be found, so I can't cross examine this person.

693
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: And also, this is the only mention of Young Thug.

694
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: She's not even sure whether it's Young Thug she said

695
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Young Thug or somebody. So before we get into what

696
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: actually happened with this call, what did we even think

697
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: about this being considered as evidence.

698
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 11: Well, there was a negotiation that happened over this call,

699
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 11: and what they ended up doing is playing the call

700
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 11: for the jury, but they cut out the reference to

701
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 11: Young Thug, which was interesting. So just to set that up, Jewel,

702
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 11: I mean, what did you make of all that? And

703
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 11: the final thing that the jury got to hear?

704
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 10: Well, I think the point of introducing the nine one

705
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 10: one call is to introduce Young Thug as being involved

706
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 10: in this, and so if you cut the reference to

707
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 10: Young Thug out that it just becomes a nine one

708
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 10: one call about chaos being in a neighborhood, which we

709
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 10: already know that there's a shooting in the neighborhood.

710
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 9: We already kind of have some of these pieces.

711
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 10: I think the pertinent piece of that call was that

712
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 10: somebody named young Thug who was involved in this shooting

713
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 10: is in this woman's house. If we don't hear the

714
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 10: name young Thug, then what is that kind of bolster?

715
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it does suggest that someone maybe got

716
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 11: away from the shooting just in her apartment. And even

717
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 11: if you don't name that person could have been young Thug,

718
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 11: which is what they've been sort of insinuating with this

719
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 11: person that escaped that may have looked like a woman

720
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 11: that may have had blonde dreads or blonde hair or

721
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 11: whatever and maybe was hiding out in an apartment.

722
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 10: I think it's important to note when it comes to

723
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 10: this nine one one call too, that the reason defense

724
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 10: attorneys were so adamant that the young Thug reference not

725
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 10: being brought in, and the reason that it wasn't brought

726
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 10: in was because the calls are made by people who

727
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 10: insisted on being anonymous, and so they are not going

728
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 10: to be called to the West witness stand, they're not

729
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 10: going to be testified, they're not going to testify, and

730
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 10: because of that, defense attorneys won't get as chance to.

731
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 9: Cross examine them.

732
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 10: Right, So then it becomes a well, you can't bring

733
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 10: up my client if I don't get the opportunity to

734
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 10: cross examine you on this thing. And so that is

735
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 10: one of the that's the big reason why Young Thug's

736
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 10: name has been omitted from this nine one call.

737
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, and defense argued that this was double hearsay. Yeah, right,

738
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 11: So it was hearsay because you're getting this woman who's

739
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 11: not actually witnessing anything happen. She's saying, my neighbor's telling

740
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 11: me that somebody came into apartment, which that whole situation

741
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 11: is a little bit strange. It's like this woman comes

742
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 11: over physically to her neighbor's apartment, tells her there's someone

743
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 11: in her apartment and her baby's there and whatever, but

744
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 11: then goes back to the apartment and has her phone

745
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 11: with her, but doesn't call the police herself. So it's

746
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 11: just kind of a strange situation to begin with. But

747
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 11: so you have this one layer of hearsay, and then

748
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 11: the second layer of say is because they can't bring

749
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 11: anybody in to talk about this, so you've just got

750
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 11: basically you're relying on Love's interpretation of this, and that's

751
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 11: a dangerous thing to put to the.

752
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 8: Much interpretation over this call and is this person frantic?

753
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Are they not frantic? Is this an emergency? Is it

754
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: not an emergency? Where are they? How in close proximity?

755
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: How close in proximity is she to the cop cars?

756
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: How close is she to the actual situation concerning the

757
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: coin laundromat. There's so much speculation that I kept wondering,

758
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: could easily have just been resolved much more expediently with

759
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: a testimony.

760
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: Some part of this I think might be things the jury,

761
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: Like the jury has got no basis in what YSL

762
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 4: is or game life is, you would think, I mean,

763
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: if they're serving on a jury, it's unlikely that the

764
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: convicted of a felony or have been living a gang

765
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: life themselves. And so let me just say this, like

766
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: this apartment complex is notorious. The people who have lived

767
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: in this apartment complex have lived like sort of with

768
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: YSL for a long time, Like this is that's home base.

