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Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls as always hashtag Giants Chat

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Speaker 1: will hit up the request line as we continue to

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Speaker 1: break down some individual prospects in the draft. Later on

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Speaker 1: in the show, it around twelve thirty five or twelve forty,

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Speaker 1: will have Gordy Rush L s U sideline reporter, former

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Speaker 1: L s U defensive back to get the low down

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Speaker 1: on Devin White, Greedy Williams and the other prospects coming

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Speaker 1: out of L s U. But we'll start with a

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Speaker 1: different team down south and that's all miss and joining

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Speaker 1: us to discussed the prospects coming from there is former

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Speaker 1: All American defensive back and radio analyst Harry Harrison. How

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Speaker 1: are you, John Schmok and Paul to Tino up here

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Speaker 1: in East Ruther from New Jersey inside the Giants practice facility.

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Speaker 1: How are you today? We're doing good Man it Feally

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Speaker 1: Tour Spring down here and such shots. So I'm funny.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I was talking to somebody on the phone

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Speaker 1: today who lives out in Colorado and they had a

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Speaker 1: delaye opening at school because of snow up here. It

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Speaker 1: was thirty eight degrees and I walked this dog this morning.

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Speaker 1: So if you can send some of that weather up north, Harry,

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Speaker 1: I would really appreciate it. We haven't had much yet,

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Speaker 1: It's all good. Uh So what he was one of

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Speaker 1: the Jots need this year to send you some wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some offensive lim what you do? Well?

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Speaker 1: You know what, why don't we start the offensive line?

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Speaker 1: Because the Giants are trying to find a right tackle,

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Speaker 1: and I know the LA and Oh oh Miss might

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Speaker 1: have somebody that could interest the Giants maybe either at

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Speaker 1: the end of round one or in round two. Indeed, yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously Greg Little is a gay that was invited to

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Speaker 1: very well. He's played started all three years at the

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Speaker 1: all in Texas, which is a big, big high school.

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Speaker 1: UH out in Texas that really values football. So he's

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Speaker 1: had a good a good start and then Miss took

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Speaker 1: him to the next level. Maybe you guys can take him.

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Speaker 1: But he could play both ways, no doubt he could

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Speaker 1: play left all right, six six about three you know,

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Speaker 1: like obviously a good pass walker, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: you guys may need. Harry, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: We were at the combine for three days in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: you know what, he could go I don't know, mid

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Speaker 1: second round. Why do you suppose there is such a

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Speaker 1: wide range of opinion on his value? What? What is

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Speaker 1: it that some people really liking? Some people was scratching

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Speaker 1: their heads over. Well, that's a great question. The guy,

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Speaker 1: obviously the six six is is the prototypical tackle he bends? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, possibly the fact that old Miss threw the

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Speaker 1: I mean, our offense was kind of a smoking mirrors.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's the slap on him.

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Speaker 1: I have to step behind. There's all these great littles

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Speaker 1: no question about it. One of the questions about great

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Speaker 1: for me, Harry, how did he perform against some of

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Speaker 1: the top SEC pass rushers. Obviously, he's facing the best

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Speaker 1: How did he perform against, you know, the Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: that conference. That's a statue agnosted look up. But I

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Speaker 1: think in three years he gave up less than tim

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Speaker 1: Uh In, You're right, every every week we've got a

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Speaker 1: competition to play against. Well, it does sound like from

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Speaker 1: National Football League and DK DK metcalf Uh it's just

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Speaker 1: you tell us something about him that we can't see,

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Speaker 1: because what we see is a very impressive physical specimen.

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Speaker 1: Well and once again he's a local Oxford, Mississippi kid,

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Speaker 1: great great young man YESTERD. Noser time kid. Dad played

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Speaker 1: Very athletic. Yeah, you're gonna get a guy and will

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Speaker 1: I was in the NFL briefly, but I would hate

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Speaker 1: it's funny watching him on and watching a lot of

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Speaker 1: a feel for the two wide receivers. You know you

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Speaker 1: mentioned not one to meet him going over the middle, right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they didn't send him over the middle

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Speaker 1: of a lot. There was just so many like verticals

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Speaker 1: guys deep, Yes, he did that. Physically he can out

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Speaker 1: was a physical mismatch there. But yeah, he caught it.

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Speaker 1: He caught several slats on that week side coming back

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Speaker 1: he did run a lot of slants. Are absolutely right

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Speaker 1: him at the combine at six three to twenty eight. Harry,

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Speaker 1: what do you think he's gonna play at in in

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Speaker 1: the NFL? He could play at I mean, I asked

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Speaker 1: I mean obviousity, these guys will do their homework because

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Speaker 1: they're investing big. Yes, but is it freshman true freshman

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Speaker 1: But uh, I didn't miss the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think he's injury Parliament. I mean a

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Speaker 1: guy it looks like him, uh, you know, he looks

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Speaker 1: like tars In and he plays like tars And he said,

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Speaker 1: good play like But this guy plays like a J.

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Speaker 1: Brown is not too shabby either, Harry, What what do

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Speaker 1: you like about him as he enters the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: little different guy you know, six foot about two two

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Speaker 1: take uh Sam Donald? With Odell Beckham on the team

428
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Speaker 1: this year with the sixth pick, that's all I've got.

429
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Speaker 1: Take care god, Okay. I would feel much more secure

430
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Speaker 1: about the team's future if they had the quarterback on

431
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: the roster, and as good as Barkley is, I feel

432
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: much more secure about the ultimate future of the franchise

433
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 1: if you have the other quarterback on the roster. I

434
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Speaker 1: believe in Donald more than Paul does, so that's probably

435
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Speaker 1: why I think that way, and I'm going the other way,

436
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Speaker 1: So that's fine. I don't know why. I don't see

437
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Speaker 1: why you would Beckham would have to be involved in

438
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Speaker 1: that though it's because i've Donald doesn't mean I need Beckham. Well,

439
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He wasn't detaching them. He was attaching. I

440
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: don't think you have to, but for his scenario, you

441
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: have to. That's his scenario, so you have to answer

442
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: his question. But my point though, is that I would

443
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Speaker 1: remove Beckham completely, and whether he's here or not, I would.

444
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: He's rather have the guy that I think is going

445
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Speaker 1: to be the next franchise quarterback. And maybe he's not

446
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: gonna be, but I think you will be. So that's it.

447
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: Go on four or five, one, three. I gotta give you.

448
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: I gotta give people some credit. We haven't had a

449
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: lot of rehashing of last year and that decision over

450
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,239
Speaker 1: the past month. Let's not start it now, but I'm

451
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: happy we haven't had a lot of rehashing in that

452
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: decision on something. I'm I'm sorry him. Let's let's go

453
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: to jose or Land though he's up next those day.

