1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, we'll get to 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: the heart of the issues that matter to you today. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: We're talking about the mainstream media. You know, what role 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: does the media have in this heightened, volatile political environment 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: that we're living in. We're going to ask my friend 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: and colleague from Fox News and who's also the author 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: of the greatest comeback ever, Joe Kanca, to unpack some 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: of these explosive stories we're saying in the country. We'll 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: talk about Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension. I guess he's still 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, next Star and Sinclair aren't going to air 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: his show on the ABC affiliates. But should he be 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: permanently fired? Why can't he just apologize? Why didn't ABC 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: force him to apologize? So we'll talk about that in 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: his comments related to Charlie Kirk's assassination, lying telling us 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: that the killer was Maga when he was a left 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: wing freak. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Then we're also going to talk about. 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: The Dallas ice facility shooting, where a sniper's anti ice 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: bullet casings arked to debate in the media over this 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: terrible political rhetoric we're saying that is leading to these 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: attacks on ICE agents and also just increased attacks from 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: leftists as well. So stay tuned for Joe Concha's sharp insights. 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: He's always great on everything media and beyond, but particularly 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: the media, So stay tuned for this honest conversation to 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of all of this with Joe Kanja. 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: Joe Concha, it's great to have you back on the show. 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, no shortage of media related items to get to, 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: but I wanted to start because we were talking before 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: we got started. 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: You're a New Jersey guy. You live in New Jersey. 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: There's a big, big gubernatial race there between Mikey Cheryl 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: and Jack Chitarelli. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen? He's closing 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: the gap now there. 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: She kind of fell apart recently during a debate that's 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: mid made headlines. 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: What does your gut tell you? What do you think? 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: My gut feels like I'm watching Kamala two dot O 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: with Mikey sh Cheryl. 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: In terms of this, when you put her in a. 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: Teleprompter, sounds fine, does a decent speech. You take her 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: outside the teleprompter and she becomes another human Chernobyl. So 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: when she was asked about seven and a half million 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: dollars that she made in stock trades. 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: She had no good answer. 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: I mean, just fumbling, bumbling, stumbling through it, and that 47 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: seemed to be a big turning point. 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: She went after Charlie Kirk during the debate in. 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: Terms of just going after him again, this is two 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: weeks before Charlie was executed, and she should have just said, 51 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: I disagree with him on certain things, but it's horrible 52 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: that a thirty one year old father of two and 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: a loving husband lost his life because somebody disagreed with him. 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: There's a pretty you worked in politics. 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: There's a boiler preyed answer you could give there to 56 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: just get out and move on without maybe insulting your 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: far left supporters and at the same time showing some 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 3: respect and not really pissing off independent voters or any 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: Republicans that you're trying to bring over. So Chinarelli people 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: may remember four years ago, Lisa phil Murphy was so 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: favored to win that race that even Fox that night 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: during the election, we were so focused on Virginia that 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: we were scrambling for. 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: Maps through Jersey in. 65 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: Terms of what votes need to come in because Chitaerelly 66 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 3: led for most of the night, and then Murphy ended 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: up winning by two points or so after he won 68 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: the previous election by eighteen So Chitderelly is that close then, 69 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 3: and more voters have gotten to know him since as 70 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: more of a brand name, and he's just an authentic 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: Jersey guy who definitely does not come across his phone. 72 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 4: He definitely can think on his feet. 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: I think he has a very good chance to flip 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: New Jersey red because we saw during even the election 75 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: Joe Biden won by sixteen points in Jersey in twenty 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: twenty and Donald Trump shaved that down to five in 77 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So it's definitely moving in a red direction, 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: and Chittarelly versus Cheryl will be a big indicator as 79 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: far as what's going to happen in the midterms in 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. 81 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting because he did it. 82 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: You almost beat Murphy, which is why I was kind 83 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: of wondering why he had been lagged behind so much 84 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: up until recently, because you know, to be an incumbent 85 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: governor is much more difficult than you know, this sort 86 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: of open seat, open race scenario. 