769
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: And the idea that there's a shooting or cops are

770
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: chasing somebody and somebody goes into a random apartment and

771
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: they don't call the cops, it's not or somebody else

772
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: calls the cops. It's not reasonable for that apartment complex

773
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 4: given that condition, but it's not something the jury would understand,

774
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: it's something the cops would understand. And maybe and so

775
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 4: maybe they're thinking, look, we need to just demonstrate the

776
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 4: dysfunction of this place by showing this. Excepting that they're

777
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: like they're either we're really early in that process or

778
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 4: they're just not going to get it to that. That

779
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: have made that point very clearly.

780
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, because there's even the the I think I was

781
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 10: thinking about that in terms of the now one one

782
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 10: call and like why it's really it maybe is not

783
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 10: that unusual that like she would have gone back into

784
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 10: the house or whatever. Like it's there's this like nuance

785
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 10: of community that even when we talk about the Derek

786
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 10: Dotson robbery and they call him by a nickname and

787
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 10: so it he clearly knows kind of he's familiar with

788
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 10: the person that's robbing him. The person that's robbing him

789
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 10: is familiar with him. There's a communal and familiarity element

790
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 10: there that like we haven't really drilled down into, but

791
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 10: I think matters and explains behavior that if you're not

792
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 10: familiar with this type of community would seem strange.

793
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: This is all a really good point that a lot

794
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: of this just hasn't been established certainly over like the

795
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: past couple days or whatever, and I'm going curious to

796
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: see whether they actually get to explaining the culture of

797
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: that area and just like how that informs the way

798
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: that police navigate this area, which would ultimately lead us

799
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: to this one, this case in particular.

800
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 11: And this whole idea of sort of your frame of reference,

801
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 11: your personal frame of reference, is really interesting. We talk

802
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 11: about like, I think the three of us, Christina, George

803
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 11: and myself at least we've gotten to know each other

804
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 11: pretty well in this process. We're all journalists, we're all

805
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 11: fairly skeptical, but we're not jurors, and we don't know

806
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 11: what jurors think. So, uh, you know, I'm curious, Juelle,

807
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 11: what you think now that we're bringing you in as

808
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 11: a guest this week about what the jury like. We

809
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 11: sort of assume, oh, the jury's thinking this, but we

810
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 11: really can't make any assumptions, can we.

811
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 10: You can't, cause I think people the way that I

812
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 10: always try to explain it is you can have the

813
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 10: same exact experience experience as the person sitting next to you,

814
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 10: and you can have a completely different perception of it.

815
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 9: That's just human nature is how it works. Right.

816
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 10: And I think specifically for people in Atlanta who have

817
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 10: interacted with crime in some way, I been victims of

818
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 10: crime or you know, they've had things occur around them,

819
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 10: they might leave that situation with a completely different perspective

820
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 10: than the person next to them who experienced the same

821
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 10: exact thing. I always tell people my family, for instance,

822
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 10: this was probably seven or eight years ago, my cousin

823
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 10: was killed by fifteen and sixteen year old gang members. Right,

824
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 10: And even within our family, the perceptions of justice and

825
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 10: what's a reasonable punishment versus an unreasonable punishment differs based

826
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 10: on age, based on other experiences that we've had.

827
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 9: Right. There are people who.

828
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 10: Have very strong maybe are tougher on crime than others. Right,

829
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 10: And this is all our relative. This happened to our relative.

830
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 10: But we just have completely different perceptions of crime in

831
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 10: Atlanta and how prevalent it is, right, and kind of

832
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 10: punishment and justice. And so I think it's really hard

833
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 10: to speculate and to be certain what someone's perception might be.

834
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 10: Even though we're all experiencing the same evidence, we're looking

835
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 10: at the same testimony, we might be interpreting it completely different.

836
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 10: You know than what somebody else is who is also

837
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 10: an Atlanta native and also maybe is familiar with these neighborhoods,

838
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera.

839
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 12: Exactly.

