WEBVTT - Ep. 269: The Mooch

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<v Speaker 1>This is me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. First off, right before we do anything YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, you can go watch The B Side of

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<v Speaker 1>Fishing with our very own beloved Joseph Melli. So Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Melli is great also you should go follow Joe's Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>to keep track of all of our fishing stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>What the one three eight's all about? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>j O E dot c E r m E l

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<v Speaker 1>E one. Yeah, go because Joe, Like, that's a long story.

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<v Speaker 1>Hook shots Joe, He's now b side of Fish and Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also the Bent Podcast. If you if you

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<v Speaker 1>love Joe and I do, you can also listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Joe on on the on the Bent Podcast. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more stuff. I'm gonna be fishing with Joe

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey coming up here real soon. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you fishing for stripers? You didn't know about that? Heck,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that's cool. I'm not gonna tell people why, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fishing stripers. And Joel sah Mellie sweet the bite uh

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<v Speaker 1>speaking on Instagram Unbelievable engagement a podcast list that wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in that he had the greatest trail camp video I

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<v Speaker 1>ever taken, and I was like, can't be true, send

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<v Speaker 1>it to me. It's the kind of trail camp video

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<v Speaker 1>where he needed to explain it before it because he

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<v Speaker 1>felt it was irresponsible to send it without first explaining

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. It is a trail cam that they

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<v Speaker 1>had set up on a field edge and they caught

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<v Speaker 1>a farmer driving by an attractor and the farmer, without

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<v Speaker 1>stopping the tractor, opens the door and hangs out of

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<v Speaker 1>the tractor to defecate, not even stopping the tractor. Doug

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<v Speaker 1>during I ran us by Doug durn and Doug during

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<v Speaker 1>acts surprised that there's any other way to go, as though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he has his coffee in the morning and

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<v Speaker 1>then goes and gets in a tractor like very common practice.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy. Half million people watched this farmer. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>great comments I had will blur out the farmer's face,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also left it open that I was so

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<v Speaker 1>impressed with the farmer's work ethic that if he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to come work with us, he's hired right now. Any

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<v Speaker 1>man that that bleeds in his job that much, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even stop to you know, him and the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>workers have a lot in common, Yeah, but the differences

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<v Speaker 1>they complain he didn't. Yeah, he looks he might make

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<v Speaker 1>a plaining. He looked fine to me. You don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You you got to talk to talk, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, Rick, he could be he could be uh

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<v Speaker 1>real upset about that he has to keep He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on such a tight schedule. He's Doug also pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that he's pulling him anwer spreader, so it could

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<v Speaker 1>be in his mind he's like, listen, they're paying me

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<v Speaker 1>the spread manure. Why would I right not contribute? Why

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<v Speaker 1>would I go off in the bushes when my whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is I'm out here spreading ner don't long haul

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<v Speaker 1>truckers engage in something similar. Yeah, yeah, when you're driving

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<v Speaker 1>down the road and you see a yeah, have you

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<v Speaker 1>repeated the jug? Yeah? I did it the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>I was stuck on the freeway in l A. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had to do it. Man, I did analogy. I

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<v Speaker 1>swear to God, you know that. Yeah, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Trap. The angle can be tricky because if

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<v Speaker 1>it's tilted to tilted it was. It was nerve racking, terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard moving along. Um I gotta do uh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a few episodes to go. I was complaining about my

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<v Speaker 1>new tooth, my molar complaining bad. And it was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how my dentist listened to the show. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't listen. I'm the one that is my tooth problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and I should have alerted him. I shouldn't have chosen

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<v Speaker 1>that way to let him know that I wasn't happy

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<v Speaker 1>with my tooth. But boy did he make it right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he heard me talking about it had me down. It

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<v Speaker 1>went for me my least favorite tooth and my most

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<v Speaker 1>favorite tooth. You put a little gap in there so

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<v Speaker 1>stuff doesn't took the gap out. Oh it's tight. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Remember how I was telling you that you

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<v Speaker 1>should get your molar replaced because your teeth migrate. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well he put the tooth in and then the other

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<v Speaker 1>tooth like moved away from the tooth, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>made that food trap. Didn't like it, no, but now

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<v Speaker 1>it's my best tooth. I asked my dentist if he

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<v Speaker 1>needs an endorsement. He said he's been around long enough

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<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't that he doesn't need to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and look for clients. But he's a hunting dentist. Kevin,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you his name, Kevin Pierce. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be I'm gonna be a client of his BDS. You

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<v Speaker 1>should go to him. He is the reason I bringing

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<v Speaker 1>this up. He is very concerned about how you won't

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<v Speaker 1>replace your molar. I know. That's why I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go down there and talk to him about that. He

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<v Speaker 1>previewed for me how he's gonna convince you of the

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<v Speaker 1>need to get a new molar. And it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with a doll sheep he shot one time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he's I think that. Hope he's bringing his

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<v Speaker 1>a game. My dentist. Ah, this is funny because it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tie into a thing we're gonna talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, uh about where krim and who's unfortunately not

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<v Speaker 1>with us right now. It's curious why we always have

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<v Speaker 1>to turn everything into a competition who did most of what,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where there seems to be a bragging

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<v Speaker 1>about who's been shot most um. But uh, he's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>double digit mountain goats because he grew up in Alaska. WHOA, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he grew up where like you get out of school

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<v Speaker 1>and go hunt mountain goats for a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the casual. Yeah, he's telling me a great

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<v Speaker 1>story about his old man got mauled by a grizzly

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<v Speaker 1>mauled by a brown bear, and then his old man

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<v Speaker 1>killed the brown bear, and then the other brown bears

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<v Speaker 1>came and ate that brown bear, and the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>was so vicious and heavy and everything that he said,

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<v Speaker 1>it stripped all the blueberry bushes were all broken off

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<v Speaker 1>and gone. And he and his brother were back there

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<v Speaker 1>recently and he said, you can still tell that area

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<v Speaker 1>because the blueberry bushes that grew back as high as

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<v Speaker 1>the blueberry bushes around it. You said, there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>big like death circle around where he's like they're walking

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<v Speaker 1>along and said, that's the tree where dad got mauled.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. Yeah. Cool dentists, man, Yeah, great dentists. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>totally cool. Like man did not just you know publicly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my favorite tooth now. Um. Another thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to touch on real quick. I had my kids got

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<v Speaker 1>this new game. It's called on a scale of one

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<v Speaker 1>to t Rex. And in this game, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hard to explaining, but we're playing the game a lot

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to it's like there's a shade component

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<v Speaker 1>to it. In one of the shrades as you need

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<v Speaker 1>to act like you're driving a car and someone's pursuing you.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were playing the game, and that night I

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<v Speaker 1>had a dream that uh needs to be turned into art,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to dream of a fox riding a

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<v Speaker 1>horse with the rabbits in his a rabbit in his mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>looking over his shoulder as though being pursued. I bring

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<v Speaker 1>that up. You should have him with a chicken in

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<v Speaker 1>its mouth, like the fox in the henhouse. He's being

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<v Speaker 1>pursued with a chicken. I'll bring that up for any

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<v Speaker 1>artists out there. Uh inspiration. Oh yeah, amazing. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing painting. A fox riding a horse would wrap

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<v Speaker 1>in his mouth, looking over his shoulder, as though very

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<v Speaker 1>alarmed about who's pursuing him. Kelsey fan art. Um, he's

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<v Speaker 1>too busy, Robert abernathey's here with us. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>to you. We gotta take care of a few things

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<v Speaker 1>up top. Hang tight, you're actually gonna come into this

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute here. Uh. Tons of listener responses that

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<v Speaker 1>we've had to deal with about because we like to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about flashing and how South's super good at flashing stuff. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing of like pressure water. Like it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you should pressure water. You've met this Robert pressure

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<v Speaker 1>water like flushing raccoons and a pressure washer. Flushing beavers

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<v Speaker 1>with a pressure washing. It's not a really granted like

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<v Speaker 1>some people do it. It is. It is not a

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<v Speaker 1>thing worth recommending to people. Um, I agree. Now, a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine who is a professional hide handler, and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him what his take on it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, here's his sentence. Just imagining beaver fat and

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<v Speaker 1>meat spread over an acre after being sprayed in every

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<v Speaker 1>direction has limited my interest. And it's and he says

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<v Speaker 1>also that it only works when it's they do it

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter and it's frozen outside, that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. But yeah, it's like you take a pressure

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<v Speaker 1>washer and you take a hide that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get tanned or tan yourself and strip it of fat

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<v Speaker 1>and meat, clean down the leather with a pressure washer.

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<v Speaker 1>This dude, Stu. I was watching this because like it

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<v Speaker 1>has a horrible I mean blows the stuff everywhere. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a professional fur handler named stew and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. If you want to learn like great fur

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<v Speaker 1>handling techniques. This dude stuff coon Creek Outdoors. He does

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<v Speaker 1>a big explanation of like why it is complete horseshit.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a video on his channel about it. Right, He's like, here,

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<v Speaker 1>let's set it up. Let's do everything just right and

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<v Speaker 1>set it up. It's just not the same thing. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that throws him in the washing machine too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He does wash all of his hides in the washing

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<v Speaker 1>machine after fleshing or before. He's adamant that it's pre flashing.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa why is that it's easier to dry with fat

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff on it? So when he everything he does.

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<v Speaker 1>When he skins a fox, he skins the fox, no detergent,

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<v Speaker 1>just cold water, washes it in the classic washing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got washing machine in his first chet with no

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<v Speaker 1>lid on I noticed. Puts it down in there and

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<v Speaker 1>washes it, pulls it out, hangs it the dry. But

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<v Speaker 1>the dude is very very attention to detail, very attention

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<v Speaker 1>to detail. If you want to learn, nothing gets you said, no, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I I go to him all the time. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>go to his channel, you know, to learn stuff. What's

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<v Speaker 1>his last name is, Steve Miller? I don't remember. Has

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<v Speaker 1>he been on here? He should be uh? He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Coon Creek Outdoors great stuff? I mean, like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just like seeing how to do stuff, he does an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting job of explaining how to do stuff. Uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about why that's the wrong way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. There's this book and I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>major book report on this book. But Alaska's Wolfman, which

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talking about a lot. In this book, he

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<v Speaker 1>goes to his prospector's house and the prospect of houses

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<v Speaker 1>that he talks about it is the kind of the grossest,

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<v Speaker 1>grimiest place he's ever spent night. But the prospect or

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<v Speaker 1>keeps his plates screwed to the table able top. I read.

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<v Speaker 1>I read the book. Yeah, it's great book. Isn't read

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<v Speaker 1>that book? Really? I remember? You know what you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>My brother Daniel the only people that ever read that book.

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<v Speaker 1>He has dogs, and the guy wonders like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>the plates screwed to the table permanently? And it's because

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<v Speaker 1>he just eats, and then the dogs and get up

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<v Speaker 1>and lick the plates clean, and the plate doesn't move

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<v Speaker 1>around so they can get an extra clean and then

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<v Speaker 1>that's how he does. Is I like that idea, dude?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just saying that that that's deud be like

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<v Speaker 1>people if I if every time me and Seth talked

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<v Speaker 1>about washing dishes, if someone's like, oh, non't no, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to wash dishes. Just screwed the plate to

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<v Speaker 1>a dog. Get a dog. That's like the pressure washing flasher. People,

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<v Speaker 1>but steal plate. I don't know. Yeah, imagine you can't

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<v Speaker 1>you can't drill hole? Yeah no, no, you could take

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<v Speaker 1>specialized equipment. Uh, you're familiar with pressing Pittman. Robert has

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<v Speaker 1>a big turn you man. He was on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still on our listener feedback section here. Robert. He

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<v Speaker 1>was on the show and he was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>he got shot twice. And then Karin, our producer, was curious,

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<v Speaker 1>why did we then get so many emails of people

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that ain't nothing uh based on how many

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<v Speaker 1>times I've been shot? And a guy writes in the

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Zach. He writes in, I've been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>episode two sixty four of the podcast The Guests was

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<v Speaker 1>shot twice, and you all think that's crazy. My father

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<v Speaker 1>has been a guiding outfitter for almost forty years. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been shot thirteen times. Jeez, the question and it has

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<v Speaker 1>had several dog shots. Just find you might all find

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<v Speaker 1>that interesting. Karin asked, why do folks dare I say,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly men in my own experience, seems so often to

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<v Speaker 1>give into the tendency of making something a competition. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that some things might reasonably and legitimately be structured

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<v Speaker 1>as competitive, but why is there an impulse in this

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<v Speaker 1>case to one up Preston regarding the number of times

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<v Speaker 1>he's been shot because it didn't kill him. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>was shot one time he was hunting. What happened? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>As he likes to point out, made it all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through World War Two without getting scratched by a bullet,

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<v Speaker 1>got scratch brother stuff I've never scratched, but shot through

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<v Speaker 1>his rain poncho during the war, shot through rain. Never

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<v Speaker 1>I brought us up, never forgave the Germans. Um got home.

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<v Speaker 1>It was hunting rabbits with his nephew and his nephew.

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<v Speaker 1>They're walking along and his nephew put a load of

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<v Speaker 1>bird shot right into the side of his foot, and

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<v Speaker 1>they kept a secret. Was he aiming at a rabbit?

