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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. We where we are showing an

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Speaker 1: abundance of caution. That's my new catchphrase. That's a new

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Speaker 1: catchphrase around the country. Matte sweep in the country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything is an abundance of caution. You can't just be cautious.

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Speaker 1: You have to have an abundance of caution. What was

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Speaker 1: Bowl has been canceled out. Have an abundance of cautious. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we think this Steeler game might get bumped with an

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Speaker 1: abundance of caution. Huh, we'll see as we tape as

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Speaker 1: as well. Do the show right now? Uh, this the

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Speaker 1: game is still on for Sunday. Uh. There is a

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Speaker 1: report that the Ravens had another positive tests today. Um.

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Speaker 1: I would guess that that one would would push this back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Um, you can't continue to have positive tests

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Speaker 1: into Saturday, Friday and Saturday and still play a game

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Speaker 1: Sundame or two before the games. This is too dangerous

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Speaker 1: for the other team. I mean, no Steeler fans will

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Speaker 1: lose their mind. But if you're the team next week Thursday,

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger's got COVID. Yeah, it's something that hasn't been talked about.

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Speaker 1: But the Tennessee Titans should be like on high alert here.

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Speaker 1: Like you had a little scuffle at midfield with these guys.

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Speaker 1: You played him in a in a overtime game. An

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Speaker 1: awful lot of them. You saw an awful lot of

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Speaker 1: the Ravens on Sunday. Um, although half the Titan has

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Speaker 1: already had it, can they get it again? Do we

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Speaker 1: know those things? I guess different strains of You know,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. There's a lot, a lot of

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Speaker 1: moving parts here. What we do know is that Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson will not play if this game has played this weekend.

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Speaker 1: So no matter what, he's gotta go ten days starting yesterday,

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Speaker 1: right starting Wednesday, assuming he doesn't show. If he shows symptoms. UH.

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Speaker 1: negative in two in those two days in a row.

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Speaker 1: Got you, But that has not happened yet. You into

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Speaker 1: that point. So he's out this week. He's not playing

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Speaker 1: this playing in week twelve. I was actually sitting there

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Speaker 1: there a chance he misses two? I think yeah, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be back for that game. I mean the Ravens

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Speaker 1: in general would lose their starting quarterback from two games,

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Speaker 1: which is massive for them. Yeah. Well right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: would have sprained his knee or porter hamstring or whatever

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Speaker 1: like anyone else. I agree. Um, so we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens with this game. Um again, we're doing this show

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Speaker 1: here in the afternoon. Nothing has been announced because we

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Speaker 1: saw last night. Uh, you know, the Lamar news came

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Speaker 1: so this is something that's certainly been in flux. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers did cancer of their practice today. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: odd to me. Well, they practiced, they hit their team

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Speaker 1: I'm sure tomorrow won't be a physical practice, right, Oh

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Speaker 1: do for a living, Hey take take a long weekend. Okay,

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Speaker 1: The fourth forfeits fit folks can't happen because the players

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Speaker 1: They've worked all week long. Their team didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson and Matt. When news of this

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Speaker 1: Ravens ran sixty eight players in that game. The Steelers

426
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Speaker 1: ran fifty. And it's those last twenty that it was.

427
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: It was the last twenty where the game got away.

428
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Like again, it was sixteen to ten with twelve minutes

429
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Speaker 1: left in the game. The game was very winnable for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers if they had any kind of offense. They didn't.

431
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: You start playing over fifty plays, you're gonna wear down

432
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: no matter what. You start playing over six the and

433
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: you're chasing these guys around and you know three no,

434
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: no water breaks hardly in between. You know, that's brutal. Yeah,

435
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: so a long year. Anyways on those guys. You know,

436
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: the Steeler's offense in that game average three point four

437
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Speaker 1: yards per play. Three point four yards per play. Under

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Speaker 1: four is as under fives bad. Under four, close to

439
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Speaker 1: three is. It's as bad as you'll see any given week. Yeah,

440
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: that's what the Steelers held the Jags at. Actually, that's

441
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Speaker 1: essentially what you saw was was Jake Luton playing quarterback

442
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Speaker 1: for the Steelers. He just didn't throw a bunch of

443
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Speaker 1: interceptions exactly. I mean, it's similar now we remember those

444
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: days times of change, though obviously for both these organizations

445
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: dramatically that least me. Pro Football Focus Today put out

446
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: a video calling the Steelers the most overrated team in

447
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: the league and the reas him for that is because

448
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger is between quarterbacks fifteen and twenty five this year.

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00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me. I don't care what their metrics say,

450
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: use your damn eyes. It would be different if quarterback

451
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Speaker 1: fifteen five does not have twenty four touchdown passes in

452
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: five interceptions this year. That's the thing, is that if

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Speaker 1: if you could come back to me and be like, yeah,

454
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Speaker 1: but he's throwing twelve picks and right, you know you

455
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 1: gotta have something to back that up, right, And the

456
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: film certainly doesn't back that up. I mean, being closed

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Speaker 1: the team and watching him every snap doesn't back that up.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I don't know how they do their formula,

459
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Speaker 1: but I assume that they just throw stuff against the wall. Right. Sure,

460
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: it's some benefit to being being a runner, you know

461
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Speaker 1: that you get some added points that way, and he

462
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: doesn't bring that. But he's not hurting the team throwing

463
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Speaker 1: the ball, and then it doesn't measure what he does

464
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Speaker 1: pre snap. If Tom Brady is rated ahead of Ben

465
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Speaker 1: row the Burger right now and they're rankings, their ranking

466
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: should be thrown out. If Baker Mayfield is rated ahead

467
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Speaker 1: of Ben Baker Mayfield doesn't thrown a touchdown pass it

468
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Speaker 1: in the last three games, hasn't thrown an interception, but

469
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: also hasn't thrown it. He's a caretaker. And they've also

470
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Speaker 1: played in down I don't care what they played in

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Speaker 1: article right, No, Three three games in a a row without

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Speaker 1: a touchdown pass. Roethlisberger has never done that in his crew.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just look at the a f C. I

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Speaker 1: think my homes number one. I think Watson's number two.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown and picking like five games, and then

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Speaker 1: it's Ben or Carr or Alan or you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. But he's certainly not fifteen to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: You could say, okay, well he's ten. Okay, I'll buy that.

479
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Speaker 1: He's not fifteen to five. There's just no way you're not.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't. You couldn't find four quarterbacks playing better quarterback

481
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Speaker 1: better at their position right now than Ben Roethlisberger. I mean,

482
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Speaker 1: he's the best in the division. I'll take him over version.

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00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: If you're gonna tell me Lamar has been better than

484
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Speaker 1: him this year, I want what you've been smoking, right,

485
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not even comparable. Again, I'm a I'm an analytics guy.

486
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Speaker 1: I think they are great tools, but they can't be

487
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Speaker 1: the only tool. That can't be the only tool. And

488
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot. I mean, but you

489
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: just mentioned it and said you don't know what he

490
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: does prett snap to get them in the right place.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Doc couldn't do that at all last week.

492
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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing we have. We have direct evidence

493
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger, without Ben roethlis Go as the Cowboys,

494
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Speaker 1: how much Doc means to him. You know something when

495
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: you miss a guy, what the difference is. And you

496
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: know people harp on Steelers throw the ball too much. Well,

497
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: if that's what the defense has given him, throwing the

498
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: ball on that play, third and or second and five

499
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: was the right call where Doc would have just ran

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Speaker 1: it right into the heavy box. And then it's second

501
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: and the third and six. You know, like that there's

502
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Speaker 1: a right best yeah right, you know, slam it up

503
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Speaker 1: in there and get nothing. And then there's other they

504
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Speaker 1: also the thing that is in impossible to judge that

505
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Greg Coastal talks about a lot, and I steal it

506
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: directly from him, is there's no stat for the ball

507
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: the quarterback should throw and does it right. We designed

508
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: this all week for a cover two beater. You got

509
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: covered too, Your guy was open and you didn't let

510
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: it fly. Alex Smith, play Yester and they had they

511
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: had two receivers catch passes that entire game. You can't

512
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Speaker 1: tell me that the offensive coordinator drew up a game

513
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Speaker 1: plan that had just two receivers catching passes all day long.

514
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: And what they scored forty some points. But he through

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Speaker 1: yards seventeen dump offs of the running backs. There's no,

516
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Speaker 1: there's not There's not a offensive coordinator in the league

517
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Speaker 1: history whose game plan says, hey, let's just keep throwing

518
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Speaker 1: the ball to the running backs. And maybe when you're

519
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: up twenty they say, just keep throwing the ball running backs. Alex, Fine,

520
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: but that's not how you drew it up on Wednesday

521
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Speaker 1: and Thursday. That was my argument all the way back

522
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: in in when Bill Kawer went with with Kent Graham

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Speaker 1: over court Else Stewart and every we're all charting. You know,

524
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: there is a quarterback competition in camp, and everybody's charting

525
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: the pass and one Graham was thirteen of sixteen today

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00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but he dumped it off. Twelve

527
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: of those are dump offs to the running backs, those

528
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: shouldn't even count. I can make those pass again, I

529
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: can throw those balls and seven on sevens. Come on.

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00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: How about when three defensive linemen are crashing in on

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Speaker 1: him and he has to make a play or extend

532
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: to play. Which one gives you the best chance to

533
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: make a big play, which one scares the defense more?

534
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: And it was Stewart and not even close because he

535
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: beats you when the ball snapped and it comes out.

536
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: But it's like Brady used to like, it might not

537
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: look great play after play, but if there's no mistakes

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00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: and you you brought this up a lot, and it

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00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: sure seems like pro football focus. The quarterbacks they like,

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00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: they commend them for after the catch production. The ones

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Speaker 1: they don't like. All his production, half of his yards

542
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: come off run after the catch, Like that doesn't count.

543
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: If you throw the ball behind him and they catch it,

544
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: they don't get a yard alls down, you know. I mean,

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00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: there's some benefits to having Deonte and A. J. Brown

546
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: and great after the catch players, and Tennessee has always

547
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: gets the ton of after the catch. That's how they're designed.

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00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Play action. You go after guys that are great after

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00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: the catch. Well that's the Steelers are doing too, but

550
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: if the quarterback can't get it to him instride, it

551
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, whatever, It's maddening, But yeah, they put

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: that out there today and I just again another really

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00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's they do some good work. Oh yeah,

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00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of but their grading system is ridiculous

555
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: that anybody who who judges things based on Pro football

556
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: focuses grading system needs to have their head examins it does.

