1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. We're back 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: almost famous to OG's and we are having such a 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: great time with Jamie Blythe, who was, of course my 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: partner in crime on Trista's season of the Bachelorette. So 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: let's get back into it. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: I just want to take this opportunity to say, I 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: am so sorry. I wish I would have like going 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: back the things that I like said, you know, like 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh, And our producer said that in an article. 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: She said that at one point in the show. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember this, Jamie, because 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: I don't remember it. My memory sucks, so anyway, I 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: don't remember it. But it's said in the article that 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: you called me Tricia and then you said do you 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: like golf? And I was like, my name is Trista, 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: and no, I don't like golf. 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 4: I remember that story. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I thought said I might eve even 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: said something to the effect of I felt like you 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: might like he might have followed he up with I mean, 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: I I really like, you know, I really liked the 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: time we're spending together, like yeah, you like it's so 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: much of collinor Tricia or something like. I was just 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: just you know. 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a good friend at home named Tricia, 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 5: and we were in a line. Bob was righting back 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 5: at me. Yeah, I go, Tricia, do you like golf? 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 5: And then Bob, you just lost it. I remember that 29 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 5: you just died left. But you uh completely, Bob. You 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 5: saved me though, because that whole thing would have been 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 5: so different for me, but especially just going at like 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: that first encounter with that guy and all of a sudden, 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 5: I'm laughing and I'm like, call, like how I could 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 5: actually sit here and have fun despite all the anxiety, 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 5: and not only that, like I talked to you about it, 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 5: like you were telling me some of your things that 37 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 5: happened to you at that time. And I think we 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 5: were I was on the top of the Uh didn't 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 5: we go on the top of that mansion we were at, 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 5: and we're like, Trista came home from a date at 41 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 5: like four am with Ryan, a nice date, and me 42 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 5: and you were hammered on the top of a mansion, 43 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 5: cooking like burd. 44 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh, we were sweeping beer cans off of the off 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: of the roof. And actually, no, she wasn't on a 46 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: date with Ryan because Ryan was there with us actually, 47 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: and I remember the roof, No, not on top of 48 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: the roof, but he was there at the house with 49 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: us still, and we had played the Sentry Club that night, 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: a hundred shots of beer in a hundred minutes, and 51 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: it was just something dumb we were doing. And that's 52 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the night Jamie did the pony chowl thing. It was 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: eating dog food and it was just crazy. But I 54 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: remember you came home and you came in and you 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: you were laughing, and so I knew the producers put 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: you up to it, but you like had to look 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: like you were mad. And you go, why is it 58 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: when I go on a date with you, I come 59 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: back and everyone's sleeping or reading the Bible, and I 60 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: go on a date with anyone but you and I 61 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: come home and it's like a frat party. And I 62 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: remember you said it with this gleam in your eye. 63 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: This one I knew we were going to be friends forever. 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I swear to you, trist I did. And I looked 65 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: at you and I go, well, with all respect, you 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: are dating fourteen of my new best friends. Every we 67 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: both just started laughing and it was like one of 68 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: those moments. 69 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: So funny. 70 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Oh what am I supposed to do, you know, like 71 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: it was like it is so funny and dumb and hilarious. 72 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 5: Well that's the night Jack Jack French. Yeah, ironically, the 73 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 5: people like he didn't He didn't, you know, drink very much, 74 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: and so as the people that here was my takeaway. 75 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: The people that didn't like drink at all looked like 76 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 5: the alcoholics. 77 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they passed out. We're like out there, still working, 78 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: We're functioning beautiful. 79 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 5: Because it was like eight pm and I could just 80 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 5: tell he was slowing his words. And I went up 81 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 5: to him and his bed was right next to mine 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 5: with like the seventy five other guys vying for the 83 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: Trista's heart, and they go, Jack, you need to I'm like, 84 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: come over here, away from the cameras and like you 85 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 5: need to go to bed, and he's like okay, So I. 86 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: Dragged him there. 