840
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: I was about to say, if like these jurors already

841
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: have this understand of like how communities like this work

842
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: and just like how communal everything is, like, they might

843
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: just take a lot of things for granted. It's like okay, well, like, okay,

844
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: we recognize all this based on our prior experience with

845
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: crime here in Atlanta. There's probably not a whole lot

846
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: that they need to question about the testimony.

847
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 10: But you could also have a different relation to police, Like, right,

848
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 10: there might be people who are familiar and are like

849
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 10: get them basically, like cops need to be tough on this.

850
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 10: I'm tired of my neighborhood being you know, a part

851
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 10: of this narrative, right, And there are other people that

852
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 10: are like the cops are making it worse, or they're harassing,

853
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 10: or it's it's uncalled for, it's too tough. Right, People

854
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 10: who grew up in the same exact neighborhood, are had

855
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 10: the same exact experiences might just really have a different perception.

856
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 11: You don't know, I guess my overall question with all

857
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 11: this and George, maybe I'll throw this one to you

858
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 11: because I'm curious what you think about this. If this

859
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 11: is a gang related incident tied to YSL, I guess

860
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 11: I have two questions. Why are Frederick broth Row and

861
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 11: Adrian Bean not in the indictment? And my second question

862
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 11: is if they think young Thug is tied to this incident,

863
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 11: why wasn't he arrested in twenty thirteen when this incident happened.

864
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: Well that's let me take the second first, because Talithunk

865
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: wasn't arrested because they didn't have enough evidence, which raises

866
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: the question why are we hearing about it now? Like

867
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 4: how in the world does a phone call that results

868
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: in you know, there's an investigation but no arrest, suddenly

869
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: still get in front of a jury when you're considering

870
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: he is kilt as an accused gang member. And the

871
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: answer is rico. Rico and gay cases allow for a

872
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: quality of evidence to be introduced that you would not

873
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: get in a regular trial, and it's why the defense

874
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: bar hates Rico trials. This would not be fair in

875
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: another trial if he was on trial for a murder

876
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: and not being charged as a gang member. None of

877
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: this would be admissible and they know it, so they

878
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: charged it with Rico and they can throw the kitchen

879
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: sink at him. And the question is whether or not

880
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 4: the jury understands this and to what degree they accept

881
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: or discount that. Your first question was why weren't the

882
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: other guys brought in? And maybe it's because it's just

883
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: a super complex case as it is, and there's no

884
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: point Prof Ro is in prison. He's in Telfair State

885
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: Prison with a backs outdate in twenty twenty eight. It

886
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: isn't clear that they get more from him, Like can you, like,

887
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: do you convict him on a gang crime on top

888
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: of that and extend is sentence? I mean, okay, that's

889
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: something like, but I don't know from a position of

890
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 4: criminal justice sense, it makes sense to stick an extra

891
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: five year this guy in jail for nextra five years.

892
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: You know, he's been in jail for the last ten

893
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: I take its triage.

894
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 11: Even if young Thug is in this car, even if

895
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 11: they even if people believe that young Thug is in

896
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 11: this car, that he got away and he was tied

897
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 11: to this incident, how are they making the argument that

898
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 11: this is a gang crime that is tied to Ysel

899
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 11: because that seems you know, we talk about that third

900
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 11: box all the time, the infurtherance of a gang box.

901
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 11: Talked a lot about that last week. How is that

902
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 11: case being made? And I'm from what you've been saying

903
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 11: so far, it sounds like maybe that's just a slow

904
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 11: thing they're trying to trickle out over time. Is that right?

905
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: So? I think so? Like the hard part here is

906
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: that a lot of a lot of the prosecution strategy

907
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: is inscrutable. I don't I'm guessing at it. I feel

908
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: like a kremlinologist trying to understand what Moscow is doing.

909
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: They're not telegraphing anything either. They've gone out of their

910
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: way to avoid, you know, presenting you know, a list

911
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 4: of what witnesses are going to be coming next and when.

912
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: So we're left to guess at what their long term

913
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: strategy here is. They want to show a pattern, like

914
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 4: it's to describe somebody as a gang member. You want

915
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: to show a pattern of gang crime.

