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Speaker 1: all right. First off, right before we do anything YouTube,

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Speaker 1: Right now, you can go watch The B Side of

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Speaker 1: Fishing with our very own beloved Joseph Melli. So Joseph

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Speaker 1: Joseph Melli is great also you should go follow Joe's Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's Joe Simmelli's Instagram handle? And look, if you want

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Speaker 1: to keep track of all of our fishing stuff and

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Speaker 1: Joe Surmelli in particular, and all of our fishing stuff,

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Speaker 1: a lot more stuff. I'm gonna be fishing with Joe

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey coming up here real soon. What are

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Speaker 1: you fishing for stripers? You didn't know about that? Heck,

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Speaker 1: yeah that's cool. I'm not gonna tell people why, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: speaking on Instagram Unbelievable engagement a podcast list that wrote

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Speaker 1: in that he had the greatest trail camp video I

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Speaker 1: a farmer driving by an attractor and the farmer, without

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Speaker 1: acts surprised that there's any other way to go, as though,

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Speaker 1: A guy. Half million people watched this farmer. There's some

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Speaker 1: great comments I had will blur out the farmer's face,

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Speaker 1: man that that bleeds in his job that much, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't even stop to you know, him and the Amazon

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Speaker 1: too busy, Robert abernathey's here with us. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: water like flushing raccoons and a pressure washer. Flushing beavers

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Speaker 1: a big explanation of like why it is complete horseshit.

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Speaker 1: He's a video on his channel about it. Right, He's like, here,

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Speaker 1: set it up. It's just not the same thing. He's

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Speaker 1: He does wash all of his hides in the washing

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Speaker 1: machine after fleshing or before. He's adamant that it's pre flashing.

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Speaker 1: Whoa why is that it's easier to dry with fat

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Speaker 1: and stuff on it? So when he everything he does.

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Speaker 1: When he skins a fox, he skins the fox, no detergent,

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Speaker 1: just cold water, washes it in the classic washing machine.

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Speaker 1: He's got washing machine in his first chet with no

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Speaker 1: washes it, pulls it out, hangs it the dry. But

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Speaker 1: the dude is very very attention to detail, very attention

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Speaker 1: to detail. If you want to learn, nothing gets you said, no, No,

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Speaker 1: go to his channel, you know, to learn stuff. What's

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Speaker 1: his last name is, Steve Miller? I don't remember. Has

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Speaker 1: he been on here? He should be uh? He hasn't

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Speaker 1: Coon Creek Outdoors great stuff? I mean, like, if you

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Speaker 1: just like seeing how to do stuff, he does an

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Speaker 1: interesting job of explaining how to do stuff. Uh well,

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about a lot. In this book, he

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Speaker 1: goes to his prospector's house and the prospect of houses

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Speaker 1: gun went off as I was falling, and it went

424
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: through my hat and luckily didn't didn't draw blood. One

425
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: pellet hit me between the eyes, and if it had

426
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: been a half an inch to either side, it was

427
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: gone through an eye. But it hit me on the

428
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: bridge of the nose, and uh, and two or three

429
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: pellets in the shoulder or something, but they didn't penetrate

430
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: the skin. But it wasn't getting rained on you. Yeah,

431
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: that has all the time that it rains down on you.

432
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: But the turkey hunt. And I've been working a bird

433
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: and it quit goblin and just like one did this morning,

434
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: quick goblin. And so I slipped down in this little

435
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: bottom and I was looking, and there was a clear cut,

436
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: and I said, well, maybe he went out in that

437
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: clear cut. And I was glass and I was looking.

438
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: I heard a clock up on the up on the

439
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: hill and and one of gobble. It was clock was

440
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: just one clock. And hunters never just make one cluck.

441
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: They're they're like they're just calling calling, it's just one clock.

442
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: But there was a firebreak running up the hill, and

443
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, if there's somebody walking that firebreak,

444
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: maybe he's but it's eighty yards the top of the hill.

445
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: I'll see him if if it's a hunter. But I

446
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: got behind a tree anyway, and thinking about getting shot. Yeah,

447
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: I got behind a tree. But why were you thinking

448
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: he was gonna shoot you? I'd been shot once and

449
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't want to get shot again. And I got shot

450
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: that morning. I don't want to shot a third time.

451
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: And uh but uh but I turned to look out

452
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: into the clear cut and as I turned, I picked

453
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: my leg up and set it on a stump, so

454
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: you know, I was standing up straight and I kind

455
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: of went like that to rest myself and he shot me,

456
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: and uh two pellets hit me in the leg and

457
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: one hit me on the side of the head. If

458
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't if I hadn't turned my head at that moment,

459
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: it would hit me in the face. It was only

460
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: one pellet and I yelled and he came running down

461
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: the hill. He was when that when the game wardings

462
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: investigated the incident, he said, oh, well, it looks like

463
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you're okay. Well, we'll see you later and he left

464
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: and I called, you know, he's supposed to report an incidents.

465
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: I reported. He was eighty five yards away when we

466
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: found the shell. We found the shell. That that's how

467
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: we knew it was a duplex shell. And then we

468
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: went down to the tree I was standing behind. There

469
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: were twenty five pellets in the tree that I was

470
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: standing behind, and he was shooting a three and a

471
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: half inch duplex shell. With two sports and sixes or

472
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: two sixes seven a half, so I'm not sure. But

473
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: the two it is what penetrated the seam on my pants.

474
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: And it's the only one that really stung. The sixes,

475
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't staying it wasn't bad, but the

476
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: number two penetrated the uh you know, my my camouflage,

477
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, not just the cloth, but the seam of

478
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: the cloth and went in. And you know number two

479
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: is number twos. Tell you up. Some states it's legal

480
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: to shoot turkey's buckshot. Some of the states there's no left.

481
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he shouldn't be anything. Oh dude. And um,

482
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: you know the same thing with rifles. You got people

483
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: in you can that's a whole debate. But you got

484
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: people in hunting full camo, no blaze, orange and other

485
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: people using rifles. How does he how I just don't

486
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: understand anybody, like, especially after this week where the turkeys

487
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: come in. They came in within like twenty five yards, right,

488
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: forty maybe? Yeah, how do you confuse that with a person? Well,

489
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: he he came over this hill and and and I

490
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know, it was early in the morning, you know,

491
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: it was first hour of daylight and he saw that

492
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: movement of my leg and he he said, what he

493
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: saw was a gobbler with a red head going to

494
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: full strut. How God's name, and he shot at eighty

495
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: five yards, I mean five yards, and uh, I saw

496
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: a gobbler going into full strut for the first time

497
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: in my life on this trip. Close close, and I

498
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: would never think, like, oh, that dude's leg definitely looks

499
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: exactly like that turkey. But that's so that's a question

500
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: that comes up whenever people get shot, is in an

501
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: offer to you know, deer hunters shoot people like so

502
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: not only did you think that that man was a deer,

503
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: you thought you were aiming like behind the shoulder. Yeah,

504
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: that's a good point too. Yeah, and that you, uh

505
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: like had seen what it has on its head and well,

506
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: And it can happen to him more experienced hunner than

507
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: a less experienced hunter, because the hunter is expecting something

508
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and his brain process is what he says faster, and

509
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: he processes it wrong, and so he might say a

510
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: bit of movement or he might be yeah, today, you

511
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: gotta be careful, we gotta hunt defensively. Today. I saw

512
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: a raccoon, yeah, and I thought it was a hen. Well,

513
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: to your credit, though, there was a gobbler ripping right

514
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: on the other side of the log. The raccoon was on, Yeah,

515
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a turkey like the back

516
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: a fan or a hen slinking over a lot. But

517
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: did you start firing shots over there? Absolutely no unload

518
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: on the raccoon and be like, oh, I thought it

519
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: must have been a turkey. Yes, sorry, guys, And and

520
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: we we looked at a lot of hunting accident reports

521
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: and one of the highest incidents, and they now call

522
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: him incidents. They don't call him accidents anymore. You don't

523
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: have hunting accidents. You have hunting incidents. And that's because

524
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: it's not an accident until it's been investigated. Until then,

525
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: it's an incident. And most of them are buddies shooting

526
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: other buddies. The shooter knows the victim. In most instances,

527
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: especially turkey hunting, where somebody might separate and say, hey,

528
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to hunt on this side the road. You

529
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: hunt on that side the road, and the guy on

530
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: this side of the road, here's the bird just tearing

531
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: it up on the other side, and he's going, you know,

532
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: there's there's no way you can hear that bird. He

533
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't hear that birth. I know he didn't hear that bird.

534
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: And pretty soon he's crossing the road and he's hunting

535
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: the same bird, but his buddies hunting, and that's where accidents,

536
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: that's where accidents happened. You just that's why I like

537
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: hunting remote areas, like like we were hunting. I like

538
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: hunting as remote areas possible, or private land. But statistically,

539
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: in the Southeast, more accidents occur on private land than

540
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: public land because it's nineties some percent exactly, it's the

541
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: most common type of land. I know dudes that were

542
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: this is in Pennsylvania. They were working a bird and

543
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: the bird kind of did the same thing the one

544
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: did this morning, came close and then like drifted away.

545
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: And there was there's three or four of them together hunting,

546
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: and they got up and we're standing in a group

547
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: together talking about what had just happened, and someone shot

548
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, what was he thinking? I have

549
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: no clue, dude. I feel like there's some bad intent there.

550
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: It's like god to be if you can't just remember

551
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: he heard he had a bird. You know, you'd have

552
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: asked the shooter, but he alread a bird gobbling and

553
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: decided to slip up on it. And the chances that

554
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: it's just so hard you can't You can do it,

555
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: Sure you can do it, but the odds are you

556
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: just can't do it. Just you you're supposed to set

557
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: up and call the animal to eat. Yeah, I mean

558
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: that's that's how it works. But he's just gotta be careful.

559
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: He's just gotta be super careful, super careful. Do you

560
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: know what type of hunting has the most incidents? Bird?

561
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: Usually bird? Right swinging and I think it's swinging on

562
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: the bird, swinging on game. Yeah, swinging on game. Most

563
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: you're you're focused on you, and you also get trained

564
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: doing it where you're shooting through brush and all the

565
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: time you're focused on the bird, you're not focused on

566
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: most between you and the bird. Yeah, that's how That's

567
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: how Dick Cheney Yeah, yeah, shot his body. Yeah, everybody

568
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: had a good time with that. And I don't I'm

569
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: not trying to stick off for shooting your body, but

570
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: uh definitely see how that would happen. Not forgiving it,

571
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: but I mean just realistically, it's like, but you gotta

572
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: look at the odds. You gotta look at the statistics.