454
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Speaker 1: What's going on, buddy? Thanks for taking my call. I

455
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: called yesterday, but I know you guys got an lsure guy,

456
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Speaker 1: and I'm really curious to see what he has to

457
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: say about Devin White Polly. I called yesterday lands cuffy

458
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Speaker 1: off and I didn't have much of a chance. But

459
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Speaker 1: I'll make this really quick and I'll take it off

460
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: the air. Basically one quick thing I want to say,

461
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: I really do hope we go defense with six and seventeen.

462
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't see a quarterback going. I mean it's people

463
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: are screaming about quarterback all this time, and I really

464
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: think you need a defense because they needed one closeout

465
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Speaker 1: games that we couldn't do it yesterday. Another thing that

466
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: people aren't talking about is if you have a really

467
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: good defense, he can flip the field all the time

468
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: and give you off his better opportunity to score. So

469
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Speaker 1: that's just one thing I want to say. The big

470
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Speaker 1: thing I want to go over real quick is there's

471
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Speaker 1: three players that I'm thinking about that are like, uh

472
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: time reward, low risk kind of guys. Two of them

473
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Speaker 1: and injured, So thinking, I'm curious to hear what you

474
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Speaker 1: guys have your taking. This one guy is obviously the

475
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: Simmons guy from Mississippi, from is a Mississippi state, Okay,

476
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: curious to see what you guys think about maybe taking

477
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Speaker 1: a risk on him, maybe like a fourth pick, fourth

478
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Speaker 1: round pick, or fifth round. I want to stop you

479
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: right quick, Simons ain't getting out of the first half

480
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Speaker 1: of the second round, I would be shot. Okay, that's shocked,

481
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Speaker 1: if that's fair, because he's heard right. Another thing also

482
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: is Jalen Ferguson the Louisiana Tech guy. No, he didn't

483
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: have a great combine and stuff like that, but neither

484
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: did the quarterbacks from North Callallina, the state that went

485
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: to Minnesota. He didn't have a great combined and he's

486
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: a decent player. Um. Also my last guy, and this

487
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: is a shot in the dark. He's projected to be

488
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: a really good running back, but maybe to have like

489
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: a one two punch by Alvin Camera and Ingram did

490
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Is Bryce Love. Nobody's talking about him

491
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: and I know he saw his a c L. But

492
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Speaker 1: if we can get him like in the fourth or

493
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Speaker 1: maybe fifth round and he can come back, well that's

494
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: a good player. Alright, guys, I appreciate it. I'm curious

495
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Speaker 1: to see what the ls you guys gonna say about

496
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: Devin White. And thanks for taking my call. Follow thank

497
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Speaker 1: you and have a great day. And we can tease

498
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Speaker 1: that interview accurately since we recorded earlier in the day

499
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Speaker 1: and it is interesting what he says about Devon White.

500
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Speaker 1: But what did he say. You have to stay tuned

501
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: and find out. You know, John, he mentions Ferguson, and

502
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: he scares the hell out of me. You know, I'm

503
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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Here's the thing. I project him as

504
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: a four three defensive end. Okay, that's first, which doesn't

505
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Speaker 1: necessarily fit the Giant scheme the way they're they're trying

506
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: to run put him there and pass our situations. But

507
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: but here's the here's the other problem. Okay, for a

508
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: guy who has put up some numbers and so forth

509
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: and so on, he has a lot of inconsistencies in

510
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: his game, and more than some numbers, by the way,

511
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: historic numbers. Yes, I get it, but he still has inconsistencies.

512
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: And that should not that should not equate. You should

513
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: not be able to say inconsistent with historic numbers in

514
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: the same sentence. Here's my beef. That's puzzling it is,

515
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: and and here's my beef. What do you immediately think?

516
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: You see big time production at a smaller program and

517
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: a smaller conference, right, so your media reaction is, oh,

518
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: he's just eating up kids that aren't athletic, aren't as

519
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: good as he is. Right, he's going against worse competition.

520
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: So what you want to see from a kid like

521
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: that when he shows up in Indianapolis and he goes

522
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Speaker 1: to his pro day, that he shows that his athletic

523
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: testing is in line with that That doesn't have to

524
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: be fantastic, but at least in line with other good

525
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: players at that position. Right his his athletic testing was

526
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: historically bad when it comes to the three cone drill,

527
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: and when it comes to evaluating pass rushers, the three

528
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: cone drill is the most predictive of all the drills.

529
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Speaker 1: It was terrible, epically terrible, and that makes me really,

530
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: really nervous. I would not take him with the Giants

531
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Speaker 1: second round pick. Maybe they would um, but third round pick,

532
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: if he still there, I'll take him. I don't. I

533
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Speaker 1: don't think I would take him at the top of

534
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Speaker 1: the second I was just going to say a third round,

535
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: you probably are okay with taking the gamble on him.

536
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: But as we discussed earlier, and we've said on some

537
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: other shows, and I'm a big stickler for this, the

538
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: higher you are in the draft, the more boxes you

539
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: have to check, and the fewer question marks you're allowed

540
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: to have on your sheet. Well, Ferguson has some questions

541
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: and he's got some unchecked boxes, which means you can't

542
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: really be looking at him high in the second round.

543
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: One other unchecked box, at least for me when it

544
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: comes to him. To Paul, he didn't do anything at

545
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. You know, that's a time for a

546
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: guy from a smaller school to show up and play

547
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: really well against better competition. Yeah, they didn't happen. They

548
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: turned the light on you and you better show off.

549
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: And he was fine. He wasn't bad. But yeah, yeah,

550
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: but again, if suddenly he's there at the end of

551
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: the third round, then you want to take a shot

552
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: at him. Okay, but I'll tell you what, a guy

553
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: with that sheet maybe worth the game, and he ain't

554
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna be there though he's probably hass rushers are valuably

555
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: if he is not a second round pick, I'd be very,

556
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: very surprised. I just wouldn't want to be the team

557
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: to pick him. Question is how high in the second

558
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: round will he be? But I agree with you, I

559
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be there in the third round either. Yeah.

560
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: I think he's probably a guy that will go somewhere

561
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: between fifty and seven, fifty and sixty five, forty five

562
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: and sixty something like that. Yeah. Now, let me just

563
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: say this to the caller. What was his name a

564
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: second ago? Jose, Jose, Jose. Here's here's why I'm with

565
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: you on taking two defensive You know, I guess I

566
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: could take a cover corner at seventeen, but I'd kind

567
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: of still like to get in another rusher if I could.

