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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room

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Speaker 2: Now your hosts Votch Lombardy, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy

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Speaker 2: Yarish and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: Today is Tuesday, February third, and we are seventy nine

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Speaker 3: days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome

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Speaker 3: in to the Draft Show presented by Miller Light, the

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Speaker 3: only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome back into the

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Speaker 3: SWBC studios. We are live this week. Glad to be

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Speaker 3: back from the Senior Bowl. Had a great week, and

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Speaker 3: glad to be rejoined by Voch Lombardi, Chris Beam in

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Speaker 3: the back of Kyle Yeomans. It's also the triumphant Draft

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Speaker 3: Show return of one Aisha Morrison. Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: I'm not miss that you didn't miss the count not

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Speaker 4: miss the countdown and thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Don't do that on him. Zach's not pointing out the

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Speaker 3: amount of days because time is running out and I

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Speaker 3: don't want you reminded.

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Speaker 4: See he got that. That's why I used to get

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Speaker 4: stressed out because he'd be like, it's thirty days, Leter.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh Jesus, it gets you on though, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it.

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Speaker 4: Gets you me now because I'm not a baby. No,

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Speaker 4: but when I was a baby.

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Speaker 3: I've been through a couple That's funny. I do remember

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Speaker 3: the first time I did that, you were like stop

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Speaker 3: say that quit? But yeah, glad to have you back, Aysha.

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Speaker 3: How's it going?

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Speaker 4: That's good. I'm happy to be on getting to this

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Speaker 4: draft process. This class is really exciting to me. I

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Speaker 4: think it's I think it's called a lot of people

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Speaker 4: by surprise when you start getting in depth looking into it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited to talk about it with you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Is it a little I know it's exciting. I agree

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Speaker 3: with what you're saying because every draft like this there

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Speaker 3: are diamonds in the rough and you're going to find

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Speaker 3: some surprises in different situations. But is this draft that

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Speaker 3: you're a little disappointed in when you go back and

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Speaker 3: watch it, because I find myself being a little disappointed

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Speaker 4: I'm not like, I'm not. I think that there are

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Speaker 4: key positions that you know, every year it flips on

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Speaker 4: its head, you know, some years you know even last

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Speaker 4: year we saw you know, high high frequency from the

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Speaker 4: This year, you know, that's kind of down. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're not sure how many guys that we think are

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Speaker 4: first round talent or and all those things. So I

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Speaker 4: feel like I like that it's different every year. I

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Speaker 4: like that it's different every year. This linebacker class, I

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Speaker 4: think is sneak lee has some great players. This defensive line,

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Speaker 4: defensive line, especially with the edge position, has some depth.

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Speaker 4: The cornerback class is deep. So it's like, I think

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Speaker 4: it just depends on what you like and what you're

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Speaker 4: looking for, because if you looking for a linebacker, edge,

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Speaker 4: maybe safety, corner, you cooking with gas there, especially with

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Speaker 5: I just want I just wanted the Cowboys to get

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Speaker 6: I just want them to pick the right guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of players that's in that

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Speaker 5: range that I probably won't be feeling. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of players that I like, though. I think where Cowboy

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Speaker 5: what can we get a Michael Parsons type guy at twelve?

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Speaker 5: This year and be like, well, nah, you know what

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Speaker 5: get a great linebacker if he falls. So every group's

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Speaker 5: going to be different. I like the offensive line a

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Speaker 5: lot last year. Offensive line is a little different this year.

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Speaker 5: So normally I'm advocating offensive line every year. You probably

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Speaker 5: something else that's kind of weird to Dante Moore really

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Speaker 6: Different this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean the lack of quarterback.

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Speaker 3: It's a lack of playmakers in the draft because the

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Speaker 3: wide receiver classes in as top heavy. Yeah, running back

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the running back class, like if you struggling with

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are some gentlemen that has some explosiveness

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Speaker 6: I guess to now that you've put some names to

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Speaker 5: Are you cool with two top twenty picks or would

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Speaker 4: See, I don't know. I think I think it goes

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Speaker 4: back to what you said about how the board falls.

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Speaker 4: One thing, I will say, it's irking me the more

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Speaker 3: Not have the second and third round picks. The lack

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Speaker 4: Your It's really hurting you.

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Speaker 3: And then when you think about where those went, you

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Speaker 3: But I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like I feel like the way that

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Speaker 3: I said this on Talking Cowboys this morning. We had

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Speaker 3: I think right now, as we sit here seventy nine

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Speaker 4: That's fair because the second two, you know, Dallas get

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Speaker 3: Been a little dicey in the past. The one thing

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Speaker 3: that's where you kind of got into where it depends

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Speaker 3: and I feel like that's just a hot dodge podge

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Speaker 3: flip picks assumingly with Let's I threw out a scenario

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Speaker 3: some weapons, a wide receiver or somebody for Cam Wore

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Speaker 4: Isn't that what they did with the Neeland Beebee guy

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Speaker 3: So they went from twenty four to twenty nine, they

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Speaker 4: Track, and so we've seen them kind of do some

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna dictate your board and all this stuff,

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Speaker 4: but like, I think that to answer your question, it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be very contingent on free agency then, because some

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Speaker 4: need to be aggressive in free agency and making sure

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Speaker 4: you don't have to feel like maybe you're reaching or

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Speaker 3: And that's always the goal. Whether it happens or not

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Speaker 3: is going to be a different story.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and again I think something I heard Stephen

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Speaker 4: they've had the interviews, they're getting perspective from the outside

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Speaker 4: about free agents that are going to be available as well.

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Speaker 4: It's valuable because, yeah, your scouts do their thing, but

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Speaker 4: you got guys that are coming from other places that

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Speaker 4: have perspective and got nyes on guys that maybe you haven't.

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Speaker 4: I hope that Dallas does what they need to do

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Speaker 4: in free agency so we won't be having these talks.

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Speaker 4: Because if you don't do nothing in free agency, you're

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Speaker 4: just gonna sit there the second and third you're gonna

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Speaker 4: sit there in Twitter your times, you just there for decoration.

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Speaker 3: Be a long day for us.

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Speaker 4: I be stressed do something.

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Speaker 5: Because honestly, I don't like seeing all these mock drafts

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Speaker 5: where people trade back five or six.

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Speaker 4: Times all life hat.

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Speaker 6: Hey, y'all, we saved the Cowboys with these fifteen picks.

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Speaker 3: I together, just just keep going to turn out it's

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Speaker 5: The mock drafts I want to see is I want

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Speaker 5: there and picked. So even if we do have a

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Speaker 5: great free agency draft, Jordan Tyson the wide receiver Arizona State,

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Speaker 3: Run of it. I'm gonna I'm gonna hide behind my

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Speaker 4: You don't think thetacked.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about the runner, the wide receiver room.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that, Yes, the scouts did their job

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's evaluators. I'm sorry to the area of scouts.

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Speaker 4: He learned the playbook even so, and you see that

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Speaker 3: To draft him in the first round, I think I.

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Speaker 4: Think Jeremiah is that talented.

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Speaker 3: But would you rather have Javonte Williams or would you

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Speaker 4: A young nugget.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, argument is both.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep Bridge, I say you need both because one

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Speaker 4: I think you specifically need Javonte because you don't know

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Speaker 4: So anyway, No, if y'all want to drive running back.

