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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we are being joined right now by

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Speaker 1: you can't believe it, but one of the most important

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite recording artists.

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Speaker 1: This is a one time platinum recorded artists artists, singer, dancer, musician.

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Speaker 2: King Princess Bamn.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to the Red Studio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, new best friends, friend, Hello.

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Speaker 2: New best friends. I am so honored to be here

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Speaker 2: discussing this saga. Yeah yeah, this epic. If you will,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be an epic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming in the pod. And

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Speaker 1: now you just went over to the I heard fridge

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Speaker 1: and rated it. What did you bring back for us?

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Speaker 1: You've got a stella there, so I have.

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Speaker 2: A delicious assortment for us from these are all Rachel's.

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Speaker 2: I just took the ones that said, for Rachel, do

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Speaker 2: not drink.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she's cool. It's Rachel's on medical leave. Actually mysterious man.

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Speaker 2: Pase, just to make sure we replace them when she

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she really shouldn't be drinking.

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Speaker 2: So I've brought us too stellar toys and then a

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Speaker 2: Guinness per the request of one, and for you, I figured,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you were you were giving Guinness.

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Speaker 1: I'm more of a stellar girl.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I would say you're one of the most stellar

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Speaker 2: I mean this is the gender spectrum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is in a room Kinsey.

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Speaker 2: And I'm opposers through so I'm.

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Speaker 2: You know who else loves an upper and a downer?

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Speaker 2: We asked to what books do you want to read?

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Speaker 2: And you said a name that is so near and

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yes, Mama.

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Speaker 2: We had to say yeah, kid, that sounds wicked.

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Speaker 1: Of course we're talking about I guess multi platinum, but

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Speaker 2: Of course, we are talking about Borrow Native Say It

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Speaker 2: with Us, also known as Joanna Leaves, and her new

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Speaker 2: I love that Northeastern has a really dope sociology program.

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Speaker 1: I guess now that I'm looking at this photo, I

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Speaker 4: Those are some mass eyebrows if I've ever seen so.

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Speaker 3: And it was waxed, drawn on to the God's tattoos.

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Speaker 2: Thin supermodels of women and she's not you know, she

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Speaker 4: She reminds me of just so many girls from middle school.

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Speaker 2: She got thirty two d's at twenty one. Stag gotcha

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Speaker 2: Not today? Why can't I be me? No, my breast

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Speaker 2: Well that's when it actually stunts you the most, which

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Speaker 2: But no, when my breast came in, it was a

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Speaker 2: And that's I almost feel that I need to keep them,

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Speaker 1: As Jojo did when she got an augmentation at twenty one,

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Speaker 1: It was all because of a photo that emerged of

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Speaker 2: Which I found, I look, they look great, they look fabulous.

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Speaker 1: She describes them as sitting, and they're sitting like any

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Speaker 2: As opposed to what fly fly.

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Speaker 1: They're like, okay, like many women in the industry and

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Speaker 2: Well, this is why I love her, because she's like

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Speaker 2: I don't. I would not change positions with those women

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Speaker 2: Pretty much start to finish, she was almost sort of

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Speaker 2: excited when she was re releasing because songs like like

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Speaker 4: In, Yeah, she was basically at the tail end, and

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Speaker 3: So she was managed seven Out under Bye.

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Speaker 4: Barry who ran Background, who was the uncle of Aliah,

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Speaker 1: So then she's like literally eleven, and she's like this

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Speaker 2: You literally wait, you joke, No, guys, it was a

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Speaker 2: And you're kind of like, okay, well there was an

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Speaker 1: So she starts working with Barry and he goes. He

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I was like, her voice is it is

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Speaker 1: She was sometimes I wondered if it mattered that the

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Speaker 1: lyrics of songs like Homeboy didn't resemble my life real

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Speaker 1: life and the slightest My Homie since knee High. We

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Speaker 2: Her poverty was a little different. Yeah, you know, I've

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Speaker 2: seen Jojo live, no fucking way. The year was two

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Speaker 4: But she was at the Topsfield County Fair, which is

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Speaker 4: get Yes, it was a kermault where she did Leave

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Speaker 4: doing it dance like on like big hay bales, And

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I'm seeing a star.

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Speaker 3: Someone become a star right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean yes. Is this around the time that she

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Speaker 1: Cutlets for Leave for Leep. It must have been.

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Speaker 2: During this era. I feel like the song had come

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Speaker 1: Yet, and they were like, we're gonna make your tits bigger. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And they also were like make sure you don't eat.

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Speaker 2: But also I noticed that she talks a lot about

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Speaker 3: She wants I saw how horny she is in this book.

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Speaker 2: She wants cough. You know what I love the most

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I more refreshed, ye, Like I.

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Speaker 2: Will take a good cock loving woman any day for

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Speaker 1: I guess it.

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Speaker 2: Means so much to me when women are brave enough

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Speaker 2: It's like, I love a Sabrina Carpenter, I love a Jojo.

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Speaker 1: When she talks about like goth teacher, she will not

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Speaker 1: just like, no, she was cool. She to date Marilyn Manson,

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Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't very It seems like wasn't very touchy

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Speaker 4: No, because she probably was like I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like that's how she said it. But then

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Speaker 4: Like it actually is like guy fantasy, where it's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would just watch her moisturize, and she was like

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Speaker 3: She was so moisturized under him.

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Speaker 2: Just imagine her going like this, I remember the first

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Speaker 1: I do want to just get into this question about

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Speaker 2: That like.

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Speaker 3: Ferry got to where he is for some reason, right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like she kind of wants to think, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Audio because about Eazy it is like you're.

