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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of planning Quarterback Island. We'll see
Speaker 1: if it's anymore well organized this time surprising, Jordan didn't believe.
Speaker 5: Like, are you looking at me?
Speaker 2: Well, because it's like twenty minutes before the show.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm an open I'm open for all the arguments.
Speaker 1: Which quarterbacks are going to be on the island and
Speaker 1: which aren't. We're deciding which twelve deserve to be there.
Speaker 1: And you didn't believe me.
Speaker 6: Do you see the reworking of the phraseology of what
Speaker 6: he actually said, Yeah, we're not going to go there.
Speaker 7: I actually videoed it, though, So I have receipts and
Speaker 7: what does it say says I have no plan?
Speaker 5: You said that's true, and I said, I don't believe you.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was executive power.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Okay, now we're talking about you can change
Speaker 4: the rules as much as we wish, but I don't
Speaker 4: have a plan.
Speaker 2: I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know each other prettyretty well, Jordan, now,
Speaker 1: but you know not as long as he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't normally necessarily have a plan.
Speaker 2: You have an idea, you just roll.
Speaker 3: Let's do some news, dude.
Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, we're going to try to avoid news today,
Speaker 1: but the NFL wouldn't let us, so we've got juicy
Speaker 1: news let's start with the Deontay Johnson trade from the
Speaker 1: Panthers to the Ravens. Because of the three big items
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, this was the one that surprised me the most.
Speaker 1: The Ravens only have to send a sixth round a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, and they get back the Panthers' sixth
Speaker 1: round pick. When you think about how the Panthers are
Speaker 1: going to be at the top of the draft and
Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to be at the bottom, that's
Speaker 1: like half around when you know, account for the compensatory
Speaker 1: picks that will be in there. They're basically trading for nothing.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the Panthers are paying a
Speaker 1: good chunk or most of his salary. Kind of crazy
Speaker 1: that the number one offense in the NFL, Colleen is
Speaker 1: adding another weapon.
Speaker 8: Great job, Eric Tacosta, I mean, this was a steal.
Speaker 8: This was such a great move.
Speaker 4: By them and Deontay Johnson he was getting moved either way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But once Christian Kirk got hurt, broke his collar bone,
Speaker 4: I feel like then it was like Deontay was the
Speaker 4: clear option for them. And there were so many teams
Speaker 4: that still out there that need wide receiver help. But
Speaker 4: I just think I just cannot wait for November seventeenth
Speaker 4: when he goes back to Pittsburgh as a raven Or.
Speaker 4: Like that's because he was traded from the Steelers. So
Speaker 4: i just like the pettiness of it, and I'm excited
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 3: You just want to be back against Patrick Queen, so
Speaker 3: you know, to there we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like this.
Speaker 7: It was interesting Jeff's reebik over at the Athletic He
Speaker 7: was talking about improving wide receiver depth, but he's also
Speaker 7: talking about how he could potentially factor in the return game.
Speaker 7: You know, that's a team that really puts a lot
Speaker 7: of emphasis on special teams. It helped him in the
Speaker 7: margins late last season as well during the regular season,
Speaker 7: and he actually was talking about potentially thinking that this
Speaker 7: team would try him out in the return game as well,
Speaker 7: because yes, they needed a boost in the receiving corps,
Speaker 7: but also projecting him as a potential guy who could
Speaker 7: try to take some reps there.
Speaker 6: I think, honestly, in the shell game they made a
Speaker 6: move before Houston came and got him. With the news
Speaker 6: of Stefan Diggs being out, I think this is okay,
Speaker 6: We're gonna be This is a team with. These are
Speaker 6: teams you have to battle to get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Digs is out, Houston could be going to get him.
Speaker 6: Let's get him to add to the return game, but
Speaker 6: you throw him out there. Now you got Zave Flowers,
Speaker 6: you got a speed burner who can also do the
Speaker 6: intermediate stuff at Deontay Johnson. You've got the two tight ends,
Speaker 6: and you've got Lamar and Derrick Henry. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of things to occupy a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody in the AFC is doing it these days.
Speaker 4: I mean the Bills, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an arms race, and yet it costs
Speaker 1: totally nothing. So you would think they went around to
Speaker 1: try to get better offers and couldn't get it. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm stunned by it because you can talk about wide
Speaker 1: receiver depth all you want. This guy has almost five
Speaker 1: thousand yards in his career. He's been extremely productive. Now
Speaker 1: there is an issue of that. The Steelers did not
Speaker 1: want him around. They traded him for Dante Jackson. They're
Speaker 1: very happy about that trade. By the way, they got
Speaker 1: a starting cornerback who plays every snap.
Speaker 2: They do need a wide receiver, though they're They're doing
Speaker 2: pretty well on offense.
Speaker 1: I think they're happy with that trade, and the Panthers
Speaker 1: apparently wanted to get rid of them so badly that
Speaker 1: they gave him away for nothing and are paying them.
Speaker 3: So he's got expiring content.
Speaker 1: I get it, but literally, they're getting basically no value
Speaker 1: and they're paying it, so they just wanted him on
Speaker 1: some level out of the building.
Speaker 7: I've said this before with a couple of these trade.
Speaker 7: I don't think for teams that are contenders that are
Speaker 7: basically paying a rental price to have someone who can
Speaker 7: help them or improve their plus qualities as an offense
Speaker 7: by just a little bit more down the stretch, I
Speaker 7: don't think situations like that they care as much about
Speaker 7: those contextual elements to potentially agree.
Speaker 1: And it's the Ravens. The Ravens feel like he's just
Speaker 1: gonna be a piece of the Ravens. If he tries
Speaker 1: to rock the boat there, it's going to hurt his
Speaker 1: career and they won't correct.
Speaker 4: They won't imagine going from Carolina to Baltimore for him,
Speaker 4: or oh my god.
Speaker 3: Or Mary Cooper going from Cleveland to Buffalo.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I love it because it seems like Colleen
Speaker 7: you mentioned it Stevie mentioned it. It seems like all of
Speaker 7: these AFC teams, you know that scene from the Office
Speaker 7: where they're playing the board game where they're like who
Speaker 7: committed the murder or whatever, and they're all standing in
Speaker 7: a circle that meme, and they all have the finger
Speaker 7: guns out and they're looking at each other and who's
Speaker 7: going to move first?
Speaker 5: Who's going to move first?
Speaker 7: Then all of a sudden, everything happens at once, like
Speaker 7: that is what's going on here with the AFC. They're
Speaker 7: all like, oh, you might be looking for a pass oursher.
Speaker 7: Oh you got the guy that we wanted. Okay, we're
Speaker 7: gonna pivot and get this other receiver that maybe you
Speaker 7: guys were looking at. And okay, now we're going to
Speaker 7: get this receiver that you guys couldn't get.
Speaker 5: It just is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 7: They're loading up and this this Conferences division is loading
Speaker 7: up in a big way.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might be their leading receiver.
Speaker 1: My guess would be Zay Flower will be Zay Flowers
Speaker 1: has improved quite a bit. There are some similarities, but
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson is a more accomplished route run. He's been
Speaker 1: productive since the day he hit the league, like six
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards as a rookie.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking that that's impressive.
Speaker 1: And ever since then he had that one big thousand
Speaker 1: yard season, but he's always seven hundred, eight hundred yards
Speaker 1: a lot of catches. But there is this idea of
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson two that I have that like, there's so
Speaker 1: much more he can get that hasn't happened yet. He
Speaker 1: has been in the NFL for six years. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not happy. It's like it's like there's this idea of
Speaker 1: him like an American psycho. There's this idea of Peyton
Speaker 1: Patrick Bateman, you know what I mean, like some kind
Speaker 1: of abstracted abstraction. But it's it's illusory, this idea of
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson that I've had. But he doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be a number one there. He's replacing Nelson Aguilar. It's
Speaker 1: definitely an upgrade for Nelson, and he's a rental player.
Speaker 6: I mean he's Kawhi Leonard, so I mean he could
Speaker 6: be the guy just to get him over the top.
Speaker 2: It's a really smart move by the Ravens.
Speaker 1: And like I said, they are number one in passing
Speaker 1: Dvoa on the season. The number one offense in the league,
Speaker 1: number one in passing efficiency. Because the running game helped
Speaker 1: set up these open receivers. Deontay Johnson's going to see
Speaker 1: more single coverage than he's ever seen in his life.
Speaker 2: Let's stay at receiver.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Stefan Diggs out for the season for Houston.
Speaker 1: Really disappointing to see them lose another piece. Nego Collins
Speaker 1: will be back in the mix for them, Jordan, but
Speaker 1: I think this is a.
Speaker 2: Sneaky, big loss.
Speaker 1: Like I know, people haven't seen him be the old
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, but he leads the team in first downs.
Speaker 1: He actually was becoming that trusty third down guy out
Speaker 1: of the slot. Almost a majority of snaps in the
Speaker 1: slot that he looked to when he needed ten yards
Speaker 1: they went to Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 2: And now he's not there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that kind of relationship building takes a little
Speaker 7: bit of time, that kind of trust to chemistry developing
Speaker 7: between a receiver who was new to this team this
Speaker 7: offseason and a quarterback who as well as he's played
Speaker 7: over the first year and a half of it career,
Speaker 7: you still are trying to find those guys that you
Speaker 7: can build that trust with, particularly with some of your
Speaker 7: other guys missing, I think where this really hurts them.
Speaker 7: It's like you said, he's a first down machine. Okay, Well,
Speaker 7: this is an offense that's really struggling in terms of protection,
Speaker 7: in terms of creating a safe space around the quarterback
Speaker 7: in order to run a functional offense to stay ahead
Speaker 7: of the downs. Their run game is working, but in
Speaker 7: terms of the past game, it's been up and down.
Speaker 7: And a lot of reasons why you see him leaning
Speaker 7: on Steffan Diggs is because you're starting to get that
Speaker 7: security blanket developed. And that's not a bad thing. That's
Speaker 7: a very good thing, and it helps you sustain as
Speaker 7: you figure out how you need to recalibrate and re
Speaker 7: scheme your offensive line in the meantime. Now you got
Speaker 7: to do that while also missing a significant player on
Speaker 7: your offense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think attackings are going to be in the
Speaker 6: trade market. I mean there's still like who's left?
Speaker 2: Like that got time right, Like, yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Player do they want to go after?
Speaker 6: Because you see in de hoop all those guys are
Speaker 6: gone but Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 3: I guess oooh, I don't see the Patriots part mc
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 6: They really like him in regards to their season, if
Speaker 6: they can get a Kentry born who can go downfield.
Speaker 6: I mean he's different than Steffan in terms of his
Speaker 6: ability to get downfield.
Speaker 3: If they get someone like him. With Nico Collins coming.
Speaker 1: Various, Layton certainly not a one to one fit. But
Speaker 1: when I look at their current roster, I kind of
Speaker 1: think Robert Woods is gonna play this role that Stefan
Speaker 1: Diggs was because Tank Dell isn't really built for that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been as good this year. They're only twenty
Speaker 1: fifth as an offense in success rate statistically, their passing
Speaker 1: game is about average in most metrics.
Speaker 2: So you lose Stefan Diggs, that's a big loss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Nico Collins he's on injured reserve until least
Speaker 4: week ten. So I mean it's I guess the timing
Speaker 4: of this. At at least it gives them a little flexibility,
Speaker 4: an option to potentially get someone. It's late in the
Speaker 4: game for a receiver, but at least this didn't happen
Speaker 4: right after the trade death.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 7: I'll throw out a name, but not the one you
Speaker 7: guys expect me to. What about two to two out well,
Speaker 7: because now that Cooper Cup and Pokin Nick sure back
Speaker 7: and they really like you don't under don't underrate him.
Speaker 7: I know that he hasn't had a lot of opportunities
Speaker 7: to He's played every position in this offense that has similar.
Speaker 2: Language just offered him the most foul taste.
Speaker 5: He plays bigger than.
Speaker 2: Just like wine that's been sitting out for plays.
Speaker 7: He plays bigger than he looks. I listen, I understand,
Speaker 7: I get it. But but he knows, he knows this
Speaker 7: offense and the Rams are probably not going to resign
Speaker 7: him after this year. Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup being back,
Speaker 7: Jordan Wittington emerged, that's the direction they're going to go
Speaker 7: with their offense.
Speaker 5: They'll probably at least, you know, have the conversation.
Speaker 2: I think there's a maximum.
Speaker 7: As much as I like Steve's face torn, you hate
Speaker 7: not to tow out all for.
Speaker 1: As much as I like my body diversity and accomplished.
Speaker 7: Okay, you blame you could blame Sean McVay a little
Speaker 7: bit on that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know is Eric.
Speaker 5: Eric's got a.
Speaker 6: Lot of receivers in tot Well Flash and training camp
Speaker 6: started the season bank bang and then.
Speaker 2: I mean NFL often are creative.
Speaker 1: I think there's only one slot for a guy who's
Speaker 1: under one hundred and sixty pounds on each in each
Speaker 1: wide run.