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Speaker 5: Of well, running back is not my priority. It's not

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Speaker 5: you're staring at Okay, well, it's either trade back.

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Speaker 6: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe in that. I hate fake trade back stuff.

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Speaker 5: If they trade back, they trade back, But I don't

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Speaker 5: want to. I don't want to just say in February

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Speaker 5: because I'm uncomfortable I'm trading back. Man, I've watched film

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Speaker 5: on at that point, it'll be jereedmi Love, Jordan Tyson

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Speaker 5: I'm not taking colton Hood over those two, right, you

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And I like colton Hood, But

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Speaker 5: just if I'm gonna build my board, I'm hoping that

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Speaker 6: And free agency so I can draft out. I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't like when y'all hit me up like, well, wotch,

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Speaker 5: I would love this player at twenty, but I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he's more like a twenty five player for me.

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Speaker 5: Bro quip, just take the pack Dylan Thinemon, Right, I'm

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Speaker 5: putting names on me being upset, right, Oregon safety or Votch.

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Speaker 5: How about this, I trade back, get another pick, and

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Speaker 5: we can get the animate at twenty nine and take

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Speaker 6: If you like him so much, take him at twenty.

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Speaker 5: I talked myself into going, I don't care where y'all

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Speaker 5: have this safety rank. I'll have him at twenty because

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Speaker 5: y'all can look around the league and be like, oh,

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Speaker 5: look at what these nickel safeties are doing. Theneman can

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Speaker 6: So that's what I'm at.

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Speaker 5: If you get Jeremiah Love and Daling th Inement, it

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Speaker 6: It may not be perfect, that's but that's two dudes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys that immediately come in and help you,

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these two picks are crucial to the future of

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of our listenership has agreed

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Speaker 5: But if you look at what the Cowboys normally do,

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Speaker 3: Even when they drafted Micah and they traded back, they

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Speaker 4: I hate that. You don't know people, you know. I

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Speaker 3: Come back, we're gonna have a mock draft here.

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Speaker 4: No oh no, I don't like the uncertainty. And then

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Speaker 4: not gonna happen like that, So I don't like them. Sorry, y'all,

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Speaker 4: don't be mad at me. Yeah, py testy true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: As they snapped the fresh guy who looks right, it's

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Speaker 6: So you do you like Do you like monster trucks?

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Speaker 3: Nohlka?

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Speaker 4: Why not? I don't know. They're just big and destructive.

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Speaker 6: Big, just big, just big and destructive.

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Speaker 4: Just just do you like trucks?

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Speaker 3: Do you like defensive linemen? You like watching the trenches?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, see that's exciting. Why do you like watching the

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Speaker 3: trenches because they're big and destructed?

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Speaker 5: No, it's because they do things every play. You can

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Speaker 5: look at them and see them doing things. Yeah, I

484
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Speaker 5: don't see that same thing if you don't see.

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Speaker 3: Them jumping cars and running.

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Speaker 4: I went to the Universal Soul Circus and they had

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Speaker 4: dirt bikes and motor stuff and stuff I've never been to.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a giant, you know, monster.

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Speaker 3: Until you try.

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Speaker 4: I think it's cool that people can create something like that.

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Speaker 3: It's cool that they can create.

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Speaker 5: People fussed at me because I didn't see value of

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Speaker 5: trucks spinning upside down.

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Speaker 3: He thought they were working.

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Speaker 6: The truck was upside down spending like like you.

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Speaker 3: Was, Now could you do that in your vehicle? Exactly?

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Speaker 6: It's I need to call call the police. You know

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying like like like Monster Jam didn't

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Speaker 5: reach a certain demographical people. Is what I try to

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Speaker 5: get the chat and my peers to understand. And I

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Speaker 5: wasn't in that demographic.

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Speaker 4: That diversify yourself I do.

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Speaker 6: I'm not quite at Monster Jam, not.

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Speaker 3: To that level.

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Speaker 4: Probably have a really good time. People just get drunk

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Speaker 4: and watching screaming.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to jail if I get drunk and scream anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Get drunk and scream and public means is not what

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Speaker 5: you're trying to say. No, no, because Derek Eagleton go,

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Speaker 5: but he's a rich man. I'm not Derek Eagleton rich

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Speaker 5: were you're rich, you can do what you want.

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Speaker 4: Now you're telling his business. He ain't nobody business.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into some Twitter. We're back. Jordan wants to

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Speaker 3: give a sticking subject. Hick question for vot sticking people

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Speaker 3: sticking pick which position would you be comfortable doubling up

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Speaker 3: on if you were wiped out in the first round?

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Speaker 3: Which one would it be?

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Speaker 6: If I was wiped out in the first round? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: if you're if you're wiping defensively, yeah, and you have

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Speaker 6: to double somewhere.

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Speaker 3: You have to double up on the back.

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Speaker 5: You take away a lot of my options if i'm

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Speaker 5: if I'm wiped out, so I don't think if Okay,

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Speaker 5: So if I'm wiped out and you say the Cowboys

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Speaker 5: drafted a defensive tackle Peter Woods Clemson at well and

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Speaker 5: they took a defensive end at twenty, that's the only

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Speaker 5: way I can see it, because if you get wiped out,

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Speaker 5: your edge's corners and safeties are going.

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Speaker 6: That's half of what I need.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You ain't taking two receivers.

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Speaker 5: You're not taking two running backs at twelve and twenty.

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Speaker 5: If I double down, I'll take two linebackers.

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Speaker 4: If it's to say, because some of these guys have

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Speaker 4: past rush ability.

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Speaker 5: But if you wiped out, ain't no styles, you know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So it's so you you w in

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Speaker 5: a tough position, but I would say D line. If

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys say, hey, we don't know how much longer

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Speaker 5: Kenny's going to be here, Quinn is going to be around.

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Speaker 6: A while, Osa has got paid.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we're trying to, you know, build this system where

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Speaker 5: we need more dtackles, and maybe Peter Woods is so

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Speaker 5: high on our board that we value him to come

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Speaker 5: in and compete with perry On and Toyo. That will

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Speaker 5: draft the defensive tackle and you get your edge at

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Speaker 5: twenty and you double down a D line.

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Speaker 6: That's all the way I said it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to You've answered the question. It would be

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Speaker 4: linebacker for me too. I think that you would end

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Speaker 4: up having to kind of you would have to talk

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Speaker 4: about what they do coverage wise and what especially when

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Speaker 4: we started getting into maybe what this scheme is going

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Speaker 4: to look like with these guys having to drop in

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Speaker 4: coverage and stuff like that. Obviously the showing and going

557
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Speaker 4: is I expect a lot of simulated pressures. Can that

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Speaker 4: linebacker like rush the passer as well? I think you

559
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Speaker 4: have to weigh the pass the pros and cons. But

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Speaker 4: I will say, do you, gentlemen, I'm gonna ask you guys,

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Speaker 4: do you guys have a linebacker that's not a first rounder,

562
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Speaker 4: but you see the talent with him that if they

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Speaker 4: did go they doubled up at linebacker. If this guy

564
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Speaker 4: is really like a really like a second round pick,

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Speaker 4: who is that to you?

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Speaker 6: And you took him at twenty.

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Speaker 4: And you took him at twenty? Who is a gentleman?

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Speaker 4: You would be okay with taking it there?

