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Speaker 1: joining us for another episode of Nightcaps. For the first

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Speaker 1: time in NBA history, all the road teams won Game one.

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Speaker 2: We've had two of four, we've had three of four.

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Speaker 1: We've never had all four win and that's what happened,

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Speaker 1: gonna get right into it. Tonight, the Warriors beat the

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Speaker 1: Wolves a large part without Steph. Steph left the game

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Speaker 1: early in the second quarter with a hamstring injury. Did

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Speaker 1: not return the Timberwolves tonight. Naz Reid. Nas Reid was

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Speaker 1: three or seven from three. Everybody else was two of

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and they did not get off to the

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Speaker 1: the best start shooting the basketball. And as Chris Finch said,

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Speaker 1: our transition decisions making what's diabolical, He said, the poor

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Speaker 1: shooting effect their confidence and overall players starts with Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 1: You could see the light go out and for a

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Speaker 1: little while now he did get it going. In the

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Speaker 1: second half, he had twenty three points fourteen rebounds. It

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Speaker 1: just took him twenty two shots to get those twenty

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Speaker 1: three points. And that's not nearly good enough because outside

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Speaker 1: of ad Man, Julius Random was four of eleven, jayde

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Speaker 2: Mike Conley got some great cardio in tonight.

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Speaker 1: But Deevin chevso three of eleven, Mikil Walker, Alexander had

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Speaker 1: Well had fourteen minutes, he got some great cardio in,

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Speaker 1: and even Shannon Junior he got cardio and only got

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Speaker 2: Ryan, I'm gonna start with you on this.

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Speaker 1: You watched this game and you was like, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: Warriors might be in trouble. Steph going out and looked

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Speaker 1: like he had it going. Looked like he was headed

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Speaker 1: one of those nights. Draymond got off hit four of

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Speaker 1: get going. What did you like about what you saw

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Speaker 1: from the Warriors tonight? Man, the first.

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Speaker 3: Thing they could he could have pulled that hand string

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Speaker 3: let's get that out there right now.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost.

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Speaker 3: But man, I don't think people understand and giving Golden

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Speaker 3: Sup gonna go play big, He'll go small and right now,

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Speaker 3: one thing he's doing, he's Darren Rudy Gobert. He said,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Jimmy Butler. I'm gonna put Raymond. We're

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Speaker 3: not putting the die above six eight on you. And

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Speaker 3: he's really challenging go bear to score the ball inside

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Speaker 3: the paint. Now against shen Doon and Steven Adams, he

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Speaker 3: went big. You saw a lot of Clinton Posts. You

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Speaker 3: didn't see Quinton Post tonight. You saw you Sawkabon Looney,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick.

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Speaker 3: Make this very clear, they're not gonna win this series

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Speaker 3: without Steph Perry. He's gonna have to get back depending

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Speaker 3: how bad that hamstring is.

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Speaker 2: And I've never seen step go down.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny, man, we're talking about this the other

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Speaker 2: If you watch him play, I don't know. He must win.

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Speaker 3: Run three to four to five miles, everyone possession.

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Speaker 2: He's running. So finally that hamstring, you know what went out.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: Chad Wollt see in reality where Anthony Edwards struggles that

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Speaker 3: And ultimately in game one and with a lot of

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Speaker 3: Russ the positive when you play seven game series, you're fresh,

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Speaker 1: But I saw Russ from Minna. Oh, Joe, what did

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Speaker 1: he said, I don't think ant man, he'll jump shot

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Speaker 1: He was one of five from the three. He was

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Speaker 1: But the thing that they didn't allow him to do.

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Speaker 1: only is he getting his points, he's allowing everybody else

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Speaker 2: He couldn't get anything from the jump shot, the three

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Speaker 1: He got some driving baskets in the second half, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't nearly nearly enough. What did you look so Tember,

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Speaker 1: what you like ant Man? What is it that you

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Speaker 2: Moving forward?

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Speaker 4: I mean actually going forward, the Wolves, the Wolves are

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Speaker 4: he has to be on fire. He has to be

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Speaker 4: the leader and go out there and not only facilitate,

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Speaker 4: but take a game over. You know, it is only

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Speaker 4: game one, and I honestly, honestly, from what I saw,

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Speaker 4: I knew Steph was getting hot when he when he

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Speaker 4: the perfect opportunity for the Wolves to get back in

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Speaker 4: And that's what I thought it would be, you know,

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Speaker 4: towards end, I thought that we have opportunity to come back.

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Speaker 4: But obviously Jimmy, Jimmy Butler and and Enjoymond Green kind

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Speaker 2: But but he got going in that second half.

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Speaker 4: Yet, yeah, you got to go on the second It's

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Speaker 4: only game one. It's only game one, so I'm expecting,

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Speaker 4: especially at Man gotta everything. Everybody gonna feed off his

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. Minnesota's qored eleven points

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Speaker 1: in the second quarter. The Warriors almost outscored them in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota bed I don't know if I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: you see somebody score just eleven points in a quarter

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Speaker 2: Now, maybe when the game was physical. Hell, I mean,

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Speaker 1: But in today's game, when it's up and down, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen this anemic of a quarter

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that you got to understand it.

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Speaker 2: You must have missed our series.

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Speaker 3: They defend and in Golden State more than anybody. They

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Speaker 3: They just square you off and they keep you in front.

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Speaker 3: It's all school basketball, and they force a contest. Then

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Speaker 3: you bring Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy can play both away,

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Speaker 3: so they got size and they're switchable. And then you

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Speaker 3: HER's put on so much muscle, he's stronger. They're deep

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Speaker 3: you can argue they may be the smartest team in

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Speaker 3: the NBA defensively, so it's not a surprise. And on

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Speaker 3: the other end, this is my challenge to Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 3: Now he's gonna shoot the ball better just by his

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Speaker 2: And what do I mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Luca Doncas can't jump over a from book, but he

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Speaker 3: Luka Donca is gonna find a bad matchup, he gonna

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Speaker 3: pull you into a pick and roll, use the angle

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Speaker 3: and get it at man playing on all heart right now,

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Speaker 3: it's all hearts. Well when he learns how to run

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Speaker 3: the pick and roll, find the four matchup, see how

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Speaker 3: they're playing him.

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Speaker 2: You can't guard him, you know.

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Speaker 3: So he's made strides and the game is gonna come

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Speaker 3: so much more easier to him. But again that was

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Speaker 3: Russ And like Chad saying, chatt is almost impossible, we're

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Speaker 3: play that bad and you're gonna have to see, you know,

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Speaker 3: here's some problem, Chad.

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Speaker 3: Now you're gonna have to ask Jimmy Butler to do

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Speaker 2: He had eleven rebounds to night.

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Speaker 1: He had eight as sister tonight, as you mentioned, because he,

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Speaker 1: That's not what Kerry Curry does. Curry spends his time

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Speaker 2: They had it fairly easy for the most part.

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Speaker 1: because I like what you said, Ryan. The Warriors are team.

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Speaker 1: They don't beat themselves. They make you beat them. So

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Speaker 1: But they're not gonna make those silly ticket tag mistakes

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Speaker 4: And we talked about Anthony Edwards in that in that

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Speaker 2: But are we even worried a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit about the about the Warriors, you know, with Curry's

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Speaker 2: And hey Chad, I'm gonna tell you one thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as as fatigued as he is and his age,

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Speaker 2: Be back game three or four.

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Speaker 3: Now, the gold right now, if you're Golden State of

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Speaker 3: ceed and you notice you stole that game, yes, so

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Speaker 3: now you can rest. Yes, when Jimmy Butler went out

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Speaker 2: They won a game, and they were able to get

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Speaker 3: So if you're gold State, you're saying, if we can

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Speaker 3: we just need to get one at home, and now

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Speaker 3: we still got a series. That's the biggest thing I

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Speaker 3: want to touch on something. You said, Anthony Edwards wasn't

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Speaker 3: he played one on one, but he pretty much zoned

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Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. Okay, Gary Payton the second yeps a dog. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he can dog Draymond and guard you. So they showed

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Speaker 3: bodies and they're saying, thick it to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: You know, nas Reed was wide open.

