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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys let go. Are

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Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar

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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March sixteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen, Episode number one, O eight. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the latest edition and most sensillating edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: Life in Nest, WBC Morgan Studios at the Star Free

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Speaker 1: Agency is about to kick off. We've already had the

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Speaker 1: initial tampering period, I guess is the best way to

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Speaker 1: put it. But it's gonna kick off in Earnest this

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Speaker 1: afternoon where people can actually put their names on the

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Speaker 1: dotted line. And that's where it gets really interesting. We

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Speaker 1: got so many storylines, so many storylines to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Nick Eatman, Camber Garcia. Dave's not

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Speaker 1: with us today. He's out. I don't know doing what,

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Speaker 1: us are gonna hold it down and We're going to

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Speaker 1: get some opinions from these guys on the happenings around

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Speaker 1: cowboy Land the last couple of days. Here, let's start

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Speaker 1: first with obviously the biggest news that's happened in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. And Randy Gregory, let's start first. Nick,

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Speaker 1: just this level set for everybody in your opinion, and

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Speaker 1: absolutely are because I know people you talk to. Give

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Speaker 1: me a layout of what actually happened. Where Okay, where

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Speaker 1: we are now with Randy Gregory? And I'm about to

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Speaker 1: start this, but before I do, there's no way we

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Speaker 1: can do the show tomorrow like we're doing the show today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I really like do the show tomorrow. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 1: We can always jump back on. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: Amber will put up with us two times in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: That'side in a contract, But yeah we can definitely, You

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Speaker 1: on the contract. That's important, right, That's exactly right. I

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Speaker 1: gotta stick to the Contractum, this is a it was

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Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride. I don't know if it's over.

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Speaker 1: But I mean because at four o'clock is like you said,

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Speaker 1: that's when everything you know, that's when everything will be official,

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Speaker 1: or that's what it first can be official, doesn't have

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Speaker 1: see how this thing goes. But I think what's happened

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, he's going to Denver,

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Speaker 1: That's my problem. It's done, Randy, Let's do this. You know,

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't something where it doesn't appear to be

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take illegal finding. It just takes the commissioner saying,

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Speaker 1: is he can like what people don't know, Like I

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Speaker 1: I'm just a player. What a person needs in their

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Speaker 1: life as far as change, do they need a different

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been here for seven years. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: Chris No, still didn't He's still not on who here

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Speaker 1: we go? Here we go? All right? Um question half

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Speaker 1: of you guys before we went to break, you take

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Speaker 1: the money that you would have spent on Randy um

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Speaker 1: And and maybe go and use it on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. Because I talked before the break

463
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Speaker 1: about for me, what I thought they needed to do

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Speaker 1: on the defense. The number one priority I thought the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys had going into the offseason, regardless of side of

466
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Speaker 1: the ball, was they need to fix this offense in line.

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Speaker 1: Would you take that money and now go out and

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Speaker 1: try to get JC Tredder, who's a center, probably the

469
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Speaker 1: best center on the free agent market right now? Do

470
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Speaker 1: you go out and spend that money on that side

471
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Speaker 1: of the ball instead of maybe getting another pass rusher?

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Speaker 1: I would. I would definitely for the offensive line you

473
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Speaker 1: got you gotta fix your your problems. But but I

474
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Speaker 1: will say this, though your defense last year was good.

475
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Speaker 1: It was good. Defense wasn't like the best, right, but

476
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Speaker 1: it was it was good, and it was really good

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Speaker 1: at turnovers, but it was you know, they had some

478
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Speaker 1: issues as well. So you can't just you know, you

479
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Speaker 1: lose Randy. You gotta get something for that, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Because then you're gonna you're gonna drop

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Speaker 1: down even more. So I can see, I can see

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Speaker 1: both sides. I mean, I mean, you got holes to fix.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the best value was. Yeah, if it's an offensive player,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be a receiver. I do think

485
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Speaker 1: they're going to sign a veteran receiver. Um, so does Daz.

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Speaker 1: Daz thinks so too. But um, yeah, I mean that

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Speaker 1: that would be interesting. But but anyways, and I'm talking

488
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Speaker 1: about Daz throughout James Washington's name the other day. Oklahoma State. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could be Yeah, that would be that would be

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Speaker 1: nice if um he's from Abilene, Stanford so um but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it would be you know, he'd

492
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Speaker 1: be a good, good addition. They need somebody like that.

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Speaker 1: Um but um, anyways, I mean, I guard, yeah, center, defense,

494
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Speaker 1: anything he needs. So whoever is the best player available? Like,

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Speaker 1: take that to the free free agency. You know the

496
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Speaker 1: concept that they use for draft. Take it. Apply that

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Speaker 1: to free agency. Doesn't matter which side of the ball.

498
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Speaker 1: Just go for the best player available because you need it.

499
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Speaker 1: You need help on both sides, clearly. But um one

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Speaker 1: thing I do I don't will they because they don't

501
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Speaker 1: usually do this in recent years, and I know at

502
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Speaker 1: the same time, we have seen a lot of changes

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Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy coming in and things that we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen before have happened. So now I wonder, Okay, are

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Speaker 1: they looking to actually spend some money on a guy

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Speaker 1: that isn't their own guy, because I don't want to

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Speaker 1: rely on just the draft, even if they draft a

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Speaker 1: good guy or whatever. I don't want it to be

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Speaker 1: the case that we go in because it's a hit

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Speaker 1: or miss. Some guys right away Mica Parsons right away

511
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Speaker 1: are excellent, but it's hard to find guys like that,

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Speaker 1: and it's rare, and at the same time you get

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Speaker 1: guys that it does take them a while to develop

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Speaker 1: and all of that, and right now people are tired.

