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Speaker 1: You were playing already for Rollins. I played for Calsei Fullers,

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget what I saw on my score

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Speaker 1: Halle grow up and this and that, and so that

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Speaker 1: you remember this. We both we both hit it into

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Speaker 1: then we both somehow parted the whole.

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Speaker 1: I know, we dropped it and parted it. We were

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Speaker 3: Really have It probably wasn't very fun. No, we got

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now, now is a different story.

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everyone? Welcome back to the party. Also,

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Speaker 1: Happy Pride Month. Now, as you know that I'm sharing

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Speaker 1: our guest, who I know you're going to love, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you know, I figured that in

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Speaker 1: honor of Pride Month, today's topic will be my coming

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Speaker 1: out story. Gosh, it is a tough one and even

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Speaker 1: here we go. I realized my sexuality in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: So what is that like nine years ago now? And

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Speaker 1: I remember when it first happened. It was by complete accident.

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Speaker 1: It happened even through social media, not even in person,

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Speaker 1: so what a wild way to do it. Conversation really

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Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen became the most trialing periods

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Speaker 1: please welcome my dear friend, halle Ledbetter to the party.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the par t.

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Speaker 2: I see what you did there. First of all, say,

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Speaker 1: I did just launch my own women's golf apparel line.

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Speaker 1: It's called all In Golf. That's actually not my last name.

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Speaker 3: I remember trying to then go qualify for the US Open,

438
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 3: and I think I missed it by like two shots,

439
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 3: and I just broke down crying and called my mom

440
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 3: and I was like, I just I don't think I

441
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: can go back to Arkansas like I want to play,

442
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: and I just I needed more going on in my

443
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: life than just golf. So ultimately ended up transferring to Rollins,

444
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 3: which is a D two school. But I felt like

445
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 3: at the time I was thinking about I still maybe

446
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: wanted to turn pro, but I was like, I just

447
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: need to just reframe where what golf is in my life.

448
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: End up going to Rollins. Was on the Student Athlete Committee,

449
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: did a college radio show. My coach was very much

450
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 3: about explore your other interests, and yeah, I played a

451
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 3: lot better, and ultimately I think that's like for me.

452
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: I did end up turning pro after college.

453
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: I was going to ask I didn't know if you.

454
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 3: So you did it for like six months, and I

455
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 3: was like just kidding, but I could never quite crack

456
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 3: the how do I get out of my own way?

457
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: Because I still to this day like believe like physically

458
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: I'm good. I have a great obviously coach in place,

459
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 3: and I can and I have shot great scores. I

460
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 3: just could never quite figure out how to not attach

461
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 3: so much of my self worth to golf and so

462
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: yeah to the result. And so for me now, I

463
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 3: really enjoy playing tournaments just knowing that, like my living

464
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: isn't attached to it, right, but it's interesting and it's

465
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: and even to this day, I find myself doing what

466
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: I do now sometimes reverting into my old patterns and golf,

467
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 3: whether it's like if I don't get this job, then

468
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 3: I'm worthless, you know, if this company doesn't want to

469
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: work with me, then I suck or whatever. And it's

470
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,719
Speaker 3: like kind of having to relearn all those lessons because

471
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: in the same way that I was so passionate about golf,

472
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: I'm so passionate about everything that I work on now.

473
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Speaker 3: So it's really really difficult to be like this is

474
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: what I do, this is not who.

475
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: I am, and when and one.

476
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: What you do is an.

477
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: Expression of who you are.

478
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: Sure it's as you know, it's so hard hard to

479
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 3: not take criticism personally and just look at it as

480
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: like this is my craft. And what I found is

481
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 3: that very similar on the golf course, whether it's when

482
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 3: I'm nervous, generally it results in like a very very

483
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: quick swing. Yeah, And when I'm nervous now with a

484
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: micropvernt of my face, I normally start like stuttering and

485
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: sort of talking really quickly. And the body sensation of

486
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: like breaking into a cold sweat is the exact same

487
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: feeling if there was like out of bounds on the left.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, Wow, you're speaking so much life into me.

