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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: is Trump's terrorism, This is the Kent state of our time.

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Speaker 1: The peaceful, unarmed protester murdered by Trump's ice while Trump's

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Speaker 1: live factory and Trump personally smeared her, blamed her, made

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Speaker 1: altered images, lied about her, lied about what the Gestapo did.

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Speaker 1: The Gestapo they sent to kill Americans in American cities

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Speaker 1: in order to make videos to feed the sadistic, blood

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Speaker 1: lusting psychotics who support Trump. And if you support this,

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Speaker 1: if you support Trump, if you countenance this on our

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Speaker 1: streets against citizens or non citizens, or police or anybody,

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Speaker 1: you are a sadistic, bloodlusting psychotic. That is Donald Trump's base.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks from Saturday, it will have been ten years

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Speaker 1: since he said it. Ten years January twenty fourth, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. I could stand in the middle of

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Speaker 1: And once again his stochastic terrorist, murderous wish has come true.

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Speaker 1: Only it was not on Fifth Avenue. It was on

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Speaker 1: East thirty fourth Street in Minneapolis, one of his border Patrol,

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Speaker 1: Ice Militia gang shot and killed Renee Macklin Good, Ice

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Speaker 1: and Border Patrol, and by proxy, Trump killed her and

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Speaker 1: then they slandered her.

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Speaker 2: Oh what the fuck, dude, What the fuck is this?

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Speaker 1: Dude? You get a murder for one a poet? She

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Speaker 1: was a poet, a prize winning poet from Old Dominion University.

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Speaker 1: We are lucky her passengers survived the crash that followed

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Speaker 1: the Ice shooting. Trump and Christinome and Holman and the

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Speaker 1: rest of these worthless scumbags had Renee Good shot and

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Speaker 1: killed because militia members Trump Gestapo claimed she was trying

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Speaker 1: to run over one of their thugs. Multiple videos show,

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Speaker 1: without a shadow of a doubt this is not true.

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Speaker 1: Those who now say this having seen the video are lying.

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Speaker 1: As a car, which was not even blocking the street,

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Speaker 1: Trump terrorist exits his car, approaches the victim's car from

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Speaker 1: of her car, pivots around it, and Renee Good is

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Speaker 1: then shot three times in the face. The agents the

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Speaker 1: scum are never in any danger. The car does not

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Speaker 1: down the Minneapolis street moments later, gloating the murderer of

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Speaker 1: whom Trump had just written, quote based on the attached clip,

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Speaker 1: it is hard to believe he is alive, but is

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Speaker 1: now recovering in the hospital unquote. If it is hard

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Speaker 1: under these conditions and this fascist provocation and this madness,

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Speaker 1: this unsustainable madness that is the presidency of this psychopath Trump,

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Speaker 1: even against all that the citizens of that neighborhood had

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Speaker 1: human life to not respond to those who had just

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Speaker 1: committed murder in broad daylight on their streets, understandably getting

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Speaker 1: less attention, but just as dangerous. Hours later, this fascist

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Speaker 1: gang sent by Trump attacked a Minneapolis high school. I

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Speaker 1: will quote Minnesota Public Radio. An official from Roosevelt High

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Speaker 1: School in Minneapolis told MPR news that armed US Border

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Speaker 1: MPR News on condition of anonymity. Unquote, human garbage in masks,

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Speaker 1: given weapons, terrorists, murderers, trumpists, and if you think this

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Speaker 1: next detail is coincidental, please reconsider your naivete. Trump chose

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, after the murder there, to insist that he

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Speaker 1: has quote determined that the military budget for this country

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Speaker 1: percent to a trillion and a half. That is the

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Speaker 1: military he wants to use against American civilians on American streets.

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Speaker 1: That is the military he just used against American civilians

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Speaker 1: on American streets in Minneapolis, thirty fourth on Portland one

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Securities liar in chief, the nation's foremost botox

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Speaker 1: experiment subject already in progress, Christy nome a cheap cowboy

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Speaker 1: Said quote, it was an act of domestic terrorism. If

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Speaker 1: She did not stop there. Quote. Ice officers got stuck

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Speaker 1: An additional ICE statement UNSIGNED claimed its militia members were

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Speaker 1: A further statement by the ICE spokesperson, an idiot named

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Speaker 1: Tricia McLaughlin added quote, one of these violent rioters, there

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Speaker 1: was no riot weaponized her vehicle. That did not happen.

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Speaker 1: Attempting to run over our law enforcement officers, their street

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorism. Once again, only the final five words are

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Speaker 1: There was no attempt to push any vehicle out of snow.

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Speaker 1: was not only free of snow, it was dry. There

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Speaker 1: At best, this blithering idiot Homeland Security Director Noome the

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Speaker 1: McLaughlin is at best completely uninformed and therefore must resign.

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Speaker 1: And at where she is not being honest and must resign.

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Speaker 1: As Governor Tim Walls himself targeted metaphorically by Trump, thus

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Speaker 1: far only metaphorically. As Governor, Walls issued a warning order

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Speaker 1: whether in the next year, or in twenty twenty nine

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Speaker 1: about the terrorist government of Donald Trump, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob

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Speaker 1: Fry suppressed nothing.

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Speaker 3: I do have a message for our community, for a city,

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Speaker 3: and I have a message for Ice two.

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Speaker 1: Ice, get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not

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Speaker 3: Your stated reason for being in this city is to

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Speaker 3: the opposite. People are being hurt, Families are being ripped apart.

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Speaker 3: Long term Minneapolis residents that have contributed so greatly to

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Speaker 3: and now somebody is dead. That's on you, and it's

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Speaker 1: Mayor Fry speaks for every sane citizen of this country today,

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Speaker 1: and what he says should apply to every street corner

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Speaker 1: in this country, because what happened at thirty fourth and

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Speaker 1: Portland in Minneapolis yesterday can now happen outside your front door. Tomorrow, Ice,

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Speaker 1: Get the f out, Get the f out of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: Get the f out of Minnesota, Get the f out

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Speaker 1: for these ten years. We once thought Trump was being

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Speaker 1: metaphorical in some way about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the only thing he did not mean literally

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Speaker 1: That was no metaphor. And now Donald Trump's stochastic dreams

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Speaker 1: Trump now has his wish. The Trump administration has begun

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Speaker 1: trying to kill people in and to destroy other countries.