515
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: We're not looking to develop, we're looking to do it. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: there's really it's really on one position where I look

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Speaker 1: at it, maybe two where I look at it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that I wouldn't be waiting for the

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Speaker 1: draft to address this, and it's a reason why receivers

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Speaker 1: the primary one because, as you guys mentioned last week

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Speaker 1: on the show, there's a good chance I shouldn't take

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Speaker 1: a good chance. There is a chance, whatever the percentage is,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that Michael Gallup is not ready to

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Speaker 1: play at the beginning season. He certainly won't be ready

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Speaker 1: for the beginning of training camp in preseason. So that

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Speaker 1: being said, I think I need to hedge my bet

527
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Speaker 1: and I need to have a veteran on this team.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm not gonna draft one. I might

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Speaker 1: draft one really high, but I think I need to

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Speaker 1: have a vet that's available to me week one that

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Speaker 1: could start the season that if I have him paired

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Speaker 1: with CD, paired with whoever is the rookie that I draft, now,

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Speaker 1: I still got a good enough wide receiver Cord to

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Speaker 1: be able to go out and do what I need

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Speaker 1: to do to win ball games. So for me, I

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Speaker 1: look at that, Boss, I say, I really think you

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Speaker 1: gotta get it, even if it's a lower and I

538
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't say a lower, but not the top of veteran

539
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Speaker 1: at the position. James Washington would be a perfect fit

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint, he's that that guy's pretty good player,

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Speaker 1: has played and done some pretty decent things where he

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Speaker 1: was before. You can probably get him for a pretty

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Speaker 1: good deal, maybe even a short term and be one

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Speaker 1: two years and and so for something like that. To me,

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Speaker 1: that that seems to be the great fit, and that

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Speaker 1: seems to be the thing I think they gotta do

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00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: this offseason before they get to draft. All right, m

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Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the people, some of the

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Speaker 1: players who are no longer here. We have not had

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk about some of those deals that

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Speaker 1: have happened over the last several days. I want you

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Speaker 1: to tell me about Like I'm gonna throughout the name,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what they went and what happened, and

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Speaker 1: then I want you to tell me if you think

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00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should have made more of a play based

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00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: on where they went and what they were given. Let's

557
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: start first. Obviously, it was a trade with a Marie Cooper.

558
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: They traded four fifth round pick, They swapped sixth round

559
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: picks with Cleveland. How did you feel about that deal? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't like the decision to get rid of Marie Cooper.

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00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: That's playing and simple. I wouldn't have done that. I

562
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: think that this team is on the verge of doing something.

563
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: They're right there, and I think he's one of their

564
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: better players, and I would have figured it out with him.

565
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Speaker 1: So that's not so definitely wasn't worth it for you. No, No,

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Speaker 1: the trade they saving again sixteen million six So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know that's what they were gonna you know, that's

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: what they were gonna get Randy Gregory or whoever you

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Speaker 1: know with but um, but but it's two different things.

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00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: It's the decision and then they've made it. Okay, so

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00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: now it's a trade. Yeah, I'll take it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the trade's fine. The trade is what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you could get a first, you get a first,

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Speaker 1: you get a second, you get a third, you get

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Speaker 1: a fourth, you get a fifth. It's just that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. And that's that's the world that we live

577
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: in with every with us doing thirty seven podcasts and

578
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Speaker 1: everyone in the world doing it thirty eight thirty whatever,

579
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's that's what that's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing here. Um. So the thing about that is

581
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: is that like you can't, nothing's a secret. As soon

582
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Speaker 1: as the Browns think you're gonna cut them, then they're

583
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Speaker 1: not gonna you know, fifth is about the best year

584
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be. They're taking on all the salaries, so

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00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: they're not really necessarily giving up a lot of that's

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Speaker 1: knowing they're gonna have to take on salary. That's part

587
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: of it too. You know. It is the most expensive

588
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Speaker 1: round pick they've ever had. So that's the trade, is

589
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Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, you never, you never if

590
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Speaker 1: they could have got more, they would have got more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, would you have taking a fourth round, a

592
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick from it from the Eagles, or fifth

593
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Speaker 1: round or from the Browns, fifth round from Browns. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so you're looking at AFC, you're doing the best option

595
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Speaker 1: you can get him over there, you know, that is

596
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Speaker 1: what it is. I wouldn't have made the decision, but

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Speaker 1: that's the decision they made. Yeah, I wouldn't have either.

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Speaker 1: And again we don't know exactly what all they got

599
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Speaker 1: going on over there, what all they have dealt with

600
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: and all that. But at the same time, like this

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Speaker 1: trade just left me feeling like I got the bad

602
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Speaker 1: end of the deal, you know, like I wasn't policed

603
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Speaker 1: at of course I didn't want to see him, But

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Speaker 1: if he left, I want at least feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel, oh, that's that's all right. You know, we're

606
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Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But right now I don't feel like

607
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: we're fine just yet, unless after we start seeing what

608
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Speaker 1: kind of moves and obviously what happens through free agency

609
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Speaker 1: and draft and all that. But right now, it just

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Speaker 1: feels like we lost and we took a step backwards

611
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Speaker 1: rather than forward. I think I think Amari would have

612
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Speaker 1: done a DeMarcus Lawrence deal. I think he would have

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Speaker 1: done that, you know, where it saves you a lot

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Speaker 1: on the cap, saves you on the cap, but also

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Speaker 1: kind of guarantees him a little bit. I think they

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Speaker 1: could have worked with him. I just think that for

617
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Speaker 1: whatever the reason, they've kind of made it their decision.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's some nitpicking from what

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Speaker 1: I've heard about things that he doesn't do as well

620
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Speaker 1: on the field and all that. I'm just kind of like, okay,

621
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Speaker 1: but but I think that they wanted to move on.

