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Speaker 1: got so much to talk about. Obviously, the season has started.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the games, but we also have the
Speaker 1: latest indie Ben Simmons drama. Wow, things popped off yesterday's show.
Speaker 1: I'll get into Marvin Bagley's agent all about the Kings.
Speaker 1: That was something that happened. It was actually started yesterday
Speaker 1: and last night. We also had the first twenty five
Speaker 1: members of the NBA's seventy fifth anniversary team announced. I've
Speaker 1: got some problems, some issues with how they're doing this,
Speaker 1: but we'll get to that later in the show. We
Speaker 1: start with a little game recap task. You can get
Speaker 1: us going here. The Bucks begin their title defense with
Speaker 1: the one twenty seven one oh four victory over the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets. I know we'll talk about the Rings a
Speaker 1: little bit later, but for the game, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: dominant performance there from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: I thought, fantastic stuff from the Bucks to come out
Speaker 3: like that. The Nets, they've got a major Yanni Stetokumpo problem. Now,
Speaker 3: you might say, of course everybody does. Twenty nine teams
Speaker 3: have a Yannis problem. But it's not just Yanni's being
Speaker 3: able to score, it's being able to get his second
Speaker 3: shot opportunities. It's almost shack like. The Nets don't really
Speaker 3: have a body to stop him. They tried with Blake Griffin,
Speaker 3: Yanni's just plowing through him. They tried with James Johnson
Speaker 3: and the MMA fighter wasn't able to body Yanni's. That's
Speaker 3: the reason why they brought him in. But Yany's just
Speaker 3: pushed him under the rim. It's the ability for Yanni's
Speaker 3: and the rest of the Bucks to get on the
Speaker 3: boards against the Brooklyn Nets. They just don't have the
Speaker 3: size to deal with the Bucks. The Bucks shot twenty
Speaker 3: more times. How do you win when you do that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I think I think the Brooklyn Nets, if they play
Speaker 3: anybody else other than Yannis, they probably win. It's just
Speaker 3: that this one issue with this one team, and that's
Speaker 3: the reason why they won the title. The Bucks repeated
Speaker 3: what they did against the Phoenix Suns in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3: They got more shots than the Suns because not only
Speaker 3: are they able to grab offensive rebounds, but they don't
Speaker 3: lose defensive rebounds. They secure every defensive boards. They took
Speaker 3: twenty more shots, a little of that turnovers, mostly rebounds,
Speaker 3: And I think part of it is the Nets continuity
Speaker 3: from last year. Their bottom five in terms of returning minutes,
Speaker 3: which is kind of surprising when you think about it.
Speaker 3: Their big three is back, They've got you know, Blake
Speaker 3: gets back, LaMarcus Aldridge's back, but a lot of the
Speaker 3: guys who played a lot of minutes aren't. And their
Speaker 3: bottom five according to NBA dot com and John Schuman
Speaker 3: got to mention where I got that stat don't want
Speaker 3: John Schuman mad at me after Day one of the
Speaker 3: NBA season. So a lot of returning parts. And Nick
Speaker 3: Claxton is one of them. He was on the roster
Speaker 3: last year, but he didn't play. He was a starter yesterday.
Speaker 3: He started one game last year. And although he is
Speaker 3: a talented center taking the spot of DeAndre Jordan Marcus Aldrich,
Speaker 3: he's thin and he just wasn't getting after it on
Speaker 3: the boards. So they got pushed around. Frankly is what happened.
Speaker 3: The Nets have to figure out their rotations. They're big,
Speaker 3: so I don't know if Marcus Aldridge starts, I know
Speaker 3: he looks slow, but he's a bigger body. And if
Speaker 3: you're going to try and just go around the Marcus Aldrich,
Speaker 3: I think that may take away from what Ghanis does.
Speaker 3: So I'm not so worried about the Nets. I think
Speaker 3: they got pushed around. And even at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the game, I did predict the Nets were going to
Speaker 3: win this game. I thought it was coming true because
Speaker 3: Yanni's looked bad. He was clunking shots for a few
Speaker 3: star a few shots. He hadn't won a title before,
Speaker 3: having gone through a ring ceremony. I think that was
Speaker 3: part of it, some nerves. Then he calmed down and
Speaker 3: they slammed the Brooklyn Nets and they looked like the
Speaker 3: team that had played together for a long time. Jordan Wara,
Speaker 3: who everybody hitting shots for the Milwaukee Bucks yesterday, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was a big night for a guy's named Jordan witha
Speaker 1: there and then pull later on in the Warriors game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Yannis with I thought it pretty pretty easy
Speaker 1: looking thirty two, fourteen and seven le but I won
Speaker 1: a good five minutes on Yanni at the free throw line.
Speaker 1: He's got the new routine, the one dribble, he sped
Speaker 1: it up and he shot seven to nine at the line.
Speaker 1: So have about it.
Speaker 7: Free throw master, practice of free throws kids. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's really really what it comes down to. But I
Speaker 7: think Yannis, what he did in Game six of the
Speaker 7: Finals last season has probably really given him that championship
Speaker 7: swaggering confidence to go, hey, I can hit free throws
Speaker 7: in the regulous season and opening not. I mean, I've
Speaker 7: done it in the biggest pressure of my career and
Speaker 7: I've knocked him down. So on opening night in front
Speaker 7: of my fans, Yeah, this is easy, and I think,
Speaker 7: you know, task kind of hit on it.
Speaker 4: They're really like the nets.
Speaker 7: As long as Kevin Durant's out there, there are a
Speaker 7: chance to beat anybody. But they've got the same problem
Speaker 7: they had last year. They just don't have a big
Speaker 7: who can stop Yannis. But what do you do?
Speaker 4: Do you get a big?
Speaker 7: They had DeAndre Jordan that just obviously didn't work out.
Speaker 7: He's no longer on the team there, so do you
Speaker 7: have a center or do you have sort of like
Speaker 7: an oversized forward or someone Because Yannas are just so versatile,
Speaker 7: and what I really liked about him last night was
Speaker 7: his decision making a couple of times, like when they
Speaker 7: would go down and there would be an extra body
Speaker 7: coming at him, he would fire it out to someone
Speaker 7: and they would most of the time knock down the shop.
Speaker 7: Pat Connorden hit four threes last night holiday before he
Speaker 7: went out hit a couple, Chris Middleton only hit one,
Speaker 7: felt like he hit a few more. Grace and Allen
Speaker 7: hit three. So the Bucks offense, to me, is just
Speaker 7: so intimidating for everybody else because Jannis just walks into
Speaker 7: the paint whenever he wants. If he's hitting these free throws,
Speaker 7: you can't foul him. He hit one three himself there
Speaker 7: last night, but everyone else is kind of like a
Speaker 7: threat if they played the way they did last night.
Speaker 7: So that's really got to be a concern for everybody
Speaker 7: else in the Eastern Conference. Very important. I think the
Speaker 7: fact that you know they got off to a good start.
Speaker 7: We knew the Nets were going to make a run
Speaker 7: thanks to Paddy Mills coming off the bench just absolutely
Speaker 7: lighting them up. But then again, you saw a team
Speaker 7: that wins a championship and I think you can just
Speaker 7: tell they were like, hey, we're better than these guys.
Speaker 7: We can go out there and really assert our dominance.
Speaker 7: And that's what they did, so a super impressive first
Speaker 7: up performance. And for the Nets, who knows, of course,
Speaker 7: they're missing one of their players who could come back
Speaker 7: and give their offense a bit of a pop, because
Speaker 7: what Paddy did last night was great. But I don't
Speaker 7: think they can rely on him hitting seven threes every
Speaker 7: single night.
Speaker 1: But they just don't think he's not going to miss
Speaker 1: the three all season.
Speaker 7: Look he might, he might, but you know, the Nets,
Speaker 7: for me, they've got to look at this. If I'm
Speaker 7: sure Mark's can go, We've got a problem in the
Speaker 7: middle here. We need to address that because LaMarcus didn't
Speaker 7: look good, Paul Millsap gave them nothing, and Blake you know, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's physical, but he simply isn't as athletic as he
Speaker 7: used to be. But this is not just the Nets problem.
Speaker 7: This is basically everyone in the league problem. How do
Speaker 7: you slow down Yannas?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey, what'd you think of this Milwaukee team to
Speaker 1: get their rings here? I thought they pleaded with great
Speaker 1: tempo and they just they did appear loose. They did
Speaker 1: have that sort of championship swagger to them, starting with
Speaker 1: their leader and Giannis, and I think it trickled down
Speaker 1: to everybody else on the.
Speaker 4: Roster one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: Giannis said afterwards that he's happy, and he's not just
Speaker 8: happy that he's happy, he's happy that everybody else is happy.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of happy going around to Milwaukee. And
Speaker 8: you could one hundred percent tell, like you're saying, Skeets,
Speaker 8: they just look like a team that had just won
Speaker 8: a championship and is playing loose in free right now.
Speaker 8: They have the continuity that the Nets don't have. The
Speaker 8: Nets look like they're still in preseason. Like y'all have said,
Speaker 8: they're going to have to figure out all of their rotations.
Speaker 8: Give me some more Bruce Brown. He will help in
Speaker 8: the future. Surely Blake Griffin will be better than he.
Speaker 4: Was last night.
Speaker 8: But it was more so that the Bucks had more physicality,
Speaker 8: they had more intensity, and they had more chemistry. They
Speaker 8: look like a team that's been playing together for four seasons.
Speaker 8: I mean, I know Drew Holliday wasn't out there for
Speaker 8: a long time. Jordan Nwara was a big random piece
Speaker 8: of the game last night, But this is a core
Speaker 8: that's been together playing the same time style for a
Speaker 8: few seasons now, and you can see why teams that
Speaker 8: win the championship just continue to improve because they know
Speaker 8: what they're doing works, they know how to do what
Speaker 8: they want to do, and the margins just get bigger
Speaker 8: and bigger for a team like that, like Pat Connaton,
Speaker 8: the four threes was awesome.
Speaker 4: He was also making plays off the dribble.
Speaker 8: This is really impressive driving down the lane and throwing
Speaker 8: down dunks. So it looks like his game has grown
Speaker 8: a little bit. It looks like Noora's game has grown
Speaker 8: a little bit. The Bucks are still going to be
Speaker 8: adding players. They look like a team that said, hey,
Speaker 8: everybody thinks the Nets are the favorites. Here, we're the
Speaker 8: reigning champions and we brought basically everybody back.
Speaker 4: They proved their point last night. Super impressive from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: And they have that to go on too. Everybody is
Speaker 3: disrespecting them, myself included. The talk out there is Nets
Speaker 3: Lakers or the field. There's so many polls out there
Speaker 3: not including the Bucks in the championship selection. Isn't that
Speaker 3: a little nuhing? So they have that disrespect going for
Speaker 3: them they do. I think they could look at that
Speaker 3: and they can use that as fuel and they can
Speaker 3: be happy. And sticking with that happy comment that Yanni said,
Speaker 3: as Trey said, he's happy about everything.
Speaker 2: I'm happy.
Speaker 3: Watching the League Pass broadcast, there was a nice happy
Speaker 3: moment where he hugged Jim Pashke, the play by play
Speaker 3: commentator forever for the Milwaukee Bucks. He retired this year,
Speaker 3: but he came back for the ring ceremony and he
Speaker 3: had a sweet, sweet hug and then the in game.
Speaker 3: The in arena promos by the Milwaukee Bucks are so good.
Speaker 3: That's why the Leap Pass feed. Especially if the team
Speaker 3: is good at those in arena promos, you gotta watch it, man,
Speaker 3: It's so much better than the commercials. I'm just plugging that.
Speaker 3: On day one here I saw a great hug from
Speaker 3: Yannis and Jim Pashk. Then I saw great promo. Jim
Speaker 3: Pashke was reading rap lyrics in front of like JD's background. Essentially,
Speaker 3: it wasn't that, it was more like a library Jim
Speaker 3: Paske reading lyrics. It was funny. They had a lot
Speaker 3: of face morphs with guys commenting on it like they've
Speaker 3: got good promos, way better than commercials. Just plugging that
Speaker 3: right now. Not an ad, but it was a good time.
Speaker 1: Definitely not an ad when you're saying this was better
Speaker 1: than commercials. The opposite of it that. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was a really impressive win because they went up huge,
Speaker 1: right they went on the twenty one to four I
Speaker 1: think it was run in the first quarter. They're up
Speaker 1: thirty one to twelve. You said it lead. You watched
Speaker 1: a million games. You know the Nets are coming back
Speaker 1: and Patty Mills did catch fire and couldn't miss. But
Speaker 1: even though the Nets got back in the game, Bucks
Speaker 1: push it back to nineteen. The second quarter, you know
Speaker 1: they're up, but seven out a half time, You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is still a game. You know, Nets haven't played
Speaker 1: all that well. But the lead never dropped below seven
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. And that was with the
Speaker 1: addition of Drew Holiday leaving this one with I guess
Speaker 1: what they're calling, right, heel contusion. That's that's tough to
Speaker 1: do in the NBA, especially against a good team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're missing Kyrie, but a good team in the Nets
Speaker 1: with Katie and Harden just to sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: a little stiff farm there, like Dereck Henry, like just
Speaker 1: keeping them at bay. That's tough to do in this league.
Speaker 1: I don't care what game it is, Game one or
Speaker 1: Game eighty two. It usually gets a little closer than that.
Speaker 1: But that's that was awesome from the bucks A site.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out what you meant by Derek Henry.
Speaker 7: No, I'm guessing he's a football I would have said
Speaker 7: Derek kick at former Ozzi rules football player.
