WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Warriors take Game 1 over Timberwolves + Haliburton Game-Winner deflates Cavaliers

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<v Speaker 1>The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us for another episode of Nightcaps. For the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in NBA history, all the road teams won Game one.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had two of four, we've had three of four.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never had all four win and that's what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple of them won in dramatic fashion. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get to that new and just the moment. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>and our special guest tonight to talk about basketball is

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, and he calls games for the Houston Rockets. Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get right into it. Tonight, the Warriors beat the

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<v Speaker 1>Wolves a large part without Steph. Steph left the game

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<v Speaker 1>early in the second quarter with a hamstring injury. Did

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<v Speaker 1>not return the Timberwolves tonight. Naz Reid. Nas Reid was

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<v Speaker 1>three or seven from three. Everybody else was two of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, and they did not get off to the

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<v Speaker 1>the best start shooting the basketball. And as Chris Finch said,

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<v Speaker 1>our transition decisions making what's diabolical, He said, the poor

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<v Speaker 1>shooting effect their confidence and overall players starts with Anthony Edwards.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see the light go out and for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while now he did get it going. In the

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<v Speaker 1>second half, he had twenty three points fourteen rebounds. It

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<v Speaker 1>just took him twenty two shots to get those twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three points. And that's not nearly good enough because outside

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<v Speaker 1>of ad Man, Julius Random was four of eleven, jayde

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<v Speaker 1>and Daniels six to twelve, Rudy Gobert was four seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Conley got some great cardio in tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>But Deevin chevso three of eleven, Mikil Walker, Alexander had

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<v Speaker 1>Well had fourteen minutes, he got some great cardio in,

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<v Speaker 1>and even Shannon Junior he got cardio and only got

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<v Speaker 1>two minutes on the bike. Oho, but he got a

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<v Speaker 1>little cardio in, So you only have to do eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes on the bike after the game because he did

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<v Speaker 1>get two minutes of cardio.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan, I'm gonna start with you on this.

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<v Speaker 1>You watched this game and you was like, Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors might be in trouble. Steph going out and looked

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<v Speaker 1>like he had it going. Looked like he was headed

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<v Speaker 1>toward the monster night. He had thirteen points in about

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen minutes, so it looked like it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those nights. Draymond got off hit four of

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<v Speaker 1>his five first threes. But you know what, I let

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<v Speaker 1>Draymond have that. I just don't want Steph, Buddy, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>get going. What did you like about what you saw

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<v Speaker 1>from the Warriors tonight? Man, the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing they could he could have pulled that hand string

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<v Speaker 3>on Sunday last Sunday, he could have pulled that hand

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<v Speaker 3>straight would be having a whole different conversation. Now, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get that out there right now.

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<v Speaker 2>First and foremost.

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<v Speaker 3>But man, I don't think people understand and giving Golden

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<v Speaker 3>State the credit. Defensively, they are sound, they're smart. Steve

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<v Speaker 3>Kerr will get out there and switch defenses. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>someuth I've never seen in this series against Houston, against

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<v Speaker 3>our guys. He ran three two zone. He ran one

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<v Speaker 3>three to one in the NBA. That's something you never see.

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<v Speaker 3>To take away the elbows. And he doesn't mind switching.

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<v Speaker 3>Sup gonna go play big, He'll go small and right now,

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<v Speaker 3>one thing he's doing, he's Darren Rudy Gobert. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna put Jimmy Butler. I'm gonna put Raymond. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not putting the die above six eight on you. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's really challenging go bear to score the ball inside

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<v Speaker 3>the paint. Now against shen Doon and Steven Adams, he

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<v Speaker 3>went big. You saw a lot of Clinton Posts. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't see Quinton Post tonight. You saw you Sawkabon Looney,

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<v Speaker 3>Andre Man. You know you saw both those guys in

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<v Speaker 3>the lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pick.

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<v Speaker 3>Make this very clear, they're not gonna win this series

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<v Speaker 3>without Steph Perry. He's gonna have to get back depending

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<v Speaker 3>how bad that hamstring is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've never seen step go down.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny, man, we're talking about this the other

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<v Speaker 3>day with Steph.

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<v Speaker 2>If you watch him play, I don't know. He must win.

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<v Speaker 3>Run three to four to five miles, everyone possession.

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<v Speaker 2>He's running. So finally that hamstring, you know what went out.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Chad Wollt see in reality where Anthony Edwards struggles that

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<v Speaker 3>bad offensively, they gotta find ways to get him going.

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<v Speaker 3>And ultimately in game one and with a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>Russ the positive when you play seven game series, you're fresh,

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<v Speaker 3>you're ready, the juices are going.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw Russ from Minna. Oh, Joe, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you think about what you saw? Because like you are,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I don't think ant man, he'll jump shot

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<v Speaker 1>all night long. Everything that he got was going to

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<v Speaker 1>the basket, or it was from the free throw line.

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<v Speaker 1>He was terrible from the three point line. What was

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<v Speaker 1>he from the three point line? Oh, he did make one.

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of five from the three. He was

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<v Speaker 1>four or five from the free throw line, nine or

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two from the floor. Overall, he did have fourteen rebounds.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that they didn't allow him to do.

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<v Speaker 1>They made him incredibly inefficient, and they didn't let you

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<v Speaker 1>look at his assists total two remember when he played

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<v Speaker 1>in the Lakers eleven assists, eight nine assists. So not

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<v Speaker 1>only is he getting his points, he's allowing everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>to get involved. Tonight, Golden State did a great job

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<v Speaker 1>of limiting him, making it hard for him to get anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't get anything from the jump shot, the three

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<v Speaker 2>point line.

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<v Speaker 1>He got some driving baskets in the second half, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't nearly nearly enough. What did you look so Tember,

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<v Speaker 1>what you like ant Man? What is it that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see that you want to see in order for

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<v Speaker 1>them to win this series?

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<v Speaker 2>Moving forward?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean actually going forward, the Wolves, the Wolves are

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have to have and man has to be on

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<v Speaker 4>he has to be on fire. He has to be

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<v Speaker 4>the leader and go out there and not only facilitate,

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<v Speaker 4>but take a game over. You know, it is only

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<v Speaker 4>game one, and I honestly, honestly, from what I saw,

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<v Speaker 4>I knew Steph was getting hot when he when he

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<v Speaker 4>was playing, But when he went out and he tweaked

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<v Speaker 4>that hamstring a little bit. I think, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the perfect opportunity for the Wolves to get back in

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<v Speaker 4>the game or at least make it a close game.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what I thought it would be, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>towards end, I thought that we have opportunity to come back.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously Jimmy, Jimmy Butler and and Enjoymond Green kind

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<v Speaker 4>of kind of led the way, you know, Buddy Hill

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<v Speaker 4>helped as well and making sure that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But but he got going in that second half.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet, yeah, you got to go on the second It's

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<v Speaker 4>only game one. It's only game one, so I'm expecting,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Anthony Everais and the rest of the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of that crew collectively to have to have a better game,

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<v Speaker 4>especially at Man gotta everything. Everybody gonna feed off his

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<v Speaker 4>energy and how he plays, so everything starts with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you think about it. Minnesota's qored eleven points

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<v Speaker 1>in the second quarter. The Warriors almost outscored them in

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<v Speaker 1>the second quarter. The Warriors scored twenty six points in

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<v Speaker 1>the second quarter. They had thirty one points at the half.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota bed I don't know if I've ever seen a

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<v Speaker 1>team beat this this poor in an entire quarter, twelve

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<v Speaker 1>minute quarter, right, I don't know when the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you see somebody score just eleven points in a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>in today's game.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, maybe when the game was physical. Hell, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember game being seventy three, sixty eight, seventy to

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>But in today's game, when it's up and down, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I've seen this anemic of a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>from a team.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the thing that you got to understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>You must have missed our series.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>They defend and in Golden State more than anybody. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't funnel you into a beg because the biggest dream law.

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<v Speaker 3>They just square you off and they keep you in front.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all school basketball, and they force a contest. Then

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<v Speaker 3>you bring Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy can play both away,

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<v Speaker 3>so they got size and they're switchable. And then you

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<v Speaker 3>know Kurt will come in with guys off the bench,

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<v Speaker 3>but very leaked because it's a different style and you're

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<v Speaker 3>used to seeing it. And even when curries out there,

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<v Speaker 3>HER's put on so much muscle, he's stronger. They're deep

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<v Speaker 3>into their scattering port. If there's a weakness that you have,

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<v Speaker 3>you can argue they may be the smartest team in

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA defensively, so it's not a surprise. And on

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<v Speaker 3>the other end, this is my challenge to Anthony Edwards.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's gonna shoot the ball better just by his

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<v Speaker 3>guy getting abilities. When he learns how to truly play

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<v Speaker 3>the game and manipulate defenses, he is gonna be He's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 3>Luca Doncas can't jump over a from book, but he

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<v Speaker 3>can manipulate defense. And you know what I'm saying, Like

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<v Speaker 3>Luka Donca is gonna find a bad matchup, he gonna

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<v Speaker 3>pull you into a pick and roll, use the angle

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<v Speaker 3>and get it at man playing on all heart right now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all hearts. Well when he learns how to run

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<v Speaker 3>the pick and roll, find the four matchup, see how

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<v Speaker 3>they're playing him.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't guard him, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's made strides and the game is gonna come

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<v Speaker 3>so much more easier to him. But again that was

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<v Speaker 3>Russ And like Chad saying, chatt is almost impossible, we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna expect him to go into the next game and

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<v Speaker 3>play that bad and you're gonna have to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>here's some problem, Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how y'all both y'all feel about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're gonna have to ask Jimmy Butler to do

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more than he's been doing. Jimmy Butler's been

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<v Speaker 3>playing heavy minutes, but he's been saving himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He had eleven rebounds to night.