622
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Speaker 1: They wanted to push this towards CD. Let it be

623
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Speaker 1: his time, and you know, signed gallup. It's not what

624
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Speaker 1: I would have done, It really wouldn't. I would have

625
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Speaker 1: probably signed the deal, and I think he's probably next

626
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Speaker 1: on your list here, Cedric Wilson. I probably would have

627
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Speaker 1: signed Cedric Wilson instead of Michael Gallup. It's cheaper and

628
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Speaker 1: the guy's gonna be available. That's what I would have done.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, but I think Gallup's more of a

630
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Speaker 1: long term thing, and I think it saves you a

631
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Speaker 1: little bit more on the cap because they were able

632
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Speaker 1: to spread that deal out more. Yeah, let's talk about

633
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Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. He gets a three year deal twenty two million,

634
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Speaker 1: seven point three five million. It is the average per

635
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Speaker 1: year with twelve point seven five million guaranteed. He goes

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Speaker 1: to the Dolphins. What do you think of the deal.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to agree with Nick because I want

638
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Speaker 1: to give some differences of opinion on this show, but

639
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I do when I said it last week, I would

640
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: have preferred Cedric Wilson, not only because of the money,

641
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: but also he I don't feel like it's that different

642
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Speaker 1: than Michael. And I know you can make that face,

643
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, I think, Okay, some people will disagree,

644
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: and some people see the skills that Michael Gallup has

645
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: over Cedric Wilson. But based on what I saw last

646
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: year on Cedric Wilson. It did give me a lot

647
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: more hope that given the opportunity, he will keep giving

648
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: you things that you won't miss. Michael Gallup especially, he's

649
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: seeing the connection that Dak has with him, which is

650
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: hard to find. It's hard to find a quarterback, especially

651
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Dad that does need that kind of help.

652
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: But it's hard to find a guy that can connect

653
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: that way and being sync with your quarterback. But I

654
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: actually think he has that same level of connection with

655
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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. Like you think about the number of plays

656
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Speaker 1: that we've seen between the two of them where he

657
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: hits him just perfectly towards the sideline where it's right

658
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: where Gallup can make the catch, and we know Gallup

659
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Speaker 1: can make those kinds of catches. Like, I think he

660
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: has a similar connection with him as well. I don't

661
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: think it's just Cedric and he doesn't have that connection

662
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: with other players. I think he's got that same connection

663
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Speaker 1: with other guys. And to me, it's really just about

664
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Speaker 1: I hear what you guys are saying, and I get it.

665
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Speaker 1: Cedric is a good, solid receiver. In my opinion, I

666
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: think Michael Gallup is also a solid receiver. I think

667
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, though, has the skill and things I've seen

668
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Speaker 1: that suggests he can be more than that, And as

669
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Speaker 1: he continues to develop, I think he has the skill

670
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Speaker 1: to be more than just a solid receiver. He has

671
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Speaker 1: some skills that makes him do some extraordinary things. I

672
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Speaker 1: haven't necessarily seen. That's from Cedric. I haven't seen Cedric

673
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: make those extraordinary plays in the same way. And at

674
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: the same that's great, that's nice, and again I get that.

675
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: But I again, I just I think Michael Gallup. I

676
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: think Michael Gallup is a just if you were stacking

677
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: them up right beside each other, I think Michael Gallup

678
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: is a better receiver. And so for me, I don't

679
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: think the money kills him. This is a very very

680
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: is a very doable deal for them. So if you

681
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: can get the better receiver for a very doable price,

682
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: yeah do it. And that's the thing, Like it's easy

683
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: to look at it and go old. Gallup's getting what

684
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: almost eleven million, you know, more than that? Almost almost

685
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: twelve his average? His average, yeah, somewhere around there. But

686
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but only what four and a half to

687
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: five is counted against In reality, that's not really the

688
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: case that they might not see a lot's probably a

689
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: cheaper deal than than Cedric. But I I think Cedric

690
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: is a more versatile player, and I think he's a

691
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: He's a I've seen. Is it just because of the

692
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: his ability to throw that you call him more personal? No,

693
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: what's what's so the part I think he's I think

694
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: he's a better fluid athlete. I think he's I think

695
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: he's better I've seen I've seen more plays where I

696
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: like him in the middle of the field. The Minnesota

697
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: game comes to mind, where he was weaving through for touchdown,

698
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the one where he was spinning there against Carolina for

699
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: a touchdown. He's made clutch plays too. He's new England game,

700
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: they lose if he doesn't make a catch on the sideline.