Speaker 1: He was very he was asked.
Speaker 7: But no. The thing is, again, like Kevin Durant can
Speaker 7: easily get that shot. You heard Iron Eagle on the broadcast. Basically,
Speaker 7: you know James Harden played okay, wasn't his best game there,
Speaker 7: but other than Patty, they didn't really have anyone else
Speaker 7: who was actually consistently hitting those shots for them. But
Speaker 7: Kevin Durant just gets into the middle of the lane
Speaker 7: there and he actually struggled to shoot his free throws
Speaker 7: last night. He missed a couple, which is very rare
Speaker 7: for him. Maybe it's the Wilson ball, even though it's
Speaker 7: the same leathers, just basically Wilson instead of Spaulding. It
Speaker 7: says on there. Anyway, The point is, you know Kevin Durant,
Speaker 7: he knows that there's the same sort of problem that
Speaker 7: the Nets have with Yannis. No one can really stop
Speaker 7: Kevin Drant, no one can even really challenge him. But
Speaker 7: it almost seemed like the workload for him last night
Speaker 7: was just a little bit too much because he wasn't
Speaker 7: really able to sort of get any flow going because
Speaker 7: if he wasn't scoring or Patty wasn't scoring, they just
Speaker 7: didn't have all that much else. But a good sign
Speaker 7: for a team like Milwaukee is to be able to,
Speaker 7: you know, withstand that surge that came and then really
Speaker 7: accelerate again. And that to me stands out and I
Speaker 7: think those things are really important, the continuity there with
Speaker 7: the Bucks because apart from Drew Holiday, as Trey said, there,
Speaker 7: you know, Milton has been there for a while and
Speaker 7: Budenholz are now in his fourth season. He's also not
Speaker 7: playing for or coaching for his contract or is his
Speaker 7: career right now. He knows there's a little bit more
Speaker 7: freedom then, a little bit more flexibility, and I think
Speaker 7: he just felt that with the way the Bucks played,
Speaker 7: the ball did move around and they got it felt
Speaker 7: like they got so many open shots. Everybody contributed, and
Speaker 7: a guy who they brought back, George hill I don't
Speaker 7: think he was fantastic at all in the playoffs, but
Speaker 7: I think as a veteran coming off the bench, another
Speaker 7: steady ball handler and he can also hit the three.
Speaker 7: So the Bucks look pretty deep right now. They've still
Speaker 7: got some players to come back too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Devin Chanzl, Bobby Portus, both of these guys don't
Speaker 1: play in the scheme. And those guys are you know,
Speaker 1: part of the rotation. For sure, They're getting minutes when
Speaker 1: they come back to Milwaukee. Yeah, they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of relief pitchers, I guess to give
Speaker 1: you another sports Yeah, exactly, they can eat up some innings.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this with the with the honest
Speaker 1: like his chances of MVP and whether the narrative is
Speaker 1: there and all that, and is he being overlooked tass,
Speaker 1: But it was mentioned like when he is out there,
Speaker 1: he goes full tilt, like he plays his ass off.
Speaker 1: We saw it there with the huge block on Claxton,
Speaker 1: like early in this game, you know, game one of
Speaker 1: the season. Just denying him obviously fills up the box score.
Speaker 1: But but he only plays what thirty one minutes in
Speaker 1: this and I think that's just going to continue to happen,
Speaker 1: especially in the regular season. Like that's the perfect case
Speaker 1: for Boonholzer in the box. It's like, build these leads enough,
Speaker 1: have a deep enough team that we just don't have
Speaker 1: to like rely on of course the honest to play
Speaker 1: like heavy, heavy minutes in the regular season. And I again,
Speaker 1: I mean, he might play a bunch of regular season games,
Speaker 1: but they'll sort of like just you can. You're almost
Speaker 1: like resting him in a little bit in a way
Speaker 1: by not having to go forty minutes with this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, every second night, and that adds up I
Speaker 1: think at some point when you get to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Also, he's twenty six years old, which I think we
Speaker 1: also forget, like he just feels like an older player.
Speaker 1: He's been around forever. He's gone through so many sort
Speaker 1: of losses, like devastating losses in the playoffs. He's just
Speaker 1: entering his prime. And it's scary that, Yeah, there were
Speaker 1: a couple of clankers there, but he's got confidence in
Speaker 1: the jump shot and he looks better at the line
Speaker 1: getting rid of all those dumb dribbles and everybody counting
Speaker 1: to fifteen, I know they're at home. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: happen there. But that's the smarter I remember you talked
Speaker 1: about that Lee like, that's fine, do your whole little
Speaker 1: fake routine first, but when you get the ball, boom
Speaker 1: and shoot it, so they stop overthinking of it. Because
Speaker 1: he took forever last year.
Speaker 7: And look, he's a two time MVP Defensive Player of
Speaker 7: the Year. He just won a championship. And what did
Speaker 7: you do in the offseason? Worked harder at his game.
Speaker 7: He knows that that like, people are disrespecting him and
Speaker 7: the team. You know, shortened season. No, you got lucky
Speaker 7: in the playoffs. Okay, well, I'm going to go out
Speaker 7: this year and show that we are the best team
Speaker 7: and I am the best player. And I think that's
Speaker 7: what I admire and respect about him. The people are
Speaker 7: always going to try to pick a part his game
Speaker 7: and say, you know, he can't shoot. James Harden said,
Speaker 7: he's only you know, he's only good because he's tall
Speaker 7: and athletic. Okay, well, if he starts developing that shot
Speaker 7: and hitting those free throws, he is virtually a lock
Speaker 7: for the MVP. Because again, I think the Bucks will
Speaker 7: win those sixty odd games. But I'm not going to
Speaker 7: take Trey Young off the board until I've at least
Speaker 7: seen him in Actually, tre Young, I'm not going to
Speaker 7: give up until at least a month into the season.
Speaker 7: Then we'll get a bit of an idea. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I think that's the true sign of a legit star
Speaker 7: is do you get complacent? You know? Pat Riley talks
Speaker 7: about it the the disease of more once you win
Speaker 7: a championship, instead, your best player, your leader comes back
Speaker 7: and shows, hey, I've worked on my game, I've improved.
Speaker 7: That sets the tone for the rest of the team.
Speaker 1: I thought it was disease of me.
Speaker 7: I thought it was. Well, it's the same sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was because it rhymed better. But okay, maybe.
Speaker 3: He just never gets into that. He never gets into
Speaker 3: the disease of me or the disease of more. He
Speaker 3: just he sticks to the plan. He missed his first
Speaker 3: three shots last night, and his effort, obviously on the
Speaker 3: defensive end, gets him going. He's obviously a two way player.
Speaker 3: That's how they won the championship. With the monstrous block
Speaker 3: on the alleyupe attempt to DeAndre, and even if he
Speaker 3: is clunking a couple on the offensive, end, he gets
Speaker 3: his guys going because he never stops giving efforts. So
Speaker 3: even if it's thirty one minutes, Yeah, the guys you
Speaker 3: have to ride his back. I think that's how Drew
Speaker 3: Holliday found, you know, his way in the postseason, just
Speaker 3: watching Yanni's go and yeah, he is obviously an incredible
Speaker 3: leader and they're going to win so many games because
Speaker 3: Yanni's isn't going to take days off, games off, or
Speaker 3: minutes off when he's in there. And I think James
Speaker 3: Harden is the same kind of guy. Not defensively, but
Speaker 3: in terms of that. He plays a lot of games,
Speaker 3: He plays a lot of minutes, and that's something which
Speaker 3: you know, we probably don't think about with James Harden,
Speaker 3: but the guy's a workhorse. And his touch with Nick
Speaker 3: Laston as the one to the five, you know, James
Speaker 3: Harden playing the one trying to set up Nick Claxton,
Speaker 3: this this young guy who they're trying to push Kyle
Speaker 3: Korver as a developmental coach, trying to work with him
Speaker 3: on the shot. Their touch was off a lot and
Speaker 3: it was bad and James Arng just couldn't find the
Speaker 3: pass to him. And then when he found one, in
Speaker 3: the fourth he looked up to this guy and said, yes,
Speaker 3: I can pass the basketball, but I think that's something
Speaker 3: that's got to come slowly if Claxton's going to be
Speaker 3: that starting center. Yeah, it's back to Nash trying to
Speaker 3: figure out Claxton, Aldridge, Blake, Jeff Green is gone, DeAndre
Speaker 3: Jordan gone, Jared Allen was there at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year. There's a lot of turnover there, especially with
Speaker 3: the Biggs. They're looking and there could sign somebody, or
Speaker 3: could trade for somebody to try and get in Yiannis's way. Again,
Speaker 3: that's their number one focus is figuring out how to
Speaker 3: stop that dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey said it. It felt like an extension of
Speaker 1: preseason here with the experimentation, at least from the nets.
Speaker 1: When it came to the rotations, like the no Bruce
Speaker 1: Brown is it was odd. It was a little on definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know you're getting killed out there.
Speaker 1: You know he's a hustle guy. Yeah, he's undersize, but
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you get some spot minutes. I was a
Speaker 1: little perplexed by that. So I assume we're going to
Speaker 1: see him here, Trey in the next couple of games.
Speaker 8: Well, you would assume so, But the Nets also brought
Speaker 8: in a lot of guys who played the same position
Speaker 8: as Bruce Brown. So maybe it's just the case of
Speaker 8: Steve Nash wants to see what a Paul Millsap can do,
Speaker 8: what LaMarcus Aldridge can do after taking a little bit
Speaker 8: of time off, he looks slow. Paul Millsap. I had
Speaker 8: to check the box score. Yeah, I guess he did
Speaker 8: play last night. But Bruce Brown will be a part
Speaker 8: of this team eventually because it's gonna make the most
Speaker 8: sense with Kevin Durant basically playing the five and Bruce
Speaker 8: Brown guarding the other big guy who's actually out there.
Speaker 8: That will be the eventual formulation for this team, I
Speaker 8: would have to imagine, just because they're going to be
Speaker 8: offensively based and playing small ball is what they do best.
Speaker 8: That's why Jeff Green was so solid for him last year.
Speaker 8: But you also don't need to reveal all of your
Speaker 8: cards early in the season.
Speaker 2: This is game one.
Speaker 8: The Nets probably won't end up with the number one
Speaker 8: seed this They probably don't even care about it. They
Speaker 8: just want to get their guys healthy, especially considering the
Speaker 8: way things went down for them in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 4: Did a quick google over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 4: Apparently pat Riley's phrase is disease of more?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, how Riley?
Speaker 4: Oh that has nine.
Speaker 8: Million Google results. Pat Riley disease of me has nineteen.
Speaker 4: Million, Yeah Google results. It's a real Berenstein Bears.
Speaker 7: Yeah situation right here, classic classic stuff before we.
Speaker 1: Get to the rings, because I want to show everybody
Speaker 1: here on YouTube if you didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: catch these last night and all that they can do.
Speaker 1: We almost had a weggie. Well, in fact, we did
Speaker 1: have a weggie, but it came well after the whistle task.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people on Twitter were very excited.
Speaker 1: People on Instagram. We'd love to see it every time
Speaker 1: there's a weggie tweet at us. Hit us up on
Speaker 1: ig and the comments wherever you want to get at
Speaker 1: us on social media at no dunk sync. But but
Speaker 1: but everybody was just a little too excited tasks, you know,
Speaker 1: I think was it and Wara had maybe stepped out
Speaker 1: of bounds. Whistles called, then he attacks and then it
Speaker 1: gets like blocked in there. It was a nice one,
Speaker 1: but we're not counting weggies that are well after the whistle.
Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have loved a war a widget widget,
Speaker 3: a war a Wedgie called it a war widget. I
Speaker 3: would have loved a weggie from a new player. I
Speaker 3: can assure you Jordan Warre has never had a weggie.
Speaker 3: That would have been amazing. Jordan Wara with the Wilson
Speaker 3: Jet to start the season. Yeah it was. It was
Speaker 3: way after the whistle. It can't just be thrown in there.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it can't be Actually have some rules
Speaker 1: that will usually break.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's the continuation rule that is very ambiguous.
Speaker 3: Who knows, but yeah, we play by that rule. If
Speaker 3: it's guy driving hacked throws it up and it's a weggie,
Speaker 3: sure count it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Eagle didn't even mention it. So that's why
Speaker 1: I felt really confident, Like, of course he heard the whistle.
Speaker 1: He's out of balance. This play is well dead. But hey,
Speaker 1: be a good sign of things to come, you know,
Speaker 1: at least we at least see one lee on opening night,
Speaker 1: even Wigie. Yeah, a war of Wilson Wedgie say that
Speaker 1: three times fast. Throw widget in there if you want to. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's show everybody these rings because they are wild. Here
Speaker 1: they are for everybody joining us on YouTube. Bucks Championship
Speaker 1: rings three hundred and sixty diamonds on the top to
Speaker 1: represent the bucks total wins under current ownership. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really weird. It's a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 1: All the wins under this ownership. Let's get a diamond
Speaker 1: for each one. And then I guess we have sixteen
Speaker 1: emerald shaped diamonds on each side that are symbolizing their
Speaker 1: sixteen playoff wins last season and their sixteen division titles franchises.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but but but that you know, normal.
Speaker 1: Look at NBA Championship ring. I would say for the
Speaker 1: most part, I think it looks beautiful there. It's what
Speaker 1: it can do tasks. That's a little wild. You can
Speaker 1: take off the top, and I would recommend you don't
Speaker 1: try and take off the top when you're holding a mic.
Speaker 1: You're on live television. Ready just dropped the top part
Speaker 1: because she had so many things in her hands.