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<v Speaker 1>He had eight as sister tonight, as you mentioned, because he,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, Draymond is a point whatever you call him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a point, center, point forward, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>call him, because he initiates a lot of their offense.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what Kerry Curry does. Curry spends his time

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<v Speaker 1>being in perpetual motion, running from side to side, coming

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<v Speaker 1>off picks, coming off pin downs, and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not really initiating their offense. That role goes to

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green. So now with Curry being out,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably gonna ask Jimmy to do a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more of the scoring. He can't be as much as

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<v Speaker 1>a facilitator because he had Curry taking a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that scoring role. Now, if Curry's going to be out,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna ask him to do more. He's more than

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<v Speaker 1>capable of doing that because we saw him for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of years in Miami do some of everything. Go

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<v Speaker 1>get you fifty. If you need six fifteen, sixteen rebounds,

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<v Speaker 1>go get you that. You need double digit assists, he

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<v Speaker 1>can get you that. And so I agree with you, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's gonna have to be He's gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to be more of everything. He's gonna have to be

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<v Speaker 1>that guy what we saw Lebron be for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those years. Maybe lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe steal block shots because he has that ability. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be very interesting to see how the Wolves respond

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<v Speaker 1>to this because.

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<v Speaker 2>They had it fairly easy for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, the Lakers would always choke it off and they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they would get some confidence going and the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, at Man get hot. Everybody catch

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<v Speaker 1>five shooting your three. It was five and twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>to night. Now they're not. They made the fifth most threes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not. They weren't a great three point shooting

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<v Speaker 1>team against the Lakers. They just got HoTT and spells

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<v Speaker 1>and that was good enough to carry them over.

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<v Speaker 2>At Man did what he did, But.

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<v Speaker 1>You got Jane Daniels averaging twenty two to twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>points a game. And you see the night he had twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>You had Julius Randill giving you twenty two and six

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<v Speaker 1>and five. He had eighteen tonight. So everybody played below

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<v Speaker 1>their average against the Lakers. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that this effort tonight, they're gonna have to find something

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<v Speaker 1>because I like what you said, Ryan. The Warriors are team.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't beat themselves. They make you beat them. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think they're gonna make silly mistakes, oh Joe

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<v Speaker 1>by threeing the ball over being caught out of position,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see them pointing to bro I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>had that. I thought you was spold to show. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you was gonna hedge. I thought we was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>switch this. You don't see them doing a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>They know exactly what they're gonna do, according to what

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do, and if you beat them, you beat them.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not gonna make those silly ticket tag mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>that you're like, damn, well, you know we made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mistake like that. That's not what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing also, I want to touch on it.

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<v Speaker 2>You say you say when you beat the Warriors. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta beat them. They're not going to beat themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And we talked about Anthony Edwards in that in that

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<v Speaker 4>cast collectively having a better shooting game and and and

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<v Speaker 4>shooting above above what their percentage is to even have

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<v Speaker 4>a chance to win.

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<v Speaker 2>But are we even worried a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit about the about the Warriors, you know, with Curry's

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<v Speaker 4>hamstring being out going into game too or do you

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<v Speaker 4>think Jimmy Butler, Buddy Hill and Dre Monk.

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<v Speaker 2>And hey Chad, I'm gonna tell you one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as as fatigued as he is and his age,

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<v Speaker 3>he might.

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<v Speaker 2>Be back game three or four.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the gold right now, if you're Golden State of

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<v Speaker 3>ceed and you notice you stole that game, yes, so

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<v Speaker 3>now you can rest. Yes, when Jimmy Butler went out

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<v Speaker 3>against Houston, they were able to rest because they won.

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<v Speaker 2>They won a game, and they were able to get

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<v Speaker 2>him back.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're gold State, you're saying, if we can

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<v Speaker 3>get him back by game three or four and not

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<v Speaker 3>rush it because we sol a game, which means even

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<v Speaker 3>we just need to get one at home, and now

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<v Speaker 3>we still got a series. That's the biggest thing I

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<v Speaker 3>want to touch on something. You said, Anthony Edwards wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>threshured against the Lakers. They literally it was man one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he played one on one, but he pretty much zoned

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<v Speaker 3>the week side because they don't have the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>pressure the basketball. Golden State got up from pressure to

0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Edwards. Okay, Gary Payton the second yeps a dog. Okay,

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.320
<v Speaker 3>he can dog Draymond and guard you. So they showed

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<v Speaker 3>bodies and they're saying, thick it to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, nas Reed was wide open.

0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Mc daniels was wide open for three because I can

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<v Speaker 3>help him recovering.

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<v Speaker 2>To those guys, they don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>A n maw shooter if it's not Mike Pinley in

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<v Speaker 3>that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you look at Julius Randall oh for three,

0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Jay McDaniels, oh for three, Mike Conley oh for two,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Edwards one for five, Dante Devenceienzo one for seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Walker over two.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Golden State says, you know what, hey, guys, let's not

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<v Speaker 1>chase them off the line. Let's leave him at the

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<v Speaker 1>line because they ain't gonna be able to throw a

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<v Speaker 1>notion anyway. So we running out of there, getting out

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<v Speaker 1>of a position. And and this is what's surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people might not realize. To be a small,

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<v Speaker 1>small team, go toen State is a great rebounding team.

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<v Speaker 1>They out rebounded They out rebounded Minnesota by ten with

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<v Speaker 1>Rudy Gobert with Julius Randall, with Nas Reed with.

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<v Speaker 2>Man with Jaydon McDaniels.

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<v Speaker 1>Let that think it because if you look at them

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<v Speaker 1>side by side, you're like, damn, Rudy Gobe looked like

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<v Speaker 1>Delia Julius Randalls sixty nine, so I mean the tallest,

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<v Speaker 1>the tallest player that they and then started lineup with

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<v Speaker 1>probably Draymond and Jimmy Butler. At sixth seven, you got

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry six two six three, maybe Buddy Hill. But

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<v Speaker 1>they getta they get a they cause they get you

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<v Speaker 1>out of position because you're scrambling trying to run guys

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<v Speaker 1>up the three point line. They missed and they know

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<v Speaker 1>what about to care and they get the ball. But no, Chad,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason they don't give those rebounds, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it earlier. They stay on the body.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to beat them off the bounce, and even

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<v Speaker 3>when you beat them, they stay in the play.

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<v Speaker 2>So now your body's on bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>When I can get bodies on bodies and box you out,

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<v Speaker 3>it's old school basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve approaching old school basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why they they're so dominant on the glass.

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<v Speaker 3>And then on the other end, here's my fear of Chad,

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know how you feel about this. Worry's

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<v Speaker 3>running around. You gotta give attention. You gotta get two

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<v Speaker 3>to the ball. That opens up Buddy Hill, that opens

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<v Speaker 3>up the other guys, It opens up Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 2>But even though.

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Butler doesn't want to shoot, he got he got

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<v Speaker 3>free space. That free face is gonna go away. And

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<v Speaker 3>my key, this is my keyball forward. The Temple Wolves

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<v Speaker 3>are excellent when they can turn you over. They're young,

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<v Speaker 3>they're athletic, they play off energy. And Golden State is

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<v Speaker 3>doing what Chad. They holding the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Chad, you watch them, they hold the basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna see them shoot by design and normally in

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<v Speaker 3>basketball chair, you don't want to see this. It's almost

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<v Speaker 3>like a football y'all. Don't want to play that team

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<v Speaker 3>that's gonna defend and just hold the ball. They hocking

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<v Speaker 3>the ball the last that's those them say, they shooting

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<v Speaker 3>the ball at five seconds, eight or five seconds every possession,

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<v Speaker 3>so they pushed the game out in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I mean. They're they're the total opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of Indiana. If you look at Indiana, they're looking to

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<v Speaker 1>push them for eight or we get off the rim.