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Speaker 1: to Greenland and gives them our oil. That's all you need, right,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham and these other neo neo cons are ready

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Speaker 1: to effect regime change. Here have a blast, guys. You

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Speaker 1: of brill Cream Pete Hegseth got to say, the chances

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Speaker 1: anchor is almost always the peak for at least a

427
00:31:43,395 --> 00:31:49,955
Speaker 1: few years. This program is going to vanish quickly. The

428
00:31:50,035 --> 00:31:54,795
Speaker 1: second episode Tuesday, featured a lighthearted feature on our Secretary

429
00:31:54,835 --> 00:31:59,315
Speaker 1: of State, introduced with da Coppel saying Marco Rubio, we

430
00:31:59,475 --> 00:32:03,795
Speaker 1: salute you. And of course this was all preceded by

431
00:32:03,835 --> 00:32:06,635
Speaker 1: the worst rollout video in the history of television, in

432
00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:10,395
Speaker 1: which Dacoppel trashed the memory of Walter Cronkite, implying the

433
00:32:10,435 --> 00:32:14,675
Speaker 1: CBS Evening News then wasn't as transparent as the CBS

434
00:32:14,675 --> 00:32:18,675
Speaker 1: News with Tony Ducoppel is. And I'm guessing he spit

435
00:32:18,795 --> 00:32:22,195
Speaker 1: on Cronkite's grave because the CBS Evening News was never

436
00:32:22,235 --> 00:32:28,115
Speaker 1: actually anchored by Edward R. Murrow. He wasn't as transparent

437
00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:31,555
Speaker 1: as I am. You know, transparent can also mean we

438
00:32:31,555 --> 00:32:35,515
Speaker 1: can see right through your pal. Anyway, the flaw in

439
00:32:35,555 --> 00:32:38,155
Speaker 1: the plan is pretty obvious. The show has been reimagined

440
00:32:38,315 --> 00:32:42,235
Speaker 1: as a really stupid Maga friendly half hour newscast featuring

441
00:32:42,275 --> 00:32:46,275
Speaker 1: anchors and reporters. Maga has been brainwashed for forty years

442
00:32:46,315 --> 00:32:51,595
Speaker 1: to hate MAGA. Won't watch this. Barry Weiss could come

443
00:32:51,595 --> 00:32:54,155
Speaker 1: on and do a strip tease every night. Maga won't

444
00:32:54,155 --> 00:32:58,595
Speaker 1: watch this any incumbent CBS audience, and they were not

445
00:32:58,795 --> 00:33:01,355
Speaker 1: just last, they were really last in the ratings. They

446
00:33:01,395 --> 00:33:04,755
Speaker 1: won't watch it either, And Dacoppel doesn't seem to know

447
00:33:04,755 --> 00:33:06,435
Speaker 1: how to get out of the way of such a

448
00:33:06,515 --> 00:33:09,035
Speaker 1: terrible game plan. I once did a show for ESPN

449
00:33:09,115 --> 00:33:13,595
Speaker 1: called ESPN two Sports Night, which had eighteen coordinating producers

450
00:33:13,795 --> 00:33:15,835
Speaker 1: and not one of them had the same idea for

451
00:33:15,875 --> 00:33:17,875
Speaker 1: what the show should be like. And it was dead

452
00:33:17,875 --> 00:33:20,595
Speaker 1: on arrival too. And other than a couple of self

453
00:33:20,635 --> 00:33:25,115
Speaker 1: deprecating jokes, we the anchors, Mitch Album and Susie Calber

454
00:33:25,155 --> 00:33:27,395
Speaker 1: and me, we just went out there and did the show.

455
00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:30,915
Speaker 1: Stu Scott and Bill Pedo, a couple of other people

456
00:33:30,915 --> 00:33:35,035
Speaker 1: involved in the show every night, Deb Kaufman, and we

457
00:33:35,115 --> 00:33:37,475
Speaker 1: just did the show. And we never claimed it was

458
00:33:37,475 --> 00:33:39,635
Speaker 1: the greatest thing ever. We just tried to survive it.

459
00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:42,555
Speaker 1: Tony de Koppel does not seem to be trying to

460
00:33:42,555 --> 00:33:46,835
Speaker 1: survive this. Were this the old CBS, the shelf life

461
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:51,515
Speaker 1: on Tony would be exactly until carry the one Thursday

462
00:33:51,555 --> 00:33:55,555
Speaker 1: February fifth in nineteen eighty six in Los Angeles, when

463
00:33:55,595 --> 00:33:59,595
Speaker 1: I was working at another station in La KTLA KCBS,

464
00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:03,875
Speaker 1: the CBS newscast in the second largest market in the country,

465
00:34:04,035 --> 00:34:07,595
Speaker 1: introduced a revolutionary news format that it was supposed to

466
00:34:07,635 --> 00:34:11,555
Speaker 1: be a template for every newscast on every CBS station

467
00:34:11,635 --> 00:34:17,635
Speaker 1: in the country. Or On September fifteenth, KCBS replaced its

468
00:34:17,635 --> 00:34:20,795
Speaker 1: regular old local news thing. Here's the four o'clock news

469
00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:23,635
Speaker 1: with this couple, da d d d d da uh.

470
00:34:23,755 --> 00:34:26,195
Speaker 1: Then the five o'clock News with this couple da dun

471
00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:29,195
Speaker 1: dun dunda dunda. Then the six o'clock News with this couple.

472
00:34:29,955 --> 00:34:36,595
Speaker 1: Did it with the news wheel. The news wheel. It

473
00:34:36,675 --> 00:34:40,115
Speaker 1: was a series of twenty minute segments over two and

474
00:34:40,115 --> 00:34:44,515
Speaker 1: a half hours, anchored generally by one newsperson, although I

475
00:34:44,555 --> 00:34:47,035
Speaker 1: think they did twenty minutes of hard news at the

476
00:34:47,035 --> 00:34:50,595
Speaker 1: top of the hour at four and five. Anyway, these

477
00:34:50,595 --> 00:34:53,435
Speaker 1: were all sort of wacky segments. One was twenty minutes

478
00:34:53,515 --> 00:34:57,475
Speaker 1: remote with the weatherman called California Living. I think there

479
00:34:57,515 --> 00:35:00,835
Speaker 1: was a Hollywood only segment twenty minutes all showbiz stuff.