489
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: Like I actually didn't realize how similar our experiences were

490
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: from transitioning from professional golf to what we do now,

491
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: Like I am the same way. It was life or

492
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: death for me when I was a junior golfer and

493
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: coming into my professional golf. I had a little bit

494
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 1: of success on the miniataur circuit, but I still would

495
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: beat myself and that same mindset carried me over to

496
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: what we do now being a media personality. So I

497
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: feel you and I truly.

498
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: Believe more than ever.

499
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Speaker 3: And I've been recently talking to, you know, some girls

500
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: that are graduating from Rollins. I truly believe that doing

501
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: what you love for work is a real privilege. It is,

502
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 3: and it might take a really long time to get there. So,

503
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 3: like when you're just coming out of college, it's an experiment, right,

504
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: like you think you have an inkling. I was like,

505
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: don't get so caught up in the titles. Go towards

506
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: the feeling of what you really love to do. And

507
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: then solely, but surely, maybe the job that your first

508
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: job ever you ten percent you absolutely love, and then

509
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: your next job is twenty percent, but you have to love.

510
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: And then you get closer and closer to like loving everything,

511
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: and listen, you're never going to love everything. There's always

512
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 3: going to be it's hard day. It's like, I use

513
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: my dad as a perfect example of someone that genuinely loves,

514
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: loves his job, loves loves loves everything about his career.

515
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: Except you know, there's certain events and I'll be like.

516
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I really don't want to go to that he

517
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: has to go. But I think it's really hard when

518
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: what you do for a living you are so passionate

519
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 3: about and it is an expression of who you are

520
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: as a person. It's really really difficult to separate it

521
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: from who you are.

522
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to.

523
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: Bring it back to how you even got into the media.

524
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: So at what point did you realize you wanted to

525
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: step into the golf media while you were at Golf Digest. Yeah,

526
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: I bring me back.

527
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: Well, I think I always really wanted to.

528
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: Like I think when I was younger, I always joke

529
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: and this isn't really even a joke.

530
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely thought the Golf Channel show.

531
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 3: The Morning Drive was the news, and I thought I

532
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, Like I was like, oh man,

533
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: like what is da Damon Hack gonna tell us today?

534
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: Like this is this is the VBC.

535
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: And so for me, I was like, I'm going to

536
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: live in Orlando and I'm gonna host the Morning Drive.

537
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: Morning Drive doesn't exist anymore.

538
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 3: Like literally would watch to host the Morning Drive because

539
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: it does not exist. So for me, I always thought

540
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: that was really cool, and I would go with my

541
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: dad on shoots and I was always just really fascinated

542
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: by it.

543
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: And then I was like, no, I'm gonna play profession.

544
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: And then I think when I was at Rollins was

545
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: when my college golf coach really encouraged me to explore

546
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: my other interests, and that's when I started hosting the

547
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: college radio show that I would do before our team workout.

548
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: So I'd go five am to seven am college radio

549
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: with my friend Spencer Mumford, who you met. He was

550
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: a pitcher at Rollins and so we had a show

551
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: together no Way, which was really fun. And eventually, you know,

552
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: we got moved up to like a better time slot

553
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: in the afternoon and we would have our friends come

554
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: on the show.

555
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: And Rawlins is very small, it's basically a big high school.

556
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: He'd go to the cafeteria and like ask the lunch

557
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: ladies if they would put on the w p r

558
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: K radio station so that all of our friends in

559
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: the cafeteria could.

560
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Hear us on the radio. It's so cute and so yeah.

561
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: So that was kind of when I was like, oh,

562
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: this is really fun. I love interviewing people and I

563
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: love talking to people. Maybe I could somehow combine my

564
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: golf knowledge and my love for this. Then, after college

565
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: turn pro for a little bit, I did an internship

566
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: to complete my degree in New York City, and when

567
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 3: I was there, I got connected did via social media

568
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: with Ashley Mayo, who at the time was at Golf Digest,

569
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: and so her and I played golf at Bethpage Black

570
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: and then she texted me a couple months later, uh huh.