87 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: Did you sell him out? Later? 88 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: Did I totally screwed him? 89 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: He's like he's passed out. 90 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 5: But he's like standing on his bed and the guy 91 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: looks like a Vander Holyfield naked pean on his bed, 92 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 5: And of course I got to come tell you, oh 93 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 5: my god, I can believe. 94 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: This dumb peeing on his bed right now. 95 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, let's go. Then then we carried him out. 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: We carry his bed outside while he's sleeping at it, 97 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: we carry him outside. The sprinklers come on. 98 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: Amazing little frat boys, My little frat boys. 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: So good. 100 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So tell us about how is life now? You know, 101 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: after after the Bachelorette you go back to normal life, 102 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: and obviously you have a happy family and we so 103 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: we would love to hear about it, because I don't 104 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: think you're on social that much. 105 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 5: No, So I was basically after that, I did some 106 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 5: stuff for ABC, NBC and Chicago briefly and then not 107 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 5: even briefly. I did it on and off for years 108 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 5: and an extra when subbrities came through Chicago, I was 109 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: the guy that kind of interviewed all the celebrities. So 110 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 5: I interviewed everybody, I mean, Trump, Lebron James, al Pacino, 111 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: you know, Scarlet, everybody that came through Chicago. I interviewed 112 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 5: all of them, so that you know that was I 113 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: enjoyed doing that, but I was really living kind of 114 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: a regular life. I remember having some people say move 115 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 5: to La some agents and stuff like that, and I 116 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 5: actually had my car packed at one point, and it's 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 5: just something in my gut just didn't sit right with me. 118 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 5: So I went back to sort of a normal life. 119 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: But I've got a eleven year old boy who is 120 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 5: the best, best kid in the world. I don't know 121 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 5: if you guys can see this or not. 122 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Look at that? Can you see a guy? Look at 123 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: those eyes? That crazy? 124 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: He's a looker, beautiful. 125 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 5: But his name is Jackson. He's the best, great athlete, 126 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: super smart. I just knocked over my high noon, Bob. 127 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: Something's never changed. 128 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: Now I'm screwed. 129 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 5: And then so I was, you know, living a normal life. 130 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: And then I'm trying to think. Probably five years ago, 131 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, sold 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 5: his company for substantial amount of money. He was a 133 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: film major in college, wanted to make movies. I had 134 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 5: some contacts. He ends up meeting Mike Tyson. Of all people, 135 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 5: they really get along, and in my head, I was 136 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: going to do a documentary on anxiety, depression and just 137 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 5: mental health. And so he goes, well, hey, I interview Mike, 138 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 5: and then he had William Shatner, a couple of Navy seals, 139 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 5: and then I kind of got the rest of some 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: pro baseball players pro golfers, therapists, really. 141 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: Anybody that could help. 142 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 5: But but yeah, Mike Tyson was the first interview, and 143 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 5: that feeling was kind of like, it felt very similar 144 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 5: to go on that first night on The Bachelorette. It 145 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 5: was the same exact feeling. I didn't sleep for two 146 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: days and just outrageously nervous for it, even though I'd 147 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 5: been on camera lot. It's just it was intense for 148 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: me because I wasn't doing it every day type thing 149 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 5: where it was consistent where you get used to it. 150 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 5: And then Mike Tyson's sitting across from you. 151 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: But he was great. 152 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: That was a great interview too. 153 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 5: When you look at like today, you know, mental health, depression, anxiety, suicide, 154 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: and fortunately is at a boiling point, especially with the 155 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: young people the town I live in. I mean, there's 156 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 5: a horrible incident last week, but. 157 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: It's on the rise. 158 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: And I thought Mike Tyson gave probably one of the best, 159 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 5: it's simple, one of the best answers I've ever heard. 160 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: And I just asked him if you ever been suicidal? 161 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: And he's like all the time, He's like fifty different 162 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 5: times over the years, right, And that guy just keeps 163 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 5: getting back up, but his answer was, you know, it's 164 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 5: just a moment in time. 165 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: It'll pass. It's just a moment in time. 166 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: And I think, especially young people, we all do this 167 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: right where you think this is it, you go through 168 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 5: some crisis. 169 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: We all been there, Bob. I've been at your worst moments. 