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Speaker 3: Mc daniels was wide open for three because I can

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Speaker 2: To those guys, they don't have.

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Speaker 3: A n maw shooter if it's not Mike Pinley in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you look at Julius Randall oh for three,

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Speaker 2: So at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: Golden State says, you know what, hey, guys, let's not

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Speaker 1: They out rebounded They out rebounded Minnesota by ten with

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Speaker 1: Let that think it because if you look at them

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Speaker 1: Delia Julius Randalls sixty nine, so I mean the tallest,

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Speaker 1: what about to care and they get the ball. But no, Chad,

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Speaker 1: the reason they don't give those rebounds, and we talked

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Speaker 3: It's hard to beat them off the bounce, and even

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Speaker 2: So now your body's on bodies.

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Speaker 3: When I can get bodies on bodies and box you out,

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Speaker 3: it's old school basketball.

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Speaker 2: Steve approaching old school basketball.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they they're so dominant on the glass.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how you feel about this. Worry's

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Speaker 3: they're athletic, they play off energy. And Golden State is

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Speaker 3: doing what Chad. They holding the back.

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Speaker 2: Chad, you watch them, they hold the basketball.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna see them shoot by design and normally in

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Speaker 3: like a football y'all. Don't want to play that team

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Speaker 3: that's gonna defend and just hold the ball. They hocking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. They're they're the total opposite

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Speaker 1: But you look at it and fort dribbles, they got

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Speaker 2: But Buddy is playing. I mean, look, he could always

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Speaker 1: If you look at him where he is now as

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying he's gonna catch Curry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you you. I don't know if you.

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Speaker 3: Are this type of guy, Chad in your career. But

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that has to get his touches. And

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Speaker 3: Playing because what he did in that game seven against Houston,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't. And Gepsky is a dog. I like him.

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Speaker 3: Man, he got an old school solid player. But he said,

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Speaker 3: Lad do you were you one of those guys? Could

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Speaker 2: I know you know what I'm saying, matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: Boy could play second, but you had to get is

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Speaker 2: Get him the ball early.

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Speaker 1: Get you can't deal it, dally around with him and

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Speaker 1: You're probably gonna lose him if you don't give it

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Speaker 1: the half of the third.

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Speaker 2: I'm not calling matter of fact. He needs his touches.

437
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 2: And you can speak to that a guy like a

438
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,959
Speaker 2: small example.

439
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 4: I can think about what I stood on the table

440
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 4: when TiO had the opportunity to come to Cincinnati. I

441
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 4: told Marvin, I told Mike Brown, I said, listen, we

442
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 4: gotta get him we got to get him in here.

443
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 4: I have no problem taking the back seat. I have

444
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 4: no problem being number two, understanding the greatness that's getting

445
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 4: ready to come, you know, into the receiver room. Now

446
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 4: at that point, common God damn sense, this is one

447
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 4: of the best of all time. I don't care how

448
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 4: good I am right now in Cincinnati. I'm going to

449
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 4: take a back seat. Geo, I'm taking the back seat.

450
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 4: And I had no problem with it. So at some point, obviously, uh,

451
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 4: just like you said that, Brakowski and Carson, they knew

452
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 4: to give me my touches early and the office the

453
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 4: offense ran really well.

454
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Speaker 2: Hell but just that year we went four and twelve,

455
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: so we still were. Sorry, but I'm over that both, y'all.

456
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm still over that over.

457
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened

458
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: that year. Pacers still Game two in Cleveland. Only three

459
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: teams have come back down seven in the last minute

460
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: of a playoff game since nineteen ninety seven. The Thunder

461
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: did it on May thirteen, twenty fourteen. The Pacers did

462
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: it April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, which.

463
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: Was seven days ago.

464
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Speaker 1: The Pacers also did it May sixth, twenty twenty five,

465
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Speaker 1: which was up tonight. Oh, Joe bur We talked about it. Yeah,

466
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: another six, another six guys in double figures. You got

467
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: Siakam twelve, Nie Smith twenty three, turn them twenty three,

468
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: them Hard thirteen, Halliburton nineteen, Matthren nineteen. You see, you

469
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: don't know, you just know it's a committee. Now, you

470
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna be the lead, who's gonna be

471
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: the president, who's gonna journ the meeting? But you know

472
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna and they did a nunbelieve job.

473
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: I believe in a situation like this, Ryan, correct me

474
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Look, yeah, the other team has to

475
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: make has to make a lot of mistakes. But in

476
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: order for you to steal a game with fifty seconds

477
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: left and you down by seven, you gotta make everything right.

478
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: You gotta miss, you gotta miss a free throw and

479
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: get a rebound and get a name one you I mean,

480
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: you see you see Mathn They missed a free throw,

481
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: he dunk it home. Okay, Now Halliburton make one. He

482
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: missed the next one, he get it? Who will out four?

483
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: Three?

484
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: Everything that could have gone wrong for the Calves, the

485
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: calves throw them all night getting the ball in. There

486
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: are a couple of times they could have got some violations,

487
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: but and then I don't know what happened.

488
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: He just threw the ball right to them. Are them hard? Said,

489
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 2: I mean, like, thank you very much, but they're in trouble.

490
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't.

491
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Speaker 1: I think this series is over and it's gonna be

492
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: the most ethic collout because the team that won this

493
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: many games to possibly get swept.

494
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: I can see them getting swept. Ryan, I don't know

495
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: if you see that.

496
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Speaker 1: You got some glasses on, putting them blasts on so

497
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Speaker 1: you can see if you can see what I see

498
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: a chat chat.

499
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Speaker 3: I called this before I seen it, And this is

500
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: what's crazy. And the Pacers the most underrated team in

501
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: the NBA right now.

502
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: Their a team chid.

503
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: Last year they went to the Eastern Front Frience Finals

504
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: and everybody said it was for injuries. Listen, man Rick Carlow,

505
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: nip Hard mcinal. They got some dogs over there. It's

506
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: not the sexiest, Okay, they don't got the forty inch

507
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: Burt mac during Is athletics, Jakams athletics.

508
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: But other than that, they just are tough.

509
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: Hard those players and the way that the NBA is

510
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: played now that is shifting to It was a game

511
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: of athletes, a bunch of three past shootings. Now it's

512
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: a game of toughness and skill. Indiana has toughness and skill.

513
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: They moved to basketball like you talked about in Halliburn. Hey, now,

514
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: hold on, man, they need to put some respect on

515
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: Halliburton's names overrated player at the NBA. Let me tell

516
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: you something from schematically, there's only a handful of guys

517
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: that can manipulate the game. Chris paul I played with Chris.

518
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: Chris is one of those.

519
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: Guys that can do it in the NBA.

520
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: Now it's Lebron, it's Luka, Doncic and James hard when

521
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: he's on his a game, sy rees Halliford could manipulate

522
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: the game.

523
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: What do I mean by that?

524
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: He's the guy that can beat you with the past,

525
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 3: and he can beat you with the shot. And when

526
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 3: you take one way, he's gonna make the correct play.

527
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: So were looking at the stat sheet. He got nineteen

528
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: point four assist in the game winners, and he's got

529
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: the clutch gan he finds away. It's not the prettiest game.

530
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: It's not the prettiest.

531
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Speaker 2: He the guy get it's the Kevin Martin.

532
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 3: He got a little Kevin Martin around, but he's a

533
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: dog and he finds the way. But Chad, Am I

534
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: crazy to where I called this before that happened.

535
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: I got in the.