568
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I like, I like the cornerback fit better in the

569
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: second round than I do with seven. My my issue

570
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: is right now, if you look at the Giants depth chart,

571
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: you Hill, Tomlinson, and Pierre who are tentatively slotted as

572
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: you're starting front three. Okay, your backers would be Martin

573
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: Ogletree Goodson and Carter Macintosh could be in them. Again,

574
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: this is just to starters going into into the draft.

575
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: There's not there's not a lot of quarterback pressures or

576
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: sacks amongst those names. Okay, So if you think just

577
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: one pass rusher who could maybe get ten sacks as

578
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: a rookie is enough to make a difference or a

579
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: dent in what you need in the front seven, you're

580
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: sadly mistaken. You're gonna need another one. I mean, I

581
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: think they hope Marcus Golden probably helps in that regard.

582
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: But I would surprise me if two edge rushers were

583
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: not added to this team in the draft. You know,

584
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: coming off his recent history, you can't count on that.

585
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: And I would imagine if you do, you have two

586
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: in the first four rounds. So yeah, i'd have I look,

587
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: if they think that they can two guys who can

588
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback at six and seventeen, I would

589
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: not object to that at all. I would be fine

590
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: with that too. Okay to one, five, one three, we'll

591
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: have to go through the next caller is pretty quick,

592
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: only about seven minutes or so until we get to

593
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: our next interview. So let's do it. Just make your

594
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: big point, guys, and then you can always call back

595
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: and we can do another one. Let's go to Mike

596
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: in Oakland first. Hey, like, hey, guys, thank hi, comportunity

597
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: to be quick. Um, So you know, I'm fired up

598
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: for the draft, and I would I would be cool if, um,

599
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, two offensive players in the first round or

600
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: maybe uh ed rusher and a right tackle. I'd love

601
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: to get another tackle. But with all the conversation about that,

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, and whether or not we should pick a quarterback. Um.

603
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of talk about Eli, as

604
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: always is. I just wanted to make a point, UM,

605
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: which is that when people talk about Um, you know,

606
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: what do you hi man and can do? What you

607
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: know about him, what you don't know about most quarterbacks

608
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I'm talking about starting quarterbacks as

609
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: well as draft prospects, And if you put a decent

610
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: team around him, he can win you a super Bowl.

611
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: And in fact, he's proven it um twice. And so

612
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: when when I talk to people about that, I hear

613
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: people say and I've read comments and say, oh, well,

614
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: the defense won those super bowls. So I gotta make

615
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: this point. The average NFL defensive rank for a Super

616
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Bowl champion at six point eight. So that's about seven

617
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: right the Patriots or the gold standard in this day

618
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: and age with uh, you know, free agency and and

619
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the NFL draft is um four point two and all

620
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: the ones they won. So you know, Tom Brady is

621
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: playing with generally great defenses and he never went top

622
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: ten defense. So Eli's two defenses two thousand and eleven

623
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: twenty five ranked defense to two thousand and seven seventeen

624
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: ranked defense so I just want to say, like, you know,

625
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: we can win him. And if you're gonna compare him

626
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: against the gold standard, Uli has done it with way

627
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: worse defenses behind him than Brady. Better appreciate the call.

628
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I will say this and my thanks to the call.

629
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Hum the the two thousand seven defense

630
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: was much better than seventeen. By the end of the year,

631
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: they were a top five level defense. And you saw

632
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: it in two thousand and eight when they wore a

633
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: top five defense. In two thousand and eleven, Eli Manny

634
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: won that Super Bowl. He got them there. It was

635
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: all about the offense in the passing game, and he

636
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: was had one of the best quarterback seasons I've ever

637
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: seen in twenty eleven. Now, I think it's also fair

638
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: to say he's not the same quarterback in that he

639
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: wasn't twenty eleven. It's a long time between now and then. Sure,

640
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: and that's all at to what he said. That's it.

641
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Next caller, good Yeah, Charlie in Portland, Maine, Charlie, Hey, guys,

642
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie, Hey, I got three things. I'll do

643
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: it quick. One thing is that, well, I guess we're

644
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna trade Shepard because we just signed them, so that

645
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: looks like that's going to happen. You're an idiot, Charlie,

646
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: very first of all. First of all, just to clarify,

647
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: he has not signed anything yet, and I know they're

648
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: hoping to close in on it, but it isn't officially

649
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: signed yet, just so you know. And how come we

650
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's been over thirty Alliance football player is

651
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: sign and we haven't signed one of them yet. No, no, no, no, no, Charlie,

652
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: he signed the corner this morning. To pay attention, did

653
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: and I signed the corner and I will give you

654
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: the details on that right now, Charlie, as I try

655
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: to scroll through my timeline and tell you a little

656
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: about the player. But the Giants, I'm sorry, No, it

657
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: was not Will Hill. The Giants signed defensive back Henry Tolliver,

658
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: who played um in the a F this year and

659
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: spent the time with the Indianapolis close before. And so

660
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: they did sign a defensive back from the a F.

661
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: So hopefully that makes you very happy. And and just

662
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: just to be aware, he is a six ft corner,

663
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: came in at a hundred and eight eight pounds when

664
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: he was at the combine although, well, let me ask

665
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: you what year was it to combine. Let me ask

666
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: you that question. Uh, the page that I just called

667
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: up does not have his age would say the year,

668
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: but but I can't tell you. He was out of

669
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Arkansas six hundred and eighty eight pounds. The bad news

670
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: was his forty yard dash was four six three, which

671
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: is a tad slow, but he was. He was great

672
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: at the time as someone who was a possible make

673
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: it grade out of camp. Here you go, hey, one

674
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: more thing and call it good. Um, they should extend elive.

675
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: And this is my reasons for that, um, because it

676
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: will really help us on the money that we have

677
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: now and next year we're gonna have anywhere between seventy

678
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: five and a hundred thousand dollars under the cap by

679
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: different people saying what we should have. And even if

680
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: you give Eli ten thousand million dollars I mean million dollars,

681
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: if you give him a ten million dollar goodbye gift,

682
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: if we decided not to keep him into twenty, I

683
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: think that would be more than fine. And that would

684
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: be the only bablically dead money. Here's my question for you, though,

685
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: and and and thanks for the call. I appreciate it.