Speaker 5: Right, what he's the opposite of what.
Speaker 7: The Cardinals are doing on right taking that slot, shrinking
Speaker 7: on down.
Speaker 1: I really feel for Stefan Diggs too, because he is
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent.
Speaker 2: He had a void in his contract.
Speaker 1: This was always a prove it type of deal, and look,
Speaker 1: they might bring him back because okay, we got.
Speaker 2: To know you. You were a good fit with CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: His offers aren't going to be as good as as
Speaker 1: they would have been. He had quickly transitioned. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect this to be that quick, but to a guy
Speaker 1: who's averaging like ten point six yards per catch. It
Speaker 1: was not a guy who's going down the field but
Speaker 1: catching a very high percentage of balls. Was kind of
Speaker 1: transitioning to that veteran role where he wasn't as big
Speaker 1: of a playmaker, and so you hate to see that
Speaker 1: for him. He will be hitting free agency. He'll be
Speaker 1: thirty two years old next year. I hope they end
Speaker 1: up keeping him. Let's stay in the AFC South and
Speaker 1: talk about the move that Nick Shook and eye saw
Speaker 1: coming on the Monday Night Show when Shane Steiken did
Speaker 1: the thing where he said we're evaluating and that means
Speaker 1: they're making a change.
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson is being benched. How about that?
Speaker 1: Twenty two years old? Just a handful of starts this year.
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Steve will be the starter Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: When was the last time the Colts were in Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football? And now it's with Joe Flackey against his
Speaker 1: Vikings defense?
Speaker 6: Fine, Joe Flacco run the offense. Look at this, Two
Speaker 6: of the top four picks from last year's draft have
Speaker 6: been benched for Andy Dalton Joe Flacco. When you think
Speaker 6: about Bryce Young also hitting the pump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But they had to do this.
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson every game that he finished this year completed
Speaker 6: no more than fifty percent of his passes. That is
Speaker 6: torture to the other guys on that team. That's why
Speaker 6: you have to make a move like this, because when
Speaker 6: Joe Flacco played, the offense was functional.
Speaker 3: They're going with the deep ball.
Speaker 6: He's on schedule, he's not tapping out because he's tired.
Speaker 6: That move right there, is letely an excuse. But when
Speaker 6: you've got six guys up front, fighting their herd to
Speaker 6: protect you, to save your life, and you tap out
Speaker 6: because you're tired, nobody wants to hear that. But just
Speaker 6: go back to the fact that he's not ready. Everything
Speaker 6: we heard about him coming on the draft is he's
Speaker 6: just not ready. It's going to take him some time.
Speaker 6: So good on Chainsichon pull him back right now because
Speaker 6: he is in a he is in a tailspin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not good.
Speaker 6: And I'm sure the other dudes on that team after
Speaker 6: him tapping out or like huh uh, Joe.
Speaker 7: Flatcoin, Tapper probably can't even feel his body.
Speaker 4: That's Stephen Holder is treating all sorts of stuff about
Speaker 4: this decision. What the team had explained to him, people
Speaker 4: from the team that they want Richardson.
Speaker 2: To take a step back, that break they're.
Speaker 4: Giving him, they're not quitting on him right now. But yeah,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the experience. He's so raw, and you
Speaker 4: can see that just from the fact that he did
Speaker 4: tap out. They can't get the locker room behind him.
Speaker 4: How are you going to rally a bunch of guys
Speaker 4: after you do that?
Speaker 7: And I want to make the point too, when you're
Speaker 7: playing in season, if you're a young quarterback and you
Speaker 7: still need a ton of developmental work, you don't get
Speaker 7: that during practices. What your reps are during practices are
Speaker 7: game planning our offensive installation.
Speaker 5: They are not conditioning reps.
Speaker 7: In fact, you're probably deloading much more than you are
Speaker 7: actually getting into shape. You're doing things because of the
Speaker 7: injury that he previously saying. You're protecting the injury. You're prehabbing,
Speaker 7: you're post rehabbing, You're doing all of these things. You're
Speaker 7: not developing as an efficient thrower. Now, I do want
Speaker 7: to point out I think this is the right move,
Speaker 7: and I think that it gives him time to actually
Speaker 7: work with this programming that the cults are all bought
Speaker 7: into the same programming and biomechanics experts and private coaches
Speaker 7: that you can usually only work with during the off
Speaker 7: season that Josh Allen worked with when he was learning
Speaker 7: how to become a more efficient thrower and to fine
Speaker 7: tune some of his mechanics. That is the work that
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson needs to do in spades right now. He
Speaker 7: doesn't need to be sitting there taking in of that
Speaker 7: time to do things that are not actually getting him
Speaker 7: better as a thrower of the football. And it's not
Speaker 7: anyone's fault that they're not. It's just you have to
Speaker 7: go play football and plan games and try to win
Speaker 7: games and beat opponents. And Joe Flacco can do that.
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson does need this time, and I do know
Speaker 7: the Colts are invested in those practices and in those methods,
Speaker 7: So I think that this is a good thing for
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5: If we're looking at the five year plan.
Speaker 6: And they're there, they would be in the playoffs right now.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the thing. You look at their record
Speaker 6: in the AFC AFC they're five hundred, right, so that's
Speaker 6: the thing. If they were terrible, that's one thing. They're like,
Speaker 6: we're trying to win ball games. We are right there,
Speaker 6: just like we were last year. When you look at
Speaker 6: the rest of the AFC, the AFC East is probably
Speaker 6: only be one team now making the playoffs in that division.
Speaker 3: That's not what anybody thought. So they're trying to win.
Speaker 6: Get They've got a veteran Leydon roster guyas like DeForest Buckner,
Speaker 6: guys like that. Let's get to the playoffs and take
Speaker 6: a shot, because I think the AOFC is far more
Speaker 6: wide open than.
Speaker 4: We thought, and Joe Flacco seems like the perfect quarterback
Speaker 4: to learn learn from, if that is even a thing
Speaker 4: in the NFL. But Joe Flacco is one of the
Speaker 4: nicest guys in the world, and he's not thinking that
Speaker 4: he's going to be like leading the future of this
Speaker 4: franchise or anything. So I would imagine that that environment
Speaker 4: is a healthy one in the quarterback room.
Speaker 1: They should they should have just kept going with Flacco
Speaker 1: at the time instead of going back to Richardson.
Speaker 2: That's where it got a little messy.
Speaker 1: I think Richardson's in one of his biggest strengths there
Speaker 1: is intangibles in terms of his leadership and and I
Speaker 1: know he tapped out for that play, but in I
Speaker 1: think he'll be able to handle this. I think they
Speaker 1: love him there in the building as a person. But
Speaker 1: I've never seen a young quarterback more in his own
Speaker 1: head so as much as it could be about mechanics too,
Speaker 1: And he didn't have the off season because he was
Speaker 1: recovering from the shoulder injury. You could almost see him
Speaker 1: overthinking out there, like.
Speaker 8: He this is what happens when you draft potential.
Speaker 2: He was playing tight.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams I thought on that and that Game's Sunday,
Speaker 1: like you could see him coming off the BIB playing
Speaker 1: a little tight. But Richardson especially just felt like he
Speaker 1: was he was not playing loose. Now, their numbers as
Speaker 1: as a running team when He's on the field versus
Speaker 1: when Flacco's on the field are quite different. They're much
Speaker 1: better now. They didn't have Jonathan Taylor for those Flaco starts.
Speaker 1: That's a huge part of it. But you have to
Speaker 1: change the offense a little bit and you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: a little bit in the running.
Speaker 2: I do look at the schedule.
Speaker 1: I expect Anthony Richardson starts again this year, probably by December.
Speaker 1: They're not going to keep starting Joe Flacco. And Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco's older, you know, is he gonna last to the
Speaker 1: end of the season.
Speaker 2: You don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's the schedule. My point is he has to win that.
Speaker 1: Here are their games before the bye at Minnesota, home
Speaker 1: for Bills, at the Jets, home for Lions, at the Patriots. Now,
Speaker 1: if Joe Flacco cannot beat one of the three best
Speaker 1: teams and like three of the best teams in the
Speaker 1: league are the Vikings, the Bills, and the Lions. Let's
Speaker 1: say they lose all three of those and they're you know,
Speaker 1: and let's say they beat the Jets, They're five and seven.
Speaker 1: We're hitting December. They probably go back to Richard maybe,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: I'm I am not counting them out with Flacco, I
Speaker 3: am not counting them out.
Speaker 9: You know what.
Speaker 7: I love was listening to Chris Long's podcast green Light,
Speaker 7: and Joe Flacco was telling this story about how when
Speaker 7: he gets out of bed in the mornings, he can't
Speaker 7: stand up straight all the way until he finally makes it,
Speaker 7: you know, several feet down the hall to the bathroom
Speaker 7: and finally man and finally.
Speaker 3: Me either.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's play for five straight weeks as the starter
Speaker 1: and no, that's that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I guarantee Matthew Stafford probably feels the.
Speaker 5: Same, probably crawling at this place.
Speaker 3: This is not that is not a unique situation post
Speaker 3: now it is.
Speaker 1: It is a great It is a great story, a
Speaker 1: great like I want Joe Flacco to do it. Let's
Speaker 1: get that win against the Vikings. I'll be rooting for
Speaker 1: the Colts. That would be fun. And you mentioned it's
Speaker 1: it's not a developed developmental league, and Richardson needs it.
Speaker 2: He's only started twenty two games since high school.
Speaker 7: I like what Colleen said is this is what happens
Speaker 7: when you draft potential. There's nothing wrong with drafting potential,
Speaker 7: like she alluded to, but you have to also have
Speaker 7: the infrastructure and the patients to manage that potential and
Speaker 7: to develop and blossom that potential in a league that
Speaker 7: is not built for that at all.
Speaker 3: You got to know your locker room.
Speaker 6: I mean that's more than you have to know your
Speaker 6: locker room is if they're going to be patient enough.
Speaker 6: Like when Trey Lance went to the forty nine ers,
Speaker 6: that actually was a very good situation for him. They
Speaker 6: had everything built in for him, a great culture. He
Speaker 6: just couldn't play right. That's what it came down to.
Speaker 6: But if you put Bryce Young with the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 6: and he's playing with you know, a bunch of traffic collings,
Speaker 6: I mean no, no, not disparaging, but yes, at the
Speaker 6: same time, that's not helping this guy.
Speaker 3: No, that's not having a plan.
Speaker 1: Now people are like, what about his confidence, and there's
Speaker 1: reports he was devastated, but they're not worried about, like,
Speaker 1: of course he's going to be devastated. I've heard starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks say like, this is the worst thing that can happen.
Speaker 1: You do sometimes you come back you feel a little
Speaker 1: freed up from it because the worst thing has already happened.
Speaker 1: And yes, this is a guy who's two and a
Speaker 1: half years younger than Bonicks, a year and a half
Speaker 1: younger than Jadan Daniels certainly hasn't played nearly as much
Speaker 1: football as him, so there's a lot of time here.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I just wonder how that messes with his
Speaker 4: head as someone who is so young and inexperienced.
Speaker 2: He'll be fine, fine.
Speaker 3: I can feel it.
Speaker 1: If he's going to have a good career, he'll still
Speaker 1: have it. I don't think I don't think this is
Speaker 1: gonna make or break Anthony Richardson. Look, we saw Drew
Speaker 1: Brees get benched for Doug Flutie back in the day.
Speaker 2: He had a pretty good career.
Speaker 3: Let's go if you know, the kids have no idea
Speaker 3: what you were talking about.
Speaker 2: Doug Flutey or Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, people forget this whole chargers up and
Speaker 1: down where people his coach hated him in San Diego.
Speaker 8: I was trying to think of football historian, how.
Speaker 1: Many different not many like high, highly touted, top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have been benched though and went on to have a
Speaker 1: good career. It actually hasn't that many. Alex Smith is
Speaker 1: another one that has. Drew Brees is, you know, at
Speaker 1: the top of the list, at least for the last
Speaker 1: twenty years. All right, we're going to talk about some
Speaker 1: players who are at no risk of being benched in
Speaker 1: just the second.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 9: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
Speaker 9: of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
Speaker 9: a lifetime. These brid iron heroes are used to leading
Speaker 9: their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
Speaker 9: and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?
Speaker 2: You ain't everything you have with the gobas tied you.
Speaker 5: We find a way to win.
Speaker 7: The No matter what.
Speaker 9: The stakes are high and the competition is fierce, only
Speaker 9: one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who
Speaker 9: will rise to the top and who will be sacked?
Speaker 1: They wrote me off, I ain't right back though, well,
Speaker 1: I'm right back.
Speaker 3: Let's go. This is Quarterback of Ireland.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: We are the look of it. This total joy on
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodriggs's face. Thank you Randy Chavis for voicing that.