Speaker 2: She played it off well though she rolled well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't mention that she dropped it. I guess
Speaker 1: that is playing it off cool. Uh, you can turn
Speaker 1: it into a necklace there. That's that top part. And
Speaker 1: then there's a bunch of stuff in the inside of
Speaker 1: a task and there's a QR code, and it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: What do you think. Are you a fan of these?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the gen Z ring. It's not just a ring,
Speaker 3: it's a necklace. So it creates a whole new piece
Speaker 3: of jewelry. I would say, I'm not young anymore. I'm
Speaker 3: on the top end of a millennial, but I think
Speaker 3: gen zs like necklaces or pendants, whatever you call it,
Speaker 3: more than rinks.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: They want to throw it on a chain. You gotta chain.
Speaker 3: My only issue is okay, so creates a new piece
Speaker 3: of jewelry. You pop it off, you gotta have a
Speaker 3: necklace ready to go. It doesn't come with a necklace.
Speaker 3: If I'm a mistake that chain, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I love it because of that. I
Speaker 3: think it it increases, you know, your converse with somebody Holton.
Speaker 3: First of all, look what it does. Second of all,
Speaker 3: can you put this on me? It increases the touching,
Speaker 3: It increases your companionship with somebody. And third I think
Speaker 3: it it lengthens the chat. Because you said there's a
Speaker 3: QR code in there. Everybody wants to be on the phone,
Speaker 3: so you scan it. QR codes are so hot right now,
Speaker 3: and it shows a video of the Bucks Championship run
Speaker 3: as soon as you scan it, so it just creates.
Speaker 3: It's it's far more than a ring. It's a far
Speaker 3: more important piece of jewelry. It's a conversation starter and
Speaker 3: an extender. You know, it's not just it's not just
Speaker 3: a hey, here's my ring. It's it's way more than that.
Speaker 3: And no one gives a crap about rings anymore, is
Speaker 3: what I'm feeling from this. Uh, people people care more
Speaker 3: about necklaces, am I right? They want to show off
Speaker 3: some bling bling on the necklace rather than now, who's
Speaker 3: going to lose it as the issue because it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a network tweeting that, like, who's going
Speaker 1: to be the first Bucks player to lose the bottom
Speaker 1: part of the ring? Lely, you got any guesses? Because
Speaker 1: that's that is one issue there. I love the Steff
Speaker 1: just turning it into the necklace. I think that's really
Speaker 1: cool into the pendant. But where you're putting that bottom
Speaker 1: part with QR.
Speaker 7: Cod I think Robin Lopez is going to steal it
Speaker 7: off Brook and then just pretend he didn't and just
Speaker 7: say you lost it. You lost it, so it doesn't
Speaker 7: really count. Whoever did design that as a big James
Speaker 7: Bond fan clearly because that looks like Q saying to
Speaker 7: James Bond, like, Okay, it's a ring, but then you
Speaker 7: can do all this funky stuff with it. It's not
Speaker 7: actually a ring. It can you know, blow up a
Speaker 7: building or something like that. It turns into a car,
Speaker 7: you can drive off, you can fly around, you can
Speaker 7: do all that stuff because you know James Bond's had
Speaker 7: a pen where you can activate it by just like
Speaker 7: doing the like that. So I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 7: In fact, the latest Bond movie, what's It, No Time
Speaker 7: to Die? I think that's out now as well. So
Speaker 7: good timing here.
Speaker 4: Maybe not an ab not an ad.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Trey? I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: like to wear a necklace. You wear wedding rings, but
Speaker 1: you like your necklaces more than rings. I think tasses, right,
Speaker 1: So what do you think of this idea?
Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you a necklace breaks a lot easier
Speaker 8: than a ring. Despite what Stephanie Ready might have you believe.
Speaker 8: I broke my necklace recently. Still haven't got it. Fixed,
Speaker 8: but my ring is feeling fine. I'm a little disappointed
Speaker 8: they covered up cream City on the bottom part of
Speaker 8: the ring there, all it says is em City.
Speaker 4: Come on, I thought y'all were proud of your cool
Speaker 4: tiles there.
Speaker 1: But ah, yeah, I see you're saying.
Speaker 8: I mean, these are in literally incredible, Like that's a
Speaker 8: full size rap pendant that you're getting, but it's also
Speaker 8: a championship ring. I will say I'm a little worried
Speaker 8: about the QR codes. Gonna have to pay for those
Speaker 8: hosting fees until the end of time because I mean,
Speaker 8: you know these.
Speaker 4: Rings are gonna last. Are you gonna keep those highlights
Speaker 4: updated on the same website? Now? You got to?
Speaker 1: Is that why they blurred out the QR code here
Speaker 1: for these official photos from the Bucks so we wouldn't
Speaker 1: use too much bandwidth on their website out the highlights.
Speaker 1: I do have a question tasked. Do you know whether
Speaker 1: or not the QR code is specific for each player
Speaker 1: or is it just like you know, a Bucks championship run.
Speaker 1: That would be pretty damn Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you could show somebody, hey, you want to see
Speaker 3: my highlights if specifically I won the ship and these
Speaker 3: are my highlights.
Speaker 4: Sure, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I wasn't Stephan you ready for this question.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a generic Bucks Championship runs. That's
Speaker 3: my thinking.
Speaker 4: But but what they I was trying to find a
Speaker 4: copy of it last night on Twitter, you know, like
Speaker 4: a zoomed in version to see what they actually got.
Speaker 4: They're really keeping it under wraps and under the top
Speaker 4: of the ring.
Speaker 3: But but what they did here is they created something
Speaker 3: that people will wear. The biggest problem with the rings
Speaker 3: is nobody wants to wear them all the time.
Speaker 1: They're obnoxiously large. Yeah, but people are, even for a
Speaker 1: giant guy that's an NBA player. We've seen them on
Speaker 1: these guys when we worked at NBA TV. Even they
Speaker 1: even Shack admits like this is sort of ridiculous, Like
Speaker 1: you can't really wear this.
Speaker 3: All the time, and they don't, but they'll wear a
Speaker 3: pendant all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I saw Horace Grant and can't cune Apple airing. He's
Speaker 7: like nineteen ninety two Championship ring. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna throw it out there because Horace Grant stood out.
Speaker 7: I looked down and the first thing I noticed is
Speaker 7: like Wow, he's got his second championship ring on. I
Speaker 7: wonder why he's got that one on.
Speaker 1: Okay, but is it fair to say in the nineties
Speaker 1: there was a little more class to these rings. They
Speaker 1: were a little meeby a little more normal size than
Speaker 1: they are now because they just got larger and larger.
Speaker 7: Honestly, it looked huge still on his gigantic hands there,
Speaker 7: so you know there's only a few years ago. Still
Speaker 7: in good shape too, Horace.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: You sure it wasn't Hervey. I guess it wasn't. If
Speaker 1: he's wearing a ring, yeah exactly. I mean that's why
Speaker 1: he wears it so they don't confuse him. No, I'm
Speaker 1: horras not.
Speaker 7: I think he had some bulls gear on as well.
Speaker 1: So all right, he really wanted you to know.
Speaker 4: Okay, he was rebounding the whole time.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: I will say every ring in the history of rings
Speaker 4: is a convertible to a necklace. Though.
Speaker 8: By the way, yeah, well you gotta do. It's just
Speaker 8: it doesn't sit maybe his nice Yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 8: Shut out, my guy, frodo though.
Speaker 4: What do you what do you got?
Speaker 1: Tasks? What do you got?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, No, that's something.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I am sure. I'll show you me
Speaker 3: wearing this. This is me wearing Channing Fry's ring a
Speaker 3: while back if you're watching on YouTube. Yeah, it's obviously
Speaker 3: like covers four of my It's like it's like a
Speaker 3: knuckle rat. It's way too big, but depended. That'd be nice, all.
Speaker 1: Right, next game here, that's enough on the rings. Curry
Speaker 1: and the Warriors stun Lebron and the Lakers one twenty one,
Speaker 1: one fourteen in the nightcap, second game of the TNT doubleheader.
Speaker 1: Tray get it started. What does it takeaways from this?
Speaker 8: Well, it's just one game, but the Warriors are going
Speaker 8: to the finals and Jordan Poole is gonna win finals.
Speaker 1: MVP.
Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy, great day for the hot takes. Last night,
Speaker 4: fun game out West.
Speaker 8: Lakers looked like they were doing all right through three quarters,
Speaker 8: built a nice lead, got it to double digits, but
Speaker 8: then they gave up thirty eight points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: And it wasn't just Steph Curry lighting up the Lakers.
Speaker 8: There was a big time run key by Jordan Poole
Speaker 8: and the Manya b Elitza there in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: Three minutes in in the fourth quarter Jordan Poole had
Speaker 8: assisted or scored on twelve points during a fifteen to
Speaker 8: five run, and he just looked awesome, Like he looked
Speaker 8: like he is living up to all of the hype
Speaker 8: that he had in the preseason. You know, Steph Curry postgame,
Speaker 8: he said he had a trash game despite the fact
Speaker 8: that he had a twenty one point triple double. That's
Speaker 8: not good enough for him, but it was okay because
Speaker 8: he actually had somebody alongside him who could run the
Speaker 8: offense in Jordan Poole, who could get his own shots
Speaker 8: off the dribble, who could do some of stuff with
Speaker 8: the ball in his hands, and when he didn't have
Speaker 8: the ball in his hands, Namania Bilitza looked great. Looked
Speaker 8: like the second coming of David Lee out there attacking
Speaker 8: the gaps, moving the ball and making plays off the
Speaker 8: dribble as well, kind of serving a little bit in
Speaker 8: the Draymond role where you know it would be a
Speaker 8: four on three. Maybe Curry was getting trapped by the Lakers,
Speaker 8: Somebody's got to make a play. It ended up being
Speaker 8: Namanya b elitz or Jordan Poole. This is a great
Speaker 8: game for the Warriors. Depth wise, You know, because, like
Speaker 8: I said, Curry didn't shoot the ball incredibly well, he
Speaker 8: was still Curry out there drawing a ton of attention.
Speaker 8: But the Warriors got a lot of contributions from their
Speaker 8: role players, and when you compare it to what the
Speaker 8: Lakers did and how well they're big two played and
Speaker 8: the middling contributions they got from their role players, you
Speaker 8: could see the difference.
Speaker 4: Last night. Warriors looked like they had figured some things
Speaker 4: out and the Lakers looked like they'd got a long
Speaker 4: way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lee rough game for Russell Westbrook. Nightmare start if
Speaker 1: you want to call it that, maybe one of his
Speaker 1: least effective games of his career. I don't even think
Speaker 1: that's a stretch to say. Eight five and four was
Speaker 1: his box score, four turnovers, four thirteen shooting, and zero
Speaker 1: free throw attempts. We thought this might take a while.
Speaker 1: Russ has done this before. We've seen it with Washington,
Speaker 1: we saw it with Houston. Slow starts and then he
Speaker 1: turns it on like a month or two in is
Speaker 1: do you see that happening here or is this going
Speaker 1: to be different? Because Westbrook really has to figure out
Speaker 1: how to play with Lebron James, who has to have
Speaker 1: the ball all the time and should and Westbrooks of course.
Speaker 1: Then after ball, what did you think of this first game?
Speaker 7: Well, that lineup at the end there was Baysmore, Bradley, Westbrook, Davis,
Speaker 7: and Lebron. And it's like, okay, if Lebron is going
Speaker 7: to play the point, then you may as well take
Speaker 7: Westbrook out and just put Mellow out there as a
Speaker 7: shooter because Westbrook is not a shooter. Other than that,
Speaker 7: give the ball to Westbrook and have Lebron as a
Speaker 7: shooter and have Westbrook try to create and go inside it.
Speaker 7: I just thought their offense looked really stagnant. They've got
Speaker 7: good games out of Lebron and Anthony Davis, both scoring
Speaker 7: more than thirty.
Speaker 1: Points, but that was it.
Speaker 7: They just didn't have anyone else who was able to
Speaker 7: really get any flow gone. They've got this, you know,
Speaker 7: supposed shooters out there, Baysmore and Mellow and those guys
Speaker 7: as I mentioned, and in fact, Avery Bradley, who they
Speaker 7: picked up off the scrap heap just before the game
Speaker 7: hit two three is late for them. So to me,
Speaker 7: it's like you can either say, Okay, Lebron, you're going
Speaker 7: to just sort of do what you want to do
Speaker 7: and take over, or you're going to have to like
Speaker 7: spread the floor out and put the shooters around him.
Speaker 7: That's when he's at his most effective because then he
Speaker 7: can take on his defender one on one. But if
Speaker 7: those other guys are out there aren't really there, then
Speaker 7: it sort of just bogs down their offense a little bit.
Speaker 7: So I think Frank Fogel's got something to work out.
Speaker 7: But you mentioned there the Russell Westbrook thing. It has
Speaker 7: taken him time to adjust and that I think we
Speaker 7: have to give him at least that credit that he
Speaker 7: will take some time here. I mean, he's already trending
Speaker 7: on Twitter with Buddy Hill. The Kings are already trying
Speaker 7: to look at that deal to spread the floor a
Speaker 7: little bit more there, But not a very convincing performance
Speaker 7: from the Lakers bench and their depth. Because as good
Speaker 7: as Lebron is and he can still put up those
Speaker 7: nights quite easily, I just don't think at this stage
Speaker 7: of his career you want him having to do all that.