701
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: He's had some balls where he's made perfectly thrown passes

702
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: right in there. I mean he's made plays too, So

703
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: I you know, I just think he's a And to me,

704
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: it's the health, it's it's the it's in March, in April,

705
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: he'll be out. I'm pointing to a practice field out here. Um,

706
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just think he's you know, availability, availability, cheaper,

707
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: and I think comparable in the place. The thing it's

708
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: like seeing recent history, what you've seen recently does influence

709
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of what we have in our mind right now,

710
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: at least I can say that for myself. Me, I

711
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't go as far as saying he's definitely, for sure

712
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: a better player than Gallup, but they're very hand in

713
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: hand to me, and that what I have in my

714
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: mind right now is just a Cedri Wilson that will

715
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: jump goal of there. He can do the tiptoe too,

716
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, he can do that too. He can throw

717
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: the ball and again not that you're looking for your

718
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: receiver to be the quarterback either, but just a little

719
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: extra spice on there. And that's why you know. I

720
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: it opens it up though, when you when you have

721
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: that in your arsenal, I mean, it does open it up.

722
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean, is throw it against Minnesota to the I mean,

723
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure he can, ye, I'm sure I can't. I

724
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: guess my point is, like, I think there are probably

725
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: other guys that could do that if you ask them to.

726
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: I think CD ads at that level of um, you know,

727
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: he can do different kinds of things. Maybe maybe CD

728
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Michael Galla can I don't who knows what.

729
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: CD can't throw the ball, who's gonna catch it. CD's

730
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the catcher, He's the guy that's catching the ball. Michael

731
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Gallop Okay, I'm talking about the first three weeks of

732
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: the season. No, that's that won't take long. But that's

733
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: actually a fair fair point when you start talking about

734
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: health and availability, because I am I'm a little worried

735
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: about what they're gonna do at the beginning of the

736
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: season if Michael Gallup isn't ready to go, Like, how

737
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: do they manage that? Because they've lost their depth at

738
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: wide receiver at this year. All right, let's talk about

739
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. He gets a two year, fourteen million dollars

740
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: deal average seven million a year, seven point five guaranteed.

741
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: He also goes to the Dolphins. That's just becoming Dallas

742
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys East. That being said, what do you think about

743
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the deal? What do you think about the Cowboys allowing

744
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: him and go? Scary? It's a scary thing because in

745
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: no way did the Cowboys want Connor Williams back, and

746
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: the fans didn't want him back, and they don't want

747
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: this guy to play left guard anymore, even though he's

748
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: done it for four years. So he goes he's a

749
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: seven million a year player, so they want somebody better

750
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: than that, clearly, but that if he's a seven million

751
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: dollar dollar guard, you know, year guard, then oh yeah,

752
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Well I got so much money, right,

753
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: so I get this defensemen, that's a scary thing. And

754
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of guards out there, so and

755
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to go into the draft pigeon holding there, Well,

756
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: you have to take a guard because that's when you

757
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: get jumped. That's when you get jumped by somebody that

758
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: says all because they know you gotta take him. So

759
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: and then I wouldn't go much farther than the first round,

760
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: maybe the second on taking a guard that you can

761
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: plug right in and being able to play. Yeah, so

762
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of scary, like what are what are they

763
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: doing here? You know? So would you? But you, but

764
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you would not. I want to be clear. You're not

765
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: saying you would have made this deal for Connor Williams. No,

766
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that if I'm gonna have

767
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: to let go of Amari Cooper and I'm doing all

768
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: these other moves, I'm not worried about Gallup or Gregory,

769
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: I would have signed schurf from I would have done that.

770
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: I cannot argue with you. And and then maybe maybe

771
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: for the first time in his life, Zach Martin is

772
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: a little pissed off or annoyed, and maybe you gotta

773
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: rub that belly a little bit of figure that out.

774
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: But either way, too badass guards. I actually think at

775
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: that point, be honest becomes becomes any center he can.

776
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: You got those two gods, like, I think you become

777
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: an okay center. Yeah, I kind of agree. I mean

778
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: he is an okay center. He's an okay center, but okay,

779
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: he's not getting the job done. Okay, he's not okay. Well,

780
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: he will be a better center with those two guys

781
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: if serviceable. You know, you wouldn't have to go draft

782
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: a center, but you probably could. But man, I mean

783
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I would have done that. That's that's been my thought.

784
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: But they don't want to go that route, right thoughts.

785
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you do we all know, we all know

786
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. We I think that we knew

787
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: his time here was over, and neither part were really happy.

788
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Connor being happy either with everything that's

789
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: being asked to him getting so many criticism, not just

790
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe from the people in the building, but also people

791
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: out there, the fans constantly criticizing, and sometimes it was

792
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: fair and other times I think he got more than

793
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: than what he should have. But at the end of

794
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the day, yeah, his time was up. And it is very,

795
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: very concerning not to see any moves happening right now

796
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: at that position and on the Old line, because we

797
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: know Dad really needs help from the Old Line, and

798
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: so does the running game. We know Zeke needs it,

799
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: and Tony Potler and those two and people that were

800
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago cut see, well, we a really

801
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: know that ain't happening. It's not gonna happen. It doesn't

802
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: work out for the cowboys out way. Zeke is here

803
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: to stay and they need the help that they can get,

804
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: all the help that they can get on the Old Line. Yep. Um,

805
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: We'll say this, and I there are people listening live

806
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: and obviously if you're listening later, this is going to

807
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: be outdated. But Randy Gregory has tweeted out here at

808
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: about noon our time, Madden put a picture of him

809
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: in a Broncos uniform and thoughts and then he just

810
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: typed in LG. So in other words, we're pretty sure

811
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: he's going to Denver LFG. Let's yeah, left field, I

812
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know left field Gregory. Let's f

813
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: and go. So like he's going. But you know what,

814
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I gotta sign, gotta sign the papers, see what happens.