916
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 11: There was some language in the testimony here that made

917
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 11: me perk up with this gang stuff too, because they

918
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 11: talked about sort of like drug money in the car

919
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 11: being used to buy a lean. At one point, Walter

920
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 11: Murphy was described as like young thugs, like guy like

921
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 11: his henchmen or something. There was a term that was

922
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 11: used that basically insinuated. And so I can see the

923
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 11: pieces sort of like slowly being assembled, but I'm surprised

924
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 11: that they aren't with every one of these incidents being

925
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 11: like this is why this is a gang.

926
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 9: Incident more deliberate.

927
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 10: There was a funny moment about the lean I thought about,

928
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 10: especially when I think about juror perception.

929
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 9: They asked Adrian Bean if he knew what a leen was,

930
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 9: and he was like no.

931
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Do you recall the tech telling detected David Quinn that

932
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: after you all determined that nothing was going on with

933
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: that situation, you all, you.

934
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: Dk were the person with the.

935
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 14: D and the K on his face, big bread and

936
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 14: young thug.

937
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: We're all going in on some lean.

938
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 12: No, ma'am.

939
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Do you know what lean is?

940
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: No, ma'am.

941
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 12: You don't know what lean is, no, ma'am.

942
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 10: And then they asked him if he knew what a

943
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 10: lick was, and he was like no, And I'm like, somebody,

944
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 10: you sir.

945
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 9: Okay, like the the the I don't recall. They're getting

946
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 9: a little fast and loose, Adrian Ban you don't know

947
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 9: what lean is and you don't know what a lick is.

948
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 10: It was an interesting he said, no, ma'am, he said, no, ma'am,

949
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 10: I don't know what a leaky is.

950
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 9: What is it?

951
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 11: The no mams were interesting because at first I was like, oh,

952
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 11: they're getting nothing from this guy, and I thought that

953
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 11: he was like stonemalling him and it was. But what

954
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 11: you realize is that this strategically we talked a little

955
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 11: bit about this already, but the nomams add up, and

956
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 11: so by the time they gave the prosecution an opportunity

957
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 11: to read every single piece of that police report and

958
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 11: comment on it, and the jail call and all these things,

959
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 11: they were basically able to assemble that entire narrative around

960
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 11: these nomams, yep, which was kind of fascinating to watch.

961
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 9: It's basically like a little preview y'all gonna hear something

962
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 9: a little later. Just here's a sprinkling of WHI y'all

963
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 9: might here in a few days, you know.

964
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a little preview next time on the Wise trial.

965
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: All right, So.

966
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 11: Overall, let's let's wrap up the Red Nissan Conference of

967
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 11: the Free Willie incident, whatever we want.

968
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: To call it.

969
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 11: Let's wrap up the conversation on this. So I'm going

970
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 11: to ask each and each one of you do you

971
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 11: think this incident helped the prosecute more, or the defense more,

972
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 11: or or was neutral?

973
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 4: Jewel will start with you.

974
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 10: I want to see a little more. I want to

975
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 10: see the jail call be introduced. I'm not sure yet.

976
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 10: So far, I am more neutral than anything. I think

977
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 10: there have certainly been moments that have helped their case,

978
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 10: but I still haven't seen it be brought together in

979
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 10: a way that I think really.

980
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 8: Coheres.

981
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 10: It's not really coherent at this point, but I think

982
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 10: if we tie in those pieces right Walter Murphy is

983
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 10: on the witness list, we have this jail call coming up,

984
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 10: there are some pieces that I think very well could

985
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 10: tie it together and make it a strong presentation for

986
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 10: the prosecution.

987
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 9: But I'm not sure.

988
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 10: I've seen it be as cohesive as it should be yet.

989
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Christ it's interesting now that we have to factor in

990
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: Adrian Berean's testimony and the possible strategy leading up to that.

991
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: I could certainly see how prosecution ultimately will benefit like especially,

992
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see how the coming days you know,

993
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: turn out. But what I was taking away from all this,

994
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: even prior to that, was that nobody remembers a damn thing.

995
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Nobody knew a thing back then. But certainly when you're

996
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: talking about a police officer who typically wears corrective lenses,

997
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: if only for reading, couldn't even see in the car.

998
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: And she was the one who said that there might

999
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: have been she identified a female driver.