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<v Speaker 1>Just walking? Just shot? They were walking side by. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it and shot it right into his foot, and

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<v Speaker 1>they kept kept it secret, and he was at his

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<v Speaker 1>and he went and laid on his couch. I came here.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was a grammar, if he was at his

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<v Speaker 1>grandma's or his mom's or something, was laid up on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch, and every time about how lazy he was

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<v Speaker 1>now and everything. But it's because he's been shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the foot. Yeah, but how did he It must not

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<v Speaker 1>have been a serious wind or did no? He would

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<v Speaker 1>he would, he would back when he used to X

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<v Speaker 1>ray your foot, see if you should fit right? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is before my time. He would go and show

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<v Speaker 1>everybody all those shotgun pelts in his foot. Oh wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've explained as much when I when we had I

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<v Speaker 1>ran all of his ashes through a screen. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>get the lead back? Yeah? But I think you know, melted, melted. Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find it. Found all kinds of dental work,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find the lead, says the guys and

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<v Speaker 1>shot thirteen times? Just where have you been? Well? I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but just bringing that up again and saying that, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel it sounds like anybody that wants to brag about

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<v Speaker 1>being shot thirteen times, it's probably their problem. Like they

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<v Speaker 1>got to think about who they're hunting with and where

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<v Speaker 1>they're hunting. He's a guy, he's he's hut with clients. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but you should do a better job. There's

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<v Speaker 1>something he's not doing something. But yeah, so to take

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<v Speaker 1>on Charnce thing about it's not like I think, Krint,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you. It's not bragging. I don't think you're bragging.

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<v Speaker 1>Like generally, like I I'm put in my note here

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<v Speaker 1>at any given moment for creing to see everyone at

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<v Speaker 1>any given moment, most people are trying not to get shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Like generally, among all the other things you're doing, you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying not to get shot. Yeah, and it's there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>only the survivors that wrote in. So it's you're not

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<v Speaker 1>you're not bragging. You're like observing about it. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you were said, like I go to the gym every day,

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<v Speaker 1>look at my big muscles, that's bragging because you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get them and then you got them and you

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<v Speaker 1>alert people. But if you go through life trying not

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<v Speaker 1>to get shot and then you get shot, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a bragging point. It's more of a you're right that

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<v Speaker 1>people make stuff into competition. We had we had a

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<v Speaker 1>bench press competition your day and a pull up competition. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a sense that if you get if you

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<v Speaker 1>get shot and you survive it, that it's a madge

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<v Speaker 1>of honor that you've avoided something that could be far worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So once or twice is like I got struck by lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, look and I made it like somehow miraculous.

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<v Speaker 1>That man is that man bragging the man that says

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<v Speaker 1>I've been struck by lightning. Well, if somebody then goes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been struck, that's pretty cool. But I've been

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<v Speaker 1>struck five times. What it's just called one upsmanship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's related. It's related to attention seeking impulse, like

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<v Speaker 1>this unique fact about me. We might all be similar looking,

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<v Speaker 1>but guess what, guys, I've been shot three times. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were sitting here, one guy got struck by

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<v Speaker 1>lightning and then the other guy got struck five times, legitimately,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very hard for him to sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and not saying I was the same. It's like when

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<v Speaker 1>people go talking about their international travels. This one time

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Papa, New Guinea, and then somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, that's pretty cool, But I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. With the Bush people, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>it's one up and ship, so it is related to uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is gender related to us for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But we all know that I'm has your dad been

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<v Speaker 1>shot Chester? My dad has not been shot, not that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware, we all know. We all now know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>cooler than Chester because my dad was shot. So that

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<v Speaker 1>story was great. So like like that's better than Chester,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that makes me better than Chester, clearly, And that

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<v Speaker 1>impulse actually helped. I think it's like a storytelling them.

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<v Speaker 1>S room girl, my dad's kind of been struck by lightning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, but if somebody were to say I've been

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<v Speaker 1>struck thirteen times by lightning, I would be very curious

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<v Speaker 1>why they keep getting struck by lightning. Well, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a question. Are they counting like if he's running, like

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<v Speaker 1>if he's doing like bird hunting, are they counting incidents

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<v Speaker 1>of him getting shot? Or they counting like the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of babies in his Like, Oh, I'm sure it's instances

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't count. We'll have to have we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have to have currency. If you can get the

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<v Speaker 1>guy to come on the show for a minute, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>ask him how he keeps getting shot, maybe we can

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<v Speaker 1>give him some insight by how to at least reduced

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of shootings you're involved in because one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is eventually going to get him. Wonder what he

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<v Speaker 1>considers shot. Listen, it might be I've been shot if

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<v Speaker 1>you count catching bird shot. Yeah, same like dove hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Just like oh, someone d away from me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't count smacks you. But the reason I bring out,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I bring Oh. Then krit also went on

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<v Speaker 1>to say, then she also has asked, like, why do

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<v Speaker 1>people like this competitive thing I think gets into like

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<v Speaker 1>fishing contests, kyot hunting contests. It's different. Those are completely different.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, talking about whether you've been shot or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not the same thing as going to a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing derby. No, But I also don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a gender thing, because like I'm very on competitive and

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<v Speaker 1>I know women that are extremely competitive, like I have

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<v Speaker 1>friends were very competitive. So I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>like because she's saying it is a gender thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you took she she's saying, in her experience,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to be waited that way, And I would

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<v Speaker 1>think that if you took um a hundred men, hundred

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<v Speaker 1>American man, randomly selected men, and a hundred randomly selected

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<v Speaker 1>American women, and put a question to them like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>raise your hand if you been in a competition in

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<v Speaker 1>the last week. I feel I have a suspicion that

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<v Speaker 1>more male, and it could there's it could it's social,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cultural social. I'm not saying it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like like like a genetic thing, but but I just

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd have more I think the hundred dudes that

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<v Speaker 1>have more hands, shoot, yeah, but it could be like

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<v Speaker 1>it could be like totally socially constructed. I do think

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<v Speaker 1>when people are asked if they're competitive, it's sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>certain circles is a negative thing. Oh no, if you're competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>you care too much about like little things. I could

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<v Speaker 1>I could get real upset if we like we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make baskets into a trash, can make it like

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<v Speaker 1>throw So I would just be like, God, I lost,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get my we played horse today. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't want to lose. Ever, I lose all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but I mean it upsets me. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter how minor. But there's also thing that happen but

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a bullshit thing that happens to women where

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<v Speaker 1>it's more like if a dude is described as competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a competitive you know, it's like that's laudatory. But

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<v Speaker 1>it can also be a thing that you'd say about

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<v Speaker 1>a woman that would be like like not flattery. Right, Well,

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>she's very competitive, and it's like it's bad, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad double standard. We the reason go ahead, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>we amongst our friend group, we have a little shed

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<v Speaker 1>hunting competition going a must be out of the friend group. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like it's yeah, me too, man, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different it's a different friend group, but just like like

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<v Speaker 1>the not the not good friends, not other good friends.

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It's better. But anyway, this is not the points still different. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the most competitive person in this little shed hunt competition

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<v Speaker 1>is Kelsey, my girlfriend. Literally she's out there right now

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<v Speaker 1>for the competition purpose and she loves to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, she wants to win, wants to win. There

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<v Speaker 1>you have, it settles that the reason I bring this up, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>you were you were actually uh um, you expressed some

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<v Speaker 1>opinions about bird shot that people use, and I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>you actually factored in the experience of one being shot

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<v Speaker 1>right in your bird shot selection. All right, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>shot twice, not thirteen times, just twice. But I counted

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<v Speaker 1>as peppering. I mean, if I get peppered and it

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<v Speaker 1>penetrates clothing, you know it didn't. It didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>draw blood. But I got shot turkey hunting, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy shot me with a duplex load back up.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta I gotta get a couple of things straight.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying that you count it being shot if it

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>penetrates your clothes. Yea, if he aims a gun at

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<v Speaker 1>me and pulls the trigger with the intent of causing

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<v Speaker 1>bodily harm. That's what the turkey hunter did. He thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was a turkey. Yeah, I got shot me and

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<v Speaker 1>then a kid shot me pheasant hunting. The pheasant flush

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<v Speaker 1>between us, and I saw the shotgun barrel. I looked

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<v Speaker 1>down the shotgun barrel and hit the dirt and the

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<v Speaker 1>gun went off as I was falling, and it went

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<v Speaker 1>through my hat and luckily didn't didn't draw blood. One

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<v Speaker 1>pellet hit me between the eyes, and if it had

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<v Speaker 1>been a half an inch to either side, it was

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<v Speaker 1>gone through an eye. But it hit me on the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge of the nose, and uh, and two or three

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>pellets in the shoulder or something, but they didn't penetrate

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the skin. But it wasn't getting rained on you. Yeah,

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>that has all the time that it rains down on you.

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<v Speaker 1>But the turkey hunt. And I've been working a bird

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<v Speaker 1>and it quit goblin and just like one did this morning,

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>quick goblin. And so I slipped down in this little

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<v Speaker 1>bottom and I was looking, and there was a clear cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, well, maybe he went out in that

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<v Speaker 1>clear cut. And I was glass and I was looking.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard a clock up on the up on the

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<v Speaker 1>hill and and one of gobble. It was clock was

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<v Speaker 1>just one clock. And hunters never just make one cluck.

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>They're they're like they're just calling calling, it's just one clock.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a firebreak running up the hill, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought, you know, if there's somebody walking that firebreak,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he's but it's eighty yards the top of the hill.

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll see him if if it's a hunter. But I

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>got behind a tree anyway, and thinking about getting shot. Yeah,

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I got behind a tree. But why were you thinking

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>he was gonna shoot you? I'd been shot once and

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to get shot again. And I got shot

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that morning. I don't want to shot a third time.

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And uh but uh but I turned to look out

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.120
<v Speaker 1>into the clear cut and as I turned, I picked

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 1>my leg up and set it on a stump, so

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was standing up straight and I kind

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>of went like that to rest myself and he shot me,

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and uh two pellets hit me in the leg and

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 1>one hit me on the side of the head. If

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't if I hadn't turned my head at that moment,

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>it would hit me in the face. It was only

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>one pellet and I yelled and he came running down

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the hill. He was when that when the game wardings

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 1>investigated the incident, he said, oh, well, it looks like

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you're okay. Well, we'll see you later and he left

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and I called, you know, he's supposed to report an incidents.

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I reported. He was eighty five yards away when we

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 1>found the shell. We found the shell. That that's how

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>we knew it was a duplex shell. And then we

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>went down to the tree I was standing behind. There

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>were twenty five pellets in the tree that I was

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>standing behind, and he was shooting a three and a

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>half inch duplex shell. With two sports and sixes or

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>two sixes seven a half, so I'm not sure. But

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the two it is what penetrated the seam on my pants.

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's the only one that really stung. The sixes,

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't staying it wasn't bad, but the

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>number two penetrated the uh you know, my my camouflage,

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, not just the cloth, but the seam of

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the cloth and went in. And you know number two

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>is number twos. Tell you up. Some states it's legal

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 1>to shoot turkey's buckshot. Some of the states there's no left.

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he shouldn't be anything. Oh dude. And um,

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you know the same thing with rifles. You got people

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>in you can that's a whole debate. But you got

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>people in hunting full camo, no blaze, orange and other

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>people using rifles. How does he how I just don't

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>understand anybody, like, especially after this week where the turkeys

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>come in. They came in within like twenty five yards, right,

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>forty maybe? Yeah, how do you confuse that with a person? Well,

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>he he came over this hill and and and I

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it was early in the morning, you know,

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it was first hour of daylight and he saw that

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>movement of my leg and he he said, what he

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>saw was a gobbler with a red head going to

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>full strut. How God's name, and he shot at eighty

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>five yards, I mean five yards, and uh, I saw

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a gobbler going into full strut for the first time

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>in my life on this trip. Close close, and I

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>would never think, like, oh, that dude's leg definitely looks

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly like that turkey. But that's so that's a question

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that comes up whenever people get shot, is in an

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>offer to you know, deer hunters shoot people like so

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>not only did you think that that man was a deer,

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you thought you were aiming like behind the shoulder. Yeah,

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a good point too. Yeah, and that you, uh

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like had seen what it has on its head and well,

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And it can happen to him more experienced hunner than

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a less experienced hunter, because the hunter is expecting something

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and his brain process is what he says faster, and

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>he processes it wrong, and so he might say a

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>bit of movement or he might be yeah, today, you

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>gotta be careful, we gotta hunt defensively. Today. I saw

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a raccoon, yeah, and I thought it was a hen. Well,

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to your credit, though, there was a gobbler ripping right

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the log. The raccoon was on, Yeah,

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was a turkey like the back

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a fan or a hen slinking over a lot. But

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>did you start firing shots over there? Absolutely no unload

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>on the raccoon and be like, oh, I thought it

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>must have been a turkey. Yes, sorry, guys, And and

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>we we looked at a lot of hunting accident reports

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and one of the highest incidents, and they now call

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>him incidents. They don't call him accidents anymore. You don't

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>have hunting accidents. You have hunting incidents. And that's because

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not an accident until it's been investigated. Until then,

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>it's an incident. And most of them are buddies shooting

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>other buddies. The shooter knows the victim. In most instances,

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>especially turkey hunting, where somebody might separate and say, hey,

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to hunt on this side the road. You

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>hunt on that side the road, and the guy on

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>this side of the road, here's the bird just tearing

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it up on the other side, and he's going, you know,

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no way you can hear that bird. He

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't hear that birth. I know he didn't hear that bird.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And pretty soon he's crossing the road and he's hunting

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the same bird, but his buddies hunting, and that's where accidents,

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that's where accidents happened. You just that's why I like

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>hunting remote areas, like like we were hunting. I like

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>hunting as remote areas possible, or private land. But statistically,

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>in the Southeast, more accidents occur on private land than

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>public land because it's nineties some percent exactly, it's the

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>most common type of land. I know dudes that were

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>this is in Pennsylvania. They were working a bird and

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the bird kind of did the same thing the one

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>did this morning, came close and then like drifted away.