815
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that that kind of seems like he's

816
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: out there. But well, we'll see. This thing is again,

817
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: I keep calling at the roller coaster and I don't

818
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: know if the ride's over yet. Also, anyway, all right,

819
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna say we're gonna take our final break. We

820
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: come back. We got a whole list of Cowboys free

821
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: agents that that we have not heard about, and we'll

822
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: talk about those guys and what we think is gonna

823
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: happen here over the next few days, maybe the next

824
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: few weeks for some of them. We'll do it when

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking free agency. There's

866
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: so many storylines to follow that will stay the same

867
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: for the next few days, maybe weeks, heading right into

868
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Speaker 1: the draft, which should be interesting here at the end

869
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: of April. Never never lost for something to talk about

870
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Speaker 1: here on the break. Let's talk about some of the

871
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: guys that are free agents and we have not talked

872
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: a lot about and that that really haven't been in

873
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: the news cycle here recently. Let's start first with Doran's Armstrong.

874
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: Where do you think things are with Doran's Armstrong as

875
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: a defensive end? And I want you to put it

876
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: in two different categories. One, if for some reason, the

877
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys were to go out and be able to before

878
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: he gets his name on a sheet of paper, get

879
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: Randy Gravy back, that doesn't seem likely. But if that happens,

880
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: or if he's gone, and then you got to move

881
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: on and try to figure out what you're gonna do,

882
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: what just how does that help or hurt? I think Dorance.

883
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: I think they look to sign Dorance if it doesn't

884
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: happen with Randy, and I think that they're pursuing that

885
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: right now. From what I hear that the years is

886
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of the the issue there. They Doan wants a

887
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: shorter deal and the Cowboys want a longer deal just

888
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: because it spreads out the cap a little bit. So

889
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: I think that there's talk there. I mean, that's not

890
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: you know, Drrence can't be Randy Gregory. He just can't.

891
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: That's not his thing. He could be different and solid,

892
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna ever be that explosive type player.

893
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: I think if you draft Chauncey Gholston in the third

894
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: round from Iowa, I think he's got to be Dareance Armstrong.

895
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, I'm fine if they resign him,

896
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna get anyone that excited and other

897
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: than maybe you know, special teams coach and all that,

898
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: because he's got defensive and who can play, But I

899
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: don't know if he's playing at that at that number,

900
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't know. I think that they're

901
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: going to try to sign him if they don't get Randy,

902
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know. If it helped you that much, yeah,

903
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind either way. I think he's in that

904
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: category of guys that we always see in free agency

905
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: where it's I'm not gonna say easily replaceable, but you

906
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: can find a guy that can also do similar things

907
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: that he does. So he's right there in the middle

908
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: of those type of guys that I'm okay if they

909
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: bring him back, but I'm also okay thinking that they

910
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: will will find another defensive end in that level of

911
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: his same level. I think what I'm trying to say,

912
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 1: I know that I was kind of all over the place.

913
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, and I would rather

914
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: get a dynamic player, use the money to get one

915
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: dynamic player as opposed to getting a couple of guys

916
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: like Dorrance and someone else, because I do think you've

917
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: got Gholston and then you can figure someone else out.

918
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the dynamic player, whether it be a

919
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: guard or whether it be another defensive end. But I'd

920
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: rather spend that money that you were going to spend

921
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: on Gregory for one big guy. Okay, so I got

922
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: the scenario for you because I think I think I

923
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: disagree with you onto this scenario. So would you rather

924
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: have von Miller or would you rather have Doran's Armstrong

925
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: plus Bobby Wagner? Because the way I look at it

926
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: is if you gave me Bobby Wagner with Doran's Armstrong,

927
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: the way I look at that is on most downs,

928
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I can play Doran's Armstrong a defensive end. I now

929
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Speaker 1: have Micah. I can move in on pass rushdown. I

930
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: now have another linebacker that's a dynamic linebacker. If I

931
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: wanted to even play Michael Moore defensive end. I got

932
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: a lot of options there. To me, I look at that,

933
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I say that may be an even better option and

934
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: maybe more cost effective than going all in, would say

935
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Von Millerwoody. That sounds good. But I mean, I think

936
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: if I'm doing the math round, I think it's about eighteen,

937
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: I think it's about twenty million, you know, maybe eight

938
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: for Dorrance and like twelve for I think you have

939
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: to get eight for Dorance. Yeah, oh wow, seven maybe okay,

940
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: So and you're doing fourteen for Randy and spreading it

941
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: out a little bit more. So, I don't I don't

942
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: think it's an apples to apples type thing those two. Yeah,

943
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: But I mean I get I gets your point. I

944
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: just it's the Chauncey Gholston just like man, he's got

945
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: to be this year's version of Dorans, which also that's

946
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's where I get back to. I don't

947
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: know how excited I am about possibly getting Dorance back

948
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: because I think Chauncey I'm hoping, Yeah, when you draft

949
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: in the third round, you're hoping that he's going to

950
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: become Dawrance arm Strong. And and there were moments this

951
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: year when you saw the thing, he's like, oh that

952
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: was pretty good play. Okay, He's got a little something

953
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: to him, so I do. I don't think it's beyond