571
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if you're sure if

572
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: you'd be interested in this, but like, we have an

573
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: opening for a social media coordinator. And when I found

574
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: myself way more excited about moving to New York to

575
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: go work for Golf Digests and work with her than

576
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: living with my parents and continuing to pursue professional golf,

577
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: I knew that was kind of the move for me.

578
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: So I ended up going to Golf Digests and Ashley

579
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: was such an amazing person to learn from. Learn social

580
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: media basically sitting at a computer for eight hours a

581
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: day scheduling Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. I think God

582
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't have TikTok at the time. Yeah, an feel for

583
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: all the social managers, like all the.

584
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: Like stop in.

585
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: So that was a really great way to just learn,

586
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: especially with most of the stuff that I'm doing, whether

587
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: it's for myself or for brands or whatever, just having

588
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: a really understanding of like, Okay, well where is this

589
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: living and even like one of your shooting stuff and

590
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: I'm like, the camera you're really tight on me, Like

591
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: this is gonna be nine x sixteen. So, you know,

592
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: that's been really helpful just having that understanding, like because

593
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: as you know, you could have something really great, but

594
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: if it needs to be packaged a certain way for

595
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: sure to be seen to be the smallest thing exactly

596
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: so crazy it's captioning orventions or hooking them in the

597
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: first three seconds, god forbid, you know, So things like

598
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: that that I think I really gained an appreciation for.

599
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: And then also, you know, Ashley and the rest of

600
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: Golf Digest team, I would just kind of raise my

601
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: hand for like I'd be like, Hey, can I interview

602
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: this is on like Facebook Lives or really yeah? Yeah,

603
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: So I'd be like, can I do a Facebook live

604
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: with like Michelle Wee or Fasic Live with like whoever whoever.

605
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: I would just start like asking if I could do things,

606
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: and if it was a no, it was a no.

607
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: But if it was a yes, then I would be

608
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: like okay, and so yeah, just kind of but then.

609
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: From there it evolved to then you creating and scripting

610
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: and editing and also talking and then at what point

611
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: did you realize like I actually enjoyed being in front

612
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: of the camera.

613
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: I think I always knew that I wanted to be

614
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: in front of the camera. A lot of those things

615
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: that I was like raising my hand for, yeah, I

616
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 3: would find myself in front of the camera, the.

617
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: Interviewing and yeah, yeah, yeah that makes so.

618
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: And if I'm completely honest, I think it had probably

619
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: started as a bit of an ego thing and seeing

620
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: the Golf Channel people and like wanting to be on

621
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: camera and wanting to be seen like that.

622
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: But what I found more and more over time, I'm

623
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: almost going back the other direction, Like if I can't

624
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: make it better, then I don't want to be on camera.

625
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: For me, it's all about working with other creative people

626
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: and coming up with really cool stuff. And if I

627
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: can be in it and it makes sense to be

628
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: in it, then great. But if I can't make it

629
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: any better or someone else is better than me, by

630
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: all means, let's have them do it. Because I now

631
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: just enjoy like making content.

632
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that actually segways next my next question. But before

633
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I asked that, what do you enjoy more of now?

634
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Because you're in this really unique position, right, I mean,

635
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, the most sucessful people in our world

636
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: are multi hyphenates, and I strongly believe that you are

637
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: a multi hyphen in so many ways. You succeed in

638
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: many different realms, whether you are directing, scripting, creating, editing,

639
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: face of camera, being an influencer. What aspect do you

640
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: love the most? Like, what is it that you want

641
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: to be known for the most?

642
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: I think as much as being a multi hyphen it

643
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: is exciting, especially for someone with like ADHD because you're like,

644
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: ooh ooh, I.