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And there was there's three or four of them together hunting,

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and they got up and we're standing in a group

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>together talking about what had just happened, and someone shot

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>all of them. Yeah, what was he thinking? I have

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>no clue, dude. I feel like there's some bad intent there.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like god to be if you can't just remember

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>he heard he had a bird. You know, you'd have

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>asked the shooter, but he alread a bird gobbling and

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>decided to slip up on it. And the chances that

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just so hard you can't You can do it,

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Sure you can do it, but the odds are you

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>just can't do it. Just you you're supposed to set

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>up and call the animal to eat. Yeah, I mean

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that's that's how it works. But he's just gotta be careful.

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>He's just gotta be super careful, super careful. Do you

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>know what type of hunting has the most incidents? Bird?

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Usually bird? Right swinging and I think it's swinging on

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the bird, swinging on game. Yeah, swinging on game. Most

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you're you're focused on you, and you also get trained

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>doing it where you're shooting through brush and all the

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>time you're focused on the bird, you're not focused on

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>most between you and the bird. Yeah, that's how That's

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>how Dick Cheney Yeah, yeah, shot his body. Yeah, everybody

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>had a good time with that. And I don't I'm

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>not trying to stick off for shooting your body, but

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>uh definitely see how that would happen. Not forgiving it,

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>but I mean just realistically, it's like, but you gotta

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>look at the odds. You gotta look at the statistics.

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the it's much much safer. I mean, the most

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.719
<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing you do when you go deer hunting as

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you get in the car and you drive down the highway,

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know that's the most dangerous thing you're doing

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>because the car w rex. Of course car accidents. And

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>then the second most dangerous as you climb up on

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a tree stand, and the the accident rates with tree

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>stand has gone down dramatically because people wear belts. Now,

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>they wear safety harnesses. I mean when when I was

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>coming along, we didn't wear it. We didn't wear any

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>horses a lot of two tree stands and climb, climb

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>back up and come on hunting. But I got buddies

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that that didn't climb back up, that crawled out of

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the woods, and um, it's it's But I had one

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>buddy it fell out and broke broke a leg and

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>crawled out of the woods and we got to the highway.

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>It was a chain link fence. He's gonna get to

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the highway, except he had a leatherman and he sat

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>there and he cut the chain link fence and crawled

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>through the chain link fence and got on the edge

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of highway and started flashing his blaze orange vest. If

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't had it, if he hadn't had wirecutters. You know,

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>is that guy still alive? Yeah, as far as I know,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.439
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard from him a long time, but yeah,

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>far as I know. Had another guy fell out of

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>a tree stand. He climbed all the way up there

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and and uh, it was one of those climbers and

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>by the time he got to the top, the tree

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>had gotten smaller as they do, as they all do.

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Not not as bad with a long leaf pine, that's right,

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't have taper. And he had gotten up there,

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was kind of hanging down, so

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>he turned around and he reached around the tree and

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>he he opened it up and readjusted it on both sides.

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>He missed, he missed the pens. So when he slid

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it around and put the pins in, they didn't they

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't go through the bar that went around and he

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 1>sat back down and leaned back make sure it was sturdy,

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>went straight over back, didn't have a safety built on,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 1>went over back, landed on his leg, broke his lower

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>egg and they only kept him the only thing kept

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>him from bleeding to death was he had high top

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>snake boots and so his leg immediately swoll up and

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>effectively acted like a tourniquet because it was a it

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>was a compound fractor through the leg. And then he

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>started screaming and he had a buddy of a couple

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of hare yards away. Tree stands are dangerous. I mean,

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>you gotta be careful. We gotta be They got warnings,

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>They got multiple warnings on everyone on them, and you know,

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so so you know, we're talking about shooting as an accident,

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>but there's there's a lot more things out there that

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>are a lot higher risk than going hunting. But that

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful and you shouldn't be

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>defensive and be aware and don't lean your shotgun against

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 1>the side of a car, you know, go go laid

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, or go put it in the crotch

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 1>of a tree or something. Just you gotta think about

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>out All the time, I was looking at these statistics

0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>about injuries hunting related injury ease compared to other sports,

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Like if you call it a sport and other sports,

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you line up all like the sports that

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>we talked about, and think about um hunting ranks and

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>at pool and billiards. Oh for safety. Wow? Well yeah,

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean because you're when you compare it to like football. Yeah,

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>you can start comparing to like skiing, climbing dude, you

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>want to man? Yeah, skiing injuries, dude, everybody I know

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>that skis is always breaking an arm, breaking a collar

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 1>bone something. All right, we're gonna move on. Yeah not no,

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm good with that. Oh you know that guy. You

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>know what what the guy finished for us, our electrical

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>our engineer. What we got a guy that's we're getting

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>We're taking possession of it soon. It's a master light

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the table. And everyone has an

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>interest dial. Oh, you're doing it. You're an engineer, made

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it for us. Every when he has an interest dial. Yeah.

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>But it calculates all input. Oh, it comes up with

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>an average for this. So if someone's talking about something

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that you don't think it's interesting, you don't need to

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>hurt their feelings personally. You just very quietly, Oh, dude,

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna turn your dial. But I don't know, that's

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of psychologically you turn your dial down. No one knows,

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's like, you know, when they used to

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>do the executions with the fire and squad, and they'd

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>give some of the guys a blank, give some of

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>the guys a blank. Right, it's like that, So you

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>don't have ownership over the Yeah, but the someone will

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>sitting there talking and they'll see that light just getting

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>dimmer and dimmer and dimmer and later and be like,

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>oh no, bro, I was cranked up. Yeah I was.

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I was fascinating. I cracked my thing all the way up.

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 1>That MU must spend other people. That probably will happen.

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Must other people didn't like your story, But how are

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>people going to transition out of that once they see

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that light turning color? Better day? Better wrap it up

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>or get you a good part. Listen, I got some stories.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I got some stories I'm gonna tell where I'm gonna

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 1>be like, I know that sucker is gonna dim down. Oh,

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>but you're just gonna test just playing it, yeah, because

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>then I know that it's gonna start getting bright. Yeah,

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>right right right now, it is dim. Interested, No, damn

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>is not interested. Now you're like, oh, yeah, it's it's

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>dim now, buddy, you wait a minute, it's right up.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you could do a thing where it

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>gets to a point it's just like it's too bad.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>And if everybody has the problem is the guy that

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>is making us. It turned into a lot more work

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>than he reckoned with. So if I told him I

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>also wanted to have the capability of shutting that person's

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>mic off, I think I might need to send it

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>back in a year and have work on that. Let's

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 1>not do that to him. Feel is gonna play the

0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>um the Bitcoin Update song the Continuing Adventures of Chester

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the Investor. Come that's it? Come on? Can you sing

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>your little song? Chester? What's on your favorite little m Hmmm?

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>What I want to do? I want to revamp the

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Chester the Investor theme, so it has wh yeppoo ye

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>boo some element of that in there. How's it going, Chester?

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I understand that bitcoin has really just stabilized, and you're

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not very close to the Walleye boat. Uh, it's stabilized.

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>It went up to day to uh sixty one thousand

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>dollars per bitcoin, and immediately some some gambling folks sold

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>and oh some short term urs and it went down

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit. It's sitting at thousand, but it's

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of been that fifty five to six for quite

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>some time, which is fine. Chester put he had a

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>bunch of money in a drawer in his house. Was

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it a sock drawer? It was a nightstand. He was

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>keeping all his money in his nightstand. And just to

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>be clear, I don't it's not there anymore in my house.

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>If anyone, he moved into a different drawer different that

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>in his car, he moved the bitcoin. He took the

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>money out of his nightstand and invested it in cryptocurrency

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>because he knows that it's blown up and just saving

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>for a Walleye boat. Okay, good, Um, I was it

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>was funny today as Chester. Can we talk about your

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>family planning? Yeah, well it's not okay, I can say this,

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>could can still leave this in that I would that

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I could say that. Um, it's not inaccurate to say

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that Chester may someday desire to have a family. That

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 1>is not that's true, okay, And I was observing to Chester,

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 1>if that's the case, he might think about getting this

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>walleye boat first, to which Robert said, he might think

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 1>about getting his hooks first, because money can get tight. Yes, exactly. Hey,

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that's that's why I'm doing a little investing. You know. Uh,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:33.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a guy though, um Alfred. Uh, he's an investor sort.

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>He was saying, this is good news for you Chester.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>He's saying how a lot of asset managers are purchasing

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin to gain exposure in this new

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>asset class. The theory is that bitcoin is the bell

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>weather of an altogether new asset class to which they

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>should have some exposure, for example, one percent of net

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 1>asset value. And he goes on to say this if

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>sovereign central banks by as well. He's saying there's going

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>to be increased meaningful demand for a finite asset. I

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>read that to say Walleye boats, Yes, for sure, but

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>like we're talking about in the last segment, might keep

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>that in there, sell my drift boat here real soon

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and uh, get a walleye boat with that, keep the bitcoin,

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>keep the bitcoin rolling. But what's the opportunity costs of

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>not having that walleye boat? Like, how much is it

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>costing you? He fishes out of sets wallet boat. Well,

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>then it's not costing me anything. Yeah, it is to

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>hang out with my wife because she'd be had a

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>fit in the boat right now. If if we have

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>my boat and we can only fit three people in there. Yeah,

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>but you guys only usually fish together. It's like one

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.919
<v Speaker 1>of you's going out. You want more people in the boat.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>What you're saying you can't bring you're Yeah, Like if

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 1>if Chad a boat, I could bring my gal out

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>and then we have two other people. You can come, Chris, Chris,

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you're out. But I only got my invitation. Uh, guy

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>rode in. Oh, you good on that? Yeah, I'm good

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.919
<v Speaker 1>on it. Oh, I gotta proposal for you. We're gonna

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>start a thing. We're gonna start a thing called the

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 1>me Eater auction House of Oddities for Conservation, and we're

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna sell one of the kind of oddities and raise

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>it for our Land Access Initiative. Love. Yeah, we got

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of items are putting into auction house. I

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 1>guess some things I regret doing other stuff with that.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I wish how to putt in the auction house. But

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 1>we got cool stuff that's going to the auction house.

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 1>What if you knew what amount you needed out of

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>your boat, and we've sold your boat at the auction

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>house knowing that you could peel off. Yeah, every in

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a minimum bid and that's what you need. Yeah,

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>every extra dollar we get goes into our Land Access initiative.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that's a good idea around Chester, kicking around. Uh.

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Guy wrote in about how they had a buck. You know,

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody names bucks. You guys name bucks, Robert, I don't know,

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean we you know, you look at the antlers

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and say, well that one, we got one with a

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 1>broken antler. We got one with five on one side,

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>four one of the other. But we don't. I don't

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>name them. You don't. They don't become like Dave and Bob.

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Now that's a little too personal for something to eat,

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah. This guy listener named Marty wrote in

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they had a buck um in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, an

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>eight point buck. He said it was he was so

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>regular that he would enter their hayfield from the tree

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>line of the neighbor's property every afternoon at the same time,

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>within five minute, and he says they went he was

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>so regular they named him Meta Musel. Then his brother

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>shot at the buck and missed it, and they never

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>saw it again. Man, I never saw it again. Got

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 1>plugged right up. But butch your feedback on tularemia. Also,

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>we found this out. Okay, a lot of feedback on tularemia,

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about two laremia, and Brody mentioned how

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 1>they they'll teach you all the time, and we even

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this in our Wilderness Skills. But when we talk

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>about like the risk of tularemia UM, and we mentioned

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's a common practice. You probably noticed, Robert, what

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>do you do with Steve Rabbit has to arema? You

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>tell me, I don't now. It was like this thing

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>he's supposed to look at the liver. I didn't know that.

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's probably good that you didn't. If there's a

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>thing like you can look at the liver and you're

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>looking for spots on the liver, and that would beative,

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that would be indicative of toulremia. So a guy wrote

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 1>in UM he's a molecular microbiologist, studied toulremia and its

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>pathology on human cells, wrote his master's thesis onto aremia.

