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Speaker 1: What up, guys, Ricky Hollywood Here, We've got some big

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl news on Thursday show, so make sure you

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Speaker 1: tune in and if you're a real die hard fan,

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Speaker 1: That way you'll be the first to know what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And trust me, you don't want to miss it. All right,

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Speaker 1: take it away, boys, be Around with the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: Got benched for a dude named du Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast, presented by the

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Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hans has

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Speaker 1: come to you from room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Just talking about it? We just without getting into details,

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Speaker 1: we had a nice newsroom conversation downstairs, the four of us,

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Speaker 1: the great Handsome Hank, another prominent figure in the NFL

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Speaker 1: media landscape, about a feud that this figure was involved

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Speaker 1: with um based on some podcast comments and then some twitters,

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Speaker 1: why are we, you know, going around and we were

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Speaker 1: defending Scott Hanson's honors because Michael Lombardi took an unprovoked

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Speaker 1: shot at him on Twitter, which I didn't know all about.

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Speaker 1: What we're not. I found out about it. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: We don't need to get into the conversation, but we

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Speaker 1: were just you know, catching up on that these two

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Speaker 1: uh individuals had a feud and media tiff. We're clearly

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Speaker 1: on team Hanson. That's all I'm saying. Forget about it

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Speaker 1: and then you know, just talking about it. Is my

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Speaker 1: desire for us to enter into a proper feud with

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Speaker 1: someone else in the media landscape. Lombardi is a nice choice,

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Speaker 1: but Scott's already got that. Um So, like, who is

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Speaker 1: someone that we can feud with? And I think that

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Speaker 1: not only would that spike ratings, but it would just

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Speaker 1: kind of spice things up a little bit. It's just

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Speaker 1: some real bad blood. You guys are a big fan

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Speaker 1: of this Will Brinson guy, but I'm sick of the

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Speaker 1: way he operated. Um way to clarify that, wes, Hey,

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Speaker 1: there there might be some listeners in like Ireland. I

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Speaker 1: think we have beef with Brenton. I do not need

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Speaker 1: more Twitter in my life. That's my one issue with this.

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Speaker 1: And you get it. You get tangled with Bartol or someone,

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Speaker 1: then it's like your mentions are on fire for the

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Speaker 1: next I don't Yeah, I don't know. I have enough

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Speaker 1: natural feuds that arise. I don't need to manufacture what.

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Speaker 1: I just think that the four of you guys were

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Speaker 1: like saying, like seekingly about Judy Batista before we started

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Speaker 1: pretty gross. I mean I was going through my d M.

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Speaker 1: I knew we had we had had. There was a

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Speaker 1: mini feud with a beat writer up in Cleveland about

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Speaker 1: five years ago, and we had the beat right around

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Speaker 1: the show. But I can't remember so many that we

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Speaker 1: don't even remember the details of that. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: what that one was about. Um, there's been heat here

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Speaker 1: and there. Remember there's Pat McAfee got fired up once

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Speaker 1: punter swag. And there was around the NFL post that

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Speaker 1: Mc if you got upset about that. But this is

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Speaker 1: all small potatoes when I'm looking for something like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you know makes waves, something that puts us in

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Speaker 1: was a dead spin like we mean, it's it's sports

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Speaker 1: radio one oh one. But I feel like we've graduated

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Speaker 1: behind beyond manufacturing. But Greg, you mentioned Mike francessa that

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Speaker 1: you know if you grew up listening to radio. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this I want to be in that situation. At this point,

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Speaker 1: makes opinions about it, like he makes that obvious to everyone.

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Speaker 1: But it would be essentially one media figure first, the

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Speaker 1: four of us and Eric would come in with some

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Speaker 1: heat too. That's that's a lot of the past. You

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Speaker 1: don't want None America or another podcast feud with the broadcast.

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Speaker 1: How would that go for us? Terrible and away. So

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Speaker 1: we'll work on this and Greg does make a good point. Gray.

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Speaker 1: One of Greg's gifts is that he does seem to

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Speaker 1: in the newsroom. Uh, Greg and this gentleman just went

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Speaker 1: off on each other. That was very juice. That's Frank

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Speaker 1: Brent Grimes his wife. Oh yeah, that's another great one.

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Speaker 1: But that I that one. First of all, I would

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Speaker 1: And guy was like, no, why would anyone do that?

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Speaker 1: the shootout at the Okay Corral of statistical football argument.

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Speaker 1: Greg's answer was very it was accurate. He's like, why

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Speaker 1: would anyone want to watch that? Very niche And then

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Speaker 1: and put them both in his office. So many details

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Speaker 1: wrong here. I didn't go in any office. The other

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Today's show, UH is a

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Speaker 1: good one, Oh, Ricky, that's the appropriate. We want epic,

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Speaker 1: an epic feel to this because I love end of decade,

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Speaker 1: end of year retrospectives. And yes, the Christopher Peter Westling

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Speaker 1: Peter Richard Westling, Robert Robert Westling's NFL All Decade team

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Speaker 1: which is a mega banger that will be dropping later

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Speaker 1: maybe get involved with the discussion, maybe even mark big

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Speaker 1: stage for you in a big spot. Sway west On

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Speaker 1: uh to get into that with Chris Bobby Wesley, Chris

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Speaker 1: Bob Um also so we'll go through that. Uh. Also

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Speaker 1: prominent waiver additions for contenders, a suspension and more Brown's drama.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get to you. But before any of that,

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Speaker 1: history made in the Superdome on Monday night, let's dig

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Speaker 1: in twelfth play in the drive first and gold from

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Speaker 1: the five breeze under center I formation flicks the hand off,

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Speaker 1: and seventy three games, over seventy six thousand yards and

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Speaker 1: now five hundred and forty touchdowns. Drew Brees take about

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Speaker 1: Zack Street the Saints Radio Network with the call yes,

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Speaker 1: history made in the Superdome and Drew Brees at the

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Speaker 1: center of it. The legendary quarterback through four touchdown passes,

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Speaker 1: passing Peyton Manning for the all time record. Uh. Manning

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Speaker 1: had been at five thirty nine and UH freeze through four,

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Speaker 1: He's up to five forty two. And while he was there,

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Speaker 1: why not? Drew Brees decides to go twenty nine of

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Speaker 1: thirty against the hapless Cults, setting the all time single

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Speaker 1: for the Saints seven over the Colts. Oh, they almost

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Speaker 1: was all said and done. Tell me your experience watching

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees make history. What you know coming off of

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Speaker 1: what we are setting up for the greatest NFC playoffs

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Speaker 1: A couple of great performances in a row, and you've got,

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Speaker 1: like he said, Michael Thomas is an m v P candidate.

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Speaker 1: Jared Cook is now entrenched as that third guy we

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Speaker 1: You even have Deonte Harris to throw into the mix

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Speaker 1: once in a while. Alvin Kamara is the like why

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Speaker 1: are you running Freeman? He's the one guy he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't He's not getting the ball in space the way

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Speaker 1: can't do it right. Well. I do think they have concerns,

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Speaker 1: And you should give that completion record to to Michael Thomas.

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Speaker 1: just makes me me is I going to work every

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Speaker 1: single day trying to earn my job that day. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I would go in and make sure that

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Speaker 1: my keycard worked and I was in the building and

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Speaker 1: I was okay on most of the reason why I

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Speaker 1: don't leave the building because they're gonna have to throw

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Speaker 1: me out, like I've said before. So alright, so you

434
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Speaker 1: know the drill. Every Black Monday, six to eight NFL

435
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Speaker 1: coaches get fired. Matt Patricia of the Lions seem like

436
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Speaker 1: a guy that would be in the crosshairs coming off

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Speaker 1: a second straight uh offseason for the Lines finishing below

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Speaker 1: five hundred, but the Lions announced Tuesday it will keep

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Speaker 1: both Patricia and g M. Bob quinn in. Lions owner

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Speaker 1: Martha Firestone Ford, I mean, what is that how she

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Speaker 1: walks around using the middle name as part of her

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Speaker 1: announcement type and our nick shook right up on NFL

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Speaker 1: Dot com yes is ther answer? Mark might be might

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Speaker 1: be her husband's name. Spoke with her. What is more

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Speaker 1: American than firestone Ford's part of two Dynasties? I mean,

446
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Speaker 1: what's more Detroit than that? Unbelievable? Anyway, here were her comments,

447
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Speaker 1: we expect to be a playoff contender. That means playing

448
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Speaker 1: meaningful games in December. Well that's not the case with Lines,

449
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Speaker 1: and it's rarely been the case for twenty years now.