Speaker 7: He hit some shots late, but he also felt to
Speaker 7: me a couple of times he came down and is like,
Speaker 7: there's just not really anything move I didn't think Anthony
Speaker 7: Davis was even moving all that well last night, despite
Speaker 7: the decent line that he put up. So Lakers have
Speaker 7: got some things to figure out here. But they're an
Speaker 7: experienced team of veteran team that have got some time.
Speaker 7: But certainly those early season concerns that I had showed
Speaker 7: themselves there last night. So we'll see what happens from here.
Speaker 7: Because if you can have Steph Curry go five twenty one,
Speaker 7: he did have that triple double, but he certainly didn't
Speaker 7: dominate at all. And you know, the Lakers, we're in
Speaker 7: control for most of this game, was just that sort
Speaker 7: of fourth quarter run where their offense fell apart task.
Speaker 1: What'd you think of this one?
Speaker 3: Well, it's telling that through three plus quarters, Avery Bradley,
Speaker 3: the guy that they didn't have for entire training camp,
Speaker 3: just comes in and plays in the fourth quarter because
Speaker 3: they were so desperate for a guy to play defense
Speaker 3: on the perimeter. Frank Vogel is a defensive minded coach,
Speaker 3: that's where he comes from from the Pacers, so he
Speaker 3: was desperate. And it's telling that we saw Lebron James
Speaker 3: four minutes left, he throws up a three and he's
Speaker 3: the only one to get back on defense, he gets
Speaker 3: hit with a two on one, a three buried in
Speaker 3: his eye and he slams the ball to the floor
Speaker 3: because no one's playing defense around him. And that's the
Speaker 3: biggest worry to me. Lebron and Ad go for thirty
Speaker 3: four and thirty three. Yes, Russell Westbrook, he has to
Speaker 3: get acclimated to these guys. But he also just plays
Speaker 3: badly to start the season. The last year he was
Speaker 3: bouncing the ball off his leg and out of bounds
Speaker 3: with the washing to Wizards to start the season. And
Speaker 3: he gets better, but it's the defensive end where Lebron
Speaker 3: is going to demand some things. That's gonna be the issue.
Speaker 3: If KCP ain't there and Alex Caruso isn't there, then
Speaker 3: that's that's really what it comes down to. It's it's
Speaker 3: they're going to figure it out on the on the
Speaker 3: offensive end, I think they'll score enough, but Frank Vogel's
Speaker 3: trying guys playing beside Russell Westbrook, Malik Monk just doesn't
Speaker 3: know where to go defensively. He was just lost out there,
Speaker 3: and so Avery Bradley comes in as the savior, as
Speaker 3: the guy. Yeah, the Warriors just cut to try and
Speaker 3: help out. So that's the biggest issue for the Lakers,
Speaker 3: is a little bit of defensive mindedness. And on the
Speaker 3: other side, maybe you can just relax and keep Clay
Speaker 3: out of the lineup if you've got Jordan Poole playing
Speaker 3: this way and and them and your be elites are
Speaker 3: coming in playing this way and Andre Goodala looking as
Speaker 3: young as he has in a couple of years. So
Speaker 3: that's good for for the the Golden State Warriors, because yeah,
Speaker 3: you're your m VP.
Speaker 2: Pick their skeets for Jordan Poole.
Speaker 3: M I P what was it?
Speaker 1: Well, well, no, I mean I wanted everybody to slow
Speaker 1: down on the preseason hype for Jordan Poole because I
Speaker 1: said it was getting out of control where people were
Speaker 1: saying he should be in the MVP conversation, let alone
Speaker 1: the MP, which hell, he might have the case at that.
Speaker 1: But then we did this weird little athletic TikTok video yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know, they reached out to us, Hey, can you
Speaker 1: guys do hot takes. I guess there's this TikTok challenge
Speaker 1: going around called like past the Phone, and you know
Speaker 1: I checked it out. I'm not on TikTok, but I
Speaker 1: checked it out, and I'm like, oh, and from what
Speaker 1: I could tell, I thought I was supposed to come
Speaker 1: up with a really dumb, out there hot take that
Speaker 1: then would be attached randomly to somebody else within this
Speaker 1: fun little thing the athletic was doing. So mine that
Speaker 1: I sent in was Jordan Poole is going to win
Speaker 1: finals MVP.
Speaker 2: Good pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking like a genius. Now you nearly outscored Curry.
Speaker 1: You're right, but it was attached to me. I forget
Speaker 1: who threw it to me. Zach Harper was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to pass the phone to Jay Skeets, who thinks
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole's gonna win finals MVP. I'm like, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to think that looked like the fool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe after one game, maybe it's working out
Speaker 1: for me, Trey.
Speaker 8: I think it's looking great right now, at the very least,
Speaker 8: if you're talking about the MVP conversation after one night,
Speaker 8: it's Yiannis number one, and I think it's gotta be
Speaker 8: Jordan's little number two.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the table, buddy.
Speaker 1: He's got crazy confidence.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he thinks he is.
Speaker 4: Curry and Clay I mean, he had some brutal misses.
Speaker 4: Somebody like had a twelve footer backed it out for
Speaker 4: three air ball that had him pull up from the
Speaker 4: right wing probably thirty feet out. All glass didn't stop
Speaker 4: him from shooting though, I swear to god it had
Speaker 4: the rare airball that like went over the rim and
Speaker 4: like somehow dropped that. It was not good once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know then you hit four, Lee, what
Speaker 1: do you think of it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I lot Reggie Miller's cool on that because
Speaker 7: he hit a three just before that, and then he
Speaker 7: clunked that one on and just went no.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's got a little playmaking to him,
Speaker 1: like he's he's got some similarities of course to a Clay,
Speaker 1: but he does a lot of different things too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Clay's never a concern off the dribble by
Speaker 1: any means he's an attacker.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we should put a quick poll up who was
Speaker 7: the better Jordan last night? Wara was pretty good. Certainly
Speaker 7: wasn't DeAndre anyway?
Speaker 2: Dere Why is DeAndre Jordan starting?
Speaker 3: We all thought Anthony Davis, Yeah, because Looney was I
Speaker 3: don't know, Anthony Davis can't guard Kevon Looney No, here's
Speaker 3: here's the rest man.
Speaker 4: I think that's what it is. Here's grey. Jordan is
Speaker 4: just he's friendly, like you don't want to sit him
Speaker 4: on the bench.
Speaker 1: It's just like the Nets. It's these coaches in Game
Speaker 1: one especially, it's like, yah, play the old guys, play
Speaker 1: the vets. They deserve it. They put in the years.
Speaker 1: Start up happens.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: That's why you're getting more millsap in Aldridge and Blake.
Speaker 1: Then you're getting Bruce Brown, I think with the Brooklyn Nets,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why DeAndre Jordan is sort of starting.
Speaker 1: He's he's he's buddies with the guys there, and he's
Speaker 1: the older guy and he's got a ring from the
Speaker 1: Olympics and all that stuff, so ring he's gonna the other.
Speaker 7: The other thing that's right now is that red flag emoji. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you could just put that for DeAndre Jordan. Red flags
Speaker 7: everywhere because I mean, you know, but seriously, because the
Speaker 7: Nets right desperately need some sort of interior veteran presence,
Speaker 7: and DeAndre Jordan they had him and they're like just
Speaker 7: get out of here. So there should have been those
Speaker 7: red flags every Lakers that sometimes to go former defensive
Speaker 7: player of former star, formerle NBA first team But at
Speaker 7: points you're just like, you know what, he's just done.
Speaker 7: And I think that's the case with DeAndre Jordan right now.
Speaker 7: He just doesn't seem to look like he just doesn't
Speaker 7: seem to have any real energy out there. He's just
Speaker 7: kind of like, I'm just out here because they've got
Speaker 7: no one else apart from d White.
Speaker 3: Well, it's different. If you're signing him as a minimum
Speaker 3: player like the Lakers are than what the Nets did
Speaker 3: for ten milli a year, then that's desperately needed some
Speaker 3: financial room. That sort of made sense. But if DeAndre
Speaker 3: Jordan is in the Lakers locker room like he's the
Speaker 3: third string center, given high fives, like like Lebron has
Speaker 3: always wanted in his career, you know with the Cavs,
Speaker 3: he said, Kendrick Perkins, get in here, not because you're
Speaker 3: playing man, but because we want you to be a
Speaker 3: Dante Jones. We want you to high five everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: be that great locker room presence. But to get him
Speaker 3: starting after Anthony Davis said he was going to be
Speaker 3: the starting center, maybe maybe it's this start of the
Speaker 3: year to have the Vets out there. But it just
Speaker 3: screams to me what every team has done with Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3: It's play a guy beside him at the five, keep
Speaker 3: him fresh for fourth quarter minutes. And that's fine.
Speaker 7: But it's.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not great.
Speaker 3: You know, Anthony Davis is he's so good, he can
Speaker 3: play both positions. I think it's just keeping him fresh.
Speaker 3: And you have Dwight Howard on the bench too, So
Speaker 3: I don't know when Anthony Davis is going to start
Speaker 3: at center. I thought Dwyight was in mid season.
Speaker 7: For him though, with his fail that he got, I
Speaker 7: think it was he just whacked him, and dwy he's
Speaker 7: just looking around, like what what?
Speaker 4: What wants?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: I actually loving leaning into this his career, he just
Speaker 1: was a gill of ship. Now he just hacks guys
Speaker 1: left and right.
Speaker 8: I'll say, I thought screens were a problem when he
Speaker 8: played forty minutes a game, but now that he only
Speaker 8: plays like twenty five minutes, He's like, who cares?
Speaker 7: I've got in both games. The refereeing was good last night.
Speaker 7: That there was a lot more contact aloud, and that
Speaker 7: I think is really really important. But I just thought Dwight,
Speaker 7: like it seems to not understand that you can't just
Speaker 7: swing your arms around. You just can't do that Dwight
Speaker 7: and clop a guy in the head.
Speaker 1: But yeah, wow, back, I do have a question, Lee,
Speaker 1: uh for you. I don't know if you saw the
Speaker 1: quotes from Lebron. He's not too worried about Westbrook's poor debut.
Speaker 1: He said, quote, he's so hard on himself. I told him,
Speaker 1: don't be so hard on yourself. It's one game. He's
Speaker 1: sounded like Bob Duka there Lebron is. But he also said,
Speaker 1: hold them to go home and watch a comedy. Lee,
Speaker 1: What comedy are you suggesting Westbrook watch after that rough
Speaker 1: game one? What are you telling him to watch? The chirrup?
Speaker 7: There's a classic classic movie from the eighties. Yeah, Val
Speaker 7: Kilmer stars in it called Top Secret, and it's by
Speaker 7: the same guys who did Hot Shots and The Naked Gun.
Speaker 7: I think it is the Zuckers, is it? I think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Anyway, absolute classic, Probably the first comedy where I was
Speaker 7: just like on the ground rolling in laughter. It's hilarious
Speaker 7: and yeah, I think Russ.
Speaker 1: Would enjoy that. I think I really think top Secret,
Speaker 1: top Secret. Check it out.
Speaker 7: Val Kilmer is the star and it's probably his first
Speaker 7: like feature film. He plays this American singer called Nick
Speaker 7: Rivers and he goes to Russia to Germany to play
Speaker 7: back in the old time. So it's it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Check it out.
Speaker 7: But I will say Russ pretty pretty intense there. He
Speaker 7: got the tea there last night, and he didn't look
Speaker 7: like he was enjoying himself on the bench, and understandably so,
Speaker 7: but yeah, yeah, it was it was a bit of
Speaker 7: a rough knife for him there. But yeah, I again,
Speaker 7: Anthony Davis, the numbers tell you that he had a
Speaker 7: good game. I didn't think he was all that impressive
Speaker 7: last night. I didn't think he really flexed his muscles
Speaker 7: as he should have.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I thought he was awesome in the first half.
Speaker 8: It looked like in the first half he was trying
Speaker 8: to get layups and dunks the entire time. And then
Speaker 8: the second half, you know, the Warriors kind of made
Speaker 8: it a point to have ad not be as readily
Speaker 8: available in the paint. Inn he wasn't in the paint
Speaker 8: nearly as much, so you know, shout out to the
Speaker 8: Warriors for taking that away. But that's also going to
Speaker 8: be a problem for the Lakers. If they have a
Speaker 8: center out there outside of Davis alongside Westbrook, there's gonna
Speaker 8: be people just waiting in the lane, and Davis needs
Speaker 8: to be in the lane. That's the secret to the
Speaker 8: to the Lakers. They get shots at the rim between
Speaker 8: Lebron and Ad They're gonna have a chance as long
Speaker 8: as those two guys are out there.
Speaker 4: But they got to find a way to get easy
Speaker 4: buckets for him.
Speaker 1: I have one more note from this game. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have any anything else, but Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller on the call for this second game, he said
Speaker 1: something that like made me perk up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh really. It was when Mello
Speaker 1: and Rondo were checking in, and he said something along
Speaker 1: the lines of like, you know how nice it must
Speaker 1: be for Vogel to have two future Hall of famers
Speaker 1: checking in here. Mello Okay, yeah, Locke put him in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You know what, He's top ten
Speaker 1: already in scoring. That makes sense. I'm there is Rondo
Speaker 1: an automatic Hall of Fame player in your mind? Like
Speaker 1: like Reggie was alluding to, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I guess what I'm saying. Is If Rondo
Speaker 1: is a lock for the Hall of Fame, then our
Speaker 1: debate about whether Kyle Lowry was eventually going to get
Speaker 1: in means he's in. And I'm just like not so
Speaker 1: sure of either of them tasks. Is Rondo in your opinion?
Speaker 1: You know, when he's done? Is he in the right way?