954
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility to think he can at the

955
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: very least become what Daurrance was. I'm getting though, if

956
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: I if when Randy leaves, the number one priority for

957
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: me would probably be Bobby Wagner, because, more so than

958
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: saying a Vaughan or is Vaughan just out of your

959
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: price run? I think he's out of the range. But

960
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, if he wants to come to Dallas, that's

961
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: that's fine. It sounds like he might go to LA

962
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: But I think it'd be Bobby Wagner because you got

963
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: an issue at linebacker. You're not resigning Layton. You only

964
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: got one on the on the on the roster right now,

965
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: right you only have well, I mean those other one

966
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: that played, they're not going. I thought there were there

967
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: were jibro Cox. I forgot about jibro Cox. Yeah, yeah,

968
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: Actually that's a big one to forget about two because yeah,

969
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing next year. Yeah, he's gonna be playing. Butter,

970
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think you got one experienced linebacker

971
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: and everyone in the world trying to move him to

972
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: defensive ent and he could be. I mean, he could

973
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: play some defensive end this year. I think he plays

974
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: them up more on the outside than he did this year.

975
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: Is that maybe your answer that if you get if

976
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: you could get Bobby Wagner, maybe you move Micah to

977
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: defensive end full time or at least most of the time,

978
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: or at least on passing downs, like he's always your

979
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: defensive end. I don't know. I mean, I know that

980
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: McCarthy said he I mean, he told the guys the

981
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: other day about, hey, you know, half of his sacks

982
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: came from up the middle and all that kind of stuff.

983
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that they're trying to they

984
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: want to still keep them that way. But I do

985
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: think on third downs he might be on the outside

986
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And it's all gonna be on

987
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: what it looks like. Because if you got von Miller,

988
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: they'll say they signed Von Miller or Sadarius Smith or

989
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: some outside rusher with d law, he's gonna probably rushing

990
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: more in the middle. If you got Wagner or you

991
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: gotta drafted a first round linebacker, he's probably gonna be

992
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: one outside. So that's why having Swiss Army knife badasses

993
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: like him we're not talking about. It's also why they're

994
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: not plentiful. It's hard to find them. Yeah, we're not

995
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: talking about a Patrick Crayton Cedric Wilson like he can

996
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of everything. We're talking about someone that

997
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: does elite level stuff here and there. Yes, he's valuable

998
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: to have. Right now, they don't have the defensive end,

999
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: the other defensive end that they meet, or a linebacker really,

1000
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: because what do you have a linebacker currently? We don't

1001
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: have anybody really, so that's another problem. So you got

1002
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: this guy that's arguably the best player on the roster,

1003
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: and there are two positions that are uncertain right now

1004
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: that you don't know what's going to happen. So you

1005
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: clearly do need to address both of them to be

1006
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: able to utilize him the ways that you guys have

1007
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: been talking about and as a Swiss Army knife. But

1008
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you real quick, this is definitely

1009
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: gonna be a dumb question, but whatever, I don't care

1010
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: asking about them questions. But for guys, obviously not your

1011
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: expensive guys, top players, but guys like Dorn's armstrong when

1012
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: you like, let's say sign them or whatever. How much

1013
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: money would you lose if you end up like getting

1014
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: rid of him a training camp after training camp ends

1015
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: on the deal. Yeah, someone like like him, you know,

1016
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily your main guys obviously, but those lower end guys,

1017
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: but not necessarily your full at the bottomom of the

1018
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: depth That gets That gets back to like how long

1019
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: is the deal? Like when Nick was talking about earlier,

1020
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: like he's wanting a shorter term deal. They want a

1021
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: longer term deal. If it's a longer term deal, it

1022
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: hurts more to release him soon because you're expect to

1023
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: be able to spread that money out over all those

1024
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: years and now it all comes due. So I think

1025
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: that's really kind of the issues. What kind of deal

1026
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: they have? Well, how many years do they have left

1027
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: on that deal where they would have been kind of

1028
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: spreading out the signing bonus? Yeah, I don't think. I

1029
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: don't think that would happen this year. It also just

1030
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: depends on what it looks like, you know, like if

1031
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: when they say an average of eight a year, it's

1032
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: like what is it? Is it? You know, is it

1033
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: salary or is it guaranteed? Money or is it bonus

1034
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, it's it's hard to tell.

1035
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: It Usually that didn't happen if they sign him to

1036
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: a deal like that because the first couple of first

1037
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: couple of one year deal doesn't really matter. But right,

1038
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: but if it's a one year deal that most of

1039
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: it is a guarantee or is it a bonus or

1040
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: something like that, then that's what I was like, maybe

1041
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: a Noah Brown type of yeah, that you can do

1042
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: something like that with no I was just in that

1043
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: thought in the line thought of like, Okay, what kind

1044
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: of guys can you kind of back yourself up a

1045
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: little bit right now before you figure out why exactly

1046
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: other moves you can make, whether it's a big splash

1047
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: and free agency or through the draft. Yeah, it's it's

1048
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to tell right now. Um. I think

1049
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: you know one thing we didn't talk about is d

1050
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: Law too, Like did we I mean, well, we talked

1051
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: about with the cut. I just think it's kind of

1052
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: weird because talk about a narrative that changed. I mean

1053
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: a week ago. D Law was the guy that was like, oh,

1054
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a pay cut. I'm not gonna do

1055
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna do anything to help the team.