536
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Record, I called it, Am I crazy to say that

537
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: still is gonna outweigh the athletes and the size. And

538
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 3: obviously give credit to cattle players. They chucked the game up,

539
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: but they had injuries. They had guys messing down of

540
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 3: the initial dropped forty eight pints in the game and

541
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if I'm donning the Mitchell,

542
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: I say, I drove forty eight. That's all I can

543
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: do to will my team to win. And we put

544
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: win with sit It's a ride.

545
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah for me, Ojoe, I thought the game could

546
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: have been even closer. I mean, think about it. See

547
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: I come had eight shots. He's one of you, he's

548
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: your all star. Calim Burton had eleven shots. Think about

549
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: how many of those shots came in the fourth quarter.

550
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, what are y'all doing? I mean, nobody

551
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: took more. Miles Turner had the most shots. He had seventeen.

552
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: They don't had eighty five. They shot almost fifty two

553
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: percent from the floor. If they take better care of

554
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: the basketball, I mean, nim Hard had eight turnovers, so

555
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: he had almost half of the turnovers. If they do

556
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: a better job taking care of the basketball, I'm not

557
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: so sure Cleveland get out to that lead.

558
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: But Cleveland as the.

559
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: Game got closed, I mean, they was up big, and

560
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: every time, here come Indiana, Here come Indiana. They go

561
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: up eighteen nineteen, Here come in there on to will

562
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: it down to nine. They go back up by thirteen,

563
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: they cut it back down to seven. I was like, okay, now,

564
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: y'all miss around. Y'all, ay, you're playing with five because

565
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: y'all letting them.

566
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: God.

567
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: They like, hey man, we're right here. We make a

568
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: couple of plays, we get a couple of stops. You

569
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: know you're getting down huddles. Hey, we make a stop

570
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: right here. Oh yo, get the ball back to our office. Hey,

571
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: who knows what can happen? And that's what happened. They

572
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: messed around and let him get close a and you

573
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: hit that three point shot. It's like, oh, it's a

574
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: one point game. Oh and Halliburton got the rebound. Hey,

575
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: he dribbled out. He got the matchup that he wanted.

576
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: God would work. Hey, I ain't give you the three

577
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: if you go to the basket and tied up. Yeah,

578
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: if I give you that, I'm not.

579
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: I'm not.

580
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: But look like I said, Nie Smith had twenty three

581
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: he played really well, four rebounds, three blocks, Miles Turner

582
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: twenty three points, eight rebounds, five blocks, Tyre's Halliburton nineteen points,

583
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: nine rebounds, the game winner, the ship, the series shift

584
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: to ending on Friday. You're talking about a team that

585
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: what what sixty four games and could possibly get swept.

586
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Have we ever had a team win so many games

587
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: to get swept?

588
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Maybe that that ninety four SuperSonics team they got. They

589
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: didn't get swept, but they got beat by the eighth

590
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: seed of the Denver Nuggets. But to get swept, yeah,

591
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: at sixty four wins.

592
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: But I honestly listen, when you talk about them having

593
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 4: sixty four wins, you got to remember, you gotta remember

594
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: tonight they were they didn't have key contributors. There's Darius

595
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: Garland's out, Everan moe le DeAndre Hunter's out, So those

596
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 4: sixty four.

597
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: They would have had that twenty point lead or they

598
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: just went out once they got to leave. You state,

599
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: they can't an injured. So they had a twenty point

600
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: lead with those guys on the bench, right.

601
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: So that's what that's why. But that's why Dinah in

602
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 3: the half forty eight because he had to do more.

603
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I give him that. But see, what are

604
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: we surprised that Donovan? We Donovan's had fifty seven of

605
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: the playoff game. Him and Jamal Murray both had fifty

606
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: of the playoff game. We don't think about how many

607
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: times he scored thirty in a playoff game. I think

608
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: five of his seven games with the Calves he's had

609
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: at least thirty. We know he's a scoring machine. But

610
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: as long as he got how.

611
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 4: Many hold up he had, he will fit fifteen for thirty,

612
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 4: fifteen for thirty.

613
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can live with the A. That's that's sufficient,

614
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: that's fitting.

615
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: Shoot, he didn't shoot the three ball well and he

616
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: had nine assists. Yeah, so he did all he could do.

617
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: But you can't turn the ball over in situations like that.

618
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: You can't leave guys. You just can't make the mistakes

619
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: in You got listen, you got to win that game.

620
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: You can't play. I don't believe they can play any better.

621
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: Run with the guys that they have missing, they can't

622
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: play any better than what they played tonight and they

623
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: don't have anything to show for that performance.

624
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: Give and this was Indiana's mindset. Let me speak the

625
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: son that you two can't speak to. Okay, y'all's first

626
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: options all of flame. So let me speak to the

627
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: role players. You can give energy, you can bring life.

628
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: They they played like their backs were against the wall.

629
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: But as things get tighter, you need your stars. Now,

630
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: Donovan did his job, but Darius Garland is the other

631
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: closer on that team. He's the guy you put the

632
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: ball in his hands and he's the playmaker.

633
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: Things get happen on the backside.

634
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: So the role players, the heart was there, but as

635
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: things got tighter, where were they gonna go with the basketball?

636
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: And Donovan could do too much. So for Indiana they

637
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: were patient. They just said, where's your offense going to

638
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: keep coming from? So you know that energy, the excitement,

639
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, and when you have a bag go out

640
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: and you saw this with Bolden State, you valghanize behind it.

641
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: I think Steph Curry went out, you know, Draymond Green.

642
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: But as for known as a now shoot the future

643
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. By the way, I think Draymond hit

644
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: three or four straight three pointers in a row, so

645
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: you saw the energy from the role players. But as

646
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: a role player, when the game is getting tight, I'm

647
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: looking at Chris Paul okay, I'm looking at Paul Pierce.

648
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking for those guys and they not on the floor.

649
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: We're going protheros.

650
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: We can only run so much offense. And it's funny.

651
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: There's a saying it's not about the exisz and o's,

652
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: it's about the Jimmys and Joels.

653
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: You have to have players in those situations.

654
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: So no disrespects to the guys on the floor for

655
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: Keith Cleveland, but Donovan Minchell alone wasn't enough. And the

656
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: thing is, you got a well oiled machine over there

657
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: with the pacers, and they just let it get tighter,

658
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: let it get tighter, and then they accept their moment.

659
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: And because they're at home and the fans, you look

660
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: when a game when you've had when you have a

661
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: lead and all of a sudden it starts to dissipate.

662
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: The fans can feel that too, because everything is ooh

663
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: oh no, and all of a sudden, it feels like

664
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: the basket had a lead on it. Max Scruce played

665
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable tonight, five to twelve from the three. He ended

666
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: up taking out from outside the lane and flushed at home.

667
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: He was hyped. I thought Tiger Rome played well. Meryl

668
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: hit a couple of big threes. Allen had twenty two

669
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: to twelve with three blocks. But at the end of

670
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the day, as that game, you look, you up twenty

671
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you look up and there

672
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: it's like fifteen seconds and you only got a three

673
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: point lead. You don't feel as good as you once

674
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: d n. You don't feel as good as you once did.

675
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, we about to let this ish slip away.

676
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: Check this out chair. When I when I played in.

677
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Dallas, so derv Jason Kidd, Jason Terry a Chain would

678
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: have a lead on us and we would go on

679
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: the road and we would live for these moments, almost

680
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: inserting myself as a role player to these situations. Now

681
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: we're gonna do this. But the one thing you would

682
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: say is, oh, they getting tight. I'm not gonna say

683
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: the words we were saying. We were saying they getting tired,

684
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: and try to watch them get tight those arms the

685
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: t ranks, arms come out and brush your mouth and

686
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: you just looking for one crack. Heck, look, man, I'm

687
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: a calling for what it is the reason I'm so

688
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: passionate about giving them Lebron to respect I give him

689
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: is because we had them down three one.

690
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Lebron was not Lebron at that point. He wasn't Peter James.

691
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: He was cling p J but he wasn't King James yet.