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: But it seems like. 88 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Obviously he's been able to play catch up and then 89 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: potentially then some so you know, that would be a 90 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: great race for Republicans to win. You kind of mentioned 91 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: her inability to just like condemn this right and like, 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: why can't you just, you know, regardless what you think 93 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: of Charlie's believes in the things he said, like why 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: can't people just. 95 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: Be human beings? Yeah? 96 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Why do you think the left is having such a 97 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: hard time? Just like we saw that with Jimmy Kimmel 98 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: as well, which led to his suspension. He even tried 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: to blame it on MAGA, Like why why can't they 100 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: just admit what the facts tell us that, you know, 101 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: a far leftist. 102 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: Did this. 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're a party that's led by emotion 104 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: first and then common sense and what is the right 105 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: thing to say or do politically distant third. That's the 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: thing I mean, Kimmel, it just angers me so much 107 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: that he is exploiting this now because he thinks somehow 108 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: he's a free speech martyr, Like he's a bigger victim 109 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: than Charlie himself. I mean, it's very clear what he said. 110 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: He said that the Maga gang was trying to deny 111 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: that the shooter Tyler Robinson was part of any other 112 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: group besides themselves. That was said just a couple of 113 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: days after Charlie was murdered, and he still will not 114 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: apologize for it. He still will not apologize to Erica Kirk. 115 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: The family still won't write a big fat check as 116 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: he should to Turning Point USA. And then you just 117 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: look at other people on the left just always like, well, 118 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, he led a big movement, but there's always 119 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: the butt. But he did say some pretty horrible things 120 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: about He said, Martin Luther King wasn't a good guy. 121 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: All Right, I'll say this on your show, said Martin 122 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: Luther King wasn't a good guy. 123 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: Do I believe in. 124 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: Everything he stood for as far as civil rights for 125 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: Blacksmith Country? Do I think he gave one the great 126 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: speeches of all time at the Mall in Washington? Yes, 127 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: But Charlie was talking about, since we have to add 128 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: context everything because context is important, was that Charlie. 129 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: Was a man of faith. 130 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: He's a man who obviously is very near and dear 131 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: to his wife and obviously very loyal and therefore is 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: not straying with multiple, multiple other women when he was 133 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: talking about Martha Looker King not being a good guy. 134 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: He was talking about he wasn't a good husband to 135 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: his wife because he was a known womanizer. Now that 136 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: doesn't take away from the movement, doesn't take away from 137 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: the fact that he did so many good things for 138 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: this country. And you can say the same thing about 139 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton up until Monica, when 140 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: you look at the way the country was run in 141 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: terms of the economy, in terms of working with New Gingridge. 142 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: On the other side, in terms of having peace and prosperity, 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: you could say his presidency was a success. But he 144 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: wasn't a good guy obviously, you know Monica and everything 145 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: else that he had done in the past. So yeah, 146 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: you could split the two. And this is what people 147 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: are saying about Charlie and just taking all of his 148 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: all of his speeches, everything he said completely out of context, 149 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: and now he lost his life for it. Again, He's 150 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: going to be so much bigger in death than he 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: was in life, which is hard to think about. But 152 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: when you also think about what have they had now, 153 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: something like seventy five thousand chapter requests throughout the country 154 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: for I. 155 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: Think twenty thousand that much. 156 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, I think that was the other day, 157 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: so I think it was one hundred and twenty thousand. 158 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: It's like the old Tesla stock like every day, if 159 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: you don't check it, you're like, wow, it's at here. 160 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: Now one hundred and twenty thousand. 161 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: And Erica Kirk is the person. I can't believe the 162 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: strength that she has here. I mean, she was there 163 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: when her husband was killed. She's got to still raise 164 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: a three and a one year old. The three thear 165 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: old absolutely knew who Charlie was and probably asked about 166 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: him every day. And I had the strength that she 167 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: did to speak the way she did at that memorial 168 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: last week is just incredible. So the Left can like 169 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: hate on him all they want, but in the end, 170 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: Charlie's going to be much bigger than all these peons 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: that are trying to take his legacy down. 172 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 173 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: It's like I saw the clip the other day when 174 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: he was closing Fox and Friends and his daughter is 175 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: like daddy and right, you know, it's like and ran 176 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: up and gave him a big hug on set it. 177 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: And then I also saw this great video that was 178 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: put together. I don't know who put it together, but 179 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: it's this, you know, liberal on TikTok being like no 180 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: one's gonna remember Charlie, you know, and he's not gonna 181 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: leave a legacy, like he's nobody, you know, that kind 182 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: of thing, and then it just shows like just you know, 183 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: millions of people around the world celebrating his life and 184 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: like coming to crisis. It's like a really powerful video 185 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: just showing how much of an impact Charlie has had, 186 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: even you know, before his death, but even more so 187 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: after his assassination of people just realizing the evil that 188 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: we're up against, but like talking about that evil and. 189 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: The framing of all this. 190 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: It's like the mainstream media they seemed more aggrieved by 191 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension than about a thirty year old 192 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: young man who is a devoted father, a devoted. 