Speaker 1: Thank you to g Know Smith, one of the current
Speaker 1: twelve members of Quarterback Island. If you haven't been with
Speaker 1: us on the first two editions, we're doing this once
Speaker 1: a month every four weeks during the season, deciding who
Speaker 1: are the quarterbacks that define the position right now? Who
Speaker 1: is playing the best in twenty twenty four. You can
Speaker 1: interpret it however you wish, but there are twelve members,
Speaker 1: as decided by us, the panelists that are currently on
Speaker 1: Quarterback Island. So just so to go over it, let's
Speaker 1: talk about him and I'm gonna go alphabetical order, so
Speaker 1: you know we're not playing any favorites. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, Sam Darnold got put onto the island.
Speaker 2: That's a problem with that all right now, Jared.
Speaker 3: No, you heard the pause. Good catch, Colleen.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff also got put onto the island last time around.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, Brock Purty. They've been
Speaker 1: there all along. Gino Smith got onto the island last
Speaker 1: time around this Matthew Stafford and c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud. So that's after week four. Here we are after
Speaker 2: week eight.
Speaker 3: Wow, that flew by, Yeah did it?
Speaker 5: Though I do measure time.
Speaker 1: People say that island, but that feels so long ago. Honestly, yes,
Speaker 1: you hadn't even You hadn't even lived in the in
Speaker 1: the Kimpton Fitzroy in London for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: You either then I hadn't been on the back of
Speaker 6: a motorcycle over in London either.
Speaker 2: That's true and.
Speaker 3: Evil what you know?
Speaker 2: Just think.
Speaker 1: I do feel like these seasons, like people say, they
Speaker 1: move fast.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: At the end, you blink and it feels like it's over.
Speaker 1: But it's like that feels like a million years ago.
Speaker 8: When you're in it.
Speaker 4: It is a different method of time somehow, like we're
Speaker 4: in some other simulation while we're in it.
Speaker 8: But then after it's like, oh my gosh, that was quick.
Speaker 5: Maybe we are in back island. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 5: like lost. Time has different.
Speaker 1: Don't give away potential surprise season finale, And yes we
Speaker 1: do have some twists. One I will introduce to you
Speaker 1: right now there is gonna be a function of the show.
Speaker 4: Greg by the way, is the producer of this, and
Speaker 4: he's also a contestant.
Speaker 2: Josh, he's kind of an every power.
Speaker 3: Pots on the back end, he's also trying to place
Speaker 3: Van Gali.
Speaker 1: I'm selling this the syndication. It's all happening.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell us about the twists.
Speaker 1: Okay, the rip. There is a new part of the
Speaker 1: show called the Riptide and for the.
Speaker 2: Entire rest of the season.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, yes, oh my god, yeah, baby.
Speaker 5: Steve crawling to the.
Speaker 2: Bathroom thinks Dad, that's a granddad joke.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Stafford. We might need to work.
Speaker 1: On the riptide one now because every time I hear it,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to think about.
Speaker 3: The riptide.
Speaker 5: Oh all right, No, own the.
Speaker 3: Hot tub and autin powers each.
Speaker 1: One of you for the rest of this entire season
Speaker 1: through the playoffs, and we will have a version of
Speaker 1: it in the playoffs. You can and use one riptide
Speaker 1: just once the whole rest of the season. That means
Speaker 1: you have there's someone on the island that you are
Speaker 1: taking off and there can be no argument to it,
Speaker 1: so that the whole show could have just put them
Speaker 1: onto the island and you could take them back off
Speaker 1: one singular, one single player, and you can use it
Speaker 1: this show if you want. You can use it next
Speaker 1: time around. You can use it at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. You can hold that card in your pocket.
Speaker 1: You have a riptide card.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're dunking somebody in the shallow water, just.
Speaker 1: So that, like, if you feel that strong, and it
Speaker 1: could be strategic too, you could hold that over someone,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to get what you want.
Speaker 2: Let's vote.
Speaker 1: So we just talked about the full screen. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just talked about the Quarterback Island, the members that
Speaker 1: are there. Now I think let's just start by introducing
Speaker 1: who I would suggest just be locks to stay on
Speaker 1: the island.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we're not going to vote until the very end
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 3: All right, what you got sound?
Speaker 1: Why are you because we didn't I forgot to talk
Speaker 1: about this with you before the show. That's all okay,
Speaker 1: that we're not voting till the very end. I would
Speaker 1: suggest there are six, probably seven locks to remain on
Speaker 1: the island that don't need a lot of discussion. We
Speaker 1: can talk about them just as players, but that they
Speaker 1: remain on the island. Of the twelve current members that
Speaker 1: are on the island right now, here is who I
Speaker 1: suggest remain without a vote. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen MVP candidate,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, MVP candidate Joe Burrow playing well. Jaden Daniels
Speaker 1: has done absolutely nothing to take him off the island
Speaker 1: MVP candidate CJ. Stroud, and I would say since we
Speaker 1: put Jared Goff on the island last time around, it's
Speaker 1: hard to say the way that he's played since Week five,
Speaker 1: there'd be any oh reason, no disagreement, possibly, are there
Speaker 1: any disagreements even a c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud?
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, and any thought, So just any of
Speaker 1: those guys you want to just get out there while we're.
Speaker 7: Here, found something interesting, you know. The difficult thing with
Speaker 7: how with what's going on with c J. Stroud right
Speaker 7: now is obviously his offensive line, particularly.
Speaker 5: In past protection.
Speaker 7: Next Gen stats found his pressure rate to be on
Speaker 7: forty one percent of his dropbacks, which is the most
Speaker 7: of any like if we're going to just like loosely
Speaker 7: frame like a quality starter in the NFL right now.
Speaker 7: But it's interesting when you compare that to the pressure
Speaker 7: that Jared Goff is actually getting He's at now a
Speaker 7: thirty four point four percent PRESSU rate. Some of that's
Speaker 7: based on opponent recently and what they were trying to
Speaker 7: do to him. He's right behind like a Gino Smith
Speaker 7: for example, which we know his offensive line has also
Speaker 7: been atrocious. And so I'm basically arguing, you know that
Speaker 7: these are very two, very different teams and what the
Speaker 7: Houston Texans are, what's happening to them right now, and
Speaker 7: what we.
Speaker 5: Know the Lions, how we know them to be built.
Speaker 7: C J. Stroud is making the most out of what
Speaker 7: is happening with him. But actually pressure is increase seeing
Speaker 7: on Jared Goff because people are actually trying to see, oh,
Speaker 7: is this the same Jared Goff who could get frazzled,
Speaker 7: who would start playing worse once the pressure increased. But
Speaker 7: he currently leads all qualified quarterbacks in yards per attempt,
Speaker 7: completion percentage cpoe so completion yards over completion percentage over expected,
Speaker 7: and passer rating when under pressure this season.
Speaker 8: They have the best offensive line the Lions, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they're designing pressure appoints are designing pressure against
Speaker 7: them differently now, So he is getting better left, but
Speaker 7: he's managing pressure differently and just go back and watch
Speaker 7: Lions Vikings.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of gonna throw out whatever last week was.
Speaker 5: It was just fun. It was like an absurd box
Speaker 5: score was hilarious.
Speaker 7: But when you go back, yeah, he threw three touchdowns
Speaker 7: on fifteen pass. But when we're actually going back, like,
Speaker 7: I don't really want to hear the Jared Goff pressure
Speaker 7: argument at this moment right now from not at this table,
Speaker 7: of course, not but externally because he's actually managing things
Speaker 7: better when you go back and watch that game and
Speaker 7: watch him orchestrate the line. The way that he did
Speaker 7: that was really savvy, smart quarterback play, and it was
Speaker 7: a veteran quarterback play where he's manipulating the pressure, not
Speaker 7: the other way around. That's the difference in really sealing
Speaker 7: him on this island right now for me, why I
Speaker 7: don't think there's an argument even if there was, I
Speaker 7: just don't think there should be.
Speaker 5: And similar to c. J.
Speaker 7: Stroud, the way he's playing in consideration of all the pressure.
Speaker 5: It's interesting.
Speaker 7: These are two very different situations and marginally like a
Speaker 7: little bit of a different pressure rate here, but they're
Speaker 7: both managing it to the best of their abilities, which
Speaker 7: I think has actually increased in terms of what they're
Speaker 7: able to do year over year.
Speaker 4: He stays on the island, his family can come as well,
Speaker 4: like it pirks.
Speaker 6: But basically, Jordan saying is a nerve of Ben Johnson
Speaker 6: taking the ball out of golf hands letting David Montgomery
Speaker 6: throw it back, Like what the.
Speaker 2: Hell does have some funky numbers.
Speaker 1: He is just having like a bizarre season that he's
Speaker 1: like twenty third in QBR and not in the top
Speaker 1: twenty in PFF. It is an eyeball test of like
Speaker 1: you watch CJ. Stroud and to me, it's just so
Speaker 1: clear that he is one of the I would say
Speaker 1: eight best quarterbacks in the league, So I don't need
Speaker 1: to see the numbers. GOFF is having an incredible season
Speaker 1: and but the numbers are a little bit all over
Speaker 1: the place. And part of that is situational that he's
Speaker 1: in such advantageous situations. There's a stack called EPA plus
Speaker 1: where it's like, based on the situation of the plays
Speaker 1: that you have a positive of what's expected or not,
Speaker 1: and he's averaging that. Part of that is because the
Speaker 1: Lions are always in great situation. Yeah, GoF is taking
Speaker 1: advantage of it. No argument, he's honest.
Speaker 5: Interesting finding here's one.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is just to be a jerk like
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahonells like the dude, right, but he's got the
Speaker 6: he got the lop sided touched on interception.
Speaker 2: Huh oh yeah, he's he touched.
Speaker 3: On his nine picks.
Speaker 6: It is crazy, right if we're talking about But now
Speaker 6: here's the thing though, with two minutes with with a
Speaker 6: minute thirty left in the game, do you want anybody else.
Speaker 3: On asylum but him?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, so and this is probably gonna flip
Speaker 6: the more they could d hop and stuff in it.
Speaker 6: But that to me, when you're looking at the guys
Speaker 6: who are locks, if you just go statistically like he's receptions.
Speaker 7: He's vacillated to between like the fifteen to seventeen EPA
Speaker 7: per dropback range to like as high as eight, and
Speaker 7: the Chiefs are seven to zero. But their offense is
Speaker 7: the second lowest EPA per game since twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 7: their first lowest was in twenty twenty three by significant margin.
Speaker 7: So caveat, caveat, caveat, what did they do in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three anyway, despite having that, But yeah, to your point,
Speaker 7: it is really speaking of lopsided stats and lopsided numbers.
Speaker 5: He is certainly a descriptor of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, plays they're getting ready to take off.
Speaker 1: You're not seeing the wild plays, but you're seeing the
Speaker 1: This is why he does well in PFF, for instance,
Speaker 1: versus other stuff, is because he's just getting little little gains,
Speaker 1: little plusses every play. He's making smart decisions. You're not
Speaker 1: seeing the big time throws. It is crazy, though, to
Speaker 1: be in week eight and he has nine interceptions eight.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be locked into that stat more
Speaker 1: than others. All Right, Let's let's just throw the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys in one big bucket, okay, And by
Speaker 1: that I mean the players that we've decided are not
Speaker 1: locks that were on the island, okay. And that's Dak
Speaker 1: Press at Sam Darnold, it's Brock pretty you know Smith
Speaker 1: and Matthew Stafford. But what I'm going to say is
Speaker 1: that we're going to discuss all these guys and the
Speaker 1: players who could potentially be added all as one. We're
Speaker 1: not going to vote until the very end, so we're.
Speaker 8: Looking at me again.
Speaker 1: I'm just let's go over here.
Speaker 6: Time Jordan's Jordan's cord that's closer to him is actually, who.
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about first? I want to
Speaker 2: talk about someone not on the list.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 2: Let's talk Kirk Cousins. Let's just talk a little.
Speaker 5: I figured I thought, I think okay.
Speaker 1: Also, you guys are what making alliance as ahead of
Speaker 1: time paranoid one of my two Okay, so what does
Speaker 1: that mean, two guys.
Speaker 7: That you think you were present voting? You were present
Speaker 7: for this conversation.
Speaker 2: This is not voting until the end.
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying, and I'm lobbing for Kirk Change, okay,
Speaker 6: because you know, we come to your trap, we take
Speaker 6: your trap. And that's exactly what he's going to do
Speaker 6: to somebody on this island. Kirko Change is lit up
Speaker 6: the bucks twice in the past three weeks, lit them up.
Speaker 6: But now he's got Kyle pitchrolling. He's got this offense
Speaker 6: functioning like they thought of. He stands in the pocket,
Speaker 6: he doesn't move. But you look at Kirko's numbers. Number
Speaker 6: he's a third ranked quarterback. He's got twenty one hundred
Speaker 6: yards seven point eight yards attempt, that's one of the
Speaker 6: best in the NFL. He's got the two to one
Speaker 6: touchdown to interception ratio. But the last few weeks the
Speaker 6: swag surfer. He's a surfer. He can surf.
