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Speaker 1: gonna get right into it. Tonight, the Warriors beat the
Speaker 1: Wolves a large part without Steph. Steph left the game
Speaker 1: early in the second quarter with a hamstring injury. Did
Speaker 1: not return the Timberwolves tonight. Naz Reid. Nas Reid was
Speaker 1: three or seven from three. Everybody else was two of
Speaker 1: twenty two, and they did not get off to the
Speaker 1: the best start shooting the basketball. And as Chris Finch said,
Speaker 1: our transition decisions making what's diabolical, He said, the poor
Speaker 1: shooting effect their confidence and overall players starts with Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1: You could see the light go out and for a
Speaker 1: little while now he did get it going. In the
Speaker 1: second half, he had twenty three points fourteen rebounds. It
Speaker 1: just took him twenty two shots to get those twenty
Speaker 1: three points. And that's not nearly good enough because outside
Speaker 1: of ad Man, Julius Random was four of eleven, jayde
Speaker 1: and Daniels six to twelve, Rudy Gobert was four seven.
Speaker 2: Mike Conley got some great cardio in tonight.
Speaker 1: But Deevin chevso three of eleven, Mikil Walker, Alexander had
Speaker 1: Well had fourteen minutes, he got some great cardio in,
Speaker 1: and even Shannon Junior he got cardio and only got
Speaker 1: two minutes on the bike. Oho, but he got a
Speaker 1: little cardio in, So you only have to do eighteen
Speaker 1: minutes on the bike after the game because he did
Speaker 1: get two minutes of cardio.
Speaker 2: Ryan, I'm gonna start with you on this.
Speaker 1: You watched this game and you was like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: Warriors might be in trouble. Steph going out and looked
Speaker 1: like he had it going. Looked like he was headed
Speaker 1: toward the monster night. He had thirteen points in about
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes, so it looked like it was gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those nights. Draymond got off hit four of
Speaker 1: his five first threes. But you know what, I let
Speaker 1: Draymond have that. I just don't want Steph, Buddy, he'll
Speaker 1: get going. What did you like about what you saw
Speaker 1: from the Warriors tonight? Man, the first.
Speaker 3: Thing they could he could have pulled that hand string
Speaker 3: on Sunday last Sunday, he could have pulled that hand
Speaker 3: straight would be having a whole different conversation. Now, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's get that out there right now.
Speaker 2: First and foremost.
Speaker 3: But man, I don't think people understand and giving Golden
Speaker 3: State the credit. Defensively, they are sound, they're smart. Steve
Speaker 3: Kerr will get out there and switch defenses. I saw
Speaker 3: someuth I've never seen in this series against Houston, against
Speaker 3: our guys. He ran three two zone. He ran one
Speaker 3: three to one in the NBA. That's something you never see.
Speaker 3: To take away the elbows. And he doesn't mind switching.
Speaker 3: Sup gonna go play big, He'll go small and right now,
Speaker 3: one thing he's doing, he's Darren Rudy Gobert. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Jimmy Butler. I'm gonna put Raymond. We're
Speaker 3: not putting the die above six eight on you. And
Speaker 3: he's really challenging go bear to score the ball inside
Speaker 3: the paint. Now against shen Doon and Steven Adams, he
Speaker 3: went big. You saw a lot of Clinton Posts. You
Speaker 3: didn't see Quinton Post tonight. You saw you Sawkabon Looney,
Speaker 3: Andre Man. You know you saw both those guys in
Speaker 3: the lineup.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick.
Speaker 3: Make this very clear, they're not gonna win this series
Speaker 3: without Steph Perry. He's gonna have to get back depending
Speaker 3: how bad that hamstring is.
Speaker 2: And I've never seen step go down.
Speaker 3: And it's funny, man, we're talking about this the other
Speaker 3: day with Steph.
Speaker 2: If you watch him play, I don't know. He must win.
Speaker 3: Run three to four to five miles, everyone possession.
Speaker 2: He's running. So finally that hamstring, you know what went out.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Chad Wollt see in reality where Anthony Edwards struggles that
Speaker 3: bad offensively, they gotta find ways to get him going.
Speaker 3: And ultimately in game one and with a lot of
Speaker 3: Russ the positive when you play seven game series, you're fresh,
Speaker 3: you're ready, the juices are going.
Speaker 1: But I saw Russ from Minna. Oh, Joe, what did
Speaker 1: you think about what you saw? Because like you are,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't think ant man, he'll jump shot
Speaker 1: all night long. Everything that he got was going to
Speaker 1: the basket, or it was from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: He was terrible from the three point line. What was
Speaker 1: he from the three point line? Oh, he did make one.
Speaker 1: He was one of five from the three. He was
Speaker 1: four or five from the free throw line, nine or
Speaker 1: twenty two from the floor. Overall, he did have fourteen rebounds.
Speaker 1: But the thing that they didn't allow him to do.
Speaker 1: They made him incredibly inefficient, and they didn't let you
Speaker 1: look at his assists total two remember when he played
Speaker 1: in the Lakers eleven assists, eight nine assists. So not
Speaker 1: only is he getting his points, he's allowing everybody else
Speaker 1: to get involved. Tonight, Golden State did a great job
Speaker 1: of limiting him, making it hard for him to get anything.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get anything from the jump shot, the three
Speaker 2: point line.
Speaker 1: He got some driving baskets in the second half, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't nearly nearly enough. What did you look so Tember,
Speaker 1: what you like ant Man? What is it that you
Speaker 1: didn't see that you want to see in order for
Speaker 1: them to win this series?
Speaker 2: Moving forward?
Speaker 4: I mean actually going forward, the Wolves, the Wolves are
Speaker 4: gonna have to have and man has to be on
Speaker 4: he has to be on fire. He has to be
Speaker 4: the leader and go out there and not only facilitate,
Speaker 4: but take a game over. You know, it is only
Speaker 4: game one, and I honestly, honestly, from what I saw,
Speaker 4: I knew Steph was getting hot when he when he
Speaker 4: was playing, But when he went out and he tweaked
Speaker 4: that hamstring a little bit. I think, Okay, this is
Speaker 4: the perfect opportunity for the Wolves to get back in
Speaker 4: the game or at least make it a close game.
Speaker 4: And that's what I thought it would be, you know,
Speaker 4: towards end, I thought that we have opportunity to come back.
Speaker 4: But obviously Jimmy, Jimmy Butler and and Enjoymond Green kind
Speaker 4: of kind of led the way, you know, Buddy Hill
Speaker 4: helped as well and making sure that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: But but he got going in that second half.
Speaker 4: Yet, yeah, you got to go on the second It's
Speaker 4: only game one. It's only game one, so I'm expecting,
Speaker 4: you know, Anthony Everais and the rest of the rest
Speaker 4: of that crew collectively to have to have a better game,
Speaker 4: especially at Man gotta everything. Everybody gonna feed off his
Speaker 4: energy and how he plays, so everything starts with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. Minnesota's qored eleven points
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. The Warriors almost outscored them in
Speaker 1: the second quarter. The Warriors scored twenty six points in
Speaker 1: the second quarter. They had thirty one points at the half.
Speaker 1: Minnesota bed I don't know if I've ever seen a
Speaker 1: team beat this this poor in an entire quarter, twelve
Speaker 1: minute quarter, right, I don't know when the last time
Speaker 1: you see somebody score just eleven points in a quarter
Speaker 1: in today's game.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe when the game was physical. Hell, I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember game being seventy three, sixty eight, seventy to
Speaker 2: sixty five.
Speaker 1: But in today's game, when it's up and down, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen this anemic of a quarter
Speaker 1: from a team.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that you got to understand it.
Speaker 2: You must have missed our series.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: They defend and in Golden State more than anybody. They
Speaker 3: don't funnel you into a beg because the biggest dream law.
Speaker 3: They just square you off and they keep you in front.
Speaker 3: It's all school basketball, and they force a contest. Then
Speaker 3: you bring Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy can play both away,
Speaker 3: so they got size and they're switchable. And then you
Speaker 3: know Kurt will come in with guys off the bench,
Speaker 3: but very leaked because it's a different style and you're
Speaker 3: used to seeing it. And even when curries out there,
Speaker 3: HER's put on so much muscle, he's stronger. They're deep
Speaker 3: into their scattering port. If there's a weakness that you have,
Speaker 3: you can argue they may be the smartest team in
Speaker 3: the NBA defensively, so it's not a surprise. And on
Speaker 3: the other end, this is my challenge to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3: Now he's gonna shoot the ball better just by his
Speaker 3: guy getting abilities. When he learns how to truly play
Speaker 3: the game and manipulate defenses, he is gonna be He's
Speaker 3: gonna be unstoppable.
Speaker 2: And what do I mean by that?
Speaker 3: Luca Doncas can't jump over a from book, but he
Speaker 3: can manipulate defense. And you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: Luka Donca is gonna find a bad matchup, he gonna
Speaker 3: pull you into a pick and roll, use the angle
Speaker 3: and get it at man playing on all heart right now,
Speaker 3: it's all hearts. Well when he learns how to run
Speaker 3: the pick and roll, find the four matchup, see how
Speaker 3: they're playing him.
Speaker 2: You can't guard him, you know.
Speaker 3: So he's made strides and the game is gonna come
Speaker 3: so much more easier to him. But again that was
Speaker 3: Russ And like Chad saying, chatt is almost impossible, we're
Speaker 3: gonna expect him to go into the next game and
Speaker 3: play that bad and you're gonna have to see, you know,
Speaker 3: here's some problem, Chad.
