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Speaker 1: Three weeks from today it is Draft Day. The two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen NFL Draft will be upon us today.

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Speaker 1: It is episode eight of the best podcast available. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jason Gibbs, opposite for me Andrew Gribble, Brown

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Speaker 1: Senior staff writer and Gribbs A loaded show today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you were going to sit down one on one with

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Speaker 1: Steve Maylan that the director of college scouting for the Browns.

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Speaker 1: A great personality and a guy that's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of experience and some great stories coming. And then Nathan's

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Speaker 1: a girl will join us later in the program, bringing

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Speaker 1: him back into the fold after his vacation, and he

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Speaker 1: will go through one of my stupid little games that

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Speaker 1: we like to call, uh buyer sell mock Draft edition.

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Speaker 1: So a loaded week, A loaded episode eight. Yeah. Excited

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Speaker 1: about Steve Malon because is you know, I know our

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Speaker 1: Kind of he's a newer face in the scouting department here.

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Speaker 1: I believe he was brought in around this time last year,

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Speaker 1: video guys went down to Kentucky with him for for

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Speaker 1: Kentucky's Pro Day. It's something to look forward to when

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Speaker 1: when building the Browns uh comes out here in the

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Speaker 1: his insights just on what the process is like at

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Speaker 1: I mean just you look at some of the guys

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Speaker 1: And then also just to continue to get ready for

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and nineteen NFL Draft, and you know,

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Speaker 1: three weeks from now, you again don't have that first

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Speaker 1: still that can happen between now and uh the end

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Speaker 1: of April, that final Thursday in April, and with John Dorsey.

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Speaker 1: One never knows, but more and more it looks like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Browns are gonna stand pat and let

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Speaker 1: the draft come to them in the second round. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you've had some roster moves since the last time

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Speaker 1: take over for Jabrol Peppers and and now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden he's not here. But in you bring Eric

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Speaker 1: as I said. Uh. The director of Kyle Scotty for

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Speaker 1: and Todd mcshafe from ESPN an interesting article The top

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Speaker 1: and so basically he tiered these players obviously Tier one,

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Speaker 1: you put in a couple a couple of tapes and

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Speaker 1: and see exactly, um, you know where you need to

432
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Speaker 1: allocate your resources for the following year. The big news

433
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Speaker 1: this offseason was trading in the first round pick. I'm

434
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Speaker 1: just wondering, from your perspective, does anything even really change

435
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Speaker 1: all that much or do you guys still go about

436
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Speaker 1: your kind of your your standard process even though things

437
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Speaker 1: are getting started in the second round this year. As

438
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Speaker 1: of now, I think you you still have to be detailed.

439
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Speaker 1: You still have to cover your basis on every every

440
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Speaker 1: potential prospect out there. Um. You know, obviously that's that's

441
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Speaker 1: a John Dorsey call. Um. But but you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that you're that you keep the integrity of

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Speaker 1: your board intact. When you start talking about the second,

444
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Speaker 1: third round, how valuable are those the players still for

445
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Speaker 1: what you're you're looking to accomplish as an organization because

446
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Speaker 1: and everyone on the field is gonna be a first

447
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Speaker 1: round pick most definitely. Um. I think the most important

448
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Speaker 1: thing when you're going through the process is it's it's

449
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Speaker 1: there's talent there. It's just what you make of the talent,

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Speaker 1: you know, So I think that's important. We look at,

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Speaker 1: you know, the money rounds as being important rounds, but

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Speaker 1: we also look forth fitt, six and seventh rounds. There's

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Speaker 1: been some great, great players that have come out of

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Speaker 1: that part of the draft. Uh, and every year you

455
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Speaker 1: try to hit on every one of them you can

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Speaker 1: scout or there's guys you see that you know are

457
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Speaker 1: going to be those fourth, fifth round guys, but you

458
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Speaker 1: know they're they're just way better than that, and they're

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Speaker 1: they're just they fell for other reasons or how do

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Speaker 1: you how do you look at those kind of guys.

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Speaker 1: There's always factors are the reason why guys get drafted

462
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Speaker 1: where they are. I mean you could put together a

463
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame roster of of free agents. I means

464
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Speaker 1: John Randall's prime example of one, Victor Cruz, was a

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player that was with us in New York. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, so there's there's talent at every level, at

467
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Speaker 1: every position throughout the draft. Is just putting the right

468
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Speaker 1: value on them and picking them right as a scout?

469
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Speaker 1: Is it even more rewarding when you see a guy

470
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Speaker 1: coming and exceed those expectations that you had. Absolutely? I

471
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Speaker 1: mean that's that's what you expect out of every one

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Speaker 1: of the players that you draft, walking through the next

473
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Speaker 1: three weeks. When when you get to draft night, is

474
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Speaker 1: that maybe what are your feelings going into a draft night? Now?