686
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: To me, it just doesn't makes sense. When the free

687
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: agent frenzy this year is over, you're not sure you

688
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: don't need to create more cap space this year, why

689
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: would you extend him now which would lower the capit

690
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: this year rather than just work on a year to

691
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: year basis. If you're not if you don't need the

692
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: cap money this year, why would you do an extension

693
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: now if you wanted to do it back in February

694
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: to free up cap space for this offseason. I get it,

695
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: that makes sense cool, but I don't see the point

696
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: in doing it now. Well, unless something happens where somebody

697
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: pops free and all of a sudden they need money,

698
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: right if they need the cap space, I get it,

699
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: But you just don't do it do it? No, I

700
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: understand that. Again, as I've said all along, I would

701
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: not rule out the possibility that Eli gets an extension

702
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: for I've actually said that since last season. But again,

703
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about it because it helps the cap situation.

704
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: It helps the cap situation, and I also believe physically

705
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: he's capable of handling it. At least he year is today.

706
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: And John Marrat did say at the owners meetings that

707
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I think they're looking at the quarterback position on a

708
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: year to your basis, that's nastally correct. I mean, look,

709
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: he's still got a full nineteen season to get through.

710
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, if he gets sacked another forty

711
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: something times, maybe he physically won't be capable of coming

712
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: back for another year. He's not a guy that, if

713
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: he has free agency, are worried about him flying the

714
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: coupe if the Giants want him to stay, if it's

715
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: something he'll stay at. The Giants want him, and he

716
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: wants to be here, so he's got to be physically capable.

717
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: That's all I was doing. The final call the show

718
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: is Lennon Columbia Merland. Hello. Len. Always an honor to

719
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: follow and a privilege to follow Charlie. So here I am. Well,

720
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: anybody that follows Charlie automatic looks really good. So I

721
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: don't blame men. Take Okay, hey, a couple of quick

722
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: questions on the draft. But let me let me just

723
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: say on the young man that they just signed to,

724
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: that cornerback that you were talking to, Charlie. You know,

725
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: it brings up something in my mind here. There's there's

726
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: always a reason why these guys haven't been on a

727
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: fifty three and running uh four six three forty is

728
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: a good reason for a quarterback and not to have

729
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: been on a roster that's. Um, that's that is trouble.

730
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's that's that's really slow for

731
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: a cornerback. And let me ask you a question about

732
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: the draft, um quick, and I can take these off

733
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the air if you want. Um, how how unrealistic? Given

734
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: what what? How Paul summed up the front three earlier

735
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: in your show today? How there there there are a

736
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: lot of whole It's not just in the front three,

737
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: but around the roster. How unrealistic is it to think

738
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: if we don't draft the quarterback and we count bal,

739
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: that we come away counting Bal, we come away with

740
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: five day one starters. I think you're asking a lot

741
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: for five day one starters with this roster. John, It's

742
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: very rare that fourth and fifth round picks coming and

743
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: starting day one in this LAS, you don't have to

744
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: go past to get the five account beal, you know? Bill?

745
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I mean it's possible. And here here's here.

746
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't consider starters starters anymore because the game is

747
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: different with all the sub pockages and the number of

748
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: snaps that by plays. What I have said in its

749
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: funny before you got to the lunch table yesterday, John,

750
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I was telling the guys at the table, the Giants

751
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: need to come away with four solid defensive contributors out

752
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: of this rookie class, and I'm counting Bale as one

753
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: of them. So that means he's got to come up

754
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: with three in the first four rounds of the draft.

755
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a stress. I think that because

756
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: he did it last year. You know he can't well,

757
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, Bartley was on offense, so I take that back,

758
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: but you know he really came up. Yeah, I don't

759
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: think that's a reach to say he's got to get

760
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: three immediate guys who can play significant snaps on defense,

761
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: and Bill would be the fourth. I don't think that's

762
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: a reach. Okay, let me let me say one of

763
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: the things. I'm gonna keep my fingers crossing, and I'm

764
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: gonna hope that it that it turns out, you know,

765
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: it turns out to be five. Let me let me

766
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: ask you a question about Bill, and I don't know

767
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: if you can answer this now or we need to

768
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: wait until next week when these guys report and they

769
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: get you know, a ficial Monday, come in Monday weight on.

770
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I haven't seen him around. And

771
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: and then thanks for the call. He has somebody that

772
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that you thank you that he is slender and it's

773
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. But I've not uh

774
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: seen him here yet, so I can't speak to that

775
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: well no more on Monday when they show for them

776
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: when they left at the end of the season, that's

777
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: the last time we've seen him. I will say this though, Uh,

778
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's long, he's lean. Um, how much weight

779
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: would you want to put on? That might hurt his flexibility,

780
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: athleticism and speed. To me, he's a really good cover corner.

781
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily want him to get

782
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: much every yer, No, absolutely, all right, I promised the

783
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: request line here comes all right. So we had two

784
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: requests for wide receivers in a comparison, Paul You and

785
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: David Sills from West Virginia, who's kind of a big

786
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: to me possession receiver. He does get some separation over

787
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the top. He catches some jump balls and our Twitter

788
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to find the name of it I'll

789
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: try to get that name for you and give you

790
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: the shout out he wants us to compare him to J.

791
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: J R. Sega Whiteside from Stanford. I like Whiteside better.

792
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: I think he's more sudden and quicker coming out of

793
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: his brakes. I think he has better hands, and I

794
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: think he's actually a better post up player than Sills

795
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: is Um and I just think he's a better all

796
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: around wide receiver, while Sills is more of your possession

797
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: type that can get behind you Um on the defensive side,

798
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure he can do it at the

799
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: pro level with his uh ar running speed. So I

800
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: think J. G. R. Sega Whiteside at the Stanford I

801
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: take him over the six three two a pound David Sills.

802
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: I think Whiteside is a late round two player. I

803
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: think David Sills is around four player. I was just

804
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna say the same thing two and four and we

805
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: did not discuss that at all. But he did not

806
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: discuss this, not at all. I don't think there's any

807
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: question that Whiteside is a much higher rated problem now.

808
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: At the same token, he'd be a good fit here, Paul,

809
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think so is isn't necessarily a bad

810
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: fit here even though, but again we're talking third day

811
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: and for Sills, yes, yes, and so for me it

812
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: comes down to fit and value. Uh, there's no doubt

813
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: as to which player carries more value. But where you

814
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: pick him, you know someone might actually get a quote

815
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: steel in Sills. I don't think you're getting a steel

816
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: in Whiteside. He's gonna he's gonna go where he's probably rated.