1056
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Then he comes in and and okay, we kind of

1057
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: know why. Well yeah, but I mean he also he

1058
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: also did a team friendly thing, which it helped him.

1059
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not he's gonna get thirty million guaranteed,

1060
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: but it's but it still helps him and it helped

1061
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: the team, and it was and he did it so

1062
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: he could resign Hooker, Gregory and Curse. That's why he

1063
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: did it. And it doesn't look like he's gonna get

1064
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: all three right now. I just got one with Mulley Cooker.

1065
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: But he did it to help the team, helped him.

1066
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: I called it a win win, win, win win situation.

1067
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: And you know, it didn't get that. I didn't get

1068
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: that that last one with Gregory. But I do think

1069
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: if he can get more players out of this, then

1070
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a you know, I think it was

1071
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: a it was a move. Dave Hellman said it best.

1072
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: It's a move that fan fans always want the players

1073
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: to make help the team out. And that's what he did.

1074
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: He went in there and signed it and did you know,

1075
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: did the team friendly deal. Yeah, And part of it

1076
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: too was I mean, obviously he had to protect himself

1077
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to get into a situation where

1078
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: we've seen this happen in the NFL as well. So

1079
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: what goes back to what I was saying earlier players

1080
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: have to look out for themselves too, is you know,

1081
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: you wait and the team doesn't want to do anything

1082
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: right now, but then they wait and then you get

1083
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: cut like in June or July, and now you're sitting

1084
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: out there as a free agent when all the money's

1085
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: been taken. So there's a lot that's that's factored into

1086
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: why he would make a decision like this. But I think,

1087
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: as you said, it actually ended up working out for everyone.

1088
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: It was a win for the team, it was a

1089
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: win for him. Hopefully a win for some other players

1090
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: that will be signed back here, even if it's not

1091
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: Randy crab And he did say on a podcast he

1092
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: was on just yesterday, he said he was asked about,

1093
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of how they moved from here, and

1094
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: he's like, look, just get players, right, So you know,

1095
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: if they got Vaughan or if they got Bobby Wagner,

1096
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be happy. I don't think

1097
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: the name is I you gotta use my money to

1098
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: get Randy. I think he just wants to have good players,

1099
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: so because he at the end of the day, like

1100
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: every other player, he wants to win ultimately. Right, all right,

1101
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: let's talk about Demante Casey. He spent most of the

1102
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: year last year. Is you're starting free safety? What's happening

1103
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: with him? Is that somebody Cowboys even thinking about at

1104
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: this point or is he just going to be out

1105
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: of free agency and whatever he gets is what he

1106
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: gets from somewhere else? Got anything? Because because I honestly,

1107
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: like I remember Monte Casey like seven seconds ago when

1108
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: you just mentioned his name, I hadn't been In other words,

1109
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: he ain't on their radar. He's not, he's not had

1110
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the money. They just it's not

1111
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: the fit that they want. So I think probably because

1112
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: of the similarity in the name and like starting with

1113
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: a K, my mom was just things of Curse initially,

1114
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: so you tend to forget like Casey. They they they

1115
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: signed Hooker, I mean that's what they signed. That's gonna

1116
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: be their free safety. And the yeah, their free safety.

1117
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: And they try and they're trying to resign Jaron Curse

1118
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: and so that and they got Mquama here they hope

1119
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: to keep developing. Maybe yeah, of course, you know, they

1120
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: got other guys that are a little wrong guys. I'm

1121
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Donald Wilson still, you know, so yeah, you've got you've

1122
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: got guys there. And I think everyone knew this was

1123
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: one of those situations that you know, they threw stuff

1124
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: at the wall and hoping, see what's stick. You know

1125
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: what it's gonna stick. I mean, curse CAZy Hooker. All

1126
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: three of them one year deals. We'll see what works.

1127
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: And you could say they all kind of worked. I mean,

1128
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: Casey was a good player. He was probably a more

1129
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: productive player. But I thought, you know, from upside standpoint,

1130
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: I think the thing Hooker and Hooker was coming off

1131
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: and achilles last year, so it was so it would

1132
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: be fair. So it was crazy, right, But I do

1133
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: think that the expectation was Hooker was getting better as

1134
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: the season went on. I thought coming into this year

1135
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: he might be a better option for them than last year.

1136
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: And this was a first round pick that was you know,

1137
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: that has the talent and all that, he's just got

1138
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: to kind of come into his forgotten his history injuries,

1139
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, until we did the article about him

1140
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: getting resigned and all that, But I have forgotten he

1141
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: went through all of that. I'm like, I'm like, god, okay, yeah,

1142
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: but that's pretty impressive. It was a good player at

1143
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: one point, Like that's you might still one here. If

1144
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: if he can, you know, stay healthy, you might still

1145
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: a really really good player. Yeah, there's there's no doubt

1146
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: if he can, if he can come back from that,

1147
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: and he has, he's come back. But I mean, you

1148
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: gotta just keep you gotta keep doing it. Yeah, yeah,

1149
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: all right, Lake Vanderesh, Where where are with him? What's

1150
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: the likelihood I know you were talking about his market earlier.

1151
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Where are you hearing about him? I think he's he's

1152
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: didn't get the money that he thought he was gonna get,

1153
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: But um I it sounds like he's gonna gonna get

1154
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: some interest here. I think Pittsburgh, New England, maybe a

1155
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: couple other AFC teams are earn the mix there. I

1156
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys were kind of lukewarm on him coming back,

1157
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: and you know, I think Layton wanted to come back,

1158
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: but he's got to be this is a second contract

1159
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: he's got. He's got to do the most for him.