475
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Speaker 1: That kind of the word the Hayes in the barn

476
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Speaker 1: in terms of the work and everything like that, I'm

477
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Speaker 1: not sure the Hayes in the barn until the night

478
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Speaker 1: before the draft. Um, when you put all the information together, Um,

479
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Speaker 1: the boys are coming in this this Sunday. They're traveling

480
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Speaker 1: in all the personnel guys, and so we'll be exciting

481
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Speaker 1: to get them back here. Um. Put together some of

482
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Speaker 1: the information that they gathered in the spring and then

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Speaker 1: start grinding on the tape again. I know they were

484
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Speaker 1: here maybe back in February before you guys went to

485
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Speaker 1: the combine. How how valuable was that time together and

486
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Speaker 1: how how much does that part of the process shape

487
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Speaker 1: what you guys end up doing on draft weekend. I

488
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Speaker 1: think most importantly, the life, life line or lifeblood of

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Speaker 1: any organization is the personnel department. And it starts with

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Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, they start the groundwork leading all

491
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Speaker 1: the way up to and through the draft, And so

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to sit there and and um,

493
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of times you have to defer

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Speaker 1: the information to them to fill in the pieces, um,

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Speaker 1: because they're the ones that are on the ground every

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Speaker 1: day beating beating the road, um, digging up information on

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Speaker 1: the players and watching the tape a little bit more

498
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Speaker 1: uh than we are. Actually when we go in, we

499
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Speaker 1: got one opportunity. They've got two and three opportunities to

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Speaker 1: to uh, to get a guy in position in the

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Speaker 1: right position place. For what have you thought of the

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Speaker 1: cohesion kind of with the coaching staff and scouts and

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Speaker 1: kind of the organization that that John Dorsey set up here. Well,

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you've got to be successful, successful

505
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Speaker 1: at all levels. And uh. You know, obviously Freddie is

506
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Speaker 1: an outstanding head coach. He was a proven coordinator. UM.

507
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Speaker 1: This is uh, it's a great opportunity in this town,

508
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Speaker 1: in this city. UM. The coaching staff is eager. We

509
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Speaker 1: got a bunch of teachers, a bunch of coaches that

510
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Speaker 1: are willing to teach the fundamentals. But at the same time,

511
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Speaker 1: there's a there's an old saying that the coach is

512
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Speaker 1: coaching the scout scouting, and so it's important that we

513
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Speaker 1: all work together, um for one common goal. That's to

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Speaker 1: win championships. When you inject more and more talent onto

515
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Speaker 1: a roster, when you see what the competition brings out

516
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Speaker 1: of some guys, how much better can that make that team? Well,

517
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Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is create competition at every position,

518
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Speaker 1: and that builds a strong roster. Um. You know, John's

519
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Speaker 1: philosophy is is be strong at every position and be

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Speaker 1: deep at every position. And so that's what we're working

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Speaker 1: to and that's why you can't even go into a

522
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Speaker 1: draft saying we don't need this position. You guys look

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Speaker 1: at it like every position is is kind of wide open.

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Speaker 1: Don't you. Yeah, and I think that's Uh, it's important

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Speaker 1: that um and John and I and and Alonzo and

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Speaker 1: Ellie talked about this. Share stay. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: making decisions, you're making decisions. Um, you're drafting the best

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Speaker 1: players available, the best player that's on the board at

529
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Speaker 1: the time. Obviously, you hope it sometimes it addresses some

530
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Speaker 1: of the positional needs, but sometimes that doesn't necessarily hold true.

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Speaker 1: And um and and he holds the key to that,

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Speaker 1: to that car it picks is still a lot to

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Speaker 1: work with. Still too right. I mean, as a scout,

534
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Speaker 1: you like seeing that that that number on the board

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Speaker 1: and knowing that you can get that many young players

536
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Speaker 1: on this team. No, there's there's Um, it's a good draft,

537
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Speaker 1: but it's what you make it the draft that's the

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Speaker 1: most important thing. And here on the best podcast available,

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Speaker 1: it's time for another one of Gibbs's stupid little games.

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Speaker 1: Nick shook the week off. We welcome in the Z

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Speaker 1: that stands for Zagora. Back from vacation, all nice and

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Speaker 1: tan and uh in this winter wonderland. Ready to play

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Speaker 1: a little mock draft by or So. I appreciate a

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Speaker 1: few minutes of your time today. Very happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is great. It's the best podcast available, So being

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Speaker 1: on it's an honor. Did you hear our Nick Shook

547
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Speaker 1: comparison last week on where he is in the Realm

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Speaker 1: knew you were going to say that. No Gold, Jerry Gold, No,

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Speaker 1: maybe like a Peterman. Okay, you know, on the periphery.

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Speaker 1: your whenever we promote this thing. Alright, So here's how

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Speaker 1: this little game is going to go. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you a mock draft person expert, I guess someone

562
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Speaker 1: that's put out a mock draft. I will say the

563
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Speaker 1: player where they have that player going. You will tell

564
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Speaker 1: me if you're buying or selling what they are writing?