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Speaker 3: I can hear a lot of draft fans saying Jacob

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez from Texas Tech. So I have a two three

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Speaker 3: on him, So that would be a full reach. That

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Speaker 3: would be a full round of a reach for me.

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Speaker 4: Because the only two we only we only expect an

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Speaker 4: rv old Reese and Styles to be once. Who is

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Speaker 4: your guy after that?

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Speaker 6: I think? And J?

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Speaker 4: Allen Jen.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Hill?

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Speaker 4: So does either one of them? Are we worried about

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Speaker 4: having talked to you guys about it? What about the

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Speaker 4: size for c J. Allen? Again, if you're considering, like hey, Ken,

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Speaker 4: this guy also rushed, because you gotta you gotta be

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Speaker 4: able to do more than just play linebacker. If I'm

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Speaker 4: taking you that high, so can you rush the pastor

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Speaker 4: this is.

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Speaker 6: The thing about c J.

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Speaker 3: Allen.

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Speaker 5: He's small technically by his numbers, like his weigh in

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Speaker 5: numbers are going to make him look small, but don't

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Speaker 5: feel me big any whoop adds So like he don't

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Speaker 5: have no problems stumping offensive lineman, blitzing whooping feet down there.

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Speaker 5: He's not one of these other linebackers that I won't

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Speaker 5: name to kind of get washed an old line trash.

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Speaker 5: So I think that, yeah, he's a guy that can

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Speaker 5: do some bliss things for you. It's interesting how you

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Speaker 5: word it, though, because I think Alan would be like

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Speaker 5: a mic type guy for you. I wouldn't see him

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Speaker 5: rushing on the edges very much here, and that'll make

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Speaker 5: it kind of difficult. And the same thing for Alan,

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Speaker 5: I see him as more of an off ball guy,

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Speaker 5: but he can bring you value blissing on the line

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Speaker 5: of screaming. If you get wiped out, we just gonna

603
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Speaker 5: have to cry, you know, saycross some tears for real.

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Speaker 4: For real, because I don't feel comfortable taking either one

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Speaker 4: of those guys in the first round despite the talent.

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Speaker 4: And I'm high on Anthony Hill Jr. Yeah for sure,

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Speaker 4: but I just think I just don't think it lines

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Speaker 4: up that way. Speaking a linebacker. What is y'all's expectations

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Speaker 4: for Mary cleefou? What the hell is going on?

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Speaker 3: It depends on who who Christian Parker thinks he is.

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Speaker 3: Is gonna be kind of an occasional blitzer, Is he

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Speaker 3: gonna be a coverage linebacker? Is he gonna be? Where

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Speaker 3: do you want to put him? Because right now, I

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Speaker 3: think he's gone through two different coordinators that didn't necessarily

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Speaker 3: know where to put him right And for me, I

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Speaker 3: would rather him be downhill than I would backing up

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Speaker 3: and getting in the coverage, and that's where he got

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Speaker 3: himself in some troubles at different times throughout last year.

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Speaker 3: So I think for me, that's where I would go.

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Speaker 3: I would try and put him like an outside linebacker,

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Speaker 3: not not I feel like that's a bad way to

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Speaker 3: put it. Maybe a week side guy in terms of downhill,

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Speaker 3: let him run, let them blitz every once in a while,

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Speaker 3: That's kind of where I would go. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: what do you think?

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Speaker 4: I just I'm trying to understand the state of the

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Speaker 4: linebacker room, because I still it's bad. You need a mic?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 4: Do you need a mic? As a veteran? Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think you need a veteran mic. It's long overdue, and

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Speaker 4: somebody is going to keep they tail here for a

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Speaker 4: little while.

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Speaker 5: That's another issue is that a lot of these linebacker

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Speaker 5: prospects are like guys that I think excel at being

635
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Speaker 5: wheel guys, like run free guys and not really in

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Speaker 5: the middle of it, thumping like this. So you you,

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Speaker 5: you got some questions to ask, You got some some

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Speaker 5: figuring out to do. But as far as Marris goes,

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Speaker 5: I think, what's gonna happen? We need CP to come

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Speaker 5: in and tell us, like what the business is. And

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Speaker 5: I think, regardless, you have to move forward, like some

642
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Speaker 5: guys don't exist. Stephen Jones came out and kind of

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Speaker 5: gave you what the core is. He told you the

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Speaker 5: three tackles. We talked about donviinnez Roku. We talked about

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Speaker 5: Demo and he mentioned two corners. He mentioned Blanding Revel.

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Speaker 5: Regardless what you think about how Rebel's rookie season is,

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Speaker 5: Revel's are part of this corps moving on next year.

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Speaker 5: So now you got to ask yourself. All right, so

649
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Speaker 5: we're moving forward as if Kaitlyn Carson doesn't exist, like

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Speaker 5: we just can't be like all right, I'm banking on

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Speaker 5: Kaitlyn Carson to step up and do this thing. I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't even want the Cowboys to do that. So if

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be the case, I think Maris is one

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Speaker 5: of those guys as well. May's hasn't shown us And

655
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Speaker 5: look Zimmer when he was here. One thing he'll talk

656
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: about with marias that he picked up everything so fast

657
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: and he's so smart communication. That's kind of what CP wants,

658
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 5: Christian Parker wants, but we don't even know. But we

659
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 5: don't know, so we just gonna have to to bring

660
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: guys in and Marius is going to have to work himself.

661
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: Into where wherever he needs to go. It's all about

662
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: the role that they need him to play, sure, and

663
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: he could play a number of different things. We've seen

664
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: that over his two years here. But when I'm looking

665
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: at this linebacker corps, I'm not looking at it and

666
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: saying I'm not drafting that guy because we have Marislea.

667
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: He's not going to dictate what we need from a

668
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: linebacker sense.

669
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: But I was only asking because you said, Mike, you

670
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: refer to one of these gentlemen as a mic and

671
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, Well, Dallas needs a Mike.

672
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 6: Which how I think Sonny is CJ or Mike's Yeah.

673
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: Like on past draft shows or no, no, no, today

674
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: you just said you just called somebody you just I

675
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: can't remember who was, but you said somebody was a

676
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 4: mic and I was like, okay, what was his name?

677
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: Michael?

678
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: No, you said Mike.

679
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember what I was talking about.

680
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: The Yeah, those two guys early and guys, where would

681
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: you put CJ?

682
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 6: Allen I got, I got a two on him. But

683
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 6: he's gonna go late first.

684
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll go in the twe that's the perfect place.

685
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

686
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: So that's and that goes what I'm saying earlier, right

687
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: like if you just say, oh, yeah, cl he'll go

688
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: twenty five or some I'm picking at twenty, I'll be fine.

689
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 6: I'm perfectly fine with CJ. That's twenty.

690
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm fine with that that.

691
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: It depends on the board.

692
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: If he's the best guy on the board for me

693
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: at twenty, then sure, I don't mind CJ al at

694
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 5: twenty because I don't know how the boy's gonna play

695
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: on it. It might be a bunch of wire receivers

696
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: and you know the d tackles there. It may be

697
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: some offensive lineup that I don't value is high, you

698
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. But if that's how it is,

699
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 5: you need Mike GoGet CJL, He's Mike.