573
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: That's the it's much much safer. I mean, the most

574
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: dangerous thing you do when you go deer hunting as

575
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: you get in the car and you drive down the highway,

576
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: and you know that's the most dangerous thing you're doing

577
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: because the car w rex. Of course car accidents. And

578
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: then the second most dangerous as you climb up on

579
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: a tree stand, and the the accident rates with tree

580
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: stand has gone down dramatically because people wear belts. Now,

581
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: they wear safety harnesses. I mean when when I was

582
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: coming along, we didn't wear it. We didn't wear any

583
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: horses a lot of two tree stands and climb, climb

584
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: back up and come on hunting. But I got buddies

585
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: that that didn't climb back up, that crawled out of

586
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the woods, and um, it's it's But I had one

587
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: buddy it fell out and broke broke a leg and

588
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: crawled out of the woods and we got to the highway.

589
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: It was a chain link fence. He's gonna get to

590
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: the highway, except he had a leatherman and he sat

591
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: there and he cut the chain link fence and crawled

592
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: through the chain link fence and got on the edge

593
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: of highway and started flashing his blaze orange vest. If

594
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: he hadn't had it, if he hadn't had wirecutters. You know,

595
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: is that guy still alive? Yeah, as far as I know,

596
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from him a long time, but yeah,

597
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: far as I know. Had another guy fell out of

598
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: a tree stand. He climbed all the way up there

599
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: and and uh, it was one of those climbers and

600
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: by the time he got to the top, the tree

601
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: had gotten smaller as they do, as they all do.

602
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: Not not as bad with a long leaf pine, that's right,

603
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: they don't have taper. And he had gotten up there,

604
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: and you know, he was kind of hanging down, so

605
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: he turned around and he reached around the tree and

606
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: he he opened it up and readjusted it on both sides.

607
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: He missed, he missed the pens. So when he slid

608
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: it around and put the pins in, they didn't they

609
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't go through the bar that went around and he

610
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: sat back down and leaned back make sure it was sturdy,

611
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: went straight over back, didn't have a safety built on,

612
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: went over back, landed on his leg, broke his lower

613
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: egg and they only kept him the only thing kept

614
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: him from bleeding to death was he had high top

615
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: snake boots and so his leg immediately swoll up and

616
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: effectively acted like a tourniquet because it was a it

617
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: was a compound fractor through the leg. And then he

618
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: started screaming and he had a buddy of a couple

619
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: of hare yards away. Tree stands are dangerous. I mean,

620
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful. We gotta be They got warnings,

621
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: They got multiple warnings on everyone on them, and you know,

622
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: so so you know, we're talking about shooting as an accident,

623
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: but there's there's a lot more things out there that

624
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: are a lot higher risk than going hunting. But that

625
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful and you shouldn't be

626
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: defensive and be aware and don't lean your shotgun against

627
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: the side of a car, you know, go go laid

628
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: on the ground, or go put it in the crotch

629
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: of a tree or something. Just you gotta think about

630
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: out All the time, I was looking at these statistics

631
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: about injuries hunting related injury ease compared to other sports,

632
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: Like if you call it a sport and other sports,

633
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you line up all like the sports that

634
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: we talked about, and think about um hunting ranks and

635
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: at pool and billiards. Oh for safety. Wow? Well yeah,

636
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean because you're when you compare it to like football. Yeah,

637
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: you can start comparing to like skiing, climbing dude, you

638
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: want to man? Yeah, skiing injuries, dude, everybody I know

639
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: that skis is always breaking an arm, breaking a collar

640
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: bone something. All right, we're gonna move on. Yeah not no,

641
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Oh you know that guy. You

642
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: know what what the guy finished for us, our electrical

643
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: our engineer. What we got a guy that's we're getting

644
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: We're taking possession of it soon. It's a master light

645
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the table. And everyone has an

646
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: interest dial. Oh, you're doing it. You're an engineer, made

647
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: it for us. Every when he has an interest dial. Yeah.

648
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: But it calculates all input. Oh, it comes up with

649
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: an average for this. So if someone's talking about something

650
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: that you don't think it's interesting, you don't need to

651
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: hurt their feelings personally. You just very quietly, Oh, dude,

652
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna turn your dial. But I don't know, that's

653
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: kind of psychologically you turn your dial down. No one knows,

654
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: like it's it's like, you know, when they used to

655
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: do the executions with the fire and squad, and they'd

656
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: give some of the guys a blank, give some of

657
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: the guys a blank. Right, it's like that, So you

658
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: don't have ownership over the Yeah, but the someone will

659
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: sitting there talking and they'll see that light just getting

660
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: dimmer and dimmer and dimmer and later and be like,

661
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: oh no, bro, I was cranked up. Yeah I was.

662
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: I was fascinating. I cracked my thing all the way up.

663
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: That MU must spend other people. That probably will happen.

664
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: Must other people didn't like your story, But how are

665
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: people going to transition out of that once they see

666
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: that light turning color? Better day? Better wrap it up

667
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: or get you a good part. Listen, I got some stories.

668
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I got some stories I'm gonna tell where I'm gonna

669
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: be like, I know that sucker is gonna dim down. Oh,

670
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna test just playing it, yeah, because

671
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: then I know that it's gonna start getting bright. Yeah,

672
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: right right right now, it is dim. Interested, No, damn

673
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: is not interested. Now you're like, oh, yeah, it's it's

674
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: dim now, buddy, you wait a minute, it's right up.

675
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could do a thing where it

676
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: gets to a point it's just like it's too bad.

677
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: And if everybody has the problem is the guy that

678
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: is making us. It turned into a lot more work

679
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: than he reckoned with. So if I told him I

680
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: also wanted to have the capability of shutting that person's

681
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: mic off, I think I might need to send it

682
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: back in a year and have work on that. Let's

683
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: not do that to him. Feel is gonna play the

684
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: um the Bitcoin Update song the Continuing Adventures of Chester

685
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the Investor. Come that's it? Come on? Can you sing

686
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: your little song? Chester? What's on your favorite little m Hmmm?

687
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: What I want to do? I want to revamp the

688
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: Chester the Investor theme, so it has wh yeppoo ye

689
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: boo some element of that in there. How's it going, Chester?

690
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: I understand that bitcoin has really just stabilized, and you're

691
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: not very close to the Walleye boat. Uh, it's stabilized.

692
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: It went up to day to uh sixty one thousand

693
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: dollars per bitcoin, and immediately some some gambling folks sold

694
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: and oh some short term urs and it went down

695
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: just a little bit. It's sitting at thousand, but it's

696
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of been that fifty five to six for quite

697
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: some time, which is fine. Chester put he had a

698
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: bunch of money in a drawer in his house. Was

699
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: it a sock drawer? It was a nightstand. He was

700
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: keeping all his money in his nightstand. And just to

701
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: be clear, I don't it's not there anymore in my house.

702
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: If anyone, he moved into a different drawer different that

703
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: in his car, he moved the bitcoin. He took the

704
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: money out of his nightstand and invested it in cryptocurrency

705
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: because he knows that it's blown up and just saving

706
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: for a Walleye boat. Okay, good, Um, I was it

707
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: was funny today as Chester. Can we talk about your

708
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: family planning? Yeah, well it's not okay, I can say this,

709
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: could can still leave this in that I would that

710
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I could say that. Um, it's not inaccurate to say

711
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: that Chester may someday desire to have a family. That

712
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: is not that's true, okay, And I was observing to Chester,

713
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: if that's the case, he might think about getting this

714
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: walleye boat first, to which Robert said, he might think

715
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: about getting his hooks first, because money can get tight. Yes, exactly. Hey,

716
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: that's that's why I'm doing a little investing. You know. Uh,

717
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: there's a guy though, um Alfred. Uh, he's an investor sort.

718
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: He was saying, this is good news for you Chester.

719
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: He's saying how a lot of asset managers are purchasing

720
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin to gain exposure in this new

721
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: asset class. The theory is that bitcoin is the bell

722
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: weather of an altogether new asset class to which they

723
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: should have some exposure, for example, one percent of net

724
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: asset value. And he goes on to say this if

725
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: sovereign central banks by as well. He's saying there's going

726
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: to be increased meaningful demand for a finite asset. I

727
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: read that to say Walleye boats, Yes, for sure, but

728
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: like we're talking about in the last segment, might keep

729
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: that in there, sell my drift boat here real soon

730
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: and uh, get a walleye boat with that, keep the bitcoin,

731
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: keep the bitcoin rolling. But what's the opportunity costs of

732
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: not having that walleye boat? Like, how much is it

733
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: costing you? He fishes out of sets wallet boat. Well,

734
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: then it's not costing me anything. Yeah, it is to

735
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: hang out with my wife because she'd be had a

736
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: fit in the boat right now. If if we have

737
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: my boat and we can only fit three people in there. Yeah,

738
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: but you guys only usually fish together. It's like one

739
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: of you's going out. You want more people in the boat.

740
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: What you're saying you can't bring you're Yeah, Like if

741
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: if Chad a boat, I could bring my gal out

742
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: and then we have two other people. You can come, Chris, Chris,

743
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: you're out. But I only got my invitation. Uh, guy

744
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: rode in. Oh, you good on that? Yeah, I'm good

745
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: on it. Oh, I gotta proposal for you. We're gonna

746
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: start a thing. We're gonna start a thing called the

747
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: me Eater auction House of Oddities for Conservation, and we're

748
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: gonna sell one of the kind of oddities and raise

749
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: it for our Land Access Initiative. Love. Yeah, we got

750
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of items are putting into auction house. I

751
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: guess some things I regret doing other stuff with that.

752
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: I wish how to putt in the auction house. But

753
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: we got cool stuff that's going to the auction house.

754
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: What if you knew what amount you needed out of

755
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: your boat, and we've sold your boat at the auction

756
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: house knowing that you could peel off. Yeah, every in

757
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: there's a minimum bid and that's what you need. Yeah,

758
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: every extra dollar we get goes into our Land Access initiative.

759
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a good idea around Chester, kicking around. Uh.

760
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: Guy wrote in about how they had a buck. You know,

761
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: everybody names bucks. You guys name bucks, Robert, I don't know,

762
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean we you know, you look at the antlers

763
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: and say, well that one, we got one with a

764
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: broken antler. We got one with five on one side,

765
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: four one of the other. But we don't. I don't

766
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: name them. You don't. They don't become like Dave and Bob.