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00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: And at some point I want to have a Hall

558
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: of Fame conversation with you two because the new guys

559
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: will come out and it's always a good topic and

560
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: fanicks back up. I really hope that guards safeties nose

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00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: tackles that whenever people try to you know, the next crop,

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Speaker 1: the next generation, that those of you, hopefully you're still

563
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Speaker 1: doing it. They're in charge of getting their guys in

564
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Don't be like, well, Marquise Pouncey's

565
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't great in pro football, folcus. You know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you start hearing that, I started hearing that, I'm

567
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: laughing him out of the room, right, and I bet

568
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: people will bring that argument to the table. He was

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Speaker 1: pro football, folks, was top rade guard three out of

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Speaker 1: five years. I don't care. I don't care. No, I

571
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Speaker 1: don't care. They had some some kid who fresh out

572
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: of college who played you know, Tiddley Winks in high school. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, grading these guys has no idea what the

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Speaker 1: play call is, has no idea what we know, what

575
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: a protection? You know, It's just it's silly. And my

576
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: favorite thing is the Pouncy argument. Is that exact article

577
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: we read. I was probably six months ago in the summer.

578
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Speaker 1: We were looking for things to talk about. They ranked

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Speaker 1: Pouncy very low among centers. But the first line was

580
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: he's asked to do one on one blocks more than

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Speaker 1: any center in the league. Like part of that's awesome,

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Speaker 1: Like I'd love pro football focus that you can tell

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00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: me he has more one on one blocks than anyone

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Speaker 1: the league. I have that information, right, Great, I want

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Speaker 1: to know, But don't ding him the second who Yeah, well,

586
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: then life's tougher for him, different scale, it's a different grade. Well,

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00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: he lost as one in one blocks, I'm gonna give

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00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: him at worst grade. Well, these guys aren't asked to

589
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: do it. But what if you'd filer helping him the

590
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: whole time and they're letting pressure in over Filer's left shoulder?

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Is that better? You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. But whatever, We're gonna take a break. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that Hall of Fame conversation. We'll do that.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that right after this. He is Matt Williams

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Speaker 1: and I'm Dale Lali. You're listening to the Drive on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Your tunes about Drive on Home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dale Ellie here with Matt Williamson and Matts. Matt mentioned

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Speaker 1: earlier in the show the last segment. Actually, uh, the

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Speaker 1: the semifinalists were announced for the Inductor for voting for

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Speaker 1: the NFL or Pro Football Hall of Fame. I should say, uh,

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Speaker 1: that list includes some newcomers. There's would be Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, Um, Calvin Johnson, and Jared Allen are the

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Speaker 1: are the first time guys this year of course as Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Former Steelers Um, Alan Fanica and Hines Ward on that

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Speaker 1: list as well. And Manning's a shoeing right. I actually

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Speaker 1: want to ask you a question about that. You've been

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Speaker 1: in that room. Can the Manning for center just be like,

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Speaker 1: do I have to do this? It's it's happened before.

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Speaker 1: I think somebody just stuff and said, Joe Montana, you

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Speaker 1: don't need to have any discussion about you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you my spiel if I need to. For Jerry Rice, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know I would think that you don't even have

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Speaker 1: to go through it. Yeah, I mean Manning's I'm looking

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Speaker 1: here at the Pro Football References UM rankings, and they

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Speaker 1: have they actually have a Hall of Fame. It's what

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Speaker 1: they call Hall of Fame monitor score, which indicates the

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Speaker 1: player's chance of election to the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame for career started after one hundred is the average

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer at the player's position. Okay, so it

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Speaker 1: measures them against other Hall of famers. So the guys

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Speaker 1: who are at the top of that list. On this

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Speaker 1: year's list, Manning is at two, so he's essentially two

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Speaker 1: and a half times better than the average Hall of famers. Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand the grating system. Now I do. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Second on the list is Alan Fanica. Yeah, you've used

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Speaker 1: that reference one thirty nine and a half and I

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Speaker 1: can say this for a fact. I'm Pro Football Reference

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Speaker 1: in these Hall of Fame guys and their player ratings

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Speaker 1: and there because they do some things that that on

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Speaker 1: their on their you can look at players graded against

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Speaker 1: other play airs over the course of their career. Fanica

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Speaker 1: Fannica last year was right there pro Football Focus grade.

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Speaker 1: He was tucked in between Dion Sanders and Johnny Unitis.

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Speaker 1: I brought this up when I gave my speech. I'm like,

636
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: this guy, according to Pro Football Reference, was every bit

637
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: of the football player those two guys were. And they're

638
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: going off facts. It's not right. I graded every play

639
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: and I felt like giving him an A or a

640
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: B year, right, right, I mean, this is how good

641
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: they were for their position, for their positions. You know,

642
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: Dion was this much better than the average cornerback. So

643
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: it was Alan. Yeah, right, I don't think I think

644
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: you think he's got a good chance to get in

645
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: this I think he gets in this year. Yeah. His

646
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: grade is one thirty nine point five. Oh so he

647
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: is better than the second best case for this second

648
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: best grade. Third on that list is Charles Woodson at three.

649
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: I think those are the I think Woodson and Manning

650
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: both get in this year's first timers. Last year, to me,

651
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Troy had the best case of the first timers, no doubt,

652
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, without question, he had the best case of

653
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: anybody in the in the class exactly, and I think

654
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: Woodson's his equal. You could be like, if Peyton Manning

655
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: doesn't in this class, Woodson is the Polumler this year.

656
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: You could make that argument. You could as a defensive

657
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: back and as good at what they did. Um third

658
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: or fourth on the list. This is kind of a

659
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: surprise because he was up last year and I really

660
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: didn't give him any consideration. Was Zach Thomas? I don't either.

661
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know Sam Mills is on this list

662
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: to both. Sam Mills was last. Like we were going

663
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: through the list of guys and the finalists, running down

664
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: the finalist list, and I couldn't he was immediately like

665
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: he was. I think he was the first guy we

666
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: talked about, and I immediately scrapped, like, oh, he had

667
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: a nice career, but he's not a Hall of Famer. Thomas, Well,

668
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: he's the best short guy ever or he's Mr Carolina Panthers.

669
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. Is he better than ray

670
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Lewis and her lacquer and better than Zach Thomas? No,

671
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I think they're similar. Maybe I don't remember Zach Thomas

672
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: or respect him, and it was Patrick Willis wasn't a finalist,

673
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: and he wasn't better. It wasn't better than Patrick Willis.

674
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: I think Willis is way underrated in this conversation. I'd

675
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: take him well over these guys, and I think he

676
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: deserves a shot on the list. Reggie Wayne is fifth

677
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: at one oh seven point oh one. See I look

678
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: at him and think, like, I know where to get

679
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: to Calvin Johnson. I'd much rather guard Reggie Wayne all

680
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: day than Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss. But if Holton

681
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Bruce and those guys are going to get in, I

682
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: think his cases as good as the longevity does matter. Yeah,

683
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: And with with Calvin Johnson, you're talking about the same

684
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: conversation that we had when Tony Basselli's name came up.

685
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: You better be pretty special, you better be really special

686
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: if you only had five or six years of extreme production.

687
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: And I think Calvin's that special, especially because the height, weight,

688
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: speed stuff too. He doesn't rate as well on this

689
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: list because of the you know the numbers. Patrick Willis

690
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: is sixth, good, Tory Holt is seventh. These are those

691
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: are Those are the seven guys that are above a

692
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: hundred a quarter according to Pro Football References Hall of

693
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: A scale. I would put Wayne in overhold, but they're

694
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: very similar to me. Eight is Leroy Butler at ninety

695
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: seven point three three. I you know, he he was good.

696
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: He was Yeah. Maybe I'm crazier, just don't remember well

697
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: enough for Some of these safeties that have gotten in

698
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: are just okay to me. I mean, there's been three

699
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: or four lately that aren't Troy, and there were a

700
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: bunch of like when the safety conversation came up last

701
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: year and then you know you're you're talking about I

702
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: think we were six of them on the list and

703
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: it was tough to you know, kind of split hairs

704
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: with that whole group. I mean, I think, like the

705
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: pallum Alders of the world are easy. I think that

706
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: next year safeties to me are okay, but they're Hall

707
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: of very goods. Yeah. Richard Seymour's ninth. That's my favorite one,

708
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: and I think he's very deserving that he'll never go

709
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: his grave his ninety six point to eight. But Selly

710
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: there's a big drop off after that. But Selly is

711
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: ten eight five point six eight, Rende Barber, he doesn't

712
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: want eighty four point eight. Um, that whole Tampa Bay thing,

713
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: And that was part of the argument. Um, Well, that

714
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: defense they you know they had because John Lynch was

715
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: up last. Yeah, well, you know they had had Sap

716
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: and they had Brooks in the middle, and then they

717
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: had you know, Lynch deep. Okay, but they won one

718
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the best defense for years. They weren't the

719
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears. They weren't even the Legion of Boom.

720
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: They weren't even the Steelers of the of the of

721
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: the two thousands dealers, right right, right, Yeah, they were

722
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: a good defense for three years. They were a great defense.

723
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: For one they all have one ring. Yeah, they don't

724
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: need to have seven Hall of Famers off of that defense, right, yeah, Yeah,

725
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean they were they were fine. Yeah, they're really good. Right.

726
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson at twelve, he's a senior candidate, Say he

727
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: doesn't belong, but I guess the senior candidates go find Yeah.

728
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: And then Calvin Johnson at thirteen as great as eighty

729
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: three point seven seven um seven thirty one catches uh

730
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: eleven thousand, six nineteen yards three touchdowns, he actually has

731
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: more touchdowns and Reggie Wayne. I don't doubt that. I

732
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: mean I don't. I think he's an easy one. Yeah.

733
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: I've always thought if someone says, is this that Hall

734
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: of Famer, and you say yep, then he should be.

735
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's Calvin. I know his numbers on

736
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: paper aren't gonna look as good, but I don't want

737
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: to guard him. I want him on my team. He's

738
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: unlike basically any receiver we've seen. And I don't want

739
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: to speak for you, but my hunch is he's gonna

740
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: be a tough one. I bet he'll be a tough one,

741
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: but he's a fight. He'll be a fight. There's a

742
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: lot of receivers. He might not make it in this year,

743
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: but he probably does get in at some point. Then

744
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you got John Lynch. You're back to that box argument.