Speaker 2: I don't know how y'all both y'all feel about this.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna have to ask Jimmy Butler to do
Speaker 3: a lot more than he's been doing. Jimmy Butler's been
Speaker 3: playing heavy minutes, but he's been saving himself.
Speaker 2: He had eleven rebounds to night.
Speaker 1: He had eight as sister tonight, as you mentioned, because he,
Speaker 1: first of all, Draymond is a point whatever you call him.
Speaker 1: He's a point, center, point forward, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call him, because he initiates a lot of their offense.
Speaker 1: That's not what Kerry Curry does. Curry spends his time
Speaker 1: being in perpetual motion, running from side to side, coming
Speaker 1: off picks, coming off pin downs, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: He's not really initiating their offense. That role goes to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green. So now with Curry being out,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna ask Jimmy to do a little bit
Speaker 1: more of the scoring. He can't be as much as
Speaker 1: a facilitator because he had Curry taking a lot of
Speaker 1: that scoring role. Now, if Curry's going to be out,
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask him to do more. He's more than
Speaker 1: capable of doing that because we saw him for a
Speaker 1: number of years in Miami do some of everything. Go
Speaker 1: get you fifty. If you need six fifteen, sixteen rebounds,
Speaker 1: go get you that. You need double digit assists, he
Speaker 1: can get you that. And so I agree with you, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to be He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be more of everything. He's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: that guy what we saw Lebron be for a lot
Speaker 1: of those years. Maybe lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, hell,
Speaker 1: maybe steal block shots because he has that ability. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting to see how the Wolves respond
Speaker 1: to this because.
Speaker 2: They had it fairly easy for the most part.
Speaker 1: Look, the Lakers would always choke it off and they
Speaker 1: you know, they would get some confidence going and the
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, at Man get hot. Everybody catch
Speaker 1: five shooting your three. It was five and twenty nine
Speaker 1: to night. Now they're not. They made the fifth most threes,
Speaker 1: but they're not. They weren't a great three point shooting
Speaker 1: team against the Lakers. They just got HoTT and spells
Speaker 1: and that was good enough to carry them over.
Speaker 2: At Man did what he did, But.
Speaker 1: You got Jane Daniels averaging twenty two to twenty three
Speaker 1: points a game. And you see the night he had twelve,
Speaker 1: You had Julius Randill giving you twenty two and six
Speaker 1: and five. He had eighteen tonight. So everybody played below
Speaker 1: their average against the Lakers. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that this effort tonight, they're gonna have to find something
Speaker 1: because I like what you said, Ryan. The Warriors are team.
Speaker 1: They don't beat themselves. They make you beat them. So
Speaker 1: if you think they're gonna make silly mistakes, oh Joe
Speaker 1: by threeing the ball over being caught out of position,
Speaker 1: you don't see them pointing to bro I thought you
Speaker 1: had that. I thought you was spold to show. I
Speaker 1: thought you was gonna hedge. I thought we was gonna
Speaker 1: switch this. You don't see them doing a lot of that.
Speaker 1: They know exactly what they're gonna do, according to what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, and if you beat them, you beat them.
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna make those silly ticket tag mistakes
Speaker 1: that you're like, damn, well, you know we made a
Speaker 1: lot of mistake like that. That's not what they do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing also, I want to touch on it.
Speaker 2: You say you say when you beat the Warriors. You
Speaker 2: gotta beat them. They're not going to beat themselves.
Speaker 4: And we talked about Anthony Edwards in that in that
Speaker 4: cast collectively having a better shooting game and and and
Speaker 4: shooting above above what their percentage is to even have
Speaker 4: a chance to win.
Speaker 2: But are we even worried a little.
Speaker 4: Bit about the about the Warriors, you know, with Curry's
Speaker 4: hamstring being out going into game too or do you
Speaker 4: think Jimmy Butler, Buddy Hill and Dre Monk.
Speaker 2: And hey Chad, I'm gonna tell you one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as as fatigued as he is and his age,
Speaker 3: he might.
Speaker 2: Be back game three or four.
Speaker 3: Now, the gold right now, if you're Golden State of
Speaker 3: ceed and you notice you stole that game, yes, so
Speaker 3: now you can rest. Yes, when Jimmy Butler went out
Speaker 3: against Houston, they were able to rest because they won.
Speaker 2: They won a game, and they were able to get
Speaker 2: him back.
Speaker 3: So if you're gold State, you're saying, if we can
Speaker 3: get him back by game three or four and not
Speaker 3: rush it because we sol a game, which means even
Speaker 3: we just need to get one at home, and now
Speaker 3: we still got a series. That's the biggest thing I
Speaker 3: want to touch on something. You said, Anthony Edwards wasn't
Speaker 3: threshured against the Lakers. They literally it was man one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he played one on one, but he pretty much zoned
Speaker 3: the week side because they don't have the ability to
Speaker 3: pressure the basketball. Golden State got up from pressure to
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. Okay, Gary Payton the second yeps a dog. Okay,
Speaker 3: he can dog Draymond and guard you. So they showed
Speaker 3: bodies and they're saying, thick it to somebody else.
Speaker 2: You know, nas Reed was wide open.
Speaker 3: Mc daniels was wide open for three because I can
Speaker 3: help him recovering.
Speaker 2: To those guys, they don't have.
Speaker 3: A n maw shooter if it's not Mike Pinley in
Speaker 3: that situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you look at Julius Randall oh for three,
Speaker 1: Jay McDaniels, oh for three, Mike Conley oh for two,
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards one for five, Dante Devenceienzo one for seven,
Speaker 1: Alexander Walker over two.
Speaker 2: So at that point in time.
Speaker 1: Golden State says, you know what, hey, guys, let's not
Speaker 1: chase them off the line. Let's leave him at the
Speaker 1: line because they ain't gonna be able to throw a
Speaker 1: notion anyway. So we running out of there, getting out
Speaker 1: of a position. And and this is what's surprised that
Speaker 1: a lot of people might not realize. To be a small,
Speaker 1: small team, go toen State is a great rebounding team.
Speaker 1: They out rebounded They out rebounded Minnesota by ten with
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert with Julius Randall, with Nas Reed with.
Speaker 2: Man with Jaydon McDaniels.
Speaker 1: Let that think it because if you look at them
Speaker 1: side by side, you're like, damn, Rudy Gobe looked like
Speaker 1: Delia Julius Randalls sixty nine, so I mean the tallest,
Speaker 1: the tallest player that they and then started lineup with
Speaker 1: probably Draymond and Jimmy Butler. At sixth seven, you got
Speaker 1: Steph Curry six two six three, maybe Buddy Hill. But
Speaker 1: they getta they get a they cause they get you
Speaker 1: out of position because you're scrambling trying to run guys
Speaker 1: up the three point line. They missed and they know
Speaker 1: what about to care and they get the ball. But no, Chad,
Speaker 1: the reason they don't give those rebounds, and we talked
Speaker 1: about it earlier. They stay on the body.
Speaker 3: It's hard to beat them off the bounce, and even
Speaker 3: when you beat them, they stay in the play.
Speaker 2: So now your body's on bodies.
Speaker 3: When I can get bodies on bodies and box you out,
Speaker 3: it's old school basketball.
Speaker 2: Steve approaching old school basketball.
Speaker 3: So that's why they they're so dominant on the glass.
Speaker 3: And then on the other end, here's my fear of Chad,
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you feel about this. Worry's
Speaker 3: running around. You gotta give attention. You gotta get two
Speaker 3: to the ball. That opens up Buddy Hill, that opens
Speaker 3: up the other guys, It opens up Jimmy.
Speaker 2: But even though.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler doesn't want to shoot, he got he got
Speaker 3: free space. That free face is gonna go away. And
Speaker 3: my key, this is my keyball forward. The Temple Wolves
Speaker 3: are excellent when they can turn you over. They're young,
Speaker 3: they're athletic, they play off energy. And Golden State is
Speaker 3: doing what Chad. They holding the back.
Speaker 2: Chad, you watch them, they hold the basketball.
Speaker 3: You're gonna see them shoot by design and normally in
Speaker 3: basketball chair, you don't want to see this. It's almost
Speaker 3: like a football y'all. Don't want to play that team
Speaker 3: that's gonna defend and just hold the ball. They hocking
Speaker 3: the ball the last that's those them say, they shooting
Speaker 3: the ball at five seconds, eight or five seconds every possession,
Speaker 3: so they pushed the game out in time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. They're they're the total opposite
Speaker 1: of Indiana. If you look at Indiana, they're looking to
Speaker 1: push them for eight or we get off the rim.
Speaker 1: But you look at it and fort dribbles, they got
Speaker 1: somebody if you're not careful, they got somebody laying the
Speaker 1: ball up in the basket. You look at Steve Curry, says,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry is day to day and we'll get an
Speaker 1: Mr Tomorrow. Obviously, he's crushed Buddy Hill game one, twenty
Speaker 1: four points, five may threes. He's hit fourteen to three
Speaker 1: in his previous two games, and he won them game
Speaker 1: seven because he caught fire and they didn't have an
Speaker 1: answer for it. And tonight the second half, when you
Speaker 1: saw Minnesota started to make a run, it was him
Speaker 1: boom boom boom in the third quarter, and when they
Speaker 1: cut it Ryn and Ojoe. You remember in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: I think they had got it down to eighth, he
Speaker 1: made a two pointer and then he came right back
Speaker 1: down and made a three and pushed it right back
Speaker 1: to thirteen, and they really never challenged after that.