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<v Speaker 1>But you look at it and fort dribbles, they got

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<v Speaker 1>somebody if you're not careful, they got somebody laying the

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<v Speaker 1>ball up in the basket. You look at Steve Curry, says,

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry is day to day and we'll get an

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Tomorrow. Obviously, he's crushed Buddy Hill game one, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four points, five may threes. He's hit fourteen to three

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<v Speaker 1>in his previous two games, and he won them game

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<v Speaker 1>seven because he caught fire and they didn't have an

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<v Speaker 1>answer for it. And tonight the second half, when you

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<v Speaker 1>saw Minnesota started to make a run, it was him

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<v Speaker 1>boom boom boom in the third quarter, and when they

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<v Speaker 1>cut it Ryn and Ojoe. You remember in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they had got it down to eighth, he

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<v Speaker 1>made a two pointer and then he came right back

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<v Speaker 1>down and made a three and pushed it right back

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<v Speaker 1>to thirteen, and they really never challenged after that.

0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.080
<v Speaker 2>But Buddy is playing. I mean, look, he could always

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<v Speaker 2>shoot the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at him where he is now as

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<v Speaker 1>far as three pointers, he's head of what Curry was

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<v Speaker 1>at the same point in time in their careers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm not saying he's gonna catch Curry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's a better shooter, but I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>step came in and and and started this revolution or

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<v Speaker 1>this evolution, whatever term you want to use. And so

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<v Speaker 1>now guys are coming in and they're getting up more threes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now you, I mean, you might have when

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<v Speaker 1>it's all said and done, Ryan, you might have three

0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.480
<v Speaker 1>guys that made ten guys made three thousand threes in

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<v Speaker 1>a career.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna give you this about Buddy, Hilda. And

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<v Speaker 3>here's a childie, Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you you. I don't know if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are this type of guy, Chad in your career. But

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<v Speaker 3>Buddy Hill is not great at being the second and

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<v Speaker 3>third option.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a guy that has to get his touches. And

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<v Speaker 2>see her made a genius.

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<v Speaker 3>Playing because what he did in that game seven against Houston,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, we need a third option and and it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't gonna be cominga.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. And Gepsky is a dog. I like him.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, he got an old school solid player. But he said,

0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Buddy Hill, play what fixed you best? And it paid off.

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<v Speaker 3>Lad do you were you one of those guys? Could

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<v Speaker 3>you be second?

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<v Speaker 2>I know you know what I'm saying, matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy could play second, but you had to get is

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<v Speaker 1>like most number one receivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Get him the ball early.

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<v Speaker 1>Get you can't deal it, dally around with him and

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<v Speaker 1>wait till the second quarter or the third quarter to

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<v Speaker 1>try to beat to the ball. Give him a smoke,

0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.040
<v Speaker 1>give him a quick out, give him a slant, Let

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<v Speaker 1>him touch the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>If you let him touch the ball early, you can

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<v Speaker 2>have him lea.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably gonna lose him if you don't give it

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<v Speaker 1>the ball to the late the second quarter, right before

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<v Speaker 1>the half of the third.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not calling matter of fact. He needs his touches.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can speak to that a guy like a

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<v Speaker 2>small example.

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<v Speaker 4>I can think about what I stood on the table

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 4>when TiO had the opportunity to come to Cincinnati. I

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 4>told Marvin, I told Mike Brown, I said, listen, we

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<v Speaker 4>gotta get him we got to get him in here.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no problem taking the back seat. I have

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<v Speaker 4>no problem being number two, understanding the greatness that's getting

0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 4>ready to come, you know, into the receiver room. Now

0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 4>at that point, common God damn sense, this is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the best of all time. I don't care how

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<v Speaker 4>good I am right now in Cincinnati. I'm going to

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.720
<v Speaker 4>take a back seat. Geo, I'm taking the back seat.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had no problem with it. So at some point, obviously, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>just like you said that, Brakowski and Carson, they knew

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 4>to give me my touches early and the office the

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 4>offense ran really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell but just that year we went four and twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>so we still were. Sorry, but I'm over that both, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still over that over.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>that year. Pacers still Game two in Cleveland. Only three

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<v Speaker 1>teams have come back down seven in the last minute

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<v Speaker 1>of a playoff game since nineteen ninety seven. The Thunder

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<v Speaker 1>did it on May thirteen, twenty fourteen. The Pacers did

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<v Speaker 1>it April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was seven days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pacers also did it May sixth, twenty twenty five,

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.920
<v Speaker 1>which was up tonight. Oh, Joe bur We talked about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>another six, another six guys in double figures. You got

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Siakam twelve, Nie Smith twenty three, turn them twenty three,

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:49.199
<v Speaker 1>them Hard thirteen, Halliburton nineteen, Matthren nineteen. You see, you

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you just know it's a committee. Now, you

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know who's gonna be the lead, who's gonna be

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the president, who's gonna journ the meeting? But you know

0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 1>these guys are gonna and they did a nunbelieve job.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in a situation like this, Ryan, correct me

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm wrong. Look, yeah, the other team has to

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.239
<v Speaker 1>make has to make a lot of mistakes. But in

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.480
<v Speaker 1>order for you to steal a game with fifty seconds

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 1>left and you down by seven, you gotta make everything right.

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.240
<v Speaker 1>You gotta miss, you gotta miss a free throw and

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<v Speaker 1>get a rebound and get a name one you I mean,

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you see you see Mathn They missed a free throw,

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:25.280
<v Speaker 1>he dunk it home. Okay, Now Halliburton make one. He

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 1>missed the next one, he get it? Who will out four?

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<v Speaker 2>Three?

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Everything that could have gone wrong for the Calves, the

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 1>calves throw them all night getting the ball in. There

0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>are a couple of times they could have got some violations,

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.720
<v Speaker 1>but and then I don't know what happened.

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 2>He just threw the ball right to them. Are them hard? Said,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, thank you very much, but they're in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this series is over and it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the most ethic collout because the team that won this

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>many games to possibly get swept.

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I can see them getting swept. Ryan, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you see that.

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<v Speaker 1>You got some glasses on, putting them blasts on so

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<v Speaker 1>you can see if you can see what I see

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<v Speaker 1>a chat chat.

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<v Speaker 3>I called this before I seen it, And this is

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<v Speaker 3>what's crazy. And the Pacers the most underrated team in

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Their a team chid.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year they went to the Eastern Front Frience Finals

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 3>and everybody said it was for injuries. Listen, man Rick Carlow,

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 3>nip Hard mcinal. They got some dogs over there. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not the sexiest, Okay, they don't got the forty inch

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Burt mac during Is athletics, Jakams athletics.

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>But other than that, they just are tough.

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Hard those players and the way that the NBA is

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.160
<v Speaker 3>played now that is shifting to It was a game

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 3>of athletes, a bunch of three past shootings. Now it's

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 3>a game of toughness and skill. Indiana has toughness and skill.

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 3>They moved to basketball like you talked about in Halliburn. Hey, now,

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 3>hold on, man, they need to put some respect on

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Halliburton's names overrated player at the NBA. Let me tell

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 3>you something from schematically, there's only a handful of guys

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 3>that can manipulate the game. Chris paul I played with Chris.

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Chris is one of those.

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Guys that can do it in the NBA.

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Now it's Lebron, it's Luka, Doncic and James hard when

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 3>he's on his a game, sy rees Halliford could manipulate

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 3>the game.

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<v Speaker 2>What do I mean by that?

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 3>He's the guy that can beat you with the past,

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.160
<v Speaker 3>and he can beat you with the shot. And when

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.120
<v Speaker 3>you take one way, he's gonna make the correct play.

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 3>So were looking at the stat sheet. He got nineteen

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 3>point four assist in the game winners, and he's got

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 3>the clutch gan he finds away. It's not the prettiest game.

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 3>It's not the prettiest.

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 2>He the guy get it's the Kevin Martin.

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 3>He got a little Kevin Martin around, but he's a

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 3>dog and he finds the way. But Chad, Am I

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 3>crazy to where I called this before that happened.

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I got in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Record, I called it, Am I crazy to say that

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 3>still is gonna outweigh the athletes and the size. And

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:02.199
<v Speaker 3>obviously give credit to cattle players. They chucked the game up,

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 3>but they had injuries. They had guys messing down of

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.679
<v Speaker 3>the initial dropped forty eight pints in the game and

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, if I'm donning the Mitchell,

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 3>I say, I drove forty eight. That's all I can

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 3>do to will my team to win. And we put

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 3>win with sit It's a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah for me, Ojoe, I thought the game could

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>have been even closer. I mean, think about it. See

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I come had eight shots. He's one of you, he's

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>your all star. Calim Burton had eleven shots. Think about

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>how many of those shots came in the fourth quarter.

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bro, what are y'all doing? I mean, nobody

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.119
<v Speaker 1>took more. Miles Turner had the most shots. He had seventeen.

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>They don't had eighty five. They shot almost fifty two

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>percent from the floor. If they take better care of

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the basketball, I mean, nim Hard had eight turnovers, so

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>he had almost half of the turnovers. If they do

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>a better job taking care of the basketball, I'm not

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>so sure Cleveland get out to that lead.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>But Cleveland as the.

