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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Bar Blazarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 1: He everybody nailed it, joined as always by our Here

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Speaker 1: is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 3: If you get that game from Will Campbell for seventeen

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Speaker 3: games great, like the blocking, the penalties, like you said,

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Speaker 3: like that can't happen if he If that happens in December,

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Speaker 3: I'll hold it against him a lot more than happening

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Speaker 3: in his first NFL start.

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Speaker 2: I like how you're doing this podcast with David Andrews

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Speaker 2: because now you're interested in the offense.

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Speaker 3: I was always interested, but now I just feel more

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Speaker 3: that's your No, don't say it was never interested.

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Speaker 2: Not I'm saying interested in takes about it. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: really I had, like you know, you just kind of

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 3: Your area events for no. I love it just to

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Speaker 3: fault to you and like you looking at it.

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Speaker 2: You did a podcast with David andrew Have you.

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Speaker 3: Listened to it?

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Speaker 2: I have not to it, but just two now, Will

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Speaker 2: Campbell's a good jumping off point to this. I'm not

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Speaker 2: ready to declare victory yet on Will Campbell Alex after

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Speaker 2: two games one really really good game and one I

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Speaker 2: think decent game like the opener could have been a

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Speaker 2: little bit better in some areas, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to declare victory yet on Will Campbell,

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Speaker 2: but it's certainly trending in the right direction. On Will Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about what he's done over the

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Speaker 2: first two games. Feel pretty good about the Patriots right now,

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Speaker 2: good about their offense. It's amazing how much better you

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Speaker 2: feel coming off a game, not necessarily even just that

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Speaker 2: they won, but a game where the quarterback plays well.

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Speaker 2: It's just the whole thing. Even if they go out

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Speaker 2: on Sunday against Pittsburgh and lose, if Drake May gets

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Speaker 2: into this shootout, back and forth game with Aaron Rodgers like,

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Speaker 2: you're still going to come out of that game feeling

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Speaker 2: really good about it. I want to talk offense. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna start with offense. Of course, we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about what's going on with the Patriots defense.

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Speaker 2: Not as good Alex on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some more problems over there than what we've seen

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Speaker 2: with the offense. Are gonna do three up, three down?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk little Steelers. We'll open the show up

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Speaker 2: in the second half to your lovely calls and emails.

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Speaker 2: But it's Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth, Alex behind the Glass,

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two, and I want to start with

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Speaker 2: the offense. And I just want to say that there

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Speaker 2: was two schools of thought after last week. I crashed

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Speaker 2: out after the game last week against the Raiders, I

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Speaker 2: crashed out. I was very unhappy about what I saw

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots offense. I was really disappointed and kind

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Speaker 2: of perplexed. And I think what I missed and last

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Speaker 2: week's show because I let the emotional side of me

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Speaker 2: get the best of me, and I kind of forgot

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Speaker 2: to mention this last week. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: I missed was the fact that in training camp we

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Speaker 2: saw all of the bells and whistles that we saw

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Speaker 2: against the Dolphins that we did not see in week

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Speaker 2: one against the Raiders. We saw the motion, we saw

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Speaker 2: the bootlegs, we saw the running backs getting vertical out

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Speaker 2: and then they played the Raiders and none of it

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Speaker 2: was there, Like it just they completely stripped it down.

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Speaker 2: They almost treated it like a fourth preseason game, and

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Speaker 2: was like, where is all the cool stuff? Like, where

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Speaker 2: Because you were doing it in Minnesota and joint practices,

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Speaker 2: we got to the opener against the Raiders and I

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Speaker 2: was given nothing to work with, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: where's all the fun stuff? Then fast forward a week

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Speaker 2: This is what we were this is what we were

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Speaker 2: looking for. So as much as I fully admit that

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Speaker 2: allow for See, you should have been patient, you should

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Speaker 2: have given it more time. It was only one game.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow for that. Because the numbers,

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Speaker 2: summer and it paid dividends. Drake May was fantastic. This

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Speaker 2: all accounts, whether you want to go I test that,

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Speaker 2: you want to go stats, whether you want to go efficiency,

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Speaker 2: the board. But I want to stick on McDaniel's in

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Speaker 2: the scheme because you know that that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll give Drake his flowers. Here. So a

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Speaker 2: review this week. If all these numbers that I'm about

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Speaker 2: you can go there. So in week one, the shotgun

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Speaker 2: seventy eight percent of the time in shotgun in week one.

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Speaker 2: That was down to forty two percent of the time

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Speaker 2: really starting to love that next gen kind of combines

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Speaker 2: one number baked in run plays, rush attempts combined with

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Speaker 2: play action dropbacks. You with me, all right? So in

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Speaker 2: week one thirty five percent run action rate for the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: In week two they almost doubled that sixty percent in

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Speaker 2: week two, so they were under center more. They were

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Speaker 2: run plus play actioning more. And then, of course the

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Speaker 2: big one the motion rate. The motion rate increases by

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Speaker 2: over fifty percent sixty nine point two percent in week two,

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Speaker 2: they started hitting the moving pockets right and you start

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Speaker 2: having him read half the field instead of reading full

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Speaker 2: it two high? As a man? Is its zone? Like

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Speaker 2: all these different intricacies in the drop back game that

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Speaker 2: like does this guy, you know, does he keep containing?

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Speaker 2: First of all, right, does he bite or not bite?

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Speaker 2: But then also is he playing it high to low

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Speaker 2: combination of the fourth down play to Digs and then

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Speaker 2: to finish in this game for sixty minutes. So the

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Speaker 2: play calling changed. I thought that this is exactly the

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Speaker 2: way that they need to run this offense. Not to

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Speaker 2: toot my own horn or pat myself on the back,

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Speaker 2: but we talked about all this stuff last week, the

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Speaker 2: importance of the run game, the importance of play action,

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Speaker 2: the importance of motion. All of those things we touched

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Speaker 2: them this week. I'm a happy camper. I'm a happy

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Speaker 2: camper today. That was exactly what I was looking for.

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Speaker 2: What were your big picture takeaways from this game?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think how much they changed the offense and

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Speaker 3: a lot of what you just said, I think, especially

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Speaker 3: getting may on the move, rolling them out the moving pockets.

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Speaker 3: But part of the reason you're able to do that

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Speaker 3: still the way they were running the ball and the

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Speaker 3: league played to Austin Hooper. You go go back and

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Speaker 3: watch that play and watch all three of the Dolphins

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Speaker 3: linebackers on that play. They all bite incredibly hard. And

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Speaker 3: what happens is Tyrell Thoughtson ends up in a spot

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Speaker 3: Austin Hooper runs the route up along the sideline all alone.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, you know, not to nitpick, because Drake may

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Speaker 3: was awesome, like you said, but if it's a better throw,

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Speaker 3: a Hooper maybe walks in with a touchdown. So their

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Speaker 3: ability to run the ball, their ability to run the

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Speaker 3: When I say without gimmicks, they definitely dressed it up

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Speaker 3: you know, you go back to last week where they

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Speaker 3: like not a real traditional run play. You're not building

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Speaker 3: So in terms of just you know, meat and potatoes runs, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and some it's dressed up with motion, but things that

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Speaker 3: call on a regular basis. They were much better. They

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Speaker 3: were much better between the tackles, and some of that

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Speaker 3: goes to Drake May. So I'll reference to David Andrews

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Speaker 2: in the second half and started to set the edge

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Speaker 2: and started to get the run defense back in order.

437
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: But pass defense wise, the numbers are what they are,

438
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: league high six hundred and seventy seven pass yards through

439
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: two weeks.

440
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: Ten point three yards per tenth league high. They're the

441
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Speaker 3: only team in the league that's allowed a three hundred

442
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: yard passer in each of the first two games.

443
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Speaker 2: So they're thirty first in the league and pass rating,

444
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 2: like we can just rattle off all these numbers like

445
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: they're they're in the bottom of the league in pretty

446
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: much every statistical category against the pass. And the big

447
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 2: thing to me, just kind of you know, unpacking it

448
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: even further with the pass defense, is that this team,

449
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: and going back to Carlton Davis's introductory press conference, this

450
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: team wanted to play man to man coverage. They wanted

451
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis on one side, Christian Gonzalez on the other side,

452
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: man to man across the board and then let that

453
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: pass rush heet, you know, make the quarterback hold the football,

454
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: jam receivers throw off the timing, make them hold it,

455
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: and then you let Milton Williams and Barmore and Landry

456
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: and those guys get home. They have not been able

457
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: to play man coverage. They've been one of the worst

458
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: teams in the league in man coverage as well. They're

459
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: giving up over eleven yards per pass attempt in man

460
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: coverage through two weeks. So this is not how they

461
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: were built. This was not the vision in the offseason

462
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: to play this way. So you can take that two ways.

463
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 2: You could sit here and take it half class, class

464
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: half full and say just need Gonzo back, right, just

465
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Speaker 2: get zero back, and all of this is going to

466
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Speaker 2: go back to the way that they envision. The other

467
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Speaker 2: side of it, though, is that there are guys that

468
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: they need to rely on in this secondary, with or

469
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: without Christian Gonzalez that are getting picked on, mainly the linebackers,

470
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: Alex Austin, a little bit of the safeties as well,

471
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: if those middle of the field defenders, particularly because once

472
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: Gonzo comes back, Alex Austin will go back to sort

473
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Speaker 2: of a rotational role and not be asked to cover

474
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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill probably, so that kind of

475
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: settles that whole thing down. But the linebackers and the

476
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: safeties and past coverage, if you're going to be a

477
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: man to man team, they're going to have the backs

478
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: and tight ends a lot in this season how do

479
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: they figure that out? Where's your concern level right now

480
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: with the pass defense because the numbers are not good.

481
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Speaker 3: So it's twofold. On one hand, I think getting Christian

482
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: Zalez back is certainly gonna help. I mean, they're missing

483
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: their best player. They're missing their best player.

484
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Speaker 2: Who happen if to be the best cover corner in

485
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Speaker 2: the league.

486
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Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna feel that. You're absolutely gonna feel that.

487
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: So I think getting him back will be a chunk

488
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 3: of this. But I don't know how Christian Gonzalez coming

489
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: back helps Robert Splaine play better in coverage, helps christianell

490
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: has play better in coverage. We cite the yardage right,

491
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Speaker 3: the raw yardage of what they're giving up, and it's

492
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Speaker 3: it's kind of jarring. It's a lot thirty five. I

493
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 3: think it's just over thirty five percent of the pass

494
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: yards they've allowed. You got me doing it now, based

495
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: on PFF has come when targeting a linebacker, and the

496
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 3: vast majority of that is on Roberts Splaine and Chrishnellis.

497
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of Martem Appu in there, but

498
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Speaker 3: I'd say thirty percent of their yards against him coverage

499
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: has come against more than thirty percent has come against

500
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Speaker 3: just two linebackers. So what do you do in that case, Well,

501
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: when you get Gonzales back, now you have him and

502
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Davis on the outside, so you can, you know, put

503
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Speaker 3: more help there and put more help towards the middle

504
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: of the field and line and tight ends. Not every

505
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: running back two is going to be Devon a Chan

506
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: who obviously has tremendous speed and is a matchup nightmare.

507
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: It's not to say you won't face other good receiving backs.

508
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: There's a bit of an exception there, But at a

509
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: certain point, Robert Splain is supposed to be a three

510
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: down linebacker. Nobody's asked him to be Fred Warner, but

511
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 3: he can't be this much of a liability and coverage

512
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: that he's getting hunted the way he is. Christianellis is

513
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: a covers linebacker. That's the guy they brought back the

514
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: Raiders were going to sign as an RFA and they matched.

515
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: At a certain point, you just might need those guys

516
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: to play better. And I know that's not the answer

517
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 3: anybody wants to hear, and that's not really what we

518
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: do on this show. We kind of talk about the

519
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: schematics of this and that as they noticed no more

520
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: uh haas behind the logo.

521
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well not on this logo. It's on like

522
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Speaker 2: the It's on like the Apple.

523
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Speaker 3: Because I saw Brady talking about it, so I realized that,

524
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Speaker 3: I know, on the show, you know, we'd normally get

525
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: more of the schematics of and again, when you get

526
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Speaker 3: Gonzales back, I think there'll be more opportunity to give

527
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: some help. But at a certa and point, those guys

528
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 3: just have to cover.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a good point. I do think that

530
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: they are. There are things that they could do to

531
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: help out Roberts playing. I think they're asking a lot

532
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: of Roberts playe right now. I'm glad that you pointed

533
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: that out with a Chan. I know, hen killed them,

534
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: but Han kills a lot of people. He's a really

535
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: good player, and not only is he explosive, but he's

536
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: quick and he's just a matchup nightmare for any linebacker.

537
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: So one of the things that I would just nitpick

538
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: from the coaching staff standpoint here is that you need

539
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: to start going into games treating running backs like Chan

540
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: as a game plan player. Like you can't just go

541
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: into that game like you would any other week. And

542
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: just say you know, the linebacker's got him right like that.

543
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: That's got to be more of a game plan oriented thing.

544
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: Whether you know that situation where they give up the

545
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: twenty nine yard touchdown before halftime, Like maybe that's Kyle

546
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: Duggart on a chan Maybe that's another safety. If you

547
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: don't like Kyle dugger in that spot, maybe you try

548
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: Marte Mappuo, I know, gave up the eighteen yarder. But

549
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: like is a little bit more athletic and a little

550
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: bit better in space and has the safety background. You

551
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: have to treat him as a different kind of cat,

552
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: Like that's not a just run of the mill running

553
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: back out of the backfield route. That is a dynamic

554
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: skill player in space coming out of the backfield there.