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Speaker 1: Well, which she says, my dad once took me to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard about it. I just blacked down that

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Speaker 1: She's like, oh, like people didn't want me singing these

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Speaker 2: Was a young artist who is figuring out what she

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Speaker 2: you know. And for some of the songs just weren't

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Speaker 1: more like a lot of the other stuff that was

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Speaker 1: on the radio. But I would have loved if she

441
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Speaker 1: had gone in like a more like Amrie place, if

442
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: she was like I'm so inspired by the black culture

443
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: and the diaspora that I'm surrounded by. And then I'm

444
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: like reading the autobiography of Malcolm X and like getting

445
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: really inspired by history. Like, but she just like stayed

446
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Speaker 1: in this kind of bland space.

447
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Speaker 4: Well, I think, she says though, Like even like later

448
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Speaker 4: on when she runs into Bruno mars right.

449
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: And it doesn't take the meeting with the head of

450
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Speaker 1: Atlantic that he offers.

451
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: To yeah, and he's like, hey, do you wanna just

452
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Speaker 4: sit on these beautiful benches on the Innerscope campus and

453
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Speaker 4: like you know, have coffee with us? And she literally

454
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: freezes and is like, oh no, you guys go on

455
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: and realize she says, like I was just kind of yes,

456
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Speaker 4: she has her like passions for her favorite types of music,

457
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: but she was just kind of always leaving it to

458
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Speaker 4: her manager or her mom to be like this is

459
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Speaker 4: what you should do.

460
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Speaker 2: She didn't have autonomy. I mean she was, you know,

461
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: being that young and people making decisions for you. She

462
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: was very much saying yes to like all these things

463
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Speaker 2: that were you.

464
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Speaker 1: Know, men, men of men tell her. And then the mom,

465
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Speaker 1: who was like an alcoholic and like was at the

466
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Speaker 1: same time that she was trying to like fight for

467
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Speaker 1: her daughter to not be steamrolled by all these different guys.

468
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: Was also just like being weird, and yeah she was.

469
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Also she was out of her league too. The mother

470
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Speaker 2: was like sitting and there was moments where there was

471
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Speaker 2: a lot of posturing on both of their parts of

472
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: being like yeah, like we totally get it, and then

473
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: like being signs of this contract and being like oh shit,

474
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: like you know and I think, and so her contract,

475
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: by the way, and say, it was a seven album deal,

476
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: which is by the way, they still put those yeah

477
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Speaker 2: on the table, and if you don't have a lawyer,

478
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: that's like, girl, what you're fucked? Seven records? Seven records

479
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: they want you for your entire life. And then you know,

480
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: the crazy part about her deal is that seven records,

481
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Speaker 2: but they were barring her from putting out music. They

482
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Speaker 2: couldn't get distributions, so they couldn't figure out who was

483
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Speaker 2: going to actually, you know, fund and put out these records,

484
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Speaker 2: and they weren't happy with what she was making. So

485
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Speaker 2: she was stuck in the seven record deal but not

486
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Speaker 2: able to fulfill any of those seven records. So she

487
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Speaker 2: files bankruptcy, which was a really interesting plot interesting plot

488
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: in Move On that they were like, the only thing

489
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: you can do as well for bankrupts because you're basically

490
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: saying you are not letting me make money, so therefore

491
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Speaker 2: I'm going to file bankruptcy because you are barring me

492
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: from making any income for the record deal or myself.

493
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: And they were like doing that thing where they're like

494
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: making music videos but she's paying for them. But so

495
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: she owes them now like hundreds of thousands for the

496
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Speaker 2: music videos that aren't even being released, and she's always

497
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Speaker 2: on the music video being like, actually met this dancer

498
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Speaker 2: and we did have a few Hennessy and sodas. Yeah,

499
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: she loves Hennessy.

500
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: I too.

501
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a delicious beverage. I think it's good too.

502
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: There's nothing like a good Hennessy.

503
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Speaker 1: I love when she gets famous and she's like on

504
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Tierra for the first time and she's like, yeah, I

505
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: imagined all those assholes back at school in Foxborough sucking Dick.

506
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm on TIERRAU and you're sucking Dick

507
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Speaker 1: in the back of a Ford Focus.

508
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Speaker 2: Now you two feel being here at the iHeart Studios,

509
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: looking back at your comrades from school, saying they're just

510
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Speaker 2: sucking dick now.

511
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Speaker 1: The way they're not. They're a beautiful like townhouse in Charleston, and.

512
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Speaker 2: You're like fighting a rat, like you're having a fist

513
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: fight right around. Yeah, okay, we get like a renewed

514
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: on my heart. So like, Bill, what about a blow job?

515
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Speaker 4: January tenth, I hauntle it in speaking of real estate

516
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Speaker 4: in Boston, I would just love to describe when she

517
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Speaker 4: gets aloft, please Boston, and this is when she breaks

518
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Speaker 4: down her own. A week after my birthday and closing,

519
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: I moved into my loft and an up and coming

520
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 4: part of the city that we knew was about to

521
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 4: be popping because all the gay boys were already moving.

522
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Speaker 1: There.

523
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Speaker 4: Historically had been a rougher Irish working class neighborhood, but

524
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: some of the grit was slowly but surely getting wiped away.

525
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: Shout out to hashtag gentrification.

526
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: Was a renovated printing press.

527
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: From the nineteen hundreds, with the dining room that used

528
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: to be an elevator shaft, with high ceilings and shiny,

529
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: cracked concrete floors. My new home also still had all

530
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: its original beams and pipes, which were exposed throughout the unit.

531
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Speaker 2: It had integrity and charm that reminded me of the

532
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: type of artist I wanted to be.

533
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: This is always the moment though I feel in artist career,

534
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: and you know, reminds me of Nico Tortorella.

535
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: Can we just take just one moment, that episode and

536
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 2: that book if you can even I mean it is.

537
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I love hearing the fan perspective.

538
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: From a single platinum finding his from a single platinum artist.

539
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: Listening stoned in bed to you talking about Nico Torderella's

540
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: and was really special. God, what a special book. True

541
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: feels like kind of like a girl who.