817
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: I agree, he's so good in the red zone. He

818
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: played a little bit of the slot. He played outside primarily,

819
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I think he's at the set of route runner, good running,

820
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: and he does. He's not gonna run after the catch,

821
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: but that's fine, David Sills. That had some drops. Um

822
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: doesn't get great separation, not really sudden or shifty, okay,

823
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: route runner? Yeah, So I yeah, I agree. I don't

824
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: think I could rationalized picking Whiteside with the giants second

825
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: round pick, and I even not believe he'll be there

826
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: with the third round pick. So I'm not sure they're

827
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna have the opportunity to pick him, make sense. But

828
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: I think they might have the opportunity to pick Hills

829
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: somewhere in round four, round five, depending on when he's

830
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: available when the Giants life to clean out up just

831
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: a tag go ahead. I'd be shocked if the Giants

832
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: take a receiver in any of the first three rounds.

833
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: To me, I'm not even thinking about a receiver till

834
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: I get to the third day, and even then I'm

835
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: not so sure what round I'm gonna do it in.

836
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: It might not even be the fifth or sixth round. John,

837
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: to be perfectly frank with you, they've got a lot

838
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: of other needs and there's a lot more value. I

839
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: think it's some of these other spots where they really

840
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: got to feel spots. I don't think there's much difference

841
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: between the wide receiver you are getting in round two

842
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver you are getting early in the

843
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: fourth round. Certainly think they're similar, and I don't think

844
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of difference between the guys in rounds

845
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: three to five or maybe even six. I think there's

846
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: a drop off in round ton around one hundred or one.

847
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: And then let's let's let's not forget this. You'll get

848
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: more of undrafted rookie free agent wide receivers who make

849
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: rosters than any other position in the league. It's actually

850
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: one of the more it's one of the tougher positions

851
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: to actually figure how they're gonna transfer from college to

852
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the pro. So while you might have more bus, you

853
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: might have some more guys to where teams might not

854
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: know how they're gonna do, so they don't pick him

855
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: into the wall, and a sudden you get Victor Cruz.

856
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Speaker 1: The second walking onto to the field of Training Camp

857
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Speaker 1: Baby Go five is presented by Corps Light. Download the

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859
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Speaker 1: now it's time for our next guest. We're joined by

860
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Gordy Rush. He covers LS You a former defensive back

861
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: and he's a sideline reporter. Gordy Rush, you got Johns

862
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: Malcolm Polatino who are at the Giants facility in East Weatherford,

863
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: New Jersey. How you doing today? I'm doing all right now.

864
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you guys. I mean you'll trade away

865
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: LSU players, don maybe some guys potentially going to the

866
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Giant Yeah, and you had Ruben Randall out the door

867
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: a few years ago too, so you're right about that.

868
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: But there is an opportunity for at least one LSU player,

869
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: maybe two who knows to go to the Giants in

870
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: the first round, and I guess we'll start there. And

871
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to get your take on Devin

872
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: White because in person, you look at him and he

873
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: looks like an NFL linebacker. You know, You've got a

874
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: lot of these other guys and like a Devin Bush,

875
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: he looks like a safety, right, but he's playing linebacker.

876
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: Devin White looks like an NFL linebacker, and he plays

877
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: like an NFL linebacker with all his trade size, speed

878
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: and things like that. Gordy, when you watch him during

879
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: games on film, what are some of his greatest strengths

880
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: and why do you think his game will translate well

881
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: to the NFL. So let's started on the field. And

882
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: so to understand Devin White, you've got to understanding with

883
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: the small high school in spring Uh spring Hill, Louisiana

884
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: up on Arkansas border. He played both ways in high school.

885
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: He was a running back at that side, two five

886
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: pounds and and so you have that sort of elite

887
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: athletic ability. Um his side to side movement and his

888
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, closing speed for a middle linebacker is incredible.

889
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: He's instinctive, he's fundamentally sound. He's been taught by one

890
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: of the best defensive coordinators in college football at Dave Randa,

891
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: and and then the intellect that he brings to the field.

892
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: It was incredible. Dave Randa is known for, you know,

893
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin and his stops being pretty fundamentally sound. He's

894
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: run basically three or four defensive he did its first

895
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: year at l s U. Probably got it up to six.

896
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Last year, put the full package in similar to what

897
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: he did in Wisconsin. Ran forty different sets, and that's

898
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: because the Deaf and White's ability to get him lined

899
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: up and get the matchups. The matchups that Dave Randa

900
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: won it so off the charts. He's a three down

901
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: the linebacker. He's great and pass coverage obviously you've seen

902
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: in his forties. Speed off the field, he's even better.

903
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: He is the leader. Didn't have to play that bowl

904
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: game against Central Florida, didn't want to end that way

905
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: and decided to go play and basically had two huge

906
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: plays that that really opened up that game for L

907
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: s U. Uh. He's a top five pick in my book,

908
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: no doubt. Gordy, I gotta ask you about something. I

909
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: want to back track just a moment you mentioned coverage.

910
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: We had a long time former Super Bowl scout at

911
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: the combine who was an L s U alum who

912
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: absolutely adores the Tigers and keeps track of all their

913
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: guys NonStop. Brian brought us you might know him, okay.

914
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: He told us flat out, Devin White is a two

915
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: down linebacker in the pros because his coverage skills, his

916
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: ability to turn and back pedal and to be able

917
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: to cover somebody downfield in the NFL is a huge

918
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: question mark. And he did not see him as a

919
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: three down backer. I'm curious as to are you are

920
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: you more making a projection as to him being the

921
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: three down backer in the pros or is it something

922
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: that you really physically see and believe in. So we're

923
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: talking about Brian browness, correct? Is that right? With the

924
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Um, Here's here's what I think Brian doesn't see,

925
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: is that White at this time rather was our edge rusher. First.

926
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna be an eme you'll hear from UH. He

927
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: was a red shirt freshman and excuse me, a second

928
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: year player blues me. On the opening game against Miami,

929
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: L s U struggled to get pass. UH struggled to

930
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: get um pass rush. Because of that, White more times

931
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: than night was was the blitzer. And so what Dave

932
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: Adreanda did, he was gonna find out who your weakest

933
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: guy wasn't and said his best guy prob a. LSU

934
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: had no edge for players, and so they wind up

935
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: getting the safety Jacoby Stephens a strong safety kick get

936
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: him down, said edge, and Gavin White was blitzing a

937
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: whole lot, so a lot of past situations he didn't

938
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: play coverage. Now now, Piqu's obviously studied more film broadness

939
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: has than I have in terms of projecting on the

940
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: next level. But are you talking about a guy at

941
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: four or four he's got great lateral quickness, and you know,

942
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: because of what he was asked to do at L

943
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: s U. I don't know that there's that big example.