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Game got closed, I mean, they was up big, and

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>every time, here come Indiana, Here come Indiana. They go

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>up eighteen nineteen, Here come in there on to will

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it down to nine. They go back up by thirteen,

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>they cut it back down to seven. I was like, okay, now,

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>y'all miss around. Y'all, ay, you're playing with five because

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:11.719
<v Speaker 1>y'all letting them.

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 3>God.

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>They like, hey man, we're right here. We make a

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of plays, we get a couple of stops. You

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 1>know you're getting down huddles. Hey, we make a stop

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>right here. Oh yo, get the ball back to our office. Hey,

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>who knows what can happen? And that's what happened. They

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>messed around and let him get close a and you

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>hit that three point shot. It's like, oh, it's a

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>one point game. Oh and Halliburton got the rebound. Hey,

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>he dribbled out. He got the matchup that he wanted.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>God would work. Hey, I ain't give you the three

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>if you go to the basket and tied up. Yeah,

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 1>if I give you that, I'm not.

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 1>But look like I said, Nie Smith had twenty three

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>he played really well, four rebounds, three blocks, Miles Turner

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty three points, eight rebounds, five blocks, Tyre's Halliburton nineteen points,

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>nine rebounds, the game winner, the ship, the series shift

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>to ending on Friday. You're talking about a team that

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>what what sixty four games and could possibly get swept.

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Have we ever had a team win so many games

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>to get swept?

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that that ninety four SuperSonics team they got. They

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't get swept, but they got beat by the eighth

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>seed of the Denver Nuggets. But to get swept, yeah,

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>at sixty four wins.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 4>But I honestly listen, when you talk about them having

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 4>sixty four wins, you got to remember, you gotta remember

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 4>tonight they were they didn't have key contributors. There's Darius

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Garland's out, Everan moe le DeAndre Hunter's out, So those

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 4>sixty four.

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 2>They would have had that twenty point lead or they

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>just went out once they got to leave. You state,

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>they can't an injured. So they had a twenty point

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>lead with those guys on the bench, right.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 3>So that's what that's why. But that's why Dinah in

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:49.959
<v Speaker 3>the half forty eight because he had to do more.

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I give him that. But see, what are

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>we surprised that Donovan? We Donovan's had fifty seven of

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>the playoff game. Him and Jamal Murray both had fifty

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 1>of the playoff game. We don't think about how many

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>times he scored thirty in a playoff game. I think

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>five of his seven games with the Calves he's had

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>at least thirty. We know he's a scoring machine. But

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>as long as he got how.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 4>Many hold up he had, he will fit fifteen for thirty,

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 4>fifteen for thirty.

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can live with the A. That's that's sufficient,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>that's fitting.

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Shoot, he didn't shoot the three ball well and he

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>had nine assists. Yeah, so he did all he could do.

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But you can't turn the ball over in situations like that.

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>You can't leave guys. You just can't make the mistakes

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in You got listen, you got to win that game.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 2>You can't play. I don't believe they can play any better.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Run with the guys that they have missing, they can't

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>play any better than what they played tonight and they

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>don't have anything to show for that performance.

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Give and this was Indiana's mindset. Let me speak the

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 3>son that you two can't speak to. Okay, y'all's first

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 3>options all of flame. So let me speak to the

0:28:55.240 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 3>role players. You can give energy, you can bring life.

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 3>They they played like their backs were against the wall.

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 3>But as things get tighter, you need your stars. Now,

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Donovan did his job, but Darius Garland is the other

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 3>closer on that team. He's the guy you put the

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 3>ball in his hands and he's the playmaker.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Things get happen on the backside.

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 3>So the role players, the heart was there, but as

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 3>things got tighter, where were they gonna go with the basketball?

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 3>And Donovan could do too much. So for Indiana they

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 3>were patient. They just said, where's your offense going to

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 3>keep coming from? So you know that energy, the excitement,

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, and when you have a bag go out

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 3>and you saw this with Bolden State, you valghanize behind it.

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>I think Steph Curry went out, you know, Draymond Green.

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 3>But as for known as a now shoot the future

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.479
<v Speaker 3>Hall of Famer. By the way, I think Draymond hit

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>three or four straight three pointers in a row, so

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 3>you saw the energy from the role players. But as

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a role player, when the game is getting tight, I'm

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 3>looking at Chris Paul okay, I'm looking at Paul Pierce.

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking for those guys and they not on the floor.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 3>We're going protheros.

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>We can only run so much offense. And it's funny.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 3>There's a saying it's not about the exisz and o's,

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 3>it's about the Jimmys and Joels.

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>You have to have players in those situations.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So no disrespects to the guys on the floor for

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Keith Cleveland, but Donovan Minchell alone wasn't enough. And the

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 3>thing is, you got a well oiled machine over there

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 3>with the pacers, and they just let it get tighter,

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 3>let it get tighter, and then they accept their moment.

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And because they're at home and the fans, you look

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>when a game when you've had when you have a

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>lead and all of a sudden it starts to dissipate.

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>The fans can feel that too, because everything is ooh

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>oh no, and all of a sudden, it feels like

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the basket had a lead on it. Max Scruce played

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable tonight, five to twelve from the three. He ended

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>up taking out from outside the lane and flushed at home.

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>He was hyped. I thought Tiger Rome played well. Meryl

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>hit a couple of big threes. Allen had twenty two

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to twelve with three blocks. But at the end of

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the day, as that game, you look, you up twenty

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you look up and there

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it's like fifteen seconds and you only got a three

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>point lead. You don't feel as good as you once

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>d n. You don't feel as good as you once did.

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>You're like, damn, we about to let this ish slip away.

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Check this out chair. When I when I played in.

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Dallas, so derv Jason Kidd, Jason Terry a Chain would

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 3>have a lead on us and we would go on

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 3>the road and we would live for these moments, almost

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 3>inserting myself as a role player to these situations. Now

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna do this. But the one thing you would

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>say is, oh, they getting tight. I'm not gonna say

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 3>the words we were saying. We were saying they getting tired,

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and try to watch them get tight those arms the

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 3>t ranks, arms come out and brush your mouth and

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 3>you just looking for one crack. Heck, look, man, I'm

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 3>a calling for what it is the reason I'm so

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 3>passionate about giving them Lebron to respect I give him

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>is because we had them down three one.

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Lebron was not Lebron at that point. He wasn't Peter James.

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>He was cling p J but he wasn't King James yet.

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>And what he did coming in the Boston with our

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>team and our guys and we kept waiting for that

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 3>moment for Lebron to shrink. We had waye figured out.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 3>With all due respect to Dwayne Wade, we had great

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Avery was doing the x glen job. We had him

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.719
<v Speaker 3>figured out, and Lebron took over in that game and

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 3>he willed his team to victory on the Championships and

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the rest is history from there. But

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>if you've been in a situation where you know you're saying,

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 3>give us the ball back this game, give us.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 4>The ball back, you know, if if anything, especially a

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 4>situation like that, where it's where it's a pressure situation

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 4>and it gets tight, Uncle would be would be better

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 4>suited to say that because he's been a bigger game

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 4>he's been.

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>We have one of the best, We had one of

0:32:55.840 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the best pressure pack quarterbacks in the NFL here Street.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>That's what he was known for.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>So we knew if the defense could get a stop,

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter. If we're down fourteen with five minutes

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to go and they had the ball, we gotta stop.

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go down this score quickly. Defense, get us

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>one more stop, get us off the field. We get

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>that ball back. Oh, we're gonna get it. We're gonna

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>get a touchdown to beach it. We're gonna, we're gonna

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna find a way to beach it because I've

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>been in that moment too many times and they know it. See,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing is is that when you have somebody

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and and and they know it, they know.

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>What you know.

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>God, even when the Ladder had that twenty three point lead,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a some new was on the

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>sideline like, hey man, that's Brady over there. They know

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>what's over there, and you still worried about.

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>The man because you many this.

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 3>What's it gonna take for Tyrese Halan Burton to get

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>that respect because he just did it. To your honest,

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 3>he didn't come out there, but he got like, what's

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 3>it gonna take for how the burden? And this was

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 3>league wide they chance and overrated the game. He addressed

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 3>it in the press to overrate that. What's it gonna

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 3>take for him? In your mind, Chad to get that respect?

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 3>And is there anybody that you knew that was getting

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 3>that over rated tag and what they do to get

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 3>over it?

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's crazy. I think it might be. It

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 4>might actually be where he's playing. And I really think

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 4>it might be where he's playing, you know, And and

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 4>and outside of that that that's it. And obviously he's

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 4>a he's an All Star. And then the group of

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 4>players that he's combined with when it comes to All

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Star his game isn't pretty, isn't pretty like everyone else's.

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It's it's I lu He don't play above the rim

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>like y'all. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. So

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not gonna be what all the guys that I mentioned,

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>James Hardenwood, like you said, James can go give you fifty, Yeah,

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>could give you fifty A Luca, you know, Luke, you

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>see Luca give your sixty twenty two double. Yeah, John

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>can play elevator above the rim. So you look at

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the guys that's that plays the position. I don't know

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>how many guys you're taking. I mean, you might take

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>him over a John, But are you taking them over Steph?