193 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: Husband, and you know, a good person. Right. 194 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: They seemed more aggrieved by a brief suspension than a 195 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: loss of a human life. 196 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: Do you think that's an accurate statement? And what is 197 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 2: tell us about the media today. 198 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: Completely and totally and it tells, oh, they're so hypocritical. 199 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 4: I cannot take this anymore. 200 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: Where they're talking about how free speech is under attack, 201 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: democracy is under attack Trump from Trump Trump Trump. You 202 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: go back and look at the statements of between twenty 203 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: twenty one and twenty twenty five where you have like 204 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 3: Brian Stelter, for example, CNN, he literally was calling cable 205 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: operators like a Comcast for example, Time Warner, whoever you 206 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: have in your area of Horizon Bios and asking how 207 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: can they carry a network that engages in misinformation and 208 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 3: hates speech like Fox does, and was looking to get 209 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: people on the record to basically say, you know what, 210 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 3: maybe In other words, he was running as an activist 211 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: trying to get not one person off the air at Fox, 212 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: the whole network, right, that is beyond censorship. And by 213 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: the way, he was doing it for because his boss 214 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: was telling him too, because Fox quadruples or more CNN 215 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: so and it again beat him, I guess, try to 216 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: get him off the air. Now he's screaming about how 217 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: free speech is under attack. And by the way, it's 218 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: not free speech that's under attack with Kimmel because Kimmel 219 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: again he said this himself in twenty twenty eight Lisa, 220 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: where he said you could say whatever you want, but 221 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: a network doesn't have to pay you to say it. 222 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: He said that after Roseanne Barr was fired in twenty 223 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 3: twenty eight from ABC, and boy, he was exactly right 224 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: about that. So Jimmy Kimmel, if the affiliates say we 225 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: don't like what he is saying in the light of 226 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's murder, he won't won't apologize. We don't have 227 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: to carry his show on our affiliates Sinclair and Nexttar 228 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: if we don't want to. 229 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: And that's their freedom of speech. 230 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 3: That's them doing what's in the best interest of their customers. 231 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: So that's not free speech being squashed. 232 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: That's the free market, and the free market also says 233 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: that Jimmy Kimmel for years now has been a distant 234 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: third and a four horse race. 235 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: In late night. 236 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: Greg Gottfeld often doubled his audience despite having you know, 237 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: you've been on Greg's show before. The staff is like eight, 238 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: when Kimmel has like a hundred, and Greg's still doubling 239 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: his ratings. 240 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: And he was losing tens of millions of dollars for Disney. 241 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: So I always argue, it's not like take him off 242 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: the air because he said something bad. Take him off 243 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: the air because he's losing your network a ton of money. 244 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: And he's a toxic brand. And when your supply is 245 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: toxic and your demand isn't there, you go bye bye, 246 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: like Colbert is yet now Kimmel all this week since 247 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: he's been back talking about how President Trump is trying 248 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: to take him in Colbert off the air. No, Trump 249 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: has nothing to do with this, because if he did, 250 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: Kim wouldn't be back on the air right now. 251 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 4: Now, what do you quick break? 252 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: Stay with us? 253 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social 254 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: media or maybe send it to a friend or a 255 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: family member. 256 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: People, you know, make. 257 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: Mistakes, but his was just an outright lie, and you 258 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: saw even with ABC News reporter Matt Gutman, he apologized. 259 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: He said some weird things about basically trying to like, 260 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, between Tyler Robinson, the you know, legised assassin and. 261 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 4: He's trying to protect him. 262 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, trying to say that this was like some 263 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: love story. You know, there's like really weird comments about 264 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: how it's like a love story and you know, sort 265 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: of like sympathizing with the killer and his lover. And 266 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: you know, he ended up apologizing, So like why as 267 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: an EBC, you know, they don't want to suspend them indefinitely. 268 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: I mean, we know next Star in Sinclaara so far 269 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: have said that they're not airing the Jimmy Kimmel Show, 270 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: but you know, why not at least just force an apology. 