542
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: Likes anal Oh.

543
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: First of all, she rides cock like a championship, like

544
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: that woman is.

545
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: She describes the when she's the guy that she was like, Yeah,

546
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: we were going to a lot of like clubs together

547
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: and then one night we found ourselves at his la

548
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: house and then I was straddling him. She's so like

549
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: chance on straddle and like I could feel his direction.

550
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: Jeans right around the crash area.

551
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: Bra is like lifting up the thirty two d's still on.

552
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: The bras on, the pants are on, but the shirts off.

553
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah it's sad, Yeah, okay, but then I'm interested in

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: this era of her opening for Usher, I really am.

555
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it because.

556
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: She's on the tour when they only meet once.

557
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: They meet once, which is that weird?

558
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: Artist.

559
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever opened for someone bigger than you or

560
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: had someone open for you that you never spoke to.

561
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: I've been on a tour, I've had very limited interactions

562
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: okay with the person, and you know, everyone does it differently.

563
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: And then I've been on tour with like friends where

564
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: you're just like, hey, like in what I felt comfortable

565
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: walking in, Like when I was on tour with Florence,

566
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Like I could just walk into her dress room and

567
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: be like, what's up?

568
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: And she's like, which dress?

569
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like that one is kind you know, like

570
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: which is amazing? And like the best case Florence, Yeah,

571
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: that was also you were trying to become a single platinum.

572
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you didn't get there. And sometimes it doesn't work.

573
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: We're she's still trapped and you're a terrible deal. But

574
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: so she goes on this tour, she doesn't really meet him,

575
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: and she's on tour on a bus, but there's two buses,

576
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: so the dancers, everybody who's.

577
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Like, there's the cool bus.

578
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Well there's the bus that's like people of age to drink,

579
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: and then there's like her, and she's like, I fucking

580
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: mom and her mom nightmare. I want to be on

581
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: that other bus, she says.

582
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: Can you imagine being like fourteen and seeing this like

583
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: bus full of like like drinking, doing lines and you're

584
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: with your mom She's drinking Kyanti out of a plastic cup.

585
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Like yes, that would be evil, irresistible. Almost gay dancers, right,

586
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: literally gay dancers. I would be running full sprint, charging

587
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: like the kool aid man through that fucking bus.

588
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: What I thought was weird, though, was when she meets Ushirt,

589
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: they do it like they weave her into the fan

590
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: meet and greet.

591
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: She can't even seem respect Like two were buses.

592
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: It would have been nicer of him to be like,

593
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: come to fucking dress for what they make it so

594
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: like do you want to sing a song with me?

595
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: Or that would be the best case scenario because her interaction.

596
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: With Britney was like so beautiful.

597
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: Stunning, whereat she had to sing her way through fucking

598
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: She had to literally level up like a game show.

599
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: It was much more a game show and a Star

600
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: is Warm where they like, bring her to Brittany and

601
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: everyone's like, okay, sing She's like thirteen, and then Brittany's like,

602
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: oh my god.

603
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: You are so damn cute. I love you.

604
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: You're really cute.

605
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, good luck with everything. Let's take a photo.

606
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Who do you think was the mean celebrity on Tierro?

607
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: I was thinking it was Mariah at first.

608
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Right, let me just read the passage. I'll also never

609
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: forget the bitchery of another pop star I interacted with

610
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: when I went to Tiroll to prove my song on

611
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: a movie soundtrack. We were both on okay, so we

612
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: could probably figure this out. The movie sneered and snickered.

613
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Get on it fact checker, looking me up and down.

614
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Did she really just roll her eyes at me? Or

615
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: was I imagining that? I went to give her a

616
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: polite kiss on the cheek when I greeted her on set,

617
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: as I'd seen Mitch and famous people do, and she

618
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: pushed me away from her with an outstretched arm. I

619
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: didn't know what I'd done to warrant this kind of treatment,

620
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: but I felt like she wanted to send me a

621
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: message that I was not worthy of her attention. The

622
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: saddest part of the whole interaction was this woman whose

623
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: voice and vision I idolized growing up. I'd watched every

624
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: single interview in video behind the scenes tape that existed.

625
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: My uncle Dale, who had driven down from Foxborn of

626
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Manhattan to join me, had said hello in the hallway

627
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: and she literally just said no haw part.

628
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Dale's being so like, Hey, what's.

629
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: That so okay she was on? I was like, Oh,

630
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: is it like Christina?

631
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she's so trl was she on the haw

632
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: Guamaran soundtrack?

633
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: What did you just call it a guamaran?

634
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: The name of like a kind of okay facecream Aquamaran.

635
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: That's that movie that she's where she's like the third leader.

636
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: And I know what, it's offensive to me that you're

637
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: you're I know, I'm I'm so young.

638
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: I have a weird inside joke where we say aquamaran

639
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: like that that we've had since we were thirteen and so.

640
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: Weird and nerding. I love that.

641
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: Now that I know that it's.

642
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: I'll only referred to it as Aquamaran. But yes, of

643
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: course I know that movie. I know you think I'm

644
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: like the new John Benet or something. I'm so young,

645
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: but it could definitely be Christina Aguilera one and fifty. Yeah,

646
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: because wouldn't Christina say no? Absolutely, And it makes sense

647
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: that she makes a point to mention Brittany and how

648
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: sweet Brittany was.

649
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

650
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Well then also remember she brings up Christina was also

651
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: ristin a girl, because.

652
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like, who would she have seen on TRL

653
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: that she had also grown up idolizing?

654
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: Like it's she loves Christina that she says she is

655
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: the most Yeah singer, do your Christine impression? Hey?

656
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: How's that?

657
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: That was really good? Okay?

658
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Your My favorite quote of this book is please tell

659
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: us alcohol, maybe not give a fuck?

660
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I wrote, I wrote that down. That's written down in

661
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: mine as well. That's one of my favorite alcohol.