745
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: Heines word comes in at fifteen. I know Steeler fans

746
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: think that he should be a slam dunk. It's a

747
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: tough battle. He's behind Wayne and Holt. From those guys.

748
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: To me, Eric Allen is sixteen now Jared Allen is seventeen.

749
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: I think he's got a case. And what's interesting, it's

750
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of like the safety conversation, though there's gonna be five, six,

751
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: seven edge rushers of that generation that all have nice

752
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: sack numbers and are way better than their predecessors. There's

753
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of the Kevin Green argument here

754
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And I'm not saying Kevin Green shouldn't be

755
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. He's what third or fourth

756
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: all time in sacks um? But what else you don't

757
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna do for me? But how great were there? You

758
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: know us? Because if I'm picking between him and Richard Seymour,

759
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm taking Richard too. But their stats look nothing at

760
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: all like But there's a lot of you know, the

761
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: Frenees of the world. I would take over him and Peppers,

762
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think I had a list there

763
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: was seven or eight of them that we're all that's

764
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: same that you know, resume a lot of sacks lasted

765
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: a long time, a bunch of Pro Bowls, and Alan

766
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: would be in the bottom half of those. To me,

767
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: Um Darren Woodson, I don't see it either. Bryant Young nine.

768
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: I actually think he's a great player that has no

769
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: chance because he has no numbers played defensive tackle. One

770
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: of the things they brought up about him was how

771
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: he was. He always won the Team MVP award like

772
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of times for the forty nine, you know,

773
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: which is great. But I mean, like Cortes Kennedy went,

774
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if will Fork will go. He's not quite

775
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: a nose, but he made everyone around him better like

776
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: a great nose does. He'll never get in. I mean

777
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: I would take Seymour over him, but he's a really

778
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: really good player. Just I would hate to have to

779
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: try to represent him, to try to get him in.

780
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: Cornelius Bennett his twenty, I don't see it. Willie Anderson,

781
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: great player, but no Sam Mills twenty two. Sam Mills

782
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: was a finalist last year. I don't think he'll make

783
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: it that far. Clay Matthews three, that's just lasting so long.

784
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean a really good player, don't get me wrong.

785
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: His score that was fifty two point eight. I mean

786
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: we're down into the fifties now. Rodney Harrison, I'd take

787
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: him over a couple of names you just mentioned, but no.

788
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor at five thought he was pretty darn good.

789
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: But Hall of Fame running back you better have a yarm, right, um.

790
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Cornelis. Cornelius Bennett is on this list along

791
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: with Steve Tasker asked Bills which one was more value

792
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: a Marv, who do you want for one of these

793
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: two can't be active on game day? Cornelius, who's your

794
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: second or third best defensive player that plays sixty snaps?

795
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: Or Tasker who's on the field for ten right and

796
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe makes a tackle that day? And we got some

797
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: breaking news here. The Ravens Steeler game has been tentatively

798
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: moved from Sunday to Tuesday night. Uh por per Adam Schefter.

799
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: Um selfishly, I like that I can watch football Sunday night,

800
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: Monday night, Tuesday night, and hopefully Thursday night. One more

801
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: night of football makes me happy, and I can have

802
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: all eyes on the Steelers and not worry about anybody else.

803
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Lamar is not gonna play is an immediate reaction. I

804
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: assume Dobbins and Ingram are still out as well as

805
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: the centers, so Steelers get a little bit of a break.

806
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't move the needle for me in turns. I don't

807
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: think like boy Jackson or Baltimore just got a huge

808
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: advantage because of this. I'm glad it's happening. This week,

809
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to a week a teen thing

810
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: or something like that. So, um, I'm cool with it.

811
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I would worry about I hope another shoe drops and

812
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: says we've moved another game to Thursday night because Baltimore

813
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: can't play Thursday obviously, so will they play Tuesday Sunday

814
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: which would also be hard on them because that's a

815
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: really difficult short week. And can they move another team

816
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: to Thursday, which would obviously keep the revenue stream rolling along. Okay,

817
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's something that's being talked about right now.

818
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: But you know, if they start calling around, I guarantee

819
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: nobody has Yeah, no, hey, we'll do that, you know,

820
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: unless you're a team is you know, I'm thinking it'll

821
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: be like Jacks, Browns or Jags always are the guinea

822
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: pig for that thing. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything could

823
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: be moved to Thursday. I agree, but uh yeah, that

824
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame list is interesting. Of course. Bill Nunne

825
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: also on that list is the contributor. Um, he's a shoeing.

826
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: That's a done deal. Yeah, you get you get to

827
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: that that spot as a contributor, you're going in. So

828
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Steelers could have too. Again, next week next year, they

829
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: very well could they could have. They could have five

830
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: guys going into the Hall of Fame next summer. Yeah,

831
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's unprecedented. Get your hotel. I don't care

832
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: if you if it's to Hall of Fame classes, six

833
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame classes, getting five guys in at one

834
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: time is ridiculous. I hope COVID does interfere and we

835
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: all get to go and you know, interview guys and

836
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: terrible towels flying for the whole thing. It could be

837
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah. Because oh, by the way, the Steelers

838
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: and Cowboys are still they're still slated to play in

839
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: that the Hall of Fame game. So lots of stuff

840
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: there with good stuff with that. But we're gonna take

841
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: another break here again just to let everybody know. The

842
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Steelers game, uh tentatively moved to Tuesday night. That, of course,

843
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: barring anymore continued Ravens Paul, is it of tests? If

844
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: that's the flying the a ointment with that, they need

845
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: to stop testing positive please. I know they don't have

846
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: any control over that now, but they did at one point.

847
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: So's he's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale, Lolly, you're listening to

848
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. When we come back,

849
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: it's time for the Fantasy Football Focus. We'll do that

850
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: right after this. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

851
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers

852
00:45:36,680 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale Lally

853
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson. His time for the Fantasy Football

854
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: Focus again. Uh to make the news, ESPN reporting that

855
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: the Steelers game against the Ravens that was originally scheduled

856
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: for Thursday then moved to Sunday is now going to

857
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: be played Tuesday. I'm glad you' getting it in. But

858
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: the thing I didn't think about originally was they got

859
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: a really short week for Washington. Then, who's coming off

860
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: a nice long week they played yesterday? Right, Yeah, that's here, Right,

861
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: that's here. At least that's better. But Washington's playing a

862
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: little better. We'll talk about that next week. But yeah,

863
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: we'll talk as much as we can about that. Was

864
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a short week next week. But um, it

865
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: also brings in that raises the question of what do

866
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: you do with your Steelers and Ravens players with that too?

867
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Monday night games are tough enough in terms

868
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: of injury stuff and things of that nature. I told

869
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you in one of my league's I was torn between

870
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: Will Fuller or the Ante. John Unston went with Theonte.

871
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: Now I kind of hope he plays. Left a lot

872
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: of points on the bed, so that one. I mean,

873
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: for fantasy reasons, you can at least wait till Sunday morning.

874
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: I think we'll know by the end. We should, yeah,

875
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: you know that we should that this game is probably

876
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You know they'll be traveling the next day

877
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: and you know, so yeah, um, looking at this week's games, uh,

878
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals and Patriots. The over under in that game is

879
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: forty nine and a half. Do you know who the

880
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: last defense in dv O A S. That would be

881
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah. Yeah, They've gone from like first to last, right,

882
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the speed of Arizona is gonna

883
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: cause them major It's gonna be a major problem for them.

884
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald won't play in this game. He's on the

885
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: he's on the COVID list. He's an old man. I

886
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: hope he's okay. He's essentially you can just put a

887
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: TV beside his name, just call him the tight ends, right,

888
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: you know what, he's got a consecutive game streak though

889
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: of catches. I guess we'll get broken if he doesn't play.

890
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it doesn't apply that way. Um,

891
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: but uh, interested in any Patriots in this game, Harris,

892
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: as long as it's closed, that'll be their approach. Shorten

893
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: the heck out of the game, round him like crazy.

894
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: But Michelle's back. Michelle's back, and yeah they could. You're

895
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna be the short yardage back. And you know, Birkhead's gone.

896
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: Birkhead's gone. That's why I'm gonna going with this is

897
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: if it becomes come from behind mode, that's obviously white.

898
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: Now there's right. Yeah, I mean he's gonna catch. He's

899
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: gonna running back to doing to catch passes for New

900
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: England this week, right, those other doo don't catch ENnie. Yeah,

901
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: so that's something that's something they keep an eye. And

902
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: I think they will be behind in this game. Yeah

903
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: maybe not, I'm I'm originally but the fourth quarter and

904
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: you interested in either one of the Ravens or the

905
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: Patriots receivers. Not a lot. It's not like it's a

906
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: great defense, but they're a little more unpredictable than they

907
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: used to be and how about Cam. Yeah, I gotta

908
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: have somebody better. Everybody's playing. There's no Buys this week

909
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: and there's no quarterbacks out, so he's probably not. Yeah, probably.

910
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: I guess it's a good way of preferencing all the quarterbacks. Yeah. Uh,

911
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Titans at Colts the over unders fifty one and a half.

912
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: No buck buck them, you're gonna but you're playing You're

913
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: playing Henry regardless, and you're playing a J. Brown. Anyways,

914
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, who do you think about John who Corey Davis?

915
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't think either quarterbacks the top twelve. I don't

916
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: love the matchup for the passing game of the Titans.

917
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: That defense tackles and doesn't allow. About Pittman on the

918
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: other side, Yeah, yeah, I think he's Yeah, I think

919
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver. Three solid wide receivers. Yeah. On

920
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: the rise. T Y Hilton's dead um Colts backfield. It's

921
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: a good match up. A Taylor two weeks ago against

922
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: these guys. Think he had seven carries for sixteen yards

923
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: and then it turned into uh, you know, I've been

924
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: on this low hanging fruit before and Chase points that way,

925
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: but it sure looked like they committed the tailor last week.

926
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: It's your best back. He he's your best back. Quit

927
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: messing around with these other guys. And just like if

928
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: he has seven bad carries to start the game, that's okay,

929
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: that's okay. He's gonna potentially that right that they all

930
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: do that let him, let him run his way out.