170 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 5: You've been in mind right, yeah, where you can't see 171 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: the future in a way and you're just kind of 172 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 5: down and out and we're fun guys, and we're fun, 173 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 5: but it's like that other side. You could be outgoing 174 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: and life of the party, but also struggle inside a 175 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 5: little bit, right, But everybody has these moments. Crisis is universal. 176 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 5: Being broken as universal, but just understanding that it's a 177 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: moment in time, it's right now, and if you could 178 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 5: just sort of zoom out and that this moment will 179 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: pass and not only pass, but you might look back 180 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 5: at your hardest times and say, yeah, you don't want 181 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: to go through that again. But maybe there was something 182 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 5: on the other side of that that did make you 183 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 5: stronger and maybe you realize something. 184 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: But I mean, do you agree with what I'm saying 185 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: a little bit about her? 186 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, man, I listen, I've said it forever about you. 187 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, one of the reasons we migrated 188 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: to each other was we kind of needed each other, 189 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, on at that stage in our lives, and 190 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: thankfully have continued our friendship like for so many years 191 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: ever since then. But yeah, I've often said it. At first, 192 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't think people would look at you and think 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: that you had this situation going on. And but I 194 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: also think it's because you've approached it in such a 195 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: way that you do. You are funny about it, and 196 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: you are lighthearted about it, and people root for you. 197 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: And I've always rooted for you, and I think that 198 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: it's one of those things you know, you see someone 199 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: you love and care about struggling and you're like, come on, man, 200 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I know you can do this, you know, and you've 201 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: done harder things and crazier things, and and so you know, 202 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I've said it for Avertrice that I think, 203 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, you set such a high bar for how 204 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: I think the people that are in that lead position 205 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor and Bachelorette should be. And you were 206 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: so kind to all of us, you know, and it 207 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: was like you were so sweet and it's just your disposition, 208 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: it's just who you are, and and I think Jamie 209 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: in particular was able to I was able to be 210 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: feel like I could be myself because you made me 211 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: feel that way. But Jamie also, I think he felt 212 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: so comfortable with you that that kind of took the 213 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: pressure off, Like you almost forgot you're on a TV 214 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: show because you're talking to this beautiful person who's really 215 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: sweet and kind and and you know, Trista. 216 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 5: That goes back to back to what you were saying, 217 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 5: where I thought you were great. You didn't I hit 218 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 5: it from everybody. 219 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: I didn't. 220 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 5: It's not like I told you I had this and 221 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 5: you didn't do anything that was You were really nice 222 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 5: to me, So yeah, I never said anything negative and 223 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: I thought you were I thought you were great, Bob. 224 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 4: I think it was funny. 225 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: Where I can't remember when I first talked about it 226 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 5: was either when Chris Harrison had that live show or 227 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 5: me and you went on Diane Sawyer. 228 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 4: I think it might have been Diane Sawyer. 229 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: I think it was. 230 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was. 231 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 5: Weird for me because that was live TV, and I 232 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 5: remember me and you kind of we went out for 233 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 5: really late that night before and then it was which 234 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 5: probably helped. 235 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: Honestly, shocking amazing, amazing, the two of us get together. 236 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: It still happens now. 237 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 5: Then what's weird about that is she gave the commencement 238 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 5: speech at my at Illinois for my graduation, and that's 239 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 5: why I was. I was at my worst though when 240 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 5: she gave it and everybody else is seeing in the future, 241 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 5: I was at my worst. I was like, God, now 242 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 5: I got to go in the real world with this 243 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 5: thing that I'm hiding and I can't deal with. And 244 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 5: there's people everywhere obviously, So when me and you, I 245 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 5: don't know if you remember this, but I sat there 246 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 5: and I told her in that brief story and then 247 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 5: that's kind of what she wanted to talk about. 248 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I do remember that. 249 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wild. 250 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: It was great. I thought it was amazing. You confronted 251 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: your fears head on, buddy, and that's a that's a 252 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: hard thing to do. 253 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: Connie Chung was hilarious, though. Do you remember that what 254 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: a disaster I was on. 255 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: That you were? Yeah, that was really funny. 