645
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: Do really believe.

646
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: There's a book called Essentialism that was recommended to me

647
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: that you can be good at a lot of things,

648
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: or you can be great at one or two things. Absolutely,

649
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: and I have found I am a bit of control freak,

650
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: so I do like to insert myself and so I'm

651
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: recently now I'm trying to take on the mindset like

652
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: where can I make the highest point of contribution. So

653
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: even if it's like various projects where it's like okay,

654
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: I could do that, but I think I'll just focus

655
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: on this part of it because this is part of

656
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: my one or two things yea, you know. So for me,

657
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: it's it's hosting and it's producing slash like what I'm

658
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: calling like creative consulting. And I think it kind of

659
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: goes back to what I've been talking to, like these

660
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: young girls that that are graduating college recently.

661
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, what lights you up inside?

662
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: Because sometimes I've realized that's when I knew that, oh,

663
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: it isn't just being on camera, because I've had opportunities

664
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: where I've been on camera and I'm like, this is

665
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: fucking boring, and other times where I've been behind the

666
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: camera and I've been like.

667
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: This is so freaking fun.

668
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And so when I found it's like

669
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: it's just that through line of like creativity for me,

670
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: whether that's working with brands on the campaign or writing

671
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: sketches or you know.

672
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Get really good at that.

673
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, yeah, thank you, Well I can't. It's definitely.

674
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: We have a really great team that we put together

675
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: in LA We've got Kate Scarpetta, who's an amazing writer.

676
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: Played golf a Princeton, so she knows the game really well.

677
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: And for a Shaw, who's a stand up comedian, and

678
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: my brother and law Tuk. So we found like our

679
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: little crew and we meet and you know, get to

680
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: it's just so fun. So I say that's probably honestly,

681
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: my favorite part is like our weekly meetings where you're

682
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: just like.

683
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be funny? Da you just do it?

684
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: Can you just do it? Well?

685
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: No, tell me about it. So you've created an agency

686
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: now called the Better Content Code. Yeah, and so what

687
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: led to that moment? Because you've done everything, as I mentioned,

688
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: You've done the podcasting with Michelle Henny all. Yeah, actually

689
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: you've done a ton of your brother yeah, a lot,

690
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of different podcasts, and then you've worked with

691
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the biggest you know, media entities in golf, and now

692
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you've created an agency. What led to that moment? And

693
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: tell me all about it.

694
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: So, Andrew Wantak, who's my business partner, I was doing

695
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: this show for Golf Pass and how I got connected

696
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: with him was actually through Connor Moore, just such a

697
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: talented guy, and he had a show for Golf Pass

698
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: and I moved out here.

699
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: He said, hey, do you want to be in like

700
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: an episode or two?

701
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: So I was like yeah, So I thought that was

702
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: so cool, and we got to work with comedians like

703
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: Matt Walsh and Jim Jefferies and so ultimately, like a

704
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: year after that, I got to do a show for them,

705
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: which was a lot of sketch comedy. And Andrew was

706
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: my producer and so we had so much fun and

707
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: we thought we were going to get a second season,

708
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: and ultimately Golf Pass ended up pivoting to just golf Instruction,

709
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: and at the time I was very upset, but again,

710
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: looking back, I'm really glad they did.

711
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

712
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: Think if they did that it would have pushed me

713
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: to do what we're doing now, which, like Andrew and

714
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: I were like, hey, I'm like, I still really love

715
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: making these sketches.

716
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: I want to continue to do it. I think there's

717
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: a space for it.

718
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: So him and I teamed up to continue to do

719
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: those and then from that we started getting brands asking

720
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: us to be like, hey, could.

721
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: You make something funny and engaging for us.

722
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: So that's how we decided to start Better Content CO.

723
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: And what we say our mission is to connect and

724
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: inspire the modern golf audience.

725
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: So many different, many type people are playing golf.