Speaker 2: But Buddy is playing. I mean, look, he could always
Speaker 2: shoot the ball.
Speaker 1: If you look at him where he is now as
Speaker 1: far as three pointers, he's head of what Curry was
Speaker 1: at the same point in time in their careers.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying he's gonna catch Curry.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a better shooter, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: step came in and and and started this revolution or
Speaker 1: this evolution, whatever term you want to use. And so
Speaker 1: now guys are coming in and they're getting up more threes.
Speaker 1: And so now you, I mean, you might have when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, Ryan, you might have three
Speaker 1: guys that made ten guys made three thousand threes in
Speaker 1: a career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna give you this about Buddy, Hilda. And
Speaker 3: here's a childie, Chad.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you you. I don't know if you.
Speaker 3: Are this type of guy, Chad in your career. But
Speaker 3: Buddy Hill is not great at being the second and
Speaker 3: third option.
Speaker 2: He's a guy that has to get his touches. And
Speaker 2: see her made a genius.
Speaker 3: Playing because what he did in that game seven against Houston,
Speaker 3: he said, we need a third option and and it
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna be cominga.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. And Gepsky is a dog. I like him.
Speaker 3: Man, he got an old school solid player. But he said,
Speaker 3: Buddy Hill, play what fixed you best? And it paid off.
Speaker 3: Lad do you were you one of those guys? Could
Speaker 3: you be second?
Speaker 2: I know you know what I'm saying, matter of fact,
Speaker 2: but he.
Speaker 1: Boy could play second, but you had to get is
Speaker 1: like most number one receivers.
Speaker 2: Get him the ball early.
Speaker 1: Get you can't deal it, dally around with him and
Speaker 1: wait till the second quarter or the third quarter to
Speaker 1: try to beat to the ball. Give him a smoke,
Speaker 1: give him a quick out, give him a slant, Let
Speaker 1: him touch the ball.
Speaker 2: If you let him touch the ball early, you can
Speaker 2: have him lea.
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna lose him if you don't give it
Speaker 1: the ball to the late the second quarter, right before
Speaker 1: the half of the third.
Speaker 2: I'm not calling matter of fact. He needs his touches.
Speaker 2: And you can speak to that a guy like a
Speaker 2: small example.
Speaker 4: I can think about what I stood on the table
Speaker 4: when TiO had the opportunity to come to Cincinnati. I
Speaker 4: told Marvin, I told Mike Brown, I said, listen, we
Speaker 4: gotta get him we got to get him in here.
Speaker 4: I have no problem taking the back seat. I have
Speaker 4: no problem being number two, understanding the greatness that's getting
Speaker 4: ready to come, you know, into the receiver room. Now
Speaker 4: at that point, common God damn sense, this is one
Speaker 4: of the best of all time. I don't care how
Speaker 4: good I am right now in Cincinnati. I'm going to
Speaker 4: take a back seat. Geo, I'm taking the back seat.
Speaker 4: And I had no problem with it. So at some point, obviously, uh,
Speaker 4: just like you said that, Brakowski and Carson, they knew
Speaker 4: to give me my touches early and the office the
Speaker 4: offense ran really well.
Speaker 2: Hell but just that year we went four and twelve,
Speaker 2: so we still were. Sorry, but I'm over that both, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm still over that over.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: that year. Pacers still Game two in Cleveland. Only three
Speaker 1: teams have come back down seven in the last minute
Speaker 1: of a playoff game since nineteen ninety seven. The Thunder
Speaker 1: did it on May thirteen, twenty fourteen. The Pacers did
Speaker 1: it April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, which.
Speaker 2: Was seven days ago.
Speaker 1: The Pacers also did it May sixth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: which was up tonight. Oh, Joe bur We talked about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another six, another six guys in double figures. You got
Speaker 1: Siakam twelve, Nie Smith twenty three, turn them twenty three,
Speaker 1: them Hard thirteen, Halliburton nineteen, Matthren nineteen. You see, you
Speaker 1: don't know, you just know it's a committee. Now, you
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna be the lead, who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the president, who's gonna journ the meeting? But you know
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna and they did a nunbelieve job.
Speaker 1: I believe in a situation like this, Ryan, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Look, yeah, the other team has to
Speaker 1: make has to make a lot of mistakes. But in
Speaker 1: order for you to steal a game with fifty seconds
Speaker 1: left and you down by seven, you gotta make everything right.
Speaker 1: You gotta miss, you gotta miss a free throw and
Speaker 1: get a rebound and get a name one you I mean,
Speaker 1: you see you see Mathn They missed a free throw,
Speaker 1: he dunk it home. Okay, Now Halliburton make one. He
Speaker 1: missed the next one, he get it? Who will out four?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: Everything that could have gone wrong for the Calves, the
Speaker 1: calves throw them all night getting the ball in. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of times they could have got some violations,
Speaker 1: but and then I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: He just threw the ball right to them. Are them hard? Said,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, thank you very much, but they're in trouble.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think this series is over and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the most ethic collout because the team that won this
Speaker 1: many games to possibly get swept.
Speaker 2: I can see them getting swept. Ryan, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you see that.
Speaker 1: You got some glasses on, putting them blasts on so
Speaker 1: you can see if you can see what I see
Speaker 1: a chat chat.
Speaker 3: I called this before I seen it, And this is
Speaker 3: what's crazy. And the Pacers the most underrated team in
Speaker 3: the NBA right now.
Speaker 2: Their a team chid.
Speaker 3: Last year they went to the Eastern Front Frience Finals
Speaker 3: and everybody said it was for injuries. Listen, man Rick Carlow,
Speaker 3: nip Hard mcinal. They got some dogs over there. It's
Speaker 3: not the sexiest, Okay, they don't got the forty inch
Speaker 3: Burt mac during Is athletics, Jakams athletics.
Speaker 2: But other than that, they just are tough.
Speaker 3: Hard those players and the way that the NBA is
Speaker 3: played now that is shifting to It was a game
Speaker 3: of athletes, a bunch of three past shootings. Now it's
Speaker 3: a game of toughness and skill. Indiana has toughness and skill.
Speaker 3: They moved to basketball like you talked about in Halliburn. Hey, now,
Speaker 3: hold on, man, they need to put some respect on
Speaker 3: Halliburton's names overrated player at the NBA. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you something from schematically, there's only a handful of guys
Speaker 3: that can manipulate the game. Chris paul I played with Chris.
Speaker 3: Chris is one of those.
Speaker 2: Guys that can do it in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Now it's Lebron, it's Luka, Doncic and James hard when
Speaker 3: he's on his a game, sy rees Halliford could manipulate
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: What do I mean by that?
Speaker 3: He's the guy that can beat you with the past,
Speaker 3: and he can beat you with the shot. And when
Speaker 3: you take one way, he's gonna make the correct play.
Speaker 3: So were looking at the stat sheet. He got nineteen
Speaker 3: point four assist in the game winners, and he's got
Speaker 3: the clutch gan he finds away. It's not the prettiest game.
Speaker 3: It's not the prettiest.
Speaker 2: He the guy get it's the Kevin Martin.
Speaker 3: He got a little Kevin Martin around, but he's a
Speaker 3: dog and he finds the way. But Chad, Am I
Speaker 3: crazy to where I called this before that happened.
Speaker 2: I got in the.
Speaker 3: Record, I called it, Am I crazy to say that
Speaker 3: still is gonna outweigh the athletes and the size. And
Speaker 3: obviously give credit to cattle players. They chucked the game up,
Speaker 3: but they had injuries. They had guys messing down of
Speaker 3: the initial dropped forty eight pints in the game and
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if I'm donning the Mitchell,
Speaker 3: I say, I drove forty eight. That's all I can
Speaker 3: do to will my team to win. And we put
Speaker 3: win with sit It's a ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah for me, Ojoe, I thought the game could
Speaker 1: have been even closer. I mean, think about it. See
Speaker 1: I come had eight shots. He's one of you, he's
Speaker 1: your all star. Calim Burton had eleven shots. Think about
Speaker 1: how many of those shots came in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, what are y'all doing? I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: took more. Miles Turner had the most shots. He had seventeen.
Speaker 1: They don't had eighty five. They shot almost fifty two
Speaker 1: percent from the floor. If they take better care of
Speaker 1: the basketball, I mean, nim Hard had eight turnovers, so
Speaker 1: he had almost half of the turnovers. If they do
Speaker 1: a better job taking care of the basketball, I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure Cleveland get out to that lead.
Speaker 2: But Cleveland as the.
Speaker 1: Game got closed, I mean, they was up big, and
Speaker 1: every time, here come Indiana, Here come Indiana. They go
Speaker 1: up eighteen nineteen, Here come in there on to will
Speaker 1: it down to nine. They go back up by thirteen,
Speaker 1: they cut it back down to seven. I was like, okay, now,
Speaker 1: y'all miss around. Y'all, ay, you're playing with five because
Speaker 1: y'all letting them.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 1: They like, hey man, we're right here. We make a
Speaker 1: couple of plays, we get a couple of stops. You
Speaker 1: know you're getting down huddles. Hey, we make a stop
Speaker 1: right here. Oh yo, get the ball back to our office. Hey,
Speaker 1: who knows what can happen? And that's what happened. They
Speaker 1: messed around and let him get close a and you
Speaker 1: hit that three point shot. It's like, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: one point game. Oh and Halliburton got the rebound. Hey,
Speaker 1: he dribbled out. He got the matchup that he wanted.