256 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 5: Bob talked for about twenty five minutes, like I didn't 257 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 5: say work, and then while we're on air, and this 258 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 5: is like during the Iraq worry and so there's like 259 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 5: all these monitors. 260 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: I was more. 261 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: Curious because Bob was. I actually loved it because Bob 262 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 5: was talking. So I was just staring at like over 263 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: here at the monitors. And then she goes, Jamie, what 264 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 5: do you think about that? I wasn't listening to any 265 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: of it, no idea. Oh and I just feel like this. 266 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 5: I go, what do you think about what? And you go, oh, 267 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 5: she's talking about the Iraq Warrior. You give your thoughts 268 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 5: on the Iraq working. 269 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: She was not talking about that the way. 270 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so fun, that like so fun. 271 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 5: We went through this whole experience together and you know, 272 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 5: all these fun stories and yeah, absolutely. 273 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: How do you think that you would have felt if 274 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: social media had been around you? 275 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: Would you have actually done the show? 276 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: That's a great point. I think there's pros and cons. 277 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 5: I think social media is it's really dangerous. You know, 278 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 5: I was an adult, but like say, for a teenager, 279 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 5: it's potentially dangerous, right is it? Like you could let's 280 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 5: say you're not part of the cool club on Facebook 281 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: or Instagram, and then your comparisons are a bad deal. 282 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: Well, I can't imagine that a therapist hasn't told you 283 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: to stay away from social media with you know, I 284 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: would assume in books and anything you read on panic 285 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: disorders that maybe social media. 286 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: Is not where you should be spending your time. 287 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: You know. 288 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 5: I think it's funny because I was never on Instagram 289 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 5: till I did this show. 290 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: My podcast, and it's funny. I actually like a lot 291 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: of it. 292 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 5: Like I think there's some very helpful stuff if you're 293 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: trying to deal with mental health. But yeah, I think 294 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 5: where it gets tricky. I think there's some really good 295 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 5: stuff on them. But and then the algorithm start working 296 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: out where if I'm hey, I'm trying to beat anxiety, 297 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 5: I'm trying to be depression and whatever it might be, 298 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 5: those'll start popping up. So that stuff I think is 299 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 5: pretty good. The trick is, like I said, the comparisons 300 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: and inequities. So you know, you're in high school or 301 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 5: let's say you do something stupid, which in high school 302 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: I did all the time. 303 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: It's like, all right, well that's on there. 304 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 5: And then you know, Bob and I probably a million 305 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 5: thoughts going through has right now with things we've done, 306 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 5: and like, well how do you live that? 307 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 4: Down? 308 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: Is their potential like fame there And I've heard stories 309 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: where somebody did just throw something on Facebook and. 310 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 4: It goes viral, and now that that person's dealing with 311 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: the shame. 312 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 5: So but I think the big problem is is that 313 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 5: and then just the comparisons and you know, everybody's putting 314 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 5: obviously that we've all heard this before, but obviously their 315 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: best filter whatever you want to call it, on there. 316 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: So I think that's the danger. 317 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, thank god we didn't have to deal 318 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: with that, and we had lots of fun. I mean, 319 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: our my season are I say our season because it 320 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: was our season even though it was my bachelorette, was 321 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: just so much fun. We had the best time, our 322 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: big guys, our group was so great. 323 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: We were so lucky. 324 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 5: You were awesome, You were you were great to all 325 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: of us. Super I thought you were handled a first 326 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: time thing extremely well. And like you said, that had 327 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: to be a lot of pressure. I mean, just being 328 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: the person in the first to do it, and like 329 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: and like you said, which I didn't quite know, but 330 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 5: the scrutiny and about you probably dealt with some of 331 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: that too, Like how was that just dealing with public scrutiny? 332 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: I guess, like how do you process it? 333 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: Oh? 334 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: I feel like I'd still do a really horrible job 335 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: of it. 336 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: I saw your Ted talk, though, I thought your Ted 337 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,359 Speaker 4: Talk was great. 