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>He went on to say this, as you know, and

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he goes on to plug our own Wilderness Skills book,

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>as you know, and it may also be found a

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>meter's Guide to Wilderness Skills and survival. Well sero glandular

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>forms of the disease can be contracted by humans following

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>interaction with small rodents and laga morphs lagomars. People like

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to say rabbits are rodents, rabs are not rodents, Rabbins

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 1>are lagomorph's. Rabbits and hairs are lagomorphs as well as

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 1>through mechanical and vector transmission by biting arthropods. So that's

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 1>the thing, Like when you're carrying a rabbit around, I

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>feel like we, I don't know what, weren't you guys

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>here and we did this thing. It was about the

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>guy that went to a dude who's selling He was

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>a Tonka truck enthusiast and bought old Tonka truck from

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>a guy on Craigslist, but also bought a rabbit and

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 1>brought the rabbit home. The rabbit scratch his daughter about

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>killed her. I heard about that, but yeah, this guy

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>rolled in to clarify some points about that stuff. So

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.800
<v Speaker 1>if you kill a rabbit in the early season, in

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>the fall, and you're carrying that rabbit around and all

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you realize he's got little mites, little

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 1>fleas biting your arm all the time. That's why, like

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>in the old days, I think still now We were

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>always tot you don't hunt rabbits until you've had a

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>good bunch of freezes. But it's funny because that doesn't

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>work in the south. So do you ever hear anything

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that you don't kill rabbits till some point in the winter.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Hunters that would hang him in a tree. They'd shoot

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 1>him and hanging that tree and swing around the field,

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 1>come back two hours later, pick him up. Because as

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>as the body temperature left, a rabbit flas or jump off,

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and we would and people would tell us, were kids

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>like that's why you like, oh, you don't hunt right,

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you don't hunt rabbit stil January because as the cold

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>weather comes, it kills off the parasite load and there's less.

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm jumping on your arm and biting you so you

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>can get to laremia from cutting your hand and you

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>just get the bacteria in your hand, or the little

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 1>bug can jump and get you and bite you and

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.239
<v Speaker 1>that can give you to aremi. He also points out,

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 1>in addition, inhalation of Francis Sella to the to Lorenus

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to Lawrensis, Francis Cella to Lawrensis. He's given us the

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Linnaean name for this species, it's very problematic. Only a

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>few bacterium need to cause the pulmonary disease. And he

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>mentions that this is what happened. Remember, I was talking

0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>about the person that hit a rabble of the lawnmower

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that was in Martha's vineyard. On Martha's vineyard, someone hit

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a dried out rabbit with a lawnmower inhaled and then

0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>got to lorimi that way inhaled the bacteria and how

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 1>that was deadly for that person, right, the one I'm

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the one they're talking about, but

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the one I'm thinking of, the person died from it.

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 1>How deadly is it if you get a cut or

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>bit by one of the treatable treatable you don't want

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 1>your lungs. Goes on to say this, rabbits are famous

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:44.399
<v Speaker 1>for uh, not showing sickness, not demonstrating sickness. Then also,

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just dying. And he was saying, if you are

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:52.359
<v Speaker 1>going around looking for tolremia by a cursory glance at

0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the liver, it's not a great idea to loremi infected

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>rabbits may this may um have necrotic tissue on the liver.

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Spleen or lymph nodes. But this would be in late

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 1>stage disease and more than likely wouldn't be the indicator

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that a rabbit was sick and shouldn't be eaten or

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>better yet, even handled, Meaning it's only at the last

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>minute that that shows up. In this country. One point

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>one percent of Laga morphs in the northern hemisphere have toularemia.

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty that's pretty high. I don't think so. Yeah,

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>every hundred rabbit you clean, be careful, he suggests, Um

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the first nine, it's only gonna be the last YEA.

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:50.240
<v Speaker 1>What he recommends here, He's like, at a minimum, handling

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 1>rabbits late light, latex or nitrile gloves. If you want

0:50:55.600 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to go the next layer up, get a face mask. Oh,

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>wear a mask. Here's some of your equipment to take

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>your leftover COVID mass and pop put it on your face.

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that, but he's saying, like, I, at a minimum,

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>wear gloves and long sleeves and hang your rabbits in

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the tree. Did they care the plague do? I don't know,

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>but everything does. Yeah, but I know rodents, I've never

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.879
<v Speaker 1>heard of rabbits. I know that a couple, a young

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>couple in Mongolia Um contracted plague from mormots eating marmot liver.

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:41.439
<v Speaker 1>They were extracting marmot liver. I believe it's a popular dish.

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Should feel like the really, the guy wrote in the

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>guy we had on the squirrel doctor. We had on

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>a squirrel doctor um who researched the squirrels. And he's

0:51:55.160 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about the very impressive how squirrel nuts sacks swell

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and shrink. You know what this yea like. Some days

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you look at squirrels like, oh my gosh, he can't

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 1>bring his legs together, and other times they don't and

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 1>as it's breeding season comes, it swells. This guy rolled

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>in tok about how that's not uncommon. There's a monkey,

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:23.759
<v Speaker 1>a vervet monkey that when it's ready to breed, not

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 1>only do they swell, they turned a brilliant blue. Whoa,

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>he was so impressed by the blue. He's going to

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 1>his local hardware store and have him do a color match.

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 1>He says he's gonna paint a wall in his house

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>with it. So what is he doing and bringing in

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a picture of the like he wants to paint. He

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>wants monkeyball blue, he says, just a brilliant I want

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:52.879
<v Speaker 1>to see the picture that he's bringing into the ace

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.359
<v Speaker 1>hardware wherever he's going, because if it's a tight shot,

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. But if it's like a wide where

0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.439
<v Speaker 1>you see the monkey and everything, like, give me that. Yeah,

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>let me quiz you on something. Let's say you're gonna

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>transition as I am about to between that story and

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 1>albino porcupines, what would you go with? Are you gonna

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>give me an option? All right? There? There you go, Oh,

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 1>that is a beautiful blood be like, you know what,

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible. I'd be like, you know what doesn't have

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a blue scroll? It is a white porcupine? Yeah, something

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>like that. Speaking of colors, that's what Krane thought would

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>be good. M Krane went with speaking of colors and

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>presenting the material that we've pulled together here uh albino porcupines.

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>We talked about an albino porcupine on the show that

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a guy got a road found a road kill albino porcupine,

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and supposedly cabella Is offered him what sixty dollars sixty

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 1>dollars for his albino porcupine. Apparently everybody every time Dick

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and Harry on the planet's got an albino porcupine. We

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:05.280
<v Speaker 1>heard from all kinds of them. Carl in Northern Minnesota

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>shot one while hunting, and he hasn't mounted. He hasn't mounted,

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>almost nibbling on moose antlers. Hilarious. He also has two

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 1>real nice walle i mounted there. Yeah, so the albino

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:26.280
<v Speaker 1>porcupines are all over the damn place. Really, that's what holy?

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's a good percentage of them. That's incredible.

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Did the guy steted for sixty before they did all

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that research? What God is talking about? It was the

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>fact that uh he I. I find that it's like

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.319
<v Speaker 1>a thing people say a lot, is that they were

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>offered exorbitant amounts of money for things by places like Capella's.

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>But I do know some cases where some people have

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:59.359
<v Speaker 1>done some great transactions. Um, and we got talking about

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 1>is that really true? Because the first guy that had

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>an elpino porcupine, his old man turned down an offer

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:09.439
<v Speaker 1>from Cabella's of sixty grand and then that let me believe,

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>like really really for road kills porcupine. But he could

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 1>be independent, independently wealthy. That's probably why they just got

0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 1>bought by bass Pro because they're spending that much money

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 1>freaking it's like, good god man, Yeah, the diligence process.

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 1>So I haven't all that money, but you should have

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 1>seen the nuts on this squirrel. You just you dug

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:47.319
<v Speaker 1>deep too. Yeah, we've paid half a meal for that one.

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh worth it? Barwood is Robert. I'm learning all sorts

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of No, we're gonna get too things. We're gonna get

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.920
<v Speaker 1>something coming up soon that you'll be able to play on.

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>So we uh oh oh, no, oh no, I want

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about this one. First. I was

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 1>saying on the show, I don't know why I had

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the idea, Robert, do you remember the Kiss song Beth, Beth,

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I hear you're calling. I don't remember. I went into

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>heavy metal. Well, it's symphonic for starters if it's kiss.

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:24.439
<v Speaker 1>I never listened to Kiss, so I don't remember the song. Yeah,

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do I wanted to do a rewrite.

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to do. I wanted to do

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a rewrite that was instead of Beth, I hear you calling,

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:34.800
<v Speaker 1>it was Seth, I hear you calling, And it was

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a turkey hunting song and a lot of

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:46.359
<v Speaker 1>guys wrote in and wrote the song. So Hayden one

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of our audio guys, and and Cal and then uh

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Fill the engineer. They took the best lines from the

0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>versions that came in and they have done Seth. I

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:05.239
<v Speaker 1>hear you're calling, which will Phil. We'll share with you then.

0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I think in the end what we'll do is, instead

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of the songs we normally use at the end of

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the show, if you want to hear the whole Seth,

0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I hear you calling, then you want to hear a

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit of it. You're here here, let me hear

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you with it. You'll recognize it. Oh it's good, Setha,

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 1>here you call it. But we can't hunt birds at night.

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>The flip flop flesh shoes. Eager to use that turkey

0:57:52.560 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 1>con just right. Just a few hours and we leave Rouse.

0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I hear them call him, Seth. What can

0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I do? What can I do? Ut? Cal normally only Um,

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:25.880
<v Speaker 1>not only Cal things a lot of Neil diamond. So

0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I was excited to see that Cal has um expanded. Yeah,

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:35.640
<v Speaker 1>has expanded. A guy wrote in to say this. He says, Uh,

0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 1>we're always talking about pot calls and strikers getting gunked. Up,

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 1>but we never talked about how to fix the problem.

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>He's a chemist, that's what he says. As the credentials

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 1>are and he says, as a chemist, here's my tip. Soaker,

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 1>section of clean paper, toweling pure non dyed acetone. Rub

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>it on the striker service or pot surface, making sure

0:58:56.680 --> 0:59:00.240
<v Speaker 1>to wet it well with the acetone, use mild four worse.

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Then dry it with a fan or your cars a

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 1>c so that it's dry. Air. Repeat two more times.

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 1>This will remove the grime. Karin took this piece of

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>feedback to Jason Phelps. Phelps Game Calls. He was not

0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>familiar with this hot tip. He tried it. He said

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it works, but I don't know how much better it

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 1>works than just wiping it with a rag. Uh. Okay,

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 1>here's not here's a rule thing. Do we want to clarify.

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:39.000
<v Speaker 1>We talked about a recent thing you're in in in

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 1>there are rules coming out again, like like laws saying

0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that you can't do the turkey hunting strategy of fanning

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.640
<v Speaker 1>or reaping. And we were talking about, well, how do

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you explain like how what is the legal ease or

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>what is the verbiage? Well, South Carolina, this was the

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 1>first year where it was illegal to use a tail

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<v Speaker 1>fan on public land. Yeah, and I was just curious, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they describe what's legal? It's what I have

1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:11.480
<v Speaker 1>right here. This this is one from South Carolina where

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<v Speaker 1>we're sitting right now. Um. Fanning slash reaping. So fanning

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<v Speaker 1>or reaping is defined as hunting or stalking wild turkeys

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<v Speaker 1>while holding or using for hunter concealment any of the

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<v Speaker 1>following items. A tail fan, a partial or full decoy

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<v Speaker 1>with a tail fan, or a tail fan mounted to

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<v Speaker 1>a firearm. Tail fans include those made of real or

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic feathers, or an image or likeness of a tail

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<v Speaker 1>fan applied to any material. This regulation does not prohibit

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<v Speaker 1>the use of mail decoys or decoys with tail fans

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<v Speaker 1>that are placed away from a hunter. So pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>they did a good job of explaining it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought they did, because I mean, if you're hunting on

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<v Speaker 1>public land, you don't. You don't have a tail fan

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<v Speaker 1>with you, period, you just don't. But if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>on private land, you're fine. Legally, you're fine. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you know? Is it more like they're

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<v Speaker 1>heading off trouble or is there already been trouble. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not as up on that subject as I was ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago when I was with the National Wild Turkey Federation,

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<v Speaker 1>But I have not hurt any incidents where the there

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<v Speaker 1>was a problem with somebody being shot because they were

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<v Speaker 1>hunting with a tail fan. There. We we've had some

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<v Speaker 1>come in. I don't know, but I hadn't heard with

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<v Speaker 1>this state. But yeah, there's been a number of cases. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So so that's that's the reasoning. I know when this

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<v Speaker 1>started coming up eight years ago when I was with

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<v Speaker 1>the Turkey Federation, there was debates, that was discussion among

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<v Speaker 1>the biologists about this, and then I went to work

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<v Speaker 1>for the long Leaf Alients and kind of got away

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<v Speaker 1>from the hunter access, hunter incident, hunter accidents um on

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<v Speaker 1>public land. I mean it, you know, it's another it's

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<v Speaker 1>another way to get shot. We're talking about geting shop before.