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Speaker 1: First one up today Peter Schregor p Schreig's friend of

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Speaker 1: the show. He has ed Oliver going number four to

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Speaker 1: the Oakland Slash Las Vegas Raiders buying or selling gribble.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with you. I'm gonna sell it because I

569
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Speaker 1: think it. As much as ed Oliver stock is getting

570
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Speaker 1: back to where it should be, I'm still not seeing

571
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Speaker 1: him going his highs for I just think something with

572
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Speaker 1: the Raiders. I just don't know if that one makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll I I still pick them as the

574
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Speaker 1: team that gets Jeffrey Simmons later in the first round,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna also say selling. I think ed Oliver

576
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Speaker 1: is gonna end up going in the top twelve, which

577
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Speaker 1: is probably right, but I don't think he's gonna go

578
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Speaker 1: ahead of a quarterback goes one. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead of Bossa Alan or Quinnin Williams. I

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Speaker 1: just that I don't see happening. His stock has risen,

581
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Speaker 1: but it's fake fell I think, and now it's just

582
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Speaker 1: where it's always. That's supposed to be the top ten guy,

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Speaker 1: top twelve. Yeah, it's good. That would be the first

584
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Speaker 1: big move to shake up the draft. Though if that happens,

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Speaker 1: it would be a yeah, it would be a huge

586
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Speaker 1: move to shake up the draft. How much do you

587
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Speaker 1: think that they probably want Kyler Murray? Though? Don't you

588
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: think I would think so? But you never know, you

589
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Speaker 1: never know. I think that it's so interesting because Gruden,

590
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Speaker 1: you know, gushes over people. But at the same time,

591
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Speaker 1: with all this, you can't if your car, you can't

592
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Speaker 1: feel what you're loved or you're really the long term

593
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Speaker 1: answer in there, but you're not looking for real estate

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Speaker 1: and less no, no, al right, next up Shregs. He's

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Speaker 1: got Ruelock quarterback Missouri, number six to the Giants. Are

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Speaker 1: you buying or selling? Siagura will start with you. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the for the listening audience, these two have

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Speaker 1: not seen a list. They haven't seen anything about this.

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Speaker 1: I don't even everybody. I've got my iPad in here,

600
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that's gonna help me at all.

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Speaker 1: But I will sell that he goes six to the Giants.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna go on the top half

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Speaker 1: of the first round. I think he's the guy that

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Speaker 1: NFL teams like better than the media and ultimately will

605
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Speaker 1: because there seems to be a lot of smoke about

606
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Speaker 1: him kind of climbing the boards. Maybe it's to Denver

607
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Speaker 1: at number ten, as Charles Davis I think has in

608
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Speaker 1: his latest mock draft, but I don't see him going six.

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Speaker 1: I will say it does seem if if the Giants

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Speaker 1: were to take Haskins, they've done a very good job

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Speaker 1: of convincing everybody that they're not interested in Haskins. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Haskins seems to be falling first. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand really why, but I think Locke is going to

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Speaker 1: go earlier than people think. I just don't think it'll

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Speaker 1: be number six. No that that that's been our topic

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Speaker 1: last week. Haskins no idea why he's falling, but former

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Speaker 1: Brown's offensive coordinator Todd Haley did the kind of a

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Speaker 1: scouting report on him and ripped him pretty good, kind

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Speaker 1: of compared to Jacoby Brissette saying that he just doesn't

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Speaker 1: make NFL throws down the field and thinks that he

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Speaker 1: could be a game manager at best early in his career.

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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna sell because Giants are they're fine a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Why why why are they? Why would they make a

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Speaker 1: move for one year. Yeah, they took a running back

625
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Speaker 1: last they're they're feeling okay. I mean, I just I

626
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Speaker 1: think their pick is my misguided strategy. I think that

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Speaker 1: they're going to try to get someone at seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: it might be Daniel Jones. That's been the link. That's

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Speaker 1: what we talked about the last time I was on

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Speaker 1: b p A when I was just a one off. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's what we're talking about. Daniel Joe. That link,

632
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Speaker 1: the cut Cliff link. Eli's mentoring him. It just seems

633
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Speaker 1: that they like him. And now that they have that

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Speaker 1: second number one with us, you know, maybe at number seventeen,

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Speaker 1: that's somebody you see them draft as. I know that

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Speaker 1: that's kind of become a popular thing on some mocks,

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Speaker 1: like both of those guys aren't even first round worthy.

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Speaker 1: But no, I'm not in any of these quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we don't need one to next up Charles

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Speaker 1: Davis his latest mock draft out this week, he's got

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, speaking of the Ohio state quarterback number eleven

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Speaker 1: to the Bengals. Gribble, you're buying or selling this? I'm

643
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Speaker 1: just I'm just dumping on all these I'm selling. I

644
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Speaker 1: just I don't I need to see the Bengals be

645
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: that bold, and I just don't see it happening. I

646
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: think that they I'll give the Bengals some credit. I

647
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: think we've maybe even unfairly dumping on them a little

648
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: bit throughout this off season. They were really good before

649
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: guys started getting hurt last year. And I would think

650
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: if they're taking a five thousand feet view of their

651
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: of their situation, is that they think they could probably

652
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Speaker 1: compete in the a f C North this year. I mean,

653
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: they've got to be thinking the Browns are favored to

654
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Speaker 1: win the a f C North, we can compete like

655
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: that just mushed them twice last year, right, But you

656
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, if if they're they've got

657
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Speaker 1: to be thinking that the division is that up for grabs,

658
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Speaker 1: that the Browns, who have never won the division, are favored,

659
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Speaker 1: then they've got just as much of a chance as

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Speaker 1: anyone else. I think that they'll just go best player

661
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: a bailable and try to bolster up the roster, which

662
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: they haven't really done much with in the off season,

663
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: which might be another indication to me that they think

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Speaker 1: they're better off than they than other people think. So

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time envisioning Mike Brown, and maybe

666
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because I guess they they must have done

667
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: this with Kitnn Carson Palmer at some point, but paying

668
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars to Andy Dalton and then drafting a

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round. Now on his contract, they

670
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: could actually get out of it this year with no

671
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: dead money, so obviously next year they could get out

672
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: of it with no dead money as well, um and

673
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: move on from him clean. I'm gonna buy the notion

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Speaker 1: that they could take a quarterback, even though it seems

675
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Speaker 1: to be outside of his parameters, because I think at

676
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: some point Nanny Dalton has gotten hurt and Andy Dalton

677
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that

678
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: you can win, really win with. And now it's Mike Brown.