271 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: Say hey, look, the condition of your return to air 272 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,479 Speaker 1: is just apologizing for lying and like committing. 273 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: To get the facts straight. Like at the very least that. 274 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: Would seem like the respectable and honorable thing to do 275 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: is just admit he was wrong. 276 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're scared. 277 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: I think they're scared of all these actors and producers 278 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: just said we will never work with Disney again unless 279 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: you put Jimmy Kimmel back in the air. 280 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: But he's losing us tens of millions of dollars. Put 281 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: it back in the air, damn it. 282 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: We don't care, like they live in a fantasy land 283 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: that where you know, business is business and money is 284 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: money and you need profits in order to stay in business. 285 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the boycotts freaked him out a bit. 286 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: And I think what they want to do now least 287 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: is Kimmel's contract is up in a couple of months, 288 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: so when the contract ends, they just don't have to 289 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: renew it. And no one can say, oh, woll Trump 290 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 3: took him off the air. There's about free speech, and 291 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Kimmel can go to like Netflix and Hulu tomorrow and 292 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: just do a show there and probably make the same 293 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: amount of money without the fear of like advertiser revolt 294 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: or affiliate revolt, and everybody will be happy. 295 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: So again, he's not getting his free speech taken away 296 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: from him. 297 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: He could go on substack tomorrow and join all his 298 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: friends like Don Lemon and Chuck Todd and Terry Moran 299 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: and Joy Reid and say. 300 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: Whatever the hell he wants. 301 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: So I think he'd be happier doing that, quite frankly, 302 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: but I think Disney Nan wants to run out the 303 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: clock and quietly not renew his contract instead of having 304 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: all the heat on them like they did over the 305 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: last week from all these producers and actors. 306 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: How much does it her ABC's bottom line For Sinclair 307 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: at Next Star to say, who own a bunch of 308 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: the ABC affiliates to say we're not going to run 309 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: the show, they lose. 310 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 4: About twenty two percent of their audience. 311 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot of cities, not the major 312 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: major ones like New York for example, but Washington, d 313 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: C is a Sinclair station, for example, so you can't 314 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: watch Kimmel there. 315 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: I think it's sustainable. 316 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: You know, you can look at Kimmel's numbers from earlier 317 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: this week and you're like, wow, six million people tuned in, 318 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: which was his highest ever. 319 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: But that's going to go away in a hurry. 320 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: That was just people tuing in to see how he 321 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: would react, and he'll go right back to third place again. 322 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: So I think again, I think they're willing to eat 323 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: the loss in the short term, and then when they 324 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: could get rid of Kimmel quietly, then they just do that. 325 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: And quite frankly, you could put on celebrity Family Feud 326 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: or Dancing with the Stars for almost no money and 327 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: still get the number that Kimmel was getting. 328 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 4: So I think that's the game plan overall. 329 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: You know how much you know, we're seeing a lot 330 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: of changes in the media landscape. You know, you look 331 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: at these changes with CBS and like CNN could potentially 332 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: be purchased. I what does that mean for like both 333 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: network and cable tv. 334 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: I think it means that what we grew up with, 335 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: at least what I grew up with her you just 336 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: turned thirty one. I think I'm a little older than you, 337 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: but I think overall, like I grew up with av 338 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: forty jail. 339 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,479 Speaker 2: But that's okay, okay. 340 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: Okay, Well you're aging quite well, my friend. 341 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: Thank you. It takes a lot of work. But that's 342 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: another conversation. 343 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: It's all that's are out. You're a volunteer. 344 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: They all age well, say ABC, CBS, NBC, Like that's 345 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: what I grew up with. 346 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: Channel's two, four, and seven here in New York. 347 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: Now it's just become so splintered, and there's so many options. 348 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, but the way I 349 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: get my news, I'll watch I'll watch two or three 350 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: shows on Fox. I'm not going to show favoritism, but 351 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: those are ones I'll at least DVR, and then this 352 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: way I could get through the commercials and watch it 353 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: in you know, like forty one minutes or whatever. But 354 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: then overall, I like to walk the dogs a lot, 355 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: hike a lot, you know, working out more. I'm a 356 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: podcast person, right, I will listen to the Truth of 357 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: Lisa Booth. I listened to the Ruthless Guys, who I 358 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: think are hilarious and informative. I think Ben Shapiro does 359 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: a good job. I like Chafis's and Dana's podcast like 360 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: I I'm just a podcast like Junkie basically, like in 361 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: the car, I haven't listened to music in my car 362 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: in years. 