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 2>No, you're not taking them over Luca. Are you taking

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 2>over Shape? I gotta hear that. Huh. You said you're

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>taking them over Job, holl of Burden and Job. You

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>said you're taking Alabama. No, but that's what I'm saying.

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying of the guys that I mentioned, you're not

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>taking them over Shape.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>You're not taking them over Luca. You're not taking them

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 2>over Steph.

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not the only reason I would say you

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.240
<v Speaker 1>probably take him over Job is because of Job's injury history,

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>because I can't Job if.

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 3>You if you take injury history out, I can't look

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>at that at the time.

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Similar teams, though, can you say that he got asked

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>you know Memphis JA.

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>He got triple j J where similar? Yeah, I know

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 3>you can't take out injury history, right, be taking away

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.240
<v Speaker 3>the flashy play Chad. John has a flashy place.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm not. But are you taking Halliburton? Taking

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Haliburton on the job. Absolutely not. That's I like.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Listen, I like I like I like Halliburton. I think

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 4>one of the reasons why he got that underrated label

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 4>is simply for one, with a team he plays on,

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 4>and two, even though he's efficient and he gets the

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 4>job done at a at a high level, it's just

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 4>something about his game.

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not pretty, you know, it's not as pretty.

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 4>It's not as esthetically as pleasing as everybody else is

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 4>when you watch a job, when you watch James Hard

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 4>or Steph Curry or Lucas, you know the guy, oh Joe.

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>What you're saying, if all the guys that we mentioned

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>can go get your fifty, yeah.

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean you don't think hallburg give you fifty? No?

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Has he ever? What's the points Halibert to scored in

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the game.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Hey, he gets you forty, get you, get you forty,

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 3>get you.

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>You heard me. He can't get your quiet forty And

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be other than too.

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna be. But think about Shade, look Out, look Out, Shade.

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>How many times the Shave Shay had the most twenty thirty,

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>forty fifty point games We've seen Luca.

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>We've seen Luca drop seventy plus, so we know he

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>could go get fifty.

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>We think stepth do it. We've seen step do it

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in the game seven. We've seen step do it at

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty at thirty six, thirty seven years of age. Yeah,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the most points he's had. How many times he be

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>scored forty in the game? He got three forty point games?

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Shae had what tim of those?

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 3>This year's here's the thing to Chad, And I don't

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 3>know if you know a quarterback like this or a

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 3>wide receiver. He plays the right way, Chad, here's the

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 3>reality when he has the ball.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 2>This is not a sexy play. First star point guard. Yeah,

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the ball aheaded floor, making the ball ahead of the floor.

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Jason Kidd was similar to that, he's a different bill,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>But you just say you might not get the assists,

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 3>but it's the right play.

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Is gonna make the right play. And he just showed

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.240
<v Speaker 2>you tonight he's plucked. So and I feel like, oh.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Certain, Lebron, just be honest. Lebron don't get a lot

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 3>of the praise from the people. Obviously, he may not

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 3>be a puppet Tea's not what he grew up seeing

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 3>as as the adult. But Lebron will make the correct PLA.

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Burt's a guy who will always make the correct play.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Obviously he sat the bench for Team USA. Obviously during

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 3>the regular season they look pedestrian. They floodn't barred the seat.

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 3>We's sitting in the Indianna patris U bismal in Mobile, Okay,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 3>but they're in the Eastern Conference. But he's gonna make

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>the right play, Chad, are we faulting him for making

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 3>the right players in anybody that you can think of,

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 3>even on the NFL side, that makes the correct play

0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 3>and they don't get the respect.

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, we like somebody ball hog at the

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 2>ball and the thing is Halliburny.

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't turned the ball over. How many times do

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>we seen him have fifteen of sis in no turnovers?

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>How many times do we seen him have double digital

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>sists in one or few or two or fewer turnovers?

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>So he I mean, as much as he handles the ball,

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>he's very efficient at not turning it over. My point

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>is I would like to see him be more aggressive.

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you had leven shots and for the longest time

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>you had six, and I'm like, bro, come on, Cole year, Bro,

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you got to do You've got to give them more.

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>And then you see that fourth quarter, he gave them more.

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>He gave them an opportunity. Guys may play.

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Mad Burn made some a nice Smith made some big

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>threes that put back dunk that Matt Burn had, matth

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Burn had on that miss free throw. But I look,

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I got no problem with Halliburny not But I understand.

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>We like Flash, we like Magic Johnson. Ain't nobody can

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 1>think about it? How many people they got right now?

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>John Stockton, he got more assists, His record is never

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna be broken. Ain't nobody Probably them got John stock

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the top five, a point guard, because everybody like, Okay,

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I got Magic, I got Steph Curry, I got Isaaa Thomas.

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>They got so many guys in front of him because

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't flashing. All he did was pick and roll

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 1>your ass to death.

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 4>And he was fundamentally sound. And another thing, I like

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Halley's game. And you look, okay, you say, well he

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 4>sought the bench. Okay, I mean you go, who is

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 4>he gonna play in front of you? Got a gold

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 4>medal dough Yeah.

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 4>And you know, also you say about Holler Burton really

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 4>not being aggressive, only having eleven shots you gotta think

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 4>everybody else in double figures two, so he ain't really

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 4>got to do much because everybody else collectively is also

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 4>being efficient and scoring and contributed.

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't.

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Even know how the hell they won that game. If

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 4>you told me the score was, I think at one point,

0:40:59.239 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 4>I can't.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Away, I can't. It was one nineteen to one twelve.

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 4>All right, No, I mean, what's the biggest, biggest deficit

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 4>they were down.

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think they was down by like twenty twenty seven.

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 4>Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought the

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 4>game was over. I thought I thought the game was

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:19.879
<v Speaker 4>over at that point.

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 2>That's it. There's no way there come.

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 4>There's no way they're coming back, you know, even with

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 4>the injuries, even with you know, Hunter and Garland being out.

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 2>They just did that to Milwaukee. Chair. They had a

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 2>crazy game like that against when they ended Milo laid

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it up.

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a crazy chair, they got it. They're just

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.399
<v Speaker 3>saying now twenty points. You right though, Chair, But it's

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 3>similar with Milwaukee.

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right right now. Listen, I understand the game

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>of basketball.

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 4>It's a game of runs most of the time, especially

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 4>when you when you make substitutes and and things changed

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.399
<v Speaker 4>once you know your your second level, your second tier

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 4>guys coming the game. But twenty points, I'm thinking you're

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 4>supposed to find a way to keep that lead. Used

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 4>to be like, you already gave up one game. They

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 4>already stole one game from you.

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 2>You got to be like that. And then they come

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>back and he allowed the one person, the one person

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that you don't want to.

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Shoot the ball smart the ball found. So but you

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 1>know what, Ryan and you could attested this. It used

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to be like that when you got these big leads,

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, the game was over. But with

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that three point shot and there's so many guys that

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 1>can shoot it, now you're really never out.

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Of a ball game.

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 1>On Joe, we see team be down twenty five, twenty

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.919
<v Speaker 1>six points in the first half and lose a team

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that's down twenty six twenty points in the third quarter

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:36.879
<v Speaker 1>and lose a ball game.

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Because that three point shot is an equalizer.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>So if I hit a couple of those and you go,

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you have a couple of bad possessions, a twenty point lead,

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I make three threes and two layups. Guess what you back?

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>That's nine plus four that's thirteen. I've cut the lead

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>in three minutes down to seven. Hey, listen, we just

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>saw we just saw a team. We didn't get to

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>it yet.

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 4>We just saw a team that Liz by the three

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 4>died it too by not being able to hit it.

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys the goal

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 2>real quick for one. And I don't know how you

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>feel about this.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.959
<v Speaker 3>This generations, this decade, San Antonio Spurs is the Golden

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 3>State Warriors, got State.

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Pewell adapt to who he plays with, he wins with

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>who's on the floor.

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 3>And y'all just talked about not choking away lead. They

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 3>got the lead on the road, step courts in the back,

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 3>iceing up. Yeah, they held the ball. That watched Golden State.

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Do y'all say, how did they hold them to sixteen points?

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 3>And they said, they hold the ball and they shoot

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 3>with eight to five seconds on the clots. Now, I'm

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna give you some credit. Chafters Son, you gay Early,

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you some credit. When you are, I'm

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 3>gonna get you some credit. You said he needs to score,

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.439
<v Speaker 3>Haliburton needs a score. I think you said the tude

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 3>he needs a score to get that type of credit.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you a guy who scored the ball

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 3>and turned his I don't want to say turn his

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 3>career rounds, but became a different player.

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Mike Malone challenged the Kola yo kitch to score. He

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 2>was a right play type of guy. And when he

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 2>was challenged, go.