480
00:35:01,235 --> 00:35:05,835
Speaker 1: There was also the newswheel also had an actual an

481
00:35:05,915 --> 00:35:09,555
Speaker 1: actual wheel. There was an actual newswheel. The set had

482
00:35:09,595 --> 00:35:13,435
Speaker 1: been redesigned at great cost to be turned into a

483
00:35:13,555 --> 00:35:17,995
Speaker 1: lazy Susan with a motor and desks on it, many desks,

484
00:35:18,075 --> 00:35:21,115
Speaker 1: many sets. The first twenty minutes would end, the newscasters

485
00:35:21,155 --> 00:35:24,035
Speaker 1: would get the hell off the news wheel. The business

486
00:35:24,035 --> 00:35:26,435
Speaker 1: guy or whoever would go on to the news wheel,

487
00:35:26,595 --> 00:35:29,595
Speaker 1: and then the thing would move. They'd throw a switch

488
00:35:29,635 --> 00:35:33,435
Speaker 1: and the thing would rotate like Hanks look Around Cafe

489
00:35:33,635 --> 00:35:37,075
Speaker 1: and the Larry Sanders Show, and it would reveal another

490
00:35:37,195 --> 00:35:40,275
Speaker 1: set while the first four to four to twenty newscast

491
00:35:40,275 --> 00:35:43,795
Speaker 1: set disappeared in the background. Then at four forty it

492
00:35:43,795 --> 00:35:46,835
Speaker 1: would rotate again, and God help you if you didn't

493
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:52,755
Speaker 1: get off the wheel fast enough. This didn't go over well.

494
00:35:53,355 --> 00:35:56,715
Speaker 1: People still watched and cared about local news in nineteen

495
00:35:56,755 --> 00:36:00,155
Speaker 1: eighty six, and there was only Whit'd say, six articles

496
00:36:00,195 --> 00:36:02,635
Speaker 1: a day in the Los Angeles Times for the following

497
00:36:02,715 --> 00:36:06,555
Speaker 1: four weeks. The news director, a future friend of mine

498
00:36:06,635 --> 00:36:10,955
Speaker 1: named Eric Sorenson, resigned, I think on day twenty eight.

499
00:36:11,755 --> 00:36:14,755
Speaker 1: The general manager of the station was fired the next Monday.

500
00:36:15,515 --> 00:36:18,875
Speaker 1: The newswheel was scrapped two days later, one month and

501
00:36:18,995 --> 00:36:22,955
Speaker 1: one day after it had been launched. We tried to

502
00:36:23,035 --> 00:36:26,675
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheel. In fact, they got rid of it

503
00:36:26,715 --> 00:36:29,875
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. Didn't even wait till the start of

504
00:36:29,915 --> 00:36:32,195
Speaker 1: the week gone by, and Bye Felicia. They didn't even

505
00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:36,395
Speaker 1: change the set, They just switched off the motor. When

506
00:36:36,395 --> 00:36:39,395
Speaker 1: I went to work at KCBS two years ago, and

507
00:36:39,475 --> 00:36:42,195
Speaker 1: by the way, news director Sorenson had been rehired in

508
00:36:42,235 --> 00:36:44,475
Speaker 1: the interim, and he gave me seven times what I

509
00:36:44,515 --> 00:36:48,075
Speaker 1: was making at KTLA, So I'll always defend the newswheel.

510
00:36:48,755 --> 00:36:51,235
Speaker 1: The old newswheel was still there two years later, and

511
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:53,755
Speaker 1: I asked if the old weatherman from California living was

512
00:36:54,235 --> 00:36:57,635
Speaker 1: you know, actually fired the way they told the story,

513
00:36:57,715 --> 00:36:59,995
Speaker 1: or if he was just stuck in the back part

514
00:37:00,075 --> 00:37:02,835
Speaker 1: that we couldn't really see anymore. How do you feed

515
00:37:02,915 --> 00:37:07,835
Speaker 1: him back there? So in the old days at CBS,

516
00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:10,715
Speaker 1: the CBS Evening News with Tony du Copple would have

517
00:37:10,755 --> 00:37:16,995
Speaker 1: lasted until February fifth. Who knows about now They may

518
00:37:17,195 --> 00:37:21,475
Speaker 1: like this. I've never met Tony ducoppel, but I am

519
00:37:21,515 --> 00:37:24,795
Speaker 1: assured he hates me. I take this assurance from his

520
00:37:24,875 --> 00:37:29,035
Speaker 1: then girlfriend now wife, Katie Terr, who told me this

521
00:37:29,275 --> 00:37:35,195
Speaker 1: repeatedly while we were still talking Michael's senior Elli, excuse me,

522
00:37:35,235 --> 00:37:38,475
Speaker 1: who really did post on threads asking what da Coppel's

523
00:37:38,515 --> 00:37:42,275
Speaker 1: willingness to collaborate with the Maga thing says about Katie

524
00:37:42,315 --> 00:37:45,835
Speaker 1: Urr on MS NOW, and somebody answered, quote what Keith

525
00:37:45,835 --> 00:37:49,035
Speaker 1: Alderman has been saying for years, to which I replied,

526
00:37:49,755 --> 00:37:53,435
Speaker 1: Gabby Olderman is right. And then somebody else said I

527
00:37:53,555 --> 00:37:57,435
Speaker 1: had awful taste in women, and I replied, you bet

528
00:37:57,475 --> 00:38:01,675
Speaker 1: I do. Back to the point, there are two things

529
00:38:01,715 --> 00:38:04,115
Speaker 1: I think you may not know about Tony Ducoppyle. One

530
00:38:04,235 --> 00:38:06,595
Speaker 1: is he has two children who live in Israel, which

531
00:38:06,635 --> 00:38:11,635
Speaker 1: is not only fine, it's also who cares? You can

532
00:38:11,675 --> 00:38:15,875
Speaker 1: have kids of seventeen different faiths in seventeen different countries.