931
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: They might be on that train now. Yeah, I think

932
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: so as well. And their schedule sets up nicely for

933
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: them for him, they get some nice matchups, including this one.

934
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: They should running football right, Raiders at Falcons the over

935
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: runers fifty four. Think that's a big one. Yeah, this

936
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: one's up and down the field. Keep an eye on

937
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Julio's availability though, that's a big one. Everyone else. This

938
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: is my stack that in DFS for Sunday. This was

939
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: my stack. Um, I'm I'm running uh with the Matt

940
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: Ryan and Ridley. Yeah, keep an eye on Julio even

941
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: either way, I want Ridley. I want Ridley. Yeah, either

942
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: he's and he was a cheaper option actually, but you

943
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: know he was a couple hundred dollars more. He's the

944
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: one who scores. Yeah, he's pretty darning. Um, I mean,

945
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: like to me, we were talking about top twelve quarterbacks

946
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: car and Ryan r Now Jacob's got added to their

947
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: injury for the shoulder injury on nothings like he's always

948
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: got something play through it. But you play him, you

949
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: wish you caught more passes and put you play him? Yeah,

950
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean this this looks like an over game all

951
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: the way. It's indoors indoors. The only thing you worry

952
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: about for the Raiders is there a letdown after playing

953
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs last week? Could be That's why I think

954
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: this game will be close. Like, I don't think they

955
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: just blow Atlanta's doors off Atlantis score, don't move the

956
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: ball against that Raiders defense, Chargers and Bills over Under's

957
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: fifty three. It's another one. I think there's a lot

958
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: of points. What worries to me from the Bills is

959
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: John Brown's out and it just seems obvious that they're

960
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: they're not quite as good when they don't look as good. Um,

961
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: you say that. And Beastley is kind of emerged a

962
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, he's emerged a little bit as a

963
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: as a factor. So, um, they just like do a

964
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: lot of four wides and stuff. You can't but you

965
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: can use Beasley as a wide receiver three this week.

966
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of upside there, but the floor

967
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: is you know, you're getting ten points out of him

968
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: one way or the other. Yeah, and possibly more than

969
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: that in PPR if he gets in the end zone. Yeah.

970
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: You fiddling with Zach Moss at all. You don't run

971
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: the ball. They don't run the ball. They just don't.

972
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: It's a good defense. It looks good on paper, but

973
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: I gotta see it first. Charger side of things. I'm

974
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: not fading anybody. Ekeler could be back, probably not. Yeah,

975
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: Henry is a nice matchup for you. I mean he's

976
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: been doing well with Herbert. Mike Williams is fine. The

977
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: obvious guy. I mean Herbert's and every week starter out

978
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: and every week starter. Yeah, somebody's getting not Trdavious White.

979
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, right right now. Not defense, And even White

980
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not like he's a guy you have

981
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: to avoid or write both these defenses are pretty pretty

982
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: forgiving uh Panthers and Vikings. There's another one. I think

983
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of points. Fifty one is he

984
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: over under um Lands on the COVID list, And that's

985
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: big because I think him being out with hurt Jefferson. Yeah,

986
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: you can now focus on stopping him, but makes Cook

987
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: should have a field day, gains his Panthers defense. McCaffrey's

988
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: going to be out. Yeah, I think you start more Anderson,

989
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: maybe Samuel David. Here's my problem with starting more this week.

990
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater is coming back, and Teddy Bridgewater just ignores him.

991
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: He's Alex Smith. Everything's checked down, checked down, throws underneath,

992
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: doesn't go deep. I would have liked to see p J. Walker. Yeah,

993
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: I hope we do late in the year. Uh So

994
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: more scares me a little bit in this game. Yeah,

995
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: he's had some good games, but his good games with

996
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: Bridgewater are four for ninety, whereas his games the last

997
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: couple of weeks have been you know, six for Yeah,

998
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: it kind of limits it, Teddy limits. And he's also

999
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: had some games where Teddy just doesn't. You probably can

1000
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: do better, but he's definitely a wider Step three. You're

1001
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna, if you got me, probably gonna start. You're

1002
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: gonna hate it, but you're gonna start him. That game

1003
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: in general, like I don't know, the Cousins is a

1004
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: terrible start. No, he's fine especial there, you know, Like

1005
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: I would start him because the Panthers will do enough

1006
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: offensively that there'll be I think there'll be a lot

1007
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: of points in that game. Uh, Dolphins at Jets ackman

1008
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: out for the Dolphins. Is that just coming across. Is

1009
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: Gaskins gonna start then? Uh, he's questionable because he just

1010
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: came off the list, but he hasn't been activated yet

1011
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: the over runners forty four. That sounds about right, because

1012
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: that sounds at Donald's gonna start for the Jets. I

1013
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: think you start Jamison Crowder and he's back in good graces.

1014
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: Blaco played well though, like I think he he at

1015
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: least made gave him a downfield passing threat, like I

1016
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: would handle all those blitz is and stuff that Miami

1017
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: throws at you better than the younger guy. I don't

1018
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: see many fancy points there at all, Like I don't

1019
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: trust Miami's offense or going back to two. Uh, he

1020
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: was over He's got a bad thumb. You know, he

1021
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: was really bad and looked out of place against them.

1022
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: This is this is an under game where I don't

1023
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: want to play anybody from either team. I mean, I

1024
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: guess if it comes across, Gaskins is definitely gonna start.

1025
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: He probably an RB three type guy of lex But

1026
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: if you're hurting that bad, yikes. Yeah, Giants and Bengals,

1027
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: you over under forty four. Giants are my top streamer

1028
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: streaming defense this week. I'm not sure if we're posts

1029
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: talk about betting or not, but that's the bet that

1030
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I love the Giants minus six and a half against

1031
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: that team. They're not gonna score ever. I mean, since

1032
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: he I hate to say, if it's maybe time to

1033
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: cut Higgins any pass catchers, Brandon Allen is gonna get

1034
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: to start. He's no better than Ryan Finley. Both of

1035
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: them have less than fifty completion percentage in their in

1036
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: their careers. Yeah, it's not it's not like it's a

1037
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: tiny sample size. They've both started three games in their careers.

1038
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: Giants are coming off of bye. I think they went

1039
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: by like fifteen points. Yeah, I mean, Jones isn't a

1040
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: bad start. There's gonna be sacks, there's gonna be interceptions

1041
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: starting Galman for sure. Yeah, I think he's a solid start.

1042
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: I think Ingram's a solid start. And I think this

1043
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: would be the game that people realize in Sinnati might

1044
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: be the worst team in the league. Now, um, you know,

1045
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: the Giants to me, could put thirty up on their

1046
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: own and there's no way Cincinnati can keep up. I bet,

1047
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: I bet the Giants hold the ball for thirty eight minutes. Yeah,

1048
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: I agree? You know what I mean? Uh, Browns and

1049
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: Jaguars the overrunners forty nine and a half. No DJ

1050
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: Shark for the Jaguars. UM Mike Glennon at Mike Glennon

1051
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I mean, the Browns are gonna win this

1052
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: football game by far. Yeah, and what this could be?

1053
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Four straight games for Mayfield without a touchdown pass Trubb

1054
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: and Hunter both obviously in their lineup, Like, don't even

1055
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: think about but I don't want any Brown's pass catchers. No,

1056
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters. But I do think it's

1057
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: noteworthy that the Browns last three games they like, the

1058
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: last four weeks, they've had a Buys wrote an article

1059
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: about to say that they have had a buy and

1060
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: they've had three awful weather games. I'm sure that's why

1061
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: their past pre sending to just super low lately. But

1062
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: why even fiddle with it against the Jags? If you're

1063
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: running every place, that's what you want to do. You

1064
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: got those two running backs run at fifty times and

1065
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: get out of there. They hop put us the ball

1066
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: for forty minutes this game. Yeah, I mean, although that

1067
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Jags d is begging for you to throw on it two.

1068
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: They're so they're really beat up, right, I I get it,

1069
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: but that's not what they want to do. If O'Dell

1070
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: was healthy, i'd stardom. But no, right, Um Landry is unusable. Yeah,

1071
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: forty Niners at Rams, the over unders Rams coming off

1072
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: on Monday night, er Niners coming off of bye. But

1073
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't realized that until I mentioned earlier. Tons of

1074
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: COVID issues, with a lot of squad of COVID problems.

1075
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: Hyouke and Samuel and the guys they thought were coming

1076
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: back might not so play that by a year. I mean,

1077
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: I think the Niners could play them tough if their

1078
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: dudes are there. But the Rams are really good. The

1079
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: Rams are starting to figure out who they are on

1080
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, on both sides. Yeah, yeah,

1081
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: I think that the forty Niners do keep the stuff,

1082
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: keep an eye on who they who that running neck is.

1083
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: I hope it's Most. If it's Most, or get him

1084
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: in your lineup absolutely. If not, I guess it's McKinnon.

1085
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: Could you start a Rams running back? No, I don't

1086
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: think so, but you start both of those outside receivers

1087
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: and maybe Josh Reynolds if you're that's not terrible. Yeah,

1088
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: I think golf could be all right? Yeah, I dreaming. Um,

1089
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't. I don't love that

1090
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: forty nights offense with what if he plays? Is he startable?

1091
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: At least like to see him come back a week

1092
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: and having like yeah and see what its like with it.

1093
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: And he's not with Mullins, I mean he's not Jerry Rice. Yeah. Uh,

1094
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Saints and Broncos. Um scares me. Over run, there's only

1095
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: forty two and a half. That's a storing game. And

1096
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: you start and Tasom Hill, yeah, because he runs so much.

1097
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna look like two it did

1098
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: against the Dobroncos. Like the struggle. I think this is

1099
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: two good defenses, really good defensive mind. And what's his

1100
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: overrunner for passing yards in this game? One seventy? I

1101
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: might go on, I might go yeah about his total

1102
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: yards if he if his if his passing yards has

1103
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: won seventy, I'm gonna put his his total yards to ten.

1104
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: Do you run from more than forty yards. Yeah, I'd

1105
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: still probably go under. Yeah, it's a good defense. It's

1106
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: they're well schemed, and I know he's a lot older

1107
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: than two, but they baffled to it yet last year,

1108
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: last week. I they can see that in this one.

1109
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: And I love the Saints d but playing in Denver

1110
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: when you don't ever do that fourth quarter right right?