1000
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 13: Why weren't you wearing your glasses on that day?

1001
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 6: I normally don't wear glasses. I liked personally, I like

1002
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 6: to wear them just to suit up my attire.

1003
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 9: Okay, it's just my forte. But they are prescriptions that

1004
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 9: absolutely It's.

1005
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: Like, how much can we really like take into consideration here?

1006
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 8: There was a lot.

1007
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, as we talked about, you know, it's really

1008
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: hard to remember incidents like this where everything just happened

1009
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: so fast. And to me, this was just testimony, I guess,

1010
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: to just how imperfectly the human the human mind is

1011
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: when it comes remembering something this long ago.

1012
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 11: And one quick thing before we get to you, George. So,

1013
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 11: the other thing that was interesting about the cops was

1014
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 11: you learned how siloed each one of those positions were

1015
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 11: like the people. I was the shot that the cops

1016
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 11: that made the arrest then just have nothing to do

1017
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 11: with the rest of the process. Like Detective Queen comes

1018
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 11: in and then so these cops had no idea what

1019
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 11: happened after the incident. They didn't And so you don't

1020
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 11: have one person on the police side, I mean, Quinn,

1021
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 11: maybe it's that person, right, It didn't first hand witness anything.

1022
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: The radio ends up being like a really app metaphor

1023
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: for all this, right, because we get into all this

1024
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: technical jargon whatever about how like at some points you

1025
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: can tune into the main channel and get in what's

1026
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: going on. You could relay messages there, but then you

1027
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: could silo off into this other channel and exchange information

1028
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: that way. And so as all this is sort of

1029
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: a mounting together, we hear thirty minutes of people just

1030
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the hell is going on

1031
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: and just being like, okay, are you hit to this.

1032
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: We're finding a woman. Now, we're going to find a

1033
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: woman who's hopped over the fence. And we're like, wait

1034
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: a second, a woman.

1035
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: You have a female and custody black female with blond

1036
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: here all right, fifty three to one.

1037
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 14: We know we're missing a black female with a blonde.

1038
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: Wig, and it's just like it is chaos. And so

1039
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: we did kind of see that unfold on the stand

1040
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: where people were just like I was here to do

1041
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: one job, and one job only. I don't know the

1042
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: other persons job. Maybe I'm aware of it, but who knows,

1043
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: who knows honestly?

1044
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 11: So, George, what did you think? What's your overall impression

1045
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 11: of this incident and whether you think it helped the

1046
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 11: prosecution and defense more so, I'm kind.

1047
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 4: Of a jewel on this one. It's kind of TBD.

1048
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: I'll be neutral, Like my vote is neutral. If they

1049
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: can tie this very clearly to other evidence that's stronger

1050
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 4: than what we've seen, and this makes all the sense

1051
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: of the world. It's a building block here building it,

1052
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: you know, building a wall brick by brick, but if

1053
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: there's nothing that, it's just a brick. And I don't

1054
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: need a brick, just a brick.

1055
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the metaphor for this entire trial. I'm like,

1056
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 10: I got a bunch of bricks, right, I don't know

1057
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 10: what we're gonna make with it, but we got a

1058
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 10: bunch of bricks.

1059
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 9: TBD. On what's gonna come.

1060
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: With the bricks.

1061
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 8: Maybe a retaining wall could be a retaining roll to

1062
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 8: fix that launder.

1063
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, we got to fix the lundroment.

1064
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 11: All right, Well that's great. So well let's take a

1065
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 11: break and we'll come back and we'll talk a little

1066
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 11: bit more about the media's reaction to this trial.