944
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: But I disagree with him. I don't think he comes

945
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: off the field on third day. And that's just my opinion. No, hey,

946
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's fair enough. And and obviously the way a

947
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: player is deployed in college is going to cause a

948
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: lot of gray area and difficulties in making a projection

949
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: once he gets to the NFL. So it's it's certainly

950
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: a fair debate. I don't think there's any questions. Yeahs, Gordy,

951
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm with you. When you don't, I'm sorry. Go ahead,

952
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: guys running four four. If you watch him sideline and

953
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: tide like he has all the quickness, he just hasn't

954
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: been asked to do it. And and you know, I

955
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: go back and go go look at some of the

956
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, some of the some of the plays that

957
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: he made in space, you know, in terms of interceptions

958
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: and started in terms of stripping the people, you know,

959
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: stripping the football from people to catch the balls. I

960
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: just again, my thoughts and and you know, I've been

961
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: reviewing this film. My thoughts. He hasn't been asked to it.

962
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: And you know, and I think we'll get to a

963
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: little bit later because you guys Foster Morrows that try

964
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: to end up sleeper board, we'll talk about the same

965
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You know. It's Gordy, it's funny. And

966
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: I probably watched around six there seven games of White

967
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: this year and I'm waiting at I'm looking at the tape.

968
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the tape. I'm like, they just don't

969
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: ask him to cover anybody. So I understand why why

970
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: somebody would say, well, I'm not sure if he can cover. Well, yeah,

971
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure either because they haven't asked him to

972
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: do it. But if you look at his traits and

973
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the way he can change direction and the way he

974
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: can run, I'm with you. I think you can project

975
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: that if he gets coached right and he gets put

976
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: in the situation, he can do it. But it is

977
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: a projection. But the one thing I do love what

978
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: let me add also quickly, dabor and to look to

979
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: play nickel and dime. You saw a lot of poor

980
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver sets and so it was too short and

981
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: safety is great. Delt that you hear about next year.

982
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: And then Jacobe Stevens, who I think to two years away.

983
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Actually he's a year away too, possibly coming out. These

984
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: guys are are top first two days, how deltas the

985
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: first rounder. And so when you put six of those

986
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: guys on the field, how much coverage did you really

987
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: want Devin White to do? I mean, right, DBU, for

988
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: a reason they're locking down. They got nickels and dimes

989
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: and corners galore. Oh, he was. He was the guy.

990
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: He stayed on the field and got everybody lined U.

991
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: He was he was coming. My my, my final one

992
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: for you on White and I'll make it a two

993
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: part question. One thing that I really like that he

994
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: does in one thing that maybe I think he can

995
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit better at. The one thing I

996
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: love that what he does because that I think you

997
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: don't see linebackers doing much anymore. He embraces getting blocked

998
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: by an offensive lineman and being able to separate from him.

999
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, some of these guys run away from the

1000
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: polling guard and stuff like that. He'll engage him and

1001
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: separate and s don't make a play. The one thing

1002
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: I think maybe he could do a little bit better, Gordy,

1003
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your take on both of them,

1004
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: is I think his sideline the sideline speed is so good,

1005
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: and he's so aggressive and so excited to make the tackle.

1006
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes he can get almost a little

1007
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: bit out in front of himself and lose a little

1008
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: bit of control and and maybe overrun play sometimes. What

1009
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: do you think about those two things? That's some of it,

1010
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There's no question and being

1011
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: able to break down in and over pursuing. But he's

1012
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: gonna he's got that motor, he's gonna play with it.

1013
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: I think that's a good observation. You know. On the

1014
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: other side, guys, you'll need to get put on the

1015
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: what the citrus ball from two years ago when they

1016
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: played not youre name? Go look at the tight shots

1017
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: of he and Nelson and who's the other kid mcclinchy

1018
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: that got you talk about a war and looked both

1019
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: of them, gaveson Wis and took some wings. There's no

1020
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: doubt he's going to engage. I mean, he's a physical

1021
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: football player. Let me ask you about Greedy Williams because

1022
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: the upside on him is through the roof. I mean

1023
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: a corner who's got that kind of athleticism as well

1024
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: as length and height. I mean, there is so much

1025
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: you could see this guy doing once he gets to

1026
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. Could you talk a bit about his development

1027
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: and what is he going to have to polish up

1028
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: as he tries to get into the pros. So a

1029
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: two star corner right that it came out of two

1030
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: star recruit rather and came out on Louisiana at three

1031
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: port um long, really athletic um what I what I'll

1032
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: tell you about him? His coverage skills were are lights

1033
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: out in terms of his instincts and he's just got

1034
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: that length that you wanted to put out there on

1035
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: the edge with those big receivers. Now today, um, I wasn't.

1036
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: I think he's okay in zone. I think he's better

1037
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: a man and you know, and a lot of the

1038
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: scouts you want to know about his desire to come

1039
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: and lay a lick, and you know he's not above

1040
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: average tackler. So I think it depends what your your

1041
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: scheme this. You know, you know, what are you gonna do?

1042
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: How much soon are you're gonna play? The capable of plans? Yeah,

1043
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: because you have these good instincts, and so he does

1044
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: where he's excels at his man and man coverage. He's

1045
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: just really, really smooth. He's got good instincts and he's

1046
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: got good ball skills. Yeah, Gordy, I saw exactly what

1047
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: you saw on tape. And I think the one thing

1048
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: I want to kind of get a little deeper in

1049
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: is the physicality of the position, because you're right, he

1050
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: mirrors and coverage great at the line of scrimmage. It's

1051
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: weird he plays pressed, but I don't I don't really

1052
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: see him get his hands on the guy at the

1053
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: lenis is as much as I think he should playing

1054
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: that press and then the tackling part of it. He

1055
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of when the Giants had Domini, Rodgers,

1056
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Camardy here and in his final couple of years. And

1057
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: I understand if like a thirty two thirty three year old, right,

1058
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to go and you know, try to

1059
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: plow people up in the running game. But I saw

1060
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: him going for ankles a lot, you know, kind of

1061
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: ducking his head and diving in legs. But then other

1062
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: people have told me in two thousands seventeen he was

1063
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: a better tackler than he was in two thousand and eighteen.

1064
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: Do you think that's true? Yeah, back calf for two

1065
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, you know he uh yeah, if he

1066
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: had a better half of front half of the eighteen

1067
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: and he did and yeah, and so there's been that talk,

1068
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: and obviously he elected not to play in the Bowl game.