Speaker 1: God would work. Hey, I ain't give you the three
Speaker 1: if you go to the basket and tied up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I give you that, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: But look like I said, Nie Smith had twenty three
Speaker 1: he played really well, four rebounds, three blocks, Miles Turner
Speaker 1: twenty three points, eight rebounds, five blocks, Tyre's Halliburton nineteen points,
Speaker 1: nine rebounds, the game winner, the ship, the series shift
Speaker 1: to ending on Friday. You're talking about a team that
Speaker 1: what what sixty four games and could possibly get swept.
Speaker 2: Have we ever had a team win so many games
Speaker 2: to get swept?
Speaker 1: Maybe that that ninety four SuperSonics team they got. They
Speaker 1: didn't get swept, but they got beat by the eighth
Speaker 1: seed of the Denver Nuggets. But to get swept, yeah,
Speaker 1: at sixty four wins.
Speaker 4: But I honestly listen, when you talk about them having
Speaker 4: sixty four wins, you got to remember, you gotta remember
Speaker 4: tonight they were they didn't have key contributors. There's Darius
Speaker 4: Garland's out, Everan moe le DeAndre Hunter's out, So those
Speaker 4: sixty four.
Speaker 2: They would have had that twenty point lead or they
Speaker 2: just went out once they got to leave. You state,
Speaker 2: they can't an injured. So they had a twenty point
Speaker 2: lead with those guys on the bench, right.
Speaker 3: So that's what that's why. But that's why Dinah in
Speaker 3: the half forty eight because he had to do more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I give him that. But see, what are
Speaker 1: we surprised that Donovan? We Donovan's had fifty seven of
Speaker 1: the playoff game. Him and Jamal Murray both had fifty
Speaker 1: of the playoff game. We don't think about how many
Speaker 1: times he scored thirty in a playoff game. I think
Speaker 1: five of his seven games with the Calves he's had
Speaker 1: at least thirty. We know he's a scoring machine. But
Speaker 1: as long as he got how.
Speaker 4: Many hold up he had, he will fit fifteen for thirty,
Speaker 4: fifteen for thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can live with the A. That's that's sufficient,
Speaker 2: that's fitting.
Speaker 1: Shoot, he didn't shoot the three ball well and he
Speaker 1: had nine assists. Yeah, so he did all he could do.
Speaker 1: But you can't turn the ball over in situations like that.
Speaker 1: You can't leave guys. You just can't make the mistakes
Speaker 1: in You got listen, you got to win that game.
Speaker 2: You can't play. I don't believe they can play any better.
Speaker 1: Run with the guys that they have missing, they can't
Speaker 1: play any better than what they played tonight and they
Speaker 1: don't have anything to show for that performance.
Speaker 3: Give and this was Indiana's mindset. Let me speak the
Speaker 3: son that you two can't speak to. Okay, y'all's first
Speaker 3: options all of flame. So let me speak to the
Speaker 3: role players. You can give energy, you can bring life.
Speaker 3: They they played like their backs were against the wall.
Speaker 3: But as things get tighter, you need your stars. Now,
Speaker 3: Donovan did his job, but Darius Garland is the other
Speaker 3: closer on that team. He's the guy you put the
Speaker 3: ball in his hands and he's the playmaker.
Speaker 2: Things get happen on the backside.
Speaker 3: So the role players, the heart was there, but as
Speaker 3: things got tighter, where were they gonna go with the basketball?
Speaker 3: And Donovan could do too much. So for Indiana they
Speaker 3: were patient. They just said, where's your offense going to
Speaker 3: keep coming from? So you know that energy, the excitement,
Speaker 3: you know, and when you have a bag go out
Speaker 3: and you saw this with Bolden State, you valghanize behind it.
Speaker 3: I think Steph Curry went out, you know, Draymond Green.
Speaker 3: But as for known as a now shoot the future
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. By the way, I think Draymond hit
Speaker 3: three or four straight three pointers in a row, so
Speaker 3: you saw the energy from the role players. But as
Speaker 3: a role player, when the game is getting tight, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at Chris Paul okay, I'm looking at Paul Pierce.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for those guys and they not on the floor.
Speaker 3: We're going protheros.
Speaker 2: We can only run so much offense. And it's funny.
Speaker 3: There's a saying it's not about the exisz and o's,
Speaker 3: it's about the Jimmys and Joels.
Speaker 2: You have to have players in those situations.
Speaker 3: So no disrespects to the guys on the floor for
Speaker 3: Keith Cleveland, but Donovan Minchell alone wasn't enough. And the
Speaker 3: thing is, you got a well oiled machine over there
Speaker 3: with the pacers, and they just let it get tighter,
Speaker 3: let it get tighter, and then they accept their moment.
Speaker 1: And because they're at home and the fans, you look
Speaker 1: when a game when you've had when you have a
Speaker 1: lead and all of a sudden it starts to dissipate.
Speaker 1: The fans can feel that too, because everything is ooh
Speaker 1: oh no, and all of a sudden, it feels like
Speaker 1: the basket had a lead on it. Max Scruce played
Speaker 1: unbelievable tonight, five to twelve from the three. He ended
Speaker 1: up taking out from outside the lane and flushed at home.
Speaker 1: He was hyped. I thought Tiger Rome played well. Meryl
Speaker 1: hit a couple of big threes. Allen had twenty two
Speaker 1: to twelve with three blocks. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, as that game, you look, you up twenty
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you look up and there
Speaker 1: it's like fifteen seconds and you only got a three
Speaker 1: point lead. You don't feel as good as you once
Speaker 1: d n. You don't feel as good as you once did.
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, we about to let this ish slip away.
Speaker 2: Check this out chair. When I when I played in.
Speaker 3: Dallas, so derv Jason Kidd, Jason Terry a Chain would
Speaker 3: have a lead on us and we would go on
Speaker 3: the road and we would live for these moments, almost
Speaker 3: inserting myself as a role player to these situations. Now
Speaker 3: we're gonna do this. But the one thing you would
Speaker 3: say is, oh, they getting tight. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 3: the words we were saying. We were saying they getting tired,
Speaker 3: and try to watch them get tight those arms the
Speaker 3: t ranks, arms come out and brush your mouth and
Speaker 3: you just looking for one crack. Heck, look, man, I'm
Speaker 3: a calling for what it is the reason I'm so
Speaker 3: passionate about giving them Lebron to respect I give him
Speaker 3: is because we had them down three one.
Speaker 2: Lebron was not Lebron at that point. He wasn't Peter James.
Speaker 2: He was cling p J but he wasn't King James yet.
Speaker 3: And what he did coming in the Boston with our
Speaker 3: team and our guys and we kept waiting for that
Speaker 3: moment for Lebron to shrink. We had waye figured out.
Speaker 3: With all due respect to Dwayne Wade, we had great
Speaker 3: Avery was doing the x glen job. We had him
Speaker 3: figured out, and Lebron took over in that game and
Speaker 3: he willed his team to victory on the Championships and
Speaker 3: the rest of the rest is history from there. But
Speaker 3: if you've been in a situation where you know you're saying,
Speaker 3: give us the ball back this game, give us.
Speaker 4: The ball back, you know, if if anything, especially a
Speaker 4: situation like that, where it's where it's a pressure situation
Speaker 4: and it gets tight, Uncle would be would be better
Speaker 4: suited to say that because he's been a bigger game
Speaker 4: he's been.
Speaker 1: We have one of the best, We had one of
Speaker 1: the best pressure pack quarterbacks in the NFL here Street.
Speaker 2: That's what he was known for.
Speaker 1: So we knew if the defense could get a stop,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. If we're down fourteen with five minutes
Speaker 1: to go and they had the ball, we gotta stop.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go down this score quickly. Defense, get us
Speaker 1: one more stop, get us off the field. We get
Speaker 1: that ball back. Oh, we're gonna get it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get a touchdown to beach it. We're gonna, we're gonna
Speaker 1: We're gonna find a way to beach it because I've
Speaker 1: been in that moment too many times and they know it. See,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is is that when you have somebody
Speaker 1: and and and they know it, they know.
Speaker 2: What you know.
Speaker 1: God, even when the Ladder had that twenty three point lead,
Speaker 1: I think it was a some new was on the
Speaker 1: sideline like, hey man, that's Brady over there. They know
Speaker 1: what's over there, and you still worried about.
Speaker 2: The man because you many this.
Speaker 3: What's it gonna take for Tyrese Halan Burton to get
Speaker 3: that respect because he just did it. To your honest,
Speaker 3: he didn't come out there, but he got like, what's
Speaker 3: it gonna take for how the burden? And this was
Speaker 3: league wide they chance and overrated the game. He addressed
Speaker 3: it in the press to overrate that. What's it gonna
Speaker 3: take for him? In your mind, Chad to get that respect?
Speaker 3: And is there anybody that you knew that was getting
Speaker 3: that over rated tag and what they do to get
Speaker 3: over it?
Speaker 4: You know, that's crazy. I think it might be. It
Speaker 4: might actually be where he's playing. And I really think
Speaker 4: it might be where he's playing, you know, And and
Speaker 4: and outside of that that that's it. And obviously he's
Speaker 4: a he's an All Star. And then the group of
Speaker 4: players that he's combined with when it comes to All
Speaker 4: Star his game isn't pretty, isn't pretty like everyone else's.