1067
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: We are back, and we figure with this part of

1068
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: the conversation. We just have to we just have to

1069
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: ran you, guys, we have to make sense of our

1070
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: experience covering this trial as journalists, especially with Jule and

1071
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: I being entertainment reporters, and this concerning like one of

1072
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: the biggest rappers to come out of Atlanta. This is

1073
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: somebody who you'd be covering. You've profiled Gonna for GQ,

1074
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: I profiled them for Double XCEL. So like this is

1075
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: very much in our orbit. I'm gonna be an with

1076
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the story. Okay, because Juwel and I have both been

1077
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: on CNN. We've been on the show first of all

1078
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: with Victor Blackwell, both talking about the Ysel trial. So

1079
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: there was a moment Juel where I was literally about

1080
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: to step on set. They had me all micd up

1081
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: and everything, and this was I was on there to

1082
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: talk about the arrest of y Cel defense attorney Nicole Fagan,

1083
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: which is this whole thing. I'm about to step onto

1084
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: set and one of the camera crew was like, this

1085
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: isn't even the first attorney to be arrested who's connected

1086
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: to this trial? And I was like, that is correct.

1087
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: I felt like such a proud teacher. I said, how

1088
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: have you been keeping up with this trial? And he

1089
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: said Instagram?

1090
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. How does anyone keep up with anything? Christina?

1091
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 9: Instagram and TikTok.

1092
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: Is our This is the question that is very much

1093
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: at the center of our jobs right now. Absolutely What

1094
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: has that been like to offer context, context, contacts and

1095
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: George you can speak to this too, of course, in

1096
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Speaker 1: this age of social media, what has that been like

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 9: Interesting concerning rewarding.

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Speaker 10: I think all of the above, right, Like I think

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Speaker 10: I see it as my job to be able to

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Speaker 10: report on things and inform people, and social media certainly

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Speaker 10: provides a platform to be able to do that if

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Speaker 10: people are open to it. Keep point being if people

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Speaker 10: are open to it, and everybody ain't open to it.

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Speaker 9: But I also think it.

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Speaker 10: Can be frustrating because people operate. You know, we talked

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Speaker 10: about how like the police officers operate in the silo.

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00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 10: People operate in silos, right, And so if you've seen

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Speaker 10: a twelve second clip on Instagram or TikTok, you probably

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00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 10: will argue me down that you know more about the

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Speaker 10: case than I do than at it.

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Speaker 9: I'll probably let you because I'm not going to go back,

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Speaker 9: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 10: And so I think it has been frustrating because you

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Speaker 10: see how easily misinformation or even if it's not a lie.

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Speaker 9: It's not the full truth or it's not the full picture.

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Speaker 10: You see how quickly things like that can disseminate on

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Speaker 10: social media, and for a case, I think what's particularly

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Speaker 10: interesting about this case is that it's been going on

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Speaker 10: for so long and.

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Speaker 9: We have no end in sight.

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Speaker 10: Okay, And so when you have a case that's this

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Speaker 10: length and you have the shortest tension spans that we

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Speaker 10: have as a society, good luck getting everyone to know

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Speaker 10: what the hell is going on at any point in time.

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Speaker 10: I've been covering, as you said, Christina rap in Atlanta,

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Speaker 10: hip hop in Atlanta for years, and I you know,

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Speaker 10: I had just covered when the indictment came down, had

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Speaker 10: just written that profile of Gonna for GQ. And so

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Speaker 10: I was already kind of in the YSL orbit kind

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Speaker 10: of that year.

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Speaker 9: Little did I know.

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Speaker 10: That it would become the only orbit that I would

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Speaker 10: be in for years to come, that would be as.

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Speaker 8: Last of his greatest buds.

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Speaker 10: It's sometimes I went to and I think I've described

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Speaker 10: that party to you, that I went to the Gunna

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 10: party I went. It's always to me very indicative of

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Speaker 10: how quickly things turn. I went to Gunna's album the

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Speaker 10: week that I profiled him went number one, and so

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Speaker 10: I went to the uh.

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Speaker 9: It was like a it was like a celebration of that.

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 10: And it was at I don't remember the name of

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Speaker 10: the steak place, the one where they cut it with

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00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 10: the Samurai sward. It's like gold it's like gold foil

1146
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 10: encrusted steaks. It's very dramatic. And I went there and

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Speaker 10: they had these like big number one balloons that were

1148
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 10: like swaying, and the glasses were like shattering off the

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Speaker 10: floor because Drake was playing so loudly at the event

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00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 10: and Gunna young Thug of course show up at the

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Speaker 10: very last minute. They don't even eat, but there are

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Speaker 10: like these like golden crusted steaks and their smoke billowing

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00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 10: from the cutting boards where they're cutting the stakes with Samurai.