767
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: Now that's a little too personal for something to eat,

768
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. This guy listener named Marty wrote in

769
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: they had a buck um in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, an

770
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: eight point buck. He said it was he was so

771
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: regular that he would enter their hayfield from the tree

772
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: line of the neighbor's property every afternoon at the same time,

773
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: within five minute, and he says they went he was

774
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: so regular they named him Meta Musel. Then his brother

775
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: shot at the buck and missed it, and they never

776
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: saw it again. Man, I never saw it again. Got

777
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: plugged right up. But butch your feedback on tularemia. Also,

778
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: we found this out. Okay, a lot of feedback on tularemia,

779
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: because we're talking about two laremia, and Brody mentioned how

780
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: they they'll teach you all the time, and we even

781
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: mentioned this in our Wilderness Skills. But when we talk

782
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: about like the risk of tularemia UM, and we mentioned

783
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: that it's a common practice. You probably noticed, Robert, what

784
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: do you do with Steve Rabbit has to arema? You

785
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: tell me, I don't now. It was like this thing

786
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: he's supposed to look at the liver. I didn't know that.

787
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's probably good that you didn't. If there's a

788
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: thing like you can look at the liver and you're

789
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: looking for spots on the liver, and that would beative,

790
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: that would be indicative of toulremia. So a guy wrote

791
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: in UM he's a molecular microbiologist, studied toulremia and its

792
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: pathology on human cells, wrote his master's thesis onto aremia.

793
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: He went on to say this, as you know, and

794
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: he goes on to plug our own Wilderness Skills book,

795
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: as you know, and it may also be found a

796
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: meter's Guide to Wilderness Skills and survival. Well sero glandular

797
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: forms of the disease can be contracted by humans following

798
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: interaction with small rodents and laga morphs lagomars. People like

799
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: to say rabbits are rodents, rabs are not rodents, Rabbins

800
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: are lagomorph's. Rabbits and hairs are lagomorphs as well as

801
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: through mechanical and vector transmission by biting arthropods. So that's

802
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: the thing, Like when you're carrying a rabbit around, I

803
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: feel like we, I don't know what, weren't you guys

804
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: here and we did this thing. It was about the

805
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: guy that went to a dude who's selling He was

806
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: a Tonka truck enthusiast and bought old Tonka truck from

807
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: a guy on Craigslist, but also bought a rabbit and

808
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: brought the rabbit home. The rabbit scratch his daughter about

809
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: killed her. I heard about that, but yeah, this guy

810
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: rolled in to clarify some points about that stuff. So

811
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: if you kill a rabbit in the early season, in

812
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: the fall, and you're carrying that rabbit around and all

813
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden you realize he's got little mites, little

814
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: fleas biting your arm all the time. That's why, like

815
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: in the old days, I think still now We were

816
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: always tot you don't hunt rabbits until you've had a

817
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: good bunch of freezes. But it's funny because that doesn't

818
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: work in the south. So do you ever hear anything

819
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: that you don't kill rabbits till some point in the winter.

820
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: Hunters that would hang him in a tree. They'd shoot

821
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: him and hanging that tree and swing around the field,

822
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: come back two hours later, pick him up. Because as

823
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: as the body temperature left, a rabbit flas or jump off,

824
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: and we would and people would tell us, were kids

825
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: like that's why you like, oh, you don't hunt right,

826
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: you don't hunt rabbit stil January because as the cold

827
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: weather comes, it kills off the parasite load and there's less.

828
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm jumping on your arm and biting you so you

829
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: can get to laremia from cutting your hand and you

830
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: just get the bacteria in your hand, or the little

831
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: bug can jump and get you and bite you and

832
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: that can give you to aremi. He also points out,

833
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: in addition, inhalation of Francis Sella to the to Lorenus

834
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: to Lawrensis, Francis Cella to Lawrensis. He's given us the

835
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Linnaean name for this species, it's very problematic. Only a

836
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: few bacterium need to cause the pulmonary disease. And he

837
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: mentions that this is what happened. Remember, I was talking

838
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: about the person that hit a rabble of the lawnmower

839
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: that was in Martha's vineyard. On Martha's vineyard, someone hit

840
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: a dried out rabbit with a lawnmower inhaled and then

841
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: got to lorimi that way inhaled the bacteria and how

842
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: that was deadly for that person, right, the one I'm

843
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if the one they're talking about, but

844
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: the one I'm thinking of, the person died from it.

845
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: How deadly is it if you get a cut or

846
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: bit by one of the treatable treatable you don't want

847
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: your lungs. Goes on to say this, rabbits are famous

848
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: for uh, not showing sickness, not demonstrating sickness. Then also,

849
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm just dying. And he was saying, if you are

850
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: going around looking for tolremia by a cursory glance at

851
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: the liver, it's not a great idea to loremi infected

852
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: rabbits may this may um have necrotic tissue on the liver.

853
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: Spleen or lymph nodes. But this would be in late

854
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: stage disease and more than likely wouldn't be the indicator

855
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: that a rabbit was sick and shouldn't be eaten or

856
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: better yet, even handled, Meaning it's only at the last

857
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: minute that that shows up. In this country. One point

858
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: one percent of Laga morphs in the northern hemisphere have toularemia.

859
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty that's pretty high. I don't think so. Yeah,

860
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: every hundred rabbit you clean, be careful, he suggests, Um

861
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: the first nine, it's only gonna be the last YEA.

862
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: What he recommends here, He's like, at a minimum, handling

863
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: rabbits late light, latex or nitrile gloves. If you want

864
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: to go the next layer up, get a face mask. Oh,

865
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: wear a mask. Here's some of your equipment to take

866
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: your leftover COVID mass and pop put it on your face.

867
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: You're saying that, but he's saying, like, I, at a minimum,

868
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: wear gloves and long sleeves and hang your rabbits in

869
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: the tree. Did they care the plague do? I don't know,

870
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: but everything does. Yeah, but I know rodents, I've never

871
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: heard of rabbits. I know that a couple, a young

872
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: couple in Mongolia Um contracted plague from mormots eating marmot liver.

873
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: They were extracting marmot liver. I believe it's a popular dish.

874
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: Should feel like the really, the guy wrote in the

875
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: guy we had on the squirrel doctor. We had on

876
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: a squirrel doctor um who researched the squirrels. And he's

877
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: talking about the very impressive how squirrel nuts sacks swell

878
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: and shrink. You know what this yea like. Some days

879
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: you look at squirrels like, oh my gosh, he can't

880
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: bring his legs together, and other times they don't and

881
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: as it's breeding season comes, it swells. This guy rolled

882
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: in tok about how that's not uncommon. There's a monkey,

883
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: a vervet monkey that when it's ready to breed, not

884
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: only do they swell, they turned a brilliant blue. Whoa,

885
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: he was so impressed by the blue. He's going to

886
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: his local hardware store and have him do a color match.

887
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: He says he's gonna paint a wall in his house

888
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: with it. So what is he doing and bringing in

889
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: a picture of the like he wants to paint. He

890
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: wants monkeyball blue, he says, just a brilliant I want

891
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: to see the picture that he's bringing into the ace

892
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: hardware wherever he's going, because if it's a tight shot,

893
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if it's like a wide where

894
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: you see the monkey and everything, like, give me that. Yeah,

895
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: let me quiz you on something. Let's say you're gonna

896
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: transition as I am about to between that story and

897
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: albino porcupines, what would you go with? Are you gonna

898
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: give me an option? All right? There? There you go, Oh,

899
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: that is a beautiful blood be like, you know what,

900
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I'd be like, you know what doesn't have

901
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: a blue scroll? It is a white porcupine? Yeah, something

902
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: like that. Speaking of colors, that's what Krane thought would

903
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: be good. M Krane went with speaking of colors and

904
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: presenting the material that we've pulled together here uh albino porcupines.

905
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: We talked about an albino porcupine on the show that

906
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: a guy got a road found a road kill albino porcupine,

907
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: and supposedly cabella Is offered him what sixty dollars sixty

908
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: dollars for his albino porcupine. Apparently everybody every time Dick

909
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: and Harry on the planet's got an albino porcupine. We

910
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: heard from all kinds of them. Carl in Northern Minnesota

911
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: shot one while hunting, and he hasn't mounted. He hasn't mounted,

912
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: almost nibbling on moose antlers. Hilarious. He also has two

913
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: real nice walle i mounted there. Yeah, so the albino

914
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: porcupines are all over the damn place. Really, that's what holy?

915
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's a good percentage of them. That's incredible.

916
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: Did the guy steted for sixty before they did all

917
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: that research? What God is talking about? It was the

918
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: fact that uh he I. I find that it's like

919
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: a thing people say a lot, is that they were

920
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: offered exorbitant amounts of money for things by places like Capella's.

921
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: But I do know some cases where some people have

922
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: done some great transactions. Um, and we got talking about

923
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: is that really true? Because the first guy that had

924
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: an elpino porcupine, his old man turned down an offer

925
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: from Cabella's of sixty grand and then that let me believe,

926
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: like really really for road kills porcupine. But he could

927
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: be independent, independently wealthy. That's probably why they just got

928
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: bought by bass Pro because they're spending that much money

929
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: freaking it's like, good god man, Yeah, the diligence process.

930
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: So I haven't all that money, but you should have

931
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: seen the nuts on this squirrel. You just you dug

932
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: deep too. Yeah, we've paid half a meal for that one.

933
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: Uh worth it? Barwood is Robert. I'm learning all sorts

934
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: of No, we're gonna get too things. We're gonna get

935
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: something coming up soon that you'll be able to play on.

936
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: So we uh oh oh, no, oh no, I want

937
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: we want to talk about this one. First. I was

938
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: saying on the show, I don't know why I had

939
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: the idea, Robert, do you remember the Kiss song Beth, Beth,

940
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: I hear you're calling. I don't remember. I went into

941
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: heavy metal. Well, it's symphonic for starters if it's kiss.

942
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: I never listened to Kiss, so I don't remember the song. Yeah,

943
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to do I wanted to do a rewrite.

944
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't have time to do. I wanted to do

945
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: a rewrite that was instead of Beth, I hear you calling,

946
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: it was Seth, I hear you calling, And it was

947
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a turkey hunting song and a lot of

948
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: guys wrote in and wrote the song. So Hayden one

949
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: of our audio guys, and and Cal and then uh

950
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: Fill the engineer. They took the best lines from the

951
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: versions that came in and they have done Seth. I

952
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: hear you're calling, which will Phil. We'll share with you then.

953
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: I think in the end what we'll do is, instead

954
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: of the songs we normally use at the end of

955
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: the show, if you want to hear the whole Seth,

956
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: I hear you calling, then you want to hear a

957
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: little bit of it. You're here here, let me hear

958
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: you with it. You'll recognize it. Oh it's good, Setha,

959
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: here you call it. But we can't hunt birds at night.

960
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: The flip flop flesh shoes. Eager to use that turkey

961
00:57:52,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: con just right. Just a few hours and we leave Rouse.