533
00:38:16,075 --> 00:38:19,315
Speaker 1: What's the difference provided it doesn't impact what goes into

534
00:38:19,355 --> 00:38:22,155
Speaker 1: your newscast. I mean, the CBS Evening News used to

535
00:38:22,155 --> 00:38:25,435
Speaker 1: be guest hosted by Charles Karalt, and I believe Charles

536
00:38:25,515 --> 00:38:29,075
Speaker 1: Karlt was the one who had like an extra wife somewhere,

537
00:38:29,115 --> 00:38:32,115
Speaker 1: a second life. When he would go on vacation to

538
00:38:32,195 --> 00:38:35,475
Speaker 1: go on the road, it was with the different missus

539
00:38:35,515 --> 00:38:38,115
Speaker 1: Karlt than the one who lived at home. I mean,

540
00:38:38,155 --> 00:38:42,355
Speaker 1: these things don't really matters unless you don't mention it,

541
00:38:42,675 --> 00:38:47,195
Speaker 1: or if it affects the newscast. But if he was

542
00:38:47,275 --> 00:38:49,955
Speaker 1: hand picked by Barry Weiss, who was obsessed with trying

543
00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:53,155
Speaker 1: to stamp out even both sides, this coverage of Israel,

544
00:38:53,475 --> 00:38:55,955
Speaker 1: and you don't work some kind of disclaimer in there,

545
00:38:56,235 --> 00:39:00,195
Speaker 1: just once, just once about well he has family in Israel,

546
00:39:00,275 --> 00:39:03,435
Speaker 1: that's it. If you don't do that, though, why are

547
00:39:03,475 --> 00:39:05,955
Speaker 1: you not doing that? You're in ethical trouble. As it is,

548
00:39:07,635 --> 00:39:10,515
Speaker 1: especially Gibbon that it was the backlash against Jacopole's harsh

549
00:39:10,595 --> 00:39:14,995
Speaker 1: interview of Tanahause Coats that started the process that ended

550
00:39:14,995 --> 00:39:18,995
Speaker 1: with Dacopyl anchoring the CBS Eating News until February fifth.

551
00:39:19,155 --> 00:39:22,195
Speaker 1: CBS reprimanded him over how he had treated Coates on

552
00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:26,035
Speaker 1: the Palestine Israel part of Coates's book. CBS's owner at

553
00:39:26,075 --> 00:39:30,115
Speaker 1: the time then reprimanded her newspeople and hinted at anti Semitism.

554
00:39:30,435 --> 00:39:33,555
Speaker 1: She then sold CBS to the Ellisons, who hired Barry

555
00:39:33,555 --> 00:39:38,075
Speaker 1: Weiss and now bingo Tony Diacoppel is the anchor. Pro

556
00:39:38,195 --> 00:39:40,795
Speaker 1: tip if you want to do something after this other

557
00:39:40,835 --> 00:39:46,035
Speaker 1: than maybe at Fox News, Tony quit now, apologize and

558
00:39:46,115 --> 00:39:49,355
Speaker 1: quit right now. This is not going to get better.

559
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:54,355
Speaker 1: It might as mister senior Ellie's post suggests it might

560
00:39:54,395 --> 00:39:57,835
Speaker 1: begin to erode Katie's career too, and she's done enough

561
00:39:57,835 --> 00:40:00,715
Speaker 1: to erode it as it is. Plus there's the other

562
00:40:00,755 --> 00:40:03,035
Speaker 1: thing you may not know about. I will never shake

563
00:40:03,155 --> 00:40:06,595
Speaker 1: my conviction that they are married because of her first book,

564
00:40:07,155 --> 00:40:10,515
Speaker 1: because she was desperate to get a ghostwriter for it,

565
00:40:10,875 --> 00:40:15,155
Speaker 1: and I have that from her. They were dating. She

566
00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:18,075
Speaker 1: and I were still talking like eight years after I

567
00:40:18,115 --> 00:40:20,595
Speaker 1: had asked her to move out of my house, and

568
00:40:20,635 --> 00:40:23,435
Speaker 1: she said she liked him, but she didn't think he

569
00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:26,275
Speaker 1: was like long term material and he had these other

570
00:40:26,435 --> 00:40:34,995
Speaker 1: kids and anyway, on January twenty second, twenty seventeen, Katie

571
00:40:35,155 --> 00:40:40,235
Speaker 1: Urr of MSNBC asked me to write her trump book

572
00:40:40,435 --> 00:40:46,315
Speaker 1: for her. She was serious, and there are receipts. I'll

573
00:40:46,315 --> 00:40:51,475
Speaker 1: get back to the bookstory, but first, Since last spring,

574
00:40:51,675 --> 00:40:54,075
Speaker 1: when her second book came out, I have read story

575
00:40:54,115 --> 00:40:57,075
Speaker 1: after story that boiled down to one of the headlines

576
00:40:57,075 --> 00:41:00,315
Speaker 1: I read that was Katie Terr's relationship with Keith Alderman

577
00:41:00,755 --> 00:41:05,515
Speaker 1: haunted her. Now the articles have not been over negative,

578
00:41:05,955 --> 00:41:09,595
Speaker 1: except in a passive aggressive sense, although try out that

579
00:41:09,715 --> 00:41:11,675
Speaker 1: headline on yourself there and see if you like to

580
00:41:11,675 --> 00:41:14,875
Speaker 1: be described as haunting someone, but she wrote a book

581
00:41:14,955 --> 00:41:18,875
Speaker 1: claiming that many experiences, somehow, including the time she lived

582
00:41:18,875 --> 00:41:24,235
Speaker 1: with me, hurt and slowed and limited her career. So

583
00:41:24,395 --> 00:41:26,755
Speaker 1: all this time, I have remained silent about the nearly

584
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:29,435
Speaker 1: three years she and I lived together and the eight

585
00:41:29,515 --> 00:41:31,955
Speaker 1: years after that, during which I remained her good and

586
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:34,875
Speaker 1: loyal friend. And I have remained silent even though the

587
00:41:34,955 --> 00:41:37,675
Speaker 1: day she moved into my place in New York, she

588
00:41:37,795 --> 00:41:40,395
Speaker 1: expected a New York TV station would hire her with

589
00:41:40,475 --> 00:41:44,195
Speaker 1: no experience and no audition tape. And I have remained

590
00:41:44,235 --> 00:41:47,515
Speaker 1: silent about how her father, whom she has never stopped trashing,