692
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: And what he did coming in the Boston with our

693
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: team and our guys and we kept waiting for that

694
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: moment for Lebron to shrink. We had waye figured out.

695
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: With all due respect to Dwayne Wade, we had great

696
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: Avery was doing the x glen job. We had him

697
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 3: figured out, and Lebron took over in that game and

698
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: he willed his team to victory on the Championships and

699
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: the rest of the rest is history from there. But

700
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: if you've been in a situation where you know you're saying,

701
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: give us the ball back this game, give us.

702
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: The ball back, you know, if if anything, especially a

703
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: situation like that, where it's where it's a pressure situation

704
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: and it gets tight, Uncle would be would be better

705
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: suited to say that because he's been a bigger game

706
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: he's been.

707
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: We have one of the best, We had one of

708
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: the best pressure pack quarterbacks in the NFL here Street.

709
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: That's what he was known for.

710
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: So we knew if the defense could get a stop,

711
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. If we're down fourteen with five minutes

712
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: to go and they had the ball, we gotta stop.

713
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna go down this score quickly. Defense, get us

714
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: one more stop, get us off the field. We get

715
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: that ball back. Oh, we're gonna get it. We're gonna

716
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: get a touchdown to beach it. We're gonna, we're gonna

717
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna find a way to beach it because I've

718
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: been in that moment too many times and they know it. See,

719
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing is is that when you have somebody

720
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and and and they know it, they know.

721
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: What you know.

722
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: God, even when the Ladder had that twenty three point lead,

723
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I think it was a some new was on the

724
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: sideline like, hey man, that's Brady over there. They know

725
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: what's over there, and you still worried about.

726
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: The man because you many this.

727
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: What's it gonna take for Tyrese Halan Burton to get

728
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: that respect because he just did it. To your honest,

729
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: he didn't come out there, but he got like, what's

730
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: it gonna take for how the burden? And this was

731
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: league wide they chance and overrated the game. He addressed

732
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: it in the press to overrate that. What's it gonna

733
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: take for him? In your mind, Chad to get that respect?

734
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: And is there anybody that you knew that was getting

735
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: that over rated tag and what they do to get

736
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: over it?

737
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: You know, that's crazy. I think it might be. It

738
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 4: might actually be where he's playing. And I really think

739
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: it might be where he's playing, you know, And and

740
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 4: and outside of that that that's it. And obviously he's

741
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: a he's an All Star. And then the group of

742
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: players that he's combined with when it comes to All

743
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: Star his game isn't pretty, isn't pretty like everyone else's.

744
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: It's it's I lu He don't play above the rim

745
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: like y'all. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. So

746
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be what all the guys that I mentioned,

747
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: James Hardenwood, like you said, James can go give you fifty, Yeah,

748
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: could give you fifty A Luca, you know, Luke, you

749
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: see Luca give your sixty twenty two double. Yeah, John

750
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: can play elevator above the rim. So you look at

751
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the guys that's that plays the position. I don't know

752
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: how many guys you're taking. I mean, you might take

753
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: him over a John, But are you taking them over Steph?

754
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: No, you're not taking them over Luca. Are you taking

755
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: over Shape? I gotta hear that. Huh. You said you're

756
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: taking them over Job, holl of Burden and Job. You

757
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: said you're taking Alabama. No, but that's what I'm saying.

758
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying of the guys that I mentioned, you're not

759
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: taking them over Shape.

760
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: You're not taking them over Luca. You're not taking them

761
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: over Steph.

762
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: So I'm not the only reason I would say you

763
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: probably take him over Job is because of Job's injury history,

764
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: because I can't Job if.

765
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: You if you take injury history out, I can't look

766
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: at that at the time.

767
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: Similar teams, though, can you say that he got asked

768
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: you know Memphis JA.

769
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: He got triple j J where similar? Yeah, I know

770
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: you can't take out injury history, right, be taking away

771
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: the flashy play Chad. John has a flashy place.

772
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not. But are you taking Halliburton? Taking

773
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: Haliburton on the job. Absolutely not. That's I like.

774
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: Listen, I like I like I like Halliburton. I think

775
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why he got that underrated label

776
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: is simply for one, with a team he plays on,

777
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: and two, even though he's efficient and he gets the

778
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 4: job done at a at a high level, it's just

779
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: something about his game.

780
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: It's not pretty, you know, it's not as pretty.

781
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: It's not as esthetically as pleasing as everybody else is

782
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: when you watch a job, when you watch James Hard

783
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: or Steph Curry or Lucas, you know the guy, oh Joe.

784
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: What you're saying, if all the guys that we mentioned

785
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: can go get your fifty, yeah.

786
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: I mean you don't think hallburg give you fifty? No?

787
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Has he ever? What's the points Halibert to scored in

788
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: the game.

789
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: Hey, he gets you forty, get you, get you forty,

790
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: get you.

791
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: You heard me. He can't get your quiet forty And

792
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be other than too.

793
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna be. But think about Shade, look Out, look Out, Shade.

794
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: How many times the Shave Shay had the most twenty thirty,

795
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: forty fifty point games We've seen Luca.

796
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: We've seen Luca drop seventy plus, so we know he

797
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: could go get fifty.

798
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: We think stepth do it. We've seen step do it

799
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: in the game seven. We've seen step do it at

800
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: thirty at thirty six, thirty seven years of age. Yeah,

801
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: the most points he's had. How many times he be

802
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: scored forty in the game? He got three forty point games?

803
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: Shae had what tim of those?

804
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: This year's here's the thing to Chad, And I don't

805
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: know if you know a quarterback like this or a

806
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: wide receiver. He plays the right way, Chad, here's the

807
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 3: reality when he has the ball.

808
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: This is not a sexy play. First star point guard. Yeah,

809
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: the ball aheaded floor, making the ball ahead of the floor.

810
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: Jason Kidd was similar to that, he's a different bill,

811
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: But you just say you might not get the assists,

812
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: but it's the right play.

813
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: Is gonna make the right play. And he just showed

814
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: you tonight he's plucked. So and I feel like, oh.

815
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: Certain, Lebron, just be honest. Lebron don't get a lot

816
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: of the praise from the people. Obviously, he may not

817
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: be a puppet Tea's not what he grew up seeing

818
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: as as the adult. But Lebron will make the correct PLA.

819
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: Burt's a guy who will always make the correct play.

820
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: Obviously he sat the bench for Team USA. Obviously during

821
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: the regular season they look pedestrian. They floodn't barred the seat.

822
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: We's sitting in the Indianna patris U bismal in Mobile, Okay,

823
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: but they're in the Eastern Conference. But he's gonna make

824
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: the right play, Chad, are we faulting him for making

825
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: the right players in anybody that you can think of,

826
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: even on the NFL side, that makes the correct play

827
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: and they don't get the respect.

828
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Because you know, we like somebody ball hog at the

829
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: ball and the thing is Halliburny.

830
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't turned the ball over. How many times do

831
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: we seen him have fifteen of sis in no turnovers?

832
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: How many times do we seen him have double digital

833
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: sists in one or few or two or fewer turnovers?

834
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: So he I mean, as much as he handles the ball,

835
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: he's very efficient at not turning it over. My point

836
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: is I would like to see him be more aggressive.

837
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes you had leven shots and for the longest time

838
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: you had six, and I'm like, bro, come on, Cole year, Bro,

839
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: you got to do You've got to give them more.

840
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: And then you see that fourth quarter, he gave them more.

841
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: He gave them an opportunity. Guys may play.

842
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: Mad Burn made some a nice Smith made some big

843
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: threes that put back dunk that Matt Burn had, matth

844
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Burn had on that miss free throw. But I look,

845
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: I got no problem with Halliburny not But I understand.

846
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: We like Flash, we like Magic Johnson. Ain't nobody can

847
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: think about it? How many people they got right now?