962
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: I think I hear them call him, Seth. What can

963
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: I do? What can I do? Ut? Cal normally only Um,

964
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: not only Cal things a lot of Neil diamond. So

965
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: I was excited to see that Cal has um expanded. Yeah,

966
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: has expanded. A guy wrote in to say this. He says, Uh,

967
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: we're always talking about pot calls and strikers getting gunked. Up,

968
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: but we never talked about how to fix the problem.

969
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: He's a chemist, that's what he says. As the credentials

970
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: are and he says, as a chemist, here's my tip. Soaker,

971
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: section of clean paper, toweling pure non dyed acetone. Rub

972
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: it on the striker service or pot surface, making sure

973
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: to wet it well with the acetone, use mild four worse.

974
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: Then dry it with a fan or your cars a

975
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: c so that it's dry. Air. Repeat two more times.

976
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: This will remove the grime. Karin took this piece of

977
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: feedback to Jason Phelps. Phelps Game Calls. He was not

978
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: familiar with this hot tip. He tried it. He said

979
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: it works, but I don't know how much better it

980
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: works than just wiping it with a rag. Uh. Okay,

981
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: here's not here's a rule thing. Do we want to clarify.

982
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: We talked about a recent thing you're in in in

983
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: there are rules coming out again, like like laws saying

984
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: that you can't do the turkey hunting strategy of fanning

985
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: or reaping. And we were talking about, well, how do

986
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: you explain like how what is the legal ease or

987
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: what is the verbiage? Well, South Carolina, this was the

988
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: first year where it was illegal to use a tail

989
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: fan on public land. Yeah, and I was just curious, like,

990
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: how do they describe what's legal? It's what I have

991
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: right here. This this is one from South Carolina where

992
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: we're sitting right now. Um. Fanning slash reaping. So fanning

993
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: or reaping is defined as hunting or stalking wild turkeys

994
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: while holding or using for hunter concealment any of the

995
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: following items. A tail fan, a partial or full decoy

996
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: with a tail fan, or a tail fan mounted to

997
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: a firearm. Tail fans include those made of real or

998
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: synthetic feathers, or an image or likeness of a tail

999
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: fan applied to any material. This regulation does not prohibit

1000
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: the use of mail decoys or decoys with tail fans

1001
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: that are placed away from a hunter. So pretty clear

1002
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: they did a good job of explaining it. Yeah, I

1003
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: thought they did, because I mean, if you're hunting on

1004
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: public land, you don't. You don't have a tail fan

1005
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: with you, period, you just don't. But if you're not

1006
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: on private land, you're fine. Legally, you're fine. Yeah, what

1007
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: do you do you know? Is it more like they're

1008
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: heading off trouble or is there already been trouble. I'm

1009
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: not as up on that subject as I was ten

1010
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: years ago when I was with the National Wild Turkey Federation,

1011
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: But I have not hurt any incidents where the there

1012
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: was a problem with somebody being shot because they were

1013
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: hunting with a tail fan. There. We we've had some

1014
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: come in. I don't know, but I hadn't heard with

1015
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: this state. But yeah, there's been a number of cases. Yeah,

1016
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: So so that's that's the reasoning. I know when this

1017
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: started coming up eight years ago when I was with

1018
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: the Turkey Federation, there was debates, that was discussion among

1019
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: the biologists about this, and then I went to work

1020
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: for the long Leaf Alients and kind of got away

1021
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: from the hunter access, hunter incident, hunter accidents um on

1022
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: public land. I mean it, you know, it's another it's

1023
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: another way to get shot. We're talking about geting shop before.

1024
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: But the tail fans are um. I would I would

1025
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: never use it where there's rifles available. I mean, you

1026
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: ever see those ones where it's a hat. No, yeah,

1027
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: they make it that it's a tail fan mounted to

1028
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: your hat. Let's put some deer owlers up there for

1029
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: the fall. I mean, that's that's not smart. But you know,

1030
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful. I don't know, but like I've viewed,

1031
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: I've used that for sure. I've crawled up on turkeys

1032
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: and start the shotgun barrel out between the feathers of

1033
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: the fan trigger. You gotta be careful where you're using

1034
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: it and how are you using it, Like anything else.

1035
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of decoy shot that

1036
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: didn't have a tail fan. You just have to you

1037
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. You gotta be careful. You gotta be careful.

1038
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful. How you put your boot up

1039
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: on a stump you get shot, don't put it up.

1040
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: Don't put it up on a stump like a turkey

1041
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: fan and out. Uh, Robert, you know what I wanted

1042
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: to tell you? What I wanted you to tell me, Um,

1043
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like I told this story before and

1044
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: messed it up. But can you share with me the

1045
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: story about the guy in Mexico? Yeah, that when they

1046
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: were arranging to get Gould's tell that story. Yeah, So

1047
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: we were trapping goold turkeys in Mexico when I was

1048
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: with the Turkey Federation. We were working with Arizona gamed

1049
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: Fish and US Fish and Wildlife Service APIs Animal Animal

1050
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: Plant Health Inspection Service because we were bringing poultry across

1051
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: an international border into Arizona, and we were down in

1052
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: the Sierramadre trapping turkeys, and we were working with a

1053
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: local um guide who knew all the landowners. And the

1054
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: deal we had worked out with him is for every

1055
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: landowner that lets us trap a turkey on their property,

1056
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: we'll give him a hundred bucks for that turkey, because

1057
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: the whole problem of getting the google s. While turkeys

1058
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: they're they're not very many in Arizona, New Mexico, which

1059
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: is where they were found down in the Sky Islands.

1060
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: And we were down there and one of the other

1061
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: one of the other biologist, Bobby madre Um I was

1062
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: down there the week before I was, and he was

1063
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: setting stuff up and then I was coming down. But

1064
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: we had one rancher that they had contracted with. Were

1065
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: you guys flying in and out? Both we were driving

1066
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: and we were flying out. How are you moving the turkeys? Both?

1067
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes driving, sometimes flying? When I was down there work

1068
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: and we flew I can't remember it was thirty birds,

1069
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: but we flew about thirty birds across the border in

1070
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: small aircraft and we had a little bit of a

1071
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: challenge with that too. That's another story, but that one next. Okay, well,

1072
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: remind me about that small aircraft a crossing the international

1073
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: border from Mexico. And uh so, so this rancher every

1074
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: day for you know, a couple of months. Every so

1075
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: if he would walk up to his property six or

1076
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: seven miles out of the little the little town of Yaka,

1077
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: he'd walked up there with two five gallon buckets of

1078
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: corn and bait the turkeys where we were going to

1079
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: trap him. And we went up there and man, his

1080
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: place was wrapped up with turkeys. We caught thirty six turkeys.

1081
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: And so when Bobby started paying the guy thirty six

1082
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: hundred dollars in US one all bills, thirty six hundred bucks,

1083
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: he started crying. It was it was like no, no, no,

1084
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: it's too much, it's way too much. And of course

1085
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: he was speaking Spanish that we didn't understand. We were

1086
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: speaking English, and we had a translator, and something's getting

1087
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: lost in the translation. And finally we figured out that

1088
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: he had been working for us for two months debate

1089
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: those turkeys so that we could go trap him with

1090
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: the expectation of getting a hundred dollars for trapping on

1091
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: his property, and we were giving him a hundred dollars

1092
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: a bird, and we taught thirty six turkeys. He got

1093
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: thirty six when he realized that, he started crying, and

1094
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: we found out later that that was enough to go

1095
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: buy enough cattle to start his cattle herd on this

1096
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: high mountain ranch in this here Madres. That's pretty cool.

1097
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of money for wildlife and and

1098
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: the poaching of turkeys during that time period in that

1099
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: town and in that surrounding mountain range when we were

1100
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: in there trapping ended nobody was selling turkeys in the

1101
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: market for three dollars but that but when we were

1102
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: flying them out. So we had another biologist in the

1103
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: US that was meeting the plane and we were we were,

1104
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, talking on cell phones, saying, okay, the planes

1105
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: planes getting ready to come in, and and the border

1106
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: patrol is sitting there watching on their radar and said,

1107
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: we'll see a plane. We'll see a plane. And the

1108
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: guys saying, no, we're crossing the border right now, we're

1109
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: coming in. We're coming in. And and apparently the pilot

1110
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: we had hired to cross the border didn't know how

1111
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: to fly above a hundred feet and so when he

1112
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: crossed the border, he came in under radar and and

1113
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: then came in and landed, and the plane had to

1114
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,959
Speaker 1: land in a little circle. They directed, okay, you gotta

1115
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: land over there. And then border patrol comes up with

1116
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: the with the sniffer dogs and everything, and they had

1117
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: a Labrador Treever that was a sniffer dog, and they

1118
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: tell us Bobby told the story that sniffer dog went

1119
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: berserk on that plane. Turkey says he was full of turkeys,

1120
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: not cocaine, not marijuana, not any kind of drugs. And

1121
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: when they opened the door, there was a breast feather

1122
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: that flew out of the door, because you know the turkeys.

1123
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: It flew out of the door, and that dog caught

1124
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: it on his nose and just sucked it right against

1125
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: it is the best smell he'd ever had. And then

1126
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: they let us go. Uh, there's are two things I

1127
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: want you explained. You've been explaining to me down here.

1128
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: Is um explain the dog hunt thing around here for

1129
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: deer on the whole thing about the Department Energy and

1130
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: all that stuff, real quick, however long you want to

1131
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: spend on it. Well, this is fascinating, man, I had

1132
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: no idea this went on. So dog hunting in south

1133
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: is traditional, it's been around that part. But we go on.

1134
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: So when um, the deer population start to start to

1135
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: increase on Savanna riversite, one of the things that they

1136
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: did is they had dog hunts and still hunts. But

1137
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: but you gotta explain what the site is. Oh, the

1138
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: Spanner Risites two thousand acre UM Federal facility Department of

1139
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: Energy that was administered by the U. S Stomic Energy Commission,

1140
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: and so since the nineteen fifties it was making radioactive

1141
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: material for the use on atomic weapons. And they moved,

1142
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: like this is a crazy story man, in the fifties,

1143
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: how to the Cold War, Like there's no debating whether

1144
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: this is important business or not. Moved declared this area

1145
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: that that's what this is for, and moved twenty thousand people.

1146
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: You're just like, your farm is not here anymore. It's

1147
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: now over there, your town, We're moving your town over

1148
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: to their right. New Ellington, Dunbarton, Patterson Mill, all these

1149
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 1: little towns in the nineteen fifties. I don't know, I

1150
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: don't remember if it was two years or three years

1151
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: to get out, but they were condemned and that was

1152
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: that was part of the deal. That's how they I mean,

1153
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: this is all this isn't. This isn't the West where

1154
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: you got a lot of national forests and you got

1155
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: you got BLM land, you got federal land. It's all

1156
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: private land. And they wanted two hundred thousand acres, you know,

1157
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: basically a circle so you could put the reactors in

1158
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: the middle of it. So you had a five mile buffer.