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<v Speaker 1>But the tail fans are um. I would I would

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<v Speaker 1>never use it where there's rifles available. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>ever see those ones where it's a hat. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they make it that it's a tail fan mounted to

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<v Speaker 1>your hat. Let's put some deer owlers up there for

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<v Speaker 1>the fall. I mean, that's that's not smart. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta be careful. I don't know, but like I've viewed,

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<v Speaker 1>I've used that for sure. I've crawled up on turkeys

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<v Speaker 1>and start the shotgun barrel out between the feathers of

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<v Speaker 1>the fan trigger. You gotta be careful where you're using

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<v Speaker 1>it and how are you using it, Like anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's been a lot of decoy shot that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a tail fan. You just have to you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be careful. You gotta be careful. You gotta be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta be careful. How you put your boot up

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<v Speaker 1>on a stump you get shot, don't put it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't put it up on a stump like a turkey

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<v Speaker 1>fan and out. Uh, Robert, you know what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you? What I wanted you to tell me, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like I told this story before and

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<v Speaker 1>messed it up. But can you share with me the

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<v Speaker 1>story about the guy in Mexico? Yeah, that when they

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<v Speaker 1>were arranging to get Gould's tell that story. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>we were trapping goold turkeys in Mexico when I was

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<v Speaker 1>with the Turkey Federation. We were working with Arizona gamed

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<v Speaker 1>Fish and US Fish and Wildlife Service APIs Animal Animal

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<v Speaker 1>Plant Health Inspection Service because we were bringing poultry across

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<v Speaker 1>an international border into Arizona, and we were down in

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<v Speaker 1>the Sierramadre trapping turkeys, and we were working with a

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<v Speaker 1>local um guide who knew all the landowners. And the

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<v Speaker 1>deal we had worked out with him is for every

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<v Speaker 1>landowner that lets us trap a turkey on their property,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll give him a hundred bucks for that turkey, because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole problem of getting the google s. While turkeys

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're not very many in Arizona, New Mexico, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where they were found down in the Sky Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were down there and one of the other

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<v Speaker 1>one of the other biologist, Bobby madre Um I was

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<v Speaker 1>down there the week before I was, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>setting stuff up and then I was coming down. But

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<v Speaker 1>we had one rancher that they had contracted with. Were

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<v Speaker 1>you guys flying in and out? Both we were driving

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<v Speaker 1>and we were flying out. How are you moving the turkeys? Both?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes driving, sometimes flying? When I was down there work

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<v Speaker 1>and we flew I can't remember it was thirty birds,

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<v Speaker 1>but we flew about thirty birds across the border in

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<v Speaker 1>small aircraft and we had a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>challenge with that too. That's another story, but that one next. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>remind me about that small aircraft a crossing the international

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<v Speaker 1>border from Mexico. And uh so, so this rancher every

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<v Speaker 1>day for you know, a couple of months. Every so

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<v Speaker 1>if he would walk up to his property six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven miles out of the little the little town of Yaka,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd walked up there with two five gallon buckets of

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<v Speaker 1>corn and bait the turkeys where we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>trap him. And we went up there and man, his

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<v Speaker 1>place was wrapped up with turkeys. We caught thirty six turkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when Bobby started paying the guy thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars in US one all bills, thirty six hundred bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>he started crying. It was it was like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's too much, it's way too much. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>he was speaking Spanish that we didn't understand. We were

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<v Speaker 1>speaking English, and we had a translator, and something's getting

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the translation. And finally we figured out that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been working for us for two months debate

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<v Speaker 1>those turkeys so that we could go trap him with

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation of getting a hundred dollars for trapping on

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<v Speaker 1>his property, and we were giving him a hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a bird, and we taught thirty six turkeys. He got

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six when he realized that, he started crying, and

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<v Speaker 1>we found out later that that was enough to go

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<v Speaker 1>buy enough cattle to start his cattle herd on this

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<v Speaker 1>high mountain ranch in this here Madres. That's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little bit of money for wildlife and and

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<v Speaker 1>the poaching of turkeys during that time period in that

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<v Speaker 1>town and in that surrounding mountain range when we were

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<v Speaker 1>in there trapping ended nobody was selling turkeys in the

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<v Speaker 1>market for three dollars but that but when we were

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<v Speaker 1>flying them out. So we had another biologist in the

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<v Speaker 1>US that was meeting the plane and we were we were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talking on cell phones, saying, okay, the planes

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<v Speaker 1>planes getting ready to come in, and and the border

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<v Speaker 1>patrol is sitting there watching on their radar and said,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see a plane. We'll see a plane. And the

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<v Speaker 1>guys saying, no, we're crossing the border right now, we're

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<v Speaker 1>coming in. We're coming in. And and apparently the pilot

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<v Speaker 1>we had hired to cross the border didn't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to fly above a hundred feet and so when he

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<v Speaker 1>crossed the border, he came in under radar and and

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<v Speaker 1>then came in and landed, and the plane had to

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<v Speaker 1>land in a little circle. They directed, okay, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>land over there. And then border patrol comes up with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the sniffer dogs and everything, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>a Labrador Treever that was a sniffer dog, and they

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<v Speaker 1>tell us Bobby told the story that sniffer dog went

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<v Speaker 1>berserk on that plane. Turkey says he was full of turkeys,

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<v Speaker 1>not cocaine, not marijuana, not any kind of drugs. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they opened the door, there was a breast feather

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<v Speaker 1>that flew out of the door, because you know the turkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>It flew out of the door, and that dog caught

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<v Speaker 1>it on his nose and just sucked it right against

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<v Speaker 1>it is the best smell he'd ever had. And then

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<v Speaker 1>they let us go. Uh, there's are two things I

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<v Speaker 1>want you explained. You've been explaining to me down here.

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<v Speaker 1>Is um explain the dog hunt thing around here for

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<v Speaker 1>deer on the whole thing about the Department Energy and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, real quick, however long you want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend on it. Well, this is fascinating, man, I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea this went on. So dog hunting in south

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<v Speaker 1>is traditional, it's been around that part. But we go on.

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<v Speaker 1>So when um, the deer population start to start to

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<v Speaker 1>increase on Savanna riversite, one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 1>did is they had dog hunts and still hunts. But

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<v Speaker 1>but you gotta explain what the site is. Oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanner Risites two thousand acre UM Federal facility Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Energy that was administered by the U. S Stomic Energy Commission,

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<v Speaker 1>and so since the nineteen fifties it was making radioactive

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<v Speaker 1>material for the use on atomic weapons. And they moved,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a crazy story man, in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>how to the Cold War, Like there's no debating whether

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<v Speaker 1>this is important business or not. Moved declared this area

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<v Speaker 1>that that's what this is for, and moved twenty thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just like, your farm is not here anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 1>now over there, your town, We're moving your town over

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<v Speaker 1>to their right. New Ellington, Dunbarton, Patterson Mill, all these

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<v Speaker 1>little towns in the nineteen fifties. I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember if it was two years or three years

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<v Speaker 1>to get out, but they were condemned and that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was part of the deal. That's how they I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all this isn't. This isn't the West where

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<v Speaker 1>you got a lot of national forests and you got

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<v Speaker 1>you got BLM land, you got federal land. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>private land. And they wanted two hundred thousand acres, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically a circle so you could put the reactors in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of it. So you had a five mile buffer.

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<v Speaker 1>And they condemned the property, took the property and paid

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<v Speaker 1>the people. You know. But it's like, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>your house moved, will move of it. If it's here,

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<v Speaker 1>we're burning it, tearing it down, burning cemeteries. If they

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<v Speaker 1>can find a descendant who's alive, will dig up the

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<v Speaker 1>bodies and move it. If not, it stays. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a little out And then hired, then hired

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five people had to come in and build the

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<v Speaker 1>reactors Billy reactors at the time. And then they had

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to plant all the agricultural fields. So

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<v Speaker 1>the ventilation on the reactors was, as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was forced air ventilation and you couldn't have dust,

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<v Speaker 1>and so all these agricultural fields all the pine trees

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<v Speaker 1>on Savannar River site. I don't right now, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>too long. I don't remember how many tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of acres of agricultural fields on the site, and the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Far Service was brought into plant the fields, plant all

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, and for three years they planted trees. They

1:10:57.040 --> 1:11:00.679
<v Speaker 1>planted slash lolli and long leaf pine to get something

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<v Speaker 1>growing on that land so they wouldn't have dust storms

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<v Speaker 1>and because there were no longer any crops on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the largest tree plant in operation in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States at that time. It took all the

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<v Speaker 1>trees from the Southeast for either two or three years

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<v Speaker 1>and directed him to the Spinnery River site to plant

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a hundred thousand acres. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a nuts story, man, Yeah, it's it's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting site. And you were talking about the deer hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're like, it's like the weirdest sort of rewilding

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<v Speaker 1>process and the and the deer um. I had read

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<v Speaker 1>a wildlife survey from the from nine fifty two UM

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<v Speaker 1>and there were not very many deer. I remember the turkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>They estimated there were twelve turkeys on the property two acres.

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<v Speaker 1>There weren't hardly any deer, but with this rewilding, the

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<v Speaker 1>deer populations began to increase. Eventually had deer car collisions,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was the justification to start hunting the site.

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<v Speaker 1>And they had still hunting and dog hunting, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the still hunting was outlawed in I came was outlawed

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, sometime in the nineteen eighties, and they

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<v Speaker 1>went to just dog hunts, and you would get drawn

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<v Speaker 1>for a dog hunt as a standard or you would

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<v Speaker 1>be a dog man that would bring a helper and

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<v Speaker 1>six dogs and then you would you would have a

1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:30.800
<v Speaker 1>dog hunt. But they put the standards out a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>standards a day, nine hundred feet apart and turn the

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<v Speaker 1>dogs loose. Yeah, it's crazy because you told me my

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<v Speaker 1>dial was red hot. But then you told me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more about this that you're not telling everybody. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell everybody all the parts. Which what

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<v Speaker 1>am I leaving out? That they take the hunters like

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<v Speaker 1>you apply to go hunt. Oh yeah, yeah, so so

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<v Speaker 1>now ten person minivan used to be school buses right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be school buses or or you know

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<v Speaker 1>big buses and now and now it's small buses. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you ten person vans and you drop them

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<v Speaker 1>out nine feet apart. And then you got a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that runs around, picks up a dead deer and carries

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<v Speaker 1>him over and designated skinner, got a designated gutter and

1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm skinning he got them, puts him in a refrigerator

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<v Speaker 1>truck so the meat dunge, boil and at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, and then you got dog men. Yeah, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>but does anybody know each other? Like how does this work? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're randomly you're randomly distributed. Now that now the

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<v Speaker 1>look of the draw about where they make you get

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<v Speaker 1>out of the van, so you could get paired with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody everybody has Yeah, yeahs are illegal his buckshot only

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<v Speaker 1>the dog men have generally been doing this for years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years because once once they know they

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<v Speaker 1>have a highly qualified hunter with good dogs, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as he wants the hunt, he comes. If somebody drops

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<v Speaker 1>out with twenty five helpers, six dogs of peace, all

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<v Speaker 1>turned loose, and and then you got all those dudes

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<v Speaker 1>in the vans distributed around with buckshot to get everything

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<v Speaker 1>stirred up. Dude, what was the thoughts, amazing hunt to

1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:19.519
<v Speaker 1>get rid of the still hunting. Hunting. They just don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it doesn't make a good story. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a good story. The guy got killed, so yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>got killed. So they were they were, they had to

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<v Speaker 1>still they had still hunting. And as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>he went in before daylight and climbed up in the

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<v Speaker 1>tree stand, had had a climber, had some country stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was either I think it was in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember when it was in the eighties. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>as he was sitting his stand before daylight, there were

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<v Speaker 1>other hunters coming into the woods and he could see flashlights,

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<v Speaker 1>he could see people climbing the tree stand and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not a still hunt, that's an ambush. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's climbing. Yeah, hunting out of a tree. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>down here they call it still hunt. Really, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what still hunting is down here? Yeah, they call

1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it still hunt. You know what still hunting is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're slipping through the woods, you're walking still huntings where

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<v Speaker 1>he sits still, And you don't sit still when you're

1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:18.960
<v Speaker 1>still hunting, right, when you're still hunting, you move right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting still, that's ambush hunt. Well, if you're still

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<v Speaker 1>hunting in the south, then you move, you fall out

1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of a trick. Then you gotta called Doug Durn. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta called Doug during and asked him what the

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<v Speaker 1>mooch is. It's yeah, it's it's it's sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>combo of still hunting and stand hunting. It's a move.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to come over the Hall of their words

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<v Speaker 1>to describe this method. But this guy, this guy decidurday,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to get it. And they suspect this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they don't know what for a fact, but

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<v Speaker 1>they suspect it because right at sunrise he climbed out

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<v Speaker 1>of his tree, started to walk out, and he got

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<v Speaker 1>He got shot and he got He was carrying a

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<v Speaker 1>stand on his back. He got shot in the back

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<v Speaker 1>and he turned around the second shot, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it shot once. He got shot twice and he got killed.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the end of still hunting on on

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<v Speaker 1>the Savaner side, and they went to dog hunting only

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<v Speaker 1>after that. Let me tell you some more interesting stuff, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>that Robert shared with me earlier. Got my dial. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't budge when they drop you off if you get

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<v Speaker 1>a hit and gotta track it, they come track it

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<v Speaker 1>for you, or a dog man will come. Yeah. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so lay this out for me. They dropped the hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. They dropped the hunters off and it

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<v Speaker 1>designated spot nine ft apart from each other. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not move now, that don't move. They stay right there

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're waiting for the dog to drive the

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<v Speaker 1>deer to Is it like a deer drive. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>deer drives. I mean, but that's traditional. That's that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a different than all the southern States and Ontario, Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Also they hunt with dogs. So they just pushed the deer.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing. But this is a whole. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>the organization to this and I'm not dogging on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would do it right now if I couldn't. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's extremely effective. And that was why they did it,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, a still hunter, the guy sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>a tree stand the average success in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>You put a hundred still hunters in the woods, tenem,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna kill You put a hundred hunters in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods with dogs on these hunts, you're gonna kill fifty deer.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was before Kayat so the is a crazy story.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is where this story starts to make its

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<v Speaker 1>own gravy here. Yeah, so that was before the hunts

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties and the early nineties killed a bout

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand deer on the Savanna River out of two acres,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the numbers started dropping about I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>when late nineties. John Kilgo would not and um, the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties, we're gonna get this guy on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can preview all this. Yeah, so the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>started dropping and everybody says, you know, why why are

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<v Speaker 1>we not killing the bucks. Well, on one of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the hunts, the scanner was talking to buy

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<v Speaker 1>oologists and he's going, he said, you know, I'm killing

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<v Speaker 1>six month old deer this year this fall. You know,

1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:08.400
<v Speaker 1>dear born in spring fall, there's six months old. We

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<v Speaker 1>have killed six month old deer this year or today.