Speaker 3: Onto the island. Oh god, oh my god, Kirko Change
Speaker 3: has been doing it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean his mobility is about the size of a surfboard.
Speaker 1: Though we are looking at Kirk's scramble. If you're watching
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you could measure it, you know how next
Speaker 1: Gens that's usually does like the twenty two miles an hour.
Speaker 1: They actually did that with like a sun dial with
Speaker 1: Kirkin screen. They just put it upside down and that's
Speaker 1: how it was a special.
Speaker 7: Next right, He's been really good against the Bucks and
Speaker 7: then with who on defense exactly eight touchdowns against the Bucks,
Speaker 7: six touchdowns against everybody else.
Speaker 5: Oh good stat.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: If he was only playing the Bucks, he'd definitely be
Speaker 1: on it. Now some of the overall stats, like he
Speaker 1: is sixth and completion percentage over expected, he's like, he's
Speaker 1: that's he's on the island in all these advanced stats
Speaker 1: where he's about eight to tenth or eleventh. And there
Speaker 1: is something that I consider when it comes to quarterback island,
Speaker 1: which is who is defining the position right now, there
Speaker 1: is who matters tangible and everyone could be different. It's
Speaker 1: it's a combination. Who's playing the best, But who's it
Speaker 1: this season? And I gotta say stationary Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: He's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell the story of this season
Speaker 1: without Kirk Cousins. He is a huge figure. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: all these primetime games or whatever, but he's given us
Speaker 1: a lot of entertainment. He's in the mix, he's making
Speaker 1: it good, he's making it happen. So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how I feel. That's what I say.
Speaker 2: I don't have a plan.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I feel, but he deserves strong consideration.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I I go back and forth because again, he
Speaker 7: is such a statue and they clearly have had to
Speaker 7: manipulate a bunch of what they do on offense in
Speaker 7: order to That.
Speaker 1: Sort of makes it more impressive in a weird way,
Speaker 1: that that he's still that productive, Like he's like Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: except actually good.
Speaker 7: I don't know, because they're actually they're just asking him
Speaker 7: to get you know, some of these quick passes and
Speaker 7: particularly efficient passes, and he's made some tough throws. Don't
Speaker 7: get me wrong, but he's just like get the ball
Speaker 7: into the hands of the playmakers. This is the same
Speaker 7: argument that you potentially were knocking Rock Purty for at
Speaker 7: the very beginning of this sea and time.
Speaker 3: In the name of Matthew Stafford and Dak.
Speaker 5: Prescott against them. No, no, trust me on that.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm bringing up a point, like.
Speaker 1: It's just pushbackers with you on that is, if you
Speaker 1: made a reel of all these quarterbacks ten best throws
Speaker 1: of the year, Kirk Cousins would be, you're the top
Speaker 1: of the best. He has spun it this year, like
Speaker 1: at a really impressive level. That reminded me like, this
Speaker 1: guy is a natural throw of the field because it's
Speaker 1: all he has left. So it's not all checkdowns Like
Speaker 1: let's suck Baker then, because actually I kind of put
Speaker 1: these two guys next to each other a little bit, okay,
Speaker 1: because they've just played each other a couple of times.
Speaker 2: The numbers are crazy, leading the league in touchdown pass
Speaker 2: close twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're actually also first in passing success rate. Now,
Speaker 1: I thought last week was instructive. Everything is ten yards
Speaker 1: or less, and when it's over that, it gets nasty
Speaker 1: and some of the advanced numbers sixteenth in QBR nineteenth
Speaker 1: and completion percentage over expected. It says, maybe it's more
Speaker 1: about the offense and the receivers than it is about Baker.
Speaker 4: What do you think about the Baker cr I mean,
Speaker 4: I think Baker just based on his numbers, he has
Speaker 4: a shot to be on there.
Speaker 8: But I don't know who who would you take off staff?
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna go. We're going through all of them.
Speaker 6: But what you just said, it may be more about
Speaker 6: the offense negative. If you watch Bucks games, Baker has driven, yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of this offense.
Speaker 5: He pushes the ball.
Speaker 3: He has been fantastic.
Speaker 8: He's got that moxie.
Speaker 3: He's got that moxie.
Speaker 6: But I mean, I'm just saying, with what they've tried
Speaker 6: to do, whether it be quick game, whether he's pushing
Speaker 6: the ball down the field, he is the reason why
Speaker 6: their offense is working now four.
Speaker 1: Weeks I disagree. I think it's the offensive line and
Speaker 1: the receivers and that.
Speaker 6: They don't have any I totally beg you watch That's
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Four weeks or not, Baker's on, Baker's not going to
Speaker 3: be on.
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like we'll talk about in the moment,
Speaker 6: like he's going to be a past tense guy in
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks just because of the lack of weapons.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I agree with you on that, Steve, because
Speaker 7: and that's why I would put if you have Kirk
Speaker 7: and Baker clustered together, That's why I would assent put Kirk,
Speaker 7: because it's like it's like it's like a star sign
Speaker 7: or a horoscope. It's Kirk Cousins ascending, you know, and
Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield descending or someone's moon is in sagittarius or whatever,
Speaker 7: and so I don't know, and so but I but
Speaker 7: I do think that's that's what I one of the
Speaker 7: things that I factored in, not necessarily projecting for the
Speaker 7: sake of projecting, but also who is catching fire at
Speaker 7: the right time, who is continuing to, you know, make
Speaker 7: these plays.
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins. You cannot argue with that. Baker. I'm more
Speaker 5: skeptical now than I would have been two and.
Speaker 3: A half week.
Speaker 1: So to be fair, I don't want to be a
Speaker 1: victim of just last week Kirk. Kirk had a rough
Speaker 1: game against Seattle. That's just two weeks ago. But the
Speaker 1: fact that Baker team was Baker and Kirk went against
Speaker 1: each other twice.
Speaker 2: Split Yeah, against the Bucks and then everyone else.
Speaker 1: The fact that they went against each other though twice,
Speaker 1: and Kirk looked better and both of those matchups weren't
Speaker 1: thrown like head scratching interceptions in both of those matchups. Rather,
Speaker 1: Baker didn't the first time around, he did last time,
Speaker 1: and he's had two straight rights of that.
Speaker 2: That that to me gives in ed. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: one of the guys. How about I'm gonna throw one out.
Speaker 4: Real quick, because this would really change the dynamic of
Speaker 4: the island in general. If we put Aaron Rodgers on
Speaker 4: the island, the psychedelics that would happen on this island.
Speaker 8: Would be insane.
Speaker 2: Imagine the possibilities.
Speaker 4: You have all of these quarterbacks that should be on
Speaker 4: Quarterback Island, and then you bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: It would be good for exactly Well, you're the producer.
Speaker 7: This is about the time you throw in a giant
Speaker 7: house twist, right, you drop some villain into the house
Speaker 7: house twist everyone.
Speaker 3: That's the rip Tide.
Speaker 1: You guys could use it today if you wanted we
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. If Rogers was on there and
Speaker 1: everyone was mad and as a riptidere's he's so the
Speaker 1: shaman for everyone. I don't think he's been as bad
Speaker 1: as people want to make us be. That said, he's
Speaker 1: either amazing or looking like he's forty six years old, like,
Speaker 1: and there's no one between, and there's too much of
Speaker 1: the forty six year old.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you how I'm voting right now. I'm not
Speaker 5: putting him on the island.
Speaker 7: Just because this is not a serious no no right
Speaker 7: for sure, but just when you when you yeah, for
Speaker 7: the sake of the conversation, you know, I think I
Speaker 7: just do think that, Like when you go out and
Speaker 7: get a quarterback like that, you expect them to consistently
Speaker 7: play at a level that elevates the entire roster, right,
Speaker 7: and that is the message that you're sending. And if
Speaker 7: you are a little st on the streakier side, if
Speaker 7: you also can't move, but you're not necessarily also elevating
Speaker 7: everybody else around you, whether it's from a personal like
Speaker 7: I mean, there's just been chaos over the last couple.
Speaker 4: Who we have the TNF preview coming up too, so
Speaker 4: like I mean, there's a ton to talk about with
Speaker 4: the Jets.
Speaker 1: Good, good point, Rogers. We'll bring him up for a
Speaker 1: vote later, but I think he's facing it up.
Speaker 6: Put the Colleen balloon out here. If we're going that way,
Speaker 6: Jamis would be the most fun person.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yes, Jamis quoting eminem I can't.
Speaker 8: I just love everything?
Speaker 3: Yes, who is mate?
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be here in four weeks we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston.
Speaker 2: No, that would be perfect. What year is it? Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Stafford, one of the guys that was on
Speaker 1: it right now, coming off his best game of the season.
Speaker 1: If he didn't have that performance on Thursday night, he
Speaker 1: would have a tough case. But you get your receivers
Speaker 1: back and you play better. And we thought he was
Speaker 1: worthy in the first four weeks, Like, like.
Speaker 6: My only issue with him, because remember I fought against him,
Speaker 6: had nothing to do with him necessarily. It's just the
Speaker 6: other guys. I thought we're playing better with him. That's
Speaker 6: the only argument I would make right now, you talk
Speaker 6: about the ascending players, I mean we we saw Matt
Speaker 6: Stafford do that Thursday night.
Speaker 3: He looked like, oh yeah, he got.
Speaker 4: A care package on the island with Pooka and.
Speaker 1: Cooper, right, is is QB island about projection though? Or
Speaker 1: is what you've done this season? And it can't just be.
Speaker 3: I, P and F. That's that's the argument.
Speaker 6: That's just like the hundred best players at twenty twenty five,
Speaker 6: we're not talking about past. We're talking about what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: It's a projection or past. So you know, this is
Speaker 6: tough because there are there are three dudes who I
Speaker 6: think could really push to get on. That's why I
Speaker 6: think Matthew Stafford is still on the on the teeter totter.
Speaker 1: This Okay, it's gonna be close, and yet he does
Speaker 1: not farewell to PFF's overall grades, which in theory should
Speaker 1: remove like the surroundings, but doesn't. Really it's impossible to
Speaker 1: do twenty ninth, he's eleventh in QBR twenty fifth and
Speaker 1: completion percentage over expected.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 1: How about Darnold. He got on last time around. He's
Speaker 1: only played three games since. One was a win where
Speaker 1: he played terribly against the Jets in London where he
Speaker 1: really dragged them down. I thought he had a couple
Speaker 1: of plays and then there was a couple of losses
Speaker 1: where I don't think he was the problem. No, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't exactly. It wasn't necessarily the solution. Maybe not
Speaker 1: quarterback island worthy.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I feel like he should still be on quarterback island
Speaker 4: and that he's being judged on his name and not
Speaker 4: his play.
Speaker 8: As Chris Wesseling would say, when you look.
Speaker 4: At his first four games, Darnold obviously completed sixty eight
Speaker 4: percent of his passes league high eleven touchdowns, three interceptions.
Speaker 4: He was throwing the ball downfield an average depth of
Speaker 4: target of.
Speaker 8: Eight point eight.
Speaker 4: But obviously then came the horror show in London against
Speaker 4: the Jets.
Speaker 2: They watched it.
Speaker 4: That was the worst game for him of the season.
Speaker 4: But the last two weeks he's completing seventy six percent
Speaker 4: of his passes, four hundred and ninety nine yards, three touchdowns,
Speaker 4: one interception. He's getting hit a ton and he's you're old,
Speaker 4: they're winning is what we're winning?
Speaker 3: What do your eyes tell you?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like, if you're going to be
Speaker 1: on the island, you've got to be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: Is he a difference maker? Is he going up and down?
Speaker 1: What his surroundings are numbers why sixteenth and PFF twentieth
Speaker 1: over the last four weeks, thirteenth in QBR. He also
Speaker 1: doesn't throw the ball that much, which kind of matters
Speaker 1: to me, like guys who maybe have to do more
Speaker 1: twelfth and success rate fifteenth and epa. So what that
Speaker 1: would say is like he's sort of on the borderline
Speaker 1: despite a good situation, even statistic.
Speaker 7: You're reaching the part of the Sam Darnold gear. You've
Speaker 7: seen this sometimes with quarterbacks in the past, and there's
Speaker 7: no reason to think that he can't progress forward after
Speaker 7: sort of hitting a neutral zone a little bit with
Speaker 7: what he's doing right now. But you're reaching the part
Speaker 7: of it's not bad, but it's also not elevating. It's
Speaker 7: being elevated by and that's fine, especially in the middle
Speaker 7: portion of the year when it's the weather starts to change,
Speaker 7: when you start to figure things out after a couple
Speaker 7: of bad losses. Losing his left tackle when we talk
Speaker 7: about ascending or losing the left tackle is going to.