555
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: So the coaching staff needs to help out Roberts play

556
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: in a little bit. I don't want to go as

557
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: too far to say that they're leaving him out to

558
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: dry because he's got to play better. But they're asking

559
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: a lot of robert splay, especially in coverage, and I

560
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: think that they can help him out by taking him

561
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: out of some of those band coverage situations. It might

562
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: be a situation where he is a little bit more

563
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley than what we thought. Not exactly the same player,

564
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: but Jwan Bentley, if he was playing on third down

565
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: with the Patriots over the years, was in the past

566
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: rush They did not drop Jawan Bentley in coverage you often,

567
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: especially not man coverage. So you might have to start

568
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: treating Robert Splaine like a like a two down player.

569
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: So maybe a three down player going to right that

570
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: that's the big question. Now, Mapu had a little bit

571
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: of an audition that did not go so hot. You know,

572
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: he got the pick, but he also gave up the

573
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: eighteen yard completion that could have been a touchdown if

574
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: the chalk is a little bit further out wide there

575
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: what the fields fifty three.

576
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: And a half yards touchdown in Canada?

577
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: If it's a fifty four you know yard wide field,

578
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: then it's a touchdown. Uh. The other answer that I've

579
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: thought about a little bit, and I know this is

580
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: maybe a tad outside the box, but would they ever

581
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: think about playing Kyle Dugger at the second level?

582
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: But wasn't the whole thing in camp? The Kyle Dugger

583
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: was struggling and coverage, specifically.

584
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: With deep coverage, Like I'm talking like if he's covering

585
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: a running back out of the back. I would like

586
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: to think so, and you got to be he's on

587
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: the TV.

588
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: They got they gotta try something, right, So you've got

589
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: to try.

590
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: Something on third down. I do one if they play

591
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: more three safety dime, so six defensive backs, three corners,

592
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: three safeties, and then they have an ability there to

593
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: use that third safety as a matchup player in man

594
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: demand coverage, whether that's against a pass catching tight end

595
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: or a pass catching running back. And that way there

596
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: you're not leaving Splain and Ellis as the two guys

597
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: on the running backs. The other thing that I thought

598
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: from this game defensively that stood out to me was

599
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: just they tried to play a lot of zone coverage

600
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: early on. They played a ton of cover two two

601
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: high safety cover two early on in this game. And

602
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: Vrabel said it after the game. They were conceding the

603
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: whole shots to Tua, Like if Tuo was gonna throw

604
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: the ball outside the numbers on those corner routes, they

605
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: were just gonna give those to him. They were going

606
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: to concede them into To his credit, he threw three

607
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: corner hole shots and hit all three of them for explosives.

608
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: Eighteen yard touchdown to Wattle and then two twenty plus

609
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: yard plays, one to Hill and one to Wattle. So

610
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: they we're willing to give up those those areas of

611
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: the field and to a burn them. Now, the pivot

612
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: would probably be to play man coverage, right, if he's

613
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: killing you on the corner routes, well, the obvious answer

614
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 2: would be then to pivot de man coverage. But they

615
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to pivot demand coverage right now

616
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: at a successful level. So they ended up only playing

617
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: four snaps of man coverage the entire game, and to

618
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: a torch to them on all four snaps, right, So

619
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: they were kind of caught between a rock and a

620
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: hard place coverage wise, of you know, he's taken what

621
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: we're giving him in Cover two and he's hitting those things,

622
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: so we can't just sit into high safety Cover two.

623
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: And then when we play man, we can't man because

624
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: we can't cover the receivers. And so I know there's

625
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: a lot of talk early on in this game about

626
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: the pass rush through the first three quarters, where they

627
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: only had a couple pressures through the first three quarters.

628
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: But I'm watching the game and I'm looking at the

629
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Speaker 2: numbers and two us getting the ball out and like

630
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: two like less than two seconds at some point in

631
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: this game, right in the second to third quarter range.

632
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: I think it was one point nine seconds per attempt,

633
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the average time that Tuo

634
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: was holding the football. I don't care. If you have

635
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: the best defensive line in football, You're not getting home

636
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: in two seconds. Like, it's just not possible. So as

637
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: the game wore on, they did have some calls up

638
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: their sleeve. To Zach Kerr and Mike Rabel's credit, they

639
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: pulled out some calls in the fourth quarter that were

640
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: a little bit different that forced two and to hold

641
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: the ball. And then all of a sudden you start

642
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: noticing Landry and you start noticing Milton Williams. So this

643
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: is a coverage problem. This isn't a pass rush problem, right.

644
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: I actually think their pass rush has been almost near

645
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: dominant when they've had opportunities to rush the quarterback over

646
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: the first two weeks. What they need to do is

647
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: cover better. And it's simple to just say Christian Gonzalez

648
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: is going to come back and he's going to fix everything,

649
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: but they're still going to have these problems in the

650
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: middle of the flame.

651
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: He'll fix some things. He'll he'll fix some things, but

652
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: it's really that linebacker coverage and covering running backs and

653
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: covering tight ends where they're still Gonzalez will help that

654
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: a little bit because you can maybe attribute more help

655
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: that way, but it's not going to fix everything.

656
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: All right, last thing I want to hit on and

657
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: then we can do three up, three down, and then

658
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: we'll all open the show there is It's very fair.

659
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: And I waited thirty minutes to say this because I

660
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: didn't want to. I didn't want to cloud everything here.

661
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: It's very fair to point out the fact that the

662
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins are in trouble right now. The Dolphins are

663
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: not good. They're not good offensively. They woke up a

664
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: little bit in this game. Defensively, they've been a train

665
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: wreck through two weeks. Daniel Jones looked just as good

666
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: against them in Week one as Drake May did.

667
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones looked good last week against the Broncoswich was

668
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: one of the best defenses of football a shit.

669
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: So maybe the Indiana Jones is just turning it around.

670
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: But as much as you have to take it with

671
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: a grain of salt because of the opponent, and what's

672
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: going on with Miami and my guy, and I know

673
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna take a victory lap when this happens. If

674
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: they get blown out by Buffalo tomorrow night on Thursday

675
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: Night football. I don't know if Mike McDaniel's gonna coach

676
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: in the Dolphins next week.

677
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: So Mike McDaniel even get on the plane, I don't

678
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: know so, and I'll be honest, is the only reason

679
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: he is a job right now because they're playing on

680
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: Thursday night could be because you just you really don't Logistically,

681
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: it's a night Mary, it sounds weird. Logistically is like

682
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: a mania buy for them.

683
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: So if it doesn't go well on Thursday night, they

684
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: have this the weekend off and try to sit on

685
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: it and figure it out. A big reason why the

686
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Patriots won this game. I don't want to take away

687
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: anything from from the Pats, That's why I waited to

688
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: say this, but a big reason why the Patriots won

689
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: this game was because of the Dolphins. The Dolphins defense

690
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: is wretched, and not only is it wretched, but you

691
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: can take a victory lap on this. They absolutely self

692
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: destructed at the end of this game. Uh and Mike

693
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: McDaniels self destructed at the end of this game because

694
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: they had a delay a game because they couldn't get

695
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: the play call in shock. They had a bad like

696
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: substitution or something like that happened that led to another penalty.

697
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: They went from what was it, like first and ten

698
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: from the twenty six after the h HN catch to

699
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: like second and twenty five, all on their own doing.

700
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: The Patriots took advantage of it, though, And that's what

701
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: I want to harp on here to kind of, you know,

702
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: bring it back to a good thing for the Patriots.

703
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: What was Mike Rabel's first step for.

704
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: This football good enough to take advantage of bad football?

705
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they did that That's exactly what that

706
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: win was. And they played some bad football themselves that

707
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: they have to clean up. But you know, I texted

708
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: a buddy mine after the game, the last two years

709
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: in that sort of game, the Patriots are who the

710
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: Dolphins were, Right, It's okay, we got a big return

711
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: and then we gave one up. We hit a big

712
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: play and then we you know, we committed these penalties

713
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: that kind of offset it. So that's not to say

714
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: they were perfect. They certainly made their share of mistakes.

715
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: I think they were called for. I know they were

716
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: had twelve accepted penalties. I think the actual number was

717
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: like fifteen or sixteen. And we talked about this last

718
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: week in the Reeler fake thing. I think the penalties

719
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: are going to be a thing, at least to start

720
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: the year. More than half of those called penalties are

721
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: against rookies, Travon Henderson and three of them. And on

722
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: top of rookies, you just got a lot of guys who,

723
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: even as veterans, are in a new system and are

724
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: going to have to figure it out. So they had

725
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: their mistakes. I'm not gonna say they didn't have their mistakes,

726
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, they didn't make

727
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: the last win. They didn't make the biggest one, and

728
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: that's not going to win you a Super Bowler. And hey,

729
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: we didn't make the worst mistake in this game. You know,

730
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: that doesn't make you a Super Bowl contender. But it's

731
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: the first step, and realistically, this thing's going to be

732
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: a process.

733
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: So it's the first step. And it's been well probably

734
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: since the last time they scored thirty points. So the

735
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappy game in twenty twenty two which was a

736
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: flash in the pan, let's face it, but they scored

737
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 2: thirty in Cleveland that day. The Browns were also a mess,

738
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and I took advantage of bad football in Cleveland that day.

739
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: But I think to consistently go back to when the

740
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: offense was able to take advantage of bad football, you

741
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: probably have to go back to Max rookie season. Yeah,

742
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: that's honestly how long it's been since they've had good

743
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: enough offense that when they get a matchup with a

744
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: running back on a linebacker down the field, they make

745
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: the play, or when they can pull defenders out of

746
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: their zone drops on play action, they hit the plays

747
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: down the field, like the one to Hooper or the

748
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: touchdown Hollins, like those plays they just haven't been making

749
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: over the last two or three years. They were able

750
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: to take advantage of bad football. And I know that

751
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: some people get bothered when you look ahead, but we

752
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: don't play the game, so we can look ahead. It's fine,

753
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 2: trust me. Like they're not looking ahead, but we can't

754
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: their schedule. If you just go into some of these

755
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: games against the Miamis, the Carolinas, the New Orleans, the Clevelands,

756
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: the Tennessee's if you go into some of these games

757
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: and you just don't stink as bad as the other team,

758
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: that you're gonna see some wins start to pile up

759
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: for the team like that, that is set up for them.

760
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: It's taking advantage of bad football to.

761
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: Just be to let the other team out suck you.

762
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, And they can go into five, six,

763
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: seven of these games, I would say, and we might

764
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: be able. We'll see what happens with the Bengals without

765
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. That's another game now in November. The Patriots

766
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: probably aren't going to have to face Joe Burrow when

767
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: they play the Bengals. It's Cleveland, it's Tennessee, it's New Orleans,

768
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: it's Carolina. Who the heck knows what's gonna happen with

769
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: the Jets between now and the time the Patriots play

770
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: them the Giants. Is that going to be Jackson Dart

771
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: in that game? Is that going to be Russell Wilson played?

772
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: He played okay this week.

773
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: But there's probably seven or eight games on their schedule

774
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: that if at the bare minimum, they take that first

775
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: step this year with my with Mike Rable of taking

776
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: advantage of bad football where they could go realistically five

777
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: and two, six and one in that stretch of games,

778
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: and that's a great first step for this team. So

779
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: there you go. I waxed poetic. I gave him their flowers. Nice,

780
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: good game, thank you. Three up, three down, and then

781
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna move on. We're and talk some Steelers and

782
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: take your calls and emails. Number one up? Is it both,

783
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: Drake May? For both of us here the number one up?

784
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: Drake May. I had him, like I said, eleven plus

785
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: two minus, his best game as a pro, no doubt

786
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: about it. Is there anything else you want to add?

787
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: I think we said all he was really good? Number

788
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: two ramondra Sevenson got the same list. Kyan already talked

789
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: about it. His ability to make plays, is a runner

790
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: and is a passer, and his ability to create hidden

791
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: yardage and break tackles and things like that. Chelsea, what

792
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: he can be when he's right. Now, don't run him

793
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: into the ground like you have the last few years,

794
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 3: because we see he can't beat his player all year

795
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: when he's getting three hundred touches. He got to keep

796
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson involved. We'll get to Travon Henderson. But when

797
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: he's right he can be a weapon for the offense.

798
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 2: So Remandre, of course, I just lost my dock here

799
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: Andre one yard run, fifty five yard catch, and then

800
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: he had that fourteen yard screen on a third down

801
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: backed up. That was a sneaky big play in this game.

802
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: Made a guy miss I had no business getting the

803
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: sticks in that play, and he did a really sneaky game.

804
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if they just called the screens at

805
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: the right time or if Drake was checking into the screens,

806
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: but they caught Miami in two blitzes on screens. One

807
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: was a fifteen yard reception by Travon Henderson and one

808
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: was a fourteen yard third down and twelve where Remandre

809
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: gained fourteen yards where they brought the house to that

810
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: side of the field. They overloaded the side of the

811
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: field and the Patriots just snuck Remindre right behind the

812
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: blitz on a screen. So whether it was a well

813
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: time call by Josh McDaniels or a great check by

814
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: Drake may either way like that, that's really good offense

815
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: and good news for them. So I also had Remandre

816
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: in this game. I thought he was fantastic. Who's number three?

817
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: Number three? So actually had four ups Number three Josh mctangils.

818
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: I just like the way everything you said off the top.

819
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: I like the way that they adjusted. I like the

820
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: changes they made from week to week. I think those

821
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: really helped. He deserves credit for this game certainly.