1069
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I think that he has a little bit

1070
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: more capability that he showed in two thousand eighteen, but

1071
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: he's not he's not an elite tackler or by any

1072
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: means of it in terms of press coverage. Um, you know,

1073
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: the teacher, everybody teaches a little bit different style right.

1074
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: Corey him in who I played with his coach at LSU,

1075
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: likes more of just one stiff in in bale and

1076
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: getting out of there, and so doesn't need to be

1077
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: a little bit more physical potentially. You know, I think

1078
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: it's what what are the Giants gonna teach it? They

1079
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: wanted to play in him? You know, I don't um

1080
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't understand. I've heard a lot

1081
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: that he's sliding a little bit. You know, big, big

1082
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: Paul corners are tough to come by in the league.

1083
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a it's about a fit.

1084
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: I realized there's a strong defensive line class, and obviously

1085
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: people are going to play the quarterbacks things of that nature.

1086
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: But he's a first round talent. In my mind, he

1087
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: pes the second, he tis the second. Yeah, I would

1088
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: say he's definitely someone that the Giants would think about

1089
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: at seventeen when they get their second first round pick.

1090
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: We'll see if they go in that direction. You mentioned

1091
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: Gordy at the beginning. When he came in, he was

1092
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: a two star recruit, so I'm kind of curious what

1093
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: was the the impetus for him to becoming such a

1094
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: legit prospect. Now over the course of those years, because

1095
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: there must have been something that that kind of sparked

1096
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: him that made him suddenly become what a great prospect

1097
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: he now is. Here was a late bloomer. He came

1098
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: from Calvary Baptist. Ironically, that's where Doug Peterson was a

1099
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: high school up in Street Court, and it was played

1100
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: both sides of the football smaller classification. And so I

1101
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of people struggled the peg, you know,

1102
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: where where he was going to play. And and um,

1103
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: and they run that you know, wide open. Uh, you know,

1104
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: wide open are a type offense, and and so it's

1105
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: hard really to get a read on and and um,

1106
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of missed l s U

1107
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: went up there and and and I had some some

1108
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: folks that had played up there, Jacob Hess and the

1109
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: former NFL running back his brother was off staff. And

1110
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: then they felt like Corey Raymond felt like he got

1111
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, founded that diamond and the rup and for

1112
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: his first day on campus, Uh, in terms of his

1113
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: man and man's skills, he just took off. And um,

1114
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, it was just one of those things that

1115
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: because he didn't play big ball, kind of got passed

1116
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: over by some people. As soon as he stepped on campus.

1117
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: He made an impact. I'm gonna jump to force him.

1118
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Are over very quickly. Here go back to the offensive

1119
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball. And look, I'm not telling anything

1120
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: you don't already know. Gordy Elis. He is not exactly

1121
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: known as a high flying passing program where you're gonna

1122
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: check it up times a game. Uh. But he's six

1123
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: for he's two fifty. We know he can block on

1124
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: the run game. And you looked at his numbers at

1125
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: the combine and you say, well, maybe the way L.

1126
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: S U plays is hiding some of that ability as

1127
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. How do you see him as a

1128
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: receiver if he's giving more of an opportunity to run

1129
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: some routes and catch the football. So let me tell

1130
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: you the book on morow because I think he's one

1131
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: of the best kept secrets in this trap. Uh. He

1132
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: went to my high school and so actually, you know,

1133
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I knew the parents and would have you, But um L.

1134
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: S U. They signed him, and they offered him on

1135
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: national signing date. He was gonna after somebody told him no.

1136
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: He waited. He was there last selection. Cam Cameron, who

1137
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: was offensive coordinator went down there with Frank Wilson recruiter

1138
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: to go see him play basketball. He was an All

1139
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: City basketball player and Cam Cameron they fell in love

1140
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: with him. And the first thing came out of Cam

1141
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: Cameron's mouth was touched. And to understand Fostermorrow, he's a

1142
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: much better athlete than the way he was utilized at

1143
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: l s U. Problem with l s U, especially this year,

1144
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: they had two new offensive tackles that quarterbacks were beat up.

1145
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: And with Jerry Sullivan, the former NFL assistant was there

1146
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: as a passing game coordinator, they ran a lot of

1147
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: pro style stuff and and so they were in NAX

1148
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: protech a ton. It wasn't until the last three games

1149
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: in which uh they were struggling with in the past

1150
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: game so to run some more RPOs and do some

1151
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: things that Joe Burrow, that l s U quarterback did

1152
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: at Ohio State in the last three games Rice Texas

1153
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: and him in Central Florida. If you go look at

1154
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: the statue of that they threw the ball tomorrow more

1155
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: Row is more than capable of being and every down

1156
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: NFL tight end, you're gonna flex him out in the NFL.

1157
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: And one of those things I think every once in

1158
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: a while. But he's a much better pass receiver and

1159
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: a much better athlete than what he showed at L

1160
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: s U simply because he didn't have the opportunity to do. So.

1161
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: My favorite tape, I'll go back, because you know the

1162
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: the NFL network and when they run all that stuff,

1163
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: they showed Miles Garrett from two years ago in his

1164
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: highlight and they showed the one highlight that he actually

1165
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: made a play as L s U Texas A and M.

1166
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: When I tell you that Foster Morrow is a sophomore kick,

1167
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett's ass up and down Kyle Field up and

1168
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Dale College Field was remarkable. Grinder. He's a kid that

1169
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: plays with a chip. He would fit the New York Giants.

1170
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean like a glove. I mean he's and he's

1171
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: he's a better athlete. What year, Gordy was that matchup?

1172
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: I want to go back and watch that tape now,

1173
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: so to this, so we played them, do let's see

1174
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: eight teams games. It was the interim. It was thirty

1175
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: nine game that L s U one down their heads

1176
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: last interim and Miles Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett was was

1177
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: my mom's Garrett was waiting for the NFL Draft. I

1178
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: just laughed. Of course, the NFL network showed one play.

1179
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: I sat there, he was talking, smacked the moms, Garrett.

1180
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: They were kicking his butt, Miles garretting while playing the

1181
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: football game. That's one heck of an endorsement. Uh goredy I.