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Speaker 1: Uh more perhaps, um so Patricia. I think what happens

451
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Speaker 1: here is they're looking at the season and saying, you

452
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Speaker 1: know what you know. Six weeks in, everybody was getting

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Speaker 1: was high on Patricia, saying people seem to be the

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Speaker 1: players are buying into a system. Uh, we're in the

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Speaker 1: mix and a very difficult division. Uh. And then they

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Speaker 1: started to fall off a little bit. Matt Stafford gets hurt,

457
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Speaker 1: the backup gets hurt, Injuries all over the roster. The

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Speaker 1: first round pick Hackinson is banged up, Marvin Jones, Jones,

459
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Speaker 1: harry On Johnson, like Daniels, they trade Quandre Diggs, and

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Speaker 1: then there's the the Digs trade. And also if Patricia's

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Speaker 1: the defensive guy, it doesn't seem like he has a

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Speaker 1: lot of pieces to work with, so it's like, is

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Speaker 1: this on the coach? Bad organizations love to hit the

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Speaker 1: reset button. That's what I figured was gonna happen here.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of credit the Lines for for sticking

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Speaker 1: this after one more year. But I also understand the

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Speaker 1: flip side of it. If you're a Lions fan, you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't like the vibe of this guy. I don't

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Speaker 1: like that we're two years and non relevant after Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Caldwell gave us back to back nine and seven, which

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Speaker 1: is paradise in Detroit and eleven and five years, two years?

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Mark, where do you come down

473
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Speaker 1: the right decision? The Lions are not and it's it

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Speaker 1: comes down to firestorm, fire Storm forward or whatever her

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Speaker 1: name is. Her name is Martha firestone Ford, firestone Ford.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that they are a They're

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Speaker 1: not typically a knee jerk operation. They are one of

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Speaker 1: the more patient front off the ownership club is where

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Speaker 1: they don't with Jim Caldwell. There was frustration that they

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Speaker 1: were allowing Jim called the right. So that's got five

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Speaker 1: years and only one of them had a winning record.

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Speaker 1: So I think that you know there were. It depends

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Speaker 1: on what the relationship is. But Patricia came out pretty

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Speaker 1: strongly and said, I get along with this owner. We

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Speaker 1: talk all the time. You know there is a related

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Speaker 1: and ship that's strong here. So I I don't have

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Speaker 1: a problem with finding out what year three would be

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Speaker 1: with Matt Patricia based on just as you said, this

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Speaker 1: litany of injuries and maladies and all this other stuff

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Speaker 1: that's happened to them, he has been hamstrung. That said,

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Speaker 1: I don't look at the front office and say I

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Speaker 1: see a clear direction what what what the Lions are

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Speaker 1: and what they want to be at this point. I

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Speaker 1: think last week, when I was apoplectic about this game

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Speaker 1: being lockable between the bucks and lines, you guys made

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Speaker 1: the good point that they've been in every game. The

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Speaker 1: players are trying, even with all of these injuries, playing

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Speaker 1: so many second and third stringers, they're in games till

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Speaker 1: the end, and I think that's probably what saved Matt

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Speaker 1: Patricia's job. I also think it's a reminder to start

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Speaker 1: your coaching and GM on the same page to begin with,

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Speaker 1: because you had that one year where Bob Quinn didn't

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Speaker 1: really want Jim Caldwell and so now you're just two

504
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Speaker 1: years into Patricia and you're thinking of making a change.

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Speaker 1: But if you fired Patricia, you're probably firing Bob Quinn,

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Speaker 1: and you're Martha Ford or whoever is making all of

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Speaker 1: those decisions, the board starting totally over from scratch, and

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Speaker 1: do you wanna give up on that? I I would

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Speaker 1: rather if I was her see what happens with Quinn

510
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Speaker 1: and Patricia, and basically, this is your last chance. Then

511
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Speaker 1: try to start from scratch, because here's the reality. You

512
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Speaker 1: have a long track record of not being able to

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Speaker 1: start over from scratching doing it well, So try this

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Speaker 1: an extensive track record. Alright, We'll see what happens with

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Speaker 1: the lines in the offseason. A lot of work to

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Speaker 1: do moving on, all right, So two two names we

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Speaker 1: talked about. Gennar's Jenkins, cut by the Giants, claimed by

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Speaker 1: the Saints for some depth in their secondary maybe maybe

519
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Speaker 1: a starting role. Another big name, but he's starting. They're

520
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Speaker 1: pretty they're a little banged up to They lost Chardon

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Speaker 1: Chauncey Gardner Johnson last night, who has been really good

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Speaker 1: for them. Another big name Terrell Suggs, who of course

523
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Speaker 1: made his name with the Ravens. Former Defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year. Now thirty seven years old, signed a contract

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Speaker 1: one year deal with the Cardinals um earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: and in thirteen games in Arizona, he had five and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks, thirty seven tackles, four force fumbles, which

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Speaker 1: is not you know, peak Sugs production, but pretty good

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Speaker 1: for a late thirties uh pass rusher. So, uh, they

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Speaker 1: cut ties with Sugs and he does not make it

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Speaker 1: through waivers. There had been talked that he wanted to

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Speaker 1: reunite with the Ravens, but the Saints, Niners, and Seahawks

533
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Speaker 1: all attempted to claim sucks. He goes to the Chiefs, though,

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Speaker 1: who also put in a claim. Uh. So he will

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Speaker 1: report to the Chiefs and he becomes a depth piece,

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Speaker 1: uh in their front seven West your thoughts on Sugs,

537
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Speaker 1: what you saw from him chewing up that game tape

538
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Speaker 1: like the tape dog that you are. He's angeless, he's

539
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Speaker 1: still I mean, he's not to the point where he's

540
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Speaker 1: consistent every week, but there's still games where he's blowing

541
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Speaker 1: up running games and passing games as as a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think he's just the depth piece for

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Speaker 1: the chief They lost Alex Oka for to a torn

544
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Speaker 1: pectoral muscle just a couple of days ago. So he

545
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Speaker 1: may be right there with Frank Clark as their two

546
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Speaker 1: most important defensive ends. Couldn't you see him making a

547
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Speaker 1: huge play in January? And I think part of the

548
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Speaker 1: strategy here was there is a need, but also don't

549
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Speaker 1: allow him to fall further down the waiver chain too,

550
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Speaker 1: to Baltimore, to New England. It's keeping him out of

551
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Speaker 1: that other, that other. Does this mean the Ravens didn't

552
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Speaker 1: put an acclaim for him, Well, I mean they were

553
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Speaker 1: lower on the on the list. The logic I believe

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Speaker 1: is this. They they were thirty second out of thirty

555
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Speaker 1: two teams in the waiver claim. So if he got

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Speaker 1: to them and it was clear that he wanted to

557
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Speaker 1: play for them anyway, why even claim him Because if

558
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Speaker 1: he makes it through waivers, you just signed him to

559
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Speaker 1: a cheaper context or whatever. Yeah, sugs, he's played a lot.

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Speaker 1: I would expect him to start. I would have expected

561
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Speaker 1: him to rotate, maybe with Okafer, But now that he's gone,

562
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Speaker 1: I mean that that is a very thin position. I

563
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Speaker 1: think he steps right in and starts for what's been

564
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: a very good past. He did he ask for his

565
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Speaker 1: release from the Cardinals. It was a little confusing, and

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Speaker 1: they said it was a mutual decision. So something happened beyond,

567
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Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes where it's funny. Why didn't

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Speaker 1: you just sign with the Ravens anyway instead of deciding

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Speaker 1: that you wanted to play the last leg of your

570
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Speaker 1: career in your home. It could have also been like

571
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals went to him and they said, look, we're

572
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Speaker 1: gonna start playing some younger guys now, and he didn't

573
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Speaker 1: want to be part of that. And then so it

574
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Speaker 1: just makes me plus they plus they saved some money

575
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Speaker 1: with Cardinals, are willing to give him seven million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Maybe right. No, the Ravens were shocked by losing to

577
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Speaker 1: all Suggs. It was the one guy they had. They

578
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Speaker 1: were it was like a first day, so they were flammas.

579
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Speaker 1: They were like, I can't believe Terrell Suggs did that.

580
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Speaker 1: He apparently wanted to start his movie production company, which

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Speaker 1: I think he has and all all sorts of Remember

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Speaker 1: how concerned we were about the Ravens offseason when they

583
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Speaker 1: were losing all these pieces. Yeah, I do remember that.