662
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: Maybe I want to give a fuck?

663
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: And I was ready to not give any fuck.

664
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the use of in the way she.

665
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Keeps describing alcohol through the book as if it's like

666
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: to someone who's never drank before and it's also her

667
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: first time. She keeps being like, and of course alcohol

668
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: helped loosen everybody's inhibitions. And of course I knew that

669
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I might drink a little, which would help me feel

670
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: more confident in my skin and talk to other people

671
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: at the party, and it's.

672
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: Just like, can I tell you my favorite lyric? Please? Yes?

673
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm way too sober. Where the weed at?

674
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I love that drug?

675
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: I was literally like, yes, You're like, do you have

676
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: a napkin?

677
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

678
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: Old a nasty bar? Yeah, hell a nasty bar. I

679
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: how do you write? Is that how it goes? Like?

680
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: You're like, give me a matchbook. I just had an idea, well,

681
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: a question I have for the two of you. Is

682
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: it common in the musician celebrity memoirs that they do

683
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: these sort of slam poetry readings of the song lyrics.

684
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they're trying to show how the lyrics look

685
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: on the page, but also see like how it reflected

686
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: what they were going through with their life at the time.

687
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: Because may I can I play you something?

688
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: Oh wait, it's just very quick.

689
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Okay, don't don't look.

690
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 6: I'm just so nervous about the right have a sup

691
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 6: of alcohol and give no books?

692
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: Okay giving, I'm gonna do it.

693
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Do whatever you want, so she sings the chapters in

694
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: the audiobook. Here just let me, Oh my god, wait,

695
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: you take my setup. I how scared you got to? Well?

696
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: You were like having your full pack.

697
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Producer because I feel like, shout out Darby. I was

698
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: worried about having the legal rights to play whatever you

699
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: were going to play.

700
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I legally bought famously was signed to Sony

701
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: and I had a song called p S five on

702
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: my last album and Sony owns PlayStation and they wouldn't know,

703
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: they would not they would not let me call it.

704
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: But you were like, hello girl.

705
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: They did not feel about the place station enough about it.

706
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: I thought it was I was, you know, talking about

707
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: like being in my underwear and like playing p S

708
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: five and like pussy You.

709
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: Actually like didn't describe the hard drive capability.

710
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: I was like, do they need me to do a

711
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: manual like the Man six.

712
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: You know who's a long time Sony had is j

713
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: Lo I love. Did you guys ever see each other

714
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: at like a meat and greet her fan?

715
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: No? I do not know Miss Low. Okay, I'm not

716
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: personally equated with Miss Low, but I print. But but

717
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 2: one thing about her is that when her movie came

718
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: out This is Me Now Now, I hosted for my

719
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: castmates of the show. I was just in a screening

720
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: on my laptop and I made charcuterie plates and it

721
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: was black tie. I made Christine Baranski sit on my

722
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: couch in my hotel room in a village in Austria

723
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: and watch start to finish that.

724
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: Whole movie on a laptop.

725
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: On a laptop. Damn beautiful black tie outfit on black skirt, suit, jacket.

726
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: It was stunning and red lipstick. I was in a

727
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: Gucci suit. Everyone was. It was black. Everyone really did it.

728
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: And I interviewed everyone with a salami.

729
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: You are so fine friend. In the cast, we saw

730
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: Christine Marenski recently, our favorite Mintown restaurant, out to Michael's.

731
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I think I've been to Michaels with Christine. She was like, Darling,

732
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: you gotta come to Michael's with me.

733
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: She looked so exactly like she's.

734
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: And don't go there too the Broadway because we will

735
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: go see shows together.

736
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

737
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: So it's really cute and we'll get like a steak

738
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: in Martini before. Oh my god, she cultures me. I

739
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: teach her about subpart meme culture. She actually shows me

740
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: good ship. I'm like cool, I'm like, this is a

741
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: photo on it.

742
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: She's like that's great.

743
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Wait do you think Christine has ever?

744
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? There, what do you mean you guys, Me and Christine, Yeah,

745
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: I think that, Like I'm obsessed with the concept art

746
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: that people think we're dating.

747
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: Okay and holland Taylor and.

748
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: She's always like, oh, darling, people will talk if they

749
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: see us. She is so beautifully like playful about it,

750
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's so beautiful. She is just the

751
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: ultimate like it girl, right, Like she's like this will

752
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: be hilarious character actress, just like she's the perfect type

753
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: of famous. She's respected, she's beloved, and she does exactly

754
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: what she wants in life. But she's also just like

755
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: you could have a beer with her.

756
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: She loves and she's not so Taylor Swift where it's

757
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: like she's Hillary Clinton and has a chief of staff

758
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: and like no.

759
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: No, She's like, darling, I'll meet to it. Wait, can

760
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: we talk about JoJo's hangar Taylor Swift's.

761
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: To the Gallantinees And for context, this is like when

762
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: she starts getting more LA and gets into wellness, she

763
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: starts doing yoga, which she describes as yoga frustrated the

764
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: hell out of me. I wanted to get it and

765
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: be great at it instantly. Definitely wasn't it was humbling

766
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: to say the least gabb.

767
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: Or mate the spiritual thought leader that she begins to

768
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: follow as well.

769
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 4: Yes, and the church she goes, she's always like is Christian.

770
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: One of my favorite lines was I was really in

771
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: my Bible bag at that point.

772
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that kind of makes sense. And

773
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: like because she's like modern Christian music is almost like

774
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams adjacent sometimes in gospel gospel, and it's like

775
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: it's almost Christian and it's a little boring.

776
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 2: It's a story of strength.

777
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: She's always listening to Kirk Franklin, who I love pop

778
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: gospel icon, and she's always like I was sobbing down

779
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: the four h five blasting Kirk Franklin.