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<v Speaker 1>And they killed about a hundred deer a day. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, no, that's crazy about what you kill is

1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:20.479
<v Speaker 1>younger the gear, it's the this is six month old deer.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. They went back and looked at the data

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like we've killed two and then went back

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<v Speaker 1>to the weekend before to see how many they killed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was two or three or four. There were

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<v Speaker 1>no funds, No funds were being were no funds were

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<v Speaker 1>entering the population. In the follow of the year, they

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<v Speaker 1>were gone. They were gone by the fall of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's when US four Service came along and

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<v Speaker 1>started doing some radio telemetry work by putting intry uter

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<v Speaker 1>and devices into the uterus of the does and which

1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:50.479
<v Speaker 1>he gave birth. The fond would come out and the

1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:54.320
<v Speaker 1>transmitter would come out and go into mortality mode. So

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<v Speaker 1>when that transmitter quit moving with the movement of the dough,

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<v Speaker 1>it would stop and after an hour of no movement

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<v Speaker 1>or two hours of no movement, it would start ticking

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<v Speaker 1>and they would go in. And you know, the fawns

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<v Speaker 1>are just tiny at that time. You catch them, put

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<v Speaker 1>a put a collar on. They dispatch out like grand

1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:16.479
<v Speaker 1>students field or something to go scour the woods. I

1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't know they could even do that. Oh yeah, we

1:19:19.080 --> 1:19:21.479
<v Speaker 1>saw them. We find him hunting Morrel's No then, really

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<v Speaker 1>like the no no, no, sorry fawns. Yeah, yeah, like

1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:29.720
<v Speaker 1>brand brand new funds. Yeah, you can reach that and

1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:31.559
<v Speaker 1>pick them up. I mean, that's why you're not supposed

1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.240
<v Speaker 1>to because you can't. They they're just I mean, only

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<v Speaker 1>this big. People think you're crazy when you say they're

1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:39.479
<v Speaker 1>they're literally you know, the size of a ham there,

1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:43.000
<v Speaker 1>smaller than my dad's buddy had a fish bowl, uh

1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>his body, Eugene Grots had this fish bowl. In this

1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>fish bowl he had was full of from alde hide

1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and had two white tail fawns curled up in a

1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:56.800
<v Speaker 1>fish bowl sitting on the counter as a decoration, had

1:19:56.840 --> 1:19:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like a cap on it. Yeah, but in his house.

1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.960
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. Man. We just when we were kids that

1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:09.000
<v Speaker 1>we stare at that thing NonStop. Wow, it's gorgeous, beautifully done.

1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:23.160
<v Speaker 1>So the first year, the first year they put radio

1:20:23.280 --> 1:20:27.320
<v Speaker 1>collars on, it was about ten years ago. So i'm

1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm I don't have all the date on the tip

1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of my tongue, but my memory tells me that they

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<v Speaker 1>put radio collars on seventeen fawns and within two weeks,

1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:40.360
<v Speaker 1>fifteen of them are dead. And well, back up, maybe

1:20:40.400 --> 1:20:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about that fish bowl. So I'll make

1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:48.439
<v Speaker 1>sure everybody's the listeners are getting this. So you covered

1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:53.799
<v Speaker 1>this right, that the sensor passes out, goes into more clicks.

1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Then you go out and hunt around and find the fawn,

1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>put a radio collar on, like a full on collar, yeah,

1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>on the neck, put that collar on it, and then

1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>wait for that to have a mortality signal. Right, and

1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:06.919
<v Speaker 1>then when that one has mortality, you go in determine

1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:10.640
<v Speaker 1>why the fawn died. And within two weeks, and you know,

1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>John may come on and say, now he's got it

1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:16.280
<v Speaker 1>all wrong. It was within three weeks, or I remember

1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:20.599
<v Speaker 1>it being within two weeks, the fifteen of the seventeen

1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:24.080
<v Speaker 1>fauns were dead, and fourteen do by Coats and one

1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>by Bob Kat, which we never had Coats here in

1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.519
<v Speaker 1>the in the eighties. They didn't show up to the nineties.

1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.320
<v Speaker 1>So this is a new predator in a new system,

1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden this is happening to the

1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:43.960
<v Speaker 1>fun production. Well, you couldn't you couldn't kill dose. If

1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you had that kind of depredation on your on your

1:21:46.920 --> 1:21:50.599
<v Speaker 1>dare population, there's there's you wouldn't have it. You wouldn't

1:21:50.600 --> 1:21:54.719
<v Speaker 1>have any deer. And so some of the hunt clubs started,

1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, maybe we don't need to kill as

1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>many does, or maybe we don't need to do this

1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:00.799
<v Speaker 1>and and or do win need to bring in a coyote,

1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:02.360
<v Speaker 1>trapper or what do we what do we need to do?

1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:04.880
<v Speaker 1>What do we need to do? And the research I

1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:08.440
<v Speaker 1>haven't kept up with the research, but the research has continued.

1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:12.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's not true all over the South. It's weird,

1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's in it's in some areas. Coyotes have become extremely

1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:20.599
<v Speaker 1>effective predators on fonds, extremely effective, and that is new

1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to the South because we did not have cotes in

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<v Speaker 1>the South. The big predator in the South was red wolves.

1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.040
<v Speaker 1>They got wiped out a long time ago, except for

1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:33.400
<v Speaker 1>coastal Louisiana coastal Texas, and that was maybe in the

1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.960
<v Speaker 1>seventies that red wolves were all captured and put into

1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:40.479
<v Speaker 1>a captive breeding program to keep them from going extinct,

1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and then re released on Bull's Island, South Carolina and

1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:48.200
<v Speaker 1>on Alligator River National Wilife Refuge in eastern North Carolina.

1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:52.839
<v Speaker 1>So the big mega predator in the East disappeared hundreds

1:22:52.840 --> 1:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>of years ago and they're back. I mean, we can

1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:01.280
<v Speaker 1>my SunShot one ky weight forty four pounds. I don't

1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.040
<v Speaker 1>know if that's a big cut or a little cute,

1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:07.040
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed big to me. Um, they had big

1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:11.080
<v Speaker 1>old choppers, but that was you know, that's that's what

1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:14.719
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was just interesting. Here was this issue

1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that came up because the skinner on a hunt said, hey,

1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>there's something going on here. The biology started talking with

1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:23.400
<v Speaker 1>him and started looking at him. It raised a question.

1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>They went out and did research, came up with some

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>preliminary answers. But as most of your viewers are gonna say,

1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it was only seventeen deer. That's the stample size is

1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:37.439
<v Speaker 1>too small. And that's true. But it raised a question,

1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and then they started doing more research, more research and

1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:43.640
<v Speaker 1>more research, and so it's been going on about ten

1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>years now. And the hunt began as a management tool

1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:48.559
<v Speaker 1>because there was too many deer running around. Right, they're

1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:51.360
<v Speaker 1>not killing a thousand deer now. But now everybody likes

1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the process. Yeah, so they want they want. Yeah, it's

1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not going away. I mean, it's it's a

1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a public hunt. If you want to if you

1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:04.360
<v Speaker 1>want to hunt, you put in. If you get drawn,

1:24:04.400 --> 1:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>you hunt. Is it still a nuclear facility now? Uh,

1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>it is still nuclear facility and it's pretty much in

1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:15.839
<v Speaker 1>clean up mode. Got you yea? How do they determine?

1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So do you get your own deer? Oh? Yeah, it's

1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:21.080
<v Speaker 1>tag when comes in it is you're giving your you know,

1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:23.599
<v Speaker 1>you gotta go get your back. Yeah, you get your

1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>dear back. You know how you guys call you know,

1:24:25.920 --> 1:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>still hunting. You know what I means, slipping through the woods.

1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Real quiet. But you're saying sitting in the stand, why

1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:36.559
<v Speaker 1>do you call it gutter? A skinner? I just did.

1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you can't. Yeah, he was a gutter.

1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't defend that. No, I can't defend that he

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:42.639
<v Speaker 1>was a gutter. I mean he didn't skin the deer.

1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Skinner sounds more noble. Yeah, my daddy was a skinner.

1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I was mistaken. He was a gutter. Yeah, I like skinner.

1:24:54.880 --> 1:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>What do they managed that property for? Well, it's an

1:25:02.320 --> 1:25:05.920
<v Speaker 1>ecological research park in addition to this, so they do

1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of ecological research on it. UM. A

1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of the University's, University Georgia Clempson, University of South Carolina, UM,

1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the A lot of universities do research

1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>on it because it's it's got gays, it's protected, your

1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>scientific equipment doesn't get disturbed. You can go out there

1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>and and it's done some ground, groundbreaking research for you.

1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Know that you could run for twenty years and not

1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.880
<v Speaker 1>have your you know, still go to the same spot

1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's not turned into a subdivision. It's still still

1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's cool. Anything else, seth, No, go ahead, man,

1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>That's all I had. And will it stay as its

1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>current designation? Is kind of like a wildlife Is there

1:25:48.840 --> 1:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>any plans to They talk about it all the time.

1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>What's what's gonna become the site? There's yeah. I went

1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>into public when I when I worked out there between

1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>ninety and nine. I go to public meetings and there'd

1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>be at least one old guy. Two old guys stand

1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>up at the public meetings and say, I want my

1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>lamb back. You're not generating you know, nuclear radio new

1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>clads anymore. You're not generating radioactive material. I want my

1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:19.479
<v Speaker 1>farm back. So I would totally understand that if it

1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was my arm. But I'm so happy. Like every time

1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you had to drive, like yeah, I used to on

1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>that it would be terrible. But I think it's just

1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:30.040
<v Speaker 1>if you can imagine just various places, it's just nice

1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:32.439
<v Speaker 1>to have a chunk like that. It's a big chuckle land.

1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It is, man, and I'm not And it's like the

1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not putting the farmer has a broken egg,

1:26:38.040 --> 1:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>but like you know, breaking eggs, making omelets, all that

1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. Like I understand, man, but it is

1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>just in two generations because because you're at the time,

1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:52.519
<v Speaker 1>at the time is probably presented as your patriotic duty. Yeah, right,

1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.479
<v Speaker 1>was right after right after the Second World War. And

1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>then that ends. You're like, okay, cool, I'm an American

1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and I understand. We gotta eat the Rooskies and then

1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:04.479
<v Speaker 1>that all ends, and he kind of gotta be like, okay,

1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I know, so it's not the Russians anymore. In my mind,

1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:13.120
<v Speaker 1>having intact ecological systems is also our patriotic duty, which

1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm just getting into. I'm offering the as

1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you as you said, the very understandable perspective of the

1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:24.479
<v Speaker 1>individual who has removed from his property. I know what,

1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>dude head is farm taking by eminent domain for golf course.

1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>No way would I allow that to happen. I know,

1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I would be the crazy guy hold up in the house,

1:27:36.880 --> 1:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about a chap ass over that one man he

1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>has to go by and see like a bunch of

1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>people where and the domain over a golf course. I

1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>would make everyone you know what, I'd give that guy's

1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>place back and then make all those people that ever

1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>played golf on there be his farm hands for no compensation. Really.

1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's terrible. Oh my god, it's a war on Christmas.

1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Like my dad used to hunt geese there and all

1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>sorts of water founder all sort of in China, the

1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>holdouts they call him, they call him nail houses. I

1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:14.799
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but like somebody that refuses in a big development,

1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>everybody else will sell, but they'll refuse, and they'll just

1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>be like they're little golf course. Yeah goodness. Yeah, that's

1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a damn shame. I'd rather be a mini golf course. Yeah,

1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, at least tell me it's put putt golf.

1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a travesty. Okay, Robert, you ready to switch gears?

1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:49.719
<v Speaker 1>We can. You gotta tell everybody all about long leaf pines. Okay.

1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>So in the South they dominant pine spaces. The dominant

1:28:55.439 --> 1:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>ecosystem in four was long leaf pine. Um. It's a

1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:05.639
<v Speaker 1>tree that grows three fifty four hundred years. Most people

1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that don't that aren't foresters or botanists, and they're looking

1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>at a pine. It's pine. It's pine tree. They can't

1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>tell the difference. I didn't know that. I want to

1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>school for it. So in the South we've got a

1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:20.439
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different pines, but the two most common one

1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:23.479
<v Speaker 1>three most common ones are slash, lab lolli and long leave.

1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>And oh, when you said slash slash pine, I thought

1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you meant it was some kind of like a cultivar. No, No,

1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a species, is thought. I think you meant like

1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>a hybrid, and you're seeing slash like like slash hyphen

1:29:38.400 --> 1:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>or something that's a species. Species. So we've got three

1:29:43.840 --> 1:29:45.479
<v Speaker 1>that are we got more species in that we got

1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>white pines, and we've got spruce pines, but the slash,

1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>lob lollie and long leave for the three important commercial pines.