1111
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill running all day? Is he gonna have a

1112
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: lot of juice and his legs at the end. And

1113
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't see a ton of fantasy goodness there. Yeah,

1114
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't either. Maybe both defenses, yeah, especially the stage.

1115
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: I think you can play both defenses and you're gonna

1116
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: get get points on both sides of that Chief Buccaneers,

1117
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: which is now the game of Sunday since the Steelers

1118
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Ravens won't be played on that day. The over unders

1119
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: fifty six. I think case he wins big. I kind

1120
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: of like the Can years this game. I think they're

1121
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna be desperate. They are, I mean they should be, Yeah,

1122
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: they should be. I think they needed to take us

1123
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: take a step back and look at what they're doing

1124
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: in that Kansas City defense. Oh, it's questionable against those

1125
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: buccaneer receivers is gonna struggle. Oh, I'm excited to start

1126
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: Godwin and maybe and certainly Evans Um. Tampa's weird because

1127
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: some days they run the ball and something they just

1128
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: ignore it. So they're They're running backs are hard to

1129
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: count on, but you would think you'd try to get

1130
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: something going on the ground. Typically what you do with

1131
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: that what I've kind of looked at here with the

1132
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay running backs. If one of them has a

1133
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: good week the previous week, start the other one. Jones

1134
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: doesn't catch any passes either. He doesn't, I mean, game

1135
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: script is so important for him, but he could. He

1136
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: could run for a hundred yards against the Chiefs. He

1137
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: could if the game's close and they to stick with

1138
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: it and stick with it, I could. I think the Chiefs.

1139
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: I know the buckste is great and I respected a

1140
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: great deal. But by the fourth quarter they'll figure it out.

1141
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Chiefs are gonna get the thirty. They are.

1142
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know the Brady Will they are. Yeah, he's

1143
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: not played well, um, but this is the kind of

1144
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: game that they needed more than Kansas City does. Oh,

1145
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, no doubt. I like the Chiefs now

1146
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: and then the Monday night or no, this is a

1147
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Sunday night came right yea Bears, Bears, Packers forty over

1148
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: UNDERT five Montgomery right now, Montgomery is gonna be back.

1149
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Though their best offensive lineman white Hair has COVID. He's

1150
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: out and their line stinks, and your boy Mitch Drabinsky's

1151
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: getting the stars. He's back in the saddle. I actually

1152
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: think that might be good. It could be. Yeah, Mitch

1153
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: quit thinking run a weeks to sit and watch, you know,

1154
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: take some risks, makes some plays, be an athlete out there.

1155
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that it helps Allen Robinson and company

1156
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: that much, but I think it helps the Bears offense

1157
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: a little bit at least give you a spark. I mean,

1158
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Montgomery is a volume based RB two. Yeah, he breaks,

1159
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: no longer runs. No, but he's gonna catching. He's catching

1160
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: the ball this year. He's the only back. He's the

1161
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: only thing that they got. Um in terms of defense,

1162
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: stinks for Green Bay. First up in the run. Yeah,

1163
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're just yeah, you play him, you play Robinson.

1164
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: That's about it. From on the bare side of things.

1165
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: The Packers obviously the Big three or the Big three

1166
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: he's starting Blizard in this game if I have to,

1167
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: but there's probably you probably have better option. You want

1168
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: to see that before you, like j Moore was somebody

1169
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: you'd play over them. I'm gonna starting to think some

1170
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: of the receiver threes that we've brought up. Yeah, now

1171
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: I hear you on that one. Uh and then finally

1172
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Monday Night one off. Finally, but Monday Night the Seahawks

1173
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: Eagles the over runners fifty. Are you playing Wentz matchups?

1174
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna get hit? Yes, I mean if it doesn't

1175
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: happen for Carson Wentz this week, it's not gonna happen.

1176
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: Like would you play Wentz over Car or Ben or

1177
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: somebody like that. Car is interesting because that he's playing

1178
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: the Falcons, but they may just run the football day long. Um.

1179
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean this is set up because the Seahawks are

1180
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna score. I mean, Car's gonna have to throw for

1181
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: three d plush yards in this game. Any runs six. Yeah,

1182
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna keep throwing. It's not so bad.

1183
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. Um Breagor or Goddard with

1184
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: Art's coming back, like Foldom is kind of falling off

1185
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: the little bit. Yeah, Miles, Sanders is a must start

1186
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: to start him. Yeah, but the offense doesn't support five guys. No,

1187
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? In Seattle's do you actually

1188
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: playing a little better the last couple of weeks. Oh,

1189
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: I could be still favorable match up. Yeah, I think

1190
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: Carson's back and if he has, throw him right in.

1191
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: But the problem is it's a Monday night or it's

1192
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: a money you need to know. Uh. And then, of course,

1193
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: the final game of the week is Steelers and Ravens.

1194
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: He over undersaid it that currently at forty five, that

1195
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: game is gonna be played on Tuesday night. Um, but Ravens,

1196
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: you started, Andrews, that's it. Gus Edwards you can start.

1197
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: He'll be volume, He'll give volume, but that's it. I

1198
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: think the Steelers will want to take away the deep ball,

1199
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: and if Gus Edwards averages five yards of carry, it

1200
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: ends up with the Hunter. Steelers have the best tight

1201
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: end defense in the league. But I still think Andrews

1202
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: the top end tight end this week he's gonna get

1203
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: I just don't know how it's Griffin helping Griff. No, no,

1204
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: not at all. Griffin's not going to look his way,

1205
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: as you know, as much as for him certain Griffin

1206
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: thinking he's put up la No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1207
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: Any Steelers are hesitating with um, it's not a great

1208
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: matchup for anything. No, it's not. It's not. It's not

1209
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: a smash matchup. But I'm not fading anything. I think

1210
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: all the I think all the receivers or wide receivers

1211
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: three with two upside, all three of them. Yeah, depending

1212
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: on a touchdown, who scores tight end, which is what

1213
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: he's been he scored the last time against these guys,

1214
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: Connor is going to be volume based two. Yeah, yeah,

1215
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: I would lean against Ben, but I would as well.

1216
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, his numbers at home against the Ravens are

1217
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: actually pretty good. Yeah, over the course of his career.

1218
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: You just mentioned a lot of you know, maybe start

1219
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones over him or somebody like that, you know, yeah,

1220
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: with better matchups. But uh, and I'd start the Steelers

1221
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: defense for surely it would be very high. Yeah, you

1222
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't think that even watching the last Ravens game. But

1223
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: not many defenses. I picked up the stooter D this

1224
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: week most weeks, most way, Yeah, this week looks like one.

1225
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, not so scary. Yeah, I mean, I know

1226
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: that the Ravens had four hundred sixty five yards or

1227
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: whatever it was the last I mean, these guys, they're

1228
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: not doing that again. Yeah, doing that again. They'll struggle

1229
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: to get the three. Talk about time possession. Steels lead

1230
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: league in time possession the top. Yeah, they're like third.

1231
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: They could add to that this week. Yeah, that'll do

1232
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: it for today's fantasy football focus. Good luck to everybody

1233
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: as you pushed towards the playoffs. Hopfully are in contention.

1234
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't screw it up more between now and kick off

1235
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: for everybody. Absolutely, But he is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly.

1236
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

1237
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about what this Tuesday start now means.

1238
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: Will do that right after this your tunes about Drive

1239
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

1240
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson and

1241
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: Matt we now know that the Steelers game against Baltimore

1242
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: will be played Tuesday night. At least that's the report

1243
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: from ESPNS Adam Schefter. What does that do now? Two

1244
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: in terms of preparation, That's actually something else I was

1245
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna ask you Okay, you understand how these things work

1246
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: a little better than I do. In turn, you're there

1247
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: every week every day. They're not gonna practice today. They

1248
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: didn't practice on Friday, so Saturday all of a sudden

1249
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: becomes a full practice, not a practice, and then they'll

1250
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: they'll have another practice on Sunday. So how many does

1251
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: that give him for the week if we come back.

1252
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Did they do anything on Thanksgiving? No? I should know

1253
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: that would give them four full practices and a walk

1254
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: through Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday. Okay, I mean that's more

1255
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: than that's plenty, right, and then your walk through a

1256
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: Monday game on Tuesday, and the problem then becomes the

1257
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: Steelers host. Thankfully, good for them that they host Washington

1258
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: for NFL. Didn't care about that if you travel, no, right, no, yeah,

1259
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: you know right, um, But that's gonna be a short week.

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01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a short week. It's gonna be a

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: short week for for Baltimore. Obviously they're gonna have to

1262
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: move that. They won't. They won't play Thursday night, but

1263
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore is gonna be on a short week as well,

1264
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: coming back Tuesday again. No, they'll they'll keep them on Sunday,

1265
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: they'll move it to Sunday, which means the Marks twice.

1266
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: He'll be out, probably out for that game. But the

1267
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: Cowboys lost Cameron Irving and zachar and Zach Martin. Zack

1268
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: Martin's out for three to four weeks in their offensive

1269
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 1: line is just wrecked right now. But at the same time,

1270
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore's defensive line is wrecked. Yeah, who's gonna be available?

1271
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: And we're assuming no one else tests positive between now

1272
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: and tomorrow or two. Okay, real quick though, we just

1273
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: did it with the Steelers. How many practices do you

1274
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: think Baltimore gets Because they had to walk through on Monday.

1275
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: They had to walk through on Tuesday. They have not

1276
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: practiced since, so they haven't had a real one yet.

1277
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: They haven't had a real practice. Facilities closed. They John

1278
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: Harbas said they've closed their facility to through Monday. That

1279
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: was a John like that guy announced last mone that

1280
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: was horrible doing that. So they're gonna have a walkthrough

1281
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: on Monday. That'll be hit. So he's not gonna change

1282
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: his mind and say we're practicing. You put it out

1283
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: there now. No, as I say, that doesn't look so

1284
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: great with we're worried about players health and all those

1285
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: wonderful things. Now, to your point, the Ravens chose to

1286
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: do that. There wasn't an NFL mandate. I mean, in fact,

1287
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: it was put there was some argument about that because

1288
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of sources or guys put

1289
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: that out there. I think Schefter and Rappaport. The Ravens

1290
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: of the Ravens facility shut down to Monday. And somebody said, well,

1291
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: does that mean games not being played? And I said,

1292
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: wait a second, and I tweeted this out. I'm like,

1293
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: they're travel one Saturday. That that sounds to me like

1294
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: hard Ball shut the facility down, not the NFL. The

1295
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: NFL could say, oh, no, you're playing Sunday just because

1296
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: your facilities closed. That was your choice, not our Yeah, no,

1297
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: nobody's because Hardball then confirmed, oh yeah, I shut it down.