822
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Number three on my list. The rookies on

823
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: the left side of the offensive line. Yeah, they're both

824
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: Will Campbell Jared Wilson. Both pitch shutouts. Now, like I

825
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: said earlier, they really only had like seventeen or so

826
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: true drop back past sets, so it wasn't a ton

827
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: of volume. I would also put out there, Bradley Chubb

828
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: right now is just not the same guy coming off

829
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: this knee injury. He's compromised. But at the same time,

830
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: I thought Will Campbell was terrific in this game. He

831
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: was in complete control of that matchup in pass pro.

832
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: He had three really dominant standout run blocks in this game.

833
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: One of them came on the fifteen yarder to Gibson

834
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: on the wham scheme where he got up to the

835
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: second level and turned the guy out. He was terrific

836
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: throughout this entire game and just kind of dominated Bradley Chubb.

837
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: He Bradley Chubb did not do anything of note. Jared

838
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Wilson also really good. Saw a little bit of Zach

839
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: Seeler in this game. Was an underrated player on the

840
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: interior there for the Dolphins and was able to hold

841
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: up really well. Had a really good block on the

842
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: two point conversion, brought Remandra into the end zone on

843
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: that play. But like I said in the beginning of

844
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: the show, I'm not going to take any victory laps

845
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: yet on Will Campbell. I'm not declaring it a win

846
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: just yet. But kid looks like he can play. There

847
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: are gonna be some ups and downs, there's gonna be

848
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: some bumps in the road. But I think what we're

849
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: seeing through two weeks is that I don't think the

850
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: arm length thing and the physical limitations is gonna be

851
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: why this kid fails. I really don't. I think he's

852
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: plenty good enough to overcome that is gonna be perfect,

853
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. But I think through two weeks and through

854
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: training camp, I can confidently say that there is that's

855
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: not going to be why if it goes south for him,

856
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: It's not going to be the arm.

857
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: It was funny I said on the radio last night,

858
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: if everybody would have just gotten past the arms for

859
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: five minutes in the spring, I would have told you,

860
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: and I think I mentioned it very briefly on this show.

861
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how many shows we even got through it.

862
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: My biggest concern with Will Campbell was not the arm length.

863
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: It was that he developed a little bit of a

864
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: penalty problem last year at LS. He was very good

865
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: the first two years and then last year. I think

866
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: he had seven penalty He had more last year, and

867
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: he did the first years combined, so the penalty self

868
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: to come down. He had another fall start in this game.

869
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: I know Vrabel said he didn't see him move. There

870
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: might be a little bit of a flinch there, but

871
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: I thought it. I thought so too. But I mean

872
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: he's in his second game in the NFL. Like the

873
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: penalties are something. First game on the road, that's first

874
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: game on the road. That's very coachable, and first game

875
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: on the road. It's interesting. Andrew's mentioned he noticed they

876
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: were going back and forth between a verbal count and

877
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: a head bob count. So it was a tough in

878
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: that regard. But if the penalties come down, I mean

879
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: he's that as a blocker. This is he's a starting

880
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: caliber left tackle. He's a solid, starting caliber left tackle

881
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: right now through two games. Like you said earlier, I'm

882
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: not gonna take the whole victory lap on that, But

883
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: if this is an indication of who he's gonna be,

884
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: I think you feel pretty good about that. As long

885
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: as as he kind of trims down the penalties, that's

886
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: the one thing you're looking at. This is exactly what

887
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: they by the way we talked about him, you know,

888
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: really winning against Bradley Chubb. He's finishing against Bradley Chubb.

889
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: I mean he put him on the ground a few times.

890
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: He got his hands on him and just ended the reps. Now,

891
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb is not who he once was. I think

892
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: that has to be said. I'm really interested this week,

893
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: so I don't think not to get too much into

894
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: the Steelers right away. But I don't think Alex Heismith

895
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: is going to play in this game. He had a

896
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: high ankles game last week.

897
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: Tom said he's not.

898
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think he's gonna be out. Nick Herbig

899
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: the back their third pass rusher there, Watt. You know

900
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: high Smith. Herbig is sneaky good. He's a really good

901
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: speed rusher and he's kind of the type of guy

902
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: that I was a little bit concerned about with Will Campbell.

903
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: Where if you get those guys that can really threaten

904
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: the corner off the snap, and Will Campbell over commits,

905
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: that's when he gets beat to the inside. That's when

906
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: that inside move was getting him in college. So I'm

907
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: interested to see how he looks. He's gonna face better guys,

908
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: And I think what's what's been really nice for the

909
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: Patriots here is all the good rushers have been rushing

910
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: over the right tackle for the first two weeks and

911
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: will next week two with TJ. Watt. So Max Crosby

912
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: is a right tackle guy, Jaln Phillips is a right

913
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: tackle guy, and now t J. Watt is a right

914
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: tackle guy. So they haven't really had like the baptism

915
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: of by fire yet for Will Campbell, which I think

916
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: is a good thing in some ways to kind of

917
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: give him some confidence and get him into the league

918
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: a little bit before we get to that point. You

919
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: had four, I had four as well. Who was your fourth,

920
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: Milton Williams?

921
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: I know, all right, No, you had the line and

922
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: I Josh McDaniel, Oh right, right, right, Let's could have

923
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: had the lineane though they were good as much as

924
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: the defense struggled. The sack at the end of the

925
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: game is great. He I don't know do you call

926
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: that beating a double team? He almost got around so

927
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: quickly before the second guy could even get there, you know,

928
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: like it never it was supposed to be a double team,

929
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: but it wasn't because he got off the ball so

930
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: quick that the center Aaron Brewer couldn't get over after

931
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: he snapped the ball. How about his other sack though?

932
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: Where and it was on a third down late in

933
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: the game, third and short, and he chases. It's not

934
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: a real sack in the sense that he tackles the quarterback.

935
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: He chases Tua all the way to the sideline, forced

936
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: him out of bounds, doesn't even give him a chance

937
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: to throw the ball away. Two has to run out

938
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: of bounds for a loss, which is very rare see quarterbacks.

939
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: Do I know Drake may did it last week? It's

940
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: not something you want to be doing as a quarterback.

941
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: For defensive tackle, too is athletic. Two is not a statue.

942
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: He's not Lamar Jackson, but he's not a statue for

943
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: defensive tackle. To chase the quarterback all the way to

944
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: the sideline in a game in Miami, like late in

945
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: that game when he's that's just terrific motor, terrific athletics,

946
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: is terrific, conditioning the guys showing up, the guys shown up.

947
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: Is a big time player. Through two weeks, he's been awesome.

948
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: He's been a man possessed. He's been absolutely unreal through

949
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: two weeks. There's two things that you worry about with

950
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: guys like Milton Williams. One of course, it was is

951
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: he a product of the Philly defensive line? Is he

952
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: the Adlias Thomas of the Eagles defense where he's got

953
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, he's got Jordan Davis, he's got the guys

954
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: on the outside, And there were concerns when they signed him.

955
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: I admit I was concerned about it a little bit,

956
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: that he was just kind of a product of that

957
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: system and that defensive line. The other thing that you

958
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: worry about guys like million Milton Williams is when you

959
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: sign for a hundred million dollars, like is it gonna

960
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: mean as much to you after the contract? Or are

961
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: you still gonna play with that kind of effort and

962
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: that kind of motor both check and check like so

963
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: far right, like hurting the check. I mean, he just

964
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: he's playing with his hair on fire. The one thing

965
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: I texted you about on Monday is like, can he

966
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: keep this up? Can he play at this type a

967
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: level in terms of effort for seventeen games, Because this

968
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: is a crazy start for Milton Williams. He has ten

969
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: pressures through two weeks. He's second in the league in

970
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: a pass rush win rate among defensive tackles. They's yeah,

971
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: he's been one of the best defensive tackles in football

972
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: through two weeks. And I would say that the game

973
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: ceiling sack, they slide the three man protection towards him

974
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: in Harold Landry and then they are man to man

975
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: to the back side, so it's you know, man to

976
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: man one on one on the back side, and they

977
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: actually chip on the left side to kind of help

978
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: out the tackle there, and then they three man slide

979
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: it to two people on the other side. If you're

980
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: three man sliding to two people, you're supposed to be

981
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: able to block it.

982
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 4: Right.

983
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: You have three on two for the offensive line, and

984
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Milton Williams was just off the ball so quickly and

985
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: through the double team so fast that they couldn't even

986
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: block them even with two guys on one player. So

987
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: just took over, just an absolute game takeover by Milton Williams.

988
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: I hope you can do it for seventeen games. I

989
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: hope we don't see this the gas tanks start to

990
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: run empty, right, you know, compared it to kind of

991
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: like Judon. Remember Judon will kind of tail off towards

992
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: the end of the season. I will get to the

993
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: downs here in a second. But nothing says football season

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1008
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: We've been pretty positive for the first fifty minutes, but

1009
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: there's certainly some downs. Who's your number one down? Here?

1010
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: Number one down? I don't do him in order. I

1011
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: just do him the order they come to my head.

1012
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: All right, I'll try to stort it. Robertsplaine, Yeah, Roberts

1013
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of what we talked about. The mistackle,

1014
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: the misstackles is the bigger thing, like if they need

1015
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: to maybe turn somewhere else in coverage. It's not ideal,

1016
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: but I get it. Guy's supposed to be a tackling machine.

1017
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: I think he's missed more tackle. Has he missed more

1018
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: tackles than he made he's made or something like that,

1019
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: Like got to be finishing the tackles. So you have

1020
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: me using the stats. His eight dot is four yards

1021
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: per target average up the target, he's allowing eleven yards

1022
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: per completion or eleven yards per tempt. So even if

1023
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: he is going to allow these completions, like you got

1024
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: to get the guy down at the spot. And if

1025
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: there's not as much of a yak opportunity, okay, then

1026
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 3: maybe teams don't target you as much. The tackling, to me,

1027
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: is a bigger issue than the coverage with him.

1028
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: So five miss tackles for Roberts Splain, it was all

1029
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: my number one down eight catches ninety six yards in

1030
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: a touchdown into his coverage. Of course, the touchdown was

1031
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: the twenty nine to nine yarder by eight Hn right

1032
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: before halftime. The one thing I'll say for Robert Splaine

1033
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 2: that gives me a slight glimmer of hope is that

1034
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: he's there. He's just not getting the guys on the ground.

1035
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: So he's been a good tackler throughout his career. He's

1036
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: already missed I believe, as many tackles in two games

1037
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: as he missed all of last year. So for whatever reason,

1038
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: he's not tackling well right now. If he gets at

1039
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: an order, I think the good news is that it's

1040
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: not that he's not getting to the spots. He's just

1041
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: not getting the ballgarer on the ground. So if you

1042
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: start to tackle a little bit better, maybe this goes

1043
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: the other way and starts to improve quickly here for

1044
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: Robert Splaine, but he just hasn't been good enough. They

1045
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: don't need him to be. He doesn't have to be

1046
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: like prime ray lewis right, but they just need him

1047
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: to be better than this. So Robert Splaine, the number

1048
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: one down, who's number two on your.

1049
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: List, and Henderson three holding penalties to on offense, one

1050
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: on special teams, got blown up a couple times in

1051
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: pass protection. That's it's gonna make it hard to put you.

1052
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 3: You gotta be able to pass block if you're gonna

1053
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: be out there in the situations they want him in.

1054
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: And it's not as simple as why don't you just

1055
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: run him in the route every time. There's gonna be

1056
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: times he need to check and keep the extra protector

1057
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: in and he's gonna have to be able to hold

1058
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: up in that regard. So a down week for him,

1059
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: you hope it improves. You hope it doesn't cut in

1060
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: was playing time too much, But the pass protection issues

1061
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: were real for him in this game.

1062
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: So I'll get to him in a second. My number

1063
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: two down was Alex Austin, who I'm just kind of

1064
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: disappointed in what the performance because for the first two weeks.

1065
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good training camp. I

1066
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: thought he had a really good summer. I thought he

1067
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: was good in the joint practices against other teams. And

1068
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: he just hasn't been good to start the season. You know,

1069
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: gave up six catches for ninety eight yards and a touchdown.

1070
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: Of course, the Waddle touchdown with him in coverage, I

1071
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: just I was expecting a little bit better from Alex Austin.

1072
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: Now is he punching above his weight like a little bit.

1073
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: He's probably not there yet to cover the number one

1074
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: receiver on the other team, whether that's Waddle or Hill,

1075
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: whichever one you want to pick. He's just not there yet.

1076
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: But even the big catch he gave up to Hill,

1077
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: the forty seven yarder, he's just got to play the

1078
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: ball better in the air, Like he's got the deep third. Yeah,

1079
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: you can't get beat over the top first of all,

1080
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: and cover three when you have the deep third. He

1081
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: gets run by by Tyreek Hill and then it's really

1082
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: under thrown, but he's so far behind that he's playing

1083
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: catch up and so that he can't recover the underthrown pass.

1084
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: I just wasn't a good game for Alex Austin. And

1085
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: if Christigan zalz We're gonna find out here in a

1086
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: couple of hours, if he's gonna be on the practice

1087
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: field today on Wednesday, if Christian Zalez continues to be

1088
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: out like, they need Alex Austen to be better than

1089
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: what he was on Sunday. So Alex Austen was number

1090
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: two for me, he's number three for you.

1091
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: Part of me with Alex Austin though, just real quick like, yes,

1092
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 3: he's a better player, and he looked in that game.

1093
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: That's a bad matchup for him. He's not a speed corner.

1094
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: He's a guy you're putting up against a big you know,

1095
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 3: physical jump balls. Even the Dolphins don't have that guy.

1096
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: So that's when where Gonzalez is back. I don't think

1097
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: you see Alex Austen in a lot of the positions

1098
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 3: that he was in. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong

1099
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: to put him on the downs that game. I was

1100
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 3: nervous about him going into that game. That's a tough

1101
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 3: matchup spot for him against those Dolphins concept.