584
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Speaker 1: Uh bad news uh connected to the Seahawks. Josh Gordon

585
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Speaker 1: banned from the NFL once again. The Seahawks and ounced

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Speaker 1: that the wide receiver who they claimed off waivers in November,

587
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Speaker 1: was suspended indefinitely for violating the NFL policies on performance

588
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Speaker 1: enhancing substances and substances of abuse. So that so he

589
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: got pop for two separate things here. Yes, now is

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Speaker 1: the first time he's ever been suspended for p d S.

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Speaker 1: I believe God Josh Gordon. Anyway, this is the fifth

592
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Speaker 1: suspension in eight years. Uh. He was suspended and definitely

593
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Speaker 1: just last December while member of the Pats. He was

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Speaker 1: conditionally reinstated in August, just in time for the start

595
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Speaker 1: of this season. It didn't work out in New England,

596
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Speaker 1: and did with Seattle. It seemed like one of those

597
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Speaker 1: great Seattle moves or a guy kind of cleans up

598
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Speaker 1: his act and becomes a playmaker. But Gordon, obviously, UH

599
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Speaker 1: is dealing with these demons here and he just can't

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Speaker 1: shake it. And you you can't. It's you know, if

601
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Speaker 1: anybody has been connected to people that have had these struggles,

602
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Speaker 1: you you look at you here, like what is wrong

603
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Speaker 1: with this guy? But it's so clear because he knows

604
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Speaker 1: that it's embarrassing to him that this is in the

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Speaker 1: news cycle again. Uh, he can't, he can't help it.

606
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: It's an addiction, and it's it's sad, and I wonder

607
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Speaker 1: if this is it, if the NFL is finally decided

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Speaker 1: going to decide, as talented as you are, you're still

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Speaker 1: in your twenties, you just can't do it. You can't

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Speaker 1: stay clean, and that's gonna be the end of him.

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Speaker 1: I think the relationship he has with Roger Goodell will

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Speaker 1: um help him get back into the league if he

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Speaker 1: wants to take these steps to do so, just because

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen that four or five times, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean we've we've I guess, at what point to

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Speaker 1: teams finally say we can't count I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: the same Josh Gordon of three or four years ago,

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Speaker 1: physically didn't it also written into the deal when when

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Speaker 1: we can't count on you be on week to week.

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Speaker 1: This is I mean, we've had all five of his

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Speaker 1: suspensions on this podcast, and I think almost every time

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624
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Speaker 1: not providing production. At least he didn't this year. I

625
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Speaker 1: feel like he he'll get one more chance if he

626
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Speaker 1: does all the steps. But you're right, maybe he's gone

627
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Speaker 1: all of next year. I mean, that's it's it's sad

628
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Speaker 1: to see uh moving on, Ah Mark, let's dig into it.

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Speaker 1: straight up. I don't know anything about it. Sounds like

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00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: an evil cult. This has happened in in many different places,

641
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: or that it's popped up repeatedly when I dealt with

642
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: United Kingdom, Yes, Brits and uh spelling my name when

643
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: they're repeating it back Z. It's one of the many

644
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: reasons you hate leaving this country. I love I love

645
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: going to London. I'll tell you that we don't need

646
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: to do all this flying all over the world though

647
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: already I'm already on record on that. It's like, oh,

648
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: let's do it around the NFL podcast World Tour. I'm in. Yeah,

649
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: put me on the old screen. You know you would,

650
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: you would refuse to go just I'll be right. No

651
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: not for me, No no no no, no, not for me.

652
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: You put me. You put me live via satellite like

653
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: that gentleman on the trend. Some people think that accummulating

654
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: knew experiences in different cultures is a valuable thing and

655
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: you can help you grow. Some people do not. Everyone

656
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: value the idea of consistency and spending time with family.

657
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't need to be globe trotting at this time

658
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: of my life. I need to be a father and

659
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: a provider. You could take them with you. Now we're

660
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: just getting ridiculous. Where's the education structure? That's it that

661
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: my kids are trying to learn how to read west?

662
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean they're trying to learn how to multiple like

663
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Jack's learning how to multiply by five right now. I

664
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: don't want to how it happened to me, happened to him?

665
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: I think bangers and mash and driving on the left

666
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: with English language taxis is about as as crazy. How

667
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: about way up the auntie teach them how to count

668
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: to five in Mandarin. And while we're here, I mean,

669
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: you guys, get on me. I don't see a bunch

670
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: of world travelers in the room with me right now.

671
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: Greg goes to Japan, but that's because his wife's families

672
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: from there. Mark, you grew up in England. We know.

673
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't see you globe and went to Mexico last year.

674
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Finances have you know? Multiple children options dry up in

675
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: terms of world traveling as you win. Well, I was

676
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: just told that children should not be seen as an obstacle.

677
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: You just I was joking, because the pleasures of the

678
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: mind and body and spirit go get your own across

679
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: the Amazon or whatever. Well that is Greg's that. Greg

680
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: often is left back at home when his wife takes

681
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the kids to Japan, So I don't need to go

682
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: to the Amazon. I just on a mountain of Amazon

683
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: boxes coming to my house every day. My wife getting

684
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: all the stuff said to the house. I collect them

685
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: from the front door so the porch pirates don't get them.

686
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: That's my life. Really, you're you're it's the norm, like

687
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: no one really or most people don't have the means

688
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: or don't actually get it done. They just think in

689
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: their head, I would love to travel, that would be

690
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: so great for my experience and just wouldn't that be nice?

691
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: But you don't actually do it. You're just different because

692
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even want to. Regardless, I would like to

693
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: go on a trip at some time. My wife and

694
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I have talked about going to Ireland for our ten

695
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: year anniversary. Um, but this idea that, oh god, go

696
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: see the world before I die. I see plenty of things.

697
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: I think you're It boils down to you're a real

698
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: American basically, um, yeah, you know what, you got it.

699
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: We finally hit on what this really is. It's a

700
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: great country, and it's not a perfect country. I don't

701
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: want to know what I don't know. I like it

702
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: not knowing. That was great, all right. We turned that

703
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: whole thing into Dan being a better America. And without

704
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: the three of us, the Browns are a mess. And uh,

705
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: let's talk about it real quick. Here. We'll start with

706
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: and this was news to me. I heard this morning

707
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: more Browns players and this was from Mike Silver, who

708
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: reported for two sources. At the week fifteen loss in Arizona, UH,

709
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: multiple Browns players yelled towards the Arizona sideline to quote,

710
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: come get me, including wide receiver Jarvis Landry. And one

711
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: takeaway here they're yelling to the Cardinals sidelines. Is it

712
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: that bad they're trying to get to Arizona? UH. And

713
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry has been, as Mark you pointed out recently

714
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: on this podcast, has been one of the bright spots

715
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: of this team. But it does remind us of all

716
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: these things entering the season. Yes, all this talent, but

717
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of combustible things here. Baker loves to

718
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: talk the coaches and experience. UH. Landry is a guy

719
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: that runs his mouth back him has always been a

720
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: guy that that talks and gets in the media. And

721
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: you can put all these guys together, what happens if

722
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: they don't win? Well, this is what happens. Let's hear

723
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: from UH Freddie Kitchens, who was being asked about yes,

724
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: these comments and also Landry having words with him on

725
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: the sideline during the loss of the Cardinals. I wouldn't

726
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: change Jarvis for anything. Jarvis is UH. Jarvis plays the

727
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: game with passion, which I love he's tough, he's physical. Um,

728
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: he wants to win. And when you want to win

729
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: as badly as Jarvis does, sometimes your emotion gets the

730
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: best of you. Um. But I don't have a problem

731
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: with Jarvis. He's one of the you know, he's one

732
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: of my favorites. The way he plays the game, him

733
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: as a person, everything. And then when you need a

734
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: you need a leader to stop up. Here's Kareem Hunt,

735
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: who's been on the Browns for four or five weeks. Uh,

736
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: he's telling the media some guys aren't playing hard against

737
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. There's some players that anybody then leave it

738
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: saying out there through the whole play you know, through

739
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: the whole whistle. I mean, we all got to do

740
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: that if we want to be successful. Mark, is this

741
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: this situation culture wise where they have to make a change. Well,

742
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: I think there's no greater indictment of a coach and

743
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: a coaching staff than when it's overtly visible to the

744
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: eye and to teammates. And they're starting to talk about

745
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: players not putting in the effort no matter what the

746
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: record is or what the playoff situation is. And you know,

747
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: I thought the Browns players were playing hard up to

748
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and Kitchens seemed to still

749
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: be getting in response from these guys, but it's bubbling

750
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: into UH, you know, very Browns and but new territories