848
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: John Stockton, he got more assists, His record is never

849
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna be broken. Ain't nobody Probably them got John stock

850
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: the top five, a point guard, because everybody like, Okay,

851
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: I got Magic, I got Steph Curry, I got Isaaa Thomas.

852
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: They got so many guys in front of him because

853
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't flashing. All he did was pick and roll

854
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: your ass to death.

855
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 4: And he was fundamentally sound. And another thing, I like

856
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: Halley's game. And you look, okay, you say, well he

857
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: sought the bench. Okay, I mean you go, who is

858
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: he gonna play in front of you? Got a gold

859
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: medal dough Yeah.

860
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

861
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: And you know, also you say about Holler Burton really

862
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: not being aggressive, only having eleven shots you gotta think

863
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 4: everybody else in double figures two, so he ain't really

864
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: got to do much because everybody else collectively is also

865
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: being efficient and scoring and contributed.

866
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't.

867
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: Even know how the hell they won that game. If

868
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 4: you told me the score was, I think at one point,

869
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: I can't.

870
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: Away, I can't. It was one nineteen to one twelve.

871
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: All right, No, I mean, what's the biggest, biggest deficit

872
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: they were down.

873
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they was down by like twenty twenty seven.

874
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought the

875
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: game was over. I thought I thought the game was

876
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: over at that point.

877
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: That's it. There's no way there come.

878
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: There's no way they're coming back, you know, even with

879
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: the injuries, even with you know, Hunter and Garland being out.

880
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: They just did that to Milwaukee. Chair. They had a

881
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: crazy game like that against when they ended Milo laid

882
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: it up.

883
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crazy chair, they got it. They're just

884
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: saying now twenty points. You right though, Chair, But it's

885
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: similar with Milwaukee.

886
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right right now. Listen, I understand the game

887
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: of basketball.

888
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: It's a game of runs most of the time, especially

889
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: when you when you make substitutes and and things changed

890
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 4: once you know your your second level, your second tier

891
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: guys coming the game. But twenty points, I'm thinking you're

892
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: supposed to find a way to keep that lead. Used

893
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: to be like, you already gave up one game. They

894
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: already stole one game from you.

895
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: You got to be like that. And then they come

896
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: back and he allowed the one person, the one person

897
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: that you don't want to.

898
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Shoot the ball smart the ball found. So but you

899
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: know what, Ryan and you could attested this. It used

900
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: to be like that when you got these big leads,

901
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: for the most part, the game was over. But with

902
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: that three point shot and there's so many guys that

903
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: can shoot it, now you're really never out.

904
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: Of a ball game.

905
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: On Joe, we see team be down twenty five, twenty

906
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: six points in the first half and lose a team

907
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: that's down twenty six twenty points in the third quarter

908
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: and lose a ball game.

909
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: Because that three point shot is an equalizer.

910
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: So if I hit a couple of those and you go,

911
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: you have a couple of bad possessions, a twenty point lead,

912
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: I make three threes and two layups. Guess what you back?

913
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: That's nine plus four that's thirteen. I've cut the lead

914
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: in three minutes down to seven. Hey, listen, we just

915
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: saw we just saw a team. We didn't get to

916
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: it yet.

917
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: We just saw a team that Liz by the three

918
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: died it too by not being able to hit it.

919
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys the goal

920
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: real quick for one. And I don't know how you

921
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: feel about this.

922
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 3: This generations, this decade, San Antonio Spurs is the Golden

923
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: State Warriors, got State.

924
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Pewell adapt to who he plays with, he wins with

925
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: who's on the floor.

926
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: And y'all just talked about not choking away lead. They

927
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: got the lead on the road, step courts in the back,

928
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: iceing up. Yeah, they held the ball. That watched Golden State.

929
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: Do y'all say, how did they hold them to sixteen points?

930
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: And they said, they hold the ball and they shoot

931
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: with eight to five seconds on the clots. Now, I'm

932
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: gonna give you some credit. Chafters Son, you gay Early,

933
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you some credit. When you are, I'm

934
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: gonna get you some credit. You said he needs to score,

935
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: Haliburton needs a score. I think you said the tude

936
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: he needs a score to get that type of credit.

937
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a guy who scored the ball

938
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: and turned his I don't want to say turn his

939
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: career rounds, but became a different player.

940
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: Mike Malone challenged the Kola yo kitch to score. He

941
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: was a right play type of guy. And when he

942
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: was challenged, go.

943
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Get Rudy Gobert a fifty ball, a forty ball or

944
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. That changed the polar Yokic. But

945
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: Yokic was similar to Holla Burten in the sense that

946
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: he was just gonna make the right make the right ray,

947
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: make the right place so he could be a guy.

948
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: And I hear you, y'all right, it is saying that

949
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: for you to get that attention, for you to speak

950
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: of you with the jaw and the staff and the

951
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: you know, the tatums and everybody, you're gonna have to

952
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: go give us that consistent.

953
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: Forty ball, that fifty ball when that game is on

954
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: the line.

955
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: So you're right, because Jokic Yokic, I'm telling you, man,

956
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: when he got aggressive, and that was always my thing

957
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: with him, didn't feel like he could score enough. Because

958
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: when we game plan for Yokic, you come out and

959
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 3: say you can't give them both.

960
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: Either you make him a passer, we blint him hands,

961
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: or you make him a score. Yeah, or you make

962
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: him a score. You can't let him. You can't let him.

963
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: You can't let him be thirty twenty and fifteen. Because

964
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: so he got thirty points and he dissed, got fifteen assists.

965
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: You know about five or about five to seven of

966
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: those gonna be three pointerers. So now you're at his mercy.

967
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon hit a game winning three against the Thunder.

968
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion about this today. Ryan,

969
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: do you think that the Thunder strategy of filing up

970
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: three with Jokic on the bench, that's what I didn't get.

971
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic Game one, forty two points.

972
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: He had twenty six in the second half, twenty two rebounds,

973
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: six assists, two blocks.

974
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: He became only the fourth player in NBA.

975
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: History to have Now he's the fifth, well the fourth

976
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: player because Will did it twice forty twenty and five.

977
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Will did it twice, Shaq did it, Yannis did it.

978
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: Now Nicola Jokic has done it. Do you like the strategy?

979
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: I get the premise, but why would you file the backcourt.

980
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Why would you think the back court right, it.

981
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: Was fully because you allow Yo used to get back in.

982
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: It's another play that happened that I don't think we

983
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 3: talked enough about. Shay Yios out of Grand and fuck

984
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: to the basket. He's wide open, he dunks the ball. Yeah,

985
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: you can get those two roubles the.

986
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: High ball.

987
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: They're not talking about that enough with Shaye check Holme Rent.

988
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: This is two free tho. Okay, here's the reality. And

989
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: we just saw this with Golden State. The teams that

990
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: got pressed, the teams that played Game sevens, that Chad,

991
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: they came in sharp when you get battle chest and

992
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: you came in shark.

993
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Okay see, they had a cakewalk. They walked. The Memphis

994
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: met just shut it down, especially when John went down.

995
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: They weren't shouted.

996
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: So you're gonna expect Oklahoma City's gonna play better. Dagnall

997
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: definitely made some mistakes. And it's tough because I don't

998
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: want to talk about it, but Rockets didn't have the

999
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: experience and you're looking at okay see and then was

1000
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: an experienced loss and you can check. I don't want

1001
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: to say anything bad because Mark has been unbelievable to

1002
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: see this season series about him this season, but you

1003
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: do have the challenge and and say, man, yeah you

1004
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: could have played that different. And they and we're gonna

1005
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: see everything we need to know about them boys in

1006
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: game two.

1007
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you look at I mean, the thing is and

1008
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: they had two big guys and you'll with to work

1009
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: on them. Both of them had at least five files. Hey, look,

1010
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: you can't stop it. You just hope you hope you

1011
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: can make I say, Harden's started in check SE's and

1012
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: guard bro.