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Speaker 10: It's so dramatic, and I'm like, this is the most

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Speaker 10: Atlanta rap event I've ever been to in my entire life.

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Speaker 10: And that was in February, I want to say, And

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00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 10: by May, right, we get this indictment, and by the

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 10: time we get to summer, I'm sitting in a courtroom

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Speaker 10: with Gunna's mom and she's crying because her son is

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00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 10: being denied bond right and is facing some very very

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Speaker 10: serious charge. It's it has been a wild, wild ride

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Speaker 10: because every time you think you have a grasp on

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00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 10: what is going on and there will be no more turns,

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Speaker 10: there is always a twist.

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Speaker 9: There's always a twist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about like how much of a

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00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: struggle it is just to be able to keep up

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: when like, really it's our jobs. But I'm curious you

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00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: talked about like all these small points that could stand

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: to get lost, Like what's an example of something that

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Speaker 1: you've seen kind of get lost in the mix or George,

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Speaker 1: you too, like if there are misconceptions that have popped

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Speaker 1: up about this trial because of all the intricacies that

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Speaker 1: we're trying to recap you know, a week after week.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there have been like some more lighter ones,

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Speaker 10: like everyone is convinced that the jury was jamming to

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Speaker 10: lifestyle in court, which is actually not true. They played

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Speaker 10: it to the judge to see if they should play

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00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 10: it in front of the jury.

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Speaker 9: They didn't play it to the jury.

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Speaker 10: And then also I think an example of kind of

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00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 10: not a lie but not the full truth is there

1183
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 10: were so many clips of Ticks testimony that popped up

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Speaker 10: on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram, right, and depending on

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Speaker 10: what clip you see, you formed the opinion of, oh,

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 10: he's singing like a canary, or look at him holding

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 10: it down. He ain't telling them nothing, right, wow, And

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00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 10: maybe your opinion would be neither, or maybe a little

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Speaker 10: more neutral, or maybe you.

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Speaker 9: Would have the same opinion. I don't know.

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 10: But if you see the total thing, that might change

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Speaker 10: your perception of the And mind you, he testified over days,

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Speaker 10: so the total.

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Speaker 9: Thing was quite long.

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Speaker 10: It was not two minutes or thirty seconds or whatever

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Speaker 10: the short TikTok version was, but that might change your

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 10: perception of his testimony, how helpful he was to either

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Speaker 10: the prosecution or the defense, and what role he played

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Speaker 10: for the larger case, and so I think those those

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Speaker 10: are like examples of something that seems small, and maybe

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 10: it is small. The case isn't over though, maybe it's big,

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01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 10: and maybe it's something that he says, something really small

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 10: that really sticks with the jurorsm becomes crucial in them

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 10: forming their opinion on this case. But because you only

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 10: saw that thirty second testimony where he's naming the defendants

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01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 10: in the courtroom, you think, look at him snicheing, or

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 10: you hear him say you know, he doesn't recall, and

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 10: you think, look at him holding it down right.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of that thing that is interesting to.

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Speaker 8: Me, George.

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Speaker 1: Have there been any interesting misconceptions or understanding about the

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Speaker 1: trial that you've come across.

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Speaker 4: People are not nuanced about any of this stuff. That

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Speaker 4: has not been my experience. Most of the folks who

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 4: sort of talk to me or ask me about this stuff,

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Speaker 4: like it's immediately a discussion of lyrics and the use

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Speaker 4: of lyrics trial, Like that's that's almost always what they

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01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 4: lead with, like in terms of like how it's like

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 4: how it's being discussed in the public sphere in a

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 4: you know, online Like so there's this whole set of

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Speaker 4: like young thug stands, and I'm not like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: why wouldn't there be free thug, free wisel, like the

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 4: flood everything that anybody's ever like discussing about this, and

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to decide to what degree they should be

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Speaker 4: embraced or ignore.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Even when I watch the live stream storage, I have

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Speaker 1: to shut the chat down because young Thug fans they

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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: come out, they represent good for them. But I'm trying,

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Speaker 1: that's in my own best efforts to view everything objectively.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, am I gonna have an opinion of

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Speaker 1: this aside from what's going down in the chat, I

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Speaker 1: need to at least try.