1102
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: And just to further that point too, this is what

1103
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: such a massive part of the trickle down effect of

1104
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales, right, because so if Christian Goanzalez is healthy

1105
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: for this game, then maybe you can use Alex Austen

1106
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: in more of a nickel role. Yeah, and now maybe

1107
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: he has a chin coming.

1108
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: Out right, because you're gonna have it Gonzales and probably, honestly,

1109
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones on the two top receivers. Marcus Jones was

1110
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: solid in this game. But the problem was whoever Marcus

1111
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: Jones was covering, whether it was Wadle or Hill. They

1112
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: were just going to the other guy and picking on

1113
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: Alex Austin. Whereas if you have Marcus Jones and Christian Gonzalez,

1114
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: you're two speed corners on their two speed receivers. It's

1115
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: a lot easier. So obviously they didn't have them. You know,

1116
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: that's revision his history, but I think that that makes

1117
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: a change.

1118
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: Who's number three?

1119
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: Number three for me, just outside of Antonio Gibson. The

1120
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: special teams you have.

1121
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: I'm smiling because I actually had special teams for once.

1122
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 2: But so I.

1123
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: Feel wrong putting special teams with a kickoff return touchdown

1124
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: and I could have maybe nitpicked and done five guys

1125
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: and done like Andy Borgollis and Schooler missed a tackle

1126
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: and Charles Woods missed a tackle and you know what,

1127
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: I think it's easier. Just Antonio Gibson and Mac Hollans

1128
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: said a really good block on that kick return touchdown,

1129
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: So take them out of those. But Andy Borgollis misses

1130
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 3: two extra points. Credit to him. He comes back, he

1131
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: hits the fifty three yarder, absolute stones from the kid

1132
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: to do that, but then he puts the ensuing kickoff

1133
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: short of the landing zone, gives the Dolphins a short field, Like,

1134
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: that's not good. Bryce Baringer was really good. He had

1135
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: two seventy yard punts, but did he OutKick his coverage.

1136
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: I'll be interesting to hear, interested to hear if Jeremy

1137
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: Springer has anything to say about that, because one of

1138
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: them is a twenty yard return, which on a seventy

1139
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: yard punt, you'll still take that. But I almost feel

1140
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: like they used that return when Baringer hits another insane

1141
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: punt to come back the next rep and then they

1142
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: have the touchdown. And though Charles Woods had him wrapped

1143
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: up at one point, and brettan Schooler is not a

1144
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: guy that should be missing tackles, just giving his standing,

1145
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: so it was even with the kick return touchdown overall,

1146
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: and he had numbers of penalties on special teams. Overall

1147
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: a down game for special teams, even with the kick

1148
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: return touchdown.

1149
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: So you know, I usually leave the special teams for you.

1150
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: So I considered Morgan Moses, but he's playing on a

1151
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: bad tire, so I let that one.

1152
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 3: I mean, three fall starts is rough.

1153
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 2: I considered Morgan Moses. It wasn't great, but he's hurt,

1154
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: he's playing through injury. Yeah. I considered Trevion Henderson for

1155
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: the same reasons that you laid out. But he had

1156
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 2: the wheel route that was a nice play, had the screen.

1157
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: It was a rookie in his second NFL game, first

1158
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: road game in the NFL. I just think I'm morehead

1159
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: him on it because I agree with your analogis just

1160
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: let me just add this.

1161
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: We know in the past, and look, this was a

1162
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 3: few years ago and under a different head coach under Bilt.

1163
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: But we've seen how finicky Josh can be with rookie

1164
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: running backs, and you don't necessarily get a lot of chances,

1165
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: and we've seen guys screw up and you don't they

1166
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: you know, they essentially go missing for a few weeks.

1167
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: And now I don't know that the Patriots have the

1168
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: luxury to do that. I don't know if they have

1169
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: the depth or the speed on offense this depth are

1170
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 3: running back or speed on offense to do that. So

1171
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: maybe that won't be the case for Henderson. But if

1172
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: we're just gonna use historical context, you're a rookie running back,

1173
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: you have a game like that under Josh McDaniels, we

1174
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: might not see you for a month. I don't think

1175
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: that's gonna be what happens with Henderson, but it's a

1176
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 3: fair point. You have the thought.

1177
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: I would think with Henderson what we might see and

1178
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: this would probably drive fans just as nuts is like

1179
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: a package of plays, because his speed is so important

1180
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: to the offense as a whole, that he might just

1181
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: have a package of kind of game plans, scheme dump

1182
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: plays that he's involved in instead of just kind of

1183
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: throwing him out in the base offense. I considered Christian Ellis,

1184
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: who I thought was just as bad as Robert Spulaine

1185
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: in this game.

1186
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 3: Yah. Probably I probably should have just said linebackers.

1187
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: He almost frame, but I thought Robert Spolaine is just

1188
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: such an important piece for them that I wanted to

1189
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: talk about him. And I also considered Craig Woodson, who

1190
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: I thought just struggled in this game in deep coverage.

1191
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: But with Woodson, same kind of things Henderson's second career.

1192
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: He didn't want to put the rookies on the downs.

1193
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: I didn't want to put the rookies on the downs.

1194
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: And it was also the first time that he was

1195
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: going up as things are falling in the studio. It

1196
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: was the first time that he was going up against

1197
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Tyre Hill and Joe and Waddle, and like, those are

1198
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: the two of the best deep threats that you're going

1199
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: to face all season long. So I actually think this

1200
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: will be a good learning experience for Craig Woodson of

1201
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: how to handle that kind of speed in an NFL game.

1202
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: So I considered all those people from my third down,

1203
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: but I settled on special teams. Yeah, because this is

1204
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: going to annoy the crap out of me. If there

1205
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: are special teams? Is this bad? All season long? Four

1206
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: penalties on special teams? Brealis had, the two missed extra

1207
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: points and the seventy four yard punt return. Guys, it

1208
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: just can't happen, Like this team can't afford those types

1209
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: of things, and they put too much into special teams

1210
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: in terms of the roster. In terms of the coaching staff,

1211
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: they have too many cooks in that kitchen to be

1212
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: giving up backbreaking seventy four yard punt returns. It just

1213
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: can't happen. And I'm not trying to single out just

1214
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: Brandon Schooler, but you have an all pro on special

1215
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: teams covering the punt. You have Jeremy Springer, who I

1216
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 2: think is a good coach, and you also have Tom

1217
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: Quinn who's a really good special teams coach as well.

1218
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: They just have too much invested in that phase of

1219
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: the game. It has to be a strength of the team. Yeah,

1220
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: and they can't give up plays like that. You can't

1221
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: give up seventy four yard touchdowns. So through two weeks

1222
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: they are twenty eighth in the league in PFF grade

1223
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: on special teams, and they are twenty ninth in the

1224
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: league in DVOA on special teams. They are bottom five

1225
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: special teams in the NFL. Now, kicking has a big

1226
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: part of that. You know, when your field goal kicker

1227
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: is missing kicks, that's going to knock you down. But

1228
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: there They're coverage unit also hasn't been good enough. So

1229
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: the special teams needs to be better. We're gonna take

1230
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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 8: What's going on today?

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Speaker 9: Guys?

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Speaker 8: Hey, So I just wanted to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 8: a couple of things. The first thing, Drake May was

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Speaker 8: absolutely phenomenal. I thought on Sunday this was the first game.

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Speaker 8: Not only did I call him the postgame show and

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Speaker 8: say I thought he played his best NFL game, This

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Speaker 8: was the first time I think we might have seen

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Speaker 8: since twenty twenty the opener when Cam Cam was our

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Speaker 8: quarterback his first year against the Dolphins where the quarterback

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Speaker 8: actually put the team on his back and carried him

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Speaker 8: to a victory at least through the first three quarters

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Speaker 8: until that big kickoff return. Wanted to get your thoughts

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Speaker 8: on that, and I wrote in yesterday. I know it

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Speaker 8: was late because they didn't get to it on PU

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Speaker 8: but are either of you concerned about it? Seems like

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Speaker 8: three out of their four false starts on offense on

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Speaker 8: Sunday were caused by shifting and how did they wreck?

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Speaker 8: How does Rabel like get that out of their system?

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Speaker 8: And I'll take it out there, guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Patti, thanks for the call. It's a good point.

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Speaker 6: So the.

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Speaker 2: Dolphins defensive line was shifting right before the snap to

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Speaker 2: try to throw off the Patriots, and they did get

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Speaker 2: Morgan Moses especially a couple of times to jump just

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Speaker 2: by shifting the offensive line. And then there was another

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Speaker 2: procedural penalty that they had where they had two guys

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Speaker 2: going in motion at once. I think it was Hollins

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Speaker 2: and Henry were both in motion and they got called

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Speaker 2: for that as well. So a lot of those things

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Speaker 2: are obviously just locking in and focusing and not jumping,

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Speaker 2: but some of it also too, is cadence, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: like the one maybe nitpick with Drake in this game

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Speaker 2: is that some of that stuff is on Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Like it's his job to make sure that everybody is

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Speaker 2: settled in and as you know, on their p's and

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Speaker 2: q's and has a snap count ready, and the cadence

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Speaker 2: that he comes to line with and sort of the

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Speaker 2: flow that he that he you know, hikes the ball at.

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Speaker 2: I know it sounds like a little bit elementary or

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Speaker 2: just like kind of crazy, but it's honestly a huge

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Speaker 2: part of how they start every single play is his cadence.

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Speaker 2: So I do think that that's something that they need

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Speaker 2: to improve on. What did he said something about.

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Speaker 3: Special Drake Drake May taking the game over, which we

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Speaker 3: kind of talked about at the beginning, Like, yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: he put them on his back. He led them in

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Speaker 3: that game. He truly led them and elevated in that game.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Will is in Cranston. What's up?

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Speaker 10: Will?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 11: Guys?

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Speaker 12: How you doing today? A couple of things I want

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Speaker 12: to touch on today. I'm actually really excited to test

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Speaker 12: on defense this week against Pittsburgh's offense. I think that

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Speaker 12: Marcus Jones will match up well against Calvin Austin and

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Speaker 12: I think that Carlton Davis will match up well against

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Speaker 12: So pretty excited to watch those.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Just the other question that I had for you guys

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Speaker 12: was I think Travion Henderson will be a better matchup

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Speaker 12: this week than he was last week. Also, how do

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Speaker 12: you think we can stop the pressure from Pittsburgh? Considering

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Speaker 12: aw with TJ Watt and everybody I know, they are

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Speaker 12: a very blitz happy defense. So I would just like

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Speaker 12: to see what you guys thought with our new offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks will, thanks for the call, and that

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Speaker 2: that pretty much hits all of the notes I would

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Speaker 2: say about the Steelers matchup. Yeah, So I think the

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Speaker 2: one thing I would say with just with the Steelers

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Speaker 2: that I was going to get to you once we

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Speaker 2: kind of started to look at them a little bit

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Speaker 2: closer here in the second hour, is I'm caustiously optimistic

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Speaker 2: about this game because they have a ton of familiarity

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Speaker 2: with the Steelers coaching staff. Arthur Smith was Mike Brables

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in Tennessee and whether it was the Brady years,

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Speaker 2: I remember that Thursday night Bailey Zappi game in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Mac Joeans was throwing dimes to Nelson, Agalore and Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. With Matt Patricia calling plays. They've

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Speaker 2: always seemed to have a good feel for the Steelers

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Speaker 2: defense and for Mike Tomlin's system, and now Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 2: is back to kind of hit the notes that they

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Speaker 2: always used to hit over the years and against that

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Speaker 2: Steelers defense. So the familiarity with the coaching staff is

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Speaker 2: something that I think was a big factor in Week one.

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Speaker 2: And I know Patrick Graham was mcdaniels's decoordinator and he

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Speaker 2: probably should have had some familiarity, but Pete Carroll's influence

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Speaker 2: on the Raiders defense was pretty substantial, And I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they knew exactly, like whose defense was the

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Speaker 2: Raiders really gonna be? Were they going to be a

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Speaker 2: Patrick Graham defense or were they going to be a

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll defense. Having week to week as we go

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Speaker 2: here with the veterans staff that they do have, if

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Speaker 2: Rabel knows the guy, or if McDaniels knows the guy,

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Speaker 2: or they both know guys, like that's a huge advantage

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Speaker 2: to me about some of the things that the caller

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Speaker 2: brought up there of are they going to attack the

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Speaker 2: Steelers defense, how are they going to block it? How

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Speaker 2: are they going to handle Arthur Smith's offense and Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers on the other side. When you have that institutional knowledge,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's insignificant. I think that that's a

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Speaker 2: pretty big advantage for them in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean Vrabel helped game plan for them

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Speaker 3: twice last year in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's a good point as well. All Right,

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Speaker 2: we'll get to more of the Steelers though. Those are

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Speaker 2: good questions, but I want to hold off on that

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Speaker 2: just for a second. Connor is in New Hampshire. What's up? Connor?

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Speaker 13: Hey, guys, been listening since the pl and Cionla stays Sorry,

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Speaker 13: love it, but I wanted to know you kind of

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Speaker 13: talked about the changes the offense made from week one

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Speaker 13: to two. I'm wondering about kind of the changes especially

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Speaker 13: in the blitz the defense may and if that's something

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Speaker 13: that'll be, will be a lower blitzing team moving forward,

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Speaker 13: or if they had more to do with a different

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Speaker 13: play caller on defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor, thanks to the call. So it's a good point.