780
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: Well, she gets very very la fied, like she's now

781
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: becoming well and as we knows, as I know as

782
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: a child of addicts, that you know, addiction is transferable,

783
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: and you just kind of you know, if she's not

784
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: binging and smoking and all the shit, then she gets

785
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: really into the wellness thing.

786
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: It's the addictive personality. This is one of the things

787
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: I do believe that you can have an addicted personality

788
00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: or not.

789
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah I have that.

790
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need something.

791
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: Literally in my hand, what are you talking about Okay,

792
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: so right, She's in l a.

793
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: She's doing yoga.

794
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Also started hanging out with Fronti Erassa, who is the

795
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: friend of Selena Gomez who gave her her kidney by

796
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: the way, and.

797
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: Is now a little bit mad at Selena because she

798
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: feels like Selena doesn't like hang out with her, Like, yeah, it's.

799
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Like I got one kidney.

800
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: I fucking gave you my kidney, bitch.

801
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: Would you do that for each other?

802
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: For Selena?

803
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: Go for each other? Okay, just picture this Lily on

804
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: a slab, lab of concrete or laying like this in

805
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: the hospital, dark circles. I know kidney failure.

806
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I know for some reason, my I am the.

807
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah are you saying yes this is concerned? Yeah? No,

808
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the answer I give mine. I guess

809
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: ship with this one.

810
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm also I feel like I would be like, are

811
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you sure you whirl? I just feel like, here's the thing,

812
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: is my kidney is like so mad, you know what

813
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: I mean? Like like I just.

814
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: Think, like, can Princess is getting to be a better Max?

815
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Like is gonna be.

816
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: Weird any of my pickled organs. I might be twenty five,

817
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: but I am like, oh man, I'm scared that the

818
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: lung is giving char broiled.

819
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 4: I give you blood, like I feel like I aldo

820
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 4: with my kidney would be like I just beelve.

821
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: We can find a better one.

822
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 7: Yes, that's how I and I would really get on

823
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 7: the case. Yes, no, I would find I would be

824
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 7: jogged about finding a better one, and like hopefully it

825
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 7: wouldn't come from just like the Israeli black market of like,

826
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 7: but like I don't know, would my thirty seven year

827
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 7: old kidney, you know.

828
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: And we would just it would just come up all

829
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: the time.

830
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: Right it would. I don't want to be this thing

831
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: where it's like it would.

832
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: Be awkward, right it's And then we're getting Martini's and

833
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: you're like looking at me being like you're gonna write a.

834
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Check for ten k? Yeah, I love that. I love

835
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: writing a check for ten k to a friend with

836
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: no expectations beginning to back. I think that's so important

837
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: to do for friends.

838
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: But what you're saying is no, you wouldn't sort of like, yeah,

839
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: you're you're giving You're giving Lily the run around like

840
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 2: JoJo's label, no straight answers.

841
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Here, Lily, you're giving me one of your dopest Italian American.

842
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 4: Past, Italian American heritage kidneys, her gabba ghouls. Yeah again,

843
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: I think there's too many night rates of them, Like

844
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: I just think, Yeah, I just think we already have

845
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: so little boundaries between us.

846
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, it's like important to maintain at least

847
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: for so many years.

848
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: I must say, like boundaries are a huge theme in

849
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: this book. Yeah, having them not having them. Yeah, her

850
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: and her manager m m mm is toxic. IMMS toxic,

851
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: But I think Jojo is too. And I think they

852
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: literally were too comfortable with each other to the point

853
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: where they're screaming before a meeting. Like, you can't be screaming.

854
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: I've been there. It's tough. You're working with someone, you're

855
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: dealing with them every day, and it's so unprofessionally like

856
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: day and night. The fight they had, I feel like,

857
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: was so real, where they were fighting about three different

858
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: versions of a song that were all so slightly different,

859
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: and it's like they had so much baggage with each

860
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: other that they couldn't see clear and they're like, we're

861
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: just screaming.

862
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: They don't know that the fight's not about the song, Yeah.

863
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: No, about the high hat and this guy's coming in

864
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: being like what I do.

865
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: Feel like on some level, JoJo's original sin is that

866
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: it's like she mentions like Rihanna and Lady gagas so

867
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: much in this book, who are like incredibly creative artists,

868
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: and like Jojo just frankly doesn't have that same level

869
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: of like inspiration and newness. Like she's a singer and

870
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: she puts her whole ass and her sitting titties into

871
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: her vocals, but like she is not such a conceptual

872
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: person and she's not coming up with like new concepts

873
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: and like having an idea that she wants to express

874
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: other than like what if it sounded I don't know real.

875
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: They didn't want her to explore the concept art of

876
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: her being kind of the people's you know, white person

877
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: because it's weird because they think with Gaga and you

878
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: know Rihanna, it's like yes, and they figured out a

879
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: style lay, they figured out what they're you know, like

880
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: Gaga's videos, you know, when fucking Alejandro and check them out.

881
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: You're like, that's Gaga, that's her, that's what she does.

882
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: She does this alien new thing, and it's like Jojo

883
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: just didn't you know, she should have just been jeans

884
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: T shirt girl. Yeah, she should have just been no dresses,

885
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: no gowns.

886
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: When Barry told her to not do that Disney show

887
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: that that was.

888
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: A mistake, a huge fucking mistake because.

889
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: She's a literally fucking teenager and that's like the most

890
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: classic route is you do the Miley.

891
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: But he didn't want he wasn't gonna take any like,

892
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: was he gonna take money. I'm so curious what her

893
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: deal looks like. I actually called my friend last night,

894
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: Justin Trampter, who is named in this book. Oh oh

895
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: he's a songwriter.

896
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wait, he's like a really famous.

897
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous person. I called him and I was

898
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: drunk last night, obviously railing the Jojo book, railing it

899
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: night before, and I was like, how much do you

900
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: think she was signed for? Like originally? And he was like,

901
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: not over fifty.