726
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: The largest growing demographic of golfers that is growing as

727
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: young women. There is this new audience that we've spoken

728
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: to and a lot of times they're on social It's

729
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: not necessarily they're tuning in.

730
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it is a traditional broadcast, maybe it's not.

731
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: So.

732
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we started that in January and it's been going great.

733
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: Right, And I think it's really been fun to watch

734
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: you produce and create that because it's a different kind

735
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: of creative. Like we're all creatives, right, but there are

736
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: the things in silos that we do best in, Like

737
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: I know where my pillars are, and it is not

738
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: that it is not that like I like for you

739
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: guys to plan to script to Yeah, it's a very

740
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: different nuance, but I will say that it is really

741
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: cool to like watch you do your thing, and it's

742
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: been really cool to see commercials come into fruition in

743
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: such a short amount of time of establishing your company. Yeah.

744
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 3: No, it's really fun and we've been really just so

745
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: grateful for the reception and the interest.

746
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: So we're gonna shift things a little bit. I wanted

747
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: to actually touch on your dad, Yes, being David ledbetter.

748
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: So for those of you who may be newer to golf,

749
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: maybe not the traditional golfer, let me tell you her

750
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: dad is a goat and he is one of the

751
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: most renowned instructors in the world and has created an

752
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: empire of academies and fun fact, I am actually led

753
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Better certified. So me and Hallie are related. Yeah, we're

754
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: don't you see it? Yeah? So like I'm literally an

755
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: instructed because of her father, which is so unique. But

756
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask out of curiosity, like what

757
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: was that like for you growing up in golf and

758
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: then now becoming your own person in golf, but also

759
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: having your dad as your dad?

760
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, it's funny. There's like a couple

761
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: of funny moments I can think of on the golfers. One,

762
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: I used to be really afraid to play in front

763
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: of people, and then a mental coach they worked with

764
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: at the time was like, are you nervous playing in

765
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 3: front of your dad? And I was like no, It's

766
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: like okay, well then you have no one else to

767
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: feel nervous in front.

768
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: I was like, well, fair.

769
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: Point, that's a good point. Yeah.

770
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: But I think when I played golf, like I initially

771
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: would maybe get a little self conscious about it, but

772
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: then I realized, I mean, I feel like Charlie Woods

773
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: is kind of going through the same thing, but on like,

774
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: but time's a bajillion gagillion, right, you know, But for me,

775
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: it was very much like if you play well, of

776
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: course you play well, and if you don't play well,

777
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: it's what the hell's wrong with you? So ultimately I

778
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, whatever, I can't do anything of it.

779
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: You know, it is what it is. And so over time,

780
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: and I think too maybe with him being my coach

781
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: as well, when I was in high school, it was

782
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: really difficult for me. I was very argumentative as a teenager,

783
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: and so then it was only really until college and

784
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: when in college when I was like able to be like, Okay,

785
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: he's my dad right now. Now he's my golf coach,

786
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: and you know, vice versa. So we've always had a

787
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: really great relationship. I really admire my dad so much

788
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: just for the passions, work ethic and just who he

789
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: is as a person. And he also like really takes

790
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: everything very well, like when it comes to social media

791
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: comments or things people say about him or his teaching

792
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: methods or anything like, he's very much just like water

793
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 3: off a ducts back and I'm very much not I'm

794
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: like you, And he's like hally like, the more successful

795
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: you get, the more people you're gonna get talking about you. Yeah,

796
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: he's always on a great sounding board for that, but

797
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: I think too, like coming into the media space, it's

798
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: so different from what he does. But even now I'll

799
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: get like I think when I posted about better content

800
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: co on LinkedIn, some guy commented, must be nice to

801
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: have a dad like that, I'm like.

802
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: My dad doesn't know shit about production?

803
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

804
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: Like literally doesn't know anything, And so you kind of

805
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: just have to like let those comments go. But at

806
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: the same time, like, I don't think you'd mind me

807
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: sharing this, But like Michelle Wee Wes's husband, Johnny West

808
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: I had a conversation with him about it, and his

809
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: dad is Jerry West Right, and he was like, listen, like,

810
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: am I who I am because of my dad? Yeah,

811
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: in the sense that, like, do I probably know more

812
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 3: about basketball than the average guy?