1013
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna call him the dog. Listen, I'm a skinny

1014
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: boy too. Okay, that's a bard Bro. He's tall, but

1015
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: he is guard. He too small to be down there

1016
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: in the block and the paint. Anyway.

1017
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: You know, he need to go to He need to

1018
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: go to some fast food restaurant and get him a

1019
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: couple of burgers and some pries and a shake. Uh.

1020
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: You look at Jokic.

1021
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: He's second in points first and rebounds first and assists

1022
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: first and steals what's stop?

1023
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: Uh?

1024
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: He's look, I mean, what do you say what? And

1025
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: I said this before, I believe she should win the MVP.

1026
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: But if you say you get one player in the

1027
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: NBA I'm taking Nikola Jokic. I'm taking him over Giannis.

1028
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm taking him over Luca, I'm taking him over Shade.

1029
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm taking him over anybody because there's nothing that he

1030
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: can't do. If you need a score, he can go

1031
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: get you. He averages thirty. You need somebody to rebound,

1032
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: he was thirty rebounding. You need somebody to a facilitate assist.

1033
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: He's second and third of assists.

1034
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: What can he do that?

1035
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: All these other guys can do nothing, and he's efficient.

1036
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Don't look at his shooting percent don't look at his

1037
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: shooting percentage. He can shoot the three, he got the

1038
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: mid range. I don't know if I've ever seen a

1039
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: big guy with I've not seen a guy forget big, medium, small,

1040
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: with that kind of touch around the basket.

1041
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: I mean the way with either hand. I mean, I mean,

1042
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: what do we what do we watch it? What are

1043
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: we playing here? I mean, if you would try to

1044
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: try to discredit him, well, he don't play no defense.

1045
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1046
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: Can I guarantee you the guy that he playing, I

1047
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: guarantee you he ain't putting up those numbers. So unless

1048
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: he put the number and cancel it out on you.

1049
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: I don't talk to me about no defense, right, Damn Dad,

1050
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 4: I'm gonna chat.

1051
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you both sides to this. I'm gonna

1052
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: get I'm gonna give you both sides. Let's play Devil's

1053
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: advocates in a moment. Okay, if he gets another championship,

1054
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: which is very realistic, if he gets another championship, as

1055
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: stick as the NBA is right, we're gonna we're gonna

1056
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna.

1057
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: Be knocking on that dolt conversation and we just wanna say,

1058
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: whad go, wait, go there? What position at at center?

1059
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: At center the greatest of all time?

1060
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: You can argue with his numbers and his impact on

1061
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: the game, he may be the greatest center that we've

1062
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: ever seen play the game, Chad, because he doesn't like

1063
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: you don't like the way you talk about you don't

1064
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: like the way he does.

1065
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: You're not used to a guy who cys up over

1066
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 2: folk book. You're not used to that guy.

1067
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: But if you look at his impact, you look at

1068
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: his numbers, you can argue he's the greatest city that

1069
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: we've ever seen right now. Now, his story is yet

1070
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: to be told, and in this generation, the way he

1071
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: manipulates the game.

1072
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: Forgive me.

1073
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: I talk about the Lufah and Lebron, and he impacts

1074
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: the game like they do. He's the point child, he's

1075
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: the point guard. He is in every way the point guard,

1076
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: the influence on his game. Now, I talk back when

1077
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: they say he had to play with an All Star,

1078
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: because he earned Jamal Murray into an All Star at

1079
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: the end of the day. And I want to challenge

1080
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: because if he gets a championship, he knocking on the door,

1081
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: and if he gets another person who gets bold enough

1082
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: to say I want to go to Denver and play

1083
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: with him, it's a different conversation.

1084
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: Now here's the devil's advocate side of it. He's doing

1085
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: that in this era.

1086
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: If he did that in my era and before he

1087
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: played with two bigs, we had four power forwards on

1088
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: the floor on the roster. We have three to four

1089
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: centers on roster. You didn't have the same type of spacing.

1090
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: We would have been physical with him. He would have

1091
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: been back putting into help. They wouldn't have had the

1092
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: three point shooting of the pace which helps him out.

1093
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: Guys can lean on him. I don't think he would

1094
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: have been that effective. You don't think it was a

1095
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: game of power and not necessarily for Nett. Now he's

1096
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: the closest thing we have to our beatis of bonus.

1097
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: But I can argue and understand both ways. But from

1098
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: a numbers standpoint, right, or when we argue for Michael

1099
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: Jordan Wright, you argue that Michael dominated his right. The

1100
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 3: closest thing is Joel embiid did Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert

1101
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: was a three fourth time defense. He drops fifty balls.

1102
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: Freak go bear. Now Rudy say, I got it. They

1103
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: putting the pig and Rudy said, I got it. He said, brother,

1104
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: I got forty seven. What you got? You talk about

1105
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: you gotta being out of Oh Joe dv.

1106
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: I got he I don't know help. I got it, bro,

1107
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I got ten four bucks, seventy five and two tones.

1108
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: What you talk about you got me? You gotta get

1109
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: some help over here. Here's the thing, and this is

1110
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: very very likely. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

1111
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: O Joe.

1112
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: He gets two more regular season MVPs. So now he

1113
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: get two more. That makes it five. As Ryan says,

1114
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: he gets another finals MVP in the regular season two

1115
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: finals with the numbers that he's putting up. Now, he

1116
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: just became the first time of the average triple double.

1117
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Let us see kid now, yeah, but hold off eight,

1118
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, y'all, slow down a little bit now,

1119
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: let's let's think of let's think about this a little

1120
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: bit now, Ryan, and you.

1121
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: Say he does get another ring. Let's say he does

1122
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 4: with another two m vps. Are we sure we'll talk

1123
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: about him being the best big man in the center

1124
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: of all time, even with the centers that we've had,

1125
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: even the greatest now the Kareem, the Will, the shacks

1126
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: that come.

1127
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: It's so hard to compare errors this, you know, it's

1128
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: so hard to compare errors. But you have to say, Okay,

1129
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Kareem dominated the seventies. Uh, Moses Malone dominated the eighties.

1130
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1131
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if who was the big I mean

1132
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Shaq for Elijahwan or Robinson in the nineties. But will

1133
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: Well Will dominated, Will dominated the sixties him here russells

1134
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: if So it's hard, but it's hard for us to

1135
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: put the goat, say, a center is the goat for

1136
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: the civil fact is he needs a guard to get

1137
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: him the ball. So that's why we kind of we

1138
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: don't give Kareem here. Kareem is the only guy that

1139
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: don't get credit for what he's done. He got sick,

1140
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 1: he got regular season MVPs. He had the most unstoppable shot.

1141
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: You can talk about Kobe's fade away, you gonna have

1142
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: dirt one leg step back here, and KD. You can

1143
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: talk about Cole, Kobe Midi, but the most unstoppable shot

1144
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: in basketball history was won Kareem abdul Jabar the skyhook.

1145
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Now he won six MVPs. Now think about what was

1146
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: amazing Back then? The players voted on the MVP. The

1147
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: players determined who was the MVP. Yeah you didn't know that,

1148
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: did you ride, Yes, the players voted for the MVP.

1149
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: Caud, you really got it when you had a respect

1150
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: to your peers, you really got that. Yeah, he was

1151
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: that boy.

1152
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: He wonted think about it. Magic Magic's rookie year, Kareem

1153
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: was MVP. So how is that possible?

1154
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 2: The MVP.

1155
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: And you win the finals, you win the championship. Magic's

1156
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: rookie year, Magic is finals MVP. Kareems regularly the MVP.

1157
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

1158
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Had Kareem not got hurt, Kareem would have been the

1159
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: finals MVP. Kareem was averaging thirty three and twelve. Go

1160
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: look it up.

1161
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: He was giving work to Carwell Jones and Darryl Dawkins

1162
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: and they had no answer for but Korean ended up.

1163
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: Go look it up.