1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:58.439
<v Speaker 1>So before settlement and and really up to nineteen hundred,

1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:00.959
<v Speaker 1>the long leaf pine was one of the dominant species.

1:30:01.000 --> 1:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>In fact, we think that it probably covered about ninety

1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>two million acres in the South based on the habitat

1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>and the soils and where we think it grew. By

1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:16.439
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty it was way below half and by nineteen

1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>let's see nine nine, it was down to three million acres.

1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Because of what good question. The first thing was cutting

1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it down, UM, make turpentine out of it. You would

1:30:30.080 --> 1:30:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you would bark the trees draining of turpentine. And during

1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the wooden ships industry, that's what you used to calk

1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the ships was tar. Was rope or calking that had

1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>been soaked in tar and then hammered between those boards

1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to keep it from leaking. Um. So when you're when

1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you're getting that material out, so so the long leaf

1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>sap produces what rosin and well the sap comes out

1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:01.679
<v Speaker 1>you you you bleed the tree and that's that's fatal

1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to the tree eventually, eventually, eventually, but they would leave. Um,

1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>they might box the tree. Is called box on a tree.

1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.439
<v Speaker 1>You might box the tree on both sides. Because a

1:31:11.520 --> 1:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>really big tree you might put three boxes on it.

1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I've seen one stump that had four boxes and they

1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>would leave maybe a three inch strip of bark between

1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.599
<v Speaker 1>the boxes. So the tree wouldn't die. So as long

1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>as it as long as it had something where the

1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>flow them and the xyleum would connect from the roots

1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:33.439
<v Speaker 1>to the to the needles and needles to the roots

1:31:33.479 --> 1:31:35.599
<v Speaker 1>that be in exchange and tree could survive. The tree

1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>could live. To see how he gestured towards Seth when

1:31:38.360 --> 1:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>he said flomansylum over your head and yeah, Chris don't

1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>know it at home. Robert didn't be very very sort

1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of like a like a little gesture, now this is

1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>over everyone a little, that little moment there about the

1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>zooman them. So after you tapped the tree, uh, there

1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:13.559
<v Speaker 1>would be a period of time where they would produce

1:32:13.600 --> 1:32:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the crop and a crop of turpentine, crop of sap

1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>that you would then processed into turpentine. Okay, I want

1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:23.559
<v Speaker 1>to I want to get this right. Um. That goes

1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>on for so long, but the tree dies. Yeah, eventually

1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:28.599
<v Speaker 1>it dies. And if we get cut it get cut down.

1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:33.439
<v Speaker 1>And generally you didn't turn that that face into lumber.

1:32:33.479 --> 1:32:35.559
<v Speaker 1>And I say, generally they would cut the tree down,

1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>cut that face off, leaves the face in the woods.

1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh you mean the part that was all the scarred

1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>from the boxed section. Uh, leave it in the woods,

1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and cut the upper part into timber heart pine, timber

1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>red heart, timber um. But it's kind of interesting on

1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>if you own that land, you weren't gonna waste those trees.

1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:57.479
<v Speaker 1>So you went ahead and sought out those butt logs.

1:32:58.120 --> 1:33:01.439
<v Speaker 1>And we've we've located east four or two by four's

1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in my grandmother's house that was built that actually has

1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the cut marks on it from the now. So my

1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:12.919
<v Speaker 1>grandfather when he cut the trees taken to the sawmill,

1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:15.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't leave that butt log laying in the woods.

1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>He hauled at the sawmill and he sawed it up

1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>into two by fours And there's only one you can see,

1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:25.559
<v Speaker 1>but if you go up in the attic, there's two

1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>others of the ceiling choices that that has the cat

1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:32.639
<v Speaker 1>face on it where they cut it out of the trail, Yeah,

1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>which is really cool. And then they use them for

1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>fence posts because they don't rot. They last forever. We've

1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>got fence posts have been in the ground. This year

1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:43.439
<v Speaker 1>will be a hundred years they've been in the ground. Yeah,

1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:47.559
<v Speaker 1>they've gone through here. They've gone through two or three

1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>um metal fences. The metal, the metal doesn't last long.

1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:57.479
<v Speaker 1>And they have big camps. Yeah, the turpentine camps this

1:33:57.560 --> 1:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff right, And that was that was uh yeah forever

1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>because it's out in the booneties. I mean, you go

1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>where the trees are. It wasn't something you could bring

1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>into town to do. And so you'd have the folks

1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>out there tapping the trees and and processing it out

1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>in out in the camp. Robert was explaining to me

1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>how they needed labor right and they made vagrancy laws,

1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>so you were highly encouraged to go work in the

1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:27.439
<v Speaker 1>turpentine camp. If you didn't have a job, you could

1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>be picked up for vagrancy. Had to have a job

1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:32.759
<v Speaker 1>against the law and not have a job, no loitering.

1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:35.599
<v Speaker 1>If you get picked up for vagrancy, you go to prison.

1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>When you're in prison, you get rented out to the

1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>turpentine camp. Oh god, dude, the choices or turpentine camp

1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:47.519
<v Speaker 1>for turpentine camp, won't wat you're going to the camp.

1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>You're going down to work. It was bad and that

1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:54.439
<v Speaker 1>that really that that program didn't peter out until the

1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Second World War, and when there were so many jobs

1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:01.599
<v Speaker 1>during the Second World War. Uh, they could they could

1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>get out of the camps, and they could they could

1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:07.240
<v Speaker 1>go they had options. They could work at the naval shipyards.

1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>So what do you call what trips out of the

1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>longleaf pine and SAP. Yeah, I don't know if that's

1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly the correct term. I may be mistaken on that,

1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:21.639
<v Speaker 1>but it's SAP. It's pine, sap pitch, but there's they

1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:24.599
<v Speaker 1>make a bunch of products from it, right that it's

1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:27.479
<v Speaker 1>basically tar, pitch and turpentine, and they were all used

1:35:27.520 --> 1:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>in the naval industry. Then the naval stores they called

1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>naval stores. Of course when I went through school, it's

1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>like what was the number one export in colonial North Carolina?

1:35:36.080 --> 1:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was born in North Carolina? Those naval stores. Good,

1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you got that correct, But nobody knew what naval story.

1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Teach you what naval stores were. That was just the

1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:46.519
<v Speaker 1>question on the test when you were in the eighth grade.

1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>But the naval stores was the tar pitch and turpentine

1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that allowed the ships to be waterproof and resistant to

1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:57.280
<v Speaker 1>marine worms that could bore through the bottom of the

1:35:57.280 --> 1:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>wooden ship. It would waterproof the rope, it would waterproof

1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the Tarpolians. The word Tarpolian had tar on it. Um.

1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:08.479
<v Speaker 1>You still see that in old h if you're reading

1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>like old books, how two books and wilderness travel books.

1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>The last time about getting it, always thought it was

1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:16.760
<v Speaker 1>pronounced tarpaulin. Yeah, but like t A R p A

1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>U l I N And it's taken now or just

1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>to mean like I remember, uh, like guys, my dad's

1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:27.879
<v Speaker 1>age would even call plastic tarp a tartet, blue tart hurricane.

1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>The bruise are all covered in blue tarts. Yeah, but

1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>they called a tarpaulin, right, And so then the so

1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you so you asked why how did we lose all

1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the long ly? So we used him until we used

1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>them up. Every time somebody needed to grow a field

1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of corn, you had to cut trees down. Corn won't

1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:45.559
<v Speaker 1>grow in the shade, and so you cut the trees

1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>down and cut them up, build your house like my

1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:50.760
<v Speaker 1>grandfather did, and then you can plant your corn crop

1:36:50.960 --> 1:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>or eat a back or crop or whatever. And then

1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifties, um the pulp mills came to

1:36:57.600 --> 1:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the south and lah blah pine could produce more pulp

1:37:02.400 --> 1:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>faster and more timber faster on an acre land than

1:37:05.439 --> 1:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>long leaf was. So they would cut out the long

1:37:08.120 --> 1:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>leaf and convert long leaf to lovellli And that was

1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the death now because the landowner could make

1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the landowner could grow the same sized tree could grow

1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the landowner. Like where we were hunting those trees that

1:37:25.880 --> 1:37:29.320
<v Speaker 1>were twenty inches in diameter, but thirty eight year old trees,

1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they were love blally pine. To get a thirty eight

1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to get a inch long leaf might take two d years.

1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>And so why would the landowner plant of species that

1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>he would never see return on if he can plant

1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a species that he can get three or four returns

1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>on in his lifetime. And people, people were whacking them,

1:37:54.120 --> 1:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you as more and more of them were cut.

1:37:57.760 --> 1:38:01.439
<v Speaker 1>The wildlife that was dependent upon that coast system, the

1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:06.439
<v Speaker 1>red cockaded woodpecker, the gopher toward us, the indigo snake

1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:09.519
<v Speaker 1>down in Georgia and Florida, they became more and more

1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and more rare. And the red cockaded pine or the

1:38:12.920 --> 1:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>red cockaded woodpecker was actually one of the first um

1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>species put on the endangered species list. So when they

1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>organized the first h endangered Species list, the r CW

1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:31.280
<v Speaker 1>was on it because there the habitat was disappearing so rapidly.

1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:34.560
<v Speaker 1>We met. We don't need to get into who this is,

1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>but we hunted on a property of a woman who

1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:44.559
<v Speaker 1>was right eighty six years old. They used to run

1:38:44.680 --> 1:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>cattle when she was young, as in her forties, I

1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>guess they quit running cattle and her her and her

1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>husband went out and she hand planted every tray on

1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that property. How many hand planted well out of a

1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>out of a tractor. The husband drove the tractor and

1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>she sat on the tree planner and she had her

1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>box of seedlings and she's just sitting there backwards, going through,

1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>going through the fields, sticking trees in the ground. She

1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:13.240
<v Speaker 1>planted every one of those and when she was in

1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>her fifties and now she's eighty six and planted. She's

1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>cutting those trees and she's thinned them three times. And

1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and she just you know, one of the areas that

1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:27.760
<v Speaker 1>we were hunting, she clear cut this past January. And

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's you know, you you shot that, you shot

1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:37.519
<v Speaker 1>your turkey in a stand Deptember that when we uh,

1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we started leasing the property ten years ago, that stand

1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Deptember was so thick you couldn't walk through it. It

1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>was blackberries and pine trees. And she thinned it once.

1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>She thinned it. About when does she oh, she thinned

1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:54.439
<v Speaker 1>it last year when she cleared cut the piece beside it,

1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:58.479
<v Speaker 1>she thinned that piece and um, and we shot turkeys

1:39:58.520 --> 1:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>in it. M hm called into long beards and jake

1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and a hen and you kill that and that really

1:40:04.479 --> 1:40:08.200
<v Speaker 1>nice bird. Um. So yeah, that's a that's a working forest,

1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>um generating income for her and yeah, she's her kids

1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:17.760
<v Speaker 1>will get income from it. And as long as it

1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>stays in the in the family. But if you just

1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>strolled over there at two years ago would have been

1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>long leaf, find it would have been a long leaf

1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and there was there is a long leaf around there.

1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>There's long leaf in the boundary line trees. There's long

1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>leaf by the road, the place that we call that

1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:33.240
<v Speaker 1>jake In. And then we went down by the lake,

1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that area was long leaf. That the some of the

1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>big trees there was still we're still long leaf. The

1:40:39.760 --> 1:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>trees we were leaning against when we call that jake in,

1:40:42.160 --> 1:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>we're all lob lolly. But the thicket that we were facing,

1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:48.240
<v Speaker 1>all those big trees in that thicket, those were long leaf.

1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Explain what um, what was lost in the cop between

1:40:54.720 --> 1:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the combination of cutting off and heart killing, harvesting all

1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:04.639
<v Speaker 1>the long leaf, but also with fire suppression. So when

1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:08.280
<v Speaker 1>when we lost the long leaf ecosystem, we didn't lose

1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>just the tree, We lost the ecosystem long leaf. Some

1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>people described it as a grassland with trees, because the

1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:19.519
<v Speaker 1>entire the canopy of a of a long leaf forest

1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is not like most pine forest. It's lets a lot

1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of sunlight in and that sunlight um allows grasses to grow,

1:41:27.880 --> 1:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>but only if you have fire. So the South has

1:41:30.760 --> 1:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the highest incidents of lightning strikes I know,

1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in North America, I think in the world, but one

1:41:37.880 --> 1:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>of the highest incidence of lightning strikes. It's it's evidence

1:41:41.120 --> 1:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>shows that it probably burned on a three to five

1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:50.639
<v Speaker 1>year uh basis um. You know, wrap often frequent, low

1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>intensity fires. You didn't have the Western fires. You didn't

1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>have crowned out kill everything. You had flames that might

1:41:57.960 --> 1:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>be anywhere from a foot high to six ft high,

1:42:01.400 --> 1:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>because it burned every year. There was anything to burn,

1:42:04.760 --> 1:42:09.479
<v Speaker 1>burning burning pine needles, burning grasses, uh, small bushes, But

1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:13.439
<v Speaker 1>after years and years and years and years, the bushes

1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>were knocked down pretty good. I mean, the hardwoods were

1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:18.559
<v Speaker 1>killed in the uplands and driven down into the swamps.