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: Okay with that, Maybe he is. Maybe he's a guy

680
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: that's always okay being between six and ten and ten

681
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and six, because that's steady. I don't know. I'm just

682
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna for the sake of the debate, I'll buy the

683
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: fact that they could be more in the quarterback market

684
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: than we think. Um. I don't know that it would

685
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: be Haskins. But we'll see. Isn't the move for them

686
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: if they're really going to rebuild to trade A J. Green?

687
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Trade A J. Greening at the move. If they're going

688
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: to rebuild, the moves the trade AJ Green and to

689
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: cut Andy Dalton. Those are two big moves that would

690
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: help you speed up or rebuild really fast. Yeah. The

691
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: other part of it, though, too, is that Andy that A. J.

692
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Speaker 1: Green is still a good player. I know that he's

693
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Speaker 1: getting older, and that's probably your most valuable asset at

694
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: this point. But if you're going to do that, then

695
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, why are you gonna pay Why are you

696
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: paying Geno Atkins? Why are you paying a defensive tackle

697
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: a lot? You know what I mean? Where do you

698
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: stop for them? The easiest way you take sixty million

699
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: dollars off the books with Andy Dalton tank and you

700
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: get you know, get into those getting Tanka palooza. Let's

701
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: go work to look at that work for the Browns.

702
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Never ever, ever, do I want to go through anything

703
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: like that. Again, No, we don't have to. We watched

704
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: them twice last year. I would enjoy having I would

705
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: enjoy having his hanking team in the division. That would

706
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: be great. I mean we already got the Dolphins on

707
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the schedule this year. Yeah, fantastic. I encourage a tank.

708
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Speaker 1: But by the Bengals are we're home for the Dolphins? Right? Yeah? See,

709
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: I would have loved that to be the opener as

710
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: much as I want to open in prime time, give

711
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: me like home week one, Tomato can't taking Dolphins and

712
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: just bludging them. I still got the stink of when

713
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: I know when we opened with the Dolphins and Brian

714
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Hartlin looked like, uh, Steve Largent probably became a Brown

715
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean it's stuck with us. Yeah, alright.

716
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Charles Davis also has a guy that is all over

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00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: the place, Jeffrey Simmons. We've seen him go as late

718
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: as forty eight right in front of us. Uh that

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00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Eric Ataholme had last week two, being a top ten

720
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Speaker 1: pick still despite the torn a c l He asked

721
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons number thirty one to the Rams, buying or

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00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: selling Simmons. I'll buy it. You're a good football team.

723
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Speaker 1: You're not dependent on the person that you draft getting

724
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: you over the hump. This year, and everybody seems have

725
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: thought that he was a consensus top ten picking this

726
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: draft that he stayed healthy, So why wouldn't you if

727
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: you're a good team. I don't think he gets out

728
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: of the first round because I think number one, a

729
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: team is gonna want that fifth year option on him

730
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to kind of extend how much control they have over

731
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: when he makes a lot of sense to me, like

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00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: a total Patriots pick. Just let's get a star that

733
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to get otherwise. Right here,

734
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: pick thirty two. So I would be surprised if we

735
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Speaker 1: got out the first round. And so yes, I will

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Speaker 1: buy that Jeffrey Simmons will go in the first round. Yeah,

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00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy that selection if he's available. I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's even gonna be available, but

739
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: I keep mentioning the Raiders, who have two picks at

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00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: the end of the first round, that it would make

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00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for him to go there, And

742
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, the fifth year option with him would

743
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: be huge. I mean that just to keep him around

744
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: for basically get four years out of him, because you're

745
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: you're losing one right off the chump. It will be

746
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: interesting to see where he goes. I think that's the

747
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: one guy really take a look at and you go,

748
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: is he first round? Does he go in the first

749
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: five or ten picks of the second round on Day two?

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00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Something definitely to watch if I'm a team in the

751
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: second round that wanted him, you know, the Patriots are

752
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: happy to move from thirty two into the early second round.

753
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: I would just you want that fifth year option. I think.

754
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a valuable leverage point. He becomes the

755
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: most interesting player in the draft once Cayler Murray's off

756
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: the board, I think, and Dwayne Haskinson I think he

757
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: goes in the first round if there was on the

758
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's the window where that's even

759
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: a wager at the window, but that seems like a

760
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: good one. If you if you if you were destroying

761
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: furniture over there, handles are falling. So if you're Simmons,

762
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: do you take the invitation from ESPN to the green

763
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: room on Draft Night one? No? I don't. So he

764
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: was invited. If he gets in, he'll be invited. I'm

765
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: assuming he's gonna be invited. Do you take the invite? Sure? Yes?