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Speaker 2: We kind of I waxed poetic about all the good

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Speaker 2: things that they did on offense, but they also went

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Speaker 2: in a totally different direction on defense. After blitzing the

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Speaker 2: heck out of Geno Smith in Week one, they only

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Speaker 2: blitzed to a one time this entire game. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that's about play caller, you know, difference in

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Speaker 2: play callers or anything like that. That's a game plan thing, like,

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Speaker 2: that's a matchup thing. When you have speed at the

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Speaker 2: skill positions and a really quick trigger in a quarterback

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Speaker 2: like Tua, I think blitzing the Miami Dolphins is not

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Speaker 2: the way to go, Like you are asking for big explosives.

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Speaker 2: And as much as I picked on the past defense

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Speaker 2: earlier on in the show, they did only give up

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Speaker 2: four explosives in this game to Miami. They gave up

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Speaker 2: nine of them in week one. They only gave up

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Speaker 2: four in week two. So they did a better job

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Speaker 2: of limiting explosive plays. Now, if they limit anything else,

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01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: like they had to do a great job overall, but

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Speaker 2: they did a better job of limiting explosive plays. So

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Speaker 2: what it tells me about the difference between the defensive

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Speaker 2: play calling from week one to week two is that

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Speaker 2: they're just gonna be a game plan defense. Like some

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Speaker 2: weeks they're gonna think that blitzing is gonna be the

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Speaker 2: best thing for them, and then some weeks they're gonna

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Speaker 2: think playing coverage is gonna be the best thing for them.

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Speaker 2: So how you know, do you agree with that or

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Speaker 2: what do you kind of see with those couple things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that could be as much game plan

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Speaker 3: or more game plan based than it is having a

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Speaker 3: different defensive play call. Like you said, it didn't make

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Speaker 3: sense to blitz Miami, I don't think it makes sense

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Speaker 3: to blitz this Steelers team a ton, at least initially,

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Speaker 3: probably more than they blitzed to Miami, but not the

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Speaker 3: fifty percent blitz right they had against the Raiders. You know,

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Speaker 3: for me, it's can you get pressure with four on

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers? And because you want as many guys in

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Speaker 3: coverage and tonight especially Gonzalese isn't out there, so he

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Speaker 3: has less obvious windows to throw into because you're not

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Speaker 3: gonna fool Aaron Rodgers. But if you can't get pressure

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Speaker 3: with four, then maybe you have to start sending the

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Speaker 3: blitz because you do need to get pressure on him.

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Speaker 3: You cannot give him all day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about DA but let's get

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Speaker 2: through these calls. First. Francisco is in North Carolina. What's up, Francisco?

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 10: All right, So I've got a couple of questions. So

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Speaker 10: my first question starts off with, uh, so I feel

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Speaker 10: like we should necessarily, not necessarily add a veteran presence,

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 10: but I feel like it wouldn't hurt to help with

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 10: adding a veteran presence in the dB room, like a

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Speaker 10: Stefan Gilmour out there. I feel like it'd be beneficial

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 10: for everybody to, you know, learn from somebody who's already

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Speaker 10: done it at a high level. And then second question

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Speaker 10: is you know yesterday's pu Fred asked you were the

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Speaker 10: origin of whit it's called the Yankee concept. I was

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Speaker 10: just wondering if you looked into that, and I'll take

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Speaker 10: it off there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thanks Francisco, thanks for the call. I

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Speaker 2: did not look into that. And this is uh, this

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Speaker 2: is one of my favorite fretisms that he likes to

1465
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: put me on the spot. Yeah, you know that these

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Speaker 2: concepts and things like that are are called things for

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: ridiculous reasons. Yeah, So the Steelers in the first two

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Speaker 2: weeks of the season, they u each game they got

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Speaker 2: beat on an explosive touchdown on the Yankee concept deep

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Speaker 2: post with the deep over route underneath it, and the

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Speaker 2: Jets and the and the Seahawks both hit touchdowns on

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Speaker 2: the same exact play from about the same field position

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Speaker 2: as well. And so yesterday on PU I called it

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Speaker 2: the Yankee concept because that's what it's most normally. That's

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Speaker 2: like sort of the general terminology for it. And I

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: had no idea why it was called that, And so

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: that was that atcha I did not I really understand.

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell everybody because I'm sure a

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 2: lot of people had no idea what he was talking about.

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Speaker 2: Sean is in Vancouver.

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Speaker 3: Just to go back, sorry, one second shot on the

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Speaker 3: Gilmore thing, because I've gotten asked to to watch at

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 3: the Patriots signed Steph on Gilmore. I yeah, I guess

1484
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: adding a veteran presence, I don't know. I think everyone

1485
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: needs to calm down for a little bit until Christian

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01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 3: Zoalz comes back. You know. I like Stephan Gilmour, and.

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: Isn't Carlton Davis supposed to be the veteran presidence. I

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: already have.

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Speaker 3: So there's that. And also between Gonzalez, Gilmour and Davis,

1490
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 3: none of those guys playing a slot. I don't think

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: you're moving any of them to safety. Is Gilmour gonna

1492
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: come here and just essentially sit on the bench, or

1493
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 3: how's it going to go over with Carlton Davis if

1494
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 3: he gets bench And you're obviously not benching Gilmore once

1495
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 3: he's healthy, Gonzalez once he's healthy. So unless you know

1496
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 3: Gonzalez is going to miss like a significant significant amount

1497
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: of time, which as right now is not expected to

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Speaker 3: be the case as far as we know. I just

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Speaker 3: I you're signing Stephan Gilmore because his name is Stephan Gilmore.

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 3: I don't think you're signing in for much more than that.

1501
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: And you know, if they're going to add a corner,

1502
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 3: maybe at a slock corner, get some death beyond Marcus Jones,

1503
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: But I don't think Stephan Gilmore is coming here to

1504
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: play a rotational role on team that may or may

1505
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 3: not make the playoffs.

1506
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: All right, Sean, go ahead, sorry about that.

1507
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, well done, no problem. I really hope goneto this

1508
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 14: back this week.

1509
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 11: That'd be great.

1510
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 14: And now last year, one of the criticisms, and there's

1511
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 14: been any that Patriots weren't really doing what allowing Drake

1512
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 14: May to do a quarterback snink. We finally saw that

1513
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 14: in Miami. The other thing I'd like to find out

1514
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 14: or see is if Drake May will do as design run. Well,

1515
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 14: you think that would come maybe against Pittsburgh or in

1516
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 14: the near future.

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 13: Leady on that.

1518
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Sean. So they did run a couple of

1519
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: them against the Raiders in Week one, and they ran

1520
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: a zone read on third and short on Sunday against

1521
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: the Dolphins that Remandre picked it up. The one thing

1522
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: that I would say about the design quarterback runs, you

1523
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: know me, I have no fear about him getting hurt.

1524
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 2: That's not on my why I'm not doing it. He

1525
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 2: needs to improve though a little bit and like holding

1526
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: the mesh a little bit longer and like really trying

1527
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: to get that defensive end to bite on the fake

1528
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: or on the read point the mesh points. It's not

1529
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: something that Drake is great at yet. And that's like

1530
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: a live in game field thing. You have to get

1531
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: better at it with reps, Like you're not going to

1532
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: be Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels at the mesh point

1533
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: right away. You have to do it over and over again,

1534
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: and so I think he needs to be a little

1535
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: bit better at those. The rule of thumb with those

1536
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: types of plays is the reed defender can't make the

1537
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: tackle right, So that's all you're trying to do. You're

1538
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: trying to put the reed defender, the unblocked defender that's

1539
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 2: reading the mesh out, You're trying to put him in conflict,

1540
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: and then you're trying to make him wrong no matter

1541
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: what he does. If he crashes down to the ball

1542
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 2: carrier to the back, then you take it off the

1543
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: edge as the quarterback. If he stays out and sets

1544
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: the edge of the defense, you hand it to the back,

1545
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: and you just want to make him wrong and make

1546
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: sure that the red defender doesn't make the tackle. If

1547
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: you do that, then you've done your job as the quarterback.

1548
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: So on the remandre a third and short one, Bradley

1549
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: Chubb should have made the tackle in the backfield and

1550
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: Rmande duked him in the backfield and got the first down.

1551
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: So that wasn't the best mesh point mechanics, so they

1552
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: have to do a little bit better job with that.

1553
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: They also they tried to bring Hunter Henry across the

1554
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: formation to try to block Chubb as well, and he

1555
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: ran into I can't remember exactly who it was, he

1556
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: collided with somebody on the way. It was just kind

1557
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: of a mess of a play, and Remandre actually bailed

1558
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: them out from what probably should have been a two

1559
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: yard loss in the backfield and just made a really

1560
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: good run. So another you know he was on our ups,

1561
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: but another one to credit Remandre with. Before we get

1562
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: back to more of these calls and emails, I do

1563
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about the Steelers and

1564
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers because I think a caller earlier kind of

1565
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: brought it up, and you were talking a little bit

1566
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,919
Speaker 2: about what to do against Aaron Rodgers. So watching Rogers,

1567
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: I watched both games so far from Pittsburgh over the

1568
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: last couple of days, and Rogers, I'm trying to I'm

1569
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 2: telling you on the way over here, I'm trying to

1570
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: come up with the best analogy for this. I don't

1571
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: know if I have yet, But Rogers can still throw

1572
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 2: the ball. He's still got a cannon, he can still

1573
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: sling it. There's no dip or drop off I would

1574
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: say whatsoever in terms of his arm talent, his athleticism,

1575
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: and his mobility is declining fast. He is immobile. At

1576
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: this point. His pressure desacarates the fifth highest in the league.

1577
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 2: This is Aaron Rodgers, like a guy that used to

1578
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: dance out of pressure and get out of sacks all

1579
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: the time earlier on in his career. So the best

1580
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 2: comp that I've come up with it is like late

1581
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: in a career of like a great shooter like a

1582
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: Ray Allen, where all he can do is stand in

1583
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: the corner and shoot threes. But he's so good at

1584
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: standing in the corner and shoot threes and shooting threes,

1585
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 2: it adds like five years to his NBA career. Like

1586
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: this is like Miami heat Ray Allen right now for

1587
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, where if you keep him clean in the

1588
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: pocket and he's just able to sit there and just

1589
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: drop dimes left and right, he can still do that

1590
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 2: with the best of them. The second he sees pressure,

1591
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: the second that he has to avoid sacks, he can't

1592
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 2: do it. So what's been the kryptonite for the Steelers

1593
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 2: for the first couple of weeks has been man coverage

1594
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: because you don't have to account for the quarterback because

1595
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 2: he can't run, so you just keep him in the pocket.

1596
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: You play man to man, bump and run on the

1597
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: outside and make him hold the football and then just

1598
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: hope that the pass rush gets there, and the pass

1599
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: rush is going to get there and suffocate him at

1600
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 2: some point. So that's been the blueprint that the Jets

1601
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 2: finally got to in that game a little bit. And

1602
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: then of course the Seahawks held them to you know,

1603
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: seventeen points, held him in check in Week two, but

1604
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: we broke down at the top of the show at

1605
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots have had a lot of issues and it's

1606
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 2: a man coverage, so it's kind of like, you know,

1607
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 2: a weakness on weakness sort of thing right now. Now,

1608
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: if they get Gonzo back, that changes. But the caller

1609
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 2: earlier said something that I agree with, Carlon Davis on

1610
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: dk YEP, Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin. They do like

1611
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 2: to run a lot of two tight ends a ton,

1612
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: like fifty percent of the time they have two tight

1613
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: ends on the field. So the tight ends and then

1614
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: Jalen Warren is a pretty good pass catching back at

1615
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: like a sixty plus yard catch and run in the

1616
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: game the other day against Seattle, so those are the

1617
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: parts that you kind of worry about. But there are

1618
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 2: two primary receivers DK and Calvin Austen. I don't hate

1619
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 2: how you match up against those two guys. If you

1620
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: want to play man to man.

1621
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. I agree with a lot of that.

1622
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 3: The other thing I'm interested in in this matchup and

1623
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 3: ESPN put a stat up this morning. Let me let

1624
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 3: me make sure I can find it here. We saw

1625
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: against the Dolphins and this was something I was big

1626
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 3: on after that game. The Patriots didn't run the ball

1627
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: all the right side, and I think it made them

1628
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: predictable and I think it really hurt their ability to

1629
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 3: run the ball. So ESPN had this this morning. Through

1630
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 3: two games this year, teams are running for six point

1631
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: six flat six yards per carry running away from TJ.

1632
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 3: Watt and two and a half yards per carry running

1633
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: towards TJ. Watt.

1634
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,839
Speaker 2: So they're ready for another wonky.

1635
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 3: Is it going to be a lops? I don't want

1636
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 3: to see him do it. You got to run at

1637
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: him at least a little bit to upset timing and

1638
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: see what you can get over there.

1639
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: And they've gotten gashed on the ground, though.

1640
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 3: They have gotten gashed on the ground. So if you

1641
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 3: can do it running off the left side, you do

1642
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: it running off the left side. But don't I would

1643
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: hope they don't handcuff cuff themselves in the run game

1644
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 3: like they did against the Raiders.

1645
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just it's interesting because they've gotten gash on

1646
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 2: the ground for the most part of those. Zach Sharbonay

1647
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: kind of struggled in his carries, but Kenneth Walker averaged

1648
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: eight yards of carry, so this might be one of

1649
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: those games again, not to you know, pick on Remandre,

1650
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 2: but isn't Ramandre is a little bit more Zach Sharbonay

1651
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: than he is Kenneth Walk and Zach Charbonay's issue as

1652
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: they were trying to run off tackle and he just

1653
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have the speed to get out there. So maybe

1654
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: this could be a bigger Gibson Henderson game. We'll try

1655
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: to get that speed and get to the edge away

1656
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: from TJ. Watt because that's exactly what the Seahawks did,

1657
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 2: and they ran the ball effectively and then they play

1658
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: action defectively.