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Get Rudy Gobert a fifty ball, a forty ball or

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 3>whatever it may be. That changed the polar Yokic. But

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Yokic was similar to Holla Burten in the sense that

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 3>he was just gonna make the right make the right ray,

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 3>make the right place so he could be a guy.

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 3>And I hear you, y'all right, it is saying that

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 3>for you to get that attention, for you to speak

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 3>of you with the jaw and the staff and the

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, the tatums and everybody, you're gonna have to

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 3>go give us that consistent.

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Forty ball, that fifty ball when that game is on

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 2>the line.

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 3>So you're right, because Jokic Yokic, I'm telling you, man,

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 3>when he got aggressive, and that was always my thing

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 3>with him, didn't feel like he could score enough. Because

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 3>when we game plan for Yokic, you come out and

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:51.879
<v Speaker 3>say you can't give them both.

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Either you make him a passer, we blint him hands,

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>or you make him a score. Yeah, or you make

0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>him a score. You can't let him. You can't let him.

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>You can't let him be thirty twenty and fifteen. Because

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>so he got thirty points and he dissed, got fifteen assists.

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>You know about five or about five to seven of

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>those gonna be three pointerers. So now you're at his mercy.

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Gordon hit a game winning three against the Thunder.

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.399
<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of discussion about this today. Ryan,

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 1>do you think that the Thunder strategy of filing up

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>three with Jokic on the bench, that's what I didn't get.

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Nicola Jokic Game one, forty two points.

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 1>He had twenty six in the second half, twenty two rebounds,

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 1>six assists, two blocks.

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>He became only the fourth player in NBA.

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>History to have Now he's the fifth, well the fourth

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>player because Will did it twice forty twenty and five.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Will did it twice, Shaq did it, Yannis did it.

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Now Nicola Jokic has done it. Do you like the strategy?

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 1>I get the premise, but why would you file the backcourt.

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Why would you think the back court right, it.

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Was fully because you allow Yo used to get back in.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.840
<v Speaker 3>It's another play that happened that I don't think we

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 3>talked enough about. Shay Yios out of Grand and fuck

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 3>to the basket. He's wide open, he dunks the ball. Yeah,

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 3>you can get those two roubles the.

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 2>High ball.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 3>They're not talking about that enough with Shaye check Holme Rent.

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 3>This is two free tho. Okay, here's the reality. And

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>we just saw this with Golden State. The teams that

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 3>got pressed, the teams that played Game sevens, that Chad,

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 3>they came in sharp when you get battle chest and

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 3>you came in shark.

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay see, they had a cakewalk. They walked. The Memphis

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 2>met just shut it down, especially when John went down.

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 2>They weren't shouted.

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna expect Oklahoma City's gonna play better. Dagnall

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 3>definitely made some mistakes. And it's tough because I don't

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about it, but Rockets didn't have the

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 3>experience and you're looking at okay see and then was

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 3>an experienced loss and you can check. I don't want

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 3>to say anything bad because Mark has been unbelievable to

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 3>see this season series about him this season, but you

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>do have the challenge and and say, man, yeah you

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 3>could have played that different. And they and we're gonna

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 3>see everything we need to know about them boys in

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 3>game two.

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you look at I mean, the thing is and

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they had two big guys and you'll with to work

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 1>on them. Both of them had at least five files. Hey, look,

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>you can't stop it. You just hope you hope you

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 1>can make I say, Harden's started in check SE's and

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 1>guard bro.

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna call him the dog. Listen, I'm a skinny

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>boy too. Okay, that's a bard Bro. He's tall, but

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 2>he is guard. He too small to be down there

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>in the block and the paint. Anyway.

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, he need to go to He need to

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>go to some fast food restaurant and get him a

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>couple of burgers and some pries and a shake. Uh.

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>You look at Jokic.

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 1>He's second in points first and rebounds first and assists

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>first and steals what's stop?

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>He's look, I mean, what do you say what? And

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I said this before, I believe she should win the MVP.

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>But if you say you get one player in the

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>NBA I'm taking Nikola Jokic. I'm taking him over Giannis.

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking him over Luca, I'm taking him over Shade.

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking him over anybody because there's nothing that he

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>can't do. If you need a score, he can go

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>get you. He averages thirty. You need somebody to rebound,

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 1>he was thirty rebounding. You need somebody to a facilitate assist.

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:35.240
<v Speaker 1>He's second and third of assists.

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>What can he do that?

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>All these other guys can do nothing, and he's efficient.

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Don't look at his shooting percent don't look at his

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 1>shooting percentage. He can shoot the three, he got the

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 1>mid range. I don't know if I've ever seen a

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>big guy with I've not seen a guy forget big, medium, small,

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>with that kind of touch around the basket.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean the way with either hand. I mean, I mean,

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 2>what do we what do we watch it? What are

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 2>we playing here? I mean, if you would try to

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.760
<v Speaker 2>try to discredit him, well, he don't play no defense.

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Can I guarantee you the guy that he playing, I

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 1>guarantee you he ain't putting up those numbers. So unless

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>he put the number and cancel it out on you.

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:22.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't talk to me about no defense, right, Damn Dad,

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:23.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna chat.

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you both sides to this. I'm gonna

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 3>get I'm gonna give you both sides. Let's play Devil's

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 3>advocates in a moment. Okay, if he gets another championship,

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 3>which is very realistic, if he gets another championship, as

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 3>stick as the NBA is right, we're gonna we're gonna

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Be knocking on that dolt conversation and we just wanna say,

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:45.200
<v Speaker 2>whad go, wait, go there? What position at at center?

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>At center the greatest of all time?

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 3>You can argue with his numbers and his impact on

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.399
<v Speaker 3>the game, he may be the greatest center that we've

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 3>ever seen play the game, Chad, because he doesn't like

0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 3>you don't like the way you talk about you don't

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 3>like the way he does.

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 2>You're not used to a guy who cys up over

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.399
<v Speaker 2>folk book. You're not used to that guy.

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 3>But if you look at his impact, you look at

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 3>his numbers, you can argue he's the greatest city that

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 3>we've ever seen right now. Now, his story is yet

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 3>to be told, and in this generation, the way he

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:15.839
<v Speaker 3>manipulates the game.

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Forgive me.

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I talk about the Lufah and Lebron, and he impacts

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 3>the game like they do. He's the point child, he's

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 3>the point guard. He is in every way the point guard,

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 3>the influence on his game. Now, I talk back when

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 3>they say he had to play with an All Star,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 3>because he earned Jamal Murray into an All Star at

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 3>the end of the day. And I want to challenge

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 3>because if he gets a championship, he knocking on the door,

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 3>and if he gets another person who gets bold enough

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 3>to say I want to go to Denver and play

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 3>with him, it's a different conversation.

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Now here's the devil's advocate side of it. He's doing

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 2>that in this era.

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 3>If he did that in my era and before he

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 3>played with two bigs, we had four power forwards on

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 3>the floor on the roster. We have three to four

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 3>centers on roster. You didn't have the same type of spacing.

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 3>We would have been physical with him. He would have

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 3>been back putting into help. They wouldn't have had the

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.319
<v Speaker 3>three point shooting of the pace which helps him out.

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Guys can lean on him. I don't think he would

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 3>have been that effective. You don't think it was a

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 3>game of power and not necessarily for Nett. Now he's

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 3>the closest thing we have to our beatis of bonus.

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 3>But I can argue and understand both ways. But from

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 3>a numbers standpoint, right, or when we argue for Michael

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Wright, you argue that Michael dominated his right. The

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:44.240
<v Speaker 3>closest thing is Joel embiid did Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>was a three fourth time defense. He drops fifty balls.

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Freak go bear. Now Rudy say, I got it. They

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.879
<v Speaker 2>putting the pig and Rudy said, I got it. He said, brother,

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I got forty seven. What you got? You talk about

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 2>you gotta being out of Oh Joe dv.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I got he I don't know help. I got it, bro,

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I got ten four bucks, seventy five and two tones.

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 1>What you talk about you got me? You gotta get

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>some help over here. Here's the thing, and this is

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 1>very very likely. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 3>O Joe.

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.759
<v Speaker 1>He gets two more regular season MVPs. So now he

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 1>get two more. That makes it five. As Ryan says,

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he gets another finals MVP in the regular season two

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>finals with the numbers that he's putting up. Now, he

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 1>just became the first time of the average triple double.

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Let us see kid now, yeah, but hold off eight,

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on, y'all, slow down a little bit now,

0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:41.319
<v Speaker 1>let's let's think of let's think about this a little

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>bit now, Ryan, and you.

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 4>Say he does get another ring. Let's say he does

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.399
<v Speaker 4>with another two m vps. Are we sure we'll talk

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 4>about him being the best big man in the center

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 4>of all time, even with the centers that we've had,

0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 4>even the greatest now the Kareem, the Will, the shacks

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 4>that come.

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It's so hard to compare errors this, you know, it's

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 1>so hard to compare errors. But you have to say, Okay,

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Kareem dominated the seventies. Uh, Moses Malone dominated the eighties.