766
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: Is your only chance so to walk across the stage,

767
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you are you worried about the

768
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: potential that you don't go till day two and you

769
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: have to go through that terrible thing. I think he's

770
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna go day one. So what would you Why would

771
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: you say no? I think for him the best thing

772
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: is just in terms of I think it's a special

773
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: moment to walk out there and get the hat with

774
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: the commissioner and take that picture like that's our quarterback

775
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: at a special moment, and his at his own home too.

776
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Then he did he was well, he's also he's a

777
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: man who he's gonna he's gonna do what he wants

778
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: to do. He does his own thing, and I think

779
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be given the

780
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: position he place. He's always gonna be in the the spotlight,

781
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: always be in the band, and can pretty much control

782
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: his own destiny. Whereas think for Jeffrey Simons is a

783
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the NFL, I mean, you're not gonna

784
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: have too many I would say FaceTime moments. Is it

785
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: gets a nice moment. Is it discussed enough that the

786
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: Browns head back to back number one picks and neither

787
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: were at the draft? I mean it both wat. I

788
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: don't think it needs to. I don't think it needs

789
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: to be discussed. Yes, that's that's that's that's I think

790
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: when you know you're the number one overall picked like

791
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: those guys, it's the accolades they've gotten in their lives.

792
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: And Miles certainly is not a guy that would thrive

793
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: on that situation. That's not Miles, as we know, is

794
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: not someone who loves the spotlight. He just wants to

795
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: go handle his business and live his life. For Baker,

796
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: I think he does the media that he wants to do,

797
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: and he comes when he wants to come, and he

798
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: shows up and very much has control over where he's

799
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: going to be portrayed and not how, but just where

800
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: what he wants to do. Like he went on pardon

801
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: my take because he wanted to go on part of

802
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: my take. You know, we didn't. We didn't have time

803
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: for him a lot of time on CBD and then

804
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: finally made some time. He's like, yeah, sure I'll come on,

805
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: and he came on. It was great, But he doesn't.

806
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: I think it's I think they both didn't go for

807
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: very different reasons because I think part of a two

808
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: for Baker was he wanted to be able to have

809
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: full control over the video of that moment, which I

810
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: don't know that the NFL would have allowed him at

811
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: their event to document it the way that he did. Yeh,

812
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: all right, we move on. We're halfway through our mock draft.

813
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: Buy or sell. I'm Jason Gibbs's saying arible. Nathan Zigura

814
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: in the hot seat this week. Chad Ruder from NFL

815
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: dot Com. Uh, he's got a four round mock out.

816
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: This is the only team that I'm doubling up on

817
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: in this. He's got Daniel Jones at number seventeen to

818
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: the Giants. We've talked a little bit about it already.

819
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: You're buying or selling? Bye bye bye. I'm buying. I

820
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: put it out there earlier. Yeah, I was on the first.

821
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: Can't believe that they're going to do this. Why, it's

822
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: all what they evaluate, right. If they think that that's

823
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: the guy, then that's what that's who they're gonna take,

824
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: and they're gonna groom him. And the truth is with quarterbacks,

825
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's binary. Either you've turned out to be

826
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: worthy of a first round pick or you're not. Because

827
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: there's no middle grew like, oh yeah, is it for

828
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: our third round pick? He was a good quar back

829
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: of the guys gonna be somebody you're gonna start and

830
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: build your franchise round or they're not. Chances are that

831
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: person is going to come from the first round. And

832
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: so if you're the Giants, after not taking a swing

833
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: on it last year, you're gonna do it this year.

834
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: And if that's the guy that they like, that's who

835
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna take. Why have Sam Donald when you can

836
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: have Daniel Jones? Well, there you go. Would you rather

837
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: have Daniel Jones and Sa Kwon Barkley or Sam Donald?

838
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: Nick chump? Here's my thing. I wouldn't Here's the one

839
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: thing I won't believe in. Here's the thing. And by

840
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: the way, first round picks this year, if they really

841
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: believe in Daniel Jones, you take them. You take him

842
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: at six, So I wouldn't let him fall to seventeen.

843
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I would disagree with. Or you move,

844
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: it's whatever. And to your point, you're absolutely right. This

845
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: is it's the most important position if you really believe in. So,

846
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: if you believe in somebody's good enough to be the

847
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: seventeenth pick in the draft, you're saying, I believe this

848
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: person is gonna be a franchise quarterback. See, you take

849
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: them as soon as you can, Like, was there any

850
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: difference between us that Johnny Manzel was the twenty second

851
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: pick and Justin Gilbert was like the eighth pick in

852
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: that draft. They were both first round players and you

853
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: had all the focus on them. So it's you might

854
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: as well just take the quarterback first and get the

855
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: guy you want, that the guy, and make sure you

856
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: get the guy that you want. So last week Gribble

857
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: mentioned this, and I want to see if you agree

858
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: with it. The only reason why Daniel Jones not the

859
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: only reason, well, one of the biggest reasons why Daniel

860
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: Jones is relevant and we're talking about him in the

861
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: first round is the fact that his college coach was

862
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: David cut Cliffe and the whole Peyton Manning relationship, and

863
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: and he lies mentoring him. Cutcliffe comes with credibility, and

864
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: that's why he That's why I am believing in him,

865
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more in Druelock right now. Cuck

866
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: Cliff wouldn't just endorse a guy he doesn't think it's

867
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: very good. What this goes back to, though, is that

868
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: quarterback is still the most important position. In the league,

869
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: and teams are gonna who need quarterbacks are going to

870
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: talk themselves into getting one. And that's why there's a

871
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: good chance that a lot of these box which have

872
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks going in the first round are gonna end

873
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: up being true, even though there aren't probably for first

874
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: round quarterbacks on paper at this point. I mean, I

875
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: think it was mcsha who came out earlier this week

876
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: and said, or late last week and said that he

877
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: has three quarterbacks from last year's class, or ahead of

878
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacks in this year's class. That's why,

879
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: though part of me think that this draft could go

880
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: in the direction of outside of the Kyler Murray, who

881
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: he think is gonna go number one, this could be

882
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: like that two thousand thirteen draft. I think there's a

883
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: chance of that happened where they don't go where there's

884
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: just like one like and then Gino Smith was left

885
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: there next holding the bag. I mean, I think that's that.