751
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: of ugliness because of the rather star studded nature of

752
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: the roster and the combustible UH status. At this point,

753
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: you're wondering who will be back at that you could

754
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: point to almost anyone outside of Baker Mayfil. I have

755
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: no idea, Myles Garrett, I have no idea if any

756
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: of them will be back next season, just because it

757
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: seems to me that the foundation once again is totally

758
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: fallen out, and you know I and I feel like

759
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: from the summer I was trying to ring this warning

760
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: bell of I'm not convinced they're just gonna sort sore

761
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, just because you know, fans and lots

762
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: of the media saw that, and there was reasons to

763
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: be optimistic. But it reminds me of kind of like

764
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: for Browns fans, it's just how can we hurt you

765
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: in a different way this time? And as a kid,

766
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I would like in the middle of UH, you know,

767
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: have these dreams of like Christmas morning and opening up

768
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: all these presents and then suddenly, like your mom would

769
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: shake you, and it would be like March eight and

770
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: it'd be raining out and Christmas is months away, and

771
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: it's not any time around the bend. That's how this season,

772
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, never really arrived. It reminds me of there's

773
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: a I think he's a mogul or he's a filthy

774
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: rich guy living out here in l A. And it

775
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: was a big news story recently. I think it was

776
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: in Malibu. He built this mega mansion that was worth

777
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: like fifty million dollars whatever the number was, and he

778
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: built it without getting the proper code ing, and they

779
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: finished most of the project and then a court ruling

780
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: came by and judge said, no, this is not safe,

781
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. You have people living below you, uh,

782
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: tear it down. And he had to tear down a

783
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: mansion that he had just built. It's kind of what

784
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: the Browns are. They built like this mansion, but it

785
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: was on bad footing and soggy ground, and now they

786
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: might be staring at a tear down here, and who

787
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: is who do you trust to handle? What's a very

788
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: delicate situation right now? We all year I've been I've

789
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: been hoping for the best for Freddy Kitchens. I think

790
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: he's a likable guy. But that mansion you talked about,

791
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: that soggy ground. You keep waiting for him to dry

792
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: it out and build a solid foundation, and every week

793
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: it gets soggear and salgear and parts of the house

794
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: starts slipping away, and it's just slipping all away from

795
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: him he has no control over. I think you save

796
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot by just firing Freddie Kitchens and making a

797
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: good head coaching higher. I think that's the easy solution,

798
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: which is usually the one that the Browns take because

799
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: they don't want to give up on this nucleus. John Dorsey,

800
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: these are all his players and and I know Freddie

801
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: Kitchens was his coach too, and there was some talk

802
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: that he liked the idea of that's a coach where

803
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: you know he's he can not control, but he's certainly

804
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: the alpha John Dorsey in terms of their relationship. It

805
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't find a better coach that can

806
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: sell players who calmed down once you get to February, March,

807
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: April and all this uh subsides. I think that's to me,

808
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: that's like the easiest way of like, let's keep the team,

809
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: change the coach, and see what happened. The only flip

810
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: side if they're not gonna fire Dorsey. No, but from

811
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns angle, they have tried over and over

812
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: to fire and then sell you on the next guy,

813
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: and it's yea. The person that would be different would

814
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: be someone like Ron Rivera who comes in with a

815
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: decade plus of real experience. I'm not saying that's the

816
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: person like that. It's like, it's like, but you need

817
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: somebody with a track record that the commands respect. That

818
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: these guys in this vaultile locker room will say, we're

819
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: not gonna be running our mouths the media around this

820
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: guy like you just need for all their you know,

821
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: wins or losses. They were low drama under Rivera, and

822
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: that's desperately needed for some of these bad teams. And

823
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: as much as the Browns have tried everything as far

824
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: as hey, we're gonna we're gonna fire this guy and

825
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: turned to a new coach, they've also stuck with some

826
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: guys longer and show patients like Hugh Jackson, when it

827
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: maybe he should have been gone a year before then

828
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: you could be we've seen how quickly you can flip.

829
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: Like I mean in Arizona, their offense went from one

830
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: of the worst in NFL history to a pretty compelling

831
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: offense with with the number one draft pick, well with

832
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: all the with you know, with the new coach. The

833
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: name to watch maybe is McCarthy. He's a guy a

834
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: super Bowl pedigree. He's the guy that was around for

835
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: a long time that I think this year away has

836
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: done well. He's his agents doing a nice job. He's

837
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: giving him these little media interviews, too little, too obvious.

838
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: It's obvious, but it's also who else would fit this

839
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: Bill Rivera would McCarthy would I don't think this is

840
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: a situation where you go with like an unknown coach

841
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: and hope it works again. I think I find with

842
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: with McCarthy is that he has ties obviously two people

843
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: in Cleveland's front office, and they didn't pursue him last

844
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: off They like John Dorsey's worked with him, but it

845
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: was so different last year. It was it was but

846
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: John Dorsey's worked with him directly and didn't even want

847
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: to talk to him when it was very clear that

848
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy wanted to talk to the Browns, but it's

849
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: fair to say that. I just wonder what his opinion

850
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: of McCarthy. The Browns were a New Year's Day last

851
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: year when Kitchens had the team humming on offense and

852
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Freddie and uh Baker loved him. Maybe they just weren't

853
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: even in that mindset. And now they have to open

854
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: their mind. A huge X factor if you if you

855
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: get Mike McCarthy, you know who's coming with him, Frank Signetti.

856
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: He's been working with McCarthy hand and during this whole Yes,

857
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: he is clean up the streets and maybe the thing

858
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: you need. He's in the bunker. He's doing security and

859
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: the coaching. If you run a dragnettic candidates, he's your guy. Well,

860
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Let's get epic, Ricky.

861
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: You know the great thing about Christopher Bobby Westling is

862
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: he's a tape jockey. It's a tape monkey. He's a

863
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: tape dog. And when he puts together a list, this

864
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: is not a slap affair. This is the real stuff.

865
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: Chris Westling's all decade team. You know, I love it. Greg.

866
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: You know the pitchfork vulture, a v club pump. That

867
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: end of decade retrospective into my veins. I'm with you,

868
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: and now we have our own with Chris Westling leading

869
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: the way, picking the greatest players from this decade. As

870
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: we say goodbye to the tens and hello to the

871
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: Roaring twenties, they're gonna push that ankle, hark, there's only

872
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: one Roaring Twins. You can't redo the Roaring Town Twins

873
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: home over the new turn. Well, we don't need another

874
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: depression either. Well, I would say, what's great about this

875
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: exercise is you guys are gonna help me from from

876
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: having a slap affair here. Okay, good. You're gonna make

877
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 1: sure that everything is vetted, that this runs through you guys,

878
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: that we kind of agree on who some of the

879
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: better players are. And uh let's get a started. Let's

880
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: do it. So you sent us the spreadsheet. This is

881
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: a work in progress. It's going to go up on

882
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: NFL dot com later this week. Ali Bumpori, I'm sure

883
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: you guys have been going back and forth chopping it

884
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: up the best way to attack this. Uh, so we

885
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: will be part of that process. Um, why don't we

886
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: start right at the top, because there's been obviously this

887
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: has been a golden age right west of of quarterbacks.

888
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: So when you were coming, do you how does it work?

889
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: First of all, is it a first team second team

890
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: type thing or just I'm only gonna do one team.

891
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: It feels like a lot more writing to do the

892
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: first team enough, so it's one quarterback, one quarterback, no backup.

893
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: What if the in this hypothetical realm, that quarterback gets

894
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: motto or something. Maybe we'll do like a box off

895
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: to the side, or give us a second written second team,

896
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: but I don't write anything about it, or maybe like

897
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Mark writes that, well that sounds like an extra signing,

898
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: right yeah, wait, first team, right up? Second team? You

899
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: just get the name, right yeah? So all right, let's go,

900
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: who are your like kind of the nominees that the

901
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: names that were in your mind, your mind when you

902
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: were deciding who will be chosen as the starting quarterback

903
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: of this team. Well, right off the bat, you go

904
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady for his playoff success, and then I

905
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: think with Brady too. I mean winning so many straight

906
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: a f C titles or being in that conference title

907
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: game every year that that weighs a lot for me.

908
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Where is Aaron Aaron Rodgers I believe played at the

909
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: highest level, reached the highest level of quarterbacking during the decade.

910
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: So and then you have Drew Brees with probably the

911
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: best stats of the decade. But I'm not a stats guy,

912
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: so I'm and Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning way behind.

913
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: So Brady Edges, Rogers, Rogers still your wrestling. I'm wrestling.