Speaker 3: Be really tough because they left that was really good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so but I think you're starting to see
Speaker 7: the version of Sam Darnald and you expected this to
Speaker 7: be coming. This is not a bad thing where Kevin
Speaker 7: ok the Kevin O'Connell factor, and leaning on the offensive
Speaker 7: coordinator and leaning on excuse me on the on the
Speaker 7: play caller and the game designer to and the playmakers
Speaker 7: around to now lift the quarterback just a little bit
Speaker 7: higher where he's not, like I said, not bad, but
Speaker 7: just sort of in that neutrality point, that that sort
Speaker 7: of middle median zone where you're not necessarily the one
Speaker 7: elevating the team around you.
Speaker 6: I like that argument because so many other people I
Speaker 6: think should be on put him at a risk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing point.
Speaker 1: And sometimes the stats I think Sam Sam Donald's passing,
Speaker 1: like basic passing that's always look a little better. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like Russell wasn't because the things he struggles
Speaker 1: with are he take he fumbles the ball, He takes
Speaker 1: too many sacks like that safety that should have been
Speaker 1: called the penalty. He should have not been holding the
Speaker 1: ball so long on that play. That was bad quarterback.
Speaker 1: And he's just sitting back there. That twenty yard sack
Speaker 1: that he took earlier in that Thursday was a good
Speaker 1: Those don't show up in the box scores necessarily. How
Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts your guy in Philly coming off one
Speaker 1: of his best games.
Speaker 2: Of his career. Yeah, that was a great season.
Speaker 1: Thrown over the middle of the field and on design
Speaker 1: runs like the two things that you get on him for,
Speaker 1: and he played great. They're playing better overall. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he deserves that game conversation.
Speaker 4: He had his highest passer rating, three rushing touchdowns. He
Speaker 4: has five rushing touchdowns in the last two games. The
Speaker 4: Eagles have won three straight games, and he's dealing with
Speaker 4: Nick Sirianni on top of all of them.
Speaker 8: So I think that he deserves a ticket to the Island.
Speaker 7: Question for the group, how many games per sample size
Speaker 7: are in our quarterback Island selections?
Speaker 2: Oh, the whole season.
Speaker 5: But when we were talking.
Speaker 7: About how we section out splits things like that, it's
Speaker 7: we go four games at a time, right, So that's
Speaker 7: it's a hypothetical question.
Speaker 1: Since last time, I'm personally taking the whole season into account,
Speaker 1: but kind of recapping what's happened since last time and
Speaker 1: added to the mix.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, that was.
Speaker 7: A hypothetical, but I'm using it to say over the
Speaker 7: last three games, not just the last game, but the
Speaker 7: last three games have been some of the best Jalen
Speaker 7: Hurts football that we've seen in a while. He's third
Speaker 7: in EPA per dropback over the last three games, and
Speaker 7: he has nine touchdowns. He's forty two for fifty nine
Speaker 7: with no interceptions, seventy one point two percent complete completion percentage,
Speaker 7: and they have their run game going and he's managing
Speaker 7: some of the things that are necessary for them to
Speaker 7: have this balanced offense again despite some of.
Speaker 5: The circumstances that they went through earlier.
Speaker 7: So I would say, like, it's not just the one
Speaker 7: game that's spiking his case.
Speaker 5: I think it's three games.
Speaker 1: I pushed back a little because I think the two
Speaker 1: previous were not good Jalen Hurts. They were good statistically,
Speaker 1: but he's seeing the field and they are transitioning to
Speaker 1: a run first type.
Speaker 5: Of I think he was seeing it a little bit slow,
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Slower right, not like open receivers and not taking it,
Speaker 1: and like, like, I have a feeling he didn't grade
Speaker 1: that well within the team in those couple games. I
Speaker 1: have a tough one with him because I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. He's coming off a good game, but I
Speaker 1: also see that he's maybe not the most important person
Speaker 1: in the happy.
Speaker 6: I'm with you on that, and that's that's why I'm like,
Speaker 6: he was great, you know, and having a j Brown
Speaker 6: back makes all of a difference. Right We're seeing these
Speaker 6: quarterbacks getting their number one receivers back Matthew Stafford and
Speaker 6: playing well. But I just coming off a great game.
Speaker 6: But the other two people in Philadelphia were still ready
Speaker 6: to run him out the door.
Speaker 8: No, not him.
Speaker 3: They were not loving it.
Speaker 4: I mean it was It was a lot of Sirianni.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of the coaching staff. That was
Speaker 4: a lot of the Kellen Moore in the play calling.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for Nick Sirianni to have this is it.
Speaker 1: This is the first week of the entire season where
Speaker 1: he can be like, yeah, that's the main story.
Speaker 7: On No.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: He's like like, no one's gonna make fun of my
Speaker 1: haircut anymore.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk. He's on the fence. If we
Speaker 3: pull enough people off, he gets on. Okay, I've got
Speaker 3: some other people.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dak is a guy we're not voting on right now.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I'm out of pocket to say,
Speaker 1: of all the guys who have been on, he's vulnerable.
Speaker 5: I think he's very vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Okay, explain anyone want to explain why you think he's vulnerable.
Speaker 6: I mean, what are they got going on? I mean,
Speaker 6: he hasn't been horrible, but we talk about difference makers. Yeah, yeah, again,
Speaker 6: not all that's on him. He's got Cede Lamb and.
Speaker 1: Exactly and the numbers, so I don't think he's playing well.
Speaker 2: I think you can.
Speaker 4: He has one game with a one hundred passer rating
Speaker 4: and the rest are sub ninety two.
Speaker 2: The numbers are brutal for him.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixth PFF, twenty third QBR, twenty eighth EPA per play,
Speaker 1: twenty ninth success rate, like.
Speaker 2: Not even in the zip code.
Speaker 1: Now, I think he's better than all that, but I
Speaker 1: do believe in Dak press got enough that he should
Speaker 1: be better than this.
Speaker 2: I think it's the worst he's played as a pro.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: I guess a couple of years ago he had some interceptions,
Speaker 1: but I think he was playing well and having some
Speaker 1: bad luck and making some mistakes.
Speaker 2: This time, it's just.
Speaker 7: I would sort of add to that point to being like,
Speaker 7: you can ask your quarterback if you are an above
Speaker 7: average to elite level quarterback, somewhere in that window or
Speaker 7: that that general tier. You can ask your quarterback to
Speaker 7: do a lot of things for you, and they did.
Speaker 7: And you saw he made the most of the situation
Speaker 7: earlier in the season. It's part of the reason why
Speaker 7: he's on the island in the first place. But if
Speaker 7: you take away this guy's defense and you continue to
Speaker 7: stall out and just like have a disgusting run game,
Speaker 7: it just doesn't move the ball. If you're not moving
Speaker 7: the ball, if you have no other weapons, if you
Speaker 7: have no other weapons, and then the guy you do
Speaker 7: have it's every week or so, it just depends. Is
Speaker 7: he a match for the scheme, what's going on with
Speaker 7: the scheme? If you have the owner on the radio
Speaker 7: calling out bad scheme and bad plays, if you have
Speaker 7: different things, you're taking so much away from this guy.
Speaker 7: You're asking him to be a superhero, and at some
Speaker 7: point you just hit a wall. You're probably you know what,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised. They're different quarterbacks, but I very
Speaker 7: different quarterbacks. But I wouldn't be surprised if at some
Speaker 7: point across the end of the stretch you also see
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow hit some kind of a wall. You're asking
Speaker 7: too much, just because these guys can do these things,
Speaker 7: doesn't mean they have to do or should have to
Speaker 7: do all of it. And you have to get him
Speaker 7: some help, whether wherever, on which side of the ball.
Speaker 5: Pick one.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's going to need a realtor soon.
Speaker 1: He's got a you know, a burgeoning family, and I
Speaker 1: think he's renting on quarterback island right.
Speaker 8: Now, gonna AIRBNBA.
Speaker 1: Maybe let's talk about someone we're not going to go
Speaker 1: deep into. I just want to give Trevor Lawrence some
Speaker 1: pop up having a nice couple of weeks. If he
Speaker 1: plays like he played the last three weeks for four
Speaker 1: more weeks in a row, we'll be talking him out
Speaker 1: of more in depth next time.
Speaker 2: On quarterback.
Speaker 3: If Brian Thomas is legit, now.
Speaker 1: He's not a risk. He's not getting on the island though.
Speaker 1: Now how about Kyler?
Speaker 6: Okay, I was banging for him last time, right, what's
Speaker 6: he done? They're playing better football. We're talking about as
Speaker 6: sending players. We're talking about quarterbacks uplifting everybody else. Everyone's
Speaker 6: jock riding him. Yes, I'm using that expression right now.
Speaker 6: Everybody's fantasy guy. Oh G, who's throwing him the ball?
Speaker 6: Who's making things happen with him, Marvin Harrison getting some
Speaker 6: things done.
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray.
Speaker 6: We can sit here and argue about all that when
Speaker 6: you look how Kyler Murray has been playing, running the ball,
Speaker 6: throwing the ball, getting this offense going. Guess who's guess
Speaker 6: who's in the hunt now for the NFC West.
Speaker 7: They're a top ten offense now, Yes, e P. Tyler,
Speaker 7: Greg and I were texting about this because we believed
Speaker 7: in the Cardinals offense as much as they've disappointed us
Speaker 7: and let us down and made some questionable decisions and
Speaker 7: play calls at certain points. When Kyler, to your point,
Speaker 7: is involved in the run surface, not necessarily designed runs,
Speaker 7: but when he gets involved gram in the run surface,
Speaker 7: this is a totally different team. Trey McBride being back,
Speaker 7: James Connor, some people believed in him the entire time.
Speaker 7: It just he When you have all of these elements
Speaker 7: mixed in and this and the play caller is making
Speaker 7: efficient sound decisions and personnel decisions in terms of the
Speaker 7: formations and the groupings, this is again a futuristic offense
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there would be a burgeoning gaming community on.
Speaker 3: Sounds, some psychedelics.
Speaker 5: Video games and mushrooms, Colleen in this island sounds amazing.
Speaker 1: I love that he's seventh in PFF. His like advanced
Speaker 1: passing metrics are all about borderline of what would be
Speaker 1: on the island somewhere, you know, depending on what you like,
Speaker 1: ninth to fourteenth, something like that. But then when you
Speaker 1: add in the rushing value, you add not a lot
Speaker 1: of negative plays, not like fumbles are interceptions. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest negative to him is I think sometimes their
Speaker 1: coordinator is like, can you just run the play that well?
Speaker 1: And that has some fluctuations, Like if we had this
Speaker 1: conversation a couple of weeks ago would be there's fluctuations.
Speaker 1: But we're coming off a game where he was spinning
Speaker 1: it against Miami and those look like the plays that
Speaker 1: were called really nice throws. There is something about the
Speaker 1: whole like defining the season to me. The fact that
Speaker 1: he's called his shot on about three or four long
Speaker 1: touchdowns forty yards out. Love that that gives him a
Speaker 1: little extra juice. Perdy hasn't had a lot of juice
Speaker 1: this year, and maybe we didn't even maybe he could
Speaker 1: have been in the safe category, but been a little.
Speaker 2: Rickety over the last four weeks.
Speaker 1: So I just thought we'd we'd throw him out here,
Speaker 1: but a very solid I've got.
Speaker 3: Bad, I've got Brocks back here.
Speaker 6: He's the way the stuff he's done with with Jennings
Speaker 6: and the in and out cast receivers, and he's still
Speaker 6: he's still getting after it. We saw him run the ball.
Speaker 6: You added what'd you call it? The run surface value?
Speaker 3: Jordan. I look this dude, this dude.
Speaker 6: We could put him on any of these teams that
Speaker 6: the other guys in the Quarterback Island are doing.
Speaker 3: And he's playing ball.
Speaker 2: I gotta stay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't think And you saw this, you
Speaker 7: know when he fell on the on the potential. I
Speaker 7: mean he got hit so hard. He should have fumbled
Speaker 7: that ball on Sunday night. And was it Monday night,
Speaker 7: Sunday night, Monday night against the time one base Time
Speaker 7: has no meaning anymore, especially on the island. No, but
Speaker 7: he like the the they already have made enough, you know,
Speaker 7: whether it is. And my colleague Marcus Thompson wrote about
Speaker 7: this over the Athletic Great Legendary Columnist, and he's commenting
Speaker 7: on the fact that, you know, Rock Purty hasn't played
Speaker 7: at an elite level the entire time. He's made the
Speaker 7: most of a complete opposite ethos that this team had
Speaker 7: to play with. Whether it was the beginning of the
Speaker 7: year then he had some rough spots, but wasn't necessarily
Speaker 7: like a detriment or pulling back the team.
Speaker 2: The Machafe game was the one negative.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: The mistakes and the self inflicted wounds are coming from
Speaker 7: elsewhere in the house for the most part, right, And
Speaker 7: so even when there was an opportunity for him to
Speaker 7: really look lost when letting go that football on the sack,
Speaker 7: he didn't.