1159
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: And they condemned the property, took the property and paid

1160
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: the people. You know. But it's like, if you want

1161
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: your house moved, will move of it. If it's here,

1162
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: we're burning it, tearing it down, burning cemeteries. If they

1163
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: can find a descendant who's alive, will dig up the

1164
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: bodies and move it. If not, it stays. Yeah. Yeah,

1165
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: So there's a little out And then hired, then hired

1166
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: twenty five people had to come in and build the

1167
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: reactors Billy reactors at the time. And then they had

1168
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: and they had to plant all the agricultural fields. So

1169
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: the ventilation on the reactors was, as I understand it,

1170
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: it was forced air ventilation and you couldn't have dust,

1171
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: and so all these agricultural fields all the pine trees

1172
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: on Savannar River site. I don't right now, it's been

1173
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: too long. I don't remember how many tens of thousands

1174
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: of acres of agricultural fields on the site, and the U. S.

1175
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: Far Service was brought into plant the fields, plant all

1176
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: the trees, and for three years they planted trees. They

1177
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: planted slash lolli and long leaf pine to get something

1178
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: growing on that land so they wouldn't have dust storms

1179
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: and because there were no longer any crops on it,

1180
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: and it was the largest tree plant in operation in

1181
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: the United States at that time. It took all the

1182
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: trees from the Southeast for either two or three years

1183
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: and directed him to the Spinnery River site to plant

1184
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, a hundred thousand acres. I can't remember.

1185
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: That's a nuts story, man, Yeah, it's it's it's an

1186
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: interesting site. And you were talking about the deer hunting,

1187
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: so you're like, it's like the weirdest sort of rewilding

1188
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: process and the and the deer um. I had read

1189
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: a wildlife survey from the from nine fifty two UM

1190
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: and there were not very many deer. I remember the turkeys.

1191
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: They estimated there were twelve turkeys on the property two acres.

1192
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: There weren't hardly any deer, but with this rewilding, the

1193
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: deer populations began to increase. Eventually had deer car collisions,

1194
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: and that it was the justification to start hunting the site.

1195
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: And they had still hunting and dog hunting, and then

1196
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: the still hunting was outlawed in I came was outlawed

1197
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: in the eighties, sometime in the nineteen eighties, and they

1198
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: went to just dog hunts, and you would get drawn

1199
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: for a dog hunt as a standard or you would

1200
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: be a dog man that would bring a helper and

1201
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: six dogs and then you would you would have a

1202
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: dog hunt. But they put the standards out a hundred

1203
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: standards a day, nine hundred feet apart and turn the

1204
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 1: dogs loose. Yeah, it's crazy because you told me my

1205
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: dial was red hot. But then you told me a

1206
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: lot more about this that you're not telling everybody. Now,

1207
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody all the parts. Which what

1208
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: am I leaving out? That they take the hunters like

1209
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: you apply to go hunt. Oh yeah, yeah, so so

1210
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: now ten person minivan used to be school buses right now.

1211
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: It used to be school buses or or you know

1212
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: big buses and now and now it's small buses. And

1213
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, you ten person vans and you drop them

1214
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: out nine feet apart. And then you got a guy

1215
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: that runs around, picks up a dead deer and carries

1216
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: him over and designated skinner, got a designated gutter and

1217
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm skinning he got them, puts him in a refrigerator

1218
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: truck so the meat dunge, boil and at the end

1219
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: of the day, and then you got dog men. Yeah, wait,

1220
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: but does anybody know each other? Like how does this work? Man?

1221
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: Because you're randomly you're randomly distributed. Now that now the

1222
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: look of the draw about where they make you get

1223
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: out of the van, so you could get paired with

1224
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: somebody everybody has Yeah, yeahs are illegal his buckshot only

1225
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: the dog men have generally been doing this for years

1226
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: and years and years because once once they know they

1227
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: have a highly qualified hunter with good dogs, as long

1228
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: as he wants the hunt, he comes. If somebody drops

1229
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: out with twenty five helpers, six dogs of peace, all

1230
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: turned loose, and and then you got all those dudes

1231
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: in the vans distributed around with buckshot to get everything

1232
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: stirred up. Dude, what was the thoughts, amazing hunt to

1233
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: get rid of the still hunting. Hunting. They just don't

1234
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: want it doesn't make a good story. It doesn't make

1235
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: a good story. The guy got killed, so yeah, he

1236
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: got killed. So they were they were, they had to

1237
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: still they had still hunting. And as I understand it,

1238
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: he went in before daylight and climbed up in the

1239
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: tree stand, had had a climber, had some country stand up.

1240
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: It was either I think it was in the eighties,

1241
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember when it was in the eighties. And um,

1242
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: as he was sitting his stand before daylight, there were

1243
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: other hunters coming into the woods and he could see flashlights,

1244
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: he could see people climbing the tree stand and uh,

1245
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: but that's not a still hunt, that's an ambush. Well

1246
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: that's climbing. Yeah, hunting out of a tree. I mean

1247
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: down here they call it still hunt. Really, you don't

1248
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: know what still hunting is down here? Yeah, they call

1249
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: it still hunt. You know what still hunting is. Yeah,

1250
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: you're slipping through the woods, you're walking still huntings where

1251
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: he sits still, And you don't sit still when you're

1252
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: still hunting, right, when you're still hunting, you move right.

1253
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: You're sitting still, that's ambush hunt. Well, if you're still

1254
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: hunting in the south, then you move, you fall out

1255
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: of a trick. Then you gotta called Doug Durn. Then

1256
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 1: you gotta called Doug during and asked him what the

1257
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: mooch is. It's yeah, it's it's it's sort of a

1258
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: combo of still hunting and stand hunting. It's a move.

1259
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: They had to come over the Hall of their words

1260
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 1: to describe this method. But this guy, this guy decidurday,

1261
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: we don't want to get it. And they suspect this.

1262
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean they don't know what for a fact, but

1263
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: they suspect it because right at sunrise he climbed out

1264
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: of his tree, started to walk out, and he got

1265
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: He got shot and he got He was carrying a

1266
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: stand on his back. He got shot in the back

1267
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: and he turned around the second shot, so I think

1268
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: it shot once. He got shot twice and he got killed.

1269
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: And that was the end of still hunting on on

1270
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: the Savaner side, and they went to dog hunting only

1271
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: after that. Let me tell you some more interesting stuff, Chris,

1272
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: that Robert shared with me earlier. Got my dial. You

1273
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: don't budge when they drop you off if you get

1274
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: a hit and gotta track it, they come track it

1275
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: for you, or a dog man will come. Yeah. Wait,

1276
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: so lay this out for me. They dropped the hunter,

1277
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. They dropped the hunters off and it

1278
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: designated spot nine ft apart from each other. They do

1279
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: not move now, that don't move. They stay right there

1280
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: and so they're waiting for the dog to drive the

1281
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: deer to Is it like a deer drive. It's a

1282
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: deer drives. I mean, but that's traditional. That's that's not

1283
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: a different than all the southern States and Ontario, Canada.

1284
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: Also they hunt with dogs. So they just pushed the deer.

1285
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: One thing. But this is a whole. This is like

1286
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: the organization to this and I'm not dogging on it.

1287
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: I would do it right now if I couldn't. And

1288
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: it's extremely effective. And that was why they did it,

1289
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: because you know, a still hunter, the guy sitting in

1290
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: a tree stand the average success in a in a

1291
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: You put a hundred still hunters in the woods, tenem,

1292
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill You put a hundred hunters in the

1293
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: woods with dogs on these hunts, you're gonna kill fifty deer.

1294
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: Now that was before Kayat so the is a crazy story.

1295
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: Now this is where this story starts to make its

1296
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: own gravy here. Yeah, so that was before the hunts

1297
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: in the eighties and the early nineties killed a bout

1298
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: a thousand deer on the Savanna River out of two acres,

1299
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: and then the numbers started dropping about I'm not sure

1300
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: when late nineties. John Kilgo would not and um, the

1301
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: late nineties, we're gonna get this guy on the show.

1302
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: But you can preview all this. Yeah, so the numbers

1303
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: started dropping and everybody says, you know, why why are

1304
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: we not killing the bucks. Well, on one of the

1305
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: one of the hunts, the scanner was talking to buy

1306
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: oologists and he's going, he said, you know, I'm killing

1307
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: six month old deer this year this fall. You know,

1308
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: dear born in spring fall, there's six months old. We

1309
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: have killed six month old deer this year or today.

1310
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: And they killed about a hundred deer a day. And

1311
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: he said, no, that's crazy about what you kill is

1312
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: younger the gear, it's the this is six month old deer.

1313
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: And uh. They went back and looked at the data

1314
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: and it's like we've killed two and then went back

1315
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 1: to the weekend before to see how many they killed,

1316
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: and it was two or three or four. There were

1317
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: no funds, No funds were being were no funds were

1318
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: entering the population. In the follow of the year, they

1319
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: were gone. They were gone by the fall of the year.

1320
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: And so that's when US four Service came along and

1321
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: started doing some radio telemetry work by putting intry uter

1322
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: and devices into the uterus of the does and which

1323
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: he gave birth. The fond would come out and the

1324
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: transmitter would come out and go into mortality mode. So

1325
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: when that transmitter quit moving with the movement of the dough,

1326
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: it would stop and after an hour of no movement

1327
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: or two hours of no movement, it would start ticking

1328
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: and they would go in. And you know, the fawns

1329
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: are just tiny at that time. You catch them, put

1330
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: a put a collar on. They dispatch out like grand

1331
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: students field or something to go scour the woods. I

1332
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: didn't know they could even do that. Oh yeah, we

1333
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: saw them. We find him hunting Morrel's No then, really

1334
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: like the no no, no, sorry fawns. Yeah, yeah, like

1335
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: brand brand new funds. Yeah, you can reach that and

1336
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: pick them up. I mean, that's why you're not supposed

1337
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: to because you can't. They they're just I mean, only

1338
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: this big. People think you're crazy when you say they're

1339
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: they're literally you know, the size of a ham there,

1340
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: smaller than my dad's buddy had a fish bowl, uh

1341
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: his body, Eugene Grots had this fish bowl. In this

1342
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: fish bowl he had was full of from alde hide

1343
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: and had two white tail fawns curled up in a

1344
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: fish bowl sitting on the counter as a decoration, had

1345
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: like a cap on it. Yeah, but in his house.