914
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: To me, this would be maybe the simplest position, and

915
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: clearly I have a bias, but the fact that Aaron

916
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was out playing Aaron Rodgers for the

917
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: second half of this decade two thousand, sixteen seventeen eighteen,

918
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe the best three year stretch of Tom

919
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Brady's career was ages thirty nine to forty one. I

920
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: would say over that stretch he was the best quarterback

921
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: in the league on balance, and I don't think it

922
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: was that close. And I think that was some of

923
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: the worst years of Aaron Rodgers career, where the first

924
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: half of the decade, it absolutely does. But then you

925
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: look at what the Patriots were doing in the first

926
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: not just that they were in the championship game every

927
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: single season, but they had the top offense in the

928
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: league pretty much starting with Gronk in two thousand ten

929
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: through two thousand nineteen, they have been a right It's

930
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: at the top one to three offense every single season,

931
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: and now you know the Saints can compete with them

932
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: as maybe the best offense of the decade, the best

933
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: passing attack of the decade. But when you combine kind

934
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: of the individual and the team, I don't think any

935
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: ability to be a factor at all. When you look

936
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers, who has been lost to no not

937
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: not as much as the the extended slumps and the

938
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: what's wrong the multiple times we've had to ask what's

939
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: wrong with the Packers offense? And like Brady made the

940
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Pro Bow every single season. For me, it's Brady, and

941
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: I think Rogers two thousand eleven season is the best

942
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: quarterback season of the decade. I think his peaks were higher.

943
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I think you could argue he played higher than anyone

944
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: ever in that mid uh tier mid area of his career,

945
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: and he wasn't really injury prone. He had a two

946
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen injury that cost him seven games, and

947
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: then two thousand seventeen he missed half the season I

948
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: think with the clavical but he's played basically every game.

949
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Uh throughout his career with the exception of those. Just

950
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: try to point to a Patriots team that would go

951
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: fifteen and one and then get knocked out of the

952
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: playoffs and round one shockingly, and it's like, there are

953
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: too many. It's not just on Aaron Rodgers. There's a

954
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: lot of other things happening there. But there are too

955
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: many stories like that with Aaron Rogers Packers. I don't

956
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: see when you go down that road, it's like swap

957
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: McCarthy for Belichick and see right there you go. Maybe maybe,

958
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: but I to me point is Tom Brady over and

959
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: over and over he had the individual though. Here's the thing.

960
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he won as many m v ps this

961
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: decade as as Rogers did, right or no way, he

962
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: just had the one. I think he won two. I

963
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: think Brady didn't. He win two thousand, right, So he

964
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: had the individual stuff. No quarterback Looking at this Hera

965
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: had more than two First team All Pro So it

966
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: was spread out. You know, Brady had to Peyton, Manning

967
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: had to Rogers had to. Breeze had none. And that's

968
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: to me another knock gun Breeze, unfortunately, is he's very

969
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: often the second and third um. But doesn't have those seasons,

970
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: either in the super Bowl or where he's number one.

971
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: My vote is Brady, begrudgingly because Rogers the past three seasons,

972
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty much where I fault hasn't been where I

973
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: think it needs to be. To close out that type

974
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: of debate, I would have said, yeah, three years ago,

975
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: it would have been Rogers. I think Brady's our guy.

976
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the running back position.

977
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: M M, what do we got? So? Who who listening

978
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: to this music? Are you jealous? Collins Worth and Belichick?

979
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Please burning with jealousy? Are they who? If you're not

980
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna find Dutch Clark on this team, Billy Brinson, I

981
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: don't back? Is like a no brainer. And I haven't

982
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: gotten to the stage where I've compared all the statistical

983
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: breakdowns or anything like that. To me, I was just

984
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: going by in my mind, it's Adrian Peterson, but he

985
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: gets docked a little bit because a few of his

986
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: best seasons where before two thousand ten started. But I

987
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: have Adrian Peterson as a running back in Marshawn Lynch

988
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: is the flex? Oh wait? What is flex in real world?

989
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: So I'm doing this like the All Pro Team where

990
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: flex is like your best either running back wide. I

991
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: don't even know. Yes, there's a flex on the All

992
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: Pro team. Now instead of having a third receiver or

993
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: a second running back, you can have a flex. Is

994
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: that also? I just want to make sure we're within regulations.

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: When the NFL releases their All Decade teams, do they

996
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: have a similar setup. I have no idea, but if

997
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: they go with a fullback, I don't really care what

998
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: they do to leach. But yeah, you play seventeen snaps

999
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: a game for ten years a millionaire because of this. Well,

1000
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the one guy when I see him

1001
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: on your list and you have him on I think

1002
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: the second team now, which is a tough one, but

1003
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: it's worth talking about the guy with the most Pro

1004
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Bowls by far tied uh tied for the most First

1005
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: Team All Pros, and the most yards by more than

1006
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: twenty hundred yards. I know you're gonna say Shade is

1007
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: a man by the name of Lashawan McCoy. I just

1008
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: don't think. I think people don't think of him that

1009
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: way and I and I wouldn't put him because I

1010
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: don't think his peaks and his consistency is maybe quite there.

1011
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: But it is interesting if you just kind of look

1012
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: in his career. That's partly why you know, timed up perfectly.

1013
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, in the decade years are somewhat arbitrary, and

1014
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: that was his that was his career. But he's got

1015
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: the best numbers of the decade, which is kind of

1016
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. He does. He's also, to my mind,

1017
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: an unlikable guy. So that factors. You factor personality. I do.

1018
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: I factor in whether I like. I factor everything I

1019
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: know about this person. But you don't really know him

1020
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: though he is. I know enough about him to know

1021
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't like him. I know he's bad at organizing parties.

1022
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: I know he maybe there are instances and reported interest

1023
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: instance of treating people poorly. Yes, I don't. But it's

1024
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: like O J on your all time team in the seventies,

1025
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: and if he is, you gotta put Lashawn in the

1026
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: You can't. I mean, if you're voting in eight, you're

1027
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: voting for O. J. Simpson. You don't know about what's

1028
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna happen in well answered, all right, Okay, okay, Well

1029
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: that's one I do A whole question. When you look

1030
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: at all these running backs and there you have you've

1031
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: have you've got ten or eleven here Frank or doesn't

1032
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: make the collection of them at all. Well, honestly, like

1033
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: I said, I haven't gotten that far into the research.

1034
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I went and looked at all the All Pro guys

1035
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: and he never was an All Pro. So that's probably

1036
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: why he's not on. Isn't it a weird you have

1037
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: David Johnson here? Um? And you know, it just reminded

1038
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: me and I was working on the power rankings and

1039
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: it was and we saw how Kenny and Drake had

1040
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and and it comes after David Johnson speaks

1041
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: out against his role. It's crazy that he is um

1042
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: an outsider on the Arizona Cardinals and he's like twenty

1043
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: eight years old. Um, I think David Johnson is not

1044
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: going to come close to right. I mean, if if

1045
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: you're putting David Johnson on your long list, then Gore

1046
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: is not. Obviously, I just saw him at it Goagle

1047
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: spreadsheet and he's live adding it points out that Frank

1048
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: Gore didn't make an All Pro team. He would be second,

1049
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: by the way in that yards from scrimmage. He you know,

1050
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: him and McCoy are one and two in terms of

1051
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: Frank started the most games in McCoy would be second

1052
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: the guy who's third on the list in yards. So

1053
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: I think it's worth mentioning which is Matt Forte, Which

1054
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: is I know he didn't you know, finish out the decade.