Speaker 1: Two rings? Four All Star selections, one All NBA, a
Speaker 1: couple All Defensive team? Is that enough in your mind?
Speaker 3: It's not enough in my mind? No, a lot, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's you know, you got a factor in the player
Speaker 3: and everything alongside the the accomplishments, and so yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's definitely one of those if you just look at
Speaker 3: the accomplishments, it lines up with other guys, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: So that's why he can be inserted into the debate.
Speaker 3: But for me, I would say no. I would say no.
Speaker 3: But yeah, boosted obviously by what he did with the Celtics.
Speaker 3: So you know, if really you're putting in Rondo, you're
Speaker 3: putting in four. You got four Celtics there that are
Speaker 3: going in there based on that championship to some degree.
Speaker 3: I mean Ray was going to get in kgusing again, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not based on that championship. Pierce is going to
Speaker 3: get any but Rondo's strictly. It's strictly because of what
Speaker 3: he did with those guys. Essentially, you know, the second
Speaker 3: ring with the Lakers is it's gravy. But the All
Speaker 3: Star appearances and the the championship, Yeah, it's just he
Speaker 3: was He was there. He was great. He was very
Speaker 3: good for that team with guys that could hit, but
Speaker 3: everything that came along with it, guys who you know,
Speaker 3: really couldn't stand him with the Dallas Mavericks, you know,
Speaker 3: he essentially left the team. He went to the Kings,
Speaker 3: and it's hard. It's it's hard for me to put
Speaker 3: him in after watching all that stuff, after watching him
Speaker 3: not be a great teammate with a bunch of teams.
Speaker 3: Is where I struggle, because the accomplishments again they line up.
Speaker 1: We know Lee's opinion on this. I won't even ask him,
Speaker 1: but that's a poll. I want to know what people
Speaker 1: think overall, is run to a lock for the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. I think it might be closer than I
Speaker 1: even think. We will see, all right, we got lots
Speaker 1: still to get here. Oh my goodness, we're running real
Speaker 1: along here with our first show. But first a quick
Speaker 1: break to hear from our sponsors. All right, back with
Speaker 1: no dunks here, Lee, lock it in. We're going ninety
Speaker 1: minutes here for our first real official show of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NBA season, because we got lots more
Speaker 1: still to talk about. We just did fifty plus minutes
Speaker 1: there on the games alone. All right, let's start speaking
Speaker 1: up as we go on here. But my goodness, Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons has received a one game suspension for conduct detrimental
Speaker 1: to the team, and he will miss the season opener
Speaker 1: against the Pelicans tonight. According to reports, Ben Simmons was
Speaker 1: kicked out of practice on Tuesday due to a lack
Speaker 1: of engagement. Sixers head coach Doc Rivers asked Simmons to
Speaker 1: join a defensive drill at practice, and the point guard refused.
Speaker 1: The actual quote going around is no, So Doc said,
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here, then drop the ball,
Speaker 1: and off he went. The seventy six Ers have suspended
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. Herely, I guess the question is, I know
Speaker 1: you're probably tired of talking about this, but where.
Speaker 2: Do we go now?
Speaker 1: And is trading Simmons the only possible option? I mean it,
Speaker 1: can they salvage this. Can he actually come and play
Speaker 1: for this team, or he's like is it just send
Speaker 1: him home, have them away from the team because he's
Speaker 1: causing this disruption and just try and treat them get
Speaker 1: whatever you can.
Speaker 7: What do you think, well, if he wants to get traded,
Speaker 7: I don't think he's handling this the right way at all,
Speaker 7: because nobody's going to sympathize with petulant behavior. And to me,
Speaker 7: all he's doing is making his situation way tougher for himself,
Speaker 7: because I think this is going to give other teams
Speaker 7: reason to sort of hesitate a little bit, saying like, Okay,
Speaker 7: I understand he's pissed off at the franchise, but he's
Speaker 7: now just acting like a child. I think the best
Speaker 7: thing Ben Simmons should do right now is say, you
Speaker 7: know what, I'm going to go out there and Russell
Speaker 7: Westbrook my way out of Philadelphia. And by that, I
Speaker 7: mean just go out there and stuff the stat sheet
Speaker 7: every single night, regardless of winning or losing, because if
Speaker 7: they win, he can say, look how good I am.
Speaker 7: I'm putting up nearly triple double figures and we're not winning,
Speaker 7: and if they lose, he's still putting up those near
Speaker 7: triple double numbs thing to say, see, it's not my fault.
Speaker 1: I'm doing my part.
Speaker 7: No one else is contributing. So whether you want to
Speaker 7: blame him or the franchise, and there's enough of both
Speaker 7: there him behaving like this and just saying no, I'm
Speaker 7: not doing that, I'm not doing this. I just think
Speaker 7: it makes him look like a dick. And if you're
Speaker 7: another team him and you're like going, this guy just
Speaker 7: really can't sort of get himself back on track here
Speaker 7: and say I'm gonna play my way out of Philadelphia,
Speaker 7: so that teams really really start falling over themselves to
Speaker 7: trade for him. I think that's the biggest problem. I've
Speaker 7: mentioned this before. I think teams are more like going,
Speaker 7: we'll take him on the cheap, but we're not giving
Speaker 7: up like a significant player or a huge draft compensation
Speaker 7: to get hold of him right now, because I just
Speaker 7: think he comes with a huge risk, and if he's
Speaker 7: going to keep behaving like this, I think Doc Rivers
Speaker 7: is right to say just okay, just go home. Then,
Speaker 7: I mean, you're only making your own situation worse here.
Speaker 7: So it's a stupid, ugly, dumb whole thing. I thought
Speaker 7: when the suspension first came out, I thought it was
Speaker 7: more just like this is for the whole summer of
Speaker 7: you know the way.
Speaker 4: I thought a lifetime achievement. That's exactly that's.
Speaker 1: What I thought.
Speaker 7: Maybe he's not quite ready to go there same we're
Speaker 7: just going to suspend you. We're actually just doing this
Speaker 7: because we've got to show the other players that you
Speaker 7: can't behave like that. And then it all came out
Speaker 7: and he was just like, I'm not trying, I'm not playing,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to do defense and do that. Well,
Speaker 7: if you're not go to do anything like that, And
Speaker 7: then Doc Rivers, I think was one hundred percent right
Speaker 7: to say fuck off, then just go don't even boy
Speaker 7: the turning up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wasn't it foolish for the Sixers to think
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't be a distraction by really sort of
Speaker 1: forcing him to come back.
Speaker 7: Listen, you're a professional. Okay, you're a professional getting paid
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty million dollars. Still they owe you,
Speaker 7: like you can put these things behind. This is not
Speaker 7: the first time a franchise and a star player has
Speaker 7: fallen out and not been not a go on. Remember
Speaker 7: when Jimmy Butler. The report was he came back and said,
Speaker 7: come here, third stringers, I'm going to go and kick
Speaker 7: the ass of the first stringers. Well, that, in some way,
Speaker 7: I think appeal to some teams, you know, like Philadelphia
Speaker 7: and like Miami, whether like we just want to ball,
Speaker 7: we want to go. Who's going to go at that
Speaker 7: and play his way out? Not a guy who's just
Speaker 7: going to be like, I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1: He's killed exactly.
Speaker 7: I still expect a quality team to come in with
Speaker 7: a big offer and have me plunk straight into their team,
Speaker 7: starting straight away on a championship contender.
Speaker 4: And I'll say this.
Speaker 7: One last time before I move on. You've got to
Speaker 7: look around that locker room and say, Joel embiid runner
Speaker 7: up MVP last season, You're on a team with a
Speaker 7: roster that's basically been built to cover up your offensive
Speaker 7: deficiency and deficiencies. You want to just walk away from
Speaker 7: that to go to a team where it's like we're
Speaker 7: gonna have to start all over again and maybe not
Speaker 7: even make the playoffs. Be careful what you wish for here, Benny,
Speaker 7: because you might just get it. And I really think
Speaker 7: that's got deadly horrible, horrible advice around him. He's inner circle.
Speaker 7: Someone is giving him terrible advice. I think someone needs.
Speaker 7: I think you need to go and say listen, you
Speaker 7: just you're you're if you're Rich Paul right now as well,
Speaker 7: I'm saying listen, rich Rich is going I'm not getting
Speaker 7: paid either, by the way, and you're making things worse
Speaker 7: for everybody. Just get out there and show them that
Speaker 7: you are so good that this team can't win without you.
Speaker 7: Like Jimmy Butler said, you motherfuckers can't win without.
Speaker 1: Well say that instead.
Speaker 7: It's like, oh my god, this is a terrible situation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but isn't it next level thinking to really really
Speaker 8: stink it up so that the team that trades for
Speaker 8: you doesn't have to trade a lot air you go
Speaker 8: to a better team. The worse he plays, the lower
Speaker 8: the package gets. But I mean, the seventy six ers
Speaker 8: absolutely have to trade him because skeets. When I saw
Speaker 8: the document, the document today for what we're going to
Speaker 8: be talking about, I saw that Ben Simmons was suspended
Speaker 8: after he spat in practice, and I didn't blink at all.
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, Ben Simmons spat doc rivers, No
Speaker 8: that's not what happened, but it seems believable at this point,
Speaker 8: like any sort of drama between the Sixers and Ben Simmons,
Speaker 8: Like I will believe it.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 8: And I mean, this is not an ad but kind
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Speaker 8: hilarious graphics yesterday, like this recreation of what actually went
Speaker 8: down in practice not spitting doc rivers, Ben, get in
Speaker 8: and take the spot. No, all right, go home, or
Speaker 8: this quote board that they made a little bit later,
Speaker 8: which I do believe.
Speaker 4: Is going to become a useful meme around the NBA
Speaker 4: twitter sphere.
Speaker 8: Just a straight up no from Ben Simmons's.
Speaker 7: Me about the new not today. I don't think so
Speaker 7: you know that old guy?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah, Like unsolved mystery?
Speaker 7: Is that what it is?
Speaker 8: Yet?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 1: Do I know what you're talking about?
Speaker 7: Lee?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tasks. I don't know. If you saw Sham's article
Speaker 1: at The Athletic, he had some more details on what
Speaker 1: went down. I guess Ben Simmons has been entering the
Speaker 1: facility and just ignores most of the seventy six staffers.
Speaker 1: And also this is a quote from Shams. Each day
Speaker 1: Simmons trains by himself on his own side of the
Speaker 1: basketball court, shooting jumpers and free throws with rebounders, so
Speaker 1: he gets a sweat, just as if he's like just
Speaker 1: going one on one in the gym, even though it's
Speaker 1: a team practice going on. But anything to add to
Speaker 1: this to I mean, what is the move? What's the
Speaker 1: move from the Sixers here now? Because in Sham's article
Speaker 1: they say he says they're not trading them for nothing,
Speaker 1: so they're going to wait until teams start the season. Uh,
Speaker 1: oh they disappoint, Oh there's a big injury to some
Speaker 1: team that want to make the playoffs or something, and
Speaker 1: then they're a little more desperate to maybe call the
Speaker 1: Sixers and make a move for Ben Simmons, and that
Speaker 1: they're just gonna wait until a month or so in here,
Speaker 1: possibly maybe even the deadline for all we know. So
Speaker 1: what do you do? Do you try and have them
Speaker 1: around the team, you continue to do this Sharat or Chara,
Speaker 1: excuse me? Or do you just send them home?
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing you do is keep things internal.
Speaker 3: The fact that everything is getting out to Sham's and
Speaker 3: to everyone else is horrendous because one great line, this
Speaker 3: is funny, but it's unfunny. But it's funny from Sham's articles,
Speaker 3: it's not funny for the Sixers quote on Sunday and Monday,
Speaker 3: he completed less than a handful of total defensive drills
Speaker 3: at practice. Nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 2: Less than a handful. How dare he?
Speaker 3: If he completed a full handful, he'd be cool, but
Speaker 3: less than a handful. I think why it's hilarious that
Speaker 3: everything is coming out is that to me, it reminds
Speaker 3: me of Anthony Davis in twenty nineteen. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of cringeworthy moments before he got traded from the Pelicans.
Speaker 3: Adam Silver had to step in and say, this guy's
Speaker 3: got a play. You can't just sit him out because
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to play. So they were sitting him
Speaker 3: out again. Commissioner comes in and then he played, and
Speaker 3: he was playing twenty minutes a game. And if you
Speaker 3: thought he wasn't going after it last night, go back
Speaker 3: to that tape in twenty nineteen. It was a month
Speaker 3: of him half asking it during games and sitting out
Speaker 3: a lot of them. Actually, he'd play a few games
Speaker 3: twenty minutes per a superstar. They were just putting him
Speaker 3: out there because they had to. They he'd sit a game,
Speaker 3: they'd put him out. So this was a month full
Speaker 3: of cringeworthy moments, But there wasn't all this practice reporting
Speaker 3: and all that happening. Now, if Ben Simmons had come
Speaker 3: there and half asked it in practice and we weren't
Speaker 3: hearing about it, then it would be far more palatable
Speaker 3: to us. We wouldn't be up in arms over this
Speaker 3: whole thing. It would just be waiting until Ben Simmons
Speaker 3: was traded. But at this point it's cringe worthy reading
Speaker 3: about it, and I think somebody is still going to
Speaker 3: give up a good package for him because he's twenty five.
Speaker 3: He's not Anthony Davis level type superstar. But you know
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis in the package that he got, or the
Speaker 3: Lakers were able to or I'm sorry, the Pelicans were
Speaker 3: able to attain with a monster package there of Ingram
Speaker 3: and Ball and Hart and picks. Yeah, that's not what
Speaker 3: the Sixers are going to get. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: Simmons is twenty five and I think they still will
Speaker 3: get a good package, and I think the advice is
Speaker 3: keep it in how Bence Simmons will play in the games.