1298
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: That's why I interpreted was there was a raven decision. Yeah,

1299
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: so he can do that all on his own. The

1300
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: NFL could have come back and said, we don't care

1301
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: if your facility shut down. You gotta say you can

1302
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: shut do whatever you want with your facility. You're still

1303
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: a game. It doesn't matter. We don't care if you

1304
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: practice or dump practice, that's not on us. And I

1305
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: will say, I mean Tomlin canceling practice Friday, and that

1306
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: move implied to me that they probably had an inkling

1307
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: that this thing was getting bumped. I mean, it's still

1308
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: Ravens week and you need to practice. But if he's

1309
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: but if he holds to his word, they're gonna have

1310
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: zero practices, right, And that's the you know, as he's

1311
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: sitting there calling the owners saying, I know we're shutting

1312
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: down the facility, but I really want to open it

1313
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: for practice on Saturday and Sunday because we haven't practiced yet.

1314
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: Too bad. I think it's too bad. We're gonna go

1315
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: over to Johns Hopkins and have it. You can't do

1316
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: it because they're on You're on shutdown, right. You just

1317
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: said you were worried about everybody. That didn't change. Yeah, nothing,

1318
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean they've been they're shut down. He could. I mean, yeah,

1319
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: that's if that was the thing there. You know, there's

1320
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: they still have people testing positive. There was apparently another

1321
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: one today, so they can't get together. They will not practice.

1322
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: So it sounds like it. I mean, I guess you

1323
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: could walk through. They'll have a walk through Monday, get

1324
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: on it and get on their plane and come here,

1325
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: and they probably still have to take two planes. Yeah,

1326
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: there was a situation. Uh, there was a situation in

1327
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: baseball this year. I think maybe the Cardinals and Cubs

1328
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: where one of the two teams, I can't remember which

1329
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: one it was, rented a bunch of cars. All the

1330
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: players drove to the game individually because they had a

1331
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: hand an outbreak. They've even put like four people in

1332
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: a car together. They all drove into it like we

1333
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: see see you guys at the stadium. Wish I was

1334
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: hurt or whatever that day, And they probably weren't little

1335
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: economy crappy cars. And it's a good good isn't stay

1336
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: for whoever the local rental car plays is. Um, that's crazy.

1337
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Baltimore some people could drive or

1338
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: two planes or whatever too. But yeah, they're not going

1339
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: to be very prepared for a new quarterback for a

1340
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: complex defense. Obviously, you know what the Steelers do and

1341
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: you played them recently, but want to practice you do

1342
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: and that's not going to happen. Um. Look, the Steelers

1343
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: have all kinds of advantages in this football game. They do,

1344
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: they do and I don't want to hear people saying, well,

1345
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: the Steelers played the Ravens without this guy and that guy.

1346
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't care not here. I mean, nobody said that

1347
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: last year when the Steelers were playing, when they were

1348
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: when they were playing the Steelers and beating them, well,

1349
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: you know we beat the Steelers, but they didn't have

1350
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger. No, you beat Steelers. That being said, like,

1351
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: I love the Football Outsiders Almanac that really digs. It

1352
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: comes out in July and they really dig through the

1353
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: whole year, and I can already read, can already write

1354
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: that several paragraphs of it saying Steelers had some really

1355
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: good luck in terms of their strength of schedule, the

1356
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: guys they played the week they did. You know, they're

1357
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: not gonna get borrow. You're not gonna get lamar. That's

1358
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: not uncommon, No, folks, you know what happens to everybody.

1359
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: Every year there's a team or two that you can

1360
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: see their trace and you know, follow the who they

1361
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: look at the Eagles this year, I don't know who

1362
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: they think the Eagles other than Carson Wentz. Every starter

1363
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: has missed time on their office. Like the example I

1364
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: was gonna use though, was last year. The Packers are

1365
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: three and if you read the Football Outsiders paragraphs, it's well,

1366
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: they got staffed both Stafford games. He had broken back.

1367
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: They didn't get to play him. The Bears quarterbacks don't matter.

1368
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think some of the others, but they

1369
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: missed like five top quarterbacks just because the luck of

1370
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: the draw. You know, like this guy was out, that

1371
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: guy was out. Steelers didn't get that. He's completely outside

1372
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: your control. It's outside your control. And oh, by the way,

1373
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: a couple of COVID obstacles have not been favorable for

1374
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: the Stealers either. So not that it balances out. I mean,

1375
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a game postponed than play the Chiefs

1376
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: than the Packers than the you know, the Saints. But

1377
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: so what I mean is anybody gonna talk about let's say,

1378
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: let's see the Saints played Denver this week. Let's say

1379
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: the Saints lose that game. It's the Football Siders all

1380
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: the like, Well, they lost a game and in the Denver,

1381
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: but they didn't have they didn't have Drew Brees that game.

1382
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: It's like Brees is playing great. No right right right now,

1383
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. It's been a remarkable year.

1384
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: I hope it keeps up. I think it will. This

1385
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: week strange. One of the stranger weeks of it goes

1386
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: back to what we've talked like, people who want to

1387
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: put an asterisk on this season. No, no, I mean again,

1388
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: if you go on, you go put the put up

1389
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: a good record, win the super Bowl in this season.

1390
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you overcame a lot. I don't care what

1391
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: team it is. They've all had things to deal with.

1392
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't want enough about the other sports, but I

1393
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: watched a lot of NBA and NHL playoffs. It was

1394
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: no easier for those guys. I mean there was a

1395
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: grind night night after night. Yeah, you didn't have to

1396
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: fly across country if you were the l A team,

1397
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: play in the Atlanta team or whatever. Okay, yeah, and

1398
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: there is no home field advantage to me, that's somewhat

1399
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: of an asterix from the year. You know, like when

1400
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: we look at home road splits, I don't care about

1401
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: them for two thousand twenty and things like that that

1402
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: you just kind of throw away. But it doesn't mean

1403
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: it was easier. I mean, if you have usually have

1404
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: a great home crowd, you didn't have that benefit. We've

1405
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: talked about that, and I actually looked this up. Home

1406
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: teams are winning fifty of their games this year, um

1407
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: last year, but those were the those are the anomalies

1408
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: every other year before that for the most part, seven

1409
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. Um, you know, we even talked

1410
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: about this. I also have kind of a theory that

1411
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: teams are smarter now than they were ten years ago.

1412
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: They understand travel. The jets are better, you know, like

1413
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: traveling is not as hard as it used to be

1414
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen five. I mean there's something the big cushy

1415
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: jets and they get there in two hours instead of four,

1416
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: and going on the road is hard. But I think

1417
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: travels easier than it ever was. Playing with noises hard.

1418
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: There's a massive deal though, playing with noises a massive deal,

1419
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: and the lack of holding penalties is the great equalizer.

1420
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: I saw this in Bill Barnmoll put out a list

1421
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: of fifteen interesting free agents in this off season, and

1422
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: I saw this little blurb about Garrett Bulls. Garrett bull stinks.

1423
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks he's great all of a sudden, from two

1424
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, when he was a first round draft pick

1425
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: until last year, that's three seasons eight he had thirty

1426
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: four holding penalties thirty four four. This year he has three.

1427
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: He didn't suddenly stop holding. With respect respect to coach Munch,

1428
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's doing nice. The guy was averaging eleven

1429
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: point three holding penalties per season. Yes, he's on pace

1430
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: to have about five. I bet it looked like Walter

1431
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: Jones if they didn't call any four penalties going into

1432
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: this right here, and Denver told you what they thought

1433
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: of the guy they pick up they pick up his

1434
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: option if they thought he was if they thought he

1435
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: was gonna turn the corner on well, no, Munch, Munch

1436
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: just to him. No, he's close, he's closed. We get

1437
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: this thing fixed, they would have picked up his option.

1438
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: He's a left tackle, the left tackle right now. They

1439
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: need a left tackle, all right. That's a terrible place

1440
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: to be. And the whole world's thinking of and he

1441
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: drafted him in the first round. They got a guy

1442
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: now turning the corner that there's probably a ton of

1443
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: people like that, like who's led the league in holding

1444
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: calls the last two or three years. All of a

1445
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: sudden is proof of Ball focused like them? Now, you know,

1446
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: Garrett Ball suddenly their top guy because he's not getting

1447
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: called for holding anymore him that way, he's awful. He

1448
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: still holds like crazy. They just sto calling it. I'm

1449
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: watching those games yesterday and I'm like, they called a

1450
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: holding penalty on the one on at one point, I'm

1451
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,959
Speaker 1: watching the guy come off the edge and the offensive

1452
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: tackle has got his arms outside of both of his

1453
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: like he's got the guy around the shoulders. That wasn't

1454
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: the holding penalty that they called. They called one on

1455
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: the inside where the guy grabbed a little bit of

1456
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: the jersey. Yeah, I mean, it's just awful. The Ravens

1457
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: are a weird offense, but man, they should hold like crazy. Absolutely.

1458
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: That's where you're seeing a lot a lot of the

1459
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: holding penalties on the running plays where the quarterbacks running

1460
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: around or something. Somebody's you know, scrambling behind the line

1461
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and in changing direction, and the defenders who

1462
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: can see the guy also then changes direction and so

1463
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: that leads to the stretching of the jersey or the

1464
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: hug or whatever. It's just not getting called something. We

1465
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: should do a study and of every T. J. Watt

1466
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: snap in two thousand twenty, and how many holes could

1467
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: we have called and how many were I mean probably

1468
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: probably up over a hundred at this point right easily.

1469
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't watch him as closely as what but I'm

1470
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 1: sure you could do it for Garrett and Mac and

1471
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: both you know all those guys or Dupre and Hayward

1472
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: and two it. Yes, yeah, I see what has happened

1473
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 1: at four or five of them, as opposed to themes

1474
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: have won. It's just I just thought I saw that,

1475
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, he's suddenly good now because

1476
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: he's only got three. But it helps when holding is legal.

1477
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: The only way Garrett Bowls is not holding this year

1478
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: is if somebody removed his hands. That's the only way.