1182
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that you could say anything else that

1183
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: would make us have a better picture of what this

1184
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: guy is all about. I'm curious though, the one thing

1185
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: about tight ends, they seemed to have gone in ebbs

1186
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: and waves because we had the guys who were all

1187
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: around years ago, then we had the receiving guys. Now,

1188
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: it sounds to me like as we were preparing for

1189
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: this draft, there was some more physical guys, more one

1190
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: blockers than I seemed to ever over the last five

1191
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: or six years coming out in this draft. I happen

1192
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: to love that because I'm an old school guy and

1193
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I want my tight ends to be able to chew nails. Um,

1194
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what what is your perspective as a guy

1195
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: who played college ball and and knows very much about

1196
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: the mentality of what the different positions are. Why, why

1197
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: do you think that is all of a sudden yeah,

1198
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot more people are running eleven personnel

1199
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of these spread people realizing they got

1200
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: around the football what it was. I saw some program

1201
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: out here Holderson was on with Gundy and and uh

1202
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: Gazia from Boston College, and even you know, even guys

1203
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: like Holderson realized at some point we got we gotta

1204
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: run the ball. And having that h Vack fight in

1205
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: that fits into their offense is a little bit different

1206
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: than what you know then what the tight ends where

1207
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: where the past catching types. So I think you see

1208
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: them looking for more of those hybrids. And Fostermorrow truly

1209
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: is that type of hybrid. He would have he could

1210
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: have fit in that knowles, you just still and then

1211
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: the L s US switched offenses. They took Joe Brady,

1212
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Shaun Pay's assistant, and so they were running the Saints

1213
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: offense now, so we won't see hopefully we'll see some

1214
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: decent numbers out of the L s U offensively, But

1215
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: going going back to to that, Foster could have easily

1216
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: played for a West Virginia or Mike Gundy, and that's

1217
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: sort of eleven personnel and you know, on a wing

1218
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. They just asked me would be

1219
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: a grinding more times than not, and he had to

1220
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: stay in past protect because the right tackle was shut

1221
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: on the ship, Gordy, can you give me a little

1222
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: thumbnaw on the other three position prospects that are coming

1223
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: out of LSU. Got Nick Brissett at Alexander and John Battle.

1224
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: So I mean Battle is a good center fielder um

1225
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: his forties. Having having impressed he's a smart football player. Um,

1226
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: he is somebody if you're gonna play a lot of

1227
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: his own concepts, you do not want to put him

1228
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: a band coverage. I think he's got some limitations to

1229
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: a good special teams player, but I think it's got

1230
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: to be the right fit for him to go. Um

1231
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: at Alexander um has never reached. I think his potential

1232
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: at l s U. He's a big body that can

1233
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: play in a three four or four or three. I

1234
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: think he had debts. Uh Procett has unbelievable character, right

1235
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: and it was a one year starter at l s

1236
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: U obviously because he was behind for net and guys

1237
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: stuck it out. Had a thousand yard season. Um. Great,

1238
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, smart kid. Great in past past protection. It

1239
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: doesn't have necessarily breakaway speed and they have you run

1240
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: four high four six here at L s U during

1241
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: pro Day? I know what what you know? I doesn't

1242
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: have elite speed is what I'm getting at. So I

1243
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: think these guys are third day selections or potential free agency. Um.

1244
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: You know of the group, you know if you asked

1245
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: me that that one would stick. I think Alexander could

1246
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: give your reps or could stick as as a backup

1247
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: type of you know, backup type of defensive linement. Final

1248
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: question for me, Gordy before we let you go, non

1249
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: L s U player from the conference that you were

1250
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: able to watch this year, who's going into the draft?

1251
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: Who would your favorite guy be? Coot and Williams gott blessed?

1252
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: Thank god? That kid is uh. I mean that kid

1253
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: is really special. I'd go around the conference. Man Sternberger,

1254
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: I thought was really impressive with the way he and

1255
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: m Us did. Somebody you know that's looking for a

1256
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: past happy tight end. He's not much in line, but

1257
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: I thought he was one. But I mean from the

1258
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: Williams absolutely absolutely, he jumped off the h off the

1259
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: of course, off the charts. And then I'd say, er

1260
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: Smith Jr. Two as well, he's a he's another tight

1261
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: end again. Okay, in line, he's not more eally in line,

1262
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: but he's a fantastic past receiver. Gordy, we really appreciate

1263
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: the time this morning. Have a safe flight and we'll

1264
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: talk to you next year as we get ready for

1265
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: another NFL draft. Right, Okay, that's Gordy Rush, sideline reporter,

1266
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: former defensive act for l s U. So what's your

1267
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: thing on Devin White? After hearing from Gordon, Gordy played

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Speaker 1: the game okay, and by the way, he was honest

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Speaker 1: with strengths and weaknesses for roles. Guys. Yeah, so um,

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Speaker 1: I get the fact that he believes he'll be able

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Speaker 1: to do it at the NFL level. The problem that

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Speaker 1: I have is that Brian, as a longtime scout, is

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Speaker 1: more responsible for the projections and and and the projection itself.

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Speaker 1: It's gray area, but it's a talent and it does

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Speaker 1: take a lot of experience to be able to make

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Speaker 1: the projection. And it is more about just speeding athleticism

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Speaker 1: to be a good coverage place it is it is.

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Speaker 1: It's about recognition. Uh, it's about being able to adapt

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Speaker 1: to the plays that's happening, body control things like that.

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Speaker 1: There really is so so I appreciate Gordy sent him,

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Speaker 1: and I absolutely appreciate his eyewitness account of what the

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Speaker 1: player's skill set is. The projection is where I'm still

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Speaker 1: getting a little bit lost. And he did admit that

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Speaker 1: it's a projection, that they didn't ask him to do

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Speaker 1: it much, and I'll tell you I was honest with him.

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Speaker 1: I went back and I watched a lot of Devin

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Speaker 1: and White trying to find because I thought the stuff

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Speaker 1: that brought us told us that the Senior Bowl is

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Speaker 1: really interesting, and I'm like, I want to go see

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Speaker 1: this for myself. There's just not a lot of coverage there.

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Speaker 1: They don't ask him to do it. So here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: It is projection. Then here's the problem when you're drafting

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Speaker 1: a guy top five, top ten and you have a

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Speaker 1: big empty box that says projection because we're not sure

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Speaker 1: that tends to drop the guy something. Because if you're

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Speaker 1: picking him that high, the boxes have to have checks

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Speaker 1: on them right down the board. You can't have an

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Speaker 1: empty box that says we don't know. And you know,

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Speaker 1: going into this interview, by the way, that I was

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Speaker 1: a four number roll guy, I like him even more now.

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Speaker 1: Oh I know Day three signed me. Good stuff off.

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll be back tomorrow with another episode of

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off live right here on giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: For Paul Detino, I'm Johnhm. Well, thank you to our

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Speaker 1: two guests. You just heard from Gordy Rush who covers

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Speaker 1: L s U. And thank you also to Harry Harrison

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Speaker 1: who covers Ole Miss. We'll see tomorrow everybody. Audios