Speaker 5: He held on.
Speaker 7: And so what Marcus was saying is he's sort of
Speaker 7: embodying how they have to just like gut through some
Speaker 7: of this stuff and mitigate the huge issues until they
Speaker 7: can get this thing clicking back. And he's been the
Speaker 7: right quarterback for them to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's here's an interesting question.
Speaker 6: You know, because you know Brock Parties gonna be the
Speaker 6: next up to make the sixty million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's a wise investment?
Speaker 6: Because I do, Because to your point, Jordan, he's not
Speaker 6: the guy who's going to pull you back now, is
Speaker 6: he necessarily going to be the guy to lead you
Speaker 6: to the Promised Land.
Speaker 3: Maybe think things things have to work all round.
Speaker 4: Him would do that because after what he went through
Speaker 4: before Free Lance.
Speaker 6: I'm just kind of to me, that's a that's as
Speaker 6: safe as an investment as you can make.
Speaker 3: And give him Block Party that money.
Speaker 1: I think so too. And and he's young. It's tricky,
Speaker 1: but he already took him to the promised Land. As
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, he was in spots where he
Speaker 1: needed touchdown after touchdown after touchdown. The NFC Championship got it,
Speaker 1: needed scores on drive after driving after driving, the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl got it. His defense let him down like it
Speaker 1: is what it is, otherwise he'd be the Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1: He he did pull things off the table against the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: one of the worst games I've ever seen brock pre
Speaker 1: But there's been eight games here, yeah, in the season,
Speaker 1: and I agree with everything else that we're being said.
Speaker 1: So fifth in PFF actually higher this year in PFF
Speaker 1: than he was a year ago, ninth in QBR. Over all,
Speaker 1: the numbers are pretty good for Brocky.
Speaker 3: And you didn't have him as a lock. You didn't have.
Speaker 2: Maybe he should have been a lock. I just respect.
Speaker 2: I just figured we should talk about him, Jordan.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is an almost impossible guy to talk about
Speaker 1: right now, because it is impossible.
Speaker 4: You're right, people, people want to go on vacation with
Speaker 4: a groin injury, right Noboddy defeats the whole purpose.
Speaker 5: Somehow our two sentences connected with each other.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I was so ready.
Speaker 5: Greig's ready to be done with us.
Speaker 2: No, I love it, you know, I love groin injuries.
Speaker 3: He clearly have never had one, because I've had one.
Speaker 1: Greg, So I was ready to make a case for Love,
Speaker 1: you know, to make a case for him to be
Speaker 1: on the island. Then he got hurt halfway through the game,
Speaker 1: and it' said this other just in tween because he
Speaker 1: might end up playing this week and it ends up
Speaker 1: being fine. But already he had a weird case for
Speaker 1: quarterback island, because I think you're having to look past
Speaker 1: some of the numbers to me and trust what your
Speaker 1: eyes are, which is that he is the most confident
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. He is making some of the
Speaker 1: toughest throws week after week after week, and style points
Speaker 1: count a little bit. Yeah, It's like, it's not like
Speaker 1: the numbers are bad. He's got fifteen touchdowns, and he
Speaker 1: missed a couple of games, and and he's completing passes
Speaker 1: down the field like he's very aesthetically pleasing to one.
Speaker 6: But how good of a coach is Matt Laflor and
Speaker 6: that offensive staff because Malik Willis. Malik Willis has come in,
Speaker 6: won a game, came in that game and bold.
Speaker 7: Yeah, nine touchdowns, five interceptions over the last four game.
Speaker 7: Obviously some of its injury whatever, but like I do
Speaker 7: worry about the injury. I kind of neutralized him on
Speaker 7: this particular in this conversation to kill people for injuries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not neutered him neutralized right, Ye, here we go.
Speaker 4: It's been interesting against the Blitz though, Like under pressure,
Speaker 4: he's I mean, obviously every quarterback is different under pressure,
Speaker 4: but he's thirty first in EPA when being Blitz this season, so,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's slightly better than Deshaun Watson, but worse
Speaker 4: than Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1: Some of the advanced numbers aren't great for him. I
Speaker 1: think he does better on the eye test.
Speaker 6: Lan's numbers, though, what about your boy Gino? Okay, okay,
Speaker 6: the yard is totals are beautiful, but getting in the
Speaker 6: end zone, I.
Speaker 7: Hope he's doing okay. He's just been hit a lot,
Speaker 7: a lot of sunburns.
Speaker 2: He has been hit a lot.
Speaker 1: Like he's number one in you know, positive vp A
Speaker 1: like plus one positive, he's first in positive EPA, which
Speaker 1: which was the one I mentioned earlier, which is like
Speaker 1: it accounts for the situation. How many positive plays have
Speaker 1: you had considering the situation that you're in, And he's
Speaker 1: first in the league and that other stuff not so
Speaker 1: great like EPA for play eleventh, sixteenth in PFF over
Speaker 1: the last four like eleventh over our fourteenth in QUBR.
Speaker 1: He's on that borderline. My argument would be would be
Speaker 1: the ultimate just kind of watching him on a play
Speaker 1: to play basis, he feels like one of the best
Speaker 1: twelve quarterbacks in Yeah.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 6: I just do that out there because the stats don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, besides, I think he's borderline.
Speaker 1: Even as a fan, I don't think he's like definitely
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 7: I think he's kind of where we were talking about
Speaker 7: Stafford last time, and some of it was situational contact context.
Speaker 7: That stat that you mentioned, like, let's dig into that
Speaker 7: a little bit better, because what that stat actually says
Speaker 7: is you are lifting this much despite the fact that
Speaker 7: in so many other major categories of this offense, you
Speaker 7: are at the floor. So because it factors in situational context.
Speaker 7: So it's basically saying, here's the level of hero ball
Speaker 7: you are playing. And I think that that's important to
Speaker 7: factor in because first of all, that's not sustainable and
Speaker 7: you could see that they're starting to really struggle. But
Speaker 7: second of all, even though he's still playing, I think
Speaker 7: like a top twelve quarterback to our point in the
Speaker 7: NFL four weeks from now, let's check on it again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, can I throw one out there that's a total
Speaker 6: wild card that I would love that.
Speaker 2: I thought were almost out of it. I have one.
Speaker 3: What about bon Nicks?
Speaker 5: Okay, oh you watched a lot of Bonis, haven't you.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not he's not dazzling, but we're talking
Speaker 6: about uplifting your team. I think he is in the
Speaker 6: he's in the next time category discussion.
Speaker 1: No, he's in the get a nice little shout out
Speaker 1: from Steve Wish at minute fifty five. Yees, you know,
Speaker 1: but not way to push it really, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he played, he played well against Carolina. He's passing the
Speaker 1: test of like, are you an NFL quarterback or not.
Speaker 1: He is, which is to me like, if you're protective,
Speaker 1: can you deliver?
Speaker 2: And he is.
Speaker 5: But we're talking about great against the worst defense.
Speaker 3: What about Sean Payton that take? Yeah, we knew that
Speaker 3: offense we're playing wasn't very good.
Speaker 2: Played better. There's there's there's something there. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is that there's something there.
Speaker 5: He doesn't say stuff like that without a reason.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is the last I think name we got
Speaker 1: to talk about were in depth before.
Speaker 8: Justin Herbert. He's lost at sea is he?
Speaker 5: You know, he's built.
Speaker 7: He's floating on his own little Herbie Island and hoping
Speaker 7: for a strong current to float him all the way
Speaker 7: up to Quarterback Island.
Speaker 5: And I think he can do it.
Speaker 4: It goes back to the point that you made weeks
Speaker 4: ago that Jim Harball is hiding his best aspect, which
Speaker 4: is his arm.
Speaker 8: He has a cannon.
Speaker 4: He's twenty second in the league in attempts.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, it's getting better though. It's we're trending.
Speaker 1: We're trending better the last since the bye.
Speaker 2: I want to see him on the island. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would love for him to be there.
Speaker 1: I look at the numbers and it's like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: he only has one interception.
Speaker 2: That's very Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: He is combining being careful with I think the last
Speaker 1: three weeks starting to be aggressive. When he had that
Speaker 1: run and he was galloping out there like he was
Speaker 1: in the Kentucky Derby or something, I was like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that out of Justin Herbert for a while.
Speaker 1: And he's ripping some greate one on one Froz Pete.
Speaker 1: I think now he is passing the eye test and
Speaker 1: and the production test.
Speaker 3: And they're in the playoffs, They're in the thick. They're
Speaker 3: in the thick of it.
Speaker 1: It's a snaff side of right now too when we're
Speaker 1: talking quarterback Island, and for what it's worth, I broke
Speaker 1: it down to just weeks five through eight. He only
Speaker 1: played three of those games because there's a bye week
Speaker 1: in there. He is PFF's number one quarterback over that time.
Speaker 1: Because you just don't see negative plays out of him
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Just you know he's got more pass attempts at Jared Golf.
Speaker 5: Really, that's the thing well talk about last week.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean that's absolutely skewed the numbers last
Speaker 6: week that's how crazy.
Speaker 5: We loved that box score so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he hasn't but here's the thing.
Speaker 6: He hasn't played in every game, and he plays in
Speaker 6: a run centric golfen yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And and he's been really let down by his receivers.
Speaker 7: We mentioned this two weeks ago. His receivers dropped seven passes.
Speaker 7: Seven passes, I mean, and that was a game that
Speaker 7: like nobody in the world watched, but it was he
Speaker 7: was spinning it. And so this he's playing like we
Speaker 7: know him to play. He's sort of doing it kind
Speaker 7: of like on Herbie Island, like in a vacuum.
Speaker 5: And I do think that at the beginning.
Speaker 7: Of the year, we do have to act in the
Speaker 7: fact that they were, and they have since alluded to
Speaker 7: this a few times publicly, they were playing a very
Speaker 7: different style of offense in part to help mitigate the
Speaker 7: injury and the pain that he's dealing with. So I
Speaker 7: do think, again, if we're going to talk about, first
Speaker 7: of all, sample size, which I thought.
Speaker 5: We weren't doing that, but where are we are?
Speaker 3: And I'm just.
Speaker 5: Kidding, I want to do it.
Speaker 3: For Herbert's climate. Climbing the coconut tree.
Speaker 2: Where they're playing right now.
Speaker 7: I just I'm trying to rally up Greg, but just
Speaker 7: in terms of the sample size of actually healthy Herbert
Speaker 7: playing in an iteration of this offense that is sort
Speaker 7: of developing toward what it's going to be, and factoring
Speaker 7: at the beginning you were dealing with the injury.
Speaker 5: Like I'm ready to see Herbert on the island.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is right.
Speaker 6: So this goes back when I covered the Dolphins and
Speaker 6: Jimmy Johnson first took over. He has Dan Marino, all
Speaker 6: these great receivers, and he runs the ball like you've
Speaker 6: got a dude who can do it, who can fling it,
Speaker 6: who can do all those great things.
Speaker 3: But you're giving it to kream Abdul Jabbar the running back.
Speaker 6: Version, instead of throwing it up to all the other guys.
Speaker 6: That's kind of what's going on with Herbert in a
Speaker 6: competitor like hell, man, if.
Speaker 7: If you had let Marina throw it, maybe Stafford wouldn't
Speaker 7: have passed him this last week.
Speaker 5: I got it, I might have to take him off
Speaker 5: the island, so I had to give him that.
Speaker 1: Let know, let's talk Stafford, Let's talk Herbert. There's about
Speaker 1: ten guys we're not gonna talk Rogers.
Speaker 2: We kind of did it. We're not going to vote
Speaker 2: on Lawrence.
Speaker 1: We're not going to vote on Caleb Williams or Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson or your.
Speaker 2: Guy Bo Nicks. We got about ten guys to vote on.
Speaker 2: Let's do that.
Speaker 7: After the d.
Speaker 2: We are back on Quarterback Island.
Speaker 3: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: We've reached the voting portion of the program.
Speaker 1: Your hand is getting Steve White, That's what I was
Speaker 1: giving away his moves between the breaks, saying he only
Speaker 1: is kicking two people off. He's letting two people on
Speaker 1: before Jordan's wondering if it's possible that the size of
Speaker 1: Quarterback Island could be reduced at some point.
Speaker 5: You still haven't answered the question.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 1: We are voting for twelve members of Quarterback Island, and
Speaker 1: we've already put seven on. It sounded like brock Purty
Speaker 1: didn't really need a vote, So I guess I'll vote
Speaker 1: on Rock just to make this quick, and we all
Speaker 1: make sure you vote out loud, because this is the
Speaker 1: rock audio medium. Yes, yes, okay, So we now have
Speaker 1: four spots left on the island. You know, we've got
Speaker 1: the guys that were on there before, and I think
Speaker 1: we're going to vote on Herbert Love, Hurt's cousins, Baker
Speaker 1: Kyler are all there. So that's a total of ten
Speaker 1: guys for four spots. And I'll start with Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: because that one seemed like of all the guys that
Speaker 1: were on the islandland, he was in the most amount
Speaker 1: of trouble.