591
00:41:48,035 --> 00:41:50,795
Speaker 1: sent her ten thousand dollars worth of cameras and editing

592
00:41:50,795 --> 00:41:53,795
Speaker 1: equipment to help her get started. And I have remained

593
00:41:53,835 --> 00:41:55,915
Speaker 1: silent about how I pushed her to not just sit

594
00:41:55,955 --> 00:41:58,675
Speaker 1: there staring at all that equipment her dad sent, but

595
00:41:58,795 --> 00:42:01,475
Speaker 1: to use it to go cover stories so she could

596
00:42:01,515 --> 00:42:04,075
Speaker 1: at least make a tape. And I have remained silent

597
00:42:04,115 --> 00:42:06,235
Speaker 1: even though one she didn't like something I told her,

598
00:42:06,235 --> 00:42:08,995
Speaker 1: and she immediately said she was thinking of calling the

599
00:42:09,075 --> 00:42:12,675
Speaker 1: New York Post gossip page and telling them terrible things

600
00:42:12,715 --> 00:42:16,195
Speaker 1: about me. And I have remained silent that after I

601
00:42:16,275 --> 00:42:19,315
Speaker 1: asked her to move out, I paid her rent at

602
00:42:19,355 --> 00:42:22,635
Speaker 1: a new apartment for a year so she could keep

603
00:42:22,675 --> 00:42:25,675
Speaker 1: working and living in New York. And I have remained silent,

604
00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:27,795
Speaker 1: even though I paid off her college loans, and when

605
00:42:27,835 --> 00:42:30,275
Speaker 1: she complained that every time you googled her name, you've

606
00:42:30,355 --> 00:42:32,715
Speaker 1: also got my name, I loaned her the money to

607
00:42:32,795 --> 00:42:36,115
Speaker 1: hire a company that altered her Google results. And I

608
00:42:36,155 --> 00:42:38,555
Speaker 1: have remained silent, even though I introduced her to her

609
00:42:38,595 --> 00:42:41,075
Speaker 1: first agent and to all the people who hired her

610
00:42:41,115 --> 00:42:45,475
Speaker 1: at News twelve and WPIX and WNBC and NBC News.

611
00:42:46,275 --> 00:42:48,795
Speaker 1: And I have remained silent even though when she happened

612
00:42:48,835 --> 00:42:52,515
Speaker 1: to be assigned to Trump's campaign announcement and Trump knew

613
00:42:52,515 --> 00:42:55,235
Speaker 1: who she was because when we lived together, it was

614
00:42:55,275 --> 00:42:57,915
Speaker 1: in one of these Trump buildings here and she got

615
00:42:57,955 --> 00:43:01,075
Speaker 1: to do the last great actual interview with him, and

616
00:43:01,235 --> 00:43:03,875
Speaker 1: NBC promptly offered her the chance to be its reporter

617
00:43:03,955 --> 00:43:07,035
Speaker 1: on his campaign. She called me and said, no, I'm

618
00:43:07,035 --> 00:43:09,155
Speaker 1: going back to London. I don't like politics. You know

619
00:43:09,275 --> 00:43:11,555
Speaker 1: that I was the one who told her she was

620
00:43:11,635 --> 00:43:15,595
Speaker 1: nuts and this wasn't politics, it was dark, terrible history

621
00:43:15,635 --> 00:43:19,995
Speaker 1: in progress. And she sighed and said fine, okay, send

622
00:43:19,995 --> 00:43:23,355
Speaker 1: me some books about it. And I have remained silent,

623
00:43:23,435 --> 00:43:25,555
Speaker 1: even though she sent me nearly all of her scripts

624
00:43:26,035 --> 00:43:29,995
Speaker 1: for her NBC news stories, including her Trump campaign coverage

625
00:43:29,995 --> 00:43:33,675
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and I edited nearly every one of them,

626
00:43:33,875 --> 00:43:36,795
Speaker 1: and several times I had to completely rewrite them for her.

627
00:43:37,755 --> 00:43:39,835
Speaker 1: And I have remained silent even though when her father

628
00:43:39,835 --> 00:43:42,875
Speaker 1: announced he was transitioning, the friend she called up in

629
00:43:42,955 --> 00:43:46,315
Speaker 1: hysterics was me, and I have remained silent even though

630
00:43:46,355 --> 00:43:49,355
Speaker 1: she twice lied to reporters and editors at the New

631
00:43:49,435 --> 00:43:52,355
Speaker 1: York Times and The Washington Post, telling them she had

632
00:43:52,395 --> 00:43:54,995
Speaker 1: asked me on their behalf to do interviews with them

633
00:43:55,035 --> 00:43:57,875
Speaker 1: about her. And I have remained silent even though she

634
00:43:57,915 --> 00:44:00,555
Speaker 1: lied to them that I had declined the interviews. And

635
00:44:00,635 --> 00:44:03,035
Speaker 1: I have remained silent even those six days after my

636
00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:06,035
Speaker 1: emergency appendectomy in two thou thousand and seven, she started

637
00:44:06,075 --> 00:44:09,795
Speaker 1: punching and slapping me with real intent to do harm

638
00:44:10,075 --> 00:44:13,155
Speaker 1: because the living room wasn't clean enough in our place,

639
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Speaker 1: And how exactly do you even try to defend yourself

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Speaker 1: against a woman one hundred and twenty five pounds lighter

641
00:44:19,195 --> 00:44:23,955
Speaker 1: and a foot shorter than you, so yesterday, I'm reading

642
00:44:23,995 --> 00:44:26,555
Speaker 1: stories about her husband getting a massectomy, and I'm sitting

643
00:44:26,595 --> 00:44:29,955
Speaker 1: there waiting to see how she managed to make this

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00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:36,355
Speaker 1: one my fault. When Katie's first book came out, she

645
00:44:36,475 --> 00:44:42,035
Speaker 1: reduced our entire history to a throwaway anecdote defending Kelly

646
00:44:42,075 --> 00:44:46,035
Speaker 1: Ann Conway. The story described me as somebody she had

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Speaker 1: dated briefly in her twenties. After the book came out,

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00:44:49,835 --> 00:44:52,555
Speaker 1: and frankly and calmly, I don't know for certain who

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00:44:52,795 --> 00:44:55,435
Speaker 1: wrote her first book. I mean, people who can't write

650
00:44:56,035 --> 00:44:59,435
Speaker 1: suddenly can find their muse. It's possible she wrote it

651
00:44:59,955 --> 00:45:03,195
Speaker 1: and her other books too. But after the first book

652
00:45:03,275 --> 00:45:05,795
Speaker 1: came out that dismissed three years years of our shared

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00:45:05,835 --> 00:45:08,715
Speaker 1: life as dating briefly in her twenties. I told her

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00:45:08,715 --> 00:45:10,915
Speaker 1: she had been awful to me, and she replied, I'm sorry.