902
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Grand, No way.

903
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: I thought. Initially, I was like, maybe it was during

904
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: that era where they would throw out like a million.

905
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Dollar deal for sure, it was so assuming.

906
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And I think that it must

907
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: have been a three sixty, which means that they're dipping

908
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: into touring, their dipping into any use of her face.

909
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: And body outside of just performing as well.

910
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: As the Aquamaran money.

911
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: They had the money, which is why I'm confused about

912
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: the Disney thing, why he wouldn't have won her little payback.

913
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: But that being said, maybe I don't know she wasn't

914
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: going to spend enough time on music or right, They're like,

915
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: well your brand is going to.

916
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: Be more sounded like he wouldn't have enough creative control

917
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: over the project, and that's what he was worried about.

918
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: Was he trying to push her to be more like

919
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: sexy slut vibes? Because that was what I was kind

920
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: of trying to figure out, is like, did they want

921
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: her to see me young or did they want her

922
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: because she wanted to appear older? What do you think

923
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: Barrie's perspective? Barry wanted her to.

924
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Be probably more like a LEAs teen space of wearing

925
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: a halter in jeans sneakers.

926
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: But he was also very like to get in, yeah,

927
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 6: age is something but a number, and she was just like, yeah,

928
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 6: I'm marrying r Kelly, Like I am gonna be young

929
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 6: but old and like Brittany, her like biggest innovation was

930
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 6: being like, what if I did the Lolita thing and

931
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: I got like older guys to be horny for me

932
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 6: and like play up the fact that I'm mature for

933
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 6: my age and that I'm seventeen but have tits.

934
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: It's like the idea was like the naughtiness of being like, look,

935
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: she's too young to be sexy.

936
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: True, but I think the reality was she was too

937
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: young to have that big a voice. That was the

938
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: selling point. They should have had her fucking singing. I mean,

939
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm maybe I'm speaking out of my ass,

940
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: but she should have been doing every fucking national anthem.

941
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: She should have been doing like all that late night

942
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: ship like now when you see like an Oriana Grande

943
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: going on like with James Corden or whoever and doing

944
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: like impersonations or whatever she should.

945
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: Have been doing.

946
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: But I didn't have all of that. So that was

947
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: what I did.

948
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: Walk so orion and could run in this way where

949
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: like Ariana is like silly but a pop star but

950
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: has a gay brother, and like is everyone's like God and.

951
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: I and I pray every day that her gay brother

952
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: releases a book so I can come back on this.

953
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Podcastran Oh, I'm sure he will. I'm right, We'll say

954
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: just a criticize woman again, though I will say please,

955
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I do think that Jojo does do a little too

956
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: much with the vocal runs, and she relays this criticism

957
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: that she gets throughout like you know, sessions like girl

958
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: She's Been Too and like in a lot of the songs,

959
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: the verses like I find it hard to actually partigure

960
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: what the melody is because you're not even hearing the

961
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: melody because there's so many runs up and down.

962
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: Well, then then should she have gone like an Zmraldspalding

963
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: route And then like remember when she been very that

964
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Jazzmine Sullivan route where it's like she's sweeping Grammys and

965
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: yet she's kind of out of the mainstream.

966
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: But then there's this part of her jazz R and B.

967
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Everyone's just like Gentlemine. She's the most respected person alive.

968
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is if she wanted to be that,

969
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 2: I think she would have had to stifle a big

970
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: part of herself that wanted to be famous. And the

971
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: famous part is the part that yes, it's conflicting yes.

972
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Because she's always thinking they're telling me I need to

973
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: be this pop star. She calls herself a pop star constantly.

974
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: And then she's always like mad that She's like, well,

975
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: this doesn't sound like the huge comeback I was gonna have. Yeah,

976
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: And when she does that song which is insane fuck

977
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: apologies with was Khalif Love, which I love and that

978
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 4: is more like R and B. And she was happy,

979
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: but then she's still mad.

980
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: At that choice.

981
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: You know what, Remember Marvin's Room, which so good. That

982
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: song is so good. The Drake cover, which is also

983
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: you can't get it on Spotify.

984
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: No, it's on YouTube. It's so good where it was.

985
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Just like the voice.

986
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really I think we're still on a tangent

987
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: from the Gallanentines party. We're in an internal Galentine's tangent.

988
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: We haven't even covered it. Let me just read this.

989
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: Can I get another beer from Rachel's thing?

990
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Go steal Laurence Bear As I read this past we'll

991
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: do the passage. For Gallentine's Day, Selena invited me to

992
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's house so we could all celebrate. Taylor had

993
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: this arts and craft section set up. It's so funny.

994
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: Taylor her nerdy middle school ass.

995
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: It's like so parks and wreck.

996
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Taylor had this arts and craft section set where we

997
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: took pictures of ourselves and slapped them on this cute

998
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: questionnaire where we described our best qualities and our worst ones,

999
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: the things we were looking for in a guy, and

1000
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: the reasons why we were currently saying.

1001
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: She's fully having her assistant like type out and make

1002
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: these crazy photoshops.

1003
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Plastic ass questionnaire with like gluen stick photos of yourself.

1004
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: Okay, And then, because I feel like Jojo is kind

1005
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: of badass, I snuck outside to the in and out

1006
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 4: truck on her lawn to grab a burger fries and

1007
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: diet coke, but also went out there to text the guy.

1008
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm really sneaking that Taylor has hired it in and

1009
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: out truck, in and out truck.

1010
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: I want to not be judgmental of this, because I

1011
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: think that it's beautiful that this happened to her, but

1012
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: I would feel so uncomfortable in this set.

1013
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 7: Taylor Galine's party questionneers about like god questionnaires gallantines.

1014
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 3: And Taylor's like, are you guys having so much fun?

1015
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: And we're like, yeah, are no?

1016
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 4: Do you need any more like diet coke or nerds,

1017
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: or like sour candies or sour patchkins.