1479
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: The great example. I'm sure there's many like it. Yeah,

1480
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: it's just I saw that. I was like, you gotta

1481
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: be kidding me, man, And someone's gonna pay him before

1482
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: the Bengals are gonna give you need him and put it.

1483
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: Plug him into left tackle, will move Joe and Williams

1484
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: over the draft side, and well our tackles will be

1485
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: set and we don't need to take Penny Stool in

1486
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:28,839
Speaker 1: the first round and right outside linebacker kill him like awful, andys,

1487
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williams and

1488
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Ally. You're listening to the Drive here on

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back right after this your

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: tunes about drive on Home of the Black and Goal

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are back. I'm dale Ally here

1492
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt that we do like to

1493
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: take a look at the NFL dot Com Quarterback Index

1494
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: here every once in a while, and it's up for

1495
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: week twelve or through going into week twelve. Previous conversation,

1496
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: I hope Ben's not eighteen to twenty. Well, this will

1497
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: give you a better idea. And this is um this

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01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: of course is voted on. The guys who do this

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: are dot com thing, NFL dot Com. It's Ali Bumpuri,

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01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: Tom Blair, Gennaro Gennaro Felice, and Dan Parr. Familiar with

1501
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: any of them, but that's fine. Yeah. I do like

1502
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: the index. I like to check it every week. UM.

1503
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: So we'll go from the bottom to the top, uh

1504
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: and look at who is where in this thing? And

1505
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: currently number thirty two, not surprisingly is Brandon Allen. There's

1506
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: will be some other of candidates at the bottom here.

1507
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: We can probably buzz through the first few. I mean

1508
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and r G three. Yeah, but Alan Alan got

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01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,440
Speaker 1: the deep voted thirty second by everybody. He was unanimous.

1510
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: It was unanimous. Yeah, they're not gonna win another game.

1511
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: Glennon at thirty one was unanimous. Everybody voted Glennon. Um.

1512
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: Mr Robiski comes in at thirty. I mean he doesn't

1513
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: really deserve the benefit of the doubt. It is more

1514
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: outside than those guys. But okay, at twenty nine, this

1515
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: is before Sam Donald was named the starter. Joe Flacco

1516
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: at twenty nine kind of played okay, though he's still

1517
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is not good, I know, but he can

1518
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: complete a deep ball here and there. In five games,

1519
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: he's completing fifty of his past Yeah, I mean he's

1520
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: pretty bad and at six point four yards per attempt,

1521
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's winging it down the field

1522
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm not a Flacco guy and I

1523
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: am a Donald guy, but I don't think it matters

1524
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: in terms of their win loss. They stink. At twenty eight,

1525
01:20:55,439 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: Nick mullins, No, yeah, I forgot about that. Replace yep. Yeah.

1526
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: Seven is Drew lock that's actually up a spot. I

1527
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: wonder if they don't have RG three on here. I

1528
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: guess we'll get to it. Probably not. Probably haven't adjusted

1529
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: that he's completing his past. Yeah, he throws all the

1530
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: other team a lot too. Seven touchdowns, eleven interceptions, UM down,

1531
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: two spots Carson Wentz. I was sitting there thinking, because

1532
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: Wentz plays a lot like Lock and I'm sitting there thinking,

1533
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: I wonder how rough they'll be on Wentz's the thing

1534
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: about went You watch, you watch Wentz playing, He'll make

1535
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: three three throws in every game. You're like, oh, like,

1536
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: there's not another quarterback and you can make that throw

1537
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: or that's only the only other guy that can do that,

1538
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: And then he'll make three plays. You're just like, what

1539
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: in the world was he thinking? Yeah, those three those

1540
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: last three shouldn't still be there. No, he's not a

1541
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: rookie any mind. You can blame things. I think that

1542
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: organization is more functional than people want to. Really, he's

1543
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: turned the ball were eighteen times billion. I'm I'm done

1544
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: making excuses for him because I've been in his corner

1545
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: a long time. But he makes those three plays, were like, well,

1546
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 1: you just killed the team. Yea. He he keeps it,

1547
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: he gives it. He's the thing that keeps them in

1548
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: these games, and he's the thing to get that's losing

1549
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: these games for them, Like he's the guy losing. I mean,

1550
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not in the They got to see

1551
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: what they have in Jalen hurts camp and gets ridiculous. Um.

1552
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: I heard a little buzz though that Frank Reich wouldn't

1553
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: mind throwing them a draft pick to be Rivers successor.

1554
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: I wrote one of those teams as caps phase one doesn't.

1555
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: I wrote that before there's the season, or before the

1556
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: Steelers played the Eagles, like, hey, Wentz could be available

1557
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna pick up his deal for I still

1558
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: believe in him, but I think it changed the scene

1559
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: would be great, Like he needs to get out of

1560
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: there and not he needs to be surrounded if he

1561
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: were a player surrounded by a little more talent or

1562
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: just a different environment. And I think right now he

1563
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: feels like he has to do everything. I think he

1564
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: has the Superman complex that and doesn't have. He's not

1565
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: backing it up at all, No doubt you have that

1566
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: low on the list unfortunately. Yeah. Number twenty five is

1567
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. I thought Dalton played pretty well yesterday. Yeah,

1568
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: I think he's serviceable. Yeah, they're the Zack Martin injury

1569
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 1: is gonna kill. It's their offensive lines offen it's over now.

1570
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: Their offensive lines really bad. Umwenty three Alex Smith Good.

1571
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: I thought I thought someone might give him like fifteen.

1572
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: He doesn't do He doesn't do anything that like. He's

1573
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: a caretaker. He's I'm rooting for him except for next week.

1574
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: But he does not make very many tough throws. No, right,

1575
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean everything is within ten yards in the line

1576
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. If I'm a Steelers next week, I may

1577
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: not even a making center field. I might just everybody

1578
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: in the box, everybody in the box, running backs thinking

1579
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: double team McLaurin and don't you know, and that's it.

1580
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: That's it. Make him bracket him and you know, I'd

1581
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: play a lot of zone. Actually, maybe he's gonna there,

1582
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: gonna throw all these passes to the backs in the flat.

1583
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: Well them, we'll just tackle him over and over again. Right, Uh,

1584
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill at twenty three. That's a little rich for me.

1585
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 1: I didn't think he played that great last week. He

1586
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: was right. I mean, it was predictable coverages. They played

1587
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: a lot of. Man, he knew where we knew what

1588
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: the defenses were gonna do. He didn't make great throws

1589
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: and he ran it when it wasn't there. Yeah, I

1590
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Twenty two is Daniel Jones. I might even

1591
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: have him higher. I'm kind of coming around that if

1592
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: I were the Giants GM. Unless there's an amazing quarterback

1593
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: sitting there and they're not gonna pick the top five,

1594
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: they'll probably pick eight ten. I gave him another year. Yeah, okay,

1595
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: there there. We talked about their schedule before the season started,

1596
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: how hard it was, and well, they're about to beat

1597
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: the Bengals too. Yeah, they're gonna win the division. They

1598
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: may win the division. H Baker Mayfield at twenty one,

1599
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: I'll think again, hasn't thrown a touchdown or an interception

1600
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: in the last three weeks. Hasn't done He's haven't done

1601
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: much of anything. One's will be like, but look all

1602
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: the winds he's yeah yeah, uh to a drops to

1603
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: twenty that's a little rich too. Yeah. Nothing, he's done

1604
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: nothing too, he's done. But he's got six touchdown passes

1605
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: and hasn't thrown an interception. Yeah, he got yanked out

1606
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: of his last game because you're so bad. So they're

1607
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: trying to win. Yeah, yeah, he's in the bottom half.

1608
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: Dana Jones a better quarterback too, right now. Number nineteen.

1609
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna disagree with this one. Matthew Stafford. Yeah, I

1610
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: would have him higher, but I'm an apologist. I'll admit

1611
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: he hasn't looked half as good as he did last year.

1612
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: But they played that game without Swift and Holiday, and

1613
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: I think they want to I don't say they want

1614
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: to lose. They've lost four out of five. That's a

1615
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: miserable situation, kind of banging wins for the same kind

1616
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: of kind stuff, you know, I think that's probably accurate.

1617
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: Eighteen is Cam Newton. Cam's had a much better year

1618
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: than Stafford. Yeah. I think Cam's had a better People

1619
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: realized he's only throwing four touchdown past four four that's

1620
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: in nine games. He has nine rushing touchdowns, but he's

1621
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,879
Speaker 1: throwing four times. He's throwing four touchdown passes a seven interception.

1622
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: I think their wide receivers have like three touchdown cast.

1623
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 1: It's just a terrible saying. Yeah. Uh, Seventeen is Teddy Bridgewater.

1624
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: To me, him, he and Alex Smith are the same

1625
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: guy together. One guy's better weapons. Yeah, that's really difference

1626
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: he put it. He put Teddy Bridgewater in Washington, and

1627
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: he's putting up the same numbers at Alex Smith. Is

1628
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: whoever you say next, I don't even care who it is,

1629
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: is much better than Teddy. Well now as you say

1630
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: that next is Kirk Cousins. Yeah, and I don't love Cousins.

1631
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: They're they're all in the same. He's sixteen every week.

1632
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: That's who he's. He's sixteen year that's who he is.

1633
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: He's he's an average quarterback in the league. He's he's

1634
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: now Andy Dalton, he's even Stephen. Yeah, he absolutely is.

1635
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: But that offense is good. You had a great running game. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1636
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: that helps. Fifteen is Philip Rivers. Okay, that's who he is. Yeah,

1637
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: he manages games, and I don't want him. I think

1638
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 1: he's shot. But okay, fourteen Jared Goff. That's a little

1639
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: harsh for me. That's up four spots. So I'm kind

1640
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 1: of a goff apologist lately. I didn't used to be.

1641
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: But everyone just thinks that he's this McVeigh puppet and

1642
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: he can't handle pressure. He does turn the ball over

1643
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: a little too much. He does, he doesn't run but boy,

1644
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: he'll carve people up when things were good too. Not

1645
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: everyone can say that. Yeah, but he's not a He's

1646
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: not the engine he's more of. Is um Matt Ryan

1647
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: down four spots to thirteen? He had a rough game

1648
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: last week. I bet the twelve a bobam are deserving. Yeah,

1649
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: twelve is Tom Brady down six spots that he was

1650
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: way too high at. Yeah, but you look at the numbers.