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00:45:10,915 --> 00:45:13,115
Speaker 1: You're right. I'm a terrible person, and it is the

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00:45:13,155 --> 00:45:15,355
Speaker 1: last thing we ever discussed. I told her I would

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00:45:15,395 --> 00:45:17,795
Speaker 1: not communicate with her again, and I have not, nor

658
00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:21,915
Speaker 1: have I spoken about her publicly. But I do keep

659
00:45:21,955 --> 00:45:25,595
Speaker 1: wondering about that book. I still have a text from

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Speaker 1: her from nine to fourteen PM on December eleventh, twenty sixteen,

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00:45:29,715 --> 00:45:32,435
Speaker 1: after she had signed her contract for her book, which

662
00:45:32,475 --> 00:45:38,235
Speaker 1: became unbelievable an ironic title It reads, do you still

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00:45:38,275 --> 00:45:41,595
Speaker 1: want to share your Trump doc with me? Doc? Here?

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Speaker 1: Meaning my trove of documents, my hundreds of pages of

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Speaker 1: Trump notes that I had kept for use in my

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00:45:47,835 --> 00:45:51,075
Speaker 1: GQ video series. And I joked back, sure, how much?

667
00:45:51,275 --> 00:45:54,435
Speaker 1: And she joked back ten twenty dollars and I emailed

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Speaker 1: it all to her for free that night, with only

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Speaker 1: one request, don't leave me out of your acknowledgments in

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Speaker 1: the book. And guess what, she left me out of

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Speaker 1: the acknowledgments in the book too. More than a month later,

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Speaker 1: at two thirty five pm on Sunday, January twenty second,

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00:46:09,115 --> 00:46:11,675
Speaker 1: I had just returned home from Los Angeles and doing

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Speaker 1: Bill Maher's show, and Katie Turr texted me about why

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00:46:14,555 --> 00:46:18,435
Speaker 1: they had never invited her on, and then she switched

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Speaker 1: topics to ask, quote, want to write this book. I

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00:46:22,675 --> 00:46:24,915
Speaker 1: had taken a nap, so it was not until five

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00:46:25,115 --> 00:46:28,355
Speaker 1: thirty two that I replied, what, Well, you're not serious,

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00:46:28,355 --> 00:46:32,075
Speaker 1: how would that work? That's when she phoned. She was

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00:46:32,075 --> 00:46:34,555
Speaker 1: about to give the advanced money back to the publisher.

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00:46:34,675 --> 00:46:37,075
Speaker 1: She said, I can't write a book. I'm like fifty

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00:46:37,115 --> 00:46:39,355
Speaker 1: thousand words short and it's terrible. I'll give you half

683
00:46:39,395 --> 00:46:40,955
Speaker 1: the money. I'll give you more than half the money.

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00:46:42,635 --> 00:46:44,755
Speaker 1: I pointed out to her that I had written or

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00:46:44,795 --> 00:46:48,395
Speaker 1: rewritten dozens of her stories for NBC News and MSNBC,

686
00:46:48,555 --> 00:46:50,675
Speaker 1: and it was not a question of money. It was

687
00:46:50,715 --> 00:46:53,835
Speaker 1: a question of what we could get away with no

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00:46:54,115 --> 00:46:57,795
Speaker 1: viewer and maybe only one executive in a million whatever.

689
00:46:57,955 --> 00:47:01,915
Speaker 1: Notice that one sentence or one paragraph of script in

690
00:47:01,955 --> 00:47:06,435
Speaker 1: her two minute report was actually written by me. First

691
00:47:06,475 --> 00:47:09,195
Speaker 1: of all, she was the one saying it each time

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00:47:09,275 --> 00:47:11,635
Speaker 1: I wrote or re wrote in her name for NBC.

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00:47:12,155 --> 00:47:15,875
Speaker 1: It was a fireable offense for her, but one that

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00:47:15,915 --> 00:47:18,755
Speaker 1: nobody would ever think to look for, even though there

695
00:47:18,835 --> 00:47:23,395
Speaker 1: is necessarily an email trail ten miles long. But writing

696
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Speaker 1: a book for her about Trump in my writing style,

697
00:47:28,675 --> 00:47:32,835
Speaker 1: not read aloud by her, but in print. I have

698
00:47:32,915 --> 00:47:36,315
Speaker 1: a pretty distinct writing style which I don't think I

699
00:47:36,355 --> 00:47:39,635
Speaker 1: could ever sufficiently hide for more than about seventeen words

700
00:47:39,635 --> 00:47:45,075
Speaker 1: at a stretch. Somebody would notice. Her publisher might cancel

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00:47:45,115 --> 00:47:47,435
Speaker 1: it or even sue, or if it got published, NBC

702
00:47:47,635 --> 00:47:50,755
Speaker 1: might notice it and fire her. It was not just

703
00:47:50,795 --> 00:47:54,275
Speaker 1: a bad idea for her, and very dubious ethically, but

704
00:47:54,315 --> 00:47:57,595
Speaker 1: it stood an excellent chance of destroying her career and

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00:47:57,675 --> 00:48:01,715
Speaker 1: damaging mine. Maybe. She said, Okay, you're right, And she

706
00:48:01,795 --> 00:48:03,155
Speaker 1: told me she was going to talk it over with

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00:48:03,155 --> 00:48:05,755
Speaker 1: her boyfriend Tony from CBM that night, and her thought

708
00:48:05,835 --> 00:48:07,715
Speaker 1: was to give back the advance and cancel the book.

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00:48:07,755 --> 00:48:11,835
Speaker 1: And I said, ghostwriter maybe, And she said like who?