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if who was the big I mean

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Shaq for Elijahwan or Robinson in the nineties. But will

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Well Will dominated, Will dominated the sixties him here russells

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.800
<v Speaker 1>if So it's hard, but it's hard for us to

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>put the goat, say, a center is the goat for

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the civil fact is he needs a guard to get

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>him the ball. So that's why we kind of we

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>don't give Kareem here. Kareem is the only guy that

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>don't get credit for what he's done. He got sick,

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:50.479
<v Speaker 1>he got regular season MVPs. He had the most unstoppable shot.

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>You can talk about Kobe's fade away, you gonna have

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>dirt one leg step back here, and KD. You can

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.879
<v Speaker 1>talk about Cole, Kobe Midi, but the most unstoppable shot

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 1>in basketball history was won Kareem abdul Jabar the skyhook.

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Now he won six MVPs. Now think about what was

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 1>amazing Back then? The players voted on the MVP. The

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>players determined who was the MVP. Yeah you didn't know that,

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 1>did you ride, Yes, the players voted for the MVP.

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Caud, you really got it when you had a respect

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to your peers, you really got that. Yeah, he was

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 2>that boy.

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>He wonted think about it. Magic Magic's rookie year, Kareem

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.400
<v Speaker 1>was MVP. So how is that possible?

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:38.919
<v Speaker 2>The MVP.

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.240
<v Speaker 1>And you win the finals, you win the championship. Magic's

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 1>rookie year, Magic is finals MVP. Kareems regularly the MVP.

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing.

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Had Kareem not got hurt, Kareem would have been the

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 2>finals MVP. Kareem was averaging thirty three and twelve. Go

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 2>look it up.

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.720
<v Speaker 1>He was giving work to Carwell Jones and Darryl Dawkins

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and they had no answer for but Korean ended up.

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Go look it up.

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.000
<v Speaker 1>See I'm old enough to remember that on chore people

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:06.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to try to try to run run game when

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you try to put the wool over which can't pull

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 1>on up. Because I'm old enough to remember, because I

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>had to watch the game the next day because back

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 1>then the game was take delayed on Joe.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:17.359
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't watch it live.

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:22.720
<v Speaker 1>So the game come on one dat Yeah, yeah.

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Watch it like that.

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:28.319
<v Speaker 1>You already know who was the game. I'm gonna watch

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 1>it anyway. Maybe something happened and didn't they didn't tell

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>me about it.

0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:34.839
<v Speaker 3>And forgive everyone as we had this conversation, shout out

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 3>to that let because we know them. This us, We're

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 3>doing this for the simple fact that's sports.

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>The debate.

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so let's fancy me and Karine was absolute good

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 3>nothing darting, but he didn't put karm and pick her

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 3>roll and he sure he sure is dark Karen, there's

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 3>no question, but he'd have moved he hadn't got assist,

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, and Paramas Karema was an athlete. You know,

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 3>when we look at it, Giannis, if you said, Karine,

0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:58.880
<v Speaker 3>bring the ball up the floor and go through the

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 3>letl done that he was that. Still, if we're looking

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 3>at Bill Russell, I think the eras are so far away.

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't even want to spect the game and try

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.239
<v Speaker 3>to compare it. But in terms of Shaq, this is

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 3>what we can give this a shack Davis.

0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. Shaq would have been physical, right,

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 2>but Shaq wouldn't have guarded him.

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Robert Horry would have guarded Yokic, and Yokic would have

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.839
<v Speaker 3>wore we love big shot hold on a shout.

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Legend would have had to hold his ground, but Rob.

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Would have had to chase him and he'd have got

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 3>his numbers, and Shaq maybe maybe would have had to

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 3>slide over late. And here's the reality our vitas and

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 3>bonus with department in trouble.

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 2>He listen, he.

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:49.759
<v Speaker 3>Wore the Lakers out. He wore the Lakers. So if

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.320
<v Speaker 3>that's the indicator of him, and no disrespect to the

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.920
<v Speaker 3>big fella, no, none at all. I loved Shaq shackles

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 3>On the wall. You know what, question theire He would

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 3>have wore that team out. Now, he couldn't guard Shack.

0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 3>But you look at the numbers, you look at the impact,

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:06.440
<v Speaker 3>and he looked at what he did. Shock is the

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.839
<v Speaker 3>most dominant. We don't take that away. But as far

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 3>as the impact, that what he would have had. He's

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 3>a younger r Vetas now Vetus is more athletic. He

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 3>was a couple exes taller.

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Beating seven three. People don't realize how tall he was.

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>He was seven three.

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>But by the time he got to the Lakers, he

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>had spent much of his time with the Unified team,

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and so by the time he got to the Lakers,

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:28.919
<v Speaker 1>his needs were bad. He wasn't that or Veta. Could

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 1>he passed the ball? Yeah, proud to Yoki. He was

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the best passing big man that we had ever seen.

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But by the time he got here, he had spent

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 1>damn near over a decade just played with the Unified team.

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.959
<v Speaker 1>So his knee, his body had started to break break

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 1>down on him. Ojo, but he was he was a

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.959
<v Speaker 1>tremendous passer. Now he couldn't score the ball like Yoke.

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.120
<v Speaker 1>He could not score the ball like yo But he

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>could pass the ball like Yoke. He'd have the ball

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:53.960
<v Speaker 1>out here and the next thing you know, the guy

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>coming and he would dump it down to him. He

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 1>was a phenomenal player. But the thing that separate rates

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Yoke is that from any other big the center is

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>that he could do it from three levels. Most of

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the guys Elijah one had the mid range. He had

0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>played back to the basket. He could play around the rim.

0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Shot was around the rim. Okay, Kareem could throw the skyhook,

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 1>but we've never seen a guy that could shoot the three.

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>He had the mid range, and he can put the

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>ball on the floor and finish at the rim, not

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>not above the rim, at the rim.

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 2>We haven't seen a guy.

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 1>We've never seen a big guy that could do that,

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if we'll ever see one that

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 1>can do that that is stilled as he is right now.

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Chad, I want to give you this. And when you

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 2>see Yo kicch you know you see him in person.

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 3>He's about six sixth the lap of the seventh feet

0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 3>for these waters, he's seven what about six to eleven

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 3>and seventeen. He's huge, He's and his shoulders are wide.

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.479
<v Speaker 3>So he finds off you. When he makes a move

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 3>his shoulder he is huge, Yeah, he's huge, bro, and

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.080
<v Speaker 3>his arms are lost so he can't junk high. But

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 3>when he put him the ball above his head, when

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 3>he's making a move, he's effective. And if you watch him,

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 3>he's a lot stronger. He plays a finesse game, but

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.600
<v Speaker 3>he's so much stronger than he gets spreaded for. That's

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:14.960
<v Speaker 3>a strong boy right there. So when he's hitting the dolls,

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:19.440
<v Speaker 3>he's not overpowering him. He's an unbelievable coordination and he's

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 3>just backing you on the rams and he's looking out

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 3>and he's watching you.

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, the wildest thing he'll do, he'll watch the help.

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 3>You get a great player who can pass, he'll sit

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 3>there and he'll watch the help and as soon as

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 3>you pop, he's throwing that neck.

0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon. He's making those type of plays.

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.040
<v Speaker 3>So I think even from a physical standpoint, he's just

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.840
<v Speaker 3>uniquely built with his with his coordination and size.

0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 2>And then you think how long, how much he plays,

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and no, he's not a great defender. He's a wallup defender.

0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 3>He's played more at the level in picking rolls this

0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:53.120
<v Speaker 3>year under Mike Malone that I've seen him play and

0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:56.080
<v Speaker 3>he will do it first, but it's not something you

0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 3>want to rely upon.

0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 4>Wait, I ain't know even that guy, damn tong because

1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 4>if you look at this work, you look at his

1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.320
<v Speaker 4>footwork when he's in the post. Hell, but even when

1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:06.200
<v Speaker 4>he's out and goddamn space and he put the ball

1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 4>on the floor, Like, what the hell he?

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking he about six five six seven, he at

1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 2>least six to eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>But you see his package though, to be that big,

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.240
<v Speaker 4>you see his footwork, to be that big, moving like that.

1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what soccer? He loves soccer. You look at guys,

1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 1>look at Luca love soccer. Okay, okay, look at the

1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:31.640
<v Speaker 1>lines you want. Grew up playing soccer. That's why he

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.400
<v Speaker 1>had the footwork that he had. That's why he doing

1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:38.680
<v Speaker 1>all this up and under drops depth. He's phenomenal.

1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, I got gonna saw you Ryan, now I

1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:47.520
<v Speaker 2>know joking, Jo Joker? Is that that boy? I have

1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 2>a question, now, y'all chat, don't don't jump on me.

1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking a question.

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<v Speaker 4>If Boogie, if Boogie cousins hadn't got hurt, how close

1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the Boogiey cousins have been Like Joker.

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:01.880
<v Speaker 2>It's only you say that I played with Boogie.

1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I played with Boogie, and they have a very similar

1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:06.360
<v Speaker 3>skill set because they have.