338 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. 339 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: I feel like, for the most part, and you guys 340 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: probably have the same experience, is that ninety nine point 341 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: nine percent of people are so positive and so supportive, 342 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: and you know, big fans whoever come up and talk 343 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: to me. But then there's like, you know, that point 344 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: oh five percent that and I don't know what movie 345 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: it was in the eighties, but there's a movie in 346 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: the eighties that I remember said it's just easier to 347 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: believe the bad stuff. 348 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: It's in some movie. 349 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: Right, and and I feel like it's just easier to 350 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: you know, oh, you're right, because like I talked about, 351 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: I did Special Forces, and I talked about the devil 352 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: on my shoulder and the angel on my shoulder, and 353 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: it's just sometimes it's just easier to believe the devil. 354 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: The devil's you know, on my shoulder is just at 355 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: me all the time, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. 356 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't belong here, and I suck, you know, I'm whatever. 357 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: So I think that. 358 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: I just I tried try to focus on the positive. 359 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: And I will say if I had had any other cast, 360 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: maybe it would have been different because we did have 361 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. It wasn't like super serious and 362 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: dramatic and you know, all of those things, and it 363 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: was just fun. 364 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: At least for me. It was. 365 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 5: Well, it's probably perfect because you had you had Ryan 366 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: who's like, you know, was the perfect person person for 367 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 5: you at the time, and then outside of that, it 368 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 5: was like he was the one, and then he had 369 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: a bunch of people having fun. So you know, it 370 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 5: was probably a perfect, perfect match, perfect world. 371 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: For that and for him. 372 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: He has always said, thank god that I had that 373 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: he had you guys, because he wouldn't have been able 374 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: to stick around as long as he did. 375 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: And thank god that guy didn't play basketball with us 376 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 5: on the basketball court, remember that, because it was just 377 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 5: us playing bomb I never showed up. 378 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 4: You would have kicked all our asses, right, do you remember? 379 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: Do you remember that trust out? I'll never forget that one. 380 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: Jamie and I are shooting hoops and we're not invited 381 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: on this particular date. I think you guys are going 382 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: to uh Sea World and you come over and you 383 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: look gorgeous, and you're standing up there at this thing 384 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: and there our basketball court was kind of sat down 385 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: on the side and we're sitting there and you come 386 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: walking over, and at first we think it's a great 387 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: thing that you're walking over because we don't realize the 388 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: cameras are following you and we should have known that. 389 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: But and you go hello boys, and we're like, oh, hey, 390 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: how you doing. And we're just hanging out down there, 391 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: and we're still it's using great to see you, you know, 392 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: and you go, uh, you literally go, well, thanks for 393 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, coming up and welcoming me to the house 394 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. 395 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: And we're like, we just we just kept playing basketball. 396 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Well have fun on that day. You know, we'll see 397 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: when you get back. 398 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: You want a beer, Yeah, you want a beer. 399 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: We're just shooting hoops drinking beers. It was like, it 400 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: was so funny because you giggled and I remember you 401 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: walking away and we're like, does she hate us? 402 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: Okay, it's sarcastic. 403 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 5: I remember one thing we went to a go cart 404 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: track and Bob and I were up pretty late and 405 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 5: this was so funny. So like we're pretty hungover and 406 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 5: we get to them. We're like, where are we going? 407 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 5: And we're like a go cart track and we both 408 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: start laughing. We're like, it's probably not a good idea 409 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 5: right now. First we're going a go cart track. So 410 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 5: this guy was like, these things went like five thousand 411 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: miles an hour, right and there's like nine million turns. 412 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 5: I could barely see straight, and oh my god. This 413 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 5: guy was explaining like, you have to hit this apex. 414 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 5: He was ultra serious, the guy at the track, at 415 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 5: this apex, that apex that he was, you know, over 416 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 5: and over and over. So we get to the very 417 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 5: end and Bob goes, sir, what's an What does an 418 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 5: apex mean? 419 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 420 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: So good. 421 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: He's like, when you hit the apex, you want to 422 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: make sure that you engage the And I'm like, okay, great. 