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00:48:11,995 --> 00:48:14,835
Speaker 1: And I said I had no idea. I tried to

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00:48:14,955 --> 00:48:18,235
Speaker 1: joke her out of these grim prospects by reminding her

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00:48:18,275 --> 00:48:20,515
Speaker 1: that at least for the several thousand dollars worth of

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00:48:20,515 --> 00:48:22,835
Speaker 1: research I gave her, I had cut the price to

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00:48:22,955 --> 00:48:27,235
Speaker 1: no dollars and no cents. And anyway, the next thing

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00:48:27,275 --> 00:48:30,155
Speaker 1: I knew the book was published. There isn't a paragraph

716
00:48:30,235 --> 00:48:31,915
Speaker 1: of it that reads like the rest of her writing.

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00:48:32,635 --> 00:48:34,675
Speaker 1: And I get reduced in it from the guy she

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00:48:34,835 --> 00:48:37,675
Speaker 1: lived with for three years who started her career, to

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Speaker 1: somebody she dated briefly in her twenties, and the dark

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00:48:41,235 --> 00:48:45,755
Speaker 1: half of an anecdote defending Kelly Ann freaking con job.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I think the things I glossed over

722
00:48:51,435 --> 00:48:53,635
Speaker 1: before about the New York Times and Washington Post were

723
00:48:53,675 --> 00:48:58,395
Speaker 1: genuinely deplorable the thing about the Post. First, a Washington

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Speaker 1: Post reporter i'd known for more than a decade named

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00:49:00,795 --> 00:49:03,595
Speaker 1: Paul Farhee called me up and asked me to do

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00:49:03,675 --> 00:49:06,115
Speaker 1: an interview with him about Katie, and I had my doubts.

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00:49:06,515 --> 00:49:09,075
Speaker 1: As I said to Paul, this is at least a

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00:49:09,115 --> 00:49:12,475
Speaker 1: little sexist. When I broke through at MSNBC in nineteen

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00:49:12,555 --> 00:49:14,675
Speaker 1: ninety eight, nobody called up one of my ex girlfriends,

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Speaker 1: even the ones in the business, to ask one of

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00:49:17,715 --> 00:49:22,635
Speaker 1: them about me. This was an unfair gradient for her,

732
00:49:22,835 --> 00:49:24,755
Speaker 1: or any woman, that the first thing a reporter or

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Speaker 1: just somebody googling her brought up or found was her

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00:49:27,355 --> 00:49:31,955
Speaker 1: boyfriend or ex boyfriend, especially me. It is utter misogyny.

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00:49:31,995 --> 00:49:35,075
Speaker 1: In fact, on the other hand, there could be a

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00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:37,355
Speaker 1: calculation in which it is useful to Katie if I

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00:49:37,395 --> 00:49:40,875
Speaker 1: do the interview and amplify the publicity. It is also

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00:49:40,955 --> 00:49:43,795
Speaker 1: one of the things I had warned her about literally

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00:49:43,915 --> 00:49:47,355
Speaker 1: the day we started dating, and in fact I reminded

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00:49:47,395 --> 00:49:50,115
Speaker 1: her of it the night of the first real date

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Speaker 1: at an Al Gore book event at the Museum of

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00:49:53,475 --> 00:49:57,755
Speaker 1: Natural History in New York in the whale Room. Sure enough,

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00:49:57,795 --> 00:50:00,075
Speaker 1: I went from the whale room to the men's room

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00:50:00,155 --> 00:50:02,795
Speaker 1: for a moment. While I was out, an online gossip

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00:50:02,835 --> 00:50:05,835
Speaker 1: clown who had been followed showing us around went over

746
00:50:05,955 --> 00:50:08,315
Speaker 1: and pretended he knew her or something. And when I

747
00:50:08,315 --> 00:50:10,515
Speaker 1: got back, she was bubbling over telling me she'd met

748
00:50:10,555 --> 00:50:12,955
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend and told him all about us.

749
00:50:12,995 --> 00:50:15,435
Speaker 1: And I asked if she had remembered my warning, and

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00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:19,715
Speaker 1: she obviously had not. And quote Katie Turr, new girlfriend

751
00:50:19,795 --> 00:50:24,915
Speaker 1: of Keith Olderman, was online before we got home, so

752
00:50:25,035 --> 00:50:27,475
Speaker 1: when she found there was a way to scrub your

753
00:50:27,515 --> 00:50:30,355
Speaker 1: Google searches, so every time somebody plugged in her name,

754
00:50:30,355 --> 00:50:33,315
Speaker 1: they would not also get Keith Alderman's girlfriend or Keith

755
00:50:33,315 --> 00:50:36,355
Speaker 1: Olderman's ex girlfriend. As I said, I helped her pay

756
00:50:36,435 --> 00:50:41,515
Speaker 1: to use that service. I get it. The sexism prevails.

757
00:50:41,955 --> 00:50:47,355
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll go away someday, maybe it won't. So anyway,

758
00:50:47,395 --> 00:50:49,235
Speaker 1: when far He of the Post called me up, I

759
00:50:49,315 --> 00:50:53,075
Speaker 1: called Katie. She said she thought it was sexist and anyway,

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00:50:53,155 --> 00:50:56,195
Speaker 1: she wasn't participating with the Post's story on her, and

761
00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:58,755
Speaker 1: it would really help if I did not do so either,

762
00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:03,035
Speaker 1: So I declined the interview, and a week later there

763
00:51:03,035 --> 00:51:05,115
Speaker 1: in the Washington Post was a big feature Katie to

764
00:51:05,155 --> 00:51:09,395
Speaker 1: her because guess what, she did participate with it after all,

765
00:51:09,795 --> 00:51:14,035
Speaker 1: complete interview. And worse yet, she told Farhee that she

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00:51:14,115 --> 00:51:16,595
Speaker 1: had encouraged me to do the interview with him. So

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00:51:16,635 --> 00:51:18,515
Speaker 1: he put it in the paper that I declined to

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00:51:18,515 --> 00:51:20,995
Speaker 1: be interviewed, so I looked like an idiot. And another thing,

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad. Please don't put in the newspaper that

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00:51:23,235 --> 00:51:27,875
Speaker 1: I got mad. I called her up and I yelled

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00:51:27,915 --> 00:51:30,675
Speaker 1: at her, and she apologized, and she promised she would