700
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: That's a good question. It's a little bit long on

701
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: on Twitter, but Rob wants to know cowboys number one

702
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: off season priority should be signing George Pickens to a

703
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: long term deal. It's one of those things that I

704
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: think everybody wants to happen. Everybody needs it to happen.

705
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: Even he talked about wanting it to happen and wanting

706
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: the best for everybody during his Pro Bowl media availability yesterday. However,

707
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: he does say because of the past and because of

708
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: the way the contract scenarios, with this specific representation at

709
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: David Mugoletta and what he's done over the last twelve months,

710
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: I think Cowboys fans are a little bit hesitant to

711
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: see it actually come to fruition. His question is, if

712
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: let's say they Tad Pickens, He's gonna reject the tag,

713
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: doesn't want to play on the tag or whatever ends

714
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: up happening, or a holdout as a possibility until the

715
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: long term deal is signed, how much of a priority

716
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: should it be to possibly taking a wide receiver at

717
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: twelve or twenty, What would that conversation look like.

718
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: Your priority still needs to always be defense first, because

719
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: that's just because that's the emergency.

720
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: You wouldn't classify that as an emergency.

721
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: I think the defense is so much more. I've seen

722
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: that go out there with a wide receiver, one Floyd Noid,

723
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 5: full offensive lineman missing, you know, Jake Ferguson limping. I've

724
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: seen that figure it out. This defense ain't figured out nothing.

725
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 5: Last year, they figure got nothing. Even if your offense

726
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: goes from number one to number eight, your defense was

727
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: still thirty seventh, you know what I'm saying.

728
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: So that's my point.

729
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: But even in next even in that case though, Rod,

730
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying, don't be afraid of draft Jordan

731
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: Tyson or Lemon or take whoever you find to be

732
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: the best gallon of board. Don't be afraid of draft

733
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 5: those guys. Yeah, that priority goes up a little bit.

734
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: But this is kind of where I'm pleading to Jerry

735
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: and Steven and Adam and all them people involved and

736
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 5: Tide and all that, like, man, let's just get it done.

737
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: Let's let's not try to win the negotiation here. You

738
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Let's not try to get style points.

739
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: Let's not let this thing drag out. I think you're

740
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 5: gonna be at your best when everybody's at camp, happy, paid, participating.

741
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 5: I don't want this thing to get to Will George

742
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: pickins miss games. I can't stand will X player miss

743
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 5: games content. But we do it every year we do.

744
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 5: We'll see the miss games, will zack miss games, will

745
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 5: take miss games. I'm sick of will that miss games.

746
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: I'm tired of that conversation. Pay pickings early, get it

747
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: out the way. There's a number in mind. You ain't

748
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 5: got to get messed over on all the details. Get

749
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: the number right, work out the guaranteed, and get due

750
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: in here so when camp goes around, they're not missing steps.

751
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 5: I don't want to see GP look weird for six weeks,

752
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: you know, because he had in camp.

753
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's all. Yeah,

754
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 6: appreciate it, right, Yeah, good question. What would you say

755
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 6: drating receivers?

756
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think the defense is an emergency,

757
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: but I will say I agree with about is that.

758
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: I just think that Dallas like again, going back to

759
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl interview, I thought something that I thought

760
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: something that Wilma Clay and Steven said, well, well not

761
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: even Steven. I apologize. Joey Epstein yesterday fantastic article by

762
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: her report by her rather from y'allhoo sports, talking about

763
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: the fact that having all these coaches come in here

764
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: and getting their insight really helped the Cowboys understand Pickens's

765
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: value and what he does to stress the defense. And

766
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: I thought that was awesome. You got the quarterback that

767
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: wants them to be here. If I'm not mistaken, I

768
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: could be wrong, but I think I heard it correctly.

769
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: Is that when Schottenheimer got hired, one of his things

770
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: was that they needed to get a wide receiver too.

771
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: He came in when he was interviewing. That was something

772
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: he emphasized. Sounds like from someone I know with the

773
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: Steelers that the converse like they were on the phone

774
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 4: talking about pickings prior to the draft. Dallas was one

775
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: of the only teams that called. So they had a plan,

776
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: They had a plan, they brought him in and I

777
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: feel like he has played well and I understand now

778
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: I will say what I am understanding is that there

779
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: are people around the league and that feel like you

780
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: still don't know enough about this guy, and I don't agree.

781
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't personally agree. I think he's shown himself to

782
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: be I mean, he's had a few little hiccups. I

783
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 4: think he's shown himself to be reliable. You know, he's

784
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: in the film because of what he's done from a

785
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: skill position. Like from a skill position this year, he

786
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: has really opened up his route tree. You can't do

787
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: that if you're not taking coaching. I think Junior Adams

788
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: has a lot to do with that. So I think

789
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: that he's shown that he can be here, he can

790
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: be responsible. Is he gonna be the leader that you're

791
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 4: looking for and all this blase blase? Maybe, but he

792
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: leads with his play. The play is enough, And I'm

793
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 4: just I think that's the vibe that I'm getting about

794
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: it is that it's not about the play. It is

795
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: about committing to this person. And is this person committed

796
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: to all of this that's going on. I don't doubt it,

797
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: but that is probably what the hold up is.

798
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, don't get mad. You've done great,

799
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 6: You've done great.

800
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 5: Jesus, I'm sick of these miscellaneous people that be writing

801
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: reporting GP is a prime They nowhere near here, they

802
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: know where near they don't they don't talk to the player. Listen,

803
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: as long as George isn't selling drugs, hiding hidden women,

804
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 5: or doing something stupid. I played football, dog, You're gonna

805
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 5: have dudes for meetings. You're gonna have dudes wearing what

806
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: they want. Coach ay, y'all, coach a Black Sox. You're

807
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: gonna have somebody with Neon Green. It's the game. It's

808
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: the game. As long as George Pickens ain't getting arrested

809
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: trouble other people getting arrested, and I'll let that slide

810
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 5: as long as I ain't. But he's because he's cool too.

811
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: As long as George ain't getting arrested. What's the point

812
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: of having leadership if you ain't got knuckleheads around the leader?

813
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: Okay, what's the point.

814
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: What's the point? I played center my senior year. I

815
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 5: was a leader, and we had offensive linemen that didn't

816
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: know the plays, but they were strong as hell. A

817
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 5: VI take care of him, man, you know what I'm saying.

818
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: So what's the point of dak having a masters in leadership?

819
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 6: What's his masters? That I know? You know, it's in

820
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: leader of something.

821
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: What's the point of having a great leader and a

822
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: CD lamb around to corral in some mess As.

823
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: Long as he ain't getting arrested.

824
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's what that's what we're talking about.

825
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: I think that's why we've seen the improvement we've seen

826
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: from Pickings, is that he does. I think that the

827
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: quarterback and him are locked in and there's some good

828
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: communication there. Obviously too, he's friends with these guys, They've

829
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 4: built connection. I don't think it's that big of a deal.

830
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, yeah, what it is that I this.

831
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 6: Ain't me as long as he punching fans in the stadium.

832
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: This is the concern.

833
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: As long as he punching fans in the stadium, because

834
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: these might be coming from Pittsburgh stel as people they

835
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 5: have to deal with.

836
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: Does he be getting don't give me and that. What

837
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: thing I love about George is like, Okay, he don't

838
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: care about getting fine, he gonna do that celebration. It's

839
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 4: the o Cho Senko vibe. I like it.