1055
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: That's strong. Uh, And i've he wasn't playing the last

1056
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: couple of years, But Adrian Peterson's production last couple of

1057
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: years isn't really worthy of It's not the reason why

1058
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: you're putting them on this list. And four Day was

1059
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: right there in terms of just I mean just flat

1060
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: out if you're just choosing one guy, he would He's

1061
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: just in the mix, That's what I'm He's That two

1062
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: thousand and eight draft class was phenomenal running back. He

1063
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: had Jamal Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Matt Forte. I

1064
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: think that was Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Marshawn Well. That said,

1065
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: if West publishes us on NFL dot com and one

1066
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: of the two running backs named as Matt Forte, people

1067
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: are going to freak out. So it's like, really, I

1068
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think that's one of the two

1069
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: backs the entire deck. I think you could make a

1070
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: case that Forte would be right there. To me, it

1071
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: would be Peterson, but Forte would be there with met

1072
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: Forte on the All Decade team. I don't think I

1073
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: would read your writing anymore. And if you and if

1074
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: you told me to number two, then that's what I

1075
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: mean as who's your okay? Who I mean? Postseason success

1076
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: does count for a lot. If you would have told

1077
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 1: me two years ago, uh that levy On Bell would

1078
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: not be on this list and he would not make

1079
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: the cut and he didn't have any major knee injury

1080
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: or anything like that, I would have been like, how

1081
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: is that possible? Because his production and what he was

1082
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: doing for that Steelers team. But these have been rough

1083
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: two years. He sat out a year and then had

1084
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: has had an awful year with the Jets. Yeah, next

1085
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: time you think about trying to hold out for more money,

1086
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: think about your All Decades spot. Buddy, bang, you got

1087
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: banged right. Let's move to wide receivers. Well, this is

1088
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: another one where there's an unlikable guy, so I'll have

1089
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: to get over that. I see that. So the first

1090
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: two guys jumped in my mind. We're Holy Jones. Julio

1091
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: Jones number one. I think he's a given Antonio Brown

1092
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: number two, and then des Bryant was actually the third

1093
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: guy I thought of real des Bryant. I mean hears

1094
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: line up until the last couple. Lvin Johnson is probably

1095
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: a victim of that. His career kind of crossed over

1096
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: the two decades, right, Yes, and for a tiring early right,

1097
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: but he's he's still amazingly sick. I'm you know, according

1098
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Reference, in the decade in yards despite

1099
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: not playing the second half of the decade, which I'm

1100
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to get you to forward me this link

1101
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: of all decades. Well, I'm just searching. I'm showing. I'll

1102
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: show you how to search, you know, and just search

1103
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: by games started and Antonio Brown. To me, it would

1104
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: be an easy pick. I think he's one of the

1105
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: greatest wide receivers in NFL. Also quit on two different teams,

1106
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 1: which is a factor for me. Yes, but I can't

1107
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: argue with the two you picked I would have. I

1108
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: don't know how you can really push someone else in there.

1109
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: What about a Green I could? I could have no

1110
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: problem putting him over Antonio Fitzgerald. Here's the thing, though,

1111
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I guess I would count all of Brown. I would

1112
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: count the first seven or eight years where you weren't

1113
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: having money problems with Antonio Brown and not knock him

1114
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: at all for those he's the best. What about DeAndre Hopkins,

1115
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: He's been in the league since two thousand thirteen. He's

1116
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now.

1117
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: He's been doing it for years. I think he should

1118
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: be in the conversation. I don't know if you put

1119
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: him ahead of either of those guys. Uh uh, but

1120
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: the fact that Antonio Brown's at a football age thirty,

1121
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: would you have DeAndre Hopkins over say A. J. Green?

1122
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't. I would rather have him. That's a

1123
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: few more years. I think that's a good that's a

1124
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: good conversation. I think if you went with Hopkins over Green,

1125
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't think people could kill you for that. I

1126
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: don't say Hopkins case where he's played with a tangled

1127
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: mess of quarterbacks before the current one and kJ for

1128
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: a tangled mess of an organization. Well, it's not just over.

1129
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I think they're very close. I think they probably would

1130
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: be my third and uh, you could go either way.

1131
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: How do you feel about debts? I wouldn't have debts

1132
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: fell off so hard. That's the only thing with Dez

1133
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: and I love dees Uh that he was such a great, exciting,

1134
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: dynamic guy from twenty two to twenty eight or so,

1135
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, the injuries kind of caught up

1136
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: with him, and then he was out of the league

1137
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: by what age thirty one, And I don't think he

1138
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: was quite as complete like if you were just starting.

1139
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: But touchdowns are really important, and who was better at

1140
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: touchdowns than des b He was a badass in the

1141
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: red zone. It was amazingly a top five receiver this

1142
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: decade in yards. Is Damrius Thomas, Well, he's not that,

1143
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: not that we would, you know, put him on this team,

1144
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: but just impressive tight end. Feels obviously the maybe the

1145
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: biggest no brainer on the list. I believe it is

1146
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: the the biggest no brainer on the list. Rob Gronkowski

1147
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Graham is a ideal number two guy, I think,

1148
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: even though he's fallen on hard times in his early thirties,

1149
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: but when he was Jimmy Graham, like going back to

1150
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: Drew Brees for a second, he has better numbers than

1151
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: anyone in the history of the league. How many true

1152
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: star pass catchers did he play with in his career?

1153
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas has one right now. And Jimmy Graham and

1154
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: his prime guy Colston was a great receiver. Um. That

1155
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: is one of the things that I attribute as an

1156
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: additional trade to Breeze that he wasn't lined with stock

1157
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Town as much, but Graham certainly was. I think, well, yeah,

1158
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: and it helps he started in two thousand and ten.

1159
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Travis Scalsey is pretty close for me to sniff in

1160
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, but as the second guy, yeah, we're they're

1161
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: all playing for second place. Where do you want to go, Greg?

1162
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go to next? In this

1163
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: do we want to get into line play? Let's get

1164
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: into Yeah, we don't have all the time in the world.

1165
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to pass rushers defensive. And I say one

1166
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: quick thing about the line. Looking at the people that

1167
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: you named, it is insane when you look at how

1168
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: bad the Browns have been that they have Joe Thomas,

1169
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, and Jeoel Batonio on this list

1170
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: and at one point three of them played together consistently,

1171
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: not all not all the first teams. No, but I

1172
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: mean we're looking there's there's fifteen sixteen linemen here tops

1173
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: and four of them from the same team at one point. Ye,

1174
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: utter absurdity, utter ritchie incognito on your spreadsheet. I mean,

1175
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, going off your clause of being a good person.

1176
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: That's a little messy. Yeah, I'm I'm happy for him

1177
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: where he's at in his life now, what he's come

1178
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: back from a lot of it. Most of it you

1179
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: would say, what he's done to himself, but yeah, he would.

1180
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: He has no possibility of making the final Dan's all

1181
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: about this good person. For completest, you have Joe Thomas,

1182
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: Zack Martin Marshall, onto Mark's pouncy and a right tackle

1183
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: to be named later pencil then maybe through tyrants I

1184
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: think that'll probably be. It'll probably be Tyrann Smith and

1185
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Joe Toms, Jason Peters. It'd be tough to leave him off,

1186
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. Here here's the other no brainer that

1187
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: to me rivals gront because j. J. Watt is one

1188
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: of your edge rushers. Absolutely on the other side, yes,

1189
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: I And it's funny because you think edge pass rushing.

1190
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: There would be a lot of other choices, but to me,

1191
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: those are your von Miller. I don't know if he's underrated,

1192
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: but he did. To me, he's a no doubter on

1193
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: this team, as good as Justin Houston's underread it, as

1194
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: good as Justin Houston and Wake and Cameron Jordan's you have,

1195
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: you have, Pierre Paul and Julius Peppers. I mean to me,

1196
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: it's Miller and Watt pretty clear Clowney doing on this list.

1197
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: He's just hanging on to the periphery looking in the window.

1198
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what he does. If if if our fans could

1199
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: see it, you know, it's like, uh listens like as yeah,

1200
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: like twelve Clowney, you sneak in there. He's limping in

1201
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: with a bad man. As I said, couple icebacks on him.

1202
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: This list came purely from looking at first and second

1203
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: team all pros and then writing their names down on

1204
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: the spece is on this shared document. Why do and

1205
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: I not have permission to type in this document while

1206
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: we're doing this, I will give you permission. Yeah, I

1207
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: already had the mission scientists, the lab stuff. It's it's

1208
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: a lab scenario, you all said Cameron Wake and Justin

1209
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: Houston in the mix. Uh, Terrell Suggs. On the subject

1210
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: of Suggs, you know, he was one of the great

1211
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: beasts early in this decade, and as we talked about,

1212
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: he's still serviceable even at age thirty seven. Yeah, that

1213
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: might be a little sugs, But then then you're back

1214
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: to the good guy bad guy. I don't think anyone

1215
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: on his team has ever had a problem with some people,

1216
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: are you allowed to? Yeah? I think some people in

1217
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: his private life have have had significant were all. Some

1218
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: people have gotten away with a lot. But we're also

1219
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: getting into, like my definition of bad persons, other people's definitions.

1220
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: We don't need to do. Well. I guess it's just subjective, right,

1221
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: I have a very strict code. Okay, thank you. Somehow

1222
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: sucks slips by that coat. Well, well, I didn't say that.

1223
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: I will call up an article and send it to you.