Speaker 3: He'll play it at least as hard as Anthony Davis did.
Speaker 3: I don't think you could play less hard than Anthony
Speaker 3: Davis did for our role fricking month, and the Lakers
Speaker 3: were still willing to give up.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that, though. The Pelicans were not
Speaker 1: trying to win a championship and had you know, no,
Speaker 1: no one was picking them to go that far in
Speaker 1: a Western conference. The Sixers with Embiid playing at an
Speaker 1: MVP level with a good team around him, and obviously
Speaker 1: you know, a somewhat new coach in Doc Rivers there
Speaker 1: being in the second year, like they have plans to
Speaker 1: challenge for a championship. So it's that situation is different.
Speaker 1: It's like, who really cares when you were in New
Speaker 1: Orleans back there in twenty nineteen. But this is my
Speaker 1: this is what I get to like, you got to
Speaker 1: send this home, you got to get this out of here,
Speaker 1: Like this is ridiculous. This will have an impact on
Speaker 1: the rest of the team. How can it not? So
Speaker 1: if he's going to continue to do this and sulk
Speaker 1: and be a baby about it. Then you know, get
Speaker 1: up then, don't be the babysitter like Dwell and Bizza
Speaker 1: and just say go home. Man, we don't want you here.
Speaker 1: We'll try and trade you, we'll keep kicking calls everybody, Like, Also,
Speaker 1: what's Ben Simmons going to show us in these next
Speaker 1: couple of games where we're gonna be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh he's really gotten better, Like he's we know what
Speaker 1: type of player he is, we know his limitations and that,
Speaker 1: and a team knows that. Every team knows that in
Speaker 1: the league. And he's not helping his case here by
Speaker 1: being this little pet little child with the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Sixers are helping themselves either
Speaker 1: here with trying to like force him to be around
Speaker 1: when he doesn't want to be there. But I think
Speaker 1: that's he's under contract, You're right, I mean, so they
Speaker 1: can say, well, you know, we want.
Speaker 7: You know, the old saying winning souls everything. You know,
Speaker 7: they want him out there because he can be a
Speaker 7: good player and affect their winning. And if they start winning,
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden, maybe the mood start to improve,
Speaker 7: but also his value improves and I think that's the
Speaker 7: big difference here with Anthony Davis. He was frustrated that
Speaker 7: he wasn't being able to be surrounded by talent that
Speaker 7: could take the Pelicans far into the playoffs. Well, the
Speaker 7: Sixers should have made the Eastern Conference Finals last season.
Speaker 7: We were down there for Game three. Simmons was awesome
Speaker 7: in that game. He didn't have a huge stat line,
Speaker 7: but it looked like the Sixers were going to get
Speaker 7: past the old Hawks in there, the old douchebag sweep.
Speaker 7: But it didn't happen. So, you know, this is the
Speaker 7: big difference to Anthony Davis. After what seven years in
Speaker 7: New Orleans. I think he made the playoffs once and
Speaker 7: he was like, I just don't think this team is
Speaker 7: being built to contend.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: Simmons is on a contender. He's got the talent. He's
Speaker 7: been there, they've given him the contract, they've done everything
Speaker 7: they can to try to get him close. So yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, and I understand again. You know, he got
Speaker 7: pissed off that he felt that Rivers and embiid threw
Speaker 7: him under the bus. Okay, move on, though you didn't
Speaker 7: put you didn't perform in the fourth quarters, you haven't
Speaker 7: done that at all. In your career so far, in
Speaker 7: terms of shooting the ball, you haven't shown that development
Speaker 7: and improvement. So some blame on them, but you've also
Speaker 7: got to look at yourself in the mirror and say
Speaker 7: I need to be better, and he said he was
Speaker 7: going to be. Let's say it out on the court.
Speaker 1: I guess this is where I disagree with Aj Santiago
Speaker 1: here in the stream team they want Ben Simmons to
Speaker 1: play to remind teams of his value. My point is
Speaker 1: they don't need to. I really don't think they need to.
Speaker 1: I think all Darryl Moury is hoping and waiting for
Speaker 1: is the start of the season when everybody's oh and oh,
Speaker 1: and everybody has plans to make the playoffs, and then
Speaker 1: shit goes wrong for teams and suddenly they start to
Speaker 1: panic and say, uh, oh, okay, let's go get Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: let's shake things up. Let's get more start you know,
Speaker 1: talent in here and maybe make a run for it
Speaker 1: and build for the future with a young guy that's
Speaker 1: under contract. That's the other part, that's the other difference
Speaker 1: from Anthony Davis. Actually the situation two that he's locked
Speaker 1: up for so long so I just don't think they
Speaker 1: need to do that. And if he's gonna sulk like this,
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a detriment than just not
Speaker 1: having him out there personally well and just waiting for
Speaker 1: teams to start like garbage. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 8: It's such a huge bet for the seventy six ers too,
Speaker 8: that like, not only do they have to hope that
Speaker 8: things go poorly for other teams, they have to go
Speaker 8: worse for other teams than they are for the Sixers
Speaker 8: right now. And that's like, are you sure that that's
Speaker 8: gonna happen? Like we're seeing what's happening with Ben Simmons here.
Speaker 8: They're gonna be asked about what's going on with Ben
Speaker 8: Simmons all the time until he's either traded or takes
Speaker 8: the court, And it definitely doesn't feel like he's gonna
Speaker 8: take the court. But task I got bad news. It
Speaker 8: feels like we're never gonna get away from leaks of
Speaker 8: the Ben Simmons situation, cause video of Doc asking Ben
Speaker 8: to go on to the court actually just came out
Speaker 8: and we attend it. He said, you got to work throws.
Speaker 8: He's trying guys, he's out here getting those shots up.
Speaker 8: He can't go in and play defense.
Speaker 1: He's already good at that.
Speaker 2: Are a faucet, everything can All.
Speaker 1: Right, let's move on from Ben here. In other NBA drama,
Speaker 1: high powered agent who represents the Kings forward Marvin Bagley
Speaker 1: blasted the team on Twitter yesterday. All right, buckle up
Speaker 1: for this one. Didn't want to do a Twitter thread,
Speaker 1: just wanted to do an image with all the words
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, it reads Sacramento has informed Marvin Bagley
Speaker 1: he is not in the opening night rotation, which is
Speaker 1: completely baffling. This is Jeff Schwartz, Begley's agent, and he
Speaker 1: said this in a statement. It's clear they have no
Speaker 1: plans for him in the future, and yet passed on
Speaker 1: potential deals at last year's deadline and this summer based
Speaker 1: on value. Instead, they chose to bring them back but
Speaker 1: not play them, a move completely contradictory to their value argument.
Speaker 1: This is a case study in miss management by the
Speaker 1: King's organization. Yeah, you know, I just I thought that
Speaker 1: was going up while I was reading it, But there
Speaker 1: it is. I won't read it again for everybody on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I think is taking a shit somewhere I saw it.
Speaker 1: He was suddenly gone. But anyway, Marvin Bagley's agent blasting
Speaker 1: the Kings after he's gonna be left out of the rotation.
Speaker 1: Does Bagley's agent have a point here, Tray, what's what's
Speaker 1: your take?
Speaker 4: Well, his agent does have a point.
Speaker 8: Marvin Bagley's tenure on the Sacramento Kings is going to
Speaker 8: be a long chapter in the long history of mismanagement
Speaker 8: by the King's franchise. But honestly, it starts on draft
Speaker 8: night when they had an international Hall of Famer as
Speaker 8: their GM and an international once in the generation talent
Speaker 8: ready to.
Speaker 4: Be drafted right there. And I do think that this
Speaker 4: is part of it.
Speaker 8: Like the Luca and Trey success, it puts a weird
Speaker 8: light on guys like DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley, Like
Speaker 8: maybe it feels weird to these teams, the Kings and
Speaker 8: the Sons, to want to give a MAX extension to
Speaker 8: a not MAX player like those guys are that they
Speaker 8: could have had. Nonetheless, it is very strange. Marvin Bagley
Speaker 8: has played three thousand minutes in his NBA career. That's
Speaker 8: like one season for the top players out there, So yeah,
Speaker 8: he should get more minutes. A lot of it was
Speaker 8: he only played a few, you know, a handful of
Speaker 8: games his second season, didn't get a ton of minutes.
Speaker 8: But he's not doing things to earn more minutes. He's
Speaker 8: not a defensive presence out there, and the King's defense
Speaker 8: is the league's worst, and his offense on the other
Speaker 8: end of the court isn't good enough to make you
Speaker 8: want to play him extra minutes there as you're four
Speaker 8: or you're five, So he's kind of caught in a
Speaker 8: weird spot. It's like, if you're seven feet tall and
Speaker 8: a plus athlete, which Marvin Bagley is, you shouldn't shoot
Speaker 8: fifty percent. If you're shooting every single shot inside eight feet,
Speaker 8: you should probably shoot sixty percent. You should have some
Speaker 8: sort of physical presence at the rim or out on
Speaker 8: the perimeter defending. But he's just kind of drift through games.
Speaker 8: So yeah, maybe the King should give him more minutes,
Speaker 8: but also Marvin Bagley should earn more minutes. That being said,
Speaker 8: I love an angry agent email coming through like this.
Speaker 8: The last one I can remember was Matist Thibel's agents
Speaker 8: getting very mad that the assistant coaches left him off the.
Speaker 4: Rookie sophomore game. This is similar to that.
Speaker 8: But you never want to hear that number two draft
Speaker 8: pick is out of the rotation before the season even starts.
Speaker 4: What a bad start to the King season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tess, what do you think about Jeff Schwartz here?
Speaker 1: And is the way he's handling this by just putting
Speaker 1: the kings on full blasts and you could have traded him,
Speaker 1: but you wanted value. And now you're not even go
Speaker 1: to play him in the rotation. What's going on? Make
Speaker 1: up your mind? I think is what he's.
Speaker 3: Saying right, And I agree from a practical standpoint, How
Speaker 3: the heck is Marvin Bagley not playing in this rotation?
Speaker 3: Who is playing over him? I get that he is
Speaker 3: not a defensive presence. They were by far the thirtieth
Speaker 3: best defense in the league last year. Did a problem
Speaker 3: for him and getting minutes. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: this is his contract year. He is going to play
Speaker 3: as best as he has ever played. And last year
Speaker 3: he was decent enough to come off the bench. And
Speaker 3: I go back to the rotation, who's taking his minutes
Speaker 3: even as a bench player. I don't know their bigs
Speaker 3: are Alex Len, Damian Jones, Rashaun Holmes starting Chimezi Metu.
Speaker 3: Tristan Thompson is there. You know, he's way past his prime,
Speaker 3: and those are the bigs more heartless.
Speaker 2: I guess could be taking his minutes.
Speaker 3: That it's totally I get it from a Bractale's standpoint.
Speaker 3: Jess Swartz is right mismanagement. I think Marvin Bagley should
Speaker 3: be playing and seeing if he could add something defensively
Speaker 3: to his game. Again, because this is this is Bagley's
Speaker 3: career right here. Of course he's going to play past
Speaker 3: this season, but this is a contract year for him.
Speaker 3: I don't think Josh Schwartz expected him to be a
Speaker 3: MAX guy by any means. They didn't extend him. But
Speaker 3: Josh Schwartz expects some minutes. But is this the right
Speaker 3: way to go about it. I don't think so. I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe he's been wrong timing time again and again and again.
Speaker 2: I guess by the.
Speaker 3: Kings front office, we've had Marvin Bagley this second, Marvin
Speaker 3: Bagley's dad speak out about Marvin Bagley's minutes before.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem right to me.
Speaker 3: It feels like even the Matisse s Thaibel incident that
Speaker 3: Trey brought up, that was a tweet and that wasn't
Speaker 3: a formal letter written by an agent. It seems like
Speaker 3: bad form to me. I mean, that's just it's not
Speaker 3: my game. I don't really understand it. I don't really
Speaker 3: get it. I can understand him being pissed, but I
Speaker 3: would expect a one to one conversation with Luke Walton
Speaker 3: or whoever to try and get him in the rotation
Speaker 3: or trying to understand it would be more important. But
Speaker 3: maybe he's past that point. I don't get I don't
Speaker 3: know why he's not playing really when it comes down
Speaker 3: to it, even if he's not a good defensive player,
Speaker 3: even if he struggles on that end.
Speaker 1: Lay anything to add here to the Bagman situation.
Speaker 7: Actually, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 7: hold on.
Speaker 1: No year, he's not I know, I still have I
Speaker 1: still have faith in Marvin Bagley gonna be a decent
Speaker 1: enough player in this league.
Speaker 2: Uh, he must have.
Speaker 1: Like Jeff Schwartz, his agent was told from the Kings
Speaker 1: he's not playing right. Otherwise you don't send this, uh
Speaker 1: you know, pretty scathing tweet here, or at least a
Speaker 1: photo of all the words that you want to say
Speaker 1: in your tweet that you don't want to do a
Speaker 1: thread with Lee. So he's been told like we're going small.
Speaker 1: We got the bigs that we like, I guess Holmes
Speaker 1: and Tristan Thompson and Mitto. Like he said, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a little weird. Uh, seems a strange way to
Speaker 1: go about maybe trying to build the value of a
Speaker 1: guy like Trey said that barely has ever played. But
Speaker 1: you got nothing to add Lelely, you think he's just
Speaker 1: what eventually will be moved here.