840
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you nobody in that locker room, in

841
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: the conversations that we've had and the conversations that George

842
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: Pickkets has had and that the media has had with

843
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: certain players. Nobody has ever in that locker room and

844
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: tabbed George Pickens as an issue. They don't feel that way,

845
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: and that's not the case. Maybe that was the case

846
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh, not the case here. And yes, he has

847
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: a capable quarterback who he loves. He's got a wide

848
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: receiver running make that's one of the best in the NFL.

849
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: And there's a reason they're both wearing Pro Bowl flag

850
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: football uniforms later this week. I mean, there's legitimate growth

851
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: opportunity for him here. So for that old narrative to

852
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: just continue to drag on in a in an off

853
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: season and in a situation like this, it doesn't make

854
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 3: a whole lot sense because it didn't happen. All right,

855
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: Moving on, good conversation, y'all, Ashley wants to know what's

856
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: the best value you could get for a pick at

857
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: spot twenty in a trade back scenario, just like Fox likes.

858
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: This is kind of my wheelhouse in terms of draft compensation. Okay,

859
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: the Browns, let's just I'm gonna take a look at

860
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: twelve and twenty just because the Browns at twelve back

861
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. That was the most recent big trade

862
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: in terms of twelve. They got the twenty fifth overall pick,

863
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: so they went from twelve to twenty, and they got

864
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 3: a first round pick in twenty eighteen, so next year,

865
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: first round pick. So nothing in that current draft. That

866
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: was a recent one, specifically going back to two thousand

867
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: and three. This one's closer to twenty nineteenth overall. The

868
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: Patriots traded to Baltimore for a second round pick and

869
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Speaker 3: a twenty twenty four first round pick, so next year

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Speaker 3: first round pick, so you get a second round current draft,

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Speaker 3: first round next year, and then the other one that

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Speaker 3: I was looking at here in terms of like recent history,

873
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: the Cowboys actually traded one to the Bills. Cowboys first

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Speaker 3: round pick twenty two in two thousand and four, they

875
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Speaker 3: gave twenty twenty, or excuse me, they gave number forty

876
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Speaker 3: three overall, so they went from twenty two to forty three.

877
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Speaker 3: But they also picked up a fourth round pick, a

878
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Speaker 3: fifth round pick, and a twenty twenty five first round pick.

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Speaker 3: And that was the last time they picked multiple times

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Speaker 3: in the first round was in that twenty twenty five draft.

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Speaker 3: So if you're going to do it. Next year's draft prospects,

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Speaker 3: next year's draft picks are very much so on the table.

883
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Speaker 3: But if you're Dallas, you're not necessarily messing around with

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Speaker 3: current year guys.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Kind of looking at a possible second round flip, but

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Speaker 3: you're going to pick up a Day three and probably

888
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Speaker 3: a premium Day two or Day one pick two.

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Speaker 5: I think the only other situation I've kind of said

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00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: this here, but I'll say it again is if some

891
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Speaker 5: team likes some quarterback that we're not talking about at

892
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Speaker 5: twenty and they go, hey, we'll trade up to you,

893
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Speaker 5: say Ty Simpson, Alabama quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Probably not a top ten, top fifteen guy, Mike just

895
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Speaker 3: because of the quarterback position, but we'll see.

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Speaker 5: The Giants traded up to get Jackson dark yep to

897
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Speaker 5: twenty five, and they ended up getting the Texans sent

898
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Speaker 5: thirty four, ninety nine and a twenty twenty six third rounder.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So if you want.

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Speaker 3: Value, that would be that would be twenty five to

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Speaker 3: thirty four, right, yes, sir, And then you get a

902
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Speaker 3: second rounder and a.

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Speaker 6: Third rounder ninety nine and next year's three. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it'd be a third rounder and the next.

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Speaker 6: Year's three, next year's three.

906
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what your ballpark's going to be.

907
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Speaker 5: So if somebody's moving up to get a corner, it's

908
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Speaker 5: gonna be different than them moving up to get a quarterback.

909
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Speaker 6: Out, So you know what I'm saying.

910
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Speaker 5: So if you want to maximize your your trade back,

911
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Speaker 5: you better hope somebody likes one of these quarterbacks to

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Speaker 5: move up to twenty to get them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if it's not a quarterback, what is a

914
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Speaker 4: position that people would like enough to trade up for.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that was white.

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Speaker 5: I hate trade backs because people would see they would

917
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: need to see some real value to come up.

918
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. People want to trade.

919
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: And say that all the time. You gotta find a

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Speaker 3: dance party.

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Speaker 5: People want to trade back because, oh, I don't like

922
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 5: who's on the board right now. Let me call somebody

923
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 5: and get more picks. Nah, something has to be attractive there,

924
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 5: something has to be. Oh, let me get Jalen Carter's falling.

925
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 5: Let me go get Jalen Carter. Let me go and

926
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Speaker 5: get a quarterback or something like that. It ain't it

927
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Speaker 5: ain't gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's just gonna pick up the phone and be like, yeah,

929
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Speaker 3: you're right, I am gonna trade you all three of

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Speaker 3: these selections.

931
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Speaker 5: On the morning, and tiering on them may have been

932
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Speaker 5: Detroit's number one corner at the time, so they say, man,

933
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Speaker 5: how corners still here, Let's go trade up with Dallas.

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Speaker 6: Go get Tyrian Onal. I don't think it's gonna be

935
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Speaker 6: like that unless month sort the lanes well.

936
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Speaker 4: Then also to what what about we've talked about this

937
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Speaker 4: offensive this offensive tackle class, this offensive guard class. That

938
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Speaker 4: might be a position. I don't know what the free

939
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: agency pool looks like, but teams are like in need

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Speaker 4: We've seen we saw the offensive lines this year, like

941
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Speaker 4: teams are in need of offensive line. Do you think

942
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Speaker 4: that maybe, especially with they're not being a lot of

943
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: depth there and they're being top eavy, maybe there is

944
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Speaker 4: a guy that a team really is like, this guy

945
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Speaker 4: can come in and be a starter, and we need

946
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Speaker 4: to protect our quarterbacks a word. I can't believe any

947
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Speaker 4: other position. I think maybe offensive line might be a position,

948
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Speaker 4: especially the way that it's not rich this year. It's

949
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Speaker 4: just somebody might sacrifice for. But that's it.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to look at a team and say, yeah,

951
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Speaker 3: we're gonna trade our two top one hundred picks and

952
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Speaker 3: maybe one from next year to just to go get

953
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Speaker 3: an alignment receiver. Yeah, like it maybe might need a

954
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Speaker 3: playmaker like one of the like if Jordan Tyson starts

955
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Speaker 3: to fall, a lot of defensive guys get taken early

956
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Speaker 3: in the draft and then Tyson falls or mkay Lemon

957
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Speaker 3: falls or something something like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was definitely gonna ask y'all, can you

959
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Speaker 4: hold somebody for ransom? Maybe it have to be a quarterback.

960
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Speaker 4: It have to be a hell of a player. It

961
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Speaker 4: have to be a quarterback because that's probably the most

962
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: valuable thing. So it got to be a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Anybody else you're probably.

964
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Speaker 4: Kidnap a quarterback. Go kid, you got a kidnap a quarterback.