Speaker 2: It's nothing personal.
Speaker 8: That a clean sweep.
Speaker 2: Colleen, what is your answer?
Speaker 8: No, he's out, he's got to go.
Speaker 3: It's not the place gaming either.
Speaker 5: And we want better for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we want more for you. It was a
Speaker 1: great eight week run or whatever it was. You you
Speaker 1: were there in the preseason.
Speaker 4: I hope you don't get replaced by another NFC East quarterback.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, something tells me that you're not there. I
Speaker 1: feel like a four is hidden. Interesting, interesting, all right,
Speaker 1: so you know where he's Dak is is gone.
Speaker 3: We now ding Dingy's coming for Dad.
Speaker 1: We now have nine guys for those four spots. I
Speaker 1: was pleasantly surprised by how encouraging you guys were about Gino.
Speaker 1: I thought you didn't really like me or necessarily like
Speaker 1: Gino that much.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up Gino for vote.
Speaker 1: I'm saying yes, it wasn't the best four week stretch.
Speaker 1: I don't think he did enough to get kicked off
Speaker 1: the island. I think he's one of the twelve best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL. I vote yes, Steve, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a keeper.
Speaker 6: I told you I only got two guys coming off
Speaker 6: in Geno.
Speaker 3: Ain't one? Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan rod Rieg, whoop's wrong? One? She votes yes, yes, but.
Speaker 5: We'll see by the okay's.
Speaker 3: It's a soft yes wolf.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going yes.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so Gino is watching. We have nine eyes
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 1: Nine men on the island because I wasn't feeling a
Speaker 1: lot of appreciation here for the groin injury. Let's talk
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Does anyone want to vote yes on Jordan Love?
Speaker 1: Jordan Love? We have a no from Steve Weiss. No,
Speaker 1: remember to speak your vote out there.
Speaker 3: I have a no. I have a no. You narrated
Speaker 3: by no, So I left no.
Speaker 1: Thanks God, Okay, I gotta know, well, you know what
Speaker 1: he was. He was closer closer for me.
Speaker 6: You guys, you got are on the line there and
Speaker 6: the switcheroo.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're getting into some really interesting So.
Speaker 3: Now we're so now we're saying there's nine guys.
Speaker 1: So far, there are nine guys on although things could change,
Speaker 1: you could always try to kick someone off in theory,
Speaker 1: these votes aren't aren't forever. Let's talk. Let's do Baker
Speaker 1: because that's another one. Did him versus Cousin's debate was interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought Cousins kind of kicked him off alone. And
Speaker 1: I vote no for Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 7: I vote no because I think that this is going
Speaker 7: to be really significant, losing his favorite pass catchers. Unfortunately.
Speaker 7: Hate to see that. His statistics are incredible. I don't
Speaker 7: want to take that away from him at all, but
Speaker 7: I'm seeing a quarterback who potentially is some trouble.
Speaker 6: I'm giving a super soft no. I mean, I'm closed,
Speaker 6: but it's a super soft no. Like if there's like
Speaker 6: I said, I've only got ten or two spots open,
Speaker 6: he's not one of the two, but if a third
Speaker 6: comes open, I'm changing my vote.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yes, because I thought that we were doing this
Speaker 4: BA based on what they did up until this point.
Speaker 2: What is project It's absolutely up to you.
Speaker 4: It's like the top one exactly all right, So I
Speaker 4: lose out, but I wish he was on.
Speaker 7: I think he could use your riptide to pull Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It might be too early to stand for fla baby. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Baker has been voted a no.
Speaker 2: While while we're on the Baker is off topic.
Speaker 1: This is this is a borderline guy here, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: We have three spots here after Purty and Gino available
Speaker 1: on the island. Man who wants to make a case.
Speaker 6: I'm going, yes, I'm swag surfing this one all the
Speaker 6: way to the island. Kirk Cousins. Yeah, say he's he's
Speaker 6: killing Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Guess what he's playing who's in
Speaker 6: front of them? Kirk Cousins is going to be ascending.
Speaker 6: I'm using Jordan's argument.
Speaker 3: He's going to continue to keep rocking and rolling their offense,
Speaker 3: hitting the stride. They don't play Tampa anymore.
Speaker 7: I do have one question for Kis Steve, because Steve,
Speaker 7: I love that argument, I really do.
Speaker 5: But I have one question for you.
Speaker 7: Who do you think could ascend to greater heights over
Speaker 7: this next stretch. Kirk Cousins or healthy Matthew Stafford with
Speaker 7: Pukakua and Cooper Cup. That's where I'm weighing in my
Speaker 7: head right now I'm.
Speaker 6: Going Kirk Cousins because of the division that he plays in.
Speaker 6: I do think it's going to be just a murderer's
Speaker 6: row in the NFC West. Nothing is taking me off
Speaker 6: of Perko Chains. That's a good point, Kerko Chains.
Speaker 4: Allie, I'm gonna know right now. For Kirk, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: they got it. I just I don't love the way
Speaker 4: that these games have played out that aren't against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 7: Steve, I loved your argument, but my point is too.
Speaker 7: I think that because I have him weighed between putting
Speaker 7: Stafford on or off, and I think a healthy Stafford
Speaker 7: and a healthy Cooper and a healthy Pooka and a
Speaker 7: returning offensive line getting all their guys back, who protected
Speaker 7: Stafford the best that they have all year, allowed sack
Speaker 7: against the Raiders and the Vikings.
Speaker 5: I think that that reaches.
Speaker 7: Greater heights with Stafford than Kirk Cousins potentially reaches.
Speaker 5: That's just that's my only argument.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with those two against each other. But I
Speaker 1: also think a quarterback's got to be more than just
Speaker 1: their surroundings. There's an undefinable thing about kirk o this
Speaker 1: year that he's just part of part of our lives
Speaker 1: in a way that's meaningful to me. I'm voting yes.
Speaker 1: I'm voting yes. We're split right now on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: That is going to be tabled just the second.
Speaker 3: We're not kicking anybody off except Dak then the way it's.
Speaker 1: Going exactly, we can keep talking, all right, We'll go
Speaker 1: on talk about who could get kicked off.
Speaker 2: How about Sam Darnold.
Speaker 5: Are we voting to kick him off?
Speaker 2: Or you're either voting yes or no? Is he on
Speaker 2: the island?
Speaker 3: That's all?
Speaker 2: Is he on the island? That's that's the question. Is
Speaker 2: he on the island?
Speaker 5: Is he on the island?
Speaker 7: I put you on the yes because I'm thinking of
Speaker 7: the advice using myself.
Speaker 4: I'm still a Sam Darnald girl, so I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 1: So you're saying the deciding vote comes down to me
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald.
Speaker 8: Oh no, poetic.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to do this, buddy. You're great.
Speaker 1: You're in the top fifteen right now, right on the borderline.
Speaker 3: You were waiting for this.
Speaker 2: You were gonna use your if you didn't get perfect.
Speaker 3: Tim hard he fought to keep him off. He gone.
Speaker 1: So it's a review. Jordan Love's not making it. Baker's
Speaker 1: not making it. Sam Donald is kicked off the island.
Speaker 1: Have two open spots. Dak Prescott is kicked off the island.
Speaker 1: We haven't confirmed everyone that was on the island before.
Speaker 1: I guess let's talk about who could jump onto the island. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Justin Herbert. Does anyone want to make
Speaker 1: a case for Justin Herbert going onto the island? If so,
Speaker 1: speak now and explain why.
Speaker 8: I only have one spot right now.
Speaker 2: This other dude, Jordan has a yes going to ham
Speaker 2: for other guys have a yes.
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, like I said before, I think he is
Speaker 7: playing the best football among the best football many quarterback
Speaker 7: in the NFL. The way he's throwing the ball, the
Speaker 7: way that he can move, he has his feet and
Speaker 7: his legs back under him. They are it has been
Speaker 7: hit or miss in terms of actual production, but they
Speaker 7: are establishing some steadiness around him. I like Justin Herbert
Speaker 7: throwing the ball better than almost anybody. I like Justin
Speaker 7: Herbert throwing the ball better than almost anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm voting yes, I'm Justin Herbert. I think he's clearly
Speaker 1: one of the best ten quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: In the league right now. He was injured early in
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 3: He was a guy.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't injured in training camp, I think it
Speaker 1: would have been on there to begin with. Just eye
Speaker 1: test and numbers. It's all happening for my guy, Herbo.
Speaker 1: We're split right now on Justin Herbert and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Perty's on as well? What range Gino's on as the
Speaker 1: tenth Who is the guy you want on so badly?
Speaker 3: Kyler? Kyler Cayler Murray.
Speaker 2: Kyler is your Yes.
Speaker 3: I've been fighting.
Speaker 6: This is like my third time going to bat for
Speaker 6: Kyler mur really is, and I am not like coming down.
Speaker 5: Don't think about them. Just make eye contact with me.
Speaker 7: If you give me Stafford over Cousins, I'll give you
Speaker 7: Kyler done.
Speaker 5: Wow, we're waking out.
Speaker 3: We're here.
Speaker 2: What do we not even matter?
Speaker 8: Alliance was made?
Speaker 3: God, we're playing dirty.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's one spot because we just it. They don't
Speaker 2: get anybody off. Who says the two of you can
Speaker 2: just put Kyler or Stafford on? What if we had
Speaker 2: both as no votes.
Speaker 5: Because we split the vote last time, didn't.
Speaker 2: We We haven't even voted.
Speaker 6: There's only there's only the staff there's really only one
Speaker 6: other guy that to vote.
Speaker 3: He's holding it. I know exactly who who you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: This is good though, you want just put our cards out.
Speaker 1: Let's put our cards.
Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts goes in. Dak Prescott goes.
Speaker 3: Out, Dak Prescott, who got da Donald out? Already?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Donald? Okay?
Speaker 6: So yeah, yes you're voting. Are we kicking the third out?
Speaker 6: Are we saying that ten are definitely on?
Speaker 2: Let's talk Matthew Stafford, because if you're saying.
Speaker 3: I give you.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, what I mean I already did.
Speaker 2: We have to make see if if a spot is open?
Speaker 5: Right yeah, oh, let's recalculate.
Speaker 6: Because I could, I could, I could hear a good
Speaker 6: Jalen argument if he kicks.
Speaker 2: Let's hear about Jalen Hurts. Well, I already gave you okay,
Speaker 2: so who would to kick off?
Speaker 1: Then it's very it's very close to me. I'm a
Speaker 1: no on Jalen Hurts. It's just a numbers game. When
Speaker 1: I do the numbers for me, prety in Gino are
Speaker 1: eight and nine.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: That leaves two players were split on Herbert and Cousins.
Speaker 1: It also leaves Stafford and Kyler. Jalen Hurts is in
Speaker 1: that mix as well. So there's three spots and there's
Speaker 1: five guys for me. Those five guys Herbert, Cousins, Stafford, Kyler,
Speaker 1: and Hurts, only three can go on. Hurts is last
Speaker 1: out of those five guys. So I vote no on
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts just to eliminate him.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, just sorry, just real quick though, I'm
Speaker 6: not I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna cast my vote yet.
Speaker 6: Okay, because us Jalen Hurts, then over Kyler or Herbert.
Speaker 2: M hm, you have him over all.
Speaker 3: We made the alliance on her.
Speaker 5: Well, on Stafford. We made the alliance and Kyler.
Speaker 8: So I keep track of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like Herbert and Jalen.
Speaker 7: So I have Herbert, Stafford and Murray, which would, unfortunately
Speaker 7: I don't want to do this, leave Jalen Hurts the
Speaker 7: odd man out, and I did argue for his over there.
Speaker 4: Do you actually believe that Kyler should go on ahead
Speaker 4: of Jalen Hurts or are you just doing it for
Speaker 4: the alliance for Stafford to stay.
Speaker 3: I would take I would take Kyler over the other two.
Speaker 7: Okay, I think I think Kyler Kyle the ceiling that
Speaker 7: he has showed as a quarterback that he's higher than
Speaker 7: Jalen's currently.
Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Would take Jalen over Herbert.
Speaker 5: Okay, I like that. Yeah, but alliancing are you making?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm just saying I would.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if we're weighing, If we're weighing them out.
Speaker 2: Let's vote on Jalen Hurts yes or no.
Speaker 3: We got we got to get a third off.
Speaker 2: So we're split again, Steve, Yes.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, so so so the tie stays to the incumbent.
Speaker 1: Then we have we have five different players. We have
Speaker 1: not officially voted here on Matthew Stafford either. You guys
Speaker 1: made an alliance and the two of you said yes,
Speaker 1: but we hadn't heard from Colleen and I, oh no,
Speaker 1: he's still on.
Speaker 2: So if he is still.
Speaker 1: On according to Colleen, then on the island, so is Gino,
Speaker 1: so is Purty. We're going to have two new members
Speaker 1: of Quarterback Island. It is very exciting, Kirk o Chains.