1018
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: I have a whole drawing it's.

1019
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: Very unmaking cookies as well. It's very bad. I like

1020
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: it for Jojo because she says she has never experience.

1021
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: It's this type of kindness, the camaraderie from other women

1022
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: in the industry. But then it's sad and she's like, damn,

1023
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm just a girl from Foxborough. She's like they all

1024
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: looked at me, like with so much pity because like

1025
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't get out of my like record, and it's kind.

1026
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: Of like, I don't even know if a lot of

1027
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: girls are really thinking that hard about your record.

1028
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, although when you see something, I've literally been not

1029
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: like in this situation, but like I've experienced what it's

1030
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: like the major label system, and I also met really

1031
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: kind people who are like, yeah, they're not letting me

1032
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: put out music, and like, yeah, it is sad. It

1033
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: is sad. I could see these women being like, damn,

1034
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: bitch that Selena's giving her a massage. Selena's giving her

1035
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: a lesbian It's a massage train situation. It's a human centipede.

1036
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: It's like bak lively Selena the kidney girl.

1037
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 2: It's still very tender.

1038
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: Yo. These are some dope segments.

1039
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: Where Hella segmented.

1040
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: What does she wearing?

1041
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 2: What does she eat?

1042
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: How does she live?

1043
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: Dopely? Extremely dopely.

1044
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 6: It's gray, but yeah, you're just thinking, like the everything

1045
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 6: is gray.

1046
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: The counters are marble, marble counters, marble, gray floors, gray

1047
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: restoration hardware.

1048
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: She back in her like greater Boston condo, I think,

1049
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: or like six bedroom house.

1050
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: Is six bedroom LA. It's definitely like a motown post

1051
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: bedroom LA. I don't know what the money she has.

1052
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: Should I google her network?

1053
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: I feel like she does have a weird suburban house

1054
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: in Boston.

1055
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: It says she's worth about seven million.

1056
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: Damn.

1057
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: But you know that's okay. So she was recently also

1058
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: in Milan Rouge and she had an apartment in the

1059
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: Central Park West.

1060
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty dope, which she loved. That was furnished,

1061
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: so okay, she was renting this She was renting.

1062
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: And was like it was so cool, like I got

1063
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: to walk to the studio.

1064
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: Okay, what does she wear?

1065
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: I think she's in yoga clothes, like sexy yoga clothes

1066
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: a lot. She's in Lulu, she's in Free People.

1067
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: It's a high waisted and a crop.

1068
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that now in her like book era.

1069
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: She's like learning about girl boss swag, and so she

1070
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: is wearing blazers because she's been like, I'm giving up

1071
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: CEO energy now, so I have to be blazers.

1072
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: Is it like turtleneck sweater? I still think, but I

1073
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: do think everything is.

1074
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: I think it's cropped, like the Holy hell. I mean,

1075
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: she didn't get that augmentation not to wear a crop.

1076
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 2: She's not putting her arms in a blazer on the shoulders. Blazers,

1077
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: the blazers on the shoulders.

1078
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's like, I'm sorry, heels are weird. I'm

1079
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: rocking sneaks.

1080
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: The necklace but it says.

1081
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: Her rescue, which also means like life.

1082
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, looks exactly as I pictured.

1083
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: So would you like like a Really.

1084
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: It's always the stringiest she's forgotten about mut someone left

1085
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: you on the side of the road, just like me. Yeah.

1086
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. It's like a kind of terrier face.

1087
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh and wait, she has a trouble cleft tattooed

1088
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 2: on her neck. I love that part.

1089
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: Did she literally not have like several stars like tattooeds somewhere?

1090
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: She's so stars.

1091
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 4: Clover, do you have any musical symbols someone who got

1092
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: out of.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to like because I don't know what

1094
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: it's appropriate, especially since we're, you know, in mixed company.

1095
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: But I have a huge bass cleft on my bag.

1096
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a bass class.

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00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's deep, you know.

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00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: I do feel like she's gonna person who has like

1099
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: the tattoos in the additive of someone who like went

1100
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: to rehub for math, even though she didn't.

1101
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, forgive me, but she did not read.

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00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: She kept like waiting because this book is called Over

1103
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the Influences, and I kept waiting for the rehab to happen.

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00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 4: But okay, if anyone else was comun the end of

1105
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: the books about her calling her friend to be like,

1106
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: can I go to AA with you? But one of

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00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: the last sentences of the book is her sipping white

1108
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 4: wine in New Zealand. Like, as I typed on this document,

1109
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: it's unclear about where she.

1110
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: Stands on her alcohol. Maybe she conquered it.

1111
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it sounded more like she's like, I

1112
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 4: need to behave differently with alcohol, but like we're absolutely

1113
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: a vineyard right now, but I need to do my

1114
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: culture and go to AA.

1115
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: My mom who's thirty eight years sober, would be like, yeah,

1116
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: check it out, see what's there for you? Like that's

1117
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: also I think are more just like check it out,

1118
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, because it's people telling their stories, and it's

1119
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: like there is a beauty to that, even if you're like,

1120
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: you know what, not for me. It's the community, right,

1121
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: I agree? And again I'm not racing over there. I'm

1122
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: not I'm not sprinted. What did she eat macha so much? Much?

1123
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: Just the powder when she when.

1124
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: She asked her soul fula macha if.

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00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: He wants to meet for mancha, She's like, I left

1126
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: that meeting no engagement ring full of macha. Yeah. Freedom,

1127
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: it's giving, it's giving. Cafe Gratitude, Are you feeling nourished today?

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00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: She's like going to a cool new vegan soul food place.

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00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: Vegan tacos vibe like lots of satan. Yeah, red one

1130
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: a bowl of satan.

1131
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: That could be the title of her next album.

1132
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: Okay, worry in the book, obviously you're jojo.

1133
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred.