965
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Speaker 4: You're going to get other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Love it all right, Appreciate you guys sending in the

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Speaker 3: questions here on Twitter. On the twenty when we come back,

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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and the Ryan Bull have now been

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Speaker 3: Bowl was last Tuesday, but we were out in Mobile,

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Speaker 3: so haven't had a chance talk a lot about that

1034
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Speaker 3: group of prospects quite yet and how they showed out

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Speaker 3: practice last week, and we mentioned this a few times Vatch,

1038
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Speaker 3: is that the edge rushers the front seven had a

1039
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Speaker 3: significant advantage over the offensive line in this year's Senior Bowl. Class,

1040
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Speaker 3: what did you like out of the offensive line? Because

1041
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 3: I know off air we were talking and you had

1042
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Speaker 3: your eyes on a couple of prospects.

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Speaker 6: The correct answer is not a lot. Yeah, I didn't.

1044
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Speaker 5: I didn't like a whole bunch from the offensive line.

1045
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: The pass rushers kind of showed up whoop and they

1046
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: just whooped feed a little bit. It was interesting because

1047
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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl had some pass rushers or just edge

1048
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 5: players that on their regular film they weren't really rushy guys.

1049
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 5: They were kind of stiff. They just didn't bend all

1050
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 5: the way. They just weren't great. They may be good

1051
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 5: versus the run, but then they get to mobile and

1052
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Speaker 5: they started whooping feet as pass rushers. So I was,

1053
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Speaker 5: you know, like guys like Zigon Young from Missouri. I

1054
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 5: didn't think of him as like super pass rushing.

1055
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Speaker 3: Against wide too. He was he was more of a

1056
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Speaker 3: run guy at Missouri, And yeah, you're right, he was

1057
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Speaker 3: an incredible pass rusher.

1058
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Speaker 4: So you're tempering TJ. Parker's performance as well a little bit.

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Speaker 6: The context of the film.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm not gonna buy because look, think about how

1061
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Speaker 5: how Parker won, like he won with his with his

1062
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Speaker 5: one move, with his long or him just being powerful.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: That may work when you have a miscellaneous tackle drafting you,

1065
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 5: but when when I'm scouting, I like to put in

1066
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Speaker 5: context of the league.

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Speaker 6: Right, So if your.

1068
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Speaker 5: First game is against Jordan my Lottter, you just can't

1069
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Speaker 5: long on my lot every time.

1070
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Speaker 6: Right. So when you watch t. J.

1071
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Speaker 5: Parker's film, he does have that one thing that he does,

1072
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Speaker 5: and he's great versus the run. That helps him versus

1073
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 5: the run. He can push pockets and all that. But

1074
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Speaker 5: I wanted him. I wanted to at least see him

1075
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Speaker 5: develop some kind of counter out there, and he didn't.

1076
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Speaker 5: He just kind of ran down the mill of people.

1077
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Speaker 5: Derek Moore, pass rusher from Michigan, he kind of won

1078
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Speaker 5: a lot of reps just bull rushing people. That's what's

1079
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Speaker 5: on film as well. I'm not going to give you

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Speaker 5: credit for rundown the middle of people, whooping folks. I

1081
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Speaker 5: want to see you mix up your moves, changing things up.

1082
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Speaker 5: So Danny Dannis Smith, I saw the same from him.

1083
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Speaker 5: Run down the middle of people. You won, But will

1084
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 5: that translate?

1085
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: And I like his film because he has some past

1086
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: rush ability on film. He's very sometimes but he does

1087
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: got a couple plans there whenever he's there rushing on

1088
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: the edge outside at Penn State. But I didn't see

1089
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: that at the Senior Bowl. It was a lot of

1090
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: just go straight through the chest of somebody.

1091
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 5: I think all that's important also to gab Gabe yakas Jackas,

1092
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 5: he's another guy, like the film just didn't match up.

1093
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 5: So it's not like, look, they did well, they did

1094
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 5: what they were supposed to do. But it's like it's

1095
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 5: like punching a kid, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1096
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: hey man, why are you punching his kid?

1097
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 6: But if the kid whoop you, I don't let this

1098
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 6: kid whoop you. You know what I'm saying.

1099
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 5: If you're going to be the highly touted guy, go

1100
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: out there and whoop the small school guys whooped the

1101
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: guys that don't have the same draft profile as you.

1102
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: And they did so shouts out to them. They did

1103
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 5: their job. But this is the opposite of this, right,

1104
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 5: we're talking about offensive lineman Jake Slaughter, the Center from Florida.

1105
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 5: I was curious about him because Florida make sure that

1106
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: he always gets a bunch of help, and he's a center.

1107
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: He should But when I'm evaluating centers, I want to

1108
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 5: know are you powerful by yourself? Some team may want

1109
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 5: to isolate you. You may get a big front or

1110
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 5: something like that. You may get a zero that you

1111
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: got to sit down to anchor on. And there was

1112
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 5: a lot of powerful dudes that lined up over him,

1113
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: and I was like, all right, Jake, you showed me

1114
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 5: some one on one power ver some of these guys,

1115
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: some of this bull rush or these tackles, these noses

1116
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: being being quick against you.

1117
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1118
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: So I walked away from Jake Slaughter going, Okay, you

1119
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: did better than I expected. So now I want to

1120
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 5: go back and watch some more film in him and

1121
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 5: see if I can find some more incidents where he's

1122
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 5: kind of isolated, to see if he kind of matches

1123
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: up a little bit.

1124
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 4: I'll let a talk, No, I'll be talking.

1125
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 6: Max iron Anchor is another player.

1126
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: That I like, and I was gonna jump in.

1127
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: I was just waiting.

1128
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 5: I kind of go go down this list of the

1129
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 5: big board guys and I just kind of watch as

1130
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 5: they go about him.

1131
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 6: A couple of weeks ago, Max iron Ankle was like,

1132
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 6: what the name from Arizona State.

1133
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: Brother brother Max brother Max offensive tackle from from Arizona State.

1134
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 5: He was like PFLs, like one hundred and twentieth guys.

1135
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 5: So I didn't watch him at first, right, and he

1136
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: was awesome. I saw him the senior boat shutting down like.

1137
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: One on ones that I like on an island. He

1138
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: handled business.

1139
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: So now I gotta watch more Mexican. I used to

1140
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 5: please tell us what a name is that is that Greek?

1141
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: What it would be?

1142
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: Maxie Arizona State Sun Devil. He's an offensive offensive tackle.

1143
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: He primarily plays right tackle. This gentleman is sixty six

1144
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: somewhere between three twenty five and three thirty. Well you

1145
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 4: got his official I don't remember.

1146
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: I've got it right here. Six yeah, six six three

1147
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: thirty right on the doe.

1148
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 4: Thank you. Okay. So this man is a was a

1149
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 4: senior second team All Big twelve. He's from Nigeria. He

1150
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: played soccer and basketball before transitioning into football in junior

1151
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 4: college and then he developed as uh you know, as

1152
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: a tackle with Arizona State. Sorry, this is how I

1153
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 4: have to do things now. When I think the biggest

1154
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: thing that stood out to me is the physical profile

1155
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 4: obviously you look at sixty six three thirty. This guy

1156
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 4: has fantastic foot movement to that big y'all, I mean,

1157
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: just fantastic balance. I think that you see the basketball

1158
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: and soccer background come up in how he mirrors in

1159
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: the way that he's able to stay in front of people.