Speaker 1: Even though I believed in you, Kirk, Steve Weisch believed
Speaker 1: in you.
Speaker 3: You're gone.
Speaker 1: The alliances, Uh, they went against you. Frankly, you couldn't
Speaker 1: play the game well enough, we have two spots for
Speaker 1: three guys. This is hard, justin Herbert Kyler, Murray in
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8: That's really tough.
Speaker 1: Wait, two spots for three two spots for three guys.
Speaker 1: So I think we should all just write down on
Speaker 1: who we don't want on, and if there's a majority,
Speaker 1: pen I will give it to you. I'm going to
Speaker 1: write down one name.
Speaker 8: So you're you're writing who who you.
Speaker 1: Don't want to make it, who you don't think deserves
Speaker 1: to make it.
Speaker 2: You can write it down.
Speaker 3: That deserves a numbers game. It's a number of games.
Speaker 3: We're in the savagery, savagery.
Speaker 8: Who shouldn't go on?
Speaker 2: Who shouldn't go on? Out of the three people? It's
Speaker 2: because all three of them are really good. Same thing
Speaker 2: with Koh, he got left off.
Speaker 8: I thought he think you're going to be able to
Speaker 8: see this on Ken.
Speaker 2: No you won't.
Speaker 1: We're going to just say it out loud. But it's
Speaker 1: for our purposes what we're split. I am saying that
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts does not make it onto the Island. I
Speaker 1: still care about you as a person, Colleen. I know
Speaker 1: Colleen says Kyler does not make it. I'm saying Herbert,
Speaker 1: and so the deciding vote, it's up to Jordan Rodger,
Speaker 1: who is not making it onto quarterback Island.
Speaker 7: I already made my case for I think Justin Herbert's
Speaker 7: playing the best football of many quarterbacks, top five quarterbacks
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 7: I agree with you on Kyler Luriy and I will
Speaker 7: not back out of Hyland integrity. Oh, I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 7: a numbers game. I love how he's playing right now.
Speaker 7: But Colleen, it's Jalen.
Speaker 2: Hurt, Jalen hurt. I'm sorry, make it.
Speaker 5: It pains me. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I'll see you guys in four weeks.
Speaker 2: The alliance was strong.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Kyler Murray and Justin Herber and I said it.
Speaker 2: I was going into this not knowing.
Speaker 3: How it was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I did not think Kyler Murray was making onto this island.
Speaker 3: Id se Kirk couldn't make it, and it's.
Speaker 2: It's always same here.
Speaker 1: I thought Kirk was gonna make it on It's it's
Speaker 1: always it's always the little guys.
Speaker 2: You didn't see coming. He just scampered his way and
Speaker 2: popped out of that water.
Speaker 3: I've been fighting for Kirk. Kyler's in stay one.
Speaker 2: The short happy for you and also for me. Look,
Speaker 2: I hope I'm happy for everyone here. I hope Colleen
Speaker 2: that you're so glad you guys are happy your friendship
Speaker 2: with Jordans can survive this.
Speaker 3: She's not staying late to get to do with the
Speaker 3: Germany flight made.
Speaker 2: Let's just recap again. Who is on Quarterback Island?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Many of the same guys from before.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, let's play that music, Jadeen Daniels,
Speaker 1: Way to go, jade Daniels a rookie, Jared got Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Rock Purty and Geno Smith, Matthew Stafford. You
Speaker 1: survived and then let's welcome to the island. In addition
Speaker 1: to save Stroud who has been there all along, Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert and Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2: The Quarterback Island got younger the.
Speaker 6: NFC West though NFC West is like quartered the big
Speaker 6: block on the island for now.
Speaker 1: For now, talk about an alliance they could get together
Speaker 1: the entire.
Speaker 6: Jamis Black Oor comment Jamis and Black Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who crazyland? Will it be in in four weeks time?
Speaker 1: Will will Jalen Hurts make that case, will Kirko chains
Speaker 1: prove Sjordan and Colleen were shortsighted and not believing in them.
Speaker 2: Who knows, Maybe.
Speaker 1: Caleb starts playing better. Could be anyone, could be Baker
Speaker 1: proving us back. It could be Dak getting his revenge.
Speaker 1: But that's it for Quarterback Island. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: the great. It was great until the part of the
Speaker 1: show where I completely lost track of what was happening.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 2: That was a tough moment. Let's take a quick.
Speaker 1: Break and we'll come back with Thursday Night Football. You
Speaker 1: might have to do Quarterback Island last from now on,
Speaker 1: doing something after that. Jets, the emotions are raw, the
Speaker 1: you know, friendships have been tested.
Speaker 3: It's it's just a comedown.
Speaker 1: It's time of the show for R T and F
Speaker 1: preview presented by Amazon Video.
Speaker 3: It's Texans Jets.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate come down of the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: season the Jets. But look their schedule. Everyone keeps saying
Speaker 1: it opens up. It gets easy after this game. At
Speaker 1: least you're catching the Texans at the right time. No
Speaker 1: Nico Collins, no Stefan Diggs in this matchup. The Jets
Speaker 1: are at home, Like what gets you going. Halloween Night,
Speaker 1: Texans Jets.
Speaker 2: Let's see how much time do we have to talk about?
Speaker 2: What's whatever you want? Whatever you want?
Speaker 4: All right, I'll try to condense it. The offense has
Speaker 4: rhythm like Eli Manning dancing on Manning. The plays are
Speaker 4: coming in late. They can't line up in time. Three
Speaker 4: timeouts in the first quarter. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: You've never seen that before?
Speaker 4: The connection with DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers were still
Speaker 4: waiting on that. The defense gave up the game winning
Speaker 4: drive to the Patriots. Backup quarterback missed kicks so much
Speaker 4: so that there's a kicking competition before Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 4: None of the changes that they have made have made
Speaker 4: a difference, and they right now all three phases of
Speaker 4: the game seem to be contributing.
Speaker 8: So it's like a total team effort.
Speaker 4: For these losses, I just feel like they're all break
Speaker 4: no gas.
Speaker 7: Ooh wrapped it up with a bow.
Speaker 1: I love that it's a short week, Thursday night football
Speaker 1: team on the road. It's a tough spot. The Texans
Speaker 1: have certainly not been playing the type of football they
Speaker 1: want to play, but they've been finding ways to win
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. These two teams I think
Speaker 1: aren't that far apart in terms of what they're getting done,
Speaker 1: certainly on offense, and yet one team and I think
Speaker 1: the Texans deserve a lot of credit for this. It's
Speaker 1: almost like they're not getting the style points they want
Speaker 1: and the offensive line's not playing well.
Speaker 2: Come CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud's numbers aren't crazy, and I'm thinking this team won
Speaker 1: what five games combined over two seasons just two years ago,
Speaker 1: and yet we're complaining about style points. They're learning how
Speaker 1: to win when they're not playing their best, and their
Speaker 1: defense is very consistent than week after week, and they're
Speaker 1: going to get after Aaron Rodgers in this game.
Speaker 2: That's the thing I can you know, Oh my god, the.
Speaker 5: Most I'm worrying.
Speaker 7: You're starting to see some of the movement issues we
Speaker 7: identified immediately in the season with the usage of pistol
Speaker 7: with the Falcons offense. They were only aligning out of
Speaker 7: pistol to try to add some illusion into their run game,
Speaker 7: some dimension. You're seeing the Jets almost quadruple. I mean,
Speaker 7: it was a very it was like three percent rate before,
Speaker 7: but now you're seeing them in the pistol a little
Speaker 7: bit more. Makes me worry about how Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 7: actually feeling in terms of we already knew that he
Speaker 7: was hurting on the leg, and you know he just
Speaker 7: wasn't When he gets crunched sometimes he looks really painful
Speaker 7: to get up. But to me, that doesn't necessarily shift
Speaker 7: my thoughts about the play caller or the scheme. It
Speaker 7: more so to me is a little bit of a
Speaker 7: tell of like where Aaron Rodgers is at physically and
Speaker 7: how he's feeling. And you're kind of feeling that energy.
Speaker 7: I mean, he seems like it's in a lot of pain.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you talk about the play callers. I
Speaker 6: mean he switched something up in the middle of the season.
Speaker 6: Todd Downing's had opportunities before didn't work, like with the
Speaker 6: Raiders and another stifle. I mean, so they're still getting
Speaker 6: used to a lot of this stuff. It's the chaos
Speaker 6: like you talked about. I mean, no surprise, this is
Speaker 6: how it typically goes with the Jets, who had I
Speaker 6: think at this time last year two more wins without Aaron, right,
Speaker 6: I think, So I may be wrong, but I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go to the Texas point thing.
Speaker 3: And you talked about their defense.
Speaker 6: Look, they played last week without you know, as he's
Speaker 6: al Shire, they've got, you know, up the spine of
Speaker 6: the defense of some of their players. Yeah, so if
Speaker 6: he comes back, so thank you for pronouncing that right too,
Speaker 6: because so many people butchered Toto.
Speaker 3: Well done. You see the apostrophe, you know the Polynesian viols.
Speaker 2: They're still trying to get that invite to the Polynesian Bowl.
Speaker 3: So you're you're invited.
Speaker 6: You're invited, brother, But it's look, it's a situation where
Speaker 6: they they're gonna get after Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: They know exactly what to do.
Speaker 6: They see some of the chaos, like you talked about
Speaker 6: plays coming in late whatever, you know what, just run
Speaker 6: up tempo, hurry up offense or solutions to a lot
Speaker 6: of this stuff.
Speaker 3: But again, having Jalen Peatree and having.
Speaker 6: Some of the players that they have at all three
Speaker 6: levels of that defense is a great thing. And speaking
Speaker 6: of defense, Jeff Allbrick, the new internetad coach, came out
Speaker 6: and basically said, yes, saus Gardner's tackling needs to be
Speaker 6: a little bit better, So let's just add a little
Speaker 6: bit more of the positivity around there by you know,
Speaker 6: having to maybe be a truth Teller, right, but arguably
Speaker 6: your best defensive player just keeps getting better.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and calling out your best defensive player like that.
Speaker 7: I mean it is a message to him, certainly, and
Speaker 7: you watch the tape on that, but like it's also
Speaker 7: a message to the entire defense. Next gen stats mind
Speaker 7: blowing stat here the Jets of miss eighty eight tackles
Speaker 7: this season tied for the fourth most, and that's not good. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and they allow four and a half extra yards per
Speaker 7: mistackle this season.
Speaker 3: Oh gee, that's nothing when you've got Ji Damian Pierce.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So it is a good matchup in terms of the
Speaker 7: Texans interior offensive line against the Houston Texans front. Just
Speaker 7: collectively they're playing disastrously bad football, but you actually are
Speaker 7: going to be able to move the ball against the
Speaker 7: Jets conversely and mitigate some of that stuff because they're
Speaker 7: having issues in space and also against the run.
Speaker 1: In general, the Jets edg rushers aren't very good at
Speaker 1: aut Quinn Williams hasn't been great this season, but he's
Speaker 1: coming off his best game of the season. He was
Speaker 1: dominant in that Patriots game. You know, talk about like
Speaker 1: having what did you say about Eli.
Speaker 3: Rhythm?
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that he leans into it. He
Speaker 4: owns it though. He's so funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, this really is.
Speaker 8: I love him.
Speaker 1: This Texans like line like talk about no rhythm. They're
Speaker 1: one of the worst coach teams in terms of their
Speaker 1: line play.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I've seen to do his blitz and it's getting through,
Speaker 1: it's getting home like Tunsil's even having so much Like
Speaker 1: there's just miscommunications and it's like quick pressure. And so
Speaker 1: if there's a team that could wake up the Jets
Speaker 1: pass rush, it would be this.
Speaker 3: On the other side of.
Speaker 1: The Texans will say maybe this is a rare team
Speaker 1: we can actually block and the vibes are certainly better.
Speaker 2: They're winning. I trust the Texans.
Speaker 3: Thursday night, the Jets come on.
Speaker 1: Jalen Peetre has been playing well, Nickel, I got to
Speaker 1: take the Texans in this game as anyone.
Speaker 3: You think so, but I Thursday night's the wildcard for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm picking the Texans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm picking the Textans. It is hard to go
Speaker 3: with the Jets.
Speaker 2: They would be two and seven.
Speaker 1: Something tells me they would like they're gonna stay part
Speaker 1: of the season, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Two and seven. You're you're kind of no longer part
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: Season and well in that division.
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying talk about Davante as all the
Speaker 6: other wide receivers are super.
Speaker 3: Happy, like Mary Cooper, we're talking about de Hopp.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're right, Fonte Adam, just.
Speaker 1: Like come on, yeah, it is absolutely a ridiculous thing
Speaker 1: sometimes joining your friends again, like, yeah, it doesn't always work.
Speaker 2: The Jets are favorite in this You found out the Jets.
Speaker 3: On that note.
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