Speaker 1: It's it's I lu He don't play above the rim
Speaker 1: like y'all. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be what all the guys that I mentioned,
Speaker 1: James Hardenwood, like you said, James can go give you fifty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: could give you fifty A Luca, you know, Luke, you
Speaker 1: see Luca give your sixty twenty two double. Yeah, John
Speaker 1: can play elevator above the rim. So you look at
Speaker 1: the guys that's that plays the position. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many guys you're taking. I mean, you might take
Speaker 1: him over a John, But are you taking them over Steph?
Speaker 2: No, you're not taking them over Luca. Are you taking
Speaker 2: over Shape? I gotta hear that. Huh. You said you're
Speaker 2: taking them over Job, holl of Burden and Job. You
Speaker 2: said you're taking Alabama. No, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying of the guys that I mentioned, you're not
Speaker 1: taking them over Shape.
Speaker 2: You're not taking them over Luca. You're not taking them
Speaker 2: over Steph.
Speaker 1: So I'm not the only reason I would say you
Speaker 1: probably take him over Job is because of Job's injury history,
Speaker 1: because I can't Job if.
Speaker 3: You if you take injury history out, I can't look
Speaker 3: at that at the time.
Speaker 2: Similar teams, though, can you say that he got asked
Speaker 2: you know Memphis JA.
Speaker 3: He got triple j J where similar? Yeah, I know
Speaker 3: you can't take out injury history, right, be taking away
Speaker 3: the flashy play Chad. John has a flashy place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not. But are you taking Halliburton? Taking
Speaker 2: Haliburton on the job. Absolutely not. That's I like.
Speaker 4: Listen, I like I like I like Halliburton. I think
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why he got that underrated label
Speaker 4: is simply for one, with a team he plays on,
Speaker 4: and two, even though he's efficient and he gets the
Speaker 4: job done at a at a high level, it's just
Speaker 4: something about his game.
Speaker 2: It's not pretty, you know, it's not as pretty.
Speaker 4: It's not as esthetically as pleasing as everybody else is
Speaker 4: when you watch a job, when you watch James Hard
Speaker 4: or Steph Curry or Lucas, you know the guy, oh Joe.
Speaker 1: What you're saying, if all the guys that we mentioned
Speaker 1: can go get your fifty, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you don't think hallburg give you fifty? No?
Speaker 2: Has he ever? What's the points Halibert to scored in
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: Hey, he gets you forty, get you, get you forty,
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 2: You heard me. He can't get your quiet forty And
Speaker 2: it's gonna be other than too.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be. But think about Shade, look Out, look Out, Shade.
Speaker 1: How many times the Shave Shay had the most twenty thirty,
Speaker 1: forty fifty point games We've seen Luca.
Speaker 2: We've seen Luca drop seventy plus, so we know he
Speaker 2: could go get fifty.
Speaker 1: We think stepth do it. We've seen step do it
Speaker 1: in the game seven. We've seen step do it at
Speaker 1: thirty at thirty six, thirty seven years of age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the most points he's had. How many times he be
Speaker 1: scored forty in the game? He got three forty point games?
Speaker 1: Shae had what tim of those?
Speaker 3: This year's here's the thing to Chad, And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you know a quarterback like this or a
Speaker 3: wide receiver. He plays the right way, Chad, here's the
Speaker 3: reality when he has the ball.
Speaker 2: This is not a sexy play. First star point guard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ball aheaded floor, making the ball ahead of the floor.
Speaker 3: Jason Kidd was similar to that, he's a different bill,
Speaker 3: But you just say you might not get the assists,
Speaker 3: but it's the right play.
Speaker 2: Is gonna make the right play. And he just showed
Speaker 2: you tonight he's plucked. So and I feel like, oh.
Speaker 3: Certain, Lebron, just be honest. Lebron don't get a lot
Speaker 3: of the praise from the people. Obviously, he may not
Speaker 3: be a puppet Tea's not what he grew up seeing
Speaker 3: as as the adult. But Lebron will make the correct PLA.
Speaker 3: Burt's a guy who will always make the correct play.
Speaker 3: Obviously he sat the bench for Team USA. Obviously during
Speaker 3: the regular season they look pedestrian. They floodn't barred the seat.
Speaker 3: We's sitting in the Indianna patris U bismal in Mobile, Okay,
Speaker 3: but they're in the Eastern Conference. But he's gonna make
Speaker 3: the right play, Chad, are we faulting him for making
Speaker 3: the right players in anybody that you can think of,
Speaker 3: even on the NFL side, that makes the correct play
Speaker 3: and they don't get the respect.
Speaker 2: Because you know, we like somebody ball hog at the
Speaker 2: ball and the thing is Halliburny.
Speaker 1: He doesn't turned the ball over. How many times do
Speaker 1: we seen him have fifteen of sis in no turnovers?
Speaker 1: How many times do we seen him have double digital
Speaker 1: sists in one or few or two or fewer turnovers?
Speaker 1: So he I mean, as much as he handles the ball,
Speaker 1: he's very efficient at not turning it over. My point
Speaker 1: is I would like to see him be more aggressive.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you had leven shots and for the longest time
Speaker 1: you had six, and I'm like, bro, come on, Cole year, Bro,
Speaker 1: you got to do You've got to give them more.
Speaker 2: And then you see that fourth quarter, he gave them more.
Speaker 2: He gave them an opportunity. Guys may play.
Speaker 1: Mad Burn made some a nice Smith made some big
Speaker 1: threes that put back dunk that Matt Burn had, matth
Speaker 1: Burn had on that miss free throw. But I look,
Speaker 1: I got no problem with Halliburny not But I understand.
Speaker 1: We like Flash, we like Magic Johnson. Ain't nobody can
Speaker 1: think about it? How many people they got right now?
Speaker 1: John Stockton, he got more assists, His record is never
Speaker 1: gonna be broken. Ain't nobody Probably them got John stock
Speaker 1: the top five, a point guard, because everybody like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got Magic, I got Steph Curry, I got Isaaa Thomas.
Speaker 1: They got so many guys in front of him because
Speaker 1: he wasn't flashing. All he did was pick and roll
Speaker 1: your ass to death.
Speaker 4: And he was fundamentally sound. And another thing, I like
Speaker 4: Halley's game. And you look, okay, you say, well he
Speaker 4: sought the bench. Okay, I mean you go, who is
Speaker 4: he gonna play in front of you? Got a gold
Speaker 4: medal dough Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And you know, also you say about Holler Burton really
Speaker 4: not being aggressive, only having eleven shots you gotta think
Speaker 4: everybody else in double figures two, so he ain't really
Speaker 4: got to do much because everybody else collectively is also
Speaker 4: being efficient and scoring and contributed.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't.
Speaker 4: Even know how the hell they won that game. If
Speaker 4: you told me the score was, I think at one point,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: Away, I can't. It was one nineteen to one twelve.
Speaker 4: All right, No, I mean, what's the biggest, biggest deficit
Speaker 4: they were down.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they was down by like twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought the
Speaker 4: game was over. I thought I thought the game was
Speaker 4: over at that point.
Speaker 2: That's it. There's no way there come.
Speaker 4: There's no way they're coming back, you know, even with
Speaker 4: the injuries, even with you know, Hunter and Garland being out.
Speaker 2: They just did that to Milwaukee. Chair. They had a
Speaker 2: crazy game like that against when they ended Milo laid
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crazy chair, they got it. They're just
Speaker 3: saying now twenty points. You right though, Chair, But it's
Speaker 3: similar with Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right right now. Listen, I understand the game
Speaker 2: of basketball.
Speaker 4: It's a game of runs most of the time, especially
Speaker 4: when you when you make substitutes and and things changed
Speaker 4: once you know your your second level, your second tier
Speaker 4: guys coming the game. But twenty points, I'm thinking you're
Speaker 4: supposed to find a way to keep that lead. Used
Speaker 4: to be like, you already gave up one game. They
Speaker 4: already stole one game from you.
Speaker 2: You got to be like that. And then they come
Speaker 2: back and he allowed the one person, the one person
Speaker 2: that you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Shoot the ball smart the ball found. So but you
Speaker 1: know what, Ryan and you could attested this. It used
Speaker 1: to be like that when you got these big leads,
Speaker 1: for the most part, the game was over. But with
Speaker 1: that three point shot and there's so many guys that
Speaker 1: can shoot it, now you're really never out.
Speaker 2: Of a ball game.
Speaker 1: On Joe, we see team be down twenty five, twenty
Speaker 1: six points in the first half and lose a team
Speaker 1: that's down twenty six twenty points in the third quarter
Speaker 1: and lose a ball game.
Speaker 2: Because that three point shot is an equalizer.
Speaker 1: So if I hit a couple of those and you go,
Speaker 1: you have a couple of bad possessions, a twenty point lead,
Speaker 1: I make three threes and two layups. Guess what you back?
Speaker 1: That's nine plus four that's thirteen. I've cut the lead
Speaker 1: in three minutes down to seven. Hey, listen, we just
Speaker 1: saw we just saw a team. We didn't get to
Speaker 1: it yet.
Speaker 4: We just saw a team that Liz by the three
Speaker 4: died it too by not being able to hit it.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys the goal
Speaker 2: real quick for one. And I don't know how you
Speaker 2: feel about this.
Speaker 3: This generations, this decade, San Antonio Spurs is the Golden
Speaker 3: State Warriors, got State.
Speaker 2: Pewell adapt to who he plays with, he wins with
Speaker 2: who's on the floor.