423 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: He's like, any questions, I just won uh the words 424 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: you've used six thousand times? What is an apex? What? 425 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: I knew what it was, to be fair, I was 426 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: just teasing interested. 427 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 5: Going back to your point, you said like you would 428 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: kind of remember the negatives because I just interviewed this 429 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 5: pro baseball player, Tyler Matzik, which is coming out tomorrow, and. 430 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: He said that. 431 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 5: So he was the number one draft pick in high 432 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 5: school in like two thousand and nine through ninety nine 433 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 5: miles an hour, which is still fast. 434 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 4: But back then you're like you're like an alien, right, 435 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: and you fast forward? He do you know? He goes 436 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: to the Atlanta Braves does okay? 437 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 5: He goes five and eleven his rookie year, but in 438 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 5: his head, he wasn't perfect, and he was just sort 439 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 5: of focusing on the negative because he prior to it, 440 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 5: he was so good that he developed the yips, so 441 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: he couldn't throw ten feet all of a sudden. So 442 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 5: I'm like, this is a Major League picture. All of 443 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: a sudden, he couldn't throw ten feet, and I go, 444 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 5: where would it go? 445 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 4: He's like, well, over my head to my feet. 446 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 5: Not twenty nineteen, he's living in a He's living in 447 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 5: a trailer park in an RV. I don't know IF's 448 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: a trailer marker. He's living in RV. And then he 449 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 5: met this Navy seal who I interviewed, who taught him 450 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 5: kind of a different mindset perspective, which is more of 451 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 5: the stuff that I tapped into when I was trying 452 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: to combat anxiety. And twenty one he wins the World 453 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: Series for the Brave strikes out the side Yeah nlcs, 454 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 5: including the well what he said I go, what do 455 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 5: you think caused it? And he goes, well, when you're 456 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 5: a kid, if you really think about it, you only 457 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 5: really remember. And this is for adults too, kind of 458 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 5: like you said, the highs and the lows, but like 459 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 5: the extreme lows, not maybe not a low, but like 460 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 5: if somebody's publicly scrutinized, you're going to remember that because 461 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 5: you don't like it. And it's not even that it's 462 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 5: not even true, So your brain doesn't necessarily forget those things, 463 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 5: and they sit in your subconscious and you also remember 464 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 5: the highs, but those even you know, some of THO 465 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 5: like he just remember as coaches yelling him. 466 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: When he was eight or nine and they were maybe 467 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: a little over the top. 468 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 5: And he's like, you know, it's not like I totally 469 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 5: remember it, but it sits in your subconscious and it 470 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 5: could come out. 471 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: So it's interesting. It's just the extremes I think we 472 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 4: deal with. 473 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: You know, I haven't talked about this. I don't feel like, 474 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: not for any reason, or maybe I have. I had 475 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: a panic attack. I've had a couple of them, and 476 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if that classifies me because I haven't 477 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 2: seen a therapist about it. But I don't know if 478 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: that classifies me as having panic disorder or what, but yeah, 479 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: I it was a really really scary situation. Ryan wasn't there. 480 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: It was when we had just announced that he had 481 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: lime disease, and I thought he was going to lose 482 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: his job because we were in the press a lot, 483 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: and people were calling the fire department like directly and 484 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: like wanting to pass on messages, wanting them to pass 485 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: on messages, and you know, they have a lot of 486 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: other things to worry about other than passing on messages 487 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: to Ryan. So I got really scared. I remember the 488 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: weirdest thing. I don't know if you experienced this, but 489 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: my nose went numb. It like was tingly, and that's 490 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: that's when I knew something was wrong. 491 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is really weird. 492 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: I guess you have like the. 493 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: Heart racing and you couldn't think you're going to die 494 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 5: of a heart attack. 495 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: It's dizzy. Yeah, it was horrible. It's really scary. 496 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: So I'm so sorry that you've experienced this, but I 497 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: feel like you're helping so many people with your podcast. 