1224
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: You tell me if he should. Well, he's buried on

1225
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth team here, so you're just in

1226
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: your all right, that's my fault. I want to stay

1227
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: on topic here. Let's move to the interior and another

1228
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: one another no brander, Aaron Donald. Yeah. I know he

1229
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't come into the league until what two thousand and

1230
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: fourteen or so, but he has dominated to such a

1231
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: level that I don't think you can have a list

1232
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: without him. He could retire after this season and he

1233
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: would make the Hall of Fame. I don't even think

1234
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: there's a question. Five years ago and Dominican Sue, you

1235
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: would think would be a slam dunk to be on

1236
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: the top of this list. But you know, he's ever

1237
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: since he went time Miami, it seems like he never

1238
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: really caught. He was never maybe if you look at

1239
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: the analytics of it all, he was still the same guy.

1240
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: But that seems to take a bite out of his

1241
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, stock in someone, I'm like, yeah, your

1242
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: second interior uh line, and seems like it's totally wide

1243
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: open West. You know it's not, it's not. Geno Atkins

1244
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: has it pretty firmly his year's line up. He entered

1245
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, it is now two thousand nineteen.

1246
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: He has spent his entire career in the decade. And

1247
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: for me, there were years where Aaron Donnald wasn't in

1248
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: the league yet or wasn't dominant yet, and the best

1249
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: defensive tackle was Gino Atkins, not in Dominan suit. That's fair,

1250
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: but the all of Sue's career also lines up, and

1251
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: he's been either first or second team, whether it's some

1252
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: of the reputation, right, but almost you know, throughout the decade,

1253
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, oh you know two thousands, ten, eleven, twelve

1254
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: through fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, not just Pro Bowls like Pro

1255
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: Football focus second teams like he I could listen to

1256
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: Gino and that maybe it would go for the Bengals.

1257
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: Everyone would consider him a no brainer for this um

1258
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: moving to linebacker. Uh, that would have one two punch

1259
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: here one to three punch. You got Luke Keikley, Bobby Wagner, Lavante,

1260
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: David u the a name it jumps out. You have

1261
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: second um um the middle linebacker Patrick Willis, who, yeah,

1262
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: who is one of the great you know what ifs

1263
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL and absolute monsters. First five years, I

1264
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: think he had four All Pro picks, something insane of

1265
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: that level, and then suffers one of the grossest knee

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Speaker 1: injuries ever. I'm thinking of Bowman's Willis in early retirement

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01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: the foot injuries. Yes, and he also had three seasons

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: where he was the best middle linebacker in football before

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: the decades started, so that he gets a little banged

1270
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: by that. And Bowman is on the list as well here.

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, his career was cut short, but it was

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01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: an amazing start to his career. Could you make a

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01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: list that cuts goes from like two thousand and five

1274
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: to two thousand and fifteen, is like a second project

1275
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: that would be fun some of these so Keick, I

1276
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: mean Wagner. It is interesting to think of Wagner as

1277
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: an all decades player, but he absolutely is. It is VONDI.

1278
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: David might be among the most surprising names. I think

1279
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: to most people that would be at least for now

1280
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: in your first team. But you are you surprised? But no,

1281
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the other options and trying to

1282
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: think who you would put in place of him, and

1283
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: uh any Snake Lee fans out there. Look how many

1284
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: people dominate from the NFC West. Thomas Davis would certainly

1285
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: be an option. I'm sure you can make a case.

1286
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: You can make a case for Thomas Davis. You could

1287
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: make a case for Dante Hie Towers certainly, Um, But

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: I think you might be right on day I think

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: David I would agree with you. Cornerbacks you have Richard

1290
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: Sherman and Patrick Peterson. Now, I just want to say

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01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: one thing, less Um that I am okay with you

1292
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: not putting Darrell Reevas on this as long as he's

1293
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: in your previous iteration of this list, the odds version

1294
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: of your all decade team, he get that number one spot.

1295
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: He's banged by being a cusp player because he comes

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: into the league in two thousand seven and wasn't two

1297
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: thousand nine the great like all he was. His all

1298
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: time stretch was oh eight, oh nine, oh ten, and

1299
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: he was still ten. He was still elite and eleven,

1300
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt in twelve. So yes, he

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01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: straddles it. But I feel like this whole industry needs

1302
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: to be torn down if he doesn't get on one

1303
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: of these lists, because no one was better in that stretch.

1304
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: The choir and Charles Woodson should never have won that

1305
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: Defensive Player the Year. The bigger issue, I would imagine

1306
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: that bothers him more than not making this list. No West,

1307
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: it's for a good list. It just Revis may not

1308
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: be as concerned about that. You could still if you

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: wanted to make the case that, Okay, he doesn't have

1310
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: as many seasons, but there he has three first team

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: All pros in this decade, so that ties him actually

1312
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Speaker 1: with Peterson and Sherman. No other person has won. Let's

1313
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about this. So you're not replacing Sherman or

1314
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: Peterson probably, but what if you put him at the

1315
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: defensive back spot instead of Chris Harris. Oh yeah, oh

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: I would do that. Well, I would because I'm a

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: That's why, like when I saw Levante David, I was like,

1318
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: isn't there someone with like a better peak because I'm

1319
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm David's underrated. I'm all about someone like reeve Us

1320
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that he won a Super

1321
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: Bowl and was the first team All Pro that year

1322
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, people kind of think, oh that was

1323
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: late career, Reeves. He had a very good top you know,

1324
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: at least top five cornerback. He got the first team

1325
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: All probably won a title. Keep to leive's got a

1326
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: pretty strong case. I would. I would counter back West

1327
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: because I know that dB spot. It seems like a consolation.

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: Let's bump Patrick Peterson down to dB and get revis

1329
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: that second secon first team All Pro his entire career.

1330
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: Just about I'm just saying, like, I feel like, whoever

1331
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: gets that dB slot, well, the guy who only played

1332
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: like a few years in the third place. It's very

1333
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: clearly third place. But right. That's where I think Revis

1334
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: belongs because of the years. He just he can't put

1335
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: Sherman there. He can't play on the inside. He's like

1336
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: you are the comment. You're king of the eye test,

1337
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: and I need people like number one on the eye test.

1338
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: But that's I need people like you, people that really

1339
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: know their stuff to let the people know. I know

1340
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: his peak wasn't as long as you wanted to. I

1341
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: know they got banged by carry over, but you cannot

1342
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: leave this guy off a list like this because he

1343
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: was that great. Okay, well, that factors in, and that

1344
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: will probably I will people need you in the article.

1345
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's on here because of Dan's passionate

1346
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: had vocation, which makes sense to me. You're coming to

1347
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: the right guy with the right argument. All right, good, uh, punter,

1348
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: love it Johnny Hecker. Bang Thomas Morristead, who's still there

1349
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Do it John Hecker last week in

1350
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: that debacle against the Cowboys, just a maestro performance for

1351
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: a punter about that task. He needed that because it

1352
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: hasn't been his best year. Now we've skipped a position

1353
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: here when less we're going to keep that as a

1354
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: surprise of all times, so he's getting it safety. Earl

1355
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: Thomas and Eric Berry you have penciled in with well,

1356
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: Arison Smith, Eric Whitel, Devin mccordy, all uh Loomy. I

1357
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: would say Earl is impermanent Marker Barry is penciled in.

1358
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: I can hear arguments for wet O m already, Harrison Smith,

1359
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins, Miko is not gonna like that you have

1360
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Brent buried at the cornerback. I think I would put

1361
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: mccordy and Harrison Smith over Eric Berry because Eric berryes

1362
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: didn't have even the seasons he played a couple of

1363
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: them were marred by returning from injury, and he wasn't

1364
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: quite a dominant player, whereas he had like two really

1365
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: dominant great seasons. But it's the whole decade where McCarty

1366
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: is great throughout and Harrison Smith put stack together a

1367
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: lot of good years. I might lean Harrison Smith. You

1368
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: might You could argue one could argue that the greatest

1369
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: accomplishment in that group was Eric Barry returning from cancer

1370
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: to play in an all pro level. Strong argument. Now,

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what am I going to argue against the

1372
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: cancer argument. It's just like he carries a little more

1373
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: can be your article. Imagine, imagine like Weston, like the

1374
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame room, and he brings up that every

1375
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: like okay, days over. Just put Barry very right in no,

1376
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: I I think you have to factor everything in. That

1377
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: is one great accomplishment that he is in. His peaks

1378
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: are higher. He has three first team bros. Weddell had

1379
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: a couple, Harrison Smith surprisingly only had one, and then

1380
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: mccordy's kind of that compiler. That's just why I like

1381
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith splits the difference a little bit where the

1382
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: peaks are good. But Harrison Smith, how many years has

1383
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: he played in the decade? Two thousand twelve was his

1384
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: rookie year. Okay, so he's been most of the decade.