Speaker 3: And y'all just talked about not choking away lead. They
Speaker 3: got the lead on the road, step courts in the back,
Speaker 3: iceing up. Yeah, they held the ball. That watched Golden State.
Speaker 3: Do y'all say, how did they hold them to sixteen points?
Speaker 3: And they said, they hold the ball and they shoot
Speaker 3: with eight to five seconds on the clots. Now, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give you some credit. Chafters Son, you gay Early,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you some credit. When you are, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get you some credit. You said he needs to score,
Speaker 3: Haliburton needs a score. I think you said the tude
Speaker 3: he needs a score to get that type of credit.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a guy who scored the ball
Speaker 3: and turned his I don't want to say turn his
Speaker 3: career rounds, but became a different player.
Speaker 2: Mike Malone challenged the Kola yo kitch to score. He
Speaker 2: was a right play type of guy. And when he
Speaker 2: was challenged, go.
Speaker 3: Get Rudy Gobert a fifty ball, a forty ball or
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. That changed the polar Yokic. But
Speaker 3: Yokic was similar to Holla Burten in the sense that
Speaker 3: he was just gonna make the right make the right ray,
Speaker 3: make the right place so he could be a guy.
Speaker 3: And I hear you, y'all right, it is saying that
Speaker 3: for you to get that attention, for you to speak
Speaker 3: of you with the jaw and the staff and the
Speaker 3: you know, the tatums and everybody, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: go give us that consistent.
Speaker 2: Forty ball, that fifty ball when that game is on
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 3: So you're right, because Jokic Yokic, I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 3: when he got aggressive, and that was always my thing
Speaker 3: with him, didn't feel like he could score enough. Because
Speaker 3: when we game plan for Yokic, you come out and
Speaker 3: say you can't give them both.
Speaker 2: Either you make him a passer, we blint him hands,
Speaker 2: or you make him a score. Yeah, or you make
Speaker 2: him a score. You can't let him. You can't let him.
Speaker 1: You can't let him be thirty twenty and fifteen. Because
Speaker 1: so he got thirty points and he dissed, got fifteen assists.
Speaker 1: You know about five or about five to seven of
Speaker 1: those gonna be three pointerers. So now you're at his mercy.
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon hit a game winning three against the Thunder.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion about this today. Ryan,
Speaker 1: do you think that the Thunder strategy of filing up
Speaker 1: three with Jokic on the bench, that's what I didn't get.
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic Game one, forty two points.
Speaker 1: He had twenty six in the second half, twenty two rebounds,
Speaker 1: six assists, two blocks.
Speaker 2: He became only the fourth player in NBA.
Speaker 1: History to have Now he's the fifth, well the fourth
Speaker 1: player because Will did it twice forty twenty and five.
Speaker 1: Will did it twice, Shaq did it, Yannis did it.
Speaker 1: Now Nicola Jokic has done it. Do you like the strategy?
Speaker 1: I get the premise, but why would you file the backcourt.
Speaker 1: Why would you think the back court right, it.
Speaker 3: Was fully because you allow Yo used to get back in.
Speaker 3: It's another play that happened that I don't think we
Speaker 3: talked enough about. Shay Yios out of Grand and fuck
Speaker 3: to the basket. He's wide open, he dunks the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can get those two roubles the.
Speaker 2: High ball.
Speaker 3: They're not talking about that enough with Shaye check Holme Rent.
Speaker 3: This is two free tho. Okay, here's the reality. And
Speaker 3: we just saw this with Golden State. The teams that
Speaker 3: got pressed, the teams that played Game sevens, that Chad,
Speaker 3: they came in sharp when you get battle chest and
Speaker 3: you came in shark.
Speaker 2: Okay see, they had a cakewalk. They walked. The Memphis
Speaker 2: met just shut it down, especially when John went down.
Speaker 2: They weren't shouted.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna expect Oklahoma City's gonna play better. Dagnall
Speaker 3: definitely made some mistakes. And it's tough because I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about it, but Rockets didn't have the
Speaker 3: experience and you're looking at okay see and then was
Speaker 3: an experienced loss and you can check. I don't want
Speaker 3: to say anything bad because Mark has been unbelievable to
Speaker 3: see this season series about him this season, but you
Speaker 3: do have the challenge and and say, man, yeah you
Speaker 3: could have played that different. And they and we're gonna
Speaker 3: see everything we need to know about them boys in
Speaker 3: game two.
Speaker 1: Yeah you look at I mean, the thing is and
Speaker 1: they had two big guys and you'll with to work
Speaker 1: on them. Both of them had at least five files. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: you can't stop it. You just hope you hope you
Speaker 1: can make I say, Harden's started in check SE's and
Speaker 1: guard bro.
Speaker 2: We're gonna call him the dog. Listen, I'm a skinny
Speaker 2: boy too. Okay, that's a bard Bro. He's tall, but
Speaker 2: he is guard. He too small to be down there
Speaker 2: in the block and the paint. Anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, he need to go to He need to
Speaker 1: go to some fast food restaurant and get him a
Speaker 1: couple of burgers and some pries and a shake. Uh.
Speaker 2: You look at Jokic.
Speaker 1: He's second in points first and rebounds first and assists
Speaker 1: first and steals what's stop?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: He's look, I mean, what do you say what? And
Speaker 1: I said this before, I believe she should win the MVP.
Speaker 1: But if you say you get one player in the
Speaker 1: NBA I'm taking Nikola Jokic. I'm taking him over Giannis.
Speaker 1: I'm taking him over Luca, I'm taking him over Shade.
Speaker 1: I'm taking him over anybody because there's nothing that he
Speaker 1: can't do. If you need a score, he can go
Speaker 1: get you. He averages thirty. You need somebody to rebound,
Speaker 1: he was thirty rebounding. You need somebody to a facilitate assist.
Speaker 1: He's second and third of assists.
Speaker 2: What can he do that?
Speaker 1: All these other guys can do nothing, and he's efficient.
Speaker 1: Don't look at his shooting percent don't look at his
Speaker 1: shooting percentage. He can shoot the three, he got the
Speaker 1: mid range. I don't know if I've ever seen a
Speaker 1: big guy with I've not seen a guy forget big, medium, small,
Speaker 1: with that kind of touch around the basket.
Speaker 2: I mean the way with either hand. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: what do we what do we watch it? What are
Speaker 2: we playing here? I mean, if you would try to
Speaker 2: try to discredit him, well, he don't play no defense.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Can I guarantee you the guy that he playing, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you he ain't putting up those numbers. So unless
Speaker 1: he put the number and cancel it out on you.
Speaker 4: I don't talk to me about no defense, right, Damn Dad,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna chat.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you both sides to this. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get I'm gonna give you both sides. Let's play Devil's
Speaker 3: advocates in a moment. Okay, if he gets another championship,
Speaker 3: which is very realistic, if he gets another championship, as
Speaker 3: stick as the NBA is right, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 3: he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be knocking on that dolt conversation and we just wanna say,
Speaker 2: whad go, wait, go there? What position at at center?
Speaker 2: At center the greatest of all time?
Speaker 3: You can argue with his numbers and his impact on
Speaker 3: the game, he may be the greatest center that we've
Speaker 3: ever seen play the game, Chad, because he doesn't like
Speaker 3: you don't like the way you talk about you don't
Speaker 3: like the way he does.
Speaker 2: You're not used to a guy who cys up over
Speaker 2: folk book. You're not used to that guy.
Speaker 3: But if you look at his impact, you look at
Speaker 3: his numbers, you can argue he's the greatest city that
Speaker 3: we've ever seen right now. Now, his story is yet
Speaker 3: to be told, and in this generation, the way he
Speaker 3: manipulates the game.
Speaker 2: Forgive me.
Speaker 3: I talk about the Lufah and Lebron, and he impacts
Speaker 3: the game like they do. He's the point child, he's
Speaker 3: the point guard. He is in every way the point guard,
Speaker 3: the influence on his game. Now, I talk back when
Speaker 3: they say he had to play with an All Star,
Speaker 3: because he earned Jamal Murray into an All Star at
Speaker 3: the end of the day. And I want to challenge
Speaker 3: because if he gets a championship, he knocking on the door,
Speaker 3: and if he gets another person who gets bold enough
Speaker 3: to say I want to go to Denver and play
Speaker 3: with him, it's a different conversation.
Speaker 2: Now here's the devil's advocate side of it. He's doing
Speaker 2: that in this era.
Speaker 3: If he did that in my era and before he
Speaker 3: played with two bigs, we had four power forwards on
Speaker 3: the floor on the roster. We have three to four
Speaker 3: centers on roster. You didn't have the same type of spacing.
Speaker 3: We would have been physical with him. He would have
Speaker 3: been back putting into help. They wouldn't have had the
Speaker 3: three point shooting of the pace which helps him out.
Speaker 3: Guys can lean on him. I don't think he would
Speaker 3: have been that effective. You don't think it was a
Speaker 3: game of power and not necessarily for Nett. Now he's
Speaker 3: the closest thing we have to our beatis of bonus.
Speaker 3: But I can argue and understand both ways. But from
Speaker 3: a numbers standpoint, right, or when we argue for Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan Wright, you argue that Michael dominated his right. The
Speaker 3: closest thing is Joel embiid did Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert
Speaker 3: was a three fourth time defense. He drops fifty balls.
Speaker 2: Freak go bear. Now Rudy say, I got it. They
Speaker 2: putting the pig and Rudy said, I got it. He said, brother,
Speaker 2: I got forty seven. What you got? You talk about
Speaker 2: you gotta being out of Oh Joe dv.