1346
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Man. We just when we were kids that

1347
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: we stare at that thing NonStop. Wow, it's gorgeous, beautifully done.

1348
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: So the first year, the first year they put radio

1349
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: collars on, it was about ten years ago. So i'm

1350
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm I don't have all the date on the tip

1351
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: of my tongue, but my memory tells me that they

1352
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: put radio collars on seventeen fawns and within two weeks,

1353
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: fifteen of them are dead. And well, back up, maybe

1354
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that fish bowl. So I'll make

1355
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: sure everybody's the listeners are getting this. So you covered

1356
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 1: this right, that the sensor passes out, goes into more clicks.

1357
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: Then you go out and hunt around and find the fawn,

1358
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: put a radio collar on, like a full on collar, yeah,

1359
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 1: on the neck, put that collar on it, and then

1360
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: wait for that to have a mortality signal. Right, and

1361
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,919
Speaker 1: then when that one has mortality, you go in determine

1362
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: why the fawn died. And within two weeks, and you know,

1363
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: John may come on and say, now he's got it

1364
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: all wrong. It was within three weeks, or I remember

1365
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: it being within two weeks, the fifteen of the seventeen

1366
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: fauns were dead, and fourteen do by Coats and one

1367
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: by Bob Kat, which we never had Coats here in

1368
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: the in the eighties. They didn't show up to the nineties.

1369
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: So this is a new predator in a new system,

1370
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden this is happening to the

1371
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: fun production. Well, you couldn't you couldn't kill dose. If

1372
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: you had that kind of depredation on your on your

1373
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: dare population, there's there's you wouldn't have it. You wouldn't

1374
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: have any deer. And so some of the hunt clubs started,

1375
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, well, maybe we don't need to kill as

1376
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: many does, or maybe we don't need to do this

1377
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 1: and and or do win need to bring in a coyote,

1378
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: trapper or what do we what do we need to do?

1379
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: What do we need to do? And the research I

1380
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,440
Speaker 1: haven't kept up with the research, but the research has continued.

1381
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: And it's not true all over the South. It's weird,

1382
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: it's in it's in some areas. Coyotes have become extremely

1383
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: effective predators on fonds, extremely effective, and that is new

1384
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: to the South because we did not have cotes in

1385
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: the South. The big predator in the South was red wolves.

1386
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: They got wiped out a long time ago, except for

1387
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: coastal Louisiana coastal Texas, and that was maybe in the

1388
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: seventies that red wolves were all captured and put into

1389
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: a captive breeding program to keep them from going extinct,

1390
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: and then re released on Bull's Island, South Carolina and

1391
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: on Alligator River National Wilife Refuge in eastern North Carolina.

1392
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,839
Speaker 1: So the big mega predator in the East disappeared hundreds

1393
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: of years ago and they're back. I mean, we can

1394
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: my SunShot one ky weight forty four pounds. I don't

1395
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: know if that's a big cut or a little cute,

1396
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: but it seemed big to me. Um, they had big

1397
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: old choppers, but that was you know, that's that's what

1398
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: it was. It was just interesting. Here was this issue

1399
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: that came up because the skinner on a hunt said, hey,

1400
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: there's something going on here. The biology started talking with

1401
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: him and started looking at him. It raised a question.

1402
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: They went out and did research, came up with some

1403
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: preliminary answers. But as most of your viewers are gonna say,

1404
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: it was only seventeen deer. That's the stample size is

1405
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: too small. And that's true. But it raised a question,

1406
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: and then they started doing more research, more research and

1407
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 1: more research, and so it's been going on about ten

1408
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: years now. And the hunt began as a management tool

1409
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: because there was too many deer running around. Right, they're

1410
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: not killing a thousand deer now. But now everybody likes

1411
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: the process. Yeah, so they want they want. Yeah, it's

1412
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: it's it's not going away. I mean, it's it's a

1413
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a public hunt. If you want to if you

1414
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: want to hunt, you put in. If you get drawn,

1415
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: you hunt. Is it still a nuclear facility now? Uh,

1416
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: it is still nuclear facility and it's pretty much in

1417
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,839
Speaker 1: clean up mode. Got you yea? How do they determine?

1418
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: So do you get your own deer? Oh? Yeah, it's

1419
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: tag when comes in it is you're giving your you know,

1420
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: you gotta go get your back. Yeah, you get your

1421
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: dear back. You know how you guys call you know,

1422
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: still hunting. You know what I means, slipping through the woods.

1423
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Real quiet. But you're saying sitting in the stand, why

1424
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: do you call it gutter? A skinner? I just did.

1425
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can't. Yeah, he was a gutter.

1426
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: You can't defend that. No, I can't defend that he

1427
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: was a gutter. I mean he didn't skin the deer.

1428
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: Skinner sounds more noble. Yeah, my daddy was a skinner.

1429
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I was mistaken. He was a gutter. Yeah, I like skinner.

1430
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: What do they managed that property for? Well, it's an

1431
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: ecological research park in addition to this, so they do

1432
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of ecological research on it. UM. A

1433
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of the University's, University Georgia Clempson, University of South Carolina, UM,

1434
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the A lot of universities do research

1435
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: on it because it's it's got gays, it's protected, your

1436
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: scientific equipment doesn't get disturbed. You can go out there

1437
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: and and it's done some ground, groundbreaking research for you.

1438
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: Know that you could run for twenty years and not

1439
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: have your you know, still go to the same spot

1440
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: and it's not turned into a subdivision. It's still still

1441
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: like that. That's cool. Anything else, seth, No, go ahead, man,

1442
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: That's all I had. And will it stay as its

1443
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: current designation? Is kind of like a wildlife Is there

1444
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: any plans to They talk about it all the time.

1445
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: What's what's gonna become the site? There's yeah. I went

1446
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: into public when I when I worked out there between

1447
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: ninety and nine. I go to public meetings and there'd

1448
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: be at least one old guy. Two old guys stand

1449
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: up at the public meetings and say, I want my

1450
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: lamb back. You're not generating you know, nuclear radio new

1451
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: clads anymore. You're not generating radioactive material. I want my

1452
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: farm back. So I would totally understand that if it

1453
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: was my arm. But I'm so happy. Like every time

1454
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: you had to drive, like yeah, I used to on

1455
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: that it would be terrible. But I think it's just

1456
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: if you can imagine just various places, it's just nice

1457
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: to have a chunk like that. It's a big chuckle land.

1458
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: It is, man, and I'm not And it's like the

1459
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not putting the farmer has a broken egg,

1460
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: but like you know, breaking eggs, making omelets, all that

1461
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Like I understand, man, but it is

1462
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: just in two generations because because you're at the time,

1463
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: at the time is probably presented as your patriotic duty. Yeah, right,

1464
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: was right after right after the Second World War. And

1465
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: then that ends. You're like, okay, cool, I'm an American

1466
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: and I understand. We gotta eat the Rooskies and then

1467
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: that all ends, and he kind of gotta be like, okay,

1468
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: I know, so it's not the Russians anymore. In my mind,

1469
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: having intact ecological systems is also our patriotic duty, which

1470
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: I know I'm just getting into. I'm offering the as

1471
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 1: you as you said, the very understandable perspective of the

1472
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: individual who has removed from his property. I know what,

1473
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: dude head is farm taking by eminent domain for golf course.

1474
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: No way would I allow that to happen. I know,

1475
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I would be the crazy guy hold up in the house,

1476
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: talk about a chap ass over that one man he

1477
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: has to go by and see like a bunch of

1478
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: people where and the domain over a golf course. I

1479
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: would make everyone you know what, I'd give that guy's

1480
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: place back and then make all those people that ever

1481
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: played golf on there be his farm hands for no compensation. Really.

1482
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh it's terrible. Oh my god, it's a war on Christmas.

1483
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: Like my dad used to hunt geese there and all

1484
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: sorts of water founder all sort of in China, the

1485
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: holdouts they call him, they call him nail houses. I

1486
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: don't know, but like somebody that refuses in a big development,

1487
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 1: everybody else will sell, but they'll refuse, and they'll just

1488
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: be like they're little golf course. Yeah goodness. Yeah, that's

1489
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: a damn shame. I'd rather be a mini golf course. Yeah,

1490
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like, at least tell me it's put putt golf.

1491
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's a travesty. Okay, Robert, you ready to switch gears?

1492
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: We can. You gotta tell everybody all about long leaf pines. Okay.

1493
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: So in the South they dominant pine spaces. The dominant

1494
01:28:55,439 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: ecosystem in four was long leaf pine. Um. It's a

1495
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 1: tree that grows three fifty four hundred years. Most people

1496
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: that don't that aren't foresters or botanists, and they're looking

1497
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: at a pine. It's pine. It's pine tree. They can't

1498
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: tell the difference. I didn't know that. I want to

1499
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: school for it. So in the South we've got a

1500
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: bunch of different pines, but the two most common one

1501
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: three most common ones are slash, lab lolli and long leave.

1502
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: And oh, when you said slash slash pine, I thought

1503
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: you meant it was some kind of like a cultivar. No, No,

1504
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: it's a species, is thought. I think you meant like

1505
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: a hybrid, and you're seeing slash like like slash hyphen

1506
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: or something that's a species. Species. So we've got three

1507
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: that are we got more species in that we got

1508
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: white pines, and we've got spruce pines, but the slash,

1509
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: lob lollie and long leave for the three important commercial pines.

1510
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: So before settlement and and really up to nineteen hundred,

1511
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,959
Speaker 1: the long leaf pine was one of the dominant species.

1512
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: In fact, we think that it probably covered about ninety

1513
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: two million acres in the South based on the habitat

1514
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: and the soils and where we think it grew. By

1515
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty it was way below half and by nineteen

1516
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: let's see nine nine, it was down to three million acres.

1517
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 1: Because of what good question. The first thing was cutting

1518
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: it down, UM, make turpentine out of it. You would

1519
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: you would bark the trees draining of turpentine. And during

1520
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: the wooden ships industry, that's what you used to calk

1521
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: the ships was tar. Was rope or calking that had

1522
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: been soaked in tar and then hammered between those boards

1523
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: to keep it from leaking. Um. So when you're when

1524
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: you're getting that material out, so so the long leaf

1525
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: sap produces what rosin and well the sap comes out

1526
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 1: you you you bleed the tree and that's that's fatal

1527
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: to the tree eventually, eventually, eventually, but they would leave. Um,

1528
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: they might box the tree. Is called box on a tree.

1529
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: You might box the tree on both sides. Because a

1530
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: really big tree you might put three boxes on it.