886
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: I think that is in play with this draft. Interesting, boy,

887
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I would be surprised, just because I think the league

888
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: has even evolved since the two thousand and thirteen where

889
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: it's just we gotta take our shots. I just think

890
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if the any of these quarterbacks are

891
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: worth taking shots on. And there's just not enough big

892
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: gaping holes at quarterback throughout the league, even though some

893
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: teams where I think they should have at the quarterback position. Well,

894
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: now you're talking yourself into Denver, which just traded for

895
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. The Giants have Eli Manning still. The Dolphins

896
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: are a team that are is tanking, but they have

897
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick right now, right, So that's all the teams.

898
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: The Redskins, that's one that where it seems to be

899
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: fairly wide open. But yeah, and you look at the

900
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: mock draft round up on NFL dot com and none

901
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: of them have them taking a quarterback. The Arizona Cardinals

902
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: are going to take a quarterback and trade Josh Rosen

903
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: somewhere if that's If that is in fact, what's happening. Alright,

904
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: we move on to number six. Tom Fournell from CBS

905
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: Sports for the mock draft out. He's got Devin Bush,

906
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: number twenty two, Pitts Puke buying or selling Nathan Zigura.

907
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want that to happen, but it

908
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense. You know, they are

909
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: a huge void in their defense with the loss of

910
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: Ryan Shays ere uh, they've been linked. I think the

911
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: linebacker is quite a bit um. I just don't know

912
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: if Devon Bush is gonna get there. I think if

913
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: you look at Devin White going five to Tampa, which

914
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: everybody seems to think, I think Devin Bush could end

915
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: up in Cincinnati. The thing that I don't like is

916
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: it seems like the most likely landing spots for Devon

917
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: Bush are both in our division. I think he's a

918
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: good player. I would rather see him. Yeah, it's because

919
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: both the Bengals and Steelers need that position, and that's

920
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: I agree with Nathan. I don't think he's gonna make

921
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: it to twenty. I don't know if it's gonna go

922
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, but I don't think he's making it

923
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: to Fry and somebody else step up. The gap between

924
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: him and the next best linebackers massive immense. It is huge.

925
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: But it's funny because in the last week or two

926
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: I've seen him falling into the teens, uh, the late teens,

927
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know what again. Like yeah, Bush started

928
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: off in the like late twenties and then worked his

929
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: way up into a top ten or he was at

930
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: number eleven. He kept going. We kept seeing him mocked

931
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati at number eleven. That was White? Was that White? Yeah?

932
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: That was Devin White. Devin White was the only one

933
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: that was even near the top ten. Confusing the Devons,

934
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: you confused Evan's And then he moved to five in

935
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the mocks once Kwan Alexander left And

936
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: then what else did did Tampa do anything else? Or

937
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: was just that they let Kwon Alexander? And so then

938
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Devin White went up there. And then Devin Bush is

939
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: now climbing from where he was. You know, when we

940
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: first when we actually had a draft pick, he was

941
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: one of the guys that was always kind of available

942
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: to us and was going to Pittsburgh quite a bit.

943
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: And now he's gotten pushed up in many cases to

944
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: Cincinnati as a result of that. And kype right him

945
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: is his number nine best overall players draft. I mean,

946
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: it's a good player, phenomenal athlete, a little short, they said,

947
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: but he plays plays big alright. Next up four now

948
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: has dk Metcalf number twenty seven to the Raiders. This

949
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: is a pretty big fall for a guy that I

950
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: think people had going maybe as high as nine to

951
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Boo follow I'm gonna buy it because I've been all

952
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: aboard the DK Metcalf should be falling express. I just

953
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: and then the Raiders. They would be a tribute dal

954
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: Davis with this pick. It just makes too much sense.

955
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: So dk Metcalf to me is fascinating in the sense

956
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: that wasn't that productive in college. Obviously physically insane. I

957
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: mean just being within a hundred feet of him at

958
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: the combine when he went into the bench press, You're like,

959
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: what in the world are we This guy is unbelievable,

960
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: and he goes and he you know, kills it from

961
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: the measurable standpoint at the combine, but not a fluid

962
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: route runner. And you need to be a fluid route

963
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: right you can be able to generate separation. The just

964
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: gonna win all on contested catches. He's a guy that

965
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: I think when you know, if you remember these initial ones,

966
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't e going nine to Buffalo. That

967
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: was kind of always nine to Buffalo, nine to Buffalo.