1651
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 1: A while Brady has five touchdown passes and nine interceptions

1652
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: with the ridiculous wide receivers. Ridiculous wide receivers. He can't

1653
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: complete a deep ball to save his life. I don't

1654
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: think Brady's played well. I don't either. Number eleven is

1655
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Lamar Jack Exon. I don't know where i'd put him.

1656
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: He's tough, he's tough. He is tough. That's up x

1657
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: actually up two spots after that game against the Titans

1658
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,839
Speaker 1: where he still was not completing stuff he needs to complete.

1659
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: He's completing six of his passes. But who who is

1660
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 1: he completing him too? Because it's not Hollywood Brown, not

1661
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. Right, there's not many big plays. So we've

1662
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: talked a lot of Ravens. Obviously he's he's still gonna

1663
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: rush for eight hundred yards or something that's hard to

1664
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: play against. But he's only got three rushing touchdowns this year,

1665
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: and he's got fifteen touchdown passes, so he's produced eighteen

1666
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: touchdowns as there as they're leading passer and they're leading rusher. Yeah,

1667
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't wear i'd rank them, but it wouldn't be

1668
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: any higher than that number ten Ben Roethlisberger. Like Ben's

1669
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: having much better year anymore? Yeah, I mean, it really

1670
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: isn't even comparable. Number nine is justin Herbert. I think

1671
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Ben's a quacks a better quarterback than Herbert. There's yeah,

1672
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: I agree, right, but Herbert has been remarkable. But not

1673
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: one guy ranked Roethlisberger ahead of Herbert. Herbert's three and

1674
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: seven for his numbers are crazy. And I love Herbert

1675
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: and I think he's a star, and but he hasn't

1676
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: a better year than if if if Roethlisberger, and Roethlisberger

1677
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: has more pat I get it that he's played one

1678
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: more game, yea, one more it's only one more game,

1679
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: but he has two more passing yards on the nose,

1680
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: he's got two more touchdown passed on those and one

1681
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: less interception. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, you know,

1682
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Herbert will give you a little bit running, that's great.

1683
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: But who would you rather play against right now? If

1684
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: you're an opposing defense Herbert Herbert? I mean there's a

1685
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: better chance you're gonna confuse him, right. Yeah, that just

1686
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, right, Herbert's star. Yeah, I think

1687
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: he's great, but that never gets factored in, Like, no,

1688
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: but I'm putting Herbert over Lamar. Yeah yeah, oh yeah.

1689
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: Eight is Derek Carr. I agree. He's played well. Yes,

1690
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: not as well as his brother thinks, but he's played well.

1691
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: Things and Gruden helps him a lot, But coaches help quarterbacks.

1692
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me. Um, Ryan tanney Hill at seven.

1693
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: I don't have Car over Tannehill. I might have been

1694
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: over Tannill. Here's the thing. One thing about the Car

1695
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: five fumbles lost this year. The pocket present is still

1696
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, that's a knock on Tannehill. I don't

1697
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: know what his numbers are. He's only lost one. Yeah,

1698
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: he's throwing four interceptions and one lost one fumble. Cars

1699
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: had three interceptions and five fumbles lost. Um, you know,

1700
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: he's just something. Yeah, you have to watch them. All

1701
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: will be like that. Is that on him or what?

1702
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: But that's a high number. That's the one thing Roethlisberger

1703
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: this year. Roethlisberger has not lost a fumble all year.

1704
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: He's not getting hit right. All comes out. So five interceptions, Um,

1705
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: i'd have been over Tannehill. That's it. Uh. Number six

1706
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: is Kyler Murray. That's actually down a spot. He's running

1707
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: like Lamar did last year, and he's throwing better. I'm

1708
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: cool with that. He didn't look great though, that scame.

1709
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean just as a passer, he doesn't looked great.

1710
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Yet it's coming and they got him Hopkins, He's got

1711
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got guys. He's got maybe the maybe

1712
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: the most complete set of wide receivers in the league.

1713
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: When you when you a factor Kirk into it, and

1714
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: you know all the backs catch the ball. You know

1715
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Edmonds catches the ball. Well play against him, No, I

1716
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: don't either, but he should look better. I mean, I

1717
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: think it's coming. But he's he throws the ball a

1718
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: lot better than Lamar and you know, oh yeah, he's

1719
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: better athletes. He's a better passer than's a better pastor

1720
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen at the same age. Uh, funny you

1721
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: mentioned Allen he's fifth, he's fifth. Um, I'm cool with that.

1722
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: His last game was really good again. Yeah, I mean

1723
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: he's really hot and cool. That's the problem. I mean

1724
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: his bad games are bad and he still has five

1725
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: throws a game or whoa. Yeah, he's got seven interceptions,

1726
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: he's lost four fumbles. Now he runs the ball. He

1727
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: does have two hundred seventy nine rushing yards and five

1728
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: touchdowns and he is probably ten throws ago. Yeah, I

1729
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: mean he's he's at the big arm, there's no doubt,

1730
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: but there's a high varians there. Yeah, he's kind of

1731
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: he's a souped up for whisky. That's what he's what

1732
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: your bisky could have been. He kind of you know,

1733
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe he still could be perhaps probably not. Uh number

1734
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 1: four DeShawn Watson, Okay, I'm absolutely cool with that, and

1735
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: he might have been three for me. I don't know

1736
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. I know the three R one guy police

1737
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: voted him to uh part before yesterday to part had

1738
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: him fifth, uh and then Bompieri, bum Perry and Blair

1739
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: had him fourth. So car really had him fourth because

1740
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Derek has to be ahead of he's not voting. Oh

1741
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: I think he's no, he's not voting here. Watson has

1742
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: played well, he's their whole. Yeah, they can't run the ball.

1743
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Three is Russell Wilson. Okay, the last couple of weeks

1744
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: haven't been great for him, Well the last one was,

1745
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: but he still got thirty touchdown passes. He's, you know,

1746
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: the top three, kind of staying alone. Aaron Rodgers at two,

1747
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: one guy game against Tampa. Other than that, he just

1748
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: carried the team. And and unanimous at number one is

1749
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Okay, yeah, I mean I can't argue with

1750
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: its two interceptions all year that was about say, no

1751
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: bad plays. Yeah, I mean every once in a while

1752
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: you'll see one where he but he'll make ten throws

1753
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: a game. He guys so well its people don't even

1754
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: talk about it anymore, Like wells game by my Homes.

1755
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's Rogers still does that. Roger still will

1756
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: still make throws where you go, oh, he's the only

1757
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: guy who can do that. But really, Mahomes and Rogers,

1758
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: that are the two best throwers of the football in

1759
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: the league right now. And back to our conversation, they

1760
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: attempt them, right, they'll take the shot and never even

1761
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: try it, you know, like and there's five eight the

1762
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,719
Speaker 1: game that, I mean, way more of that. Actually, Alex Smith,

1763
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater doesn't even cross the car, doesn't take that shot, right,

1764
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try that. I can't make that throw.

1765
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it a shot. I don't want it.

1766
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to possibly throw an interception right where

1767
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: those guys let it fly and still don't pay for it. Yeah,

1768
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean Roger's career remarkable like that, very accurate. And

1769
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Wilson's kind of in that mold two of TD interception

1770
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: race at ratio that one's really high and one's really low,

1771
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: and my homes is on an unbelievable career path of

1772
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, you usually get far of like you know,

1773
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 1: with one's high and the other one's high. But this

1774
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,879
Speaker 1: is much more representative of where Roethlisberger is, not fifteen

1775
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: to twenty five. We could look at that list that

1776
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: we just went down. That's every starting quarterback in the

1777
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 1: league where the twenty names are better than him, no names. No,

1778
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's ridiculous to suggest that was he nine

1779
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: on this list. He was ten, ten. Yeah, I mean

1780
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: we could haggle, yeah, okay, but he's not fifteen. He's not.

1781
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: He's not below, he's he's He's been better than Lamar

1782
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Jackson this year. He's been better than Tom Brady. He's

1783
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: been he's been better over all than Matt Ryan. Yeah,

1784
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: he's been better than Jared Goff. Yes, he's been better

1785
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: than Rivers. He's been better than Cousins. And then everyone

1786
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: below those guys are not bridge Water and Newton and

1787
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford to come on, as they're struggling, teams want

1788
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: to help them. Baker Mayfield, go on. I I mean,

1789
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: if he's twenty of on your list, guys like Mayfield

1790
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones gotta be high. Yeah, they're gonna be ahead,

1791
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 1: which is just a ridiculous suggestion. I don't care what

1792
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,719
Speaker 1: grading system you're you're doing this under. I mean, maybe

1793
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: guys like Burrow and Breeze they have above them that

1794
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: aren't playing right now, Okay, maybe maybe maybe, I mean

1795
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: at least it's not Baker. Yeah, maybe if they had

1796
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: fifty quarterbacks rank this year there, Okay, but yeah, I'm

1797
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: not I'm not buying that for a second. But well,

1798
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 1: we now know that we'll be back on Monday. We

1799
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: will break down the Steelers Ravens game a little bit

1800
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: more when we when we do come down everything else

1801
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: that happened, We have plenty to talk about with that.

1802
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Of course, the as we mentioned, the Browns playing the Jaguars.

1803
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: They should win that game. You won't want to. Yeah,

1804
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: the Bengals hosting who they playing again? Uh, Giants, the Giants. Yeah,

1805
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna get stomped. But keep an eye

1806
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: on those games. Uh, the other swing really, I mean

1807
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: the biggest game for the Steelers is that Kansas City, Kansas. Yeah,

1808
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: that's that's the four twenty five games. So that's the

1809
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: national game. Everybody here, we'll get to watch it. Titans

1810
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: Colts doesn't affect the Steelers a lot, but it's teams

1811
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: you might see the play It affects the playoff, seeing

1812
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: who you might see in the second in that in

1813
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: that divisional round, or who you might see in the

1814
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: first round if you don't get to buy. So yeah,

1815
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: that's worth watching. And of course this the Steelers already

1816
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: played the Titans. Haven't played the Colts yet. Um, but

1817
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: we'll see, we will see. It has been a very

1818
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: crazy week throwing a holiday in there as well, but

1819
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for our show today. So

1820
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: for my partner here Matt Williamson for where Jacob Direct

1821
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: here on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lally.

1822
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,280
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