1531
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: I've seen one stump that had four boxes and they

1532
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: would leave maybe a three inch strip of bark between

1533
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: the boxes. So the tree wouldn't die. So as long

1534
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: as it as long as it had something where the

1535
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: flow them and the xyleum would connect from the roots

1536
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: to the to the needles and needles to the roots

1537
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: that be in exchange and tree could survive. The tree

1538
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: could live. To see how he gestured towards Seth when

1539
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: he said flomansylum over your head and yeah, Chris don't

1540
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: know it at home. Robert didn't be very very sort

1541
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: of like a like a little gesture, now this is

1542
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: over everyone a little, that little moment there about the

1543
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: zooman them. So after you tapped the tree, uh, there

1544
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: would be a period of time where they would produce

1545
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: the crop and a crop of turpentine, crop of sap

1546
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: that you would then processed into turpentine. Okay, I want

1547
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: to I want to get this right. Um. That goes

1548
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: on for so long, but the tree dies. Yeah, eventually

1549
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: it dies. And if we get cut it get cut down.

1550
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: And generally you didn't turn that that face into lumber.

1551
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: And I say, generally they would cut the tree down,

1552
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: cut that face off, leaves the face in the woods.

1553
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Oh you mean the part that was all the scarred

1554
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: from the boxed section. Uh, leave it in the woods,

1555
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 1: and cut the upper part into timber heart pine, timber

1556
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: red heart, timber um. But it's kind of interesting on

1557
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: if you own that land, you weren't gonna waste those trees.

1558
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: So you went ahead and sought out those butt logs.

1559
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: And we've we've located east four or two by four's

1560
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: in my grandmother's house that was built that actually has

1561
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: the cut marks on it from the now. So my

1562
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,919
Speaker 1: grandfather when he cut the trees taken to the sawmill,

1563
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 1: he didn't leave that butt log laying in the woods.

1564
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 1: He hauled at the sawmill and he sawed it up

1565
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: into two by fours And there's only one you can see,

1566
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: but if you go up in the attic, there's two

1567
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: others of the ceiling choices that that has the cat

1568
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: face on it where they cut it out of the trail, Yeah,

1569
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: which is really cool. And then they use them for

1570
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: fence posts because they don't rot. They last forever. We've

1571
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: got fence posts have been in the ground. This year

1572
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: will be a hundred years they've been in the ground. Yeah,

1573
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: they've gone through here. They've gone through two or three

1574
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: um metal fences. The metal, the metal doesn't last long.

1575
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: And they have big camps. Yeah, the turpentine camps this

1576
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: stuff right, And that was that was uh yeah forever

1577
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: because it's out in the booneties. I mean, you go

1578
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: where the trees are. It wasn't something you could bring

1579
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: into town to do. And so you'd have the folks

1580
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: out there tapping the trees and and processing it out

1581
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: in out in the camp. Robert was explaining to me

1582
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: how they needed labor right and they made vagrancy laws,

1583
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 1: so you were highly encouraged to go work in the

1584
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: turpentine camp. If you didn't have a job, you could

1585
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: be picked up for vagrancy. Had to have a job

1586
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 1: against the law and not have a job, no loitering.

1587
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: If you get picked up for vagrancy, you go to prison.

1588
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: When you're in prison, you get rented out to the

1589
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 1: turpentine camp. Oh god, dude, the choices or turpentine camp

1590
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: for turpentine camp, won't wat you're going to the camp.

1591
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 1: You're going down to work. It was bad and that

1592
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: that really that that program didn't peter out until the

1593
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: Second World War, and when there were so many jobs

1594
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: during the Second World War. Uh, they could they could

1595
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: get out of the camps, and they could they could

1596
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: go they had options. They could work at the naval shipyards.

1597
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: So what do you call what trips out of the

1598
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: longleaf pine and SAP. Yeah, I don't know if that's

1599
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 1: exactly the correct term. I may be mistaken on that,

1600
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: but it's SAP. It's pine, sap pitch, but there's they

1601
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: make a bunch of products from it, right that it's

1602
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: basically tar, pitch and turpentine, and they were all used

1603
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: in the naval industry. Then the naval stores they called

1604
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: naval stores. Of course when I went through school, it's

1605
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: like what was the number one export in colonial North Carolina?

1606
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: And I was born in North Carolina? Those naval stores. Good,

1607
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: you got that correct, But nobody knew what naval story.

1608
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Teach you what naval stores were. That was just the

1609
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: question on the test when you were in the eighth grade.

1610
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: But the naval stores was the tar pitch and turpentine

1611
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 1: that allowed the ships to be waterproof and resistant to

1612
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: marine worms that could bore through the bottom of the

1613
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:01,560
Speaker 1: wooden ship. It would waterproof the rope, it would waterproof

1614
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: the Tarpolians. The word Tarpolian had tar on it. Um.

1615
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: You still see that in old h if you're reading

1616
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: like old books, how two books and wilderness travel books.

1617
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: The last time about getting it, always thought it was

1618
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: pronounced tarpaulin. Yeah, but like t A R p A

1619
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: U l I N And it's taken now or just

1620
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 1: to mean like I remember, uh, like guys, my dad's

1621
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,879
Speaker 1: age would even call plastic tarp a tartet, blue tart hurricane.

1622
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: The bruise are all covered in blue tarts. Yeah, but

1623
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: they called a tarpaulin, right, And so then the so

1624
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: you so you asked why how did we lose all

1625
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: the long ly? So we used him until we used

1626
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: them up. Every time somebody needed to grow a field

1627
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: of corn, you had to cut trees down. Corn won't

1628
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: grow in the shade, and so you cut the trees

1629
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: down and cut them up, build your house like my

1630
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: grandfather did, and then you can plant your corn crop

1631
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: or eat a back or crop or whatever. And then

1632
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, um the pulp mills came to

1633
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the south and lah blah pine could produce more pulp

1634
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: faster and more timber faster on an acre land than

1635
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: long leaf was. So they would cut out the long

1636
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: leaf and convert long leaf to lovellli And that was

1637
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: pretty much the death now because the landowner could make

1638
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the landowner could grow the same sized tree could grow

1639
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: the landowner. Like where we were hunting those trees that

1640
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: were twenty inches in diameter, but thirty eight year old trees,

1641
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 1: they were love blally pine. To get a thirty eight

1642
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: to get a inch long leaf might take two d years.

1643
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: And so why would the landowner plant of species that

1644
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: he would never see return on if he can plant

1645
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 1: a species that he can get three or four returns

1646
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: on in his lifetime. And people, people were whacking them,

1647
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: and then you as more and more of them were cut.

1648
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: The wildlife that was dependent upon that coast system, the

1649
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: red cockaded woodpecker, the gopher toward us, the indigo snake

1650
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: down in Georgia and Florida, they became more and more

1651
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: and more rare. And the red cockaded pine or the

1652
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: red cockaded woodpecker was actually one of the first um

1653
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: species put on the endangered species list. So when they

1654
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: organized the first h endangered Species list, the r CW

1655
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: was on it because there the habitat was disappearing so rapidly.

1656
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: We met. We don't need to get into who this is,

1657
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: but we hunted on a property of a woman who

1658
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: was right eighty six years old. They used to run

1659
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: cattle when she was young, as in her forties, I

1660
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: guess they quit running cattle and her her and her

1661
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: husband went out and she hand planted every tray on

1662
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: that property. How many hand planted well out of a

1663
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: out of a tractor. The husband drove the tractor and

1664
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: she sat on the tree planner and she had her

1665
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: box of seedlings and she's just sitting there backwards, going through,

1666
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: going through the fields, sticking trees in the ground. She

1667
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: planted every one of those and when she was in

1668
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: her fifties and now she's eighty six and planted. She's

1669
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: cutting those trees and she's thinned them three times. And

1670
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: and she just you know, one of the areas that

1671
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: we were hunting, she clear cut this past January. And

1672
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, you you shot that, you shot

1673
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: your turkey in a stand Deptember that when we uh,

1674
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: we started leasing the property ten years ago, that stand

1675
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Deptember was so thick you couldn't walk through it. It

1676
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: was blackberries and pine trees. And she thinned it once.

1677
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: She thinned it. About when does she oh, she thinned

1678
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: it last year when she cleared cut the piece beside it,

1679
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: she thinned that piece and um, and we shot turkeys

1680
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: in it. M hm called into long beards and jake

1681
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: and a hen and you kill that and that really

1682
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: nice bird. Um. So yeah, that's a that's a working forest,

1683
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: um generating income for her and yeah, she's her kids

1684
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: will get income from it. And as long as it

1685
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 1: stays in the in the family. But if you just

1686
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 1: strolled over there at two years ago would have been

1687
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: long leaf, find it would have been a long leaf

1688
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: and there was there is a long leaf around there.

1689
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: There's long leaf in the boundary line trees. There's long

1690
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: leaf by the road, the place that we call that

1691
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: jake In. And then we went down by the lake,

1692
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 1: that area was long leaf. That the some of the

1693
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 1: big trees there was still we're still long leaf. The

1694
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: trees we were leaning against when we call that jake in,

1695
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: we're all lob lolly. But the thicket that we were facing,

1696
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: all those big trees in that thicket, those were long leaf.

1697
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 1: Explain what um, what was lost in the cop between

1698
01:40:54,720 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the combination of cutting off and heart killing, harvesting all

1699
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: the long leaf, but also with fire suppression. So when

1700
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: when we lost the long leaf ecosystem, we didn't lose

1701
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 1: just the tree, We lost the ecosystem long leaf. Some

1702
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: people described it as a grassland with trees, because the

1703
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: entire the canopy of a of a long leaf forest

1704
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: is not like most pine forest. It's lets a lot

1705
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: of sunlight in and that sunlight um allows grasses to grow,

1706
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: but only if you have fire. So the South has

1707
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: one of the highest incidents of lightning strikes I know,

1708
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: in North America, I think in the world, but one

1709
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: of the highest incidence of lightning strikes. It's it's evidence

1710
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: shows that it probably burned on a three to five

1711
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 1: year uh basis um. You know, wrap often frequent, low

1712
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: intensity fires. You didn't have the Western fires. You didn't

1713
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: have crowned out kill everything. You had flames that might

1714
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: be anywhere from a foot high to six ft high,

1715
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: because it burned every year. There was anything to burn,

1716
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: burning burning pine needles, burning grasses, uh, small bushes, But

1717
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: after years and years and years and years, the bushes

1718
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: were knocked down pretty good. I mean, the hardwoods were

1719
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 1: killed in the uplands and driven down into the swamps.

1720
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 1: So you had hardwood swamps, but you didn't have any

1721
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: hard ones in the uplands. In the Lower Piedmont and

1722
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: the Coastal Plain, the mountains, you had hardwoods. But what

1723
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is the Lower Piedmont and the Coastal

1724
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: Plain all the way from Virginia around to Texas, so

1725
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: nine states. This was the dominant ecosystem. So what was

1726
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 1: lost was that ecosystem and the animals that depend on it.