1164
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: See I'm old enough to remember that on chore people

1165
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: trying to try to try to run run game when

1166
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: you try to put the wool over which can't pull

1167
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: on up. Because I'm old enough to remember, because I

1168
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: had to watch the game the next day because back

1169
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: then the game was take delayed on Joe.

1170
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: You couldn't watch it live.

1171
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: So the game come on one dat Yeah, yeah.

1172
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: Watch it like that.

1173
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: You already know who was the game. I'm gonna watch

1174
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: it anyway. Maybe something happened and didn't they didn't tell

1175
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: me about it.

1176
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: And forgive everyone as we had this conversation, shout out

1177
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: to that let because we know them. This us, We're

1178
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: doing this for the simple fact that's sports.

1179
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: The debate.

1180
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's fancy me and Karine was absolute good

1181
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: nothing darting, but he didn't put karm and pick her

1182
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: roll and he sure he sure is dark Karen, there's

1183
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: no question, but he'd have moved he hadn't got assist,

1184
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: you know, and Paramas Karema was an athlete. You know,

1185
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: when we look at it, Giannis, if you said, Karine,

1186
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: bring the ball up the floor and go through the

1187
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: letl done that he was that. Still, if we're looking

1188
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 3: at Bill Russell, I think the eras are so far away.

1189
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: I don't even want to spect the game and try

1190
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: to compare it. But in terms of Shaq, this is

1191
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: what we can give this a shack Davis.

1192
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Shaq would have been physical, right,

1193
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: but Shaq wouldn't have guarded him.

1194
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: Robert Horry would have guarded Yokic, and Yokic would have

1195
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: wore we love big shot hold on a shout.

1196
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: Legend would have had to hold his ground, but Rob.

1197
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: Would have had to chase him and he'd have got

1198
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: his numbers, and Shaq maybe maybe would have had to

1199
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: slide over late. And here's the reality our vitas and

1200
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: bonus with department in trouble.

1201
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: He listen, he.

1202
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: Wore the Lakers out. He wore the Lakers. So if

1203
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 3: that's the indicator of him, and no disrespect to the

1204
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: big fella, no, none at all. I loved Shaq shackles

1205
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: On the wall. You know what, question theire He would

1206
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: have wore that team out. Now, he couldn't guard Shack.

1207
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: But you look at the numbers, you look at the impact,

1208
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: and he looked at what he did. Shock is the

1209
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: most dominant. We don't take that away. But as far

1210
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: as the impact, that what he would have had. He's

1211
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: a younger r Vetas now Vetus is more athletic. He

1212
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: was a couple exes taller.

1213
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: Beating seven three. People don't realize how tall he was.

1214
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: He was seven three.

1215
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: But by the time he got to the Lakers, he

1216
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: had spent much of his time with the Unified team,

1217
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: and so by the time he got to the Lakers,

1218
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: his needs were bad. He wasn't that or Veta. Could

1219
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: he passed the ball? Yeah, proud to Yoki. He was

1220
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: the best passing big man that we had ever seen.

1221
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: But by the time he got here, he had spent

1222
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: damn near over a decade just played with the Unified team.

1223
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 1: So his knee, his body had started to break break

1224
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: down on him. Ojo, but he was he was a

1225
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 1: tremendous passer. Now he couldn't score the ball like Yoke.

1226
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: He could not score the ball like yo But he

1227
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: could pass the ball like Yoke. He'd have the ball

1228
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: out here and the next thing you know, the guy

1229
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: coming and he would dump it down to him. He

1230
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal player. But the thing that separate rates

1231
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: Yoke is that from any other big the center is

1232
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: that he could do it from three levels. Most of

1233
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: the guys Elijah one had the mid range. He had

1234
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: played back to the basket. He could play around the rim.

1235
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: Shot was around the rim. Okay, Kareem could throw the skyhook,

1236
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: but we've never seen a guy that could shoot the three.

1237
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: He had the mid range, and he can put the

1238
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: ball on the floor and finish at the rim, not

1239
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: not above the rim, at the rim.

1240
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: We haven't seen a guy.

1241
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: We've never seen a big guy that could do that,

1242
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we'll ever see one that

1243
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: can do that that is stilled as he is right now.

1244
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: Chad, I want to give you this. And when you

1245
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: see Yo kicch you know you see him in person.

1246
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: He's about six sixth the lap of the seventh feet

1247
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: for these waters, he's seven what about six to eleven

1248
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: and seventeen. He's huge, He's and his shoulders are wide.

1249
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 3: So he finds off you. When he makes a move

1250
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: his shoulder he is huge, Yeah, he's huge, bro, and

1251
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 3: his arms are lost so he can't junk high. But

1252
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: when he put him the ball above his head, when

1253
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: he's making a move, he's effective. And if you watch him,

1254
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: he's a lot stronger. He plays a finesse game, but

1255
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: he's so much stronger than he gets spreaded for. That's

1256
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 3: a strong boy right there. So when he's hitting the dolls,

1257
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: he's not overpowering him. He's an unbelievable coordination and he's

1258
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: just backing you on the rams and he's looking out

1259
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: and he's watching you.

1260
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, the wildest thing he'll do, he'll watch the help.

1261
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: You get a great player who can pass, he'll sit

1262
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: there and he'll watch the help and as soon as

1263
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: you pop, he's throwing that neck.

1264
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon. He's making those type of plays.

1265
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: So I think even from a physical standpoint, he's just

1266
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: uniquely built with his with his coordination and size.

1267
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: And then you think how long, how much he plays,

1268
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: and no, he's not a great defender. He's a wallup defender.

1269
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: He's played more at the level in picking rolls this

1270
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: year under Mike Malone that I've seen him play and

1271
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: he will do it first, but it's not something you

1272
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: want to rely upon.

1273
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 4: Wait, I ain't know even that guy, damn tong because

1274
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: if you look at this work, you look at his

1275
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: footwork when he's in the post. Hell, but even when

1276
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: he's out and goddamn space and he put the ball

1277
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 4: on the floor, Like, what the hell he?

1278
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he about six five six seven, he at

1279
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: least six to eleven.

1280
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 4: But you see his package though, to be that big,

1281
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: you see his footwork, to be that big, moving like that.

1282
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what soccer? He loves soccer. You look at guys,

1283
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: look at Luca love soccer. Okay, okay, look at the

1284
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: lines you want. Grew up playing soccer. That's why he

1285
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: had the footwork that he had. That's why he doing

1286
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: all this up and under drops depth. He's phenomenal.

1287
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: Hold on, I got gonna saw you Ryan, now I

1288
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: know joking, Jo Joker? Is that that boy? I have

1289
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: a question, now, y'all chat, don't don't jump on me.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking a question.

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Speaker 4: If Boogie, if Boogie cousins hadn't got hurt, how close

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Speaker 4: the Boogiey cousins have been Like Joker.

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Speaker 2: It's only you say that I played with Boogie.

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Speaker 3: I played with Boogie, and they have a very similar

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Speaker 3: skill set because they have.

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Speaker 2: The why the watch, the wide shoulders.

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Speaker 3: Now, Boogie wasn't the pastor like him, but as far

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Speaker 3: as Boogie would phil the double team spin off baits line,

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Speaker 3: Euro said, Bookie played to play the three. Yeah he

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Speaker 3: could un if he wanted to Broe Okay everything, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: book Boogie was good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was Bookie. But I think Boogie

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Speaker 2: is more athletic.

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Speaker 1: Boogie could run, yes, I mean, but it was not

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Speaker 1: uncommon for Boogie to have fifty twenty games.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Had he not got injured, had he not achilles and

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Speaker 1: his a c L and all those injuries, he was special.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm give you this. I think the tough thing

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Speaker 2: with the markets and I played with bo That's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite teammates ever. You know, it's Jack.