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Speaker 10: I think we've brought up a point about how the

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Speaker 10: length of this trial complicates what people are able to know.

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Speaker 10: I think about the one that I always compare is

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Speaker 10: the Tory Lanes trial, and that was about two weeks long.

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01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 10: A newspaper, digital publication, magazine, whatever, can spare a reporter

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 10: for two weeks to say this is your beat. You

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 10: go focus on this and you don't report on anything else.

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01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 10: You're reporting on this trial. No one can afford to

1242
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 10: do that for two and a half years or however long. Right,

1243
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 10: and so they're going to be covering other things. They're

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01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 10: not going to just be on the isol be there's

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 10: no one thread that you can follow that is from

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01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 10: start to finish YSL and every minute detail that might

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 10: end up coming back to be important later.

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 9: Right.

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 10: That's what makes this so complicated is how long it

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 10: is and how difficult it is to find a number

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Speaker 10: of voices that are really zoomed in on this and

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 10: giving you the play by play for this length of time.

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Speaker 11: Well, on that note, I think we're basically wrapped up now.

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01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 11: There's a few small things we may want to just

1255
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 11: like hitting, like kind of a lightning round, because we

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Speaker 11: did have some funny moments. So we had the case

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Speaker 11: of the stolen snacks.

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Speaker 9: We're not sure who, I guess come in and clean up.

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Speaker 11: So this is I know nothing this juror. You can

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 11: hear it in sort of the in between stuff on

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Speaker 11: the feed, uh she and will play it in the

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Speaker 11: show obviously. She talks about how the snacks have been

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Speaker 11: stolen from the juror room.

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Speaker 12: We're not sure who clean up. I want to blame

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01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 12: so many people. I mean, we don't know that they

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Speaker 12: have they my saging.

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Speaker 4: That place is locked anyways, So are you.

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Speaker 11: Sure you're not eating up all the snacks?

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Speaker 12: We do have a lim in them out.

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Speaker 9: No, we actually perched that.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, well I will I'll launch an investigation.

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Speaker 12: How about that.

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Speaker 11: You know they don't get much. They don't get much,

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 11: these people, they get paid very little. Just you know,

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Speaker 11: let them have.

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Speaker 8: Their snacks and they want an investigation.

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Speaker 11: Yes, they want investigation. So season two we were joking things.

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Speaker 1: Line, it's gonna investigate what happened to the snacks where

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Speaker 1: the snacks go?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 8: Obviously there's footage, there's got to.

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Speaker 9: Be please, George, please.

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Speaker 11: We also have a juror who's excused for moving, which

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Speaker 11: we didn't get to. That was something that happened sort

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Speaker 11: of in between our tapings. This was a woman who

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Speaker 11: had apparently expressed that she was going to be moving,

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Speaker 11: and they were just like, well, we're gonna take her

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01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 11: anyway and see how the chips fall. She showed a lease.

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Speaker 11: She has moved. I think it was the end of

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Speaker 11: As of.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's officially relocated from another Cherokee county.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so so she's off the trials. So they only

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Speaker 11: have three left Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If they lose four from this point forward, trial start over.

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Speaker 11: So that's something to look at considering how long this

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Speaker 11: case could go. We'll tackle some other stuff on the

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Speaker 11: next show. There's a potential other indictment coming down the

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Speaker 11: pipes that we'll talk about maybe in a future show,

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Speaker 11: so that'll be a little tease for you. But thanks

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Speaker 11: for listening this week, and thanks to You're a wicker

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Speaker 11: for coming in and joining us. Such a lovely time

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Speaker 11: with you. Thank you for hearing your opinions and your insights.

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Speaker 11: It was great, And we'll be back next week. Nope,

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Speaker 11: we'll be back in two weeks.

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Speaker 15: Like, don't make any promises we can't keep, okay.

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Speaker 4: It's written and produced by George Cheaty, Christina Lee, and Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Andres, mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tyre

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Speaker 8: Our theme music is by Done Deal.

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Speaker 4: For more shows from iHeart Podcasts, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 4: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.