813
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Do I have insights more than the average guy? Like absolutely?

814
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: For me. A lot of times when if people.

815
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: Don't know who my dad is and they're like, oh,

816
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: I'll give into the golf industry, I'm like, well, I'm

817
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: thirty two, thirty two years, like I've literally been around

818
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: this game more than most old white men, and I

819
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: know it probably better than they. Yeah, you know, and

820
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: so maybe for a while when I was really trying

821
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: to start making a name for myself, used to really

822
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: grind my gears. And now I'm like, I'm proud of

823
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: my dad, Like I'm proud of everything that he's accomplished.

824
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: You know, my mom played on the LPGA, She's fantastic.

825
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: I'm really proud of my family. And while yes, I've

826
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 3: definitely had advantages and I used them in the same

827
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: way that like, you know, my dad, he was going

828
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: to like I think of how I like, you know,

829
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: one of my best friends in the world as Amanda

830
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: Balliones and I met her because in college my dad

831
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: was going I don't know if it was like Royal

832
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: Liverpool at the time, like some British Open and I

833
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: was like, Dad, can I come with you to the

834
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: British Open and intern?

835
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: Can I just like email around? And He's like okay, yeah.

836
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: So you know, we ended up finding some intern I

837
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: got coffee for people, and I held an umbrella over

838
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: Amanda Ballionis's head.

839
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: Oh no way, And that's how I met her.

840
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: And so you look back and it's like, yes, would

841
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: I have had that opportunity if I didn't have my

842
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: dad and he wasn't able to ask like, hey, can

843
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: my daughter come and hold an umbrella over Amanda's head,

844
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Like for sure, but it's not like my dad was like, hey,

845
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: Golf Digest, like give Hallie her own show, you know.

846
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: And so yes, I'm not shy at all to say

847
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: that I have used my name to my advantage. But

848
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: I also think that I have a very unique take

849
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: on things and I know a lot of shit because

850
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: of my upbringing.

851
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: So I think he said it really well. And I

852
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: have grown up in golf, so I have known of

853
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: your dad's name for a while, but I can attest

854
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: for anyone who is just now looking at Halley stuff

855
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: or whatnot, Like I feel like, holl you have made

856
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: such a name for yourself out outside of your dad,

857
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: and you started this pod saying like how happy and

858
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: proud you are of me. But I'm gonna return the

859
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: favor because I am so proud of you. Like what

860
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: you do is so different, And yeah, you may have

861
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: had these opportunities to go to these places, but like

862
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: the amount of initiative it takes to be able to

863
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: accomplish what you've had, cold emailing, just having the courage

864
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: to just come up to people meet and just shake

865
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: hands and keep doing it for years and years and

866
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: years so that you can have the opportunities that you

867
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: have that was not handed to you like you did that.

868
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: No, no, I do.

869
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: You're creative.

870
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: Thank you.

871
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: I don't think your dad is he's not out. No,

872
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: he's super funny, but he's not. You know, I always laugh.

873
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, what would David Levetter have been like on TikTok?

874
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: Like what did that have been?

875
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty funny, be really good.

876
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: But no, and so yeah, I'm not try to say

877
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: I at all like I used my advantages or you know,

878
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: tried to get in rooms.

879
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: But once you get in there, you better be able

880
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 2: to perform for sure.

881
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't want anybody ever to second guess my

882
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: work ethic or my knowledge or my commitment that might

883
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: assume that I think I can skate by any means.

884
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: If anything, I think people look at me and go like,

885
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: well you you better like show up, you know, you

886
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: know exactly, So I really try to do my do

887
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: my absolute best.