363 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: So I think like podcasts are. 364 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: The next big great thing, and otherwise everything else is 365 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: like you get your news from Twitter by looking at 366 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: a clip that somebody posts that somebody said on CNN 367 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: that was like profoundly stupid, and you got your fix. 368 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: So I think the days of sitting down and watching 369 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: the news like people used to with Kronkite or Peter Jennings, 370 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: Tom Brokaw, I think those days are long, oh, long gone. 371 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: I think the big contract. 372 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: Days are long gone, where you're like, oh boy, we 373 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: could get Anderson Cooper for twelve million dollars and see 374 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: and then no, you could get somebody who could get 375 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: the same ratings for you know, two hundred thousand a 376 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: year and be quite happy. So I think the celebrity, 377 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: big time days of TV news are over, and I 378 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: think everybody's going to go into their own silos and 379 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: it'll be survival of the fittest and everybody will try 380 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: to be the next Joe Rogan. 381 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 4: That's what I think you get. 382 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: To sort of you know, I guess, well, then, how 383 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: much of this is the media zone making and the 384 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: sense of like I remember there was, uh, there was 385 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: a anonymous TV executive or media executive. 386 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: I think it was in Hollywood. 387 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to forget or I'm forgetting off the top 388 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: of my head, which publication was in, but it was 389 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: part of the twenty twenty four election, and the person 390 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: essentially said it was anonymously said that the mainstream media 391 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: is dead if President Trump were to win, because it 392 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: would basically mean that, like they're no longer able to 393 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: like brainwash the population, you know, And so how much 394 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: of this is the media's own doing in the sense, 395 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: whether it's the you know, trying to downplay that this 396 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: recent Dallas sniper shooting at an ICE facility that it 397 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: was driven by hating Ice, trying to downplay that, or 398 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: trying to downplay the you know, Charlie Kirk's political assassin, 399 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: his assassin that you know, the leanings of his killer. Like, 400 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, how much of it is the media sort 401 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: of destroying itself? 402 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: I mean it's even before like Charlie and the Ice 403 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: story that we saw today obviously making a very obvious statement. 404 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: But I go back to the way Obama was treated 405 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: in the two thousand and eight election. John McCain had 406 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: no shot there, like he was going to be appointed 407 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 3: one way or another. So reporters and journalists they say 408 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: that in scare quotes, can say, oh, we were part 409 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: of history, we helped make history happen, and then they 410 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 3: continue through the Obama years, and then when Trump won 411 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, that was such an ironic moment because 412 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: shows like Morning Joe had Trump on forty one times 413 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: before that election, and they yucked it up with him, 414 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: like they were called brown nosers by Rolling Stone magazine, 415 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 3: Like liberals hated the fact that Joe and Mika had 416 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: him on so much, and so did Saturday Night Live. 417 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 3: So did by the way, Trump did Kimmel, Colbert and 418 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: Jimmy fallon before that election, as well as well as 419 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live. In other words, everybody had him on 420 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: because he was great for ratings, because they thought he 421 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: could never win. They're like, it's there's no risk in 422 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: doing this, let's just play kadum and then sure enough he. 423 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 4: Wins and they all turn on him like, oh my god, 424 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 4: I can't believe this. 425 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: Then from there everything goes downhill as far as our 426 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: media is concerned. Completely Russia collusion. That was probably a big, 427 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: big moment. COVID was a big moment as far as 428 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: if you said that co came from a lab, you 429 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: literally had your social media account shut down. 430 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 4: That's insane. 431 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: And then obviously everything through the Biden years, where the 432 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: Biden administration was more about censorship than any that we've 433 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: ever seen in history. The member of the Government Disinformation Board, 434 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: the Ministry of Truth, I mean, this was some pretty 435 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: orwelling and stuff. 436 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: And then obviously the chief fakes. 437 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: With Biden and the media telling us that no, he's 438 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: really fine, his brain didn't turn apple sauce. He's got 439 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: the physical prowess of Sakuon Barkley and the mental fitness 440 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: of Stephen Hawking. You know, like just being blatantly lied to, 441 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: Like what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not happening, 442 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: listen to us. And then when Trump wins again after 443 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: they tried to push Kamala as hard as they could, 444 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: I think they're just completely broken. And you see the numbers, lease, 445 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: I mean, CNN can't even draw five hundred thousand viewers 446 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: to their primetime shows at night. 447 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 4: Five hundred thousand. 448 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: That's eight thousand viewers per state, and they're in one 449 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: hundred million homes. 