Speaker 7: He must be, Yeah, yeah, he has to be. But
Speaker 7: the Kings, I remember, took the safe option. Don't try,
Speaker 7: don't drop Luca just in case it doesn't work out.
Speaker 7: Take bag. He's a sure bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Rough, Look, I think I definitely think a new situation.
Speaker 7: You coach all those sort of cliche things. Get him
Speaker 7: into the right system, and I think he can be
Speaker 7: effective play because he can stretch the floor. Is a
Speaker 7: big guy, but it's just not there in Sacramento. So
Speaker 7: the quicker he gets out of there, the better for him.
Speaker 1: Smooth move by Jeff Schwartz, though, to not demand a
Speaker 1: trade like he did. Stop short there.
Speaker 7: So tell me you're demanding a trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he may not get fired. I don't know we'll
Speaker 1: still get fired for that. I don't think he doesn't
Speaker 1: see me. He's just like, why aren't you playing me?
Speaker 1: And why didn't you trade me? If you're not going
Speaker 1: to play me? We'll see final little thing here. We
Speaker 1: still have tweet of the night and we got pick
Speaker 1: them and all that. The first twenty five members of
Speaker 1: the NBA's seventy fifth anniversary team have officially been revealed.
Speaker 1: I am not going to read all twenty five names.
Speaker 1: If you're on YouTube, you're seeing them here in a
Speaker 1: very very slick graphic from the NBA and NBA dot
Speaker 1: Com the day one reveal twenty five names there. I
Speaker 1: just have some thoughts on how they're going about rolling
Speaker 1: this out. I find it very weird. So we got
Speaker 1: twenty five last night. There's gonna be twenty five more
Speaker 1: this afternoon on ESPN at three o'clock, I believe on
Speaker 1: Melika Andrews New Show If I'm a Guessing Man, and
Speaker 1: then twenty five more on Thursday night before the doubleheader
Speaker 1: on TNT. But even last night Tasks, they're listing five
Speaker 1: names at a time over the length of the ninety
Speaker 1: minute broadcast. It was so weird. It was like here's
Speaker 1: a graphic with five names on it. There's absolutely no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason of the names, like the order that
Speaker 1: we're getting these from what I could tell, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not alphabetical. It's not like broken into different eras.
Speaker 1: It's not by night, it's not by jersey numbers. It's
Speaker 1: like just they just are like, here you go, here's five.
Speaker 4: Gonna hit you with a Hal Grier right off the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, out of their face right number one. He's the goat.
Speaker 1: I just don't get how they're going about this. The
Speaker 1: only thing I can think of is that T and
Speaker 1: T and ESPN were like fighting over who was going
Speaker 1: to get to announce these and then they were like,
Speaker 1: well drop both got to get a part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so they came up with this because the last
Speaker 1: thing we need on opening night of the NBA season
Speaker 1: is this.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I get it's the seventy fifth season. I get that
Speaker 1: ties in nicely, but like, to me, this screams lee
Speaker 1: like a ninety minute special where we can actually like
Speaker 1: show some love to some of these guys. That was
Speaker 1: the other thing. They're photos there, you know, no video
Speaker 1: of any of these guys. No like accolades, like you
Speaker 1: know x amount of All Star selections and all this,
Speaker 1: like that's all on their website and that's fine and Danny,
Speaker 1: but like, come on, like we're trying to celebrate the
Speaker 1: game here to especially maybe a younger audience, and it
Speaker 1: was like it was like a who cares. It was
Speaker 1: sort of it's really weird to me how they went
Speaker 1: about this. I was a little disappointed, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 7: Actually think they watch our show and thought, you know,
Speaker 7: what's one of the best segments they do, Hey, what
Speaker 7: about this guy? I think that's the sort of a hart,
Speaker 7: you know, because they didn't want to name you know,
Speaker 7: this is the number one, this is number ten or whatever,
Speaker 7: and so instead it was like, let's just name some
Speaker 7: guys and they're all top seventy five, and it actually
Speaker 7: is like then people can't say, oh, you should have
Speaker 7: been higher, you should have been lower.
Speaker 9: Okay, that's fine, but like, mai name them all at once,
Speaker 9: or at least named the first twenty five once. If
Speaker 9: you watch the broadcast, I swear to got it was like,
Speaker 9: here's five guys, and then you know, Chuck and Ernie
Speaker 9: in the gang are talking about something else and then hey,
Speaker 9: back from cords will break. Here's another five guys, and
Speaker 9: like then we went to the Bucks ceremony, which took
Speaker 9: like thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Nora like she's like, how many have
Speaker 1: they named? I'm like, I think there's ten to go.
Speaker 1: And it was like five minutes left on the podcast,
Speaker 1: like they just snuck.
Speaker 3: Them in there.
Speaker 1: I just feels it feels so lame to me, this
Speaker 1: the rollout, the decision to do this this way. In fact,
Speaker 1: I would almost prefer they just saved it to All
Speaker 1: Star week.
Speaker 3: See, aren't they gonna have guys come out on All
Speaker 3: Star Weekend?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, but maybe try and kept it a
Speaker 1: surprise and do it that way, Like this is this
Speaker 1: is weird, And I know, I guess by the end
Speaker 1: of Thursday night, maybe on Friday morning we're debating, like, oh,
Speaker 1: can you believe so and so is left off the
Speaker 1: list and that's when the debates kick off. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought it was I think it's disrespectful in
Speaker 1: a weird way that they get no shine, they get
Speaker 1: no like to again someone that doesn't know how greer, Well,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us about them a little bit?
Speaker 1: Like a tiny, tiny bit.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if this is accurate information, but
Speaker 3: I'll give you something about how Greer from the stream
Speaker 3: team perfect timing for how grew.
Speaker 2: They just unveiled his statue at Marshall University.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that nugget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks mint Prozac. Well, I'll say a few things.
Speaker 3: I guess they believe All Star Weekend is their celebration
Speaker 3: of the seventy five names. So maybe they're just waiting
Speaker 3: until the Okay, so yes, and maybe maybe you'll see
Speaker 3: you know exactly what you said, celebrating the game, celebrating
Speaker 3: these guys will understand them a little bit more. But
Speaker 3: I am surprised that they're doing this this way, that
Speaker 3: they're waiting three days. Are you listening, Jeremy Levin? Are
Speaker 3: you listening? Why they're waiting three days to make this happen?
Speaker 3: Because they lean into not the rankings. I agree that
Speaker 3: they shouldn't be ranking them, but they lean into the
Speaker 3: debate the NBA. I think is okay with unveiling the
Speaker 3: seventy five names and having the debates happen. You don't
Speaker 3: listen the alphabetically, as you said, and then let the
Speaker 3: debates roll. But over doing it over three days. The
Speaker 3: other the debates are absolutely eliminated. They're gone, So it
Speaker 3: doesn't really make sense why you would, Yeah, take the
Speaker 3: steam out of it, as you're saying, Skeets, I agree
Speaker 3: that you can. If the celebration is later on, I
Speaker 3: get it. But yeah, you know, make it a fifteen
Speaker 3: minute part of the show and make it happen. I
Speaker 3: agree with that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they want debate because if you go
Speaker 1: to NBA dot com slash seventy five, where you can
Speaker 1: see the first twenty five names and again you can
Speaker 1: click on each name and it takes you to their
Speaker 1: individual page and there's photos, and there's their accolades and
Speaker 1: a write up. That's great. It says right there on
Speaker 1: that page task agree, disagree, let's hear it. And then
Speaker 1: it's got like all the NBA like social media channels.
Speaker 1: So of course they want us to eventually be debating
Speaker 1: player X, making it overplayer Y.
Speaker 4: It's just this.
Speaker 1: Strange, slow, just deflating rollout in my opinion, Trey, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you agree or disagree.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's I don't know, it's just weird.
Speaker 8: It's just weird to do twenty five at a time,
Speaker 8: and then you'll be like, I'm gonna get angry in
Speaker 8: two days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically, right, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 8: Or I'm gonna look at the name on the list
Speaker 8: of twenty five and pick that out as the one
Speaker 8: I want to debate, despite the fact that I have
Speaker 8: no idea what Jerry Lucas was doing way back when.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I guess.
Speaker 8: I guess it gives us three days to talk about it.
Speaker 8: That's probably the difference, right, that's what they want to
Speaker 8: do is talk about it for three days rather than
Speaker 8: seventy five minutes on one day. I don't know, it's weird,
Speaker 8: it's I don't know. I would have liked to see
Speaker 8: it at a halftime of the All Star Game too.
Speaker 8: That would have been the most exciting way to do it,
Speaker 8: bring everybody out, but that's also probably not realistic to
Speaker 8: introduce seventy five or sixty five. However, you're still living
Speaker 8: players at halftime of an All Star Game, so I
Speaker 8: don't know. Once you've got that much history, there's a
Speaker 8: lot of history to it, so it takes a little
Speaker 8: bit of time.
Speaker 4: I suppose you got to.
Speaker 3: Take it the rings off the Stanley Cup. You just
Speaker 3: you can't have all the teams on there.
Speaker 1: As for the actual first twenty five names, you know,
Speaker 1: you said, Jerry Lucas, Dave Collins is there as well.
Speaker 1: Some people are a little surprised maybe by them still
Speaker 1: being in the mix, which I think means there are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of current snubs, if you
Speaker 1: want to call them current snubs, you know, a more
Speaker 1: recent sort of a hall of famers lea. And that
Speaker 1: just goes back to our debate about how they decided
Speaker 1: to do this list too, Like it wasn't we got
Speaker 1: the fifty greatest players of all time, let's add twenty
Speaker 1: five more. They told people that were actually voting on this, Nope,
Speaker 1: pretend that list doesn't exist and just go with the
Speaker 1: streets seventy five. But if you heard Chuck and Ernie,
Speaker 1: who had votes and are part of this panel last
Speaker 1: night on the broadcast, they were like, that's weird to them,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it like that is a little strange,
Speaker 1: Like you got to like start removing guys, And I
Speaker 1: think there's just going to be so many that were
Speaker 1: on the original fifty that are going to be on
Speaker 1: a lot of people seventy five because I think people
Speaker 1: also feel bad when they went to making their list,
Speaker 1: so that means there's gonna be a ton of snubs.
Speaker 7: I think, Yeah, I think you can only insult those
Speaker 7: players who no longer make the top seventy five. And
Speaker 7: I think you just didn't need to do that because
Speaker 7: you always want to remember that the players that came
Speaker 7: before you. And that's the thing. I don't think anyone
Speaker 7: who makes that next list would say, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 7: was way better than a guy I never saw before.
Speaker 7: You always want to show respect and say, oh, that
Speaker 7: guy was first and he earned his spot, and now
Speaker 7: I've earned my spot. So yeah, that definitely was a
Speaker 7: weird thing to do. And yeah, I'm interested to see
Speaker 7: who the biggest guy, not the biggest snub, but who
Speaker 7: the biggest guy who just gets cut from that top fifty,
Speaker 7: because it's gonna be it's Yeah, that's probably going to
Speaker 7: generate more talking points than you know, the guys who
Speaker 7: didn't make it from the current crop, because they've figured
Speaker 7: they've still got time to make it. Although I guess
Speaker 7: in twenty five years they'll probably say, right, throw that
Speaker 7: seventy five with a brand.
Speaker 1: On top one hundred. Yeah, I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: I hope there's a clerical error and like they forget
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. That will cause some debate.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like going when going to the All Star
Speaker 3: of Voting ballot when you vote and you screw up
Speaker 3: and you vote for Seth.
Speaker 2: Curry, Jordan, Poole's gonna be Yeah, Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan will be on there. It's uh, it's one of
Speaker 3: those things I know that they're putting it on the website, like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's debate this. But maybe they are trying to limit
Speaker 3: the the hate at Jerry Lucas and and Hal Greer
Speaker 3: and the Gut and Bob Pettitt and and those guys
Speaker 3: who who deservedly were on the top fifty and even
Speaker 3: Dave Cowens, as you said, they're skeets. So maybe maybe
Speaker 3: that's how they're kind of diffusing it here, because yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna die out, the hate and the vitriol and
Speaker 3: the even just the debate period over three days, it's
Speaker 3: gonna die out. It's gonna fizzle out. And so maybe
Speaker 3: they just don't want it that way. But then why
Speaker 3: not just add twenty five entirely? You guys, yeah, and
Speaker 3: you did a great job. If people haven't watched go Back,
Speaker 3: Skeets dropped his Top seventy five in the offseason not
Speaker 3: long ago, a couple of weeks ago, and you should
Speaker 3: go check out that show, because I do think you know,
Speaker 3: you dropped a couple of these legends to make your
Speaker 3: new seventy five.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I didn't. I was I was
Speaker 1: just adding twenty five new locks.
Speaker 3: Oh right, right right.
Speaker 1: I thought some of these guys that are on the
Speaker 1: top fifty will ultimately not be on the top seventy five.
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. I think there will be
Speaker 1: a few emissions as well as guys that didn't make
Speaker 1: the top fifty, like Dominique Wilkins. I think for sure
Speaker 1: he's going to be included over the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, my whole thing was like twenty five like
Speaker 1: quote unquote current players that are gonna be new locks
Speaker 1: that weren't on the top. But go check that out.
Speaker 4: A few you guys who made it. I think I
Speaker 4: think this is right.
Speaker 8: Only five on the first list Jannis, Kevin Durant, James Harden,
Speaker 8: Steve Nash, and Dirk Novitski. So I mean that's five. Yeah,
Speaker 8: if you math it out, that's going to be fifteen,
Speaker 8: you know, new players for a lack of a better word.