1134
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: I think we all got a.

1135
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: Little jojo am i Christina Aguilera being like, don't touch me,

1136
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: uncle Dale, No, I'm so Chillawn and Dale.

1137
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: You're the guy she's making news. Uh, Vince who.

1138
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: Moves on to Lady Gaga.

1139
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're very that because you have that shade. Yeah,

1140
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: it's in you where you're being like girl, you know

1141
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: I do anything for you, but but you my sister

1142
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: and all, but I gotta move on to g We.

1143
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: Know that neither of us are Francesca Raisa.

1144
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: No kidneys inside? Who are you? My her dad? With

1145
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: my big paw around cool. I think I'd be really

1146
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: good at being to a manager a little bit here.

1147
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I give this book maybe like

1148
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: three out of five coulatas. I do like her story,

1149
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: and I love the light it shines on.

1150
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: Music industry and Boston.

1151
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: There is a lot of just like it's about the

1152
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: label and it's about.

1153
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: This I'm with you, only three lofts and gentrified South

1154
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: Boston out of five.

1155
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think she's like, you know, one of

1156
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: the greatest bards that I've had, but she.

1157
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: Is also like has some bars that she drops where

1158
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: she's like, look at me right into Nobu in a

1159
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: sluty dress, not fucked up enough. Where are the weed

1160
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: att Yeah, you're like, then there are these things that

1161
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 4: come out there.

1162
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: I give it. Can I give it three out of five?

1163
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: Four leaf clovers?

1164
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 8: Ultra rare, ultra rare, four leaf clovers, because you know what,

1165
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 8: I did find myself going this is an important memoir

1166
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 8: for young people to in the music industry to read

1167
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 8: in that she does do a really great job of

1168
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 8: detailing the legalities of contracts and what it looks.

1169
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: Like to be If I should teach this at law school, yeah,

1170
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: actually I'm working right now on an adaptation will be

1171
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to go teach at Harvard and my

1172
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: class is called.

1173
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: Jojo Launch, like a legal app for creators.

1174
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: Pross, and we sign her to that and then people

1175
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: who sign up I mean as as I I'm sure

1176
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: you guys feel to. I don't think famous people should

1177
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: write books, but I'm so glad they do because then

1178
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: you get books from them and you get to hear

1179
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: their info. I wish there was more gossip. Yeah, did

1180
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: you guys get.

1181
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: There was a lot of gossip, but it was just

1182
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: like more and away from a like her life about guys.

1183
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm the soccer player that she was dating, and like other.

1184
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: Guys who played her music and then cheated on her

1185
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: with their friend. She cheated on them with her friends

1186
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: in basketball with her friends. Cousin's guy a cologist about it.

1187
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: It's not gossip and a celebrity way. It's just like

1188
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: I was so bad I couldn't resist his cousin.

1189
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: I did find kind of annoying when she was always

1190
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: like it was the worst thing I've ever done. I

1191
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: can't believe I did. I know it was wrong. I

1192
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: know cheating is so bad.

1193
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: It's the worst crime.

1194
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: You could commit. And it's like, girl, whatever you went

1195
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: to Fox was and fucked this DJ, Like it's actually

1196
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: not the end of the world. I forgive yourself, Like

1197
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: where is all the feminist empowerment that down all this

1198
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: on your screen? Like there's nothing worse than cheating.

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01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: Well, for her, that's a big herd. Continue is doing it.

1200
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: She's in her bible bag. She's in her bible bag

1201
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: and her you know, I'm glad she's not with the

1202
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: fucking fiance guy. You cheated, It's like, fuck that, And yes,

1203
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: I think he was love bombing. She hated the fucking house.

1204
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, but like, I don't know if

1205
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: that's a straight people thing, but if I walked into

1206
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: somebody's house, I was stating and it was disgusting. I'd

1207
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: be like, give me your credit. Oh yeah, we're either

1208
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: we're fixing this orm leaving.

1209
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done that.

1210
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: You've done that.

1211
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: Well. My boyfriend when he was living in this it

1212
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: wasn't his house, but he just moved into this house

1213
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: and I went in and I was like it was dirty. Yeah,

1214
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I got out the fantastic

1215
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: I got out the paper towels, and I was just like,

1216
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: we have to turn this place around.

1217
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you went full Marie.

1218
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just like, I condoed it up. I

1219
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: was just like, I can't.

1220
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: Bring you joy. It's a plug.

1221
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: It's a really small, but plug that you're.

1222
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, the drift accurate, the l Now we

1223
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: know who's baggy so much.

1224
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: This is such a joy.

1225
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: This has been crazy dope.

1226
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you to your label for releasing you long

1227
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: enough so we.

1228
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 4: Actually can't put this episode for seven years, but I

1229
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: not a hello.

1230
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Speaker 2: Respect for you guys for following your vision and your truth.

1231
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Will release a cover of this episode.

1232
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: You could come back in the studio and we'll just

1233
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: do the same thing slightly different.

1234
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Speaker 2: Okay, say it with us. This episodes Yeah produced by

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: Darby Masters, Till Spa but Deil Spabbie Masters Masters Supervising Producer,

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01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: Abuza far Superosa Amos Executive produced by Christina Effret Exact

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01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: You Tell Him It News By This is the other

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: Man Engineer Biheid.

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: Frizzer, engineer Maheine.

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: Our artwork is done by Teddy Bikes is do mat Yeah,

1241
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: Yay yay. The songs done by Stephen Phillips Horst theme

1242
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: song dummer Steven Steve.

1243
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: And then this podcast was originally co created with Prologue Projects.

1244
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: Introscope Vibes. So in internal events, I just found out

1245
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: that this podcast is actually the intellectual.

1246
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 5: Property of what is it called Prologed Project PLO Projects

1247
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 5: and Propetuity throughout the Universe Projects.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Baby Back, Baby Back, C B C Yeah,