1659
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: Along those lines too.

1660
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 8: Though.

1661
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 3: To go back to the Jets game, and obviously the

1662
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 3: Jets are running a pretty unique game playing at this point,

1663
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 3: but Justin Fields had a good game on the ground.

1664
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: So to what you were talking about about the drake

1665
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: made designed runs, do you maybe bring some of that.

1666
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 2: Back you could. Justin Fields did a good job with that.

1667
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: Uh in week one, Like you said, they also ran

1668
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: like a naked boot down by the goal line where

1669
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: he just like waltzed in for a touchdown. So the

1670
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: boots and some of the misdirection, I.

1671
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 3: Mean he ran even he ran for four yards to

1672
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: carry like that's yeah.

1673
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: I just watching the Seahawks tape. They ran outside zone

1674
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: duo and they ran one play of a wide zone

1675
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: lead with the full back right, so still outside zone

1676
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 2: blocking up front, but the full back is on the way.

1677
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 3: You see the full back to the Steelers last week.

1678
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: You see Robbi Oots last week.

1679
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: So the full back was it was that Robby Oots,

1680
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: the Seahawks full back. Yeah, Oh, I didn't know that.

1681
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 3: I was clearing guys out.

1682
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he took He absolutely pancaked the dude on

1683
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 2: like a pretty big run.

1684
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 3: For wasn't there one He pancakes one linebacker into another linebacker.

1685
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 3: He takes two guys out.

1686
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. They so the full he was, I didn't know that.

1687
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't studying the Seahawks.

1688
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: But you're watching the the You're watching the Steelers defense.

1689
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: Weren't you? Yeah? But I was watching the All twenty two?

1690
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: But you never look, Oh, this guy's made some plays.

1691
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: Who is that not the no?

1692
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: Nor you should? Yeah? Maybe I should? You right? So

1693
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 2: the uh that's how they ran it. I agree with you.

1694
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: The Jets were a little bit more option heavy with

1695
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 2: justin fields. I expect the Patriots to try to run

1696
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 2: it traditionally down their throats. That that's what I would expect.

1697
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 2: But you could be right. It could be more of

1698
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: the option stuff, especially if more of that, but just

1699
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: mixing it in well Hayward and Watt. If they start

1700
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: to take over the traditional run game, then they might

1701
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 2: need to do some more deception and more trickery there.

1702
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: The Steelers they played a lot more man coverage. I

1703
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: know a lot of people think of the Steelers and

1704
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 2: they think of Cover three and blitzberg and like all

1705
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. They've transitioned to a lot more

1706
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: man coverage. They're forty one percent man coverage through two weeks.

1707
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 2: They blitz a lot. They're top five in the league

1708
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: in blitz rate. So a lot of their coverages are

1709
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: single high safety man coverage and they have Ramsey and

1710
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: Darius Slay on the outside. Ramsey made a really good

1711
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 2: play on his pick last week undercutting out, but other

1712
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 2: than that, he kind of got torched in that game.

1713
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 2: I gave up over one hundred yards in coverage, and

1714
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: the week before Darius Slay kind of struggled. So you're

1715
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 2: gonna have some single coverage opportunities. You're gonna be able

1716
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: to attack those two guys. They're gonna leave those two

1717
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 2: guys on islands over the top and if you can

1718
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: get some separation down the field. The Steelers are giving

1719
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: up This is an insane stat and I know it's

1720
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 2: super small sample size of just two games. They are

1721
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 2: giving up an explosive pass play on twenty four of

1722
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 2: their pass plays.

1723
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 3: That's wild.

1724
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 2: They've given up fourteen plays over fifteen yards in the

1725
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 2: passing game through two weeks. They are having a lot

1726
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: of trouble with explosives, both in the pass and the

1727
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: run game, and they're kind of getting torched by it.

1728
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 2: This is not the Steelers defense. People will expect it.

1729
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: They have five Pro Bowlers on defense and they have

1730
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 2: not been good through two weeks. So you can look

1731
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: at it this one way. You can sit there and say, well,

1732
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: they're bound to, you know, get back to where they're

1733
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: supposed to be, right your aggression to the mean right,

1734
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: they're bound to get back there. But at the same time,

1735
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: through five weeks or two weeks, to excuse me, they've

1736
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 2: really struggled on defense. They're down near the bottom of

1737
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: the league in pretty much every statistical category on defense.

1738
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see this game because McDaniel should

1739
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: know them pretty well, you should know what to expect,

1740
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: and the Steelers just haven't covered very well or stopped

1741
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: the run very well. So I'm interested to see if

1742
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: the Patriots can continue what they did last week in Miami.

1743
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: I think they can. I think the same kind of

1744
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 2: formula could work again this week. You know, outside zone

1745
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: duo to get downhill bootlegs. That was a big part

1746
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 2: of Sea Seattle average thirteen yards per play action pass

1747
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: attempt in this game last week on Sunday. It's all

1748
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,919
Speaker 2: the same notes and Clint Kubiak is a Shanahan disciple.

1749
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: He coached under Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco, So it's

1750
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: all the same things that the Patriots did in Miami

1751
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: last week, the Seahawks did to the Steelers defense on

1752
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 2: Sunday in Pittsburgh and they scored thirty one points, like

1753
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: they won the game going away. So I think a

1754
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: lot of those same notes are going to exist for

1755
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots again this week, and they should have some

1756
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: success with them. And I can't wait. I can't wait

1757
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 2: to see Aaron Rodgers too, trying to run away from

1758
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: Harold Andrey and Milton Williams. Like if I'm the Patriots,

1759
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do everything I can to get Aaron

1760
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: Rodgers to hold the football because he's going down like

1761
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 2: a sack of potatoes right now in the pocket when

1762
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: he gets pressured. So that Doull. Those are two things,

1763
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, hitting the Steelers on those explosives and then

1764
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: getting to Rogers.

1765
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the key.

1766
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: That's the key to the game right there. Let's get

1767
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 2: back to the calls. Eldred is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Oh? Yeah,

1768
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: there we go.

1769
01:24:55,160 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 11: Hey, Hey, good, oh question, I was listening to you.

1770
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 11: I know they got Ramsey and they got late, but

1771
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 11: our receivers last week, I know the game plan changed

1772
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 11: for different things. But then we got enough enough power

1773
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 11: to get get past those guys, even though I think

1774
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 11: the other two teams they had some fast receivers they

1775
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 11: got by. So that's why I was wondering, and Evan,

1776
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 11: I ain't gonna take my victory I ain't gonna take

1777
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 11: my victory lap yet. I don't wait to the middle

1778
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 11: of the season. Quentin Johnson and Dante Thoort, like I

1779
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 11: was saying before, I'm gonna tack my laps after that,

1780
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 11: especially after the last week's performance. But other than that,

1781
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 11: proudly may I hope everybody goes does well and we

1782
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 11: win later.

1783
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: Got thanks, Aldred, appreciate it. Strive safe all right, Yeah,

1784
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 2: I said yesterday he called into PU and he didn't

1785
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: take a victory lap. On on Dante Thornton and Quentin Johnson,

1786
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: who both had good games in that Monday night game.

1787
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 2: From what I saw, did I went to bed. Honestly

1788
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: at half time, I didn't see the whole game, but

1789
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: they looked like they played pretty well. Johnson hadn't had

1790
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 2: like a sixty yard touchdown on a deep post from

1791
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: from Herbert in that game, so good, good for Eldred.

1792
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: You mentioned the receivers. And this is a point that

1793
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: we've gotten a ton of emails about Alex. I'm glad

1794
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: that Aldred segued us in to the wide receivers in

1795
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: the bag of things that are not so good about

1796
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots right now after that win and you know,

1797
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: fine high after beating Miami, what's your Pop Douglas take?

1798
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: You know what's going on with Pop Douglas played fifteen

1799
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: snaps in this game. I believe it was just wasn't

1800
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: part of the game plan. Just really wasn't in the

1801
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: game plan. And I don't think this is necessarily an

1802
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: indictment on Pop. It wasn't like he did something wrong

1803
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: and right bench or was pulled from the game. He

1804
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: just I don't think he was really planning on being

1805
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: involved in this way.

1806
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have the percentage, but the

1807
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 3: exact percentages, but they were in heavy personnel twelve, twenty one,

1808
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: twenty two a lot more than they were in Week one.

1809
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 3: And he's not a guy like he's the third receiver.

1810
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: We've talked about this.

1811
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: He's not a base receiver, right.

1812
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 3: He's not a receiver that you use when you're in

1813
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 3: a two receiver set, and I think even when they

1814
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 3: were in the three receiver set, mac Hollands seeing more time,

1815
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 3: I think they wanted their better blockers out there to

1816
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 3: try to get the run game going, which they did. Now,

1817
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 3: the question is was that a Miami Dolphins game plan

1818
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 3: thing or was that a sign of things to come.

1819
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 3: I've said it and I'm gonna keep saying it. His

1820
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: ability to create after the catch, his straight line speed.

1821
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: They need that in the offense. Now. If he's not

1822
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 3: gonna give it to them, maybe they get it from

1823
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. He would be the guy that kind of

1824
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 3: compares the closest. But they're gonna need to get him

1825
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 3: going eventually, or at least figure out if they can't

1826
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 3: get him go and get Kyle Williams going. But I

1827
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 3: think for this game it was about how they wanted

1828
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 3: to match it up and wanting those blockers out there.

1829
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 3: And we'll see moving forward when there's matchups that you

1830
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 3: know or more you're gonna try to hunt, getting him

1831
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: on linebackers and on safeties and creating space and getting

1832
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 3: yards after the catch. Does he get more involved there

1833
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 3: or do they continue to go away because they want

1834
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 3: the bigger personnel, or they simply just move on to

1835
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. I will say it again, I do not

1836
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 3: think Efton Chisholm is his replacement right e ft And

1837
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 3: Chishlm is more in the role steph On Diggs's in

1838
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 3: right now, Pop Douglas. There's a straight line speed elements

1839
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: his game that Efton chism doesn't have. That is what

1840
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 3: I think makes it key that they get him or

1841
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams going to some extent at some point, ft

1842
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 3: And Chishm's going to be more in a Diggs roll

1843
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: where where it's the oman role, it's it's it's the

1844
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: short area of quickness and reliable hands and route running

1845
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 3: and things like that.

1846
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: So to your point about the personnel groupings, they were

1847
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 2: in twelve personnel, so one back, two tight ends on

1848
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: twenty snaps. Yeah, and then they had a couple of

1849
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 2: two back packages two one pony and then one with

1850
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 2: the full back, which accounted for thirteen So and then they.

1851
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 3: Were in twenty two a handful of times two I think, yes.

1852
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: So thirty three out of their fifty five snaps were

1853
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 2: what we would call heavy groupings. They played twenty two

1854
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: snaps and three wide receiver so snaps and.

1855
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 3: Three wide receiver. Yeah, so Pop Douglas was still on

1856
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 3: the field for the majority of those, they were just less.

1857
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 2: Of them, right, And so that that's a big part

1858
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: of it to me, is that he's just not a

1859
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 2: base receiver. Yeah, he is a slot receiver that comes

1860
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: in in eleven personnel like he is a three receiver

1861
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: package guy. He's a slot receiver in that respect, even

1862
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 2: not skill set wise, but like in that respect, I

1863
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,480
Speaker 2: would think, you know, the comparison is like more Danny Amandola,

1864
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: right that that's kind of the role that Pop Douglas

1865
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: is playing right now for this team. He's not playing

1866
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: the Z receiver role. He's not Julian Edelman. He is

1867
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 2: Danny Amandola. Julian Edelman right now is Stefan Diggs, Right.

1868
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 2: So that that's I think a good comp right now. Again,

1869
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 2: not skill set wise, but just usage wise of how

1870
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: they're using Pop Douglas. They wanted to get Mac Collins's

1871
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 2: run blocking into this game, yeah, And whether you agree

1872
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: with that or not is your decision. I personally do

1873
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 2: because I see the advantages that it brings in their

1874
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 2: early down base offense of when he blocks, He's a

1875
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 2: good blocker. He's an effective blocker, and then all of

1876
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 2: the play action stuff they built off of that comes

1877
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: because they have to worry about Mac Collins being a

1878
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 2: plus blocker. If Mac Collins is a speed bump on

1879
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: the way to the ball carrier, then those linebackers in

1880
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: the safeties they're not going to bite on play action

1881
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 2: when Mac Collins comes to block them if they don't

1882
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: have to worry about Mac Collins being a good blocker.

1883
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: So they wanted to get Mac Collins's blocking. They didn't

1884
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: play a lot of three wide receiver. And the other

1885
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: element to this that I do think is a part

1886
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 2: of it. They're seeing so much zone coverage. Through the

1887
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: first two weeks of the season. They're seeing zone coverage

1888
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: over eighty three percent of the time when Drake May

1889
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: drops back to pass. We have talked about this a

1890
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 2: lot on this show. I thought he did a better

1891
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,480
Speaker 2: job of it in the summer, and I hope that continues.

1892
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: But Pop Douglas is a man coverage beating receiver. Yeah,

1893
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: when you can get him on a matchup in man

1894
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 2: to man. He's a dynamic route runner. He's extremely quick,

1895
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: he's bursty, he is a man to man coverage winner,

1896
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: that is where he thrives. So when you see eighty

1897
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: three percent of the time when you're in zone for

1898
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 2: the defense, and we can kind of unpack that as

1899
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 2: an element too, But when it's eighty three percent of

1900
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: the time zone, to me, like, you're gonna want your

1901
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: more zone reliable players in those spots. Whether it's Digs, Hollins,

1902
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 2: tight ends, you know, those types of players are going

1903
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 2: to be the guys that when they settle down in

1904
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: those zones and they present a nice, big quarterback friendly target, like,

1905
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 2: that's going to be a lot easier for Drake May

1906
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: to throw those passes to those receivers settling in those

1907
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 2: zone voids than it is to hit a five foot

1908
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: eight receiver settling into a zone void. It's just it

1909
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's a body type thing, it's

1910
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: a skill set thing. Pop's going to get playing time.