1160
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: Based on what you guys saw from him last year

1161
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: and really all the course of his career here in Dallas.

1162
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Would you like to see Layton Vanderish back if the

1163
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: money works, Well, the money's got to really work, you No,

1164
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's got to really work. I think

1165
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I think that last game was tricky because it showed

1166
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: him he played really well. But there's not many teams

1167
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL that play the way the forty nine

1168
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: ers play. They are they try to run the ball

1169
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: at you, and if that's the case, I think Layton

1170
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: can be effective. I think Layton would be really good

1171
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh because I think the Browns like to run it.

1172
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals even like to run it, and

1173
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: the Bravens that division. I think it would be right

1174
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: up his all. But when he's running around trying to

1175
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: get chase tight ends and running backs out of the

1176
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: backfield and stuff like that, that's not really his strength.

1177
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: And so I don't think all games would be his

1178
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: best game, and that's probably not going to be worth

1179
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: the money that you get. So you know, I'm surprised

1180
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: that he wanted to come back, though he did for

1181
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: the right price, but he's got to be smart about it.

1182
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's kind of lost it for me. Like

1183
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: you know when you see certain players that they're just

1184
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: completely ruthless and they just throw themselves on there and

1185
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: do that, make that tackle and all that. And I'm

1186
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: not saying he doesn't play hard, Obviously, every player that

1187
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: gets on that field plays hard, but there's something about

1188
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: him that he just has lost that spark that he

1189
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: has shown his rookie year. And maybe the last injury

1190
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: he got maybe really got to him or something. I

1191
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just speculating here, but he just has

1192
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: lost that adrenaline that I once saw in him. So

1193
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: right now, he didn't have me much to want to

1194
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: bring him back based on specifically what we saw last year. Right, Um,

1195
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: a few guys I'm gonna run down real quick, just

1196
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: let me know what you what you're hearing about them. Uh,

1197
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: let's start with Brian Anger didn't give me Keyan O'Neill.

1198
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: Ken O'Neill, I'll say that, I don't think he's in

1199
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: the mix. Keyan O'Neill was supposed to come in and

1200
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: be a safety that was transitioning into linebacker, that could

1201
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: be their nickel guy and probably lead the team and

1202
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: tackles and that happened. It's just his name was Jayron Curse.

1203
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Jon Curse just took the role that

1204
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: Kenrol Nill was supposed to have and that's what they're

1205
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: did it better and did it better, And so that's

1206
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: what I think's happening there. And then Anger, you know,

1207
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: I that they want him back. They just want to

1208
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: write Price. I think Hecker's now and was about to say,

1209
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: how does Hecker play into that, because obviously that's one

1210
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: of one of the bones fosils guys, and he loves

1211
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: his guys. We've seen that. Yeah, but they put a

1212
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: cap on it. I mean that they're not spending a

1213
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: ton on for the punter. They you know, they've looked

1214
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: at that. You know, Anger's history and he's he seems

1215
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: to do better when he had one year deal when

1216
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 1: he's on a one year deal. Talk about that because

1217
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: I think sometimes and at least what I've heard in

1218
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: the meat of the general media, everybody's like, why wouldn't

1219
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: you resign Anger? He was so great last year and

1220
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: by the way, he was really great. And my eyes

1221
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: even open once you told me, like, go look at

1222
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: his history, go look at how he's performed over years.

1223
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thinks he's, you know,

1224
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: fresh into the NFL and this is like his you

1225
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: know this, but talk about that. Yeah, he's this is

1226
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,479
Speaker 1: every year that he has signed like a one year deal,

1227
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: a prove it deal, he's done it, he's been really good.

1228
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: Then he gets like a three year deal out of it,

1229
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: and he never makes it to the second year of

1230
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: that because he doesn't perform to that level. And then

1231
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: he goes and gets another deal and he I think

1232
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: this is like his eighth or ninth year, So he's

1233
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of done this. I was kind of shocked when

1234
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: you told me that. Yeah. Wow, So he hasn't been

1235
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: as great all the time. It's been an up and

1236
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: down type of career at times. But so investing a

1237
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: lot of money him is a bit of a risk, Yeah,

1238
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. But but I'll say this, I think

1239
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: he's I think he's perfect for what Fossil's doing. And

1240
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: so punters want to play for him because because we've

1241
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: talked about this set several times, he protects the punter.

1242
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: He's his reputation is one of a guy that's gonna

1243
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of fakes, and you know, he's getting

1244
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: very good numbers out of it, because all you have

1245
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: to do is go up there, pump the ball high far.

1246
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna gonna return it because CJ. Goodwin's already down

1247
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: there waiting on him to catch it. So it's a

1248
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: good situation to be a punter here. And I think

1249
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: that they'll get a good one. I don't know if

1250
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: it'll be Anger, I don't know if it'll be Hecker.

1251
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they'll get a good one because

1252
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: even if the money's not great, it's a good place

1253
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: for them to be. All right, appreciate you guys. Join us.

1254
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. We'll have more, I'm sure,

1255
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: more news on free agency. Keep locked on Dallas Cowboys

1256
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: dot Com and the Cowboys Mobile app for more information

1257
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: until then. For Nick Eatman and Amber Garci, I'm Derek Eagleton.

1258
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,160
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1259
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