1727
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of I think there's twenty nine

1728
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:50,679
Speaker 1: species of state or federally listed animals that in plants

1729
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: and animals that inhabit that that longly find ecosystem. It's

1730
01:42:56,479 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: surprising driving around here how much evidence you see controlled burning.

1731
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: Though it's good that it is, it's really good. Um.

1732
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,560
Speaker 1: The Longleaf Alliance touts it a lot. The Turkey Federation

1733
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: helped people with it. The Longleaf Alliance helps Fish and

1734
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: Wildlife Service will provide funding through their Ecological services for burning.

1735
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: The NRCS Natural Resource Conservation Service through the U S

1736
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 1: Department of Agriculture, will help landowners pay for burning, and

1737
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: and the whole, the whole we had. I was given

1738
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: a presentation at the University UM just late March, and

1739
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: one of the women, one of the students, asked me

1740
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 1: the question, well, if you're doing all this burning, you're

1741
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: killing the hard woods, aren't you. And I said, yeah,

1742
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: you are, You're knocking them back. But the species that

1743
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 1: we want are those species that are adapted to this ecosystem,

1744
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: and the hardwoods that are getting killed and knocked out

1745
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: are not adapted to it. The turkey oaks that are

1746
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: adapted to it. The big ones don't get killed. The

1747
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 1: little ones get killed. And if you lay all fire,

1748
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: or maybe you have a creek down here or something,

1749
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: then there'll be some that grow up and they'll they'll

1750
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: become big. But we have a lot of land in

1751
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: the South that is a thicket, and so the animals

1752
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 1: that require a thicket have a lot of land. We

1753
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of land that is a grassland.

1754
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: And so like even that clear cut, that one year

1755
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: old clear cut that we were hunting in, there were

1756
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 1: bachman sparrow that morning when we were listening for turkeys

1757
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: to gobble. There were bachman sparrow's calling all over that

1758
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,799
Speaker 1: entire clear cut because it was it was a grassland.

1759
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: It was coming up. So they like that one year

1760
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: old clear cut, but they like they had the bunch

1761
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 1: grasses and the habitat that they required. Um Seth went

1762
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: up on the National Forest and shot some some video,

1763
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: or Rick did. Rick went up and shot some video

1764
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,440
Speaker 1: on the National Forest. And that area is a grassland

1765
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: with widely widely space trees that let enough sunlight in

1766
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: so that the grass will grow. Now, the one where

1767
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 1: you're shooting the drone videos were UM, lob lolly and

1768
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: and short leaf. There was there's only one long leaf

1769
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: on that whole track on that that I've found and

1770
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: that anybody else has found that I know about. Um.

1771
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: It used to be a mixture of shortleaf, lah blahi

1772
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: and long leaf because the habitats the ranges were coming

1773
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: together in that Upper Piedmont area right there. UM. So

1774
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 1: you asked, what if we lost We've lost the system,

1775
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: We've lost the animals and the plants that are associated

1776
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: with that system in exchange for in exchange for a

1777
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: cheap paper lumber for your house, to buy fours for

1778
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: your house, toilet paper, notebook paper, newsprint packaging, UM, all

1779
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, it's a tradeoff. It's not you

1780
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: can't blame land on it for making the most money. UM,

1781
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's us. It's our society that demands UH

1782
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 1: a paper product which is renewable, UM, timber which are

1783
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: renewable and UM. And the landowner is gonna try to

1784
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 1: make the most money as possible. And what what we're

1785
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 1: hoping is one of the things that's coming along now

1786
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: is carbon sequestration to help with you know, global warming.

1787
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 1: If the landowner could be paid to grow trees longer,

1788
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 1: then is currently profitable for them. So if they're raising

1789
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: blah blahllipine just for money, they're gonna thin thin clear

1790
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: cut at age thirty or thirty five, plant a new

1791
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: crop thin thin clear cut at age thirty five. Well,

1792
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 1: if we had a way to pay them to take

1793
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: those thirty five year old trees to fifty or seventy

1794
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: five or a hundred and offset the funds that they're

1795
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: going to be losing, that would sequester carbon and help

1796
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:59,839
Speaker 1: with the reduction of you know, climate change, and encourage

1797
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: the land owner to grow older trees on his property,

1798
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: which would help all the wildlife associated with that. But

1799
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: then we'd be doing the burning. And we were talking

1800
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: about that because when you burn, your release carbon into

1801
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: the air. But and that's true, but where the big

1802
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: worry is the fossil fuels, because we're digging carbon up

1803
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 1: out of the out of the ground instead of what

1804
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: is naturally rotting burning. And in this country, it's gonna burn.

1805
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: It's either gonna burn with a lightning strike. It's gonna

1806
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: burn with wildfire, or it's gonna burn with prescribed fire.

1807
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 1: There's no getting around it. And we can burn every

1808
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 1: three to five years with prescribed fire during the during

1809
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: the right conditions where the smoke that we're sending up

1810
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 1: is not as as hazardous, not as toxic. That's what

1811
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: it would be in all consuming wildfire like you see

1812
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: out west. That it was bad that we were out

1813
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: there health hunting it is. I went through Medicine Boat

1814
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: National Forest in Wyoming and it was sixty miles of

1815
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: smoke on the interstate and Campton, Nebraska, and you could

1816
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: still smell the smoke in Nebraska. Dude. We had orange

1817
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:19,839
Speaker 1: like orange all day and ash raining in our backyard.

1818
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: They were having orange sunsets on the East coast. My

1819
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: folks were saying in Pennsylvania that the smoke was coming

1820
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: that far from those California fires. So that's not that's

1821
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: what we don't want. We don't want catastrophic wildfire, and

1822
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: one of the ways to prevent it is to is

1823
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: to do prescribe fire. We burn our place up in

1824
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: North Carolina and the highest flame heights we get are

1825
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: three or four feet and burn every four or five

1826
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 1: years and just creep the fire, back it in and

1827
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,680
Speaker 1: once you back it off the line, you can go

1828
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: through and set a strip head fire that that runs

1829
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 1: ahead fire and then set another one. It runs at

1830
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 1: another one, it runs that, another one it runs and

1831
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: you gotta get permit, you gotta have train and work

1832
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 1: with the State Forestry Commission on all that. What is

1833
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: my last question for you, What if we look at

1834
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: how quail numbers just every decade seems to be worse,

1835
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:20,520
Speaker 1: And people point to a lot of things that fire ants, right, proliferation,

1836
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 1: fire ants, um. But this has to be a factor

1837
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 1: in that. Well, it's a huge factor. So I was

1838
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 1: raising North Carolina quail hunt and we go down eastern

1839
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: North Carolina weak quail hunt. The quail population started crashing

1840
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: where weak quail hunted in eastern North Carolina. It started

1841
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:40,640
Speaker 1: crashing in the seventies and by the nineties that you

1842
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: that means no point in quail hunt and there were

1843
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: no fire ants there at all. They didn't make it

1844
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:51,640
Speaker 1: there until the late nineties early two thousand too, and

1845
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: they're there now. But my point is it couldn't have

1846
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: been fireingts that caused the crash in the Carolinas because

1847
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,560
Speaker 1: there were no fire ants. It could have, it could have.

1848
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 1: It could be an extending um circumstance in Alabama, Mississippi,

1849
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 1: George and Florida because they got there first. They came

1850
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 1: in and I think they came in in mobile, but

1851
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: they can't. They came in from South America, and um.

1852
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Fire ants are contributing. Uh. Nest predation with raccoons are

1853
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: are a factor, But it's habitats, habitats, habitat habitat. If

1854
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 1: you've got it, if you've got enough highly, if you've

1855
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: got enough good habitat, you're gonna have quail. You're gonna

1856
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: have all those species associated with it. She put in

1857
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: that clear cut and last year, and I don't know

1858
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: where they came from. I jumped coveys of quail three

1859
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: different times. It's not enough to go buy a dog

1860
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: and start training a dog. But you could hear when

1861
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: I was scouting, I heard quail calling in that fifty

1862
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: acre clear cut. Almost every day. They were in. They

1863
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 1: were in there, and you make a place for him,

1864
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: and there they are, and they and they show up,

1865
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 1: and they breed and they produced and they survive. Uh.

1866
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: But the problem is those trees then grow up into

1867
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 1: where you killed your turkey. Wide open pine straw, no habitat,

1868
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: and they need grass, they need they need bunch grasses

1869
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,640
Speaker 1: where those little ones can run around and catch insects.

1870
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: They need thickets where they can get away from the

1871
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: avian predators, from the hawks. And they need bare ground

1872
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: where they can actually pick up a seat. And that

1873
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: habitat is rare for for Bob White quail um Man

1874
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 1: a lot. Sorry I get into it. I started talking

1875
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: about that's that's why that here. But we had a

1876
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: great time hanging out with you. We had a blast here.

1877
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Did you and I meet in Hell's Canyon? We met

1878
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: in the spring of two thousand and twelve, nine years ago. Yeah,

1879
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 1: has a good conversation since then. Yeah, that was a

1880
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 1: good hunt, going by jet boat, take mules into Hell's

1881
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 1: Canyon wilderness area, turkey out for a week. It's a

1882
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 1: great time. It was a great time. The best thing

1883
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: about it was meeting you because then I got to

1884
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: come down here and hunt turkeys with you in your

1885
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:18,799
Speaker 1: well and you invite me in Florida. Pull my hamstring, Robert,

1886
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Well, thank you all. This was

1887
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: a blast. Ladies, and gentlemen, Robert every dathew, thank you, yeah,

1888
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:30,560
Speaker 1: thanks throwing us around, man, and thank your wife for

1889
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: the food. I will yeah, you guys are very very hospital.

1890
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good for a week for the food.

1891
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 1: Y'all left, all right, thank you very much. Man, Satha

1892
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 1: here you call it, But we can't hunt birds at night?

1893
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: The flip flops shoes eager do you use that turkey?

1894
01:52:55,120 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Con justice? Drive? Just a fuel hours and the birds

1895
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: will leave the ruse. I think I hear them call him, Seth,

1896
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: What can I do? What can I do? Seth? What

1897
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: can I do? Seth? I hear you call them to

1898
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:27,760
Speaker 1: know that you who won't stop? But I have to

1899
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: take a growler and I just can't find a ruck.

1900
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Just a few more hours and the birds will leave

1901
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:48,560
Speaker 1: the ruse. I think I hear them calling, Seth, what

1902
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 1: can I do? What can I do? Seth? What can

1903
01:53:53,320 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: I do? No