1911
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Pop's gonna play, and he's gonna have certain games. Maybe

1912
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: this week, if the Steelers come out and they play

1913
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of man coverage like they have in the

1914
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: first two weeks, then I think Pop's gonna play and

1915
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a factor in the game. So I'm

1916
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 2: not worried about it with Pop Douglas. I actually, in

1917
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 2: some respects it shows to me that the coaching staff

1918
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: has a good feel for the roster, because if they

1919
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: put Pop Douglas out there to kick out the force,

1920
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 2: you know, block in the in the run game, and

1921
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: play as a base receiver and all this different stuff,

1922
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 2: like they would put you putting him in a position

1923
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 2: to fail, Like it just isn't what his skill set

1924
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 2: is necessarily lending itself to. I think he'll play plenty

1925
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,520
Speaker 2: once they get into some more of these man coverage matchups.

1926
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: One of the things about the zone thing, though I

1927
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about. You could chock it up

1928
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 2: to two games, small sample size, but eighty three percent

1929
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: zone is a lot of zone coverage. Yeah, and a

1930
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: feel for the way I look at it, if we

1931
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 2: want to look into it and not just chalk it

1932
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: up to sample size. Is this a Drake May thing?

1933
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: Where the blueprint on Drake May is that he's not

1934
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 2: consistent with his accuracy. So let's keep him in the pocket.

1935
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Let's make him pick us apart, just like the Raiders

1936
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 2: were able to do in Week one, and let's not

1937
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 2: let his legs and his mobility beat us is that

1938
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: as do you see that? Because you play man coverage

1939
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: and everybody runs down the field with their man and

1940
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 2: everything clears out and there sees part like he's just

1941
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: gonna take off. We've seen that and he's been really

1942
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 2: effective scrambler his rookie season. So I expect to see

1943
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 2: the Patriots facing a ton of zone this year. I

1944
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 2: think that that's gonna be the book. All eyes on

1945
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

1946
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: They're going to do it until he gives him a

1947
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 3: reason not.

1948
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,839
Speaker 2: To, right, Yeah. And I do think that the boots

1949
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: that helps. That helps a lot against zone. It's not

1950
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 2: asking him to just drop back pass against zone coverage

1951
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 2: all the time. When you boot, not only does it

1952
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 2: cut the field in half, but the misdirection if you

1953
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 2: have zone eyes and everybody's eyes are in the backfield

1954
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: at the snap because everybody's looking at the quarterback, and

1955
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 2: then you change the point of attack by bootlegging, then

1956
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: you get everybody flow in one way and then the

1957
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: balls out the other direction. Right that That that's a

1958
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 2: very good way to mess with the eyes. Like all

1959
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 2: of this is eyes. It's all eye discipline and being

1960
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: able to see, you know, decipher and process for corners

1961
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: and safeties. If you get those eyes in the wrong

1962
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,759
Speaker 2: places by looking in the backfield, at the at the action,

1963
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: the run action, then you can really help it. Drake

1964
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: with zone, and they hit a couple of plays in

1965
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 2: this game that way against zone. Let's get back to

1966
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 2: the phone. So Christian is in LA. What's up, Christian?

1967
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 15: Hey you guys, nice to talk to you on your

1968
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 15: own show. Yes, sir, get to chill, relax, talk, do

1969
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 15: some strategy. I love the x's and part of your show.

1970
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 15: It's an amazing show and I love you guys for it.

1971
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 8: Thank you you.

1972
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 15: You guys have been talking about like how Pittsburgh's defenses

1973
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 15: or the running packs at this time. To me, week

1974
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 15: three is kind of what week two is kind of

1975
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 15: a liar because week three seems to be the week

1976
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 15: that that the adjustments really kick in. You figure out

1977
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 15: what you're good at, what's just bad at this early stage,

1978
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 15: and you make those adjustments. So I don't I don't

1979
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 15: really see Pittsburgh allowing the same run defense that they've

1980
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 15: had over the last.

1981
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 16: Couple of weeks.

1982
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 15: They figured out now we have a little bit of

1983
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 15: problem running. So I don't know if they're going to

1984
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 15: be able to run the ball the same way the

1985
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 15: last two teams have run on Pittsburgh one of the

1986
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 15: opposite on the opposite side. You know, let me just say,

1987
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 15: I've never actually been impressed with DK Metcalfs with route running.

1988
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 15: I think he's fast, big and sean and can go

1989
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 15: oh yes, But I think he lacked the subtlety in

1990
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 15: his route running to really be a threat to to

1991
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 15: to rip a team apart. So I don't see that

1992
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 15: we're really you know, have to worry too much about

1993
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 15: their receivers. Rogers it still has a very strong arm,

1994
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 15: but he's kind of a mobile now. So if we

1995
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 15: can just contain him in, I think we've got a

1996
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 15: really good shot to keep their offense at bay. On

1997
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 15: our offensive side, I think it's time to unleash Kyle Williams.

1998
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 15: No team has tape on him. They don't know what

1999
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 15: we can do and how we can use him. I

2000
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 15: know he can get behind them, and I just feel

2001
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 15: like this Sunday is going to be our Kyle Williams

2002
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 15: and Trey Von Hennison's breakout day. I would also like

2003
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 15: last thing is for it to be a Stefan Diggs

2004
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 15: breakout game and isn't by week four, I think we

2005
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 15: should look at trading Stefan Digs and getting a pick

2006
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 15: for him. What do you guys think?

2007
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Christian. So to the Kyle Williams thing,

2008
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Williams is in a similar boat as

2009
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. Like, Kyle Williams, I think is going to

2010
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 2: be a lot more dangerous against teams that play a

2011
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 2: lot of man to man like whereas speed and his

2012
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 2: route running and his releases can can really give teams trouble.

2013
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 2: So again, if the Steelers come out and the brand

2014
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 2: of defense they've played in the first two weeks, which

2015
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: they might not because they've gotten Torch, so they might

2016
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: just kind of throw it out and say we got

2017
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: to start over here. They Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams like

2018
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: this might be more of their kind of game for

2019
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 2: that reason, So you might get that to the Digs thing.

2020
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a little bit defensive with Stefon Diggs. Yeah,

2021
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 2: it's not because of what happened earlier with you know,

2022
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 2: his press conference a couple of weeks ago. It's not

2023
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 2: that I just think that he's been exactly what I

2024
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: wanted him to be for this team so far, and

2025
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: those high leverage gotta have it third and fourth down,

2026
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 2: late down opportunities when they go for it on fourth down.

2027
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 2: And in the beginning of the game against Miami, the

2028
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 2: way that he ran that route and just how calm,

2029
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 2: cool collected he was, and how quarterback friendly he was.

2030
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: That's why he's here. He's here to move the chains.

2031
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: And maybe he's not gonna have have the you know,

2032
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 2: a thousand plus yards or average over ten yards to

2033
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 2: carry or catch excuse me, like he used to. But

2034
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 2: for Drake, like, it's so calming, and it's so important

2035
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 2: for him to have a receiver that in third down

2036
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 2: and eight with the game on the line, he can

2037
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 2: go to Digs and he can trust Digs to get open.

2038
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 2: Like that's such a crucial thing for a quarterback. I

2039
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 2: can't understand how important and how just much pressure that

2040
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: takes off the quarterback to know that he has a

2041
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: go to guy in those situations. So if all Pop

2042
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 2: Dougley or excuse me, Digs does is move the chains

2043
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 2: on third and fourth down, that's worth the money to

2044
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 2: me because they just haven't had that guy. They haven't

2045
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 2: had that guy probably since Jacoby myself. So like really

2046
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 2: since Edelman, like they haven't had that guy and that

2047
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: reliability and that ability to focus in there is just

2048
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 2: it's huge for this team. What we're gonna say.

2049
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 3: Let's also not forget he's less than a year removed

2050
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 3: from a torn acl Like there is going to be

2051
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 3: a build up process. You're not gonna get the steph

2052
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 3: On Diggs you got in Buffalo, Nobody. You shouldn't be

2053
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 3: of that assumption if he's moving the chains for you

2054
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 3: and coming up big on third down and fourth down

2055
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 3: and things like that. He was there leading receiver among

2056
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 3: wide receivers on Sunday, Like you can't you can't talk

2057
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 3: about trading him. That they need him on this team

2058
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,759
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, there's no the breakout game might not happen.

2059
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 3: He might just steadily be five catches fifty yards for

2060
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 3: them for first downs, like that might be what he

2061
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 3: is each week. Great, that's and all they're paying him

2062
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 3: this much money and blah blah blah. It's a lot

2063
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:39,480
Speaker 3: of incentives.

2064
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: And plus when it's again when it's like the money downs,

2065
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 2: when it's third and seven and the game is on

2066
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: the line and he picks up eight or nine yards.

2067
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 2: It's worth it.

2068
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 3: It's having a guy that can do that consistently and regularly.

2069
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 3: They haven't had that since Kobe Myers. Yeah, you need

2070
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 3: somebody who you rely on to do that. And I

2071
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 3: know people like Fton Chisholm. He had a really good

2072
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 3: summer and I who think he is a future in

2073
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 3: this league. I don't know that with a young quarterback,

2074
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 3: you're just turning to an undrafted rookie kind of sight

2075
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 3: unseen in such a major role.

2076
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 2: So the other thing that Christian brought up there was

2077
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: the run game in Pittsburgh, adjusting and being better against

2078
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 2: the run, which I think is possible. Especially Hayward and TJ.

2079
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 2: Watt is saying like enough of this run game nonsense,

2080
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: like we're kind of taking over. What I think is

2081
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 2: interesting though about the Patriots run game from Week one

2082
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 2: to week two. They actually had almost identical success rates

2083
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 2: in week one to week two. I know it didn't

2084
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 2: feel like that, but they were thirty six percent success

2085
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: rate in week two and a thirty five percent success

2086
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 2: rate in week one. Now, they had a couple of

2087
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 2: explosive runs in week two that it didn't get in

2088
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 2: week one. M Andre's twenty one yarder and Gibson's fifteen

2089
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 2: yarder were big plays in this game. But you just

2090
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 2: see the balance and how important that balance is to

2091
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 2: just setting up play action and even if they don't

2092
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 2: run the ball super effectively, just committing to the run

2093
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 2: early in the game, like they did on Sunday where

2094
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 2: they came out against the Dolphins. I think they ran

2095
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 2: the ball on the first three plays of the game

2096
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 2: that all it does is just set up everything else

2097
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 2: that they're trying to do. So even if they're not

2098
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 2: running the ball super effectively, I think what they learned

2099
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: from Week one is that you have to still stick

2100
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: with the run game in the second half. Like they

2101
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 2: went away from the run game in the second half

2102
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,719
Speaker 2: against the Raiders and they lost all of the window

2103
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 2: dressing from the offense. They lost all the play action,

2104
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 2: they lost all the bootlegging, they lost all the motions. Right,

2105
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 2: it was stagnant drop back pass and they just can't

2106
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: play that way. So I think that they learned their

2107
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 2: lesson on that. You know, they ran the ball traditionally

2108
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 2: in Week one seventeen times. In Week two that was

2109
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 2: twenty five times. Like that's just a big difference. Yeah,

2110
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's a huge difference. All Right, Mark is

2111
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 2: in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

2112
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, how you guys doing today?

2113
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Good bat?

2114
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 9: All right, just got two quick things for you are

2115
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 9: one observation and then the other one a question. The

2116
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 9: first observation that I noticed, and I've been calling for

2117
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 9: for a long time on is to use Drake May's abilities,

2118
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 9: which is the rolling out of the pocket and getting

2119
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 9: them on the move to throw. And that was just

2120
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 9: amazing that I saw in the second game versus Miami

2121
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 9: that they did a lot of that and he just

2122
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 9: looked really comfortable doing that, and I'm hoping that they'll

2123
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 9: keep incorporating those kind of, you know, attributes that the

2124
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 9: kid has into that. The question that I have.

2125
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 15: Is Kyle Williams.

2126
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 9: Is he a guy that is able to beat the

2127
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 9: zone coverage on the outside with his speed and the

2128
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 9: strong hands that the kid has. That's my question on

2129
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 9: you guys.

2130
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, Yeah, it's a good question. I I look

2131
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 2: at Kyle Williams as the guy that's going to be

2132
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 2: better off against man like when they can get him

2133
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage, open them up, get his

2134
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 2: speed going, get the dynamic routes similar different body types,

2135
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 2: Like he's a little bit bigger than Pop Douglas, but

2136
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 2: similar idea as Pop Douglas, where Hollins booty digs. Like

2137
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 2: those guys are the guys to me that are the

2138
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 2: zone beating receivers that are going to find those soft

2139
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 2: spots that are going to know, you know, if it's

2140
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 2: to cover two, you know, too high safety, like the

2141
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 2: corner is going to be trapping or squatting in the

2142
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 2: flat and like where's that hole right behind him? Or

2143
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 2: if it's cover three, do you have that ability to

2144
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 2: run off the corner and then kind of hitch you

2145
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 2: know underneath it. Like those types of things I think

2146
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 2: are more a feel for those guys. And again if

2147
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 2: the Steelers play a lot of man coverage, because I

2148
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: can tell by the calls and the emails that people

2149
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,919
Speaker 2: want to get Douglas and Kyle Williams going.