968
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me to see him go towards the

969
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: end of the first round at all, So I will

970
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I I don't buy him in the top ten. I

971
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: do buy him in the first round because somebody's gonna

972
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: take a gamble on the potential that he brings because

973
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: of his size and his speed. But there's a lot

974
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: more to run. I mean, you think about the best

975
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL, it's not those big guys anymore.

976
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Julio is rare in his combination of size.

977
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: But he's also a very good route runner. You know,

978
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: he's been hurt a lot, and he's been hurt. I mean,

979
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: like it's that's that's what comes up with being that size.

980
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: I remember talking with somebody who's now an offensive coordinator

981
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL, who was with the Falcons when we

982
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: played Atlanta in the preseason, and he said, Julio Jones

983
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: is just not gonna make it because for him to

984
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: be able to break, cut in and out of his

985
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: breaks the way he does, he said, the force that

986
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: he put, they did it on a force pad and

987
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: he said it would blow your mind. Whatever the number was.

988
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: It was like Ivan Drago, you know, punching the bag

989
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: like whatever that force was. And he said, your joints,

990
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: especially at his size, over time, just cannot take that,

991
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: which is why he's had and he said he's gonna

992
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: have a lot of foot and knee issues, and he's

993
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of foot issues, and that's just from

994
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: the way that he digs his feet in these routes.

995
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: The guys are the best receivers in the NFL right now.

996
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: I mean, by and large, you have Antonio Brown, who's

997
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: not a big guy, but as a tremendous route runner

998
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: in and out, Odell similar, same type of thing, DeAndre Hopkins,

999
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: same type of thing. These are not huge guys. Michael

1000
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: Thomas is a bigger guy, but plays in a perfect

1001
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: offense where he can be a big slot and get

1002
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: those three releases. But I'm talking about the true outside

1003
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: number one, six, four wide receiver. That's not really the

1004
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: guys that are dominating the NFL right now. And this

1005
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: guy can't change direction very well. Well, that's and that's

1006
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: my point exactly, the three best receivers. And he worked

1007
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: his body all offseason and that was at the cost

1008
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: to that it was one of the worst numbers you

1009
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: saw that just that in the way the NFL has

1010
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: played right now, I just I think maybe eight years ago,

1011
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. He goes high and totally yeah,

1012
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: different game, and you just look at the guys that

1013
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: are as I said that our successful in the NFL.

1014
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: What they're able to do is change the direction, get

1015
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: in and out of their breaks, and win with their

1016
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: ability to create separation. And that's what he's gonna have

1017
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: a hard time doing. I remember, you go back a

1018
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: long time, and I know that he doesn't have he

1019
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: didn't have the same speed per se. But remember Mike

1020
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Williams from the USC was so productive, I mean, was unbelievable.

1021
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Even Dwyane Jarrett at USC was two of those guys

1022
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: and they were just big and they're strong, and they

1023
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: were just dominant the College old But the NFL, it's

1024
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: so much more than that. Mike Evans, I think is

1025
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: an exception because he has good speed, great body control,

1026
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: actually can move in and out. But those those guys

1027
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: are much more rare now as the great receivers than

1028
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: they used to be. And even to look at Randy

1029
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, yes he was tall, but he was fast

1030
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: and he could change direction. He could run that slant

1031
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: stop and he was gone. Jerry Rice wasn't a big guy.

1032
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean you talk about Marvin Harrison was a big guy.

1033
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Tory Holt wasn't big. I guess some of the most

1034
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: productive receivers of all time we're not big guys. I

1035
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: think it's that kind of miss perception or misnomer you have,

1036
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: you know you need to be this massive guy. I

1037
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: mean Tyreek Hill was one of the most dangerous stevers

1038
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Again, not a big guy. I mean

1039
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: it's it's when the when it was stomp, when there

1040
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: was a stretch. I don't know what year was. Maybe

1041
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: you highlight two thousand and thirteen or twelve where the

1042
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: three big guys in the NFL or Calvin Johnson, A J. Green,

1043
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: Nulio Jones, And that's why that's where people get that

1044
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: that perception about it. Sure final one guys, and I

1045
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: think it's an easy one from mel Hyper Jr. The

1046
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: other Devon Devin White number five to Tampa Bay buying

1047
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: selling by bye. Though I don't agree with how they

1048
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: got to it. I would have just give him Qwane

1049
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Alexander the money and draft somewhere else. I could have

1050
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: made that argument. I mean, I just I don't. I

1051
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: mean would it's it's it's six to one, half a

1052
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: dozen the other You're still in the same spot. I

1053
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: would have just can the guys spent the money? Yeah,

1054
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: but what Alexander got you would have been making him

1055
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: the highest paid, you know, off ball linebacker in the league.

1056
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know that his number five pick. You

1057
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: could have attracting a generational player at that spot, could

1058
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: be Bears Rod Smith and he was great for their defense.

1059
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: Is he is? He's just a guy. I don't think

1060
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: he's just like, No, he's a good player. Yeah, but

1061
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean ray Lewis helps you if you get that guy.

1062
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right, And a lot of people think

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00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Devin White is that good. They could I think they

1064
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: could have got them. You could have you could have

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00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: spent You could have spent the money, drafted a better

1066
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: draft to go a player you have two good players

1067
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: instead of one, or you could have another way you

1068
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: could have done it is you could have not spent

1069
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: the money, traded down from five, taking Devon Bush a

1070
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: little bit later, and probably picked up because of the

1071
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: top five pick for somebody who wants to get into

1072
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: the Giants for a quarterback. Probably got yourself another first

1073
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: round pick, and there you get three guys and the

1074
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: money to sign somebody more impactful and free agency that Bucks.