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00:51:30,675 --> 00:51:33,795
Speaker 1: not do anything like that ever again, and then she

773
00:51:33,875 --> 00:51:36,875
Speaker 1: promptly did something even worse. A month or two later,

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00:51:37,555 --> 00:51:40,875
Speaker 1: the New York Times article comes out. It is a

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00:51:41,035 --> 00:51:44,795
Speaker 1: huge profile of her, I think, in the magazine or

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00:51:44,835 --> 00:51:49,315
Speaker 1: a weekend edition, and in it mister Olberman refused to

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00:51:49,355 --> 00:51:53,115
Speaker 1: be interviewed for this story. This is a complete surprise

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00:51:53,195 --> 00:51:56,475
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't even recognize the writer's name. I

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00:51:56,555 --> 00:51:59,715
Speaker 1: found her contact info and I reached out to her

780
00:51:59,795 --> 00:52:02,675
Speaker 1: and said, have we ever spoken? And she says no,

781
00:52:03,435 --> 00:52:07,715
Speaker 1: And I say emails texts and she says no. And

782
00:52:07,755 --> 00:52:09,755
Speaker 1: then I say, then, when did I refuse to be

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00:52:09,835 --> 00:52:12,875
Speaker 1: interviewed for your Katie Urr article for the New York Times?

784
00:52:12,915 --> 00:52:15,595
Speaker 1: And she says, oh, I asked Katie Turr to ask you,

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00:52:15,915 --> 00:52:18,195
Speaker 1: and Katie Turr asked you, and you told Katie Turr

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00:52:18,235 --> 00:52:20,515
Speaker 1: you refuse to be interviewed. And I said, none of

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00:52:20,515 --> 00:52:25,915
Speaker 1: that happened. And there is a long silence on the

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Speaker 1: end of the phone. And then the writer says, let

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00:52:30,795 --> 00:52:33,355
Speaker 1: me call the editor to take that part out. And

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00:52:33,435 --> 00:52:36,715
Speaker 1: The Times changed the online version of why I didn't

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00:52:36,715 --> 00:52:40,075
Speaker 1: do the interview, although they do not note that they

792
00:52:40,195 --> 00:52:42,875
Speaker 1: changed it. And I later got a note from a

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00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:46,795
Speaker 1: Times editor apologizing she just lied to this reporter from

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00:52:46,795 --> 00:52:50,315
Speaker 1: the Times. Just lied. Oh, I'll call him and ask oh.

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00:52:50,315 --> 00:52:51,595
Speaker 1: He told me he doesn't want to talk to you

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00:52:51,675 --> 00:52:56,075
Speaker 1: about me. Just lied. And I just sat there, and

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00:52:56,115 --> 00:52:58,995
Speaker 1: I know, very unlike me. I have to say, I

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00:52:59,035 --> 00:53:03,595
Speaker 1: was actually too angry to do anything anyway. As I mentioned,

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00:53:03,675 --> 00:53:05,875
Speaker 1: Katie Turr published another book this year, and a lot

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00:53:05,915 --> 00:53:09,235
Speaker 1: of the publicity was about how I haunted her, and

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00:53:09,275 --> 00:53:11,115
Speaker 1: she had to go to great lengths to separate her

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00:53:11,155 --> 00:53:14,475
Speaker 1: career from mine, even as she keeps mentioning me, and

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00:53:14,555 --> 00:53:16,595
Speaker 1: even though she asked me in dead seriousness to write

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00:53:16,635 --> 00:53:21,315
Speaker 1: the first book for her. The book, the second one,

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00:53:21,355 --> 00:53:23,995
Speaker 1: is mostly about all the impediments and roadblocks she has

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00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:28,035
Speaker 1: faced while what's the word forging her career? But I

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00:53:28,075 --> 00:53:30,155
Speaker 1: will add this last point and then drop the subject.

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00:53:30,235 --> 00:53:34,995
Speaker 1: I hope forever. For forty three years full time, I

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00:53:35,075 --> 00:53:39,675
Speaker 1: have done this and counting college, it's God help me

810
00:53:39,715 --> 00:53:43,715
Speaker 1: forty seven years. And throughout that stretch, I have tried

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00:53:43,755 --> 00:53:47,995
Speaker 1: to acknowledge anybody and everybody who helped me in my career,

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00:53:48,275 --> 00:53:51,035
Speaker 1: even the ones I don't like, even people who are

813
00:53:51,115 --> 00:53:54,835
Speaker 1: totally utterly politically opposed to me. I still think fondly

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00:53:54,875 --> 00:53:57,515
Speaker 1: of Stuart Varney from Fox News because he taught me,

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00:53:58,275 --> 00:54:00,355
Speaker 1: when I was right up against it one night, how

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00:54:00,395 --> 00:54:04,315
Speaker 1: to use a teleprompter. I'll always cherish the memory of

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00:54:04,315 --> 00:54:08,395
Speaker 1: working with Stuart Barney. He was such a help to me. Politically,

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00:54:08,435 --> 00:54:11,915
Speaker 1: we could have a duel, but of course, as I said,

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00:54:11,915 --> 00:54:16,875
Speaker 1: the dynamic is different. I'm a guy still. Her book

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00:54:16,915 --> 00:54:19,675
Speaker 1: is about people who hindered her, and almost none of

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00:54:19,675 --> 00:54:22,955
Speaker 1: it is about people who helped her. She is rapidly

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00:54:22,995 --> 00:54:27,355
Speaker 1: turning into a kind of professional martyrdom. I saw this

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00:54:27,435 --> 00:54:30,195
Speaker 1: in its earliest stages sixteen years ago, and she is

824
00:54:30,275 --> 00:54:35,035
Speaker 1: now going from making it martyrdom into a brand and

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00:54:35,075 --> 00:54:39,555
Speaker 1: I'll say this lastly and sincerely. If your story of

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00:54:39,635 --> 00:54:43,995
Speaker 1: your career is all about people you think held you back,

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00:54:44,795 --> 00:54:48,955
Speaker 1: and not even mostly about the people who bent over

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00:54:49,075 --> 00:54:54,995
Speaker 1: backwards to help you along, that is all just very

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00:54:55,355 --> 00:55:12,155
Speaker 1: very sad. I've done all the damage I can do here.

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