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Speaker 3: Bookie is a guy that you see some of the

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Speaker 3: things he does on the court with his energy, some

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Speaker 3: of the stuff he said, honestly, he tell you himself

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Speaker 3: he'd a liked to rail some some of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like off the court, the softest spoken puls do whatever yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm saying he did. He ask the moments of bracords

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Speaker 3: when we heat it or getting into it. Absolutely, but

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Speaker 3: he's a good dude that I loved that dude. And

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Speaker 3: I will say, you know the thing with de Marcus,

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Speaker 3: the difference between him and the European game what they

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Speaker 3: teach here.

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Speaker 2: You know, when Bookie played his best, he.

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Speaker 3: Had to be angry, he had to be mad, and

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Speaker 3: and his emotion got him to that place. And Jokic

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Speaker 3: early in his career was quiet, calm.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ever say he wasn't that good, but

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Speaker 3: he wasn't. He didn't have like Mike Malone put that

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Speaker 3: dog in him and for Boogie before he was able

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Speaker 3: to slow the game down mentally for himself. He ended

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Speaker 3: up earth injured, as folks said. And it was funny

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Speaker 3: that when you see guys get to the into the thirties,

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Speaker 3: get to the age, you know, Holla bird has an

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Speaker 3: old soul, he got an old game. Daddy very well

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Speaker 3: about playing the game, or whoever coached him coaching very well.

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Speaker 3: But I remember when I played with KG Chaid. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you remember. KG would take shot out

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Speaker 3: KG the game, and I thought he was crazy. Everybody

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Speaker 3: thought he was crazy. And then we said, and I

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Speaker 3: remember going up to Ticket and I said, Ticket, I

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Speaker 3: remember asking him, and he insually put years of my career.

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Speaker 2: I said, are you pumped up every game? How are

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Speaker 2: you so tuned up every game? Because you know it's

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Speaker 2: a young guy. We play on the motion. He played

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Speaker 2: on the motion definitely at a much higher level than

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Speaker 2: I did. And KG said, young and what you mean?

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Speaker 2: I said, I see you do this. You're in a

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Speaker 2: full sweat and yelling and all that.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm as comments can be, he said, watching

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Speaker 3: me before the game, I'm taking breaths, I'm breathing, I'm calm,

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Speaker 3: he said.

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Speaker 2: Look at me.

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Speaker 3: During the timeouts, he said, are you watching me, young man?

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Speaker 3: I said, no, you turned out right, He said, I'm

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Speaker 3: sitting there breathing. I'm thinking about the game plan. I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking about the things that we need to go through

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Speaker 3: to get to So if Boogie had a got to

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Speaker 3: that point, if he had got that.

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Speaker 2: Veteran maturity, we would be bringing his name to these conversations.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: He just didn't get to that point.

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Speaker 3: But when you're young US American board players, we would

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Speaker 3: We play from a place.

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Speaker 2: Of pain and hurt and passion, and then you get

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Speaker 2: older and you learn how to refine it.

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Speaker 3: Some of the guys never get to that point in

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Speaker 3: their careers where they can refine it and play.

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Speaker 2: Off the mental stability. But a guy like Yo Kich,

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Speaker 2: he was turned up. He has it.

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Speaker 1: He knows the game man, so it's it's fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon has been phenomenal to these playoffs. He's averaging

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Speaker 1: nineteen points a game, seven rebounds a game, shooting fifty

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Speaker 1: one percent from the floor, and he has two game winners.

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Speaker 1: He had twenty two points last night and Yoke obviously

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Speaker 1: had that monster game fifteen to twenty nine. He would

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Speaker 1: at He had forty two points, twenty two rebounds, six assists,

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Speaker 1: of steal, two blocks, did have the five. He did

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Speaker 1: have the seven turnovers, but Murray got it going late

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Speaker 1: in the ball game had twenty one. Kristin Brown had

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Speaker 1: a level Russ the Russ experience. You know what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get. You're gonna get all our effort. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get some turnovers, but you're gonna get some steals. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a block, You're gonna get some great finishing,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get some air balls, You're gonna get some

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Speaker 1: big may threes. They needed all of that to offset

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Speaker 1: what they didn't get from Michael Porter Jr. He gave

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Speaker 1: two points on one of a shooting, and I understand

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Speaker 1: the shoulder, but bro, you got you can't give him two.

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Speaker 1: Can't give them too. Because the Thunder had twenty, They

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Speaker 1: had six guys in double figures. Shaye with thirty three,

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Speaker 1: Caruso had twenty. Off the bench. You have lou Dort

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Speaker 1: four of nine from three, he had fourteen, Isaiah Hartenstein

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Speaker 1: had twelve. Jaylen Williams had sixteen. He was five or twenty.

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Speaker 1: He hadn't shot the ball particularly well. Chad Hongren had twelve.

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Speaker 1: But it was those two miss free throws you and

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Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, it normally happened like that. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy he you know, I smoked the

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Speaker 1: layup on one and they go that down on another

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Speaker 1: end and get a three.

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Speaker 2: You're like, damn, that's a five points win.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Uncle, I love chat. So I don't want to

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Speaker 5: do this, but the key I don't want to do this,

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Speaker 5: but I'm gonna do it. The key to beating Oklahoma

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Speaker 5: City is attacking check.

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Speaker 2: So he got no.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he's the wing link. But he

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Speaker 3: hasn't put on the strength. He doesn't have the experience

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Yet he doesn't pay.

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Speaker 2: There's a play before those miss Fritos and Gordon and

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Speaker 2: going running the wing. They hit him ahead.

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Speaker 3: He goes face to face with Chad and he be

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Speaker 3: dump he monkey and and oh show you know when

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Speaker 3: you get leveled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so older. Now that chat you crazy. So

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Speaker 2: you you got knocked out by Ray Lorens, you gotta

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Speaker 2: talk about you're gonna keep playing. You're gonna keep playing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but when you get dune and and now chick was

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Speaker 2: messed up since so for him.

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Speaker 3: You can be skinny. I was skinny, but I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to call himself. I think that's disrespectful

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Speaker 3: to a professional athlete. You gotta know how to hold

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Speaker 3: your ground, you got it. And that if Boyd's going

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Speaker 3: up for a dunk, you take that joke out the air.

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Speaker 2: You take that joke.

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Speaker 3: You know he might he might get an and want

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Speaker 3: but he ain't dunk yet. Okay, so he is gonna

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Speaker 3: have to make those plays.

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Speaker 1: But when you beat Oklahoma City, and why the Houston

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Speaker 1: Rockets has success against them.

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Speaker 2: They were physical and they attacked check.

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Speaker 3: If he was guard big Steve O underneath Steve O,

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Speaker 3: hit the boards, walk him underneath dot a rebound, if

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Speaker 3: he got a shingle, Shin Goong was right through his chest.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even make moves on. He was right through

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Speaker 2: his chest. So what you're seeing with Oklahoma City in Denver,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Gordon, whether it's Yokish, they're.

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Speaker 3: Making it so you can't hide chet shed is an

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Speaker 3: unbelievable weak side shop like it. If you don't put

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Speaker 3: your hands on them, he can play in space. In football,

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Speaker 3: it's like a team. Remember the Coasts.

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Speaker 2: The Coats had a small secondary, they had small linemen

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Speaker 2: up front.

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: If they got if you were down and they were

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: rushing you, you couldn't stop them.

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Speaker 2: Just friending the boys, you couldn't stop them. Able to Check.

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Speaker 3: But if you could have run the ball and manage

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: the game and and and attacked Mattison friendy of those guys,

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Speaker 3: you had a shot.

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Speaker 2: Because they were small. Oklahoma City is small. So that's

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Speaker 2: something similar that you're seeing right there. So as I

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Speaker 2: looked for it. Denver found something that Chris Faffa playing

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Speaker 2: a Game seven and they had the experience.

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Speaker 3: And I said this before I said, whoever wins that

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Speaker 3: Clippers Nugget series might be coming out the West.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the volume