2150
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like you want this because the offense

2151
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 3: needs the speed and that's not I don't want to

2152
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 3: come across as saying those guys are you know the

2153
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 3: fast and conversation there's an and with both of them.

2154
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas his ability to win at the top of

2155
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 3: the route and manage his ability to create after the catch.

2156
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams had to release his ability to get off

2157
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: the line. He has an ability to create after the

2158
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 3: catch as well. But I get it. You want to

2159
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 3: get the speed going that you can't force it. You

2160
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 3: also don't want to just force it and kind of

2161
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 3: handcuff yourself from everything else you're doing.

2162
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So a couple of emails to wrap up the

2163
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:24,839
Speaker 2: show here. So one theory on running left versus running

2164
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: right and favoring running left was this is from will

2165
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 2: and Toronto talking about the stunting on the left side

2166
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 2: that we saw in the preseason that gave Campbell and

2167
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson problems. I think one of the things that

2168
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,639
Speaker 2: you might be seeing, and this could go either way.

2169
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 2: I could hear arguments for both sides. They're running a

2170
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: lot more outside zone and actually an outside zone. I

2171
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 2: would say the backside blocks are just as important as

2172
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 2: the front side blocks because you're trying to set up

2173
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 2: those cutback lanes back through the middle of the field.

2174
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 2: So if they feel like Moses and on anywhere, they're

2175
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 2: run blockers like they might. Actually sometimes teams will run

2176
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 2: outside zone away from their best blocker so that he

2177
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 2: can try to pin down the defense and create those

2178
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: cutback lanes, So that might be a part of it.

2179
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 2: Duo is kind of similar, where like if you run duo,

2180
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: you're running towards the tight end usually in duo, And

2181
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, then like again like

2182
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 2: kind of bouncing or cutting up the field, it might

2183
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: be the better path. And if you put your best

2184
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 2: blockers on the backside of duo, then you might be

2185
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 2: able to kind of set up a crease for them

2186
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 2: to cut back that way too. So they did run

2187
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 2: power right behind Morgan Moses in the right side, and

2188
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 2: Morgan Moses and Austin Hooper were on a double team

2189
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 2: that caved in the line and got that twenty one

2190
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 2: yard run going. So maybe it's your thing is just

2191
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 2: the simplest path forward, right, Like, yeah, your best run

2192
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 2: blockers run right behind them, But I do think some

2193
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: of the schemes that they're running in the run game

2194
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 2: now might favor your best run blockers actually being on

2195
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 2: the back side of the run instead of the front

2196
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 2: side of the run. Plus, like, if you want to

2197
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 2: try to get the edge on the outside zone, like

2198
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 2: Campbell's much more likely to get the edge than Morgan

2199
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 2: Moses because of his athleticism. So this is from John

2200
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 2: and Louisiana. He's making fun of you, Alex. So, Alex,

2201
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 2: I watched you and Brian Hines shout out Brian Hines

2202
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Dolphins versus Patriots preview, and you said, I quote, if

2203
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: you want to be that team, go be Miami. We

2204
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 2: look at all the motion. He just does sound like

2205
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 2: something that you would say. Yeah, and that's all that was.

2206
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 2: We're playing in my head Sunday because Miami was motioning

2207
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 2: us to death. I blame you because that was an

2208
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 2: all time quote. Lol.

2209
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 3: Who won the game? Which in which coaches? In which

2210
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 3: coach is going to be employed at this time next week?

2211
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 2: Who ran more motion this week versus last week? Patriots?

2212
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 3: Okay, well, the Patriots motion had purpose, the Dolphins got

2213
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 3: called for a costly illegal shift penalty, that's true. And again,

2214
01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 3: who won the game?

2215
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 2: Do they?

2216
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: I have no problem with motion with purpose. Yes, we're

2217
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 3: gonna run this guy back and forth left and right

2218
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:10,600
Speaker 3: five times because we just want to wear out your corner. Eh.

2219
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 2: As Josh McDaniel said, motioning is fun, which I'm his

2220
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 2: my words, not his. I think that that's kind of

2221
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 2: him being like, all right, your cute little motion, but

2222
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: it's okay.

2223
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, I think that I think the Dolphins

2224
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:27,839
Speaker 3: motion at times out of hubers. I think Mike McDaniel

2225
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 3: wants to look cool and wants people to post the

2226
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 3: clips on Twitter and be like, what a genius this

2227
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:32,679
Speaker 3: guy looks fancy.

2228
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.

2229
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 3: Doesn't do anything. Sometimes it does, so I'm not saying

2230
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 3: it always doesn't. But and are the motions he's doing legal?

2231
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 3: And if he's getting away with it, fine, credit to him.

2232
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 2: But I don't think that their motions at the snap

2233
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 2: always have a purpose. The cheap motions where they motion

2234
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 2: he'll into the route is like impossible to defend.

2235
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 3: You mean the one where he gets a running start.

2236
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's impossible to defend. Uh. Since that email

2237
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: is picking on you, I'll pick on myself with this email.

2238
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 2: Noah emails an Alex are you hearing this? Evan's a

2239
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 2: run game apologist. Now I've gotten a couple of these that, like,

2240
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, people both sides.

2241
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 3: But some people are worried, Oh you're in on establishing

2242
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 3: the run now, this is great.

2243
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 2: Some people are worried that I'm so run game centric

2244
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 2: right now is in like, oh god, Evan doesn't think

2245
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 2: that they can do anything else good, so they have

2246
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 2: to run the ball. And then some people are making

2247
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 2: fun of me for being a run game apologist. I

2248
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 2: want to be clear about my run game thoughts. My

2249
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 2: run game thoughts are running the ball to set up

2250
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,919
Speaker 2: play action. That's why I want them to run the football.

2251
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 2: It's not to be oh, yeah, we're gonna ground and

2252
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 2: pound and we're gonna we're gonna out at a certain point,

2253
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna be the tougher team and bite knee caps. No,

2254
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 2: that's not what it is.

2255
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 3: At a certain point. There's not much of a difference

2256
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,600
Speaker 3: there is. You got to establish the run. You have

2257
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,799
Speaker 3: to establish the run.

2258
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm just being very crystal clear that it's not.

2259
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 3: Is establishing the run important?

2260
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 2: Yes or no to this offense? Yes, all right, there

2261
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 2: you go. That'd make you happy, Yes, very much. Want

2262
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 2: to talk a few injuries here in the last five

2263
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 2: minutes of the show. One of them I think is

2264
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 2: kind of under the radar. This is from Michael in Pinegrove.

2265
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 2: Should we be concerned about Morgan Moses, especially against t

2266
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 2: J Watt this week?

2267
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. I actually got a question in my

2268
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 3: mailbag this week that was, what's the drop off from

2269
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses to Marcus Bryant. I really didn't know how

2270
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: to answer it because we didn't don't him right, We

2271
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 3: don't have a ton of exposure. I think it's fair

2272
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 3: to be encouraged by what you saw from Morgan from

2273
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 3: Marcus Bryant this summer, like he had a good summer and.

2274
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 2: I didn't.

2275
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that he was a player that was

2276
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 3: always going to make the team. I think he earned

2277
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 3: his way onto the team and he deserves credit, and

2278
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,480
Speaker 3: he had a good summer, and happy to see it.

2279
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 3: It was a lot against backups and tjo Wat's a

2280
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 3: pretty big jump from the average backup you see in

2281
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 3: the NFL. So I don't know if the question was

2282
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 3: about injury or if it was just about wanting to

2283
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 3: bench Morgan Moses because of the false starts or whatever,

2284
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 3: which I think would be premissture. Well, the question I

2285
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 3: got him saying, but because he's from sports have listeners, yeah,

2286
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 3: where there's generally a little more emphasis on this guy sucks.

2287
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but oh I wonder why.

2288
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I honestly I kind of skipped it,

2289
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 3: and I apologize because I don't know what the drop

2290
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 3: off is. I don't know what more Marcus Bryant's gonna

2291
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 3: look like in the NFL. I don't know that this

2292
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 3: is the week I want to find out up against TJ.

2293
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 3: Watt and kind of drop them in cold. They might

2294
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,719
Speaker 3: have to depending on where Morgan Moses is at health wise.

2295
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 3: But we talked about this before the season. They have

2296
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 3: so many rookies and key roles, and there were six

2297
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 3: that were starting right away. Marcus Bryant is kind of

2298
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 3: a quick seventh. Only seventeen tackles last year started all

2299
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 3: seventeen games for their teams. Only two teams I think

2300
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 3: it was the Titans and Packers had both tackles start

2301
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 3: all seventeen games. So odds are Marcus Bryant. We're gonna

2302
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 3: see him at some point. We're gonna have to find

2303
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 3: out ands TJ. Watt might not right now, nothing against

2304
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 3: the kid, This is probably not the week want to

2305
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 3: do that.

2306
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,759
Speaker 2: So I think Morgan Moses I know yet I almost

2307
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: had him on the downs. He was not particularly good

2308
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: in this game on Sunday, but he also wasn't bad

2309
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 2: by any means.

2310
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 3: If not for the penalties, I think you kind of

2311
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 3: just move on. He wasn't good or bad. He was

2312
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 3: kind of fine and would sink it.

2313
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 2: And that's such a that's such an improvement from where

2314
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 2: their right tackle play has been right that he is

2315
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 2: he's really earned that set it and forget it money.

2316
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 2: So far, I would say week one he was really

2317
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 2: really good against Matt Crosby. That last week he was hurt.

2318
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 2: But there's a bunch of reporting coming out of the

2319
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 2: locker room postgame in Miami that I think Doug Kyde

2320
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 2: said he saw him with a boot on his foot.

2321
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 2: A lot of limping from Morgan Moses. I would highly doubt,

2322
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 2: and this is just speculation and has zero shelf life

2323
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 2: because we're going to find out in like two hours.

2324
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 2: I would highly doubt that he's going to practice on Wednesday.

2325
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 2: I feel like he might be a veteran rest slash

2326
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 2: injury rest Wednesday player all year. Yeah, as a thirty

2327
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: four years in this league, So I am a little

2328
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 2: bit worried about Morgan Moses. It changes a lot in

2329
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 2: my opinion if it's Morgan, if it's Marcus Bryant against

2330
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 2: TJ Wytt instead, of Morgan Moses, like now you have

2331
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 2: to kind of reinvent your entire UH protection scheme, protection plan,

2332
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:16,759
Speaker 2: like you got yeah, one hundred percent.

2333
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 3: I will say this about Morgan Moses though, and there

2334
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 3: was a lot of talk about his age when they

2335
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 3: signed him. He plays. He plays, and he'll tough through

2336
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 3: it and he'll play hurt. He didn't miss after his

2337
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 3: rookie year. He didn't miss a game until twenty twenty three,

2338
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 3: and then he's missed three games each the last two years.

2339
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 3: It's pretty solid for a tackle to play twenty eight

2340
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 3: games too over the span of two years. He has

2341
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 3: missed some time. The last couple of years, he's gotten

2342
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 3: on this other side of thirty. He hope this isn't

2343
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 3: one of the game. You don't want him to miss

2344
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 3: any games, but this especially, you hope isn't a game

2345
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 3: that he misses. But he's not somebody I worry about

2346
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 3: being like, I don't want to risk it this week. No,

2347
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 3: I think if he can go, he'll go, and if

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Speaker 3: you know, if it means in a walking boot after

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01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 3: the game, he's didn't practice during the week, if he

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Speaker 3: can get out there on Sunday, he seems like the

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Speaker 3: kind of guy that will get out there on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So last thing here speaking of zero shelf lives. But

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Speaker 2: there are a bunch of people watching live, do we

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01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 2: or do we not see Christian Gonzales at practice oh

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01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 2: for the next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like Vrabel's saying there's a chance

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01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 3: he plays this week. He's not gonna say that and

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01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 3: then not every practice, right, So.

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Speaker 2: You're saying there's a chance.

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Speaker 3: Here's where I'm at with Chris Gonzalez. Yes, I actually

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Speaker 3: think that what it comes down to is what has

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01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 3: he been able to do behind the scenes. We've talked

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01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 3: about this before. Corner is not a position, not that

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01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 3: practice is not important, but it's not like wide receiver

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Speaker 3: where you got to get the timing down with the

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Speaker 3: quarterback and the timing down with the other guys running

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01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 3: the routes and the context of the offense and the chemistry.

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Speaker 3: Corner is it's more in the film room than on

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Speaker 3: the practice field. The way they're going to play at

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01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 3: man coverage, right, Study this guy, learn his routree, learn

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01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 3: the nuances of his release, things like that, and go

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01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 3: use that against him on Sunday. That's what you do.

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01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 3: So if Gonzales can still do that, it's just what

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01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 3: kind of shape is he in because he hasn't practiced

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Speaker 3: in six months.

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Speaker 2: It's a conditioning.

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01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 3: If they've been being especially careful, right and he's still

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01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,759
Speaker 3: running around, he's still doing his conditioning on a side field,

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01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 3: he just simply they didn't want him taking the contact,

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01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 3: then he may be able to go this week. If

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01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 3: he returns to practice. If it's actually been bad and

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01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 3: he couldn't even do the conditioning, then you're probably looking

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01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,440
Speaker 3: at another week even once he returns to practice.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe even it's just like third downs, like if

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01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: you play him in third downs and like two minute.

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01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 3: Ham strings are just so weird.

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01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 2: It's like, but even that, like if he plays twenty

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01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 2: twenty five snaps, I think it's a good thing to do,

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01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 2: just to kind of.

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01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 3: East back and fields this week for the Jets.

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