Speaker 1: I got he I don't know help. I got it, bro,
Speaker 1: I got ten four bucks, seventy five and two tones.
Speaker 1: What you talk about you got me? You gotta get
Speaker 1: some help over here. Here's the thing, and this is
Speaker 1: very very likely. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3: O Joe.
Speaker 1: He gets two more regular season MVPs. So now he
Speaker 1: get two more. That makes it five. As Ryan says,
Speaker 1: he gets another finals MVP in the regular season two
Speaker 1: finals with the numbers that he's putting up. Now, he
Speaker 1: just became the first time of the average triple double.
Speaker 1: Let us see kid now, yeah, but hold off eight,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, y'all, slow down a little bit now,
Speaker 1: let's let's think of let's think about this a little
Speaker 1: bit now, Ryan, and you.
Speaker 4: Say he does get another ring. Let's say he does
Speaker 4: with another two m vps. Are we sure we'll talk
Speaker 4: about him being the best big man in the center
Speaker 4: of all time, even with the centers that we've had,
Speaker 4: even the greatest now the Kareem, the Will, the shacks
Speaker 4: that come.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to compare errors this, you know, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to compare errors. But you have to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kareem dominated the seventies. Uh, Moses Malone dominated the eighties.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if who was the big I mean
Speaker 1: Shaq for Elijahwan or Robinson in the nineties. But will
Speaker 1: Well Will dominated, Will dominated the sixties him here russells
Speaker 1: if So it's hard, but it's hard for us to
Speaker 1: put the goat, say, a center is the goat for
Speaker 1: the civil fact is he needs a guard to get
Speaker 1: him the ball. So that's why we kind of we
Speaker 1: don't give Kareem here. Kareem is the only guy that
Speaker 1: don't get credit for what he's done. He got sick,
Speaker 1: he got regular season MVPs. He had the most unstoppable shot.
Speaker 1: You can talk about Kobe's fade away, you gonna have
Speaker 1: dirt one leg step back here, and KD. You can
Speaker 1: talk about Cole, Kobe Midi, but the most unstoppable shot
Speaker 1: in basketball history was won Kareem abdul Jabar the skyhook.
Speaker 1: Now he won six MVPs. Now think about what was
Speaker 1: amazing Back then? The players voted on the MVP. The
Speaker 1: players determined who was the MVP. Yeah you didn't know that,
Speaker 1: did you ride, Yes, the players voted for the MVP.
Speaker 2: Caud, you really got it when you had a respect
Speaker 2: to your peers, you really got that. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: that boy.
Speaker 1: He wonted think about it. Magic Magic's rookie year, Kareem
Speaker 1: was MVP. So how is that possible?
Speaker 2: The MVP.
Speaker 1: And you win the finals, you win the championship. Magic's
Speaker 1: rookie year, Magic is finals MVP. Kareems regularly the MVP.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Had Kareem not got hurt, Kareem would have been the
Speaker 2: finals MVP. Kareem was averaging thirty three and twelve. Go
Speaker 2: look it up.
Speaker 1: He was giving work to Carwell Jones and Darryl Dawkins
Speaker 1: and they had no answer for but Korean ended up.
Speaker 2: Go look it up.
Speaker 1: See I'm old enough to remember that on chore people
Speaker 1: trying to try to try to run run game when
Speaker 1: you try to put the wool over which can't pull
Speaker 1: on up. Because I'm old enough to remember, because I
Speaker 1: had to watch the game the next day because back
Speaker 1: then the game was take delayed on Joe.
Speaker 2: You couldn't watch it live.
Speaker 1: So the game come on one dat Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Watch it like that.
Speaker 1: You already know who was the game. I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: it anyway. Maybe something happened and didn't they didn't tell
Speaker 1: me about it.
Speaker 3: And forgive everyone as we had this conversation, shout out
Speaker 3: to that let because we know them. This us, We're
Speaker 3: doing this for the simple fact that's sports.
Speaker 2: The debate.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's fancy me and Karine was absolute good
Speaker 3: nothing darting, but he didn't put karm and pick her
Speaker 3: roll and he sure he sure is dark Karen, there's
Speaker 3: no question, but he'd have moved he hadn't got assist,
Speaker 3: you know, and Paramas Karema was an athlete. You know,
Speaker 3: when we look at it, Giannis, if you said, Karine,
Speaker 3: bring the ball up the floor and go through the
Speaker 3: letl done that he was that. Still, if we're looking
Speaker 3: at Bill Russell, I think the eras are so far away.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to spect the game and try
Speaker 3: to compare it. But in terms of Shaq, this is
Speaker 3: what we can give this a shack Davis.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Shaq would have been physical, right,
Speaker 2: but Shaq wouldn't have guarded him.
Speaker 3: Robert Horry would have guarded Yokic, and Yokic would have
Speaker 3: wore we love big shot hold on a shout.
Speaker 2: Legend would have had to hold his ground, but Rob.
Speaker 3: Would have had to chase him and he'd have got
Speaker 3: his numbers, and Shaq maybe maybe would have had to
Speaker 3: slide over late. And here's the reality our vitas and
Speaker 3: bonus with department in trouble.
Speaker 2: He listen, he.
Speaker 3: Wore the Lakers out. He wore the Lakers. So if
Speaker 3: that's the indicator of him, and no disrespect to the
Speaker 3: big fella, no, none at all. I loved Shaq shackles
Speaker 3: On the wall. You know what, question theire He would
Speaker 3: have wore that team out. Now, he couldn't guard Shack.
Speaker 3: But you look at the numbers, you look at the impact,
Speaker 3: and he looked at what he did. Shock is the
Speaker 3: most dominant. We don't take that away. But as far
Speaker 3: as the impact, that what he would have had. He's
Speaker 3: a younger r Vetas now Vetus is more athletic. He
Speaker 3: was a couple exes taller.
Speaker 2: Beating seven three. People don't realize how tall he was.
Speaker 2: He was seven three.
Speaker 1: But by the time he got to the Lakers, he
Speaker 1: had spent much of his time with the Unified team,
Speaker 1: and so by the time he got to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: his needs were bad. He wasn't that or Veta. Could
Speaker 1: he passed the ball? Yeah, proud to Yoki. He was
Speaker 1: the best passing big man that we had ever seen.
Speaker 1: But by the time he got here, he had spent
Speaker 1: damn near over a decade just played with the Unified team.
Speaker 1: So his knee, his body had started to break break
Speaker 1: down on him. Ojo, but he was he was a
Speaker 1: tremendous passer. Now he couldn't score the ball like Yoke.
Speaker 1: He could not score the ball like yo But he
Speaker 1: could pass the ball like Yoke. He'd have the ball
Speaker 1: out here and the next thing you know, the guy
Speaker 1: coming and he would dump it down to him. He
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal player. But the thing that separate rates
Speaker 1: Yoke is that from any other big the center is
Speaker 1: that he could do it from three levels. Most of
Speaker 1: the guys Elijah one had the mid range. He had
Speaker 1: played back to the basket. He could play around the rim.
Speaker 1: Shot was around the rim. Okay, Kareem could throw the skyhook,
Speaker 1: but we've never seen a guy that could shoot the three.
Speaker 1: He had the mid range, and he can put the
Speaker 1: ball on the floor and finish at the rim, not
Speaker 1: not above the rim, at the rim.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen a guy.
Speaker 1: We've never seen a big guy that could do that,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we'll ever see one that
Speaker 1: can do that that is stilled as he is right now.
Speaker 2: Chad, I want to give you this. And when you
Speaker 2: see Yo kicch you know you see him in person.
Speaker 3: He's about six sixth the lap of the seventh feet
Speaker 3: for these waters, he's seven what about six to eleven
Speaker 3: and seventeen. He's huge, He's and his shoulders are wide.
Speaker 3: So he finds off you. When he makes a move
Speaker 3: his shoulder he is huge, Yeah, he's huge, bro, and
Speaker 3: his arms are lost so he can't junk high. But
Speaker 3: when he put him the ball above his head, when
Speaker 3: he's making a move, he's effective. And if you watch him,
Speaker 3: he's a lot stronger. He plays a finesse game, but
Speaker 3: he's so much stronger than he gets spreaded for. That's
Speaker 3: a strong boy right there. So when he's hitting the dolls,
Speaker 3: he's not overpowering him. He's an unbelievable coordination and he's
Speaker 3: just backing you on the rams and he's looking out
Speaker 3: and he's watching you.
Speaker 2: You know, the wildest thing he'll do, he'll watch the help.
Speaker 3: You get a great player who can pass, he'll sit
Speaker 3: there and he'll watch the help and as soon as
Speaker 3: you pop, he's throwing that neck.
Speaker 2: Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon. He's making those type of plays.
Speaker 3: So I think even from a physical standpoint, he's just
Speaker 3: uniquely built with his with his coordination and size.
Speaker 2: And then you think how long, how much he plays,
Speaker 2: and no, he's not a great defender. He's a wallup defender.
Speaker 3: He's played more at the level in picking rolls this
Speaker 3: year under Mike Malone that I've seen him play and
Speaker 3: he will do it first, but it's not something you
Speaker 3: want to rely upon.
Speaker 4: Wait, I ain't know even that guy, damn tong because
Speaker 4: if you look at this work, you look at his
Speaker 4: footwork when he's in the post. Hell, but even when
Speaker 4: he's out and goddamn space and he put the ball
Speaker 4: on the floor, Like, what the hell he?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he about six five six seven, he at
Speaker 2: least six to eleven.