1160
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: He's not Shuffley though. It's not Shuffley. It is I'm

1161
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 4: picking my damn feed up and I'm moving also too.

1162
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: You talk about the fact that in this past year

1163
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: he allows zero sacks and he played a lot of snaps.

1164
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 4: That's impressive, you know, to be because we're looking for technically.

1165
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: That's the thing I will say about some of these

1166
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: guys that maybe aren't as impressive and powerful and just

1167
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: have the natural strength. I do think that coming out

1168
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: of the senior ball I noticed that some of these

1169
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: offensive linemen they're winning with technique, and they're not winning

1170
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: with just I'm just bigger and better than you. They're

1171
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: winning with technique. I think you can build off of that.

1172
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: I think that this gentleman is gonna thrive in a

1173
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: zone scheme more predominantly more of an inside zone scheme.

1174
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: He shows. I think that he shows the availability and

1175
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: ability to climb to the second level and operate in space.

1176
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: He pulls effectively and he identify fight targets. He identifies

1177
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: his targets very well. I think that he will so

1178
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: because of that, he can fit into any offense. He's

1179
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: a very very quick, quick learner. That's something that I

1180
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: heard about from his coaches listening to his interviews. And

1181
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 4: he's really built again. He's building a lot of stock

1182
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 4: in this time. The hand timing and the strike execution.

1183
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: Did that stand out to you, the way that he's

1184
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: so strong but he's precise with his hands. Yes, I

1185
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: think that his lower body strength is some of the

1186
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: best in this class. That his ability to anchor and

1187
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 4: to really sit down and drop that ass and one

1188
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: and let them know he's not moving. Also to we

1189
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 4: talk about instincts, the situational awareness from him on tape.

1190
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 4: He will find what they say, find a body, find

1191
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: something to do. This is a gentleman that will find

1192
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: something to do. And he's physical. He's trying to knock

1193
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 4: people on their tail. I think, you know, when you

1194
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: look at the awareness with twists and stunts as well,

1195
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: I think that he's still needs to develop a little

1196
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 4: bit there. He can lag a little bit. But I

1197
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: do think situationally he's grown there.

1198
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: That's just from being a step behind the times.

1199
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, Yeah, absolutely.

1200
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: I mean I'm still looking. He's got to hand his

1201
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: head up, he's got his hands up, he's ready to

1202
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: find and engage. But if he's a step behind, that's

1203
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: where he kind of gets a little. Yeah.

1204
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: I mean the size is NFL level. He's elite to

1205
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: me in past protection and his ability to mirror. He

1206
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: has fantastic movement skills and he was able to show

1207
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 4: that against the best, some of the best at the

1208
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: Singer Bowl. I think, yeah, I think that he's really

1209
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: going to grow. But as he refines his hand tech

1210
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: and stuff like that in the base power, I think

1211
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: he's gonna be great. So that's what I got on

1212
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 4: the kid. I look at him as a maybe a

1213
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 4: third round pick, I would say, But there might be

1214
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: some people that are looking at the Singer Bowl and

1215
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: walking away thinking that maybe this guy could go in

1216
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 4: the second especially with how poor not poor, but yeah,

1217
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: but it's light. Light is the nice word to use.

1218
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: How light, How light the class is, the class is

1219
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 4: he's now. He did have a foot injury when he

1220
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 4: played for uh, well, when he played before he transferred

1221
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: to Georgia Tech from Middle Tennessee. He had a car

1222
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 4: accident in twenty twenty three, and just the fact that

1223
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: he was able to bounce back from that and again

1224
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: to be able to still have the foot quick as

1225
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: you used to. Hear foot went off, hiss of lineman,

1226
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 4: you get a little tight, just like a defensive lineman.

1227
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 4: But he was able to bounce back from that. So

1228
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 4: I think that shows his resilience and what he's capable of. So, oh,

1229
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: my bad, I'm looking at the wrong gentleman. Sorry, that's

1230
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: not him. I sorry, no, my bad, that's I was.

1231
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: So who were you talking about? Yeah, I.

1232
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: Was relish. My bad. I was in the wrong place,

1233
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 4: my notes. But yes, I still think the gentleman is impressive. Yeah, yeah,

1234
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 4: that's what I got on him.

1235
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 5: But you got no, no, you you basically knocked it out.

1236
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: I haven't watched iron Anchor formally, you know, like like

1237
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 5: watching what a Max.

1238
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 6: Pardon me, I'm gonna just drill it.

1239
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 3: That's all we're doing.

1240
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: Did you call Iron Maker?

1241
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1242
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: I thought somebody else called him, and I, oh, that's

1243
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 6: how to say it. So I just called him with

1244
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 6: Max Ere's correct, and and it's Nigeria.

1245
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: He's not Jerry.

1246
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 6: I gotta google that cause that don't look not you.

1247
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 6: I mean, he's.

1248
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna watch him, watch him formally, I was.

1249
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 5: I was very impressed. Also to one more, one more

1250
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: player that I have to watch it I haven't watched

1251
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 5: was Jeremiah Wright from Arburn.

1252
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 6: You see him, he biggest hell.

1253
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 5: Day two, they put him in a competition period versus L. T. Overton,

1254
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 5: I believe or something like that. It was at the

1255
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: end and it was just one on one with him,

1256
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 5: and I was like, Okay, a cat that I never

1257
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 5: heard of, and I'm just I don't want to sound mean,

1258
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: but I'm waiting on Overton to show me something, you

1259
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And Jeremiah Wright kind of stepped

1260
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 5: in and anchored on him very nicely. So I watched

1261
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: Jeremiah over the next couple of days, and he showed

1262
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 5: some some great power and he big at hell, like

1263
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 5: three thirty three forty or something, and he has some

1264
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 5: some decent guard feet for three forty.

1265
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1266
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 5: So I got to watch him. But right, Raditch, Yeah,

1267
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 5: let's go. I gotta watch all those guys formally, I

1268
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 5: have to bump them up the list a little bit,

1269
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 5: but very impressively so.

1270
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 3: According to AI. So take this with a grain of salt.

1271
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: Jesus uh Ichor is of the Igbo origin, from Ebo,

1272
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: from Nigeria. People just want to throw that out there.

1273
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 4: Did you want to talk about religion? What did you

1274
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 4: gentlemen notice from him?

1275
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 6: I think as senior bowl.

1276
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 5: At senior Bowl, I was surprised that he was able

1277
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 5: to sit down so comfortably an anchor.

1278
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, he's he's I think a.

1279
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 5: Lot of offensive linemen have issues with after they settle

1280
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 5: down and like somebody crossed his face on them, Like

1281
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 5: they don't deal with with counters very well. Like if

1282
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 5: you're if you're very powerful, you can naturally neutralize people's

1283
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 5: counters because if I grab you, you just gonna stop moving.

1284
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 5: But all guards aren't that aren't that powerful. So when

1285
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 5: I was watching is it.

1286
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: Retlati or redlish?

1287
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 5: When I was watching relives, they moved him at center

1288
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 5: and guard. And what I was really impressed with is

1289
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 5: he was able to be strong at the initial point,

1290
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 5: great hands striking, and he sustained blocks really well. And

1291
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 5: in the event that they cross face on you. He

1292
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: was able to move latterly both sides. Everybody can't do that.