888
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: Shifting gears now into a different realm. I think one

889
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: thing that I also love in terms of following you

890
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: is how vulnerable that I feel like you've been especially

891
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: in terms of of your mental health and mental health awareness,

892
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: and just wanted to ask you about like your journey

893
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: and your mental health.

894
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

895
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: So I I've always had really severe OCD, like ever

896
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: since I was a little girl. And I'm talking about

897
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: like weird stuff like having to touch things an even

898
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: amount of times, and like wearing certain colors on certain days,

899
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: and like my brain's always just been like a little funky.

900
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 3: And as I got older, I stopped doing the things

901
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: that were like outward because I realized that it was

902
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 3: like weird.

903
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: But my brain, I realized that people were like what

904
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: are you doing? Why are you tapping things?

905
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: You know?

906
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: And so as I got older and I realized like

907
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: it was like it's weird, stop doing it.

908
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: But my brain still works the same, Like it's still

909
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: you know.

910
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: You know, you watch those documentaries about people that like

911
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: wash their hands certain amount of time, you like have

912
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: to go back and check the ovens off because they're

913
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: afraid their house is going to burn down.

914
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that is me.

915
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: But over time you learn that OCD is a coping

916
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: mechanism to deal with feeling like things are out of control,

917
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: and it also can be partially genetic as well. So

918
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 3: there's all different types of factors that can I guess

919
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: cause it.

920
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like exima, which I also have.

921
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 5: Then it flares up, you know, like you're always gonna

922
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 5: have ecima and when you go to Colorado and it's

923
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: real dry, like you better pack your cortizone cream. You know,

924
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: that's kind of like and so my meds are kind

925
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: of like my cortisone cream, you know, And so it

926
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: definitely flares up.

927
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Like when I was at the Masters this year, like

928
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: was it bad?

929
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 3: You know, like my brain it was like really bad

930
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: because I again which is needed to feel like hyper

931
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: and control because I was It's a situation that I

932
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: perceived is very very important.

933
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: So then my brain goes, we have to keep everything

934
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: under control.

935
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: And so you learn with you know, via therapy, with meds,

936
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: you learn to kind of cope with it, and you

937
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: learn to also realize that like it's a double edged

938
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: sword as well. You know, like I am very organized

939
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: and I can think of like any possible outcome because

940
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to predict the future.

941
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that, and.

942
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: So you kind of just have to like curb the

943
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: negative side effects if you will at certain times.

944
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: So then how do you manage your mental health with

945
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: social media? One, because it's a very tough place, right,

946
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: even the most sane human being will not be okay

947
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: if you are just ingrained and you embody social media.

948
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: But also how do you manage it in social media

949
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: and being an in person always on talent because that's hard. Yeah, yeah,

950
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: well you chose quite the job. Yeah, well, I don't think.

951
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: You're really honest.

952
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: My therapist has said to me multiple times, your lifestyle

953
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: is not conducive to fantastic mental health. I'm like, okay,

954
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: well I'm not willing to change, right, So what are

955
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: some other levers that we can pull? And so for me,

956
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: it's like prioritizing rest, which and I'm curious what your

957
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: thought is on this because it might just be because

958
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: we come from this like very heavy athletic background, like resting.

959
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: To me, it's very difficult, Like it's very difficult, And

960
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: I really have tried to switch my mode instead of

961
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: like glorifying constantly feeling drained and stressed and being like

962
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: that's what makes a champion, because for whatever reason, I've

963
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: really internalized that that you have to be at.

964
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Your wits end at all times to.

965
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: Make sure that it means because that means that you're

966
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: giving it at all, and you have you got to

967
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: grind team no sleep, And like I've just realized recently,

968
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: if I'm unhappy and I'm not enjoying what I'm doing,

969
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: then what are we even doing here?

970
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: You know?

971
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: And so like yesterday I called Billy and I was like,

972
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: I've watched three episodes of Hacks and I feel bad.