Speaker 8: So is that what they're gonna do? You think it's
Speaker 8: going to be this low? I mean, fifteen sort of
Speaker 8: modern players than maybe another ten Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo
Speaker 8: sorts who should have maybe made the list the first time.
Speaker 1: We'll see can't wait to find out the next twenty
Speaker 1: five today at three pm ESPN.
Speaker 3: I love how they kept some black and white photos,
Speaker 3: though they didn't try and modernize.
Speaker 1: I still think they had colored photos for some of
Speaker 1: these guys. George is that Lee Ellis or George Biken.
Speaker 7: We saw some call of three D foot or HD
Speaker 7: footage of Will Changlin the other day, Gone Around.
Speaker 1: Shot George mil I was showing Lee doing his best Jordan.
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's doing. This looks like the
Speaker 1: loading screen for the worst video game of all Okay,
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Well, uh, you know, let me know if
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with my thoughts on how they're
Speaker 1: doing this. Maybe you were a fan of it five
Speaker 1: at a time, so you could sort of like take
Speaker 1: it in and uh, you know, digest it a little
Speaker 1: bit better than seventy five names coming at you. I
Speaker 1: just think it's weird. I thought it was very strange
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm I get that, I'm way in. I'm
Speaker 1: into this way more than probably most people. Is the
Speaker 1: other part. They're probably looking at it. The producers like
Speaker 1: nobody cares. There's like eight people out there that care,
Speaker 1: and them are on the same show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well you got Nora, you wrote Nora into it.
Speaker 2: How many have they reveal like I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was gonna be I have. I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more of a like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool seventy fifth anniversary here, at least
Speaker 1: the first twenty five names, and I thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna be an alphabetical and all that. So maybe it
Speaker 1: was just naive of me to think. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be more of like an event task
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'll tell Lenor, like, this could
Speaker 1: be pretty cool, and it was not cool.
Speaker 3: Well that's why that's why I think they are saving
Speaker 3: it for a cool evening in Cleveland in February.
Speaker 1: We'll be seeing I wish they just saved it then
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, maybe you'll be there.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you can read.
Speaker 1: That I'll be in the top seventy five. Amazing. All right,
Speaker 1: we got still tweeted the night. We got pick the
Speaker 1: results and our new picks for tonight. But first a
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Speaker 1: to tweet of the night.
Speaker 3: Tweet of the night. Wow, Twitter, Come.
Speaker 1: Where do you go?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah? So I thought it was probably going to
Speaker 7: be a fair bit to choose from last night, but
Speaker 7: this one actually came in fairly early, and it was
Speaker 7: from Dane Moore NBA, who covers the Wolves for Blue
Speaker 7: Wire Pods there, and he just tweeted out something pretty simple.
Speaker 7: Karl Anthony Towns said his pregame ritual to pump him
Speaker 7: up this season is watching two Gorillas death. Now you
Speaker 7: know it's it's a bit of a weird tweet. There's
Speaker 7: a little bit more contact from our own John Kay
Speaker 7: here as well, who says, like, you know, Towns are
Speaker 7: sort of talking about how when you know Gorilla's going
Speaker 7: to the jungle, you know they've got to fight it out.
Speaker 7: One of us has got to leave. And so I
Speaker 7: think that's more what Karl Anthony Towns are saying. He
Speaker 7: knows he's going up against like big strong guys and
Speaker 7: he wants to sort of take that mentality in there.
Speaker 2: So no one's dying on the court. I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I don't think so. But good stuff, good stuff for
Speaker 7: our first tweet of the night.
Speaker 1: Do you have a pregame, a pre show ritual? Lea,
Speaker 1: are you firing up missus del fire before we jump
Speaker 1: on here? What are you doing frendo Chino shirts around that?
Speaker 7: Actually, you know what, I have been doing a little
Speaker 7: bit this week. Here's a little this is what they
Speaker 7: call him the bees Teas. I've been doing a little
Speaker 7: bit of reading. Oh yeah, I've got a book by
Speaker 7: Scottie Pippen. Now look, this book is the Advanced Reader's Edition,
Speaker 7: not for sale or quotations, so I'm not going to
Speaker 7: spoil it, but I will say, ooh, it's a space here,
Speaker 7: and I might have some more news about this book
Speaker 7: in a week or so. Stay tune, go, stay tuned.
Speaker 4: We we are an animal lover, Yes, who likes to
Speaker 4: watch a video of an animal?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 4: Do you watch animal fate videos?
Speaker 7: Yes? Because I like to see like things that are unusual, like,
Speaker 7: for example, crocodiles don't have any predators, but if the
Speaker 7: crocodile's in the wrong place at the wrong time, you know,
Speaker 7: he faces some opponent, Like hippos aren't afraid of crocodiles.
Speaker 7: Crocodiles try to attack those hippos babies. And oh man,
Speaker 7: there's a couple of videos out there of a crock
Speaker 7: just getting destroyed. There's also some videos going round of
Speaker 7: like a cayman, which is a smaller crocodile.
Speaker 2: Chris and a.
Speaker 7: Jaguar jumps into the water. Steve Irwin style lands on
Speaker 7: the cayman with his teeth in his neck to kill
Speaker 7: him and then has to pull him up this like
Speaker 7: muddy slippery slope there to get him out there to
Speaker 7: feed to his kids. Now, funny thing is, I'm just
Speaker 7: not sure, like a you know, reptilian like that a crocodilian,
Speaker 7: I should say, would be all that could eating. I
Speaker 7: think they'd be pretty tough, you know. Yeah, I have
Speaker 7: eaten crocodile. Yeah, I haven't caught it myself and then
Speaker 7: had to like.
Speaker 3: You know, tender raise.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah. But I just thinking, if you're the
Speaker 7: baby jagguers, you're like on the teeth are still really formed?
Speaker 7: It can't you just bring us back a zebra or
Speaker 7: something like that a little bit easier eating.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you're not like that tough hide.
Speaker 4: Ah, you don't think that. You don't eat the outside
Speaker 4: of a banana. You don't eat a banana.
Speaker 7: I don't eat that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 7: I know you're supposed to it. You're supposed to be
Speaker 7: full of vitamins, but supposed well, they say that's healthier
Speaker 7: part post.
Speaker 1: So can we, starting tomorrow, have you over the next
Speaker 1: three days unless you're a top twenty five most dangerous
Speaker 1: animals in order, just share five at a time. We'll
Speaker 1: get to seventy five.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: I guess really all right, that was a great tweet
Speaker 1: that had a lot of people laughing and sharing videos
Speaker 1: of animals fighting, which I guess, yeah, for some can
Speaker 1: can pump you up. And Karl Anthony Towns is gonna
Speaker 1: He's gonna try it this season. We're all rooting for him.
Speaker 1: I hope it works. Trey. Speaking of tweets, you had
Speaker 1: something for us about something we got into on yesterday's
Speaker 1: show that the people were commenting on.
Speaker 8: I did, I did skeets, but then we went an
Speaker 8: hour and forty minutes talking about two basketball games, and
Speaker 8: I was like, should this just be a big tea zone. Nonetheless,
Speaker 8: we got a great tweet from John Horn after yesterday's
Speaker 8: Beach Step in episode where we got talking about whether
Speaker 8: you would like to see the Knicks play in Madison
Speaker 8: Square Garden or the Nets play in Barclays Center, and
Speaker 8: how that relates to musical acts playing at different venues.
Speaker 8: John tweeted in to us. He said the No Dunks
Speaker 8: team over complicating Nick's MSG versus Nets Barclays was wild.
Speaker 8: Metaphors within metaphors. Tom Petty called Madison Square Garden probably
Speaker 8: the greatest.
Speaker 4: House of rock and roll around.
Speaker 8: Why add other venues to the comparison? He continued to
Speaker 8: Petty at MSG Better outcast at MSG Better, a live
Speaker 8: No Dunks podcast that MSG sold out guaranteed is better.
Speaker 8: So I guess that's your answer. I think it was
Speaker 8: Danny who emailed in asking what he should do. I
Speaker 8: think this is a Valentine's Day game. It was what
Speaker 8: Nicks versus Thunder. That's John's recommendation is to go there.
Speaker 1: Okay, But I did respond to John on Twitter and
Speaker 1: I get what he's saying. Look, no one loves Madison Square,
Speaker 1: Gordon Martin, I do. I've talked about it for years
Speaker 1: on the show. But I said this, and I think
Speaker 1: this was the metaphor the comparison I should have went with.
Speaker 1: Would you rather go see the WOJE pod, a live
Speaker 1: WOJE pod at Madison Square Garden, or come see a
Speaker 1: live No Dunks pod at the Barclay Center. One is
Speaker 1: the superior venue, but no offense to who you're not
Speaker 1: No Dunk's live Baby. Nothing beats that. So that's the
Speaker 1: better comparison. That's what I was trying to get at with.
Speaker 4: I think that's a perfect comparison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and well John said his answer was to
Speaker 1: see WOSHSG. That's the wrong answer.
Speaker 8: On Barclays is designed for audio outfit. It's all about
Speaker 8: the it's not about sidelines. It's about sound lines there.
Speaker 8: But it doesn't stop with John's tweet because I mentioned
Speaker 8: on yesterday's show that I was having a laugh thinking
Speaker 8: about a tribe called Quest performing at Red Rocks with skeets.
Speaker 8: I think was your analogy for the Knicks playing at
Speaker 8: Madison Square Garden. Well, my buddy and college roommate who
Speaker 8: lives in Denver, Big Smooth, texted me immediately after the
Speaker 8: show to say, FYI, I've seen Tribe and Outcast at
Speaker 8: red Rocks.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: I said, how was it?
Speaker 1: He said, fucking awesome.
Speaker 8: Tribe was his wife's first show at Red Rocks, So yeah,
Speaker 8: I guess that's a good place to say it. And
Speaker 8: then I kept looking at the Internet and various things
Speaker 8: on Instagram, only to discover that Dead and Company is
Speaker 8: playing a two night stand at Red Rocks last night
Speaker 8: and tonight let's go fly out. Yeah, trust me, I
Speaker 8: was a messaging with Larry not too long ago. If
Speaker 8: it hadn't been on the night of the NBA season
Speaker 8: starting and then the second night of the NBA season,
Speaker 8: that would be a great place. And honestly, a band
Speaker 8: that's a little bit past their prime playing at a
Speaker 8: prime location that might be your perfect analogy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, I knew we would get there. It
Speaker 1: just took us two shows at an hour forty of
Speaker 1: this one. But that's okay.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love we love that engagement. Guy, So tweet at
Speaker 1: us at No Dunk saying, okay, before we go test
Speaker 1: pick them results, you were the only one to take
Speaker 1: the nets last night. Unfortunately, got that wrong because the
Speaker 1: Bucks sort of smacked them around. So that's a win
Speaker 1: for Trey, Lee and myself. You're down one early. But
Speaker 1: what's our game tonight?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 3: Well, another one that's a very close line to toss up.
Speaker 3: The Celtics going to visit the New York Knicks. The
Speaker 3: next are favorite by one and a half. We met
Speaker 3: our picks before the show. Three of us skeets, myself
Speaker 3: and Trey are going with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2: Lee, who wasn't too.
Speaker 3: High on the New York Knicks in our previews, he's
Speaker 3: taken the New York Knicks at home. He's gone to
Speaker 3: see the Knicks to Nate, why did you take the next?
Speaker 7: Lee? Ah? Well, Tibbs talked about their preseason and just
Speaker 7: said how every single thing is important and they were
Speaker 7: playing pretty well in that preseason, so maybe there's some
Speaker 7: momentum there, maybe there's some preseason bump. Kember back in
Speaker 7: New York as well, making his debut for the Knicks.
Speaker 7: Don't think they've got any significant injury concerns coming into tonight,
Speaker 7: so I think that crowd's going to be pretty packed,
Speaker 7: pretty hyped up. I can see the Knicks getting the
Speaker 7: W tonight, hopefully it's by at least two points.
Speaker 1: I find these first couple of Pickham's every year difficult
Speaker 1: because what happens, at least with me, is like, I'm
Speaker 1: convinced the Celtics are going to be a pretty good
Speaker 1: team this year. I think they're being slept on a
Speaker 1: little bit. So then this being the first pick them game,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if I think the Celtics are going
Speaker 1: to surprise people and be like a top five pick,
Speaker 1: that means I have to have them winning games like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's like that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily true. They could lose to the Knicks and still
Speaker 1: have a really good record.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and the home court juice is real. What
Speaker 3: Lee's saying about the Knicks, just your first game at home.
Speaker 3: The Raptors started three and zero once upon a time
Speaker 3: with Lauren Woods and Chris Bosh lining up and they
Speaker 3: were just bad team. But you get some juice gone
Speaker 3: from the preseason. It happens.
Speaker 7: I think Kimba would like to maybe send a little
Speaker 7: message to the Celtics tonight as well, if he could matter.
Speaker 2: That's why I kind of picked well, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Revenge backcourt from the Knicks versus the Celtics. Eleven games
Speaker 1: on tonight, my goodness. Everybody get your league pass ready.
Speaker 1: Raptors are one of those teams playing tonight at home
Speaker 1: back in Canada, hosting the Wizards. But we'll be back
Speaker 1: here tomorrow to try and break down as many games
Speaker 1: as possible. There is a new episode of Survivor tonight too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're definitely not going to Red Rocks Tray. There's just
Speaker 1: too many games on and a Survivor episode. My goodness.
Speaker 1: So if you are a fan of Survivor, join us
Speaker 1: live over at No Buffs, our separate YouTube feed, our
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Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern, so that's tomorrow around five thirty if
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