1385
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: And finally the most important position to hit. I mean,

1386
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: this is easier than Cronk, This is easier than Aaron Donald.

1387
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: This is easier, uh than any position in my mind,

1388
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: justin Tucker not just the best kicker of this decade, arguably,

1389
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe not so arguably maybe inarguably the greatest kicker in

1390
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: NFL history is your kicker in the decade. I still

1391
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: believe Gronk is the easiest choice, but justin Tucker has

1392
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: be the second easiest choice. I'm I'm thinking you wave

1393
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: even the five year Hall of Fame waiting period for sure.

1394
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: When he hangs it up in ten years or whatever.

1395
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: Who would be second? Then the ghost Stephen Gooski? Is

1396
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: that what they call sometimes? Yeah, he was second on

1397
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: my list, which did no research, just trader guessing. Does

1398
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: Tucker you know he's had a few missed extra points

1399
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: of late? Is it because he's so unconcerned about his

1400
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: status on this list that he can make a few

1401
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: mistakes at this point and still just glide right in?

1402
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: Tucker is kind of like a preseason picture. He's out

1403
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: here trying things because he's kind of bored. He's like,

1404
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: let me trying to spin to see if this works.

1405
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: He played traditional rock and now he's playing jazz. Yes,

1406
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: he I think that's well said. He's at a different level.

1407
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: He's trying things that these other kickers haven't hadn't even

1408
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: entered their mind. Belichick did call him the greatest kicker

1409
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: in NFL history. He also got Joe Mixon the best

1410
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: running back in the NFL last week, so he also

1411
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: said Hecker was like the greatest turn Yeah, this is

1412
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: all checking out. That makes sense because they are better,

1413
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: uh than ever before. And if we're looking for a

1414
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: feud we still have that Matt Prador situation as well. Mark.

1415
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: There are so many ways to go with the feud

1416
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: scenario here. Remember my Al Lighter feud, You're all Lighter

1417
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: feud also from the might have been the same media

1418
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: that day, Um Al Lighter budding in front of West

1419
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: to get some availability, budding in front of everyone because

1420
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: he's al lighter, Right, that was a left postseason game

1421
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: Western super Bowl Media Day. Not exactly the marriage. Not

1422
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: here's my feud, the entire media night industry. I mean

1423
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: when they went from media Day to Opening Night, that

1424
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: was one of the darkest days in the NFL. That

1425
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: was well. I feel like there are other events on

1426
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: the horizon that are gonna be going through some tinkering

1427
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: and changes according to various reports that could add new

1428
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: waves of annoyance to our life in on Opening Night,

1429
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: potentially in Indianapolis for the combine. So I don't think

1430
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: that affects us, but they're they're gonna blow that thing

1431
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: out too, all right, blowing out another podcast. Plugs Power

1432
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: rankings are up, check it out. I just want to

1433
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: see where your team is the debrief? What do we

1434
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: lead with on the debrief this week? The Gilmore T. J.

1435
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: Watt Defensive Player of the Year debate, at least I

1436
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: narrowed it down to those two at the top. The

1437
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year debate, I think, is also wide open.

1438
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: You could probably make a case for four different guys. Hardbaugh, Um,

1439
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Kyle Shanahan. Who am I forgetting Sean? It's

1440
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: pretty wide open. Yeah. Now I realized when you were

1441
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: pitching this as a topic it was the actual awards,

1442
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: not making up awards because it's like two weeks. Well,

1443
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: we could, we could, certainly. Alright, let's places to be.

1444
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year is pretty wide open. We

1445
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: can talk about it next week. Okay, all right, stick

1446
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: a pin in it and mark long form Part two, Well,

1447
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: not really a long form. This is your diary of

1448
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: your trip to Oakland. It was as long as the

1449
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: other one. It felt like, I mean, it's these don't

1450
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, didn't that didn't write it in twelve minutes,

1451
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: but it's it was fun to write because it was

1452
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: just like I wrote it in a notebook the whole

1453
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: day and you know, come back, and it's fun. I've

1454
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: done the Diers before. It's one little it's not as

1455
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: hard to write because you're just kind of dumping out

1456
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: what you were, you know, it's more your mind. It's

1457
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: also it's like, no one can argue with what I

1458
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: say I saw when I was not being you know

1459
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't have the Patriots taping crew monitoring

1460
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: me during this, so there's no footage of what I

1461
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: saw or didn't see. But it is true what I wrote,

1462
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:48,839
Speaker 1: and I just a very strange It makes you suspect

1463
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: a lot. It's entirely true. I mean, I only wrote

1464
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: what I saw. It was like there, it couldn't have been, Like,

1465
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: no one would even know if I murdered. I'm just

1466
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: sayings like and it's like who who knows? There's not

1467
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: any proof, And this is like a analytical piece. What

1468
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: can anyone say? What can they say? There's no argument

1469
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: the kind of thing to write. Remember the outline in

1470
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: the last season of The Wire where the reporter made

1471
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: up a serial killer to somehow, you know, keep a

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Speaker 1: paper afloat. I don't know what was the backstory. There's

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01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: a possibility now in my mind that you have some

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01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: fictitious elements to the story. Well that is not just

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: in case anyone is listening of you know, authority level. No,

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: it's there's in here that's not true, but what if

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: there was. It did kind of remind me of though,

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01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: like in a TV show and it's like an investigation

1479
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: and they bring in a really secondary figure that they

1480
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: just want some background, and then they just start talking

1481
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: and totally implicate themselves and they're like, wait a second,

1482
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: did this guy doing? And one final thought for me

1483
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: is that I want everyone to know just if we're

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna um talk about this that I did also, uh

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: fly to Cancoon, Mexico for spring break. Oh one. So

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: if you want to say I'm not worldly, I don't

1487
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: think Camcoon councils. You can't be contained inside the United States.

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01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: The desire to experience other cultures. What a what a

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,799
Speaker 1: week it was? You went to the Panama city of Mexico,

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01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: and that's worldly. Just put it out there. I mean,

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: if you want to go to country for country, I

1492
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: bet I'm not trailing you guys by too much what

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01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got Mexico. I've been in Germany, but

1494
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: got the US. I got England, I got Ireland, so

1495
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys aren't lapping me in this competition,

1496
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: and you're all older than me. So I did a

1497
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: whole like thing where you just kind of like sack

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01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: packed around Europe. So that was a volume trip for me.

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: That's gonna take. It's going to take. That's a nice

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: job about you. It's gonna take you out. Um. But yes,

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: the best way to experience um, international culture is television

1502
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: is with hundreds of drunk Americans in a cloistered scenario. Alright,

1503
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: resort and just put it out there. I got Mexico. Alright, Well,

1504
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 1: we've all been to Mexico. There's many parts of Mexico.

1505
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: It's not just like one. Well tell me about it

1506
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: as you've as you've traveled, you know with across the

1507
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: actually have a great history and knowledge of the nation.

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01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: Based on your commentary there, I would love to travel

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: to all parts of Mexico and really all parts. So

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: what you guys are getting on me more is just

1511
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying I'd love to do it. That's

1512
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: what I was pointing out was like all anyone else

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01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: says is that they'd like to because no one really

1514
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: it would be easy for me just to say yeah,

1515
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm the same way, but I also say it real,

1516
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: that's all getting on you. We've let the topic go

1517
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: multiple you continue to bring it up, so we're not

1518
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: But it's I've heard a lot from from Mexican people,

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: just like the best way to experience their cultures can't

1520
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: cooon spring breaks whatever. They've got senior frogs. That's just like,

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: if you really want to know the inside story, that's it.

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: The best way to experience any Mexico areas, find the

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01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: local senor frogs and have a good time, all right, Ricky,

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: Ricky's worldly. Ricky's the right way. No. I started pressing

1525
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: it and then I wasn't sure if you were asking

1526
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: me about because in the past year I've done what Ireland, uh, Scotland, UK.

1527
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: You got the right idea of Portugal Spain. You also

1528
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: have that connection to the airline industry, which is really

1529
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: helping you in this right, not with the international That's true. Yeah,

1530
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, she knows the ins and outs and

1531
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: what happens. She's got that guap, she got that quap,

1532
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: she got that New England blue blood quap. Okay, here

1533
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: we go stripped in the Studio, both sides of the

1534
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: glass for a quiet storm. The Maleman, the old Boss,

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01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood dripping behind the glasp