450 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 4: How is that sustainable? MSNBC almost not too much better. 451 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: Fox, on the other hand, we have a show called 452 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: The Five, which you're on quite often. They could get 453 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: four million people at five o'clock in the afternoon, two 454 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: o'clock on the West coast. So we're doing fine because 455 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: we actually have a news division that reports the news 456 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: can do so objectively. Whether we're talking about Brett or 457 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: Hammer or Harris, I could go down the line. 458 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, Fox is doing the right thing. 459 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: And plus, by the way, we don't take ourselves too seriously, 460 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: kind of have some fun sometimes that helps too. There 461 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: is a little bit of an entertainment aspect to this 462 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: as well when warranted. 463 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think. 464 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: Overall, yes, it's almost entirely the media's fault where. 465 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 4: They sit right now. 466 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 3: And then some of it obviously is technology in terms 467 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 3: of having options given to other people. But as we're seeing, 468 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: media is being rejected and the options the free market 469 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: is winning out here. As far as podcasts are concerned, 470 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 3: I keep going back to podcasts, but I mean, it 471 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: really is the next wave. 472 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: I think we're already there, actually quick break. 473 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: Stay with us. 474 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social 475 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: media or maybe send it to a friend or a 476 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: family member. 477 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: How much a role does in media play in. 478 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: Sort of leading to the political violence that we've seen, 479 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: because I was seeing out this earlier today, like even 480 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: looking at all the attacks on police officers that we 481 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: saw in the aftermath of the lies about Michael Brown, 482 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, they try to paint the the you know, 483 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: cops is races. And then you had the Dallas shooting 484 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: where the guy in the name of Black Lives Matter 485 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: killed a bunch of police officers, and you know other 486 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: uh you know, related shootings and killings of police officers 487 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: relating to that. So it's like, you know, I guess 488 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: how much of them How much of a role does 489 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: the media have in sort of leading to this uh 490 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: environment that we live in now where there are these 491 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: like political killings. 492 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: It's so it's such a huge role. 493 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: I mean, and it's not even just media like we 494 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: think of it, like you know, NBC, CBS, ABC, it's 495 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 3: it's Gavin Newsome going on Colbert two nights ago, and 496 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 3: you know, basically saying that Ice is the Gestapo, and 497 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: take off your masks and if you won't take it off, 498 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: will take it off for you. I mean, again, this 499 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: is supposed to be a comedy, but instead you have 500 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: a leading presidential candidate as far as the nomination of 501 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: his party. 502 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 4: Again bashing Ice. 503 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: You have Tim Walls, a vice presidential candidate, calling them 504 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: the Gestapo, Dan Golden New York Gestapo, Keem Jeffries Gestapo. 505 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: I mean they're using Nazi language to describe agents who 506 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: are trying to remove the most violent criminals here in 507 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: this country illegally. I mean it is political suicide. And 508 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: the media will put on the loudest voices, the most 509 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: provocative voices possible, because they're looking for that cheap click 510 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: or viral moment. And that's why Jasmine Crockett now is 511 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: the face of the Democratic Party. 512 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: When she can. 513 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 3: Say things like well, just because you commit a crime, 514 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 3: you're not a criminal, or she could call the governor 515 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: of Texas governor hot wheels when he's sitting in a wheelchair, 516 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: or when she can call Trump a hitler wannabe or 517 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: Elon Musk, I want him taken out for my birthday, 518 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: and we know what that means. She gets the most 519 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: airtime now because she says the craziest things. 520 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 4: And if you reward. 521 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: People like that, you know, these people don't book themselves 522 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 3: on these shows. Usually it's the So if Dana Bash 523 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 3: wants Jasmine Crockett on Stay of the Union is supposed 524 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: to be a serious show, she's going to get him, 525 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: or Anderson Cooper or Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow. 526 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: I could go down the line. 527 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: They're platforming people who are saying dangerous things. You could 528 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: talk about free speech, but I'm sorry when when when 529 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: you go to Nazi type of language to describe federal agents, 530 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: it's going to get somebody killed eventually. Somebody was killed 531 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 3: already in Dallas. It wasn't a nice agent. But we're 532 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: at this point now where it's only a matter of 533 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: when not if. 534 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: So is that the intention? Then? Are they trying to 535 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: get people killed? 