Speaker 4: But you see his package though, to be that big,
Speaker 4: you see his footwork, to be that big, moving like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what soccer? He loves soccer. You look at guys,
Speaker 1: look at Luca love soccer. Okay, okay, look at the
Speaker 1: lines you want. Grew up playing soccer. That's why he
Speaker 1: had the footwork that he had. That's why he doing
Speaker 1: all this up and under drops depth. He's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I got gonna saw you Ryan, now I
Speaker 2: know joking, Jo Joker? Is that that boy? I have
Speaker 2: a question, now, y'all chat, don't don't jump on me.
Speaker 2: I'm asking a question.
Speaker 4: If Boogie, if Boogie cousins hadn't got hurt, how close
Speaker 4: the Boogiey cousins have been Like Joker.
Speaker 2: It's only you say that I played with Boogie.
Speaker 3: I played with Boogie, and they have a very similar
Speaker 3: skill set because they have.
Speaker 2: The why the watch, the wide shoulders.
Speaker 3: Now, Boogie wasn't the pastor like him, but as far
Speaker 3: as Boogie would phil the double team spin off baits line,
Speaker 3: Euro said, Bookie played to play the three. Yeah he
Speaker 3: could un if he wanted to Broe Okay everything, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: book Boogie was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was Bookie. But I think Boogie
Speaker 2: is more athletic.
Speaker 1: Boogie could run, yes, I mean, but it was not
Speaker 1: uncommon for Boogie to have fifty twenty games.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Had he not got injured, had he not achilles and
Speaker 1: his a c L and all those injuries, he was special.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm give you this. I think the tough thing
Speaker 2: with the markets and I played with bo That's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite teammates ever. You know, it's Jack.
Speaker 3: Bookie is a guy that you see some of the
Speaker 3: things he does on the court with his energy, some
Speaker 3: of the stuff he said, honestly, he tell you himself
Speaker 3: he'd a liked to rail some some of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Like off the court, the softest spoken puls do whatever yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm saying he did. He ask the moments of bracords
Speaker 3: when we heat it or getting into it. Absolutely, but
Speaker 3: he's a good dude that I loved that dude. And
Speaker 3: I will say, you know the thing with de Marcus,
Speaker 3: the difference between him and the European game what they
Speaker 3: teach here.
Speaker 2: You know, when Bookie played his best, he.
Speaker 3: Had to be angry, he had to be mad, and
Speaker 3: and his emotion got him to that place. And Jokic
Speaker 3: early in his career was quiet, calm.
Speaker 2: He wasn't that.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ever say he wasn't that good, but
Speaker 3: he wasn't. He didn't have like Mike Malone put that
Speaker 3: dog in him and for Boogie before he was able
Speaker 3: to slow the game down mentally for himself. He ended
Speaker 3: up earth injured, as folks said. And it was funny
Speaker 3: that when you see guys get to the into the thirties,
Speaker 3: get to the age, you know, Holla bird has an
Speaker 3: old soul, he got an old game. Daddy very well
Speaker 3: about playing the game, or whoever coached him coaching very well.
Speaker 3: But I remember when I played with KG Chaid. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember. KG would take shot out
Speaker 3: KG the game, and I thought he was crazy. Everybody
Speaker 3: thought he was crazy. And then we said, and I
Speaker 3: remember going up to Ticket and I said, Ticket, I
Speaker 3: remember asking him, and he insually put years of my career.
Speaker 2: I said, are you pumped up every game? How are
Speaker 2: you so tuned up every game? Because you know it's
Speaker 2: a young guy. We play on the motion. He played
Speaker 2: on the motion definitely at a much higher level than
Speaker 2: I did. And KG said, young and what you mean?
Speaker 2: I said, I see you do this. You're in a
Speaker 2: full sweat and yelling and all that.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm as comments can be, he said, watching
Speaker 3: me before the game, I'm taking breaths, I'm breathing, I'm calm,
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 2: Look at me.
Speaker 3: During the timeouts, he said, are you watching me, young man?
Speaker 3: I said, no, you turned out right, He said, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there breathing. I'm thinking about the game plan. I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about the things that we need to go through
Speaker 3: to get to So if Boogie had a got to
Speaker 3: that point, if he had got that.
Speaker 2: Veteran maturity, we would be bringing his name to these conversations.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He just didn't get to that point.
Speaker 3: But when you're young US American board players, we would
Speaker 3: We play from a place.
Speaker 2: Of pain and hurt and passion, and then you get
Speaker 2: older and you learn how to refine it.
Speaker 3: Some of the guys never get to that point in
Speaker 3: their careers where they can refine it and play.
Speaker 2: Off the mental stability. But a guy like Yo Kich,
Speaker 2: he was turned up. He has it.
Speaker 1: He knows the game man, so it's it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon has been phenomenal to these playoffs. He's averaging
Speaker 1: nineteen points a game, seven rebounds a game, shooting fifty
Speaker 1: one percent from the floor, and he has two game winners.
Speaker 1: He had twenty two points last night and Yoke obviously
Speaker 1: had that monster game fifteen to twenty nine. He would
Speaker 1: at He had forty two points, twenty two rebounds, six assists,
Speaker 1: of steal, two blocks, did have the five. He did
Speaker 1: have the seven turnovers, but Murray got it going late
Speaker 1: in the ball game had twenty one. Kristin Brown had
Speaker 1: a level Russ the Russ experience. You know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. You're gonna get all our effort. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get some turnovers, but you're gonna get some steals. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a block, You're gonna get some great finishing,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some air balls, You're gonna get some
Speaker 1: big may threes. They needed all of that to offset
Speaker 1: what they didn't get from Michael Porter Jr. He gave
Speaker 1: two points on one of a shooting, and I understand
Speaker 1: the shoulder, but bro, you got you can't give him two.
Speaker 1: Can't give them too. Because the Thunder had twenty, They
Speaker 1: had six guys in double figures. Shaye with thirty three,
Speaker 1: Caruso had twenty. Off the bench. You have lou Dort
Speaker 1: four of nine from three, he had fourteen, Isaiah Hartenstein
Speaker 1: had twelve. Jaylen Williams had sixteen. He was five or twenty.
Speaker 1: He hadn't shot the ball particularly well. Chad Hongren had twelve.
Speaker 1: But it was those two miss free throws you and
Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, it normally happened like that. Ryan.
Speaker 1: You know a guy he you know, I smoked the
Speaker 1: layup on one and they go that down on another
Speaker 1: end and get a three.
Speaker 2: You're like, damn, that's a five points win.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Uncle, I love chat. So I don't want to
Speaker 5: do this, but the key I don't want to do this,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna do it. The key to beating Oklahoma
Speaker 5: City is attacking check.
Speaker 2: So he got no.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he's the wing link. But he
Speaker 3: hasn't put on the strength. He doesn't have the experience
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Yet he doesn't pay.
Speaker 2: There's a play before those miss Fritos and Gordon and
Speaker 2: going running the wing. They hit him ahead.
Speaker 3: He goes face to face with Chad and he be
Speaker 3: dump he monkey and and oh show you know when
Speaker 3: you get leveled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so older. Now that chat you crazy. So
Speaker 2: you you got knocked out by Ray Lorens, you gotta
Speaker 2: talk about you're gonna keep playing. You're gonna keep playing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but when you get dune and and now chick was
Speaker 2: messed up since so for him.
Speaker 3: You can be skinny. I was skinny, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to call himself. I think that's disrespectful
Speaker 3: to a professional athlete. You gotta know how to hold
Speaker 3: your ground, you got it. And that if Boyd's going
Speaker 3: up for a dunk, you take that joke out the air.
Speaker 2: You take that joke.
Speaker 3: You know he might he might get an and want
Speaker 3: but he ain't dunk yet. Okay, so he is gonna
Speaker 3: have to make those plays.
Speaker 1: But when you beat Oklahoma City, and why the Houston
Speaker 1: Rockets has success against them.
Speaker 2: They were physical and they attacked check.
Speaker 3: If he was guard big Steve O underneath Steve O,
Speaker 3: hit the boards, walk him underneath dot a rebound, if
Speaker 3: he got a shingle, Shin Goong was right through his chest.
Speaker 2: He didn't even make moves on. He was right through
Speaker 2: his chest. So what you're seeing with Oklahoma City in Denver,
Speaker 2: whether it's Gordon, whether it's Yokish, they're.
Speaker 3: Making it so you can't hide chet shed is an
Speaker 3: unbelievable weak side shop like it. If you don't put
Speaker 3: your hands on them, he can play in space. In football,
Speaker 3: it's like a team. Remember the Coasts.
Speaker 2: The Coats had a small secondary, they had small linemen
Speaker 2: up front.
Speaker 3: If they got if you were down and they were
Speaker 3: rushing you, you couldn't stop them.
Speaker 2: Just friending the boys, you couldn't stop them. Able to Check.
Speaker 3: But if you could have run the ball and manage
Speaker 3: the game and and and attacked Mattison friendy of those guys,
Speaker 3: you had a shot.
Speaker 2: Because they were small. Oklahoma City is small. So that's
Speaker 2: something similar that you're seeing right there. So as I
Speaker 2: looked for it. Denver found something that Chris Faffa playing
Speaker 2: a Game seven and they had the experience.
Speaker 3: And I said this before I said, whoever wins that
Speaker 3: Clippers Nugget series might be coming out the West.
Speaker 2: Wow, the volume