1075
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: That Bucks defense is not a Devin White away from

1076
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: being good. That I would agree with. Before we let

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00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: you go, Mr Ziggura, since it's been a few weeks

1078
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: since you've been on. Yeah, number one need for the

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00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. If you're at pick forty nine and you

1080
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: don't make a move till Friday night, so nobody's the

1081
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: roster hasn't changed from now un till then at all,

1082
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: I would say probably a safety. I still want another

1083
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: safe safety, a linebacker, or a corner somewhere. Something on defense.

1084
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: I think offensively we're pretty good, so something on defensive.

1085
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: To me, it's at that second level. I think we're

1086
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: pretty talented and deep now, certainly across the defensive line,

1087
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons I think Gogos trading.

1088
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: You just had too many defensive ends on this team

1089
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: and now linebacker. I think you want one more impact player.

1090
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: And I think in the defensive backfield, whether it's a

1091
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: safety or a corner, I think that you need to

1092
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: make an addition there. All right, The girl appreciate the

1093
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: time my friend look forward to listening to Pleasure on

1094
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's daily. I like sitting there with you on

1095
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: Clean Browns Dailien and getting Gribbs is like more than

1096
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: our newman on Clean Brown's Daily is like, I feel like,

1097
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: are you like I mean, you're kind of like Cramer.

1098
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: I feel like, I hope I'm not like Susan like

1099
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: she uh, you had a long run and then yeah, no,

1100
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: and you're not. I don't think you're trying to Yeah,

1101
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 1: no wedding invitations, licking of the envelopes, worlds colliding. Yeah,

1102
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: but I don't tell you that happening. Alright, guys, thank you.

1103
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: All right, that's been the mock draft by or Sell.

1104
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: We want to thank Nathan Zigura for his time today.

1105
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: We want to thank Steve Maylan, the director of college Scouting.

1106
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: We've only got three episodes left before draft dingy. Yeah,

1107
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: it's coming up quick. It seemed like we hit a

1108
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: lull here in the off season, maybe more so than

1109
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: recent years, but we've just kind of there's been kind

1110
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: of big spiking moments and then quiet moments, and then

1111
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: I think we're we'll get to the drafts and it

1112
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: won't be as big of a weekend as usually as

1113
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, but one that will still be pretty exciting

1114
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: and and hopefully we're we're giving you something to prepare

1115
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: for in terms of those Friday and Saturday picks that

1116
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden now I mean quite

1117
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: a bit and maybe not again not flashy, but guys

1118
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: that are going to be asked to contribute, especially on

1119
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: the special team side of things with a new special

1120
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: teams coach. Yeah, I mean that's that's usually where those

1121
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: guys can make some kind of impact. And it gets

1122
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: me excited thinking about I know that it's crazy because

1123
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: you you mentioned that Gerard Avery, I believe when he

1124
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: was a fifth round pick, was drafted for maybe his

1125
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: special teams upside first, and now all of a sudden

1126
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a pretty prominent role because he's proven

1127
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: he can do even more than that. Antonio Callaway was

1128
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: another guy where I think Killy haven't even an even

1129
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: bigger role in special teams now that he's embraced kind

1130
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: of all the things that come with being an NFL player.

1131
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, these all these guys are gonna

1132
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: have opportunities to get on the field, uh, working under

1133
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Mike Preefer because he he wants to get that group

1134
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: a lot better that it's been these last few years. Yeah,

1135
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: and I also think it's good that you're not having

1136
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: to play your star players on special teams. Yeah. And

1137
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm not discounting Callaway, I'm not discounting Jennard Avery or

1138
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: guys like that. But you know, you don't want to

1139
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: be lining up Jarvis Landry to return kicks and punts.

1140
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: You don't want Odell Beckham doing that. You don't want

1141
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb doing that. Yeah, it's a dangerous thing. Yeah.

1142
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: You look what happened last year Rod Street or broke

1143
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: his neck on special teams. I mean, there's it's a

1144
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: dangerous time out there. You don't want, like the star

1145
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: players out there put every every extra stap you're out there,

1146
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: you're risking yourself for for injury. And I think special

1147
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: teams is is as they've made some restrictions to kind

1148
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: of made it safer, but it's still it's it's chaos

1149
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: out there and that can lead to injuries. And that's

1150
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: why you want your star players not having forced forcing

1151
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: the action out there. Gribbs, that's it for episode eight.

1152
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: Looking forward to next week as well, we bring in

1153
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: a couple more draft experts between now and the draft,

1154
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: and someone from the front office obviously as we get

1155
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: ready for the two NFL draft Ye I'm looking forward to. Indeed,

1156
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: my friend, if you have not listened to any of

1157
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: our other podcasts, shame on you. Number one, number two,

1158
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Speaker 1: you can get those podcasts wherever you get your podcast iTunes,

1159
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: Google Play, wherever the case might be, Cleveland Browns dot com. Um,

1160
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Speaker 1: you can access those any of those podcasts, including this

1161
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: podcast as well. Frander Gribble for Nathan Zigirl for Steve

1162
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: Maylan who we appreciate his time, as well on Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best podcast available