498 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: It's called stepping into the fire. 499 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 5: Stepping into the fire, and then Bob if you don't 500 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 5: give me more subscribers, we're gonna call it stepping into. 501 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: The ship pretty soon. 502 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Hey, buddy, we're going to talk all about First of all, 503 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: I want to say this, I think you're you're a 504 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: hilarious guy, and you know, I love you to death, 505 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: But you're actually a really good interviewer. I mean that 506 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson interviewed, that you've interviewed Mike Tyson. I know 507 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: you've interviewed a couple different professional golfers, baseball players, I mean, 508 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: several big name actors. I mean, the people that you 509 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: get on your podcasts are just mind blowing. And I've 510 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: I've often asked you. I'm like, how do you get 511 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: these people? You know? I just reached out to their people, 512 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: you know, And but I just think it's crazy that 513 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: you you you've gotten some of these people on there. 514 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: But I mean, you're a really good interviewer, and you know, 515 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: I think you're great at listening. 516 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: Well, I think I'm not. I think that I appreciate 517 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 5: you saying that that's a skill I have to work on. 518 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 5: I think is I interrupt a lot? 519 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: I watched it. I'm like, what am I doing to 520 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: stop in repting. 521 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 5: But a lot of that is like I'm really nervous, right, 522 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 5: So it's like I'm jumping in when I shouldn't. 523 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: It's just because I'm fighting off nerves, you know what 524 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 4: I mean? 525 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: Wow? 526 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, ed Ramp guy that. 527 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 5: I interviewed, so he was going to be the globally 528 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 5: the CEO of Caterpillar CEO. It's als right, So he 529 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 5: doesn't have a mental health issue and he's got the opposite. 530 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 4: And so that resonated with me. 531 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 5: Like I said, I couldn't beat anxiety or what I 532 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 5: was dealing with in an office I had to confront. 533 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 5: So the Bachelor was kind of Bacherette was sort of 534 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 5: my Mount Everest, so to speak. Right, So if I 535 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 5: can go do that, that's all the possible fears I 536 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 5: can have. Negative outcomes could come out on that show. 537 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 5: But for this guy, he's got a term illness. He's 538 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 5: about to be ceof Caterpillar. It's a two to five 539 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 5: year death sentence. But I get more out of this 540 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 5: guy's story than maybe a book or a therapist or 541 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 5: anybody else. And I asked him, I said, well, obviously, 542 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 5: what you know the depression that you must have felt 543 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 5: when you get this diagnosis and he goes, no, I've 544 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 5: never been depressed. 545 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 4: I've never been anxious about it. And what he felt 546 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: was gratitude. 547 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 5: So it's stories like that because I could get yeah, 548 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: because I could be negative. I get pretty negative. I 549 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 5: get in my own head, as Bob knows. But to 550 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 5: hear that, and Bob's super positive. And that's why I 551 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: like people like that because it gets me out of 552 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 5: some of my negative spirals. But like number one, he's 553 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: thankful for the life he's lived. He's walked his daughter 554 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 5: down the aisle, you know, he's done gulfed with his son. 555 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 4: Things like that. He's passed two to five years, he's 556 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: eleven years in and he's doing well. 557 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: But he didn't follow the kind of typical approach that 558 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 5: everybody said, hey, you got two to five years, this 559 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 5: is what you're going to do. 560 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 4: And he said, I don't. I don't operate like that. 561 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 5: It's just not how I'm wired, and that you know, 562 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 5: it was sort of like similar to anxiety. 563 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: But he's trying to beat this thing. 564 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 5: So it's about, you know, trying to serve other people, 565 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 5: which goes back to some of the Navy seals I've 566 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 5: interviewed where their motto is kind of embrace the suck 567 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 5: and yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable. So going on 568 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 5: the battery for me was uncomfortable. But I'm not getting 569 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: bullet shot right, Yeah, I just look like an idiot 570 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 5: on TV. So it's embracing the suck in difficulty. But 571 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 5: on the other side of that is like, why is 572 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 5: the Navy seal doing that? It's to serve other people. 