1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:21.800
<v Speaker 1>So you had hardwood swamps, but you didn't have any

1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:25.320
<v Speaker 1>hard ones in the uplands. In the Lower Piedmont and

1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the Coastal Plain, the mountains, you had hardwoods. But what

1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about is the Lower Piedmont and the Coastal

1:42:30.720 --> 1:42:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Plain all the way from Virginia around to Texas, so

1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>nine states. This was the dominant ecosystem. So what was

1:42:37.360 --> 1:42:41.720
<v Speaker 1>lost was that ecosystem and the animals that depend on it.

1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's a lot of I think there's twenty nine

1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:50.679
<v Speaker 1>species of state or federally listed animals that in plants

1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:56.439
<v Speaker 1>and animals that inhabit that that longly find ecosystem. It's

1:42:56.479 --> 1:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>surprising driving around here how much evidence you see controlled burning.

1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Though it's good that it is, it's really good. Um.

1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:09.560
<v Speaker 1>The Longleaf Alliance touts it a lot. The Turkey Federation

1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>helped people with it. The Longleaf Alliance helps Fish and

1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Wildlife Service will provide funding through their Ecological services for burning.

1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The NRCS Natural Resource Conservation Service through the U S

1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Department of Agriculture, will help landowners pay for burning, and

1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and the whole, the whole we had. I was given

1:43:29.600 --> 1:43:36.479
<v Speaker 1>a presentation at the University UM just late March, and

1:43:36.680 --> 1:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the women, one of the students, asked me

1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:40.519
<v Speaker 1>the question, well, if you're doing all this burning, you're

1:43:40.600 --> 1:43:42.840
<v Speaker 1>killing the hard woods, aren't you. And I said, yeah,

1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you are, You're knocking them back. But the species that

1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we want are those species that are adapted to this ecosystem,

1:43:51.600 --> 1:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and the hardwoods that are getting killed and knocked out

1:43:55.320 --> 1:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>are not adapted to it. The turkey oaks that are

1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:59.479
<v Speaker 1>adapted to it. The big ones don't get killed. The

1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>little ones get killed. And if you lay all fire,

1:44:02.920 --> 1:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you have a creek down here or something,

1:44:05.439 --> 1:44:07.639
<v Speaker 1>then there'll be some that grow up and they'll they'll

1:44:07.680 --> 1:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>become big. But we have a lot of land in

1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the South that is a thicket, and so the animals

1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:17.519
<v Speaker 1>that require a thicket have a lot of land. We

1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:19.760
<v Speaker 1>don't have a lot of land that is a grassland.

1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.720
<v Speaker 1>And so like even that clear cut, that one year

1:44:23.760 --> 1:44:26.280
<v Speaker 1>old clear cut that we were hunting in, there were

1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:29.320
<v Speaker 1>bachman sparrow that morning when we were listening for turkeys

1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to gobble. There were bachman sparrow's calling all over that

1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:36.799
<v Speaker 1>entire clear cut because it was it was a grassland.

1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>It was coming up. So they like that one year

1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:42.439
<v Speaker 1>old clear cut, but they like they had the bunch

1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:46.760
<v Speaker 1>grasses and the habitat that they required. Um Seth went

1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:50.439
<v Speaker 1>up on the National Forest and shot some some video,

1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:52.760
<v Speaker 1>or Rick did. Rick went up and shot some video

1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>on the National Forest. And that area is a grassland

1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>with widely widely space trees that let enough sunlight in

1:45:02.760 --> 1:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>so that the grass will grow. Now, the one where

1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you're shooting the drone videos were UM, lob lolly and

1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and short leaf. There was there's only one long leaf

1:45:13.560 --> 1:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>on that whole track on that that I've found and

1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that anybody else has found that I know about. Um.

1:45:19.360 --> 1:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>It used to be a mixture of shortleaf, lah blahi

1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and long leaf because the habitats the ranges were coming

1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>together in that Upper Piedmont area right there. UM. So

1:45:30.280 --> 1:45:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you asked, what if we lost We've lost the system,

1:45:33.280 --> 1:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>We've lost the animals and the plants that are associated

1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>with that system in exchange for in exchange for a

1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>cheap paper lumber for your house, to buy fours for

1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:51.439
<v Speaker 1>your house, toilet paper, notebook paper, newsprint packaging, UM, all

1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:53.439
<v Speaker 1>of that. I mean, it's a tradeoff. It's not you

1:45:53.479 --> 1:45:56.519
<v Speaker 1>can't blame land on it for making the most money. UM,

1:45:57.000 --> 1:46:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's us. It's our society that demands UH

1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a paper product which is renewable, UM, timber which are

1:46:06.000 --> 1:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>renewable and UM. And the landowner is gonna try to

1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>make the most money as possible. And what what we're

1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:15.800
<v Speaker 1>hoping is one of the things that's coming along now

1:46:16.280 --> 1:46:20.479
<v Speaker 1>is carbon sequestration to help with you know, global warming.

1:46:21.000 --> 1:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>If the landowner could be paid to grow trees longer,

1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>then is currently profitable for them. So if they're raising

1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:33.320
<v Speaker 1>blah blahllipine just for money, they're gonna thin thin clear

1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>cut at age thirty or thirty five, plant a new

1:46:36.120 --> 1:46:39.479
<v Speaker 1>crop thin thin clear cut at age thirty five. Well,

1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:42.519
<v Speaker 1>if we had a way to pay them to take

1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>those thirty five year old trees to fifty or seventy

1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>five or a hundred and offset the funds that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be losing, that would sequester carbon and help

1:46:54.200 --> 1:46:59.839
<v Speaker 1>with the reduction of you know, climate change, and encourage

1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the land owner to grow older trees on his property,

1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:06.320
<v Speaker 1>which would help all the wildlife associated with that. But

1:47:06.400 --> 1:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>then we'd be doing the burning. And we were talking

1:47:07.960 --> 1:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>about that because when you burn, your release carbon into

1:47:10.040 --> 1:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the air. But and that's true, but where the big

1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:19.479
<v Speaker 1>worry is the fossil fuels, because we're digging carbon up

1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>out of the out of the ground instead of what

1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:29.559
<v Speaker 1>is naturally rotting burning. And in this country, it's gonna burn.

1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>It's either gonna burn with a lightning strike. It's gonna

1:47:32.320 --> 1:47:35.479
<v Speaker 1>burn with wildfire, or it's gonna burn with prescribed fire.

1:47:35.680 --> 1:47:38.599
<v Speaker 1>There's no getting around it. And we can burn every

1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>three to five years with prescribed fire during the during

1:47:43.160 --> 1:47:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the right conditions where the smoke that we're sending up

1:47:47.800 --> 1:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>is not as as hazardous, not as toxic. That's what

1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it would be in all consuming wildfire like you see

1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:59.519
<v Speaker 1>out west. That it was bad that we were out

1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.479
<v Speaker 1>there health hunting it is. I went through Medicine Boat

1:48:03.080 --> 1:48:07.840
<v Speaker 1>National Forest in Wyoming and it was sixty miles of

1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:11.400
<v Speaker 1>smoke on the interstate and Campton, Nebraska, and you could

1:48:11.439 --> 1:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>still smell the smoke in Nebraska. Dude. We had orange

1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:19.839
<v Speaker 1>like orange all day and ash raining in our backyard.

1:48:20.120 --> 1:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>They were having orange sunsets on the East coast. My

1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>folks were saying in Pennsylvania that the smoke was coming

1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that far from those California fires. So that's not that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we don't want. We don't want catastrophic wildfire, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways to prevent it is to is

1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to do prescribe fire. We burn our place up in

1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:42.720
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina and the highest flame heights we get are

1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:45.360
<v Speaker 1>three or four feet and burn every four or five

1:48:45.439 --> 1:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>years and just creep the fire, back it in and

1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>once you back it off the line, you can go

1:48:50.840 --> 1:48:53.439
<v Speaker 1>through and set a strip head fire that that runs

1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>ahead fire and then set another one. It runs at

1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>another one, it runs that, another one it runs and

1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you gotta get permit, you gotta have train and work

1:49:01.080 --> 1:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>with the State Forestry Commission on all that. What is

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<v Speaker 1>my last question for you, What if we look at

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<v Speaker 1>how quail numbers just every decade seems to be worse,

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<v Speaker 1>And people point to a lot of things that fire ants, right, proliferation,

1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:23.960
<v Speaker 1>fire ants, um. But this has to be a factor

1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:26.439
<v Speaker 1>in that. Well, it's a huge factor. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>raising North Carolina quail hunt and we go down eastern

1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:32.679
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina weak quail hunt. The quail population started crashing

1:49:33.080 --> 1:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>where weak quail hunted in eastern North Carolina. It started

1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:40.640
<v Speaker 1>crashing in the seventies and by the nineties that you

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<v Speaker 1>that means no point in quail hunt and there were

1:49:44.479 --> 1:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>no fire ants there at all. They didn't make it

1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:51.640
<v Speaker 1>there until the late nineties early two thousand too, and

1:49:51.680 --> 1:49:54.800
<v Speaker 1>they're there now. But my point is it couldn't have

1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:57.280
<v Speaker 1>been fireingts that caused the crash in the Carolinas because

1:49:57.280 --> 1:49:59.560
<v Speaker 1>there were no fire ants. It could have, it could have.

1:50:00.320 --> 1:50:04.240
<v Speaker 1>It could be an extending um circumstance in Alabama, Mississippi,

1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>George and Florida because they got there first. They came

1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:09.519
<v Speaker 1>in and I think they came in in mobile, but

1:50:09.640 --> 1:50:12.599
<v Speaker 1>they can't. They came in from South America, and um.

1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Fire ants are contributing. Uh. Nest predation with raccoons are

1:50:19.640 --> 1:50:23.439
<v Speaker 1>are a factor, But it's habitats, habitats, habitat habitat. If

1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you've got it, if you've got enough highly, if you've

1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:28.479
<v Speaker 1>got enough good habitat, you're gonna have quail. You're gonna

1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:31.200
<v Speaker 1>have all those species associated with it. She put in

1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that clear cut and last year, and I don't know

1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:39.240
<v Speaker 1>where they came from. I jumped coveys of quail three

1:50:39.320 --> 1:50:42.040
<v Speaker 1>different times. It's not enough to go buy a dog

1:50:42.120 --> 1:50:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and start training a dog. But you could hear when

1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I was scouting, I heard quail calling in that fifty

1:50:48.880 --> 1:50:52.320
<v Speaker 1>acre clear cut. Almost every day. They were in. They

1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:55.240
<v Speaker 1>were in there, and you make a place for him,

1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and there they are, and they and they show up,

1:50:57.040 --> 1:51:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and they breed and they produced and they survive. Uh.

1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:04.479
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is those trees then grow up into

1:51:04.520 --> 1:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>where you killed your turkey. Wide open pine straw, no habitat,

1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and they need grass, they need they need bunch grasses

1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:16.640
<v Speaker 1>where those little ones can run around and catch insects.

1:51:16.800 --> 1:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>They need thickets where they can get away from the

1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>avian predators, from the hawks. And they need bare ground

1:51:23.040 --> 1:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>where they can actually pick up a seat. And that

1:51:27.320 --> 1:51:35.320
<v Speaker 1>habitat is rare for for Bob White quail um Man

1:51:36.200 --> 1:51:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot. Sorry I get into it. I started talking

1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about that's that's why that here. But we had a

1:51:43.000 --> 1:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>great time hanging out with you. We had a blast here.

1:51:46.400 --> 1:51:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you and I meet in Hell's Canyon? We met

1:51:50.320 --> 1:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>in the spring of two thousand and twelve, nine years ago. Yeah,

1:51:56.479 --> 1:51:58.840
<v Speaker 1>has a good conversation since then. Yeah, that was a

1:51:58.880 --> 1:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>good hunt, going by jet boat, take mules into Hell's

1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Canyon wilderness area, turkey out for a week. It's a

1:52:06.000 --> 1:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>great time. It was a great time. The best thing

1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:10.439
<v Speaker 1>about it was meeting you because then I got to

1:52:10.439 --> 1:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>come down here and hunt turkeys with you in your

1:52:12.040 --> 1:52:18.799
<v Speaker 1>well and you invite me in Florida. Pull my hamstring, Robert,

1:52:18.960 --> 1:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, Well, thank you all. This was

1:52:21.439 --> 1:52:26.080
<v Speaker 1>a blast. Ladies, and gentlemen, Robert every dathew, thank you, yeah,

1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:30.560
<v Speaker 1>thanks throwing us around, man, and thank your wife for

1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the food. I will yeah, you guys are very very hospital.

1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be good for a week for the food.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all left, all right, thank you very much. Man, Satha

1:52:42.680 --> 1:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>here you call it, But we can't hunt birds at night?

1:52:49.560 --> 1:52:54.639
<v Speaker 1>The flip flops shoes eager do you use that turkey?

1:52:55.120 --> 1:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Con justice? Drive? Just a fuel hours and the birds

1:53:03.120 --> 1:53:11.120
<v Speaker 1>will leave the ruse. I think I hear them call him, Seth,

1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:15.360
<v Speaker 1>What can I do? What can I do? Seth? What

1:53:15.680 --> 1:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>can I do? Seth? I hear you call them to

1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:27.760
<v Speaker 1>know that you who won't stop? But I have to

1:53:27.960 --> 1:53:33.439
<v Speaker 1>take a growler and I just can't find a ruck.

1:53:36.040 --> 1:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Just a few more hours and the birds will leave

1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the ruse. I think I hear them calling, Seth, what

1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>can I do? What can I do? Seth? What can

1:53:53.320 --> 1:54:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I do? No