973
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: And He's like, Hallie, Like it's almost like the opposite,

974
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: Like you need to get mad at yourself when you

975
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: don't let yourself rest. Because I've had a situations where

976
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: I've been like so burnt out and then we'll be

977
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: on a shoot and I literally will burst into tears

978
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: because I got like some feedback that upset me. Then

979
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: it becomes not fair to the people that have just

980
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: hired you because now you're burnt out. So that's where

981
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: I've like kind of reason. I'm like, listen, if you

982
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: do want to perform your best, you do need to

983
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: allow yourself to rest. Yeah, And so I've also kind

984
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 3: of realized that, like listen, I am thirty two years old.

985
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 3: I have lived with this, with this grind my mindset,

986
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: this athlete mindset, my whole life. It's gotten me to

987
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: this point. And I don't think I'm going to change,

988
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: Like I don't think I'm all of a sudden gonna

989
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: be able to be someone different. But like you know,

990
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: with working with my therapist, she's like, you're your ninety

991
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: percent is still like most people's like full you know,

992
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely absolutely.

993
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: I had to tell myself that too. So I am

994
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: very much under sail. So it's like really just a

995
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: game of balances and it it is so hard. So

996
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: we are actually already whining down in time. But I

997
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: do want to make sure that we cover this topic

998
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: because we are women golfers that have grown in it

999
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: for all of our lives. By literally what is your

1000
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on where woman's golf is at right now?

1001
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: Ooh, well, we are doing this podcast right after the

1002
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: new LPGA commissioner was announced. It's incredible, I kind of

1003
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: crazy timing and that I was at a PGA of

1004
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: America meeting just a couple of weeks ago and I

1005
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: sat next to Craig and spoke to him for quite

1006
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 3: a while.

1007
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: The new commissioner, Yeah, and obviously he wasn't gonna be Like.

1008
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed chatting with him and just learning, you know,

1009
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 3: about his family, and he's such a nice guy. I

1010
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: think the LPGA is going to be in great hands.

1011
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: So I'm super excited, you know, as someone that wanted

1012
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: to be on the LPGA and like yourself, it means

1013
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: so much to us, and so I'm really excited to

1014
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: see with his leadership what this new chapter brings. But

1015
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: in terms of women's golf in general, I'm just so

1016
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: excited to see so many women diving into it. Like

1017
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, the largest growing demo being young women.

1018
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: I hung out with some women from Bunker Club this morning.

1019
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: You did I did? We love to Hillary.

1020
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: Yes, she is doing some amazing stuff obviously with your

1021
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 3: clothing line, which is so cool. And then we see

1022
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: companies like Nike looking to reinvest in women's golf. That

1023
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 3: says a lot. I think it's really it's a really

1024
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: really exciting time. So yeah, I think I'm just really

1025
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: encouraged by the growth of I would say casual women's.

1026
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: And then this new leadership in the LPGA is very

1027
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: very exciting to me.

1028
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: What is something that you want to see more of

1029
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: in women's golf, Like, if you were the commissioner and

1030
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: you can make the rules, what is something that you'd

1031
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: want to implement or change?

1032
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: Well, one, I'm hoping that Craig, given his very strong

1033
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: golf industry background, will have the ear of the PGA

1034
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: Tour a little bit more sure, and you know Grant

1035
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: Thornton all day it's great, but like, I'd love to

1036
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: see more of that.

1037
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw that Nelly tire Woods content like

1038
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: that was really cool.

1039
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: That Morella what you're saying events.

1040
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, but most of the guys out there aren't

1041
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: the most interesting dudes, and there's a lot of really

1042
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: fantastic personalities on the LPGA, so let's infuse those together.

1043
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say a lot more cross collaboration,

1044
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: which I think would be more beneficial for the PGA

1045
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: Tour than they think I am, and obviously incredibly beneficial

1046
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: for the LPGA.

1047
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: So I'd love to see more of that.

1048
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I love that answer. How that is all the time

1049
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Speaker 1: that we have for you today. It was so fun.

1050
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