536 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: I think no, I think they're they're they're thinking of themselves, Lisa, 537 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: as far as like media members like how do I 538 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: get the most eyeballs on my show? 539 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: How do I get a cliptic viral on my show? 540 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: So you're not going to You're not going to book 541 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: somebody like John Fetterman anymore because Fetterman actually is a 542 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: voice of reason within the Democratic Party and he doesn't 543 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: say provocative things. 544 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: He's a common sense guy. 545 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 3: He's probably the only one in the Senate that you 546 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 3: can say that about about Democrats. 547 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: So he's not going to get a booking. 548 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: But AOC is going to get a booking, and Bernie 549 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: is going to get a booking, and and and Donnie's 550 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: going to get a booking because they're the ones that 551 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: are going to bring more eyeballs from the far left. 552 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: And the way you do that is to say things 553 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: that get people either fearful or angry, and that's what's 554 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: getting rewarded right now by so many of these media outlets. 555 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to leave us with, 556 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: Joe before we go? 557 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 3: Uh? 558 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 4: Sure? 559 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 3: So, how do you feel about the big weekend show 560 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: now being a three hour lift? I'm excited about it, 561 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: but boy, I've never done a three hour show before. 562 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: I you, yeah, I've filled in on Fox and Friends. 563 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: That's right, A bunch. 564 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's yeah, that's well three hours during 565 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: the weekday and four hours on the weekend. 566 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: But that's different because when you do that show, you're. 567 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Not on every single segment and then breaks throughout the 568 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: four hours and then during the weekends and then and 569 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: also you do like you know, segments where you're like 570 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: getting up and going outside and like you know, we're 571 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: eating with food, you know what I mean. So it's 572 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: like very interactive, so it actually kind of flies by. 573 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the three hours we'll see. I mean, look, 574 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: the show has been doing really well. Obviously a big 575 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: fan of everyone on it, you know, big fan of 576 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Tommy and Joey who just got named as co hosts. 577 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, three hours a lot, so we'll say. But 578 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, the show's doing great so far, so they 579 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: seem to know what they're doing with it. 580 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 4: So hopefully you're on a week from this weekend. 581 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: I think it's the first weekend in October, because I 582 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: will be on there for the first three hour shows, 583 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: so hopefully we were paired together. 584 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 4: She usually got here it. 585 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Was, but I'm not going to do that one now, 586 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: but I will be on at the end of the 587 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: month in October. 588 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm working my wife's birthday that Sunday, my show, like 589 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: like you have her like come in and meet me 590 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: for dinner, like right when the show ONSID eight o'clock and. 591 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, birthday, happy wife, Happy life, Joe. Didn't you know this? 592 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 4: No? 593 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: I know, but she hates her birthday like she's at 594 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: that age where you used to like love it, like 595 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 3: when you turned eighteen or twenty one, and now it's like, oh, 596 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 3: I don't even want to celebrate. I'm getting old, but 597 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 3: she's not. But you know it's that, is it right? 598 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: I hate it, like, no, don't celebrate me. 599 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: And then when you do, she's like excited about it 600 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: or is it like legit, like I don't want anything 601 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: to do with it. 602 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: It's not happening. 603 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: I think it's more that. 604 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 3: But I keep, you know, I keep more hinting than 605 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: I want to throw a surprise party for And she's like, 606 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: if you do that, she goes, you know, because she's 607 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: a doctor. 608 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: She's like, I can kill you and no one will 609 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: know that I did it. Mike, you don't do right. 610 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: True, I would take that threat seat maybe then just 611 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: take you take her out to dinner, just you two. 612 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: I'd be sweet. 613 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: We should double date with the guy. I think that, Yeah, 614 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: I would love that. He's probably bigger than me. Though, 615 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: so I don't know if I like that quarterback. 616 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: Talk off about that. Okay, very good, Concha. You did. 617 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: You did write his parents a very sweet note in 618 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: your book and they were thrilled about that. 619 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: That was very kind to you. 620 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, let's plug that book the greatest 621 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: comeback ever. 622 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, they love that, so it was very Sweetio. 623 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Joe Conscia is a good guy for the folks that 624 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: listen are listening, so uh, Conja, appreciate you. 625 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on. Hope to see you 626 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: see my friend. 627 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 4: Who it's always a pleasure season was Joe Concha. 628 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show. 629 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday 630 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I 631 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: also want to thank John Cassio and my producer for 632 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: putting the show together. 633 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: Until next time.