1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>The why the watch, the wide shoulders.

1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Now, Boogie wasn't the pastor like him, but as far

1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:16.880
<v Speaker 3>as Boogie would phil the double team spin off baits line,

1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Euro said, Bookie played to play the three. Yeah he

1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:26.840
<v Speaker 3>could un if he wanted to Broe Okay everything, Okay, yeah,

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 3>book Boogie was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. He was Bookie. But I think Boogie

1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:33.160
<v Speaker 2>is more athletic.

1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Boogie could run, yes, I mean, but it was not

1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>uncommon for Boogie to have fifty twenty games.

1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Had he not got injured, had he not achilles and

1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.200
<v Speaker 1>his a c L and all those injuries, he was special.

1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm give you this. I think the tough thing

1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.080
<v Speaker 2>with the markets and I played with bo That's one

1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:55.280
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite teammates ever. You know, it's Jack.

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Bookie is a guy that you see some of the

1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:01.480
<v Speaker 3>things he does on the court with his energy, some

1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.880
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff he said, honestly, he tell you himself

1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:05.840
<v Speaker 3>he'd a liked to rail some some of that stuff.

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Like off the court, the softest spoken puls do whatever yeah,

1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying he did. He ask the moments of bracords

1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.960
<v Speaker 3>when we heat it or getting into it. Absolutely, but

1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:18.120
<v Speaker 3>he's a good dude that I loved that dude. And

1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I will say, you know the thing with de Marcus,

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.440
<v Speaker 3>the difference between him and the European game what they

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:24.960
<v Speaker 3>teach here.

1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, when Bookie played his best, he.

1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Had to be angry, he had to be mad, and

1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:34.400
<v Speaker 3>and his emotion got him to that place. And Jokic

1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.400
<v Speaker 3>early in his career was quiet, calm.

1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:37.520
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't that.

1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna ever say he wasn't that good, but

1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:43.560
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't. He didn't have like Mike Malone put that

1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:47.560
<v Speaker 3>dog in him and for Boogie before he was able

1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:50.760
<v Speaker 3>to slow the game down mentally for himself. He ended

1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.400
<v Speaker 3>up earth injured, as folks said. And it was funny

1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:56.560
<v Speaker 3>that when you see guys get to the into the thirties,

1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.320
<v Speaker 3>get to the age, you know, Holla bird has an

1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:01.919
<v Speaker 3>old soul, he got an old game. Daddy very well

1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.760
<v Speaker 3>about playing the game, or whoever coached him coaching very well.

1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:09.040
<v Speaker 3>But I remember when I played with KG Chaid. I

1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you remember. KG would take shot out

1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:18.400
<v Speaker 3>KG the game, and I thought he was crazy. Everybody

1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.360
<v Speaker 3>thought he was crazy. And then we said, and I

1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.960
<v Speaker 3>remember going up to Ticket and I said, Ticket, I

1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:26.160
<v Speaker 3>remember asking him, and he insually put years of my career.

1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, are you pumped up every game? How are

1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you so tuned up every game? Because you know it's

1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a young guy. We play on the motion. He played

1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>on the motion definitely at a much higher level than

1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I did. And KG said, young and what you mean?

1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, I see you do this. You're in a

1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:41.400
<v Speaker 2>full sweat and yelling and all that.

1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.080
<v Speaker 3>He said, I'm as comments can be, he said, watching

1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:49.320
<v Speaker 3>me before the game, I'm taking breaths, I'm breathing, I'm calm,

1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:50.320
<v Speaker 3>he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at me.

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<v Speaker 3>During the timeouts, he said, are you watching me, young man?

1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I said, no, you turned out right, He said, I'm

1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:57.920
<v Speaker 3>sitting there breathing. I'm thinking about the game plan. I'm

1:03:57.960 --> 1:03:59.880
<v Speaker 3>thinking about the things that we need to go through

1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:03.480
<v Speaker 3>to get to So if Boogie had a got to

1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:04.920
<v Speaker 3>that point, if he had got that.

1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Veteran maturity, we would be bringing his name to these conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He just didn't get to that point.

1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:14.919
<v Speaker 3>But when you're young US American board players, we would

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<v Speaker 3>We play from a place.

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<v Speaker 2>Of pain and hurt and passion, and then you get

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<v Speaker 2>older and you learn how to refine it.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the guys never get to that point in

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<v Speaker 3>their careers where they can refine it and play.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the mental stability. But a guy like Yo Kich,

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<v Speaker 2>he was turned up. He has it.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows the game man, so it's it's fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Gordon has been phenomenal to these playoffs. He's averaging

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen points a game, seven rebounds a game, shooting fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent from the floor, and he has two game winners.

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<v Speaker 1>He had twenty two points last night and Yoke obviously

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<v Speaker 1>had that monster game fifteen to twenty nine. He would

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<v Speaker 1>at He had forty two points, twenty two rebounds, six assists,

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<v Speaker 1>of steal, two blocks, did have the five. He did

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<v Speaker 1>have the seven turnovers, but Murray got it going late

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<v Speaker 1>in the ball game had twenty one. Kristin Brown had

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<v Speaker 1>a level Russ the Russ experience. You know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get. You're gonna get all our effort. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get some turnovers, but you're gonna get some steals. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a block, You're gonna get some great finishing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get some air balls, You're gonna get some

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<v Speaker 1>big may threes. They needed all of that to offset

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<v Speaker 1>what they didn't get from Michael Porter Jr. He gave

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<v Speaker 1>two points on one of a shooting, and I understand

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<v Speaker 1>the shoulder, but bro, you got you can't give him two.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't give them too. Because the Thunder had twenty, They

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<v Speaker 1>had six guys in double figures. Shaye with thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Caruso had twenty. Off the bench. You have lou Dort

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<v Speaker 1>four of nine from three, he had fourteen, Isaiah Hartenstein

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<v Speaker 1>had twelve. Jaylen Williams had sixteen. He was five or twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>He hadn't shot the ball particularly well. Chad Hongren had twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was those two miss free throws you and

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell, you know, it normally happened like that. Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>You know a guy he you know, I smoked the

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<v Speaker 1>layup on one and they go that down on another

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<v Speaker 1>end and get a three.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, damn, that's a five points win.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Uncle, I love chat. So I don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>do this, but the key I don't want to do this,

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<v Speaker 5>but I'm gonna do it. The key to beating Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 5>City is attacking check.

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<v Speaker 2>So he got no.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna say he's the wing link. But he

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't put on the strength. He doesn't have the experience

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<v Speaker 3>in the playoffs. Yet he doesn't pay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a play before those miss Fritos and Gordon and

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<v Speaker 2>going running the wing. They hit him ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes face to face with Chad and he be

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<v Speaker 3>dump he monkey and and oh show you know when

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<v Speaker 3>you get leveled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so older. Now that chat you crazy. So

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<v Speaker 2>you you got knocked out by Ray Lorens, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>talk about you're gonna keep playing. You're gonna keep playing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you get dune and and now chick was

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<v Speaker 2>messed up since so for him.

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<v Speaker 3>You can be skinny. I was skinny, but I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to call himself. I think that's disrespectful

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<v Speaker 3>to a professional athlete. You gotta know how to hold

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<v Speaker 3>your ground, you got it. And that if Boyd's going

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<v Speaker 3>up for a dunk, you take that joke out the air.

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<v Speaker 2>You take that joke.

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<v Speaker 3>You know he might he might get an and want

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<v Speaker 3>but he ain't dunk yet. Okay, so he is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to make those plays.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you beat Oklahoma City, and why the Houston

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<v Speaker 1>Rockets has success against them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were physical and they attacked check.

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<v Speaker 3>If he was guard big Steve O underneath Steve O,

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<v Speaker 3>hit the boards, walk him underneath dot a rebound, if

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<v Speaker 3>he got a shingle, Shin Goong was right through his chest.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't even make moves on. He was right through

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<v Speaker 2>his chest. So what you're seeing with Oklahoma City in Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's Gordon, whether it's Yokish, they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Making it so you can't hide chet shed is an

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<v Speaker 3>unbelievable weak side shop like it. If you don't put

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<v Speaker 3>your hands on them, he can play in space. In football,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a team. Remember the Coasts.

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<v Speaker 2>The Coats had a small secondary, they had small linemen

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<v Speaker 2>up front.

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<v Speaker 3>If they got if you were down and they were

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<v Speaker 3>rushing you, you couldn't stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>Just friending the boys, you couldn't stop them. Able to Check.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you could have run the ball and manage

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<v Speaker 3>the game and and and attacked Mattison friendy of those guys,

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<v Speaker 3>you had a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they were small. Oklahoma City is small. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>something similar that you're seeing right there. So as I

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<v Speaker 2>looked for it. Denver found something that Chris Faffa playing

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<v Speaker 2>a Game seven and they had the experience.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said this before I said, whoever wins that

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<v Speaker 3>Clippers Nugget series might be coming out the West.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, the volume