573 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 5: So like the beauty of the show, the opportunity that 574 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 5: I had with you guys and Tristan for not dumping 575 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 5: me day one, which you should have. You give me 576 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 5: longer than you show, but you know, to use a 577 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: show like that as a platform to help other people, 578 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 5: and I've had when I went on This is funny 579 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: after Diane Sawyer, I told my story. That was the 580 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 5: first place I really told it, I think, and I 581 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: didn't plan on it. 582 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: I just did. 583 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 5: And they're like, well, what are you doing with it? 584 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, I've got a I've got a book. 585 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: I didn't have a book. And then they're like, well, 586 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 5: where can we find out more information on you? And 587 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 5: I said, well on my website. I didn't have a website, 588 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: So you knew these things. So we're walking off the 589 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 5: show and Bob goes, you don't have a book or 590 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 5: a website to you, and I go, I go, no, 591 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 5: You're like, we better call my web hosting guy and 592 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 5: like get a website, and. 593 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: Ye, yeah we got you hooked up pretty quick. 594 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it led to a book and it led 595 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 5: to But I had six million emails after talking about 596 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 5: that on Oprah and Diansaur from people that had that 597 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 5: were suicidal, that were depressed, that were anxious, especially teenagers, 598 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 5: but just people that had never talked about it, because 599 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 5: I don't think people, especially a guy, that had ever 600 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: really talked about mental health. Now it's a little more 601 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 5: obviously out there and the stigma's been. 602 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Broken, but yeah, post COVID, it's definitely out there more. 603 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, it wasn't. It wasn't then, It 604 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: wasn't something. 605 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have to say I think that it's 606 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: still uh requires attention, you know. I don't think that 607 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 2: people talk about it near enough. So thank you for 608 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: what you're doing with your podcast and just being really 609 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: talking about it and coming on the podcast. 610 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: Thank you guys. 611 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: Finally did it. We did it. We finally got him 612 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: on here. 613 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. I know it was difficult. 614 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 5: I was actually dealing with my own anxiety, so that 615 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: was some of that avoidance and finally I had a confronted. 616 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 4: So thanks for coming in there with me. 617 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: We love you, buddy, and congratulate. 618 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 4: I love you guys. 619 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's great, great seeing you, Trista, Bob. 620 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 5: We'll see it see in the next light you got. 621 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: We love you too, brother. 622 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: Love you too. That our good thank you. 623 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Trista. Isn't he something he is? 624 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: He's such a great guy. 625 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: I'm so thankful he was on the season, and you 626 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: know he is he's always self depreciating, always, you know, 627 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: like he I just wish he believed in himself more, 628 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: you know, and that goes out to all all people 629 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: who you know, deal with anxiety and panic disorders. I 630 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: just if I could do anything, you know, Yeah, no, 631 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: I give them some belief in themselves. 632 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: So see, that's your big heart, that's your big heart, 633 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: that's your you know, that's where you come from. Which 634 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: which uh, you know, it was just a perfect storm. 635 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: I think it was a perfect storm that we were 636 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: all on that show together and became friends and right 637 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, and then you know, Jamie and I like, 638 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I love it because you know, Ryan, Jamie 639 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: and I are on a text thread together too, by 640 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: the way, and we touched it through it now and then, 641 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's so nice to have that relationship 642 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: that's continued on for twenty some years, I mean longer 643 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: than you know, some conventional friendships that you might have 644 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: had along the way. And here we are, twenty three 645 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: years later, still talking and that you and I all 646 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: the time, and it's pretty awesome, you know. So I 647 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: thank you for that. I thank you for that very much. 648 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: Of course, right back at you, and thanks for tuning in. 649 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: Guys. 650 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going to talk next, but 651 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: hopefully we can figure something out because we miss we 652 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: miss chatting with all of you. I miss the ogs, 653 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: and I know that we have a lot to talk 654 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: about coming up with Golden and Paradise, and I know 655 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: that Ashley and Ben will be doing lots of that. 656 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: But and then we'll have another Dancing with the Stars season. 657 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: I know that they're casting for Special Forces, so hopefully 658 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: that will be coming up soon. So I don't know 659 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: who knows what's in the works, but if you want 660 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: to hear from anyone in the OG REALM, let us 661 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: know we'd love to have them on. 662 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we would for sure. Well, I love this day. 663 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks everybody for watch out listen 664 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: for the almost famous ogs. I love you, my friend 665 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: Trista Sutter, Nate Wren and I had to throw it 666 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: in there and I can't wait until next time. M