1293
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: I know it sounds a certain kind of way, but

1294
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 5: if you a guard, depend on what side you want,

1295
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: it's easy for you to move to it. Like if

1296
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: you're a right guard, you move right much easier post

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Speaker 5: foot in. So when they look for centers, you got

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: to be able to move both ways because you could

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Speaker 5: slide both ways. And I was looking at Radlics, Rutledge, Ratlics, Rutliss.

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Speaker 5: When I was looking at Rutlis was ratless last year, Georgia.

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Speaker 6: Redliss, Pardon me.

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00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: I was so surprised at his technique, dealing with counters,

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: dealing with his hands moving sideways. I saw hands high.

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 5: I saw somebody deal with the hands and defeat him.

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00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: I saw him replace his hands, and I was like,

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00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: technique make me sick, you know what I'm saying. So

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00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 5: Redlich is a technician. So when I go back and

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 5: watch him, haven't watched him formally. When I go back

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 5: and watch them, let me see if some of the

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Speaker 5: technique sticks, if some of this anchoring sticks. And I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna find his uh find a game. We played his

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00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 5: best his best players or whatever, his best competition or whatnot.

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Speaker 5: And uh, I'm gonna really keep eyes on.

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Speaker 4: So I agree he's very well around it.

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Speaker 6: Please.

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00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: Fantastic hip control as you talked about, the low center

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: of leverage that he has allows him to really, like

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00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 4: you talk about, sit down and sustain blocks. And again

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00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: he's the one with the foot that had the foot.

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00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: It's just again for him to be able to anchor

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: and to st be steady with that, I think that's impressive.

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00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 4: He's very consistent too. I'm sure you notice that out

1323
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: there that's on his film is that this guy he

1324
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: didn't give up that many socks. He was fantastic and

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: running past blocking. I mean, and you talked about the

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Speaker 4: handtag too. That's one of my favorite things because you

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00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 4: don't expect the guy that size well to be able

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00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: to do that. But the hand placement. He's a very

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: quick puncher, very quick, but he can mirror two and

1330
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 4: that's the feet that you're talking about. But he's he's

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: somebody people going to start keeping an eye out on.

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Speaker 3: I think tell me a little bit about Dinnings or

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: h uh. J Jenner's dunker. I just combined the two names.

1334
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: J Dunker out of Missouri, who are out of Iowa

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00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: rather who showed out after the Senior Bowl. We had

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: a conversation with him at media day. What did you

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 3: like about him?

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 6: Dunker is interesting, Okay, Dunkle is interesting. I'll just I'll

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00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 6: just talk about great hairdoo. I don't care.

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00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 5: I don't Senior Bowl. Love to talk about the people

1342
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: that that chopp would and dunk basketballs and they love.

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00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 6: I love, I like, I watched films. I like Jennings.

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 5: Dunker is gonna be so interesting because his film shows

1345
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 5: you get job done, guy, maya. He'sa for sure they do,

1346
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 5: and they're gonna they're gonna talk around the idea of

1347
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 5: him playing guard, which I think he'll be a phenomenal guard.

1348
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 5: But even though he doesn't have a whole bunch of

1349
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 5: range past setting playing tackle, he's good job done guy

1350
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 5: at tackle, he like he ain't really losing reps there,

1351
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 5: even if guys like bursting around him. But anyway, strong,

1352
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 5: good knee being pushes guys around, physical looks to finish

1353
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 5: second level blocker. He actually he actually picks on people

1354
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 5: smaller than him. I love that some guys like to

1355
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 5: just get out there, and you know Brunlaw a little

1356
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 5: bit now he's trying to smoke people on the second

1357
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 5: and third level. I love that about him. He played

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: a ton of competition. That's so important to me. I'll

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01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 5: give you credit for getting whooped by Ohio State or

1360
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 5: Penn stated like top talent guys, then for you to

1361
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: be in some smaller school and just whoop all the

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 5: people that you should be whooping. So Jenny's Dunker does

1363
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 5: have rough reps out there, but it's against top tier,

1364
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 5: like top talented dues. I love that about him. As

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01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 5: far as a pass setter, great hand, strong hands, he

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 5: latches on quickly, gripping all that's nice, But I don't

1367
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 5: think he has the range to get to his landmark

1368
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 5: all that efficiently. Like he could be a little tight

1369
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 5: hip sometimes. So I think he will be a better

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 5: guard man. But I say that, but he get out

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 5: there cool though, Like on the next level. He may

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 5: have some issues with some bursty, bendy guys or whatever,

1373
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 5: but I don't think he has an issue with him

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01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 5: on film based on what I'm saying, because he's get

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 5: job done. Guy pulls cool, thumps, cool, all that kind

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Speaker 5: of stuff. I like him, I gotta As a guard,

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 5: he'll be a two for me. As a tackle, he'll

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 5: be a three. But I think he's a dude that

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 5: could play really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean as a as a guard, he would

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 4: be a he would be a two to me. As

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 4: a tackle, I would be well, yeah, I guess as

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: a guard he would maybe be a late two three.

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01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 4: As a tackle he would be one. I like him

1385
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: as a tackle because he's such a good mix of

1386
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 4: lateral lateral movement but also being able to be power

1387
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 4: like you're powerful like you're talking about, and what he's

1388
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: able to do in the run game. You know, Iowa

1389
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 4: runs a heavy zone, heavy zone, and for a tackle

1390
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: to be able to be effective in that and to

1391
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 4: be physical in that, I think says something about it.

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 4: You mentioned the competition. He deals with bull rush, well,

1393
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: he deals with power well. He has fantastic technique and

1394
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: I think that that helps him as well. But nah,

1395
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: I agree with you. This is he's a get the

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: job guy down.

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Speaker 3: Get the job done done type of guy, get.

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 4: The job done. Type of God.

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Speaker 6: My god, you got it, get the job done.

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Speaker 3: You always hear talking about, especially whenever you've got those

1401
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: zone heavy schemes. That the life feet, heavy hands and

1402
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys.

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got one a very good.

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01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: Man moves significantly, He's he's got an intensity to him,

1405
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: a mean streak to him, and you can see it

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: on film as well. I went back and kind of

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: dove after we talked to him last week. I was like,

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: I haven't seen enough of him to really talk about him,

1409
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: and so I went back and looked at a couple

1410
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: of his games, and like you said, there are some

1411
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: bad reps, especially against Ohio State, he kind of got

1412
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: whooped around a little bit. But he's got some actual,

1413
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: some top notch tape.

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Speaker 6: Test, real competition. I would rather that. I would rather that.

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 4: You gotta watch Madame Tuck Tucker to.

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 6: Position February.

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01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 4: He has I apologize Western Michigan. Oh yeah, yeah, at

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: a Western Michigan anyway.

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: He was fun. It's the seerable too. All right, That

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Speaker 3: does it for us. You're on the Draft Show. We

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Speaker 3: will be back on Thursday. It'll be this same group.

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Speaker 3: Aisha will be back again filling in as the rest

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Speaker 3: of the group is at the super Bowl this week.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to keep up with their coverage throughout as well.

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01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: Especially Thanks to watch Lombardi, Aisha Morrison, Chris Beam in

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Speaker 3: the back of Kyle Yeomans. We will see you on

